1:01 Electra Heart is Marina’s best album 5:59 Imagine Dragons aren’t THAT bad 9:00 new Disney girls’ careers > old Disney girls’ 14:03 Houdini is the best dance pop song EVER 15:48 most celeb memories are fictionalized 18:44 stop showing the audience at award shows!! 20:28 calling bad songs “Empire Music” etc. 23:31 ‘Love is Wicked’ shoulda done Despacito numbers 25:13 USA music industry rising while film is declining 28:38 country music did not take off this year yall 33:37 Zendaya is not a great actress
Definitely agree about Electea Heart, and I think most of the big Disney girls have great careers, but Olivia's the only one who got to make her kind of music from the get-go, so she had the advantage. And the USA film vs music opinion is FOR SURE a hot take.
I think it's really weird to compare "new girlies" to "old girlies" because we don't have hindsight on the new girls. You won't know how well the new girls will do because they haven't had their full careers yet. I think that people who feel that way are just excited because it's new to them and they're swept up in the feelings of it all.
The way the VMAs basically almost missed broadcasting the Christina and Madonna kiss cause they were so focused on Justin Timberlake’s reaction to the Britney kiss is case and point for me-i didn’t care for this man’s reaction, just broadcast the show.
19:10 this reminds me of Tyla dancing during an award show and stopping when she realized she was on camera. People were joking it was because she’s trying to get a Minaj feature and was dancing to Meg the Stallion, but I think it’s just anxiety. When your every public action is scrutinized and you’re famous for entertaining, it must be stressful to dance uninhibited when you’re feeling the music and then noticing you’re randomly being broadcasted to millions of people. The internet will tear you down over nothing
Someone who is unexpectedly good at voice acting is Nicki Minaj. I’m still in awe of what she did on Steven Universe. I wish we got more moments of that 😂
The best way for me to describe it is Imagine Dragons sounds like stadium music. Like they always sound like their music was made for commercials about sports, specifically football, it feels like the lead singer is always just chanting .
@@angel204bbyyup ! my songs know what you did in the dark could have easily been sung by imagine dragons . it's like rock but they're trying to have a catchy repetitive pop chorus and it ends up being some sort of chant that sounds like a stadium chanting it . idk what genre of rock it is but it's just bleh in certain settings to listen to . I undoubtedly believe that Imagine Dragons concerts are probably fun as hell, but I can't imagine anyone just casually, listening to them in their bedroom at night.
20:13 absolutely agree. At the last VMA's Taylor had camera just few inches away from her monitoring every move of hers, so she left to watch the show from backstage and was absent majority of the show. Like yes, Taylor is the biggest artist in the world and she bring the most audience with her but you don't have to treat her like a zoo animal.
Honestly the success of the newer generations of ex Disney girls isn’t even correlated to their time on Disney at all. For instance, I don’t even consider artists like Olivia Rodrigo or Sabrina Carpenter as Disney ex acts because they gained success from their music instead of from their Disney shows. By the time they were on Disney, the channel was already declining. Obviously they did gain some following but their Disney shows were not as impactful as prior shows. For instance, so many people didn’t even know Olivia was on Disney when Drivers License was released. Her debut single was the reason she had success. Unlike artists like Selena Gomez or Miley Cyrus who had major success from their Disney shows and then went on to gain bigger success from their music careers.
2:28 as a chronic Tumblr user in 2011-2014 Electra Heart was EVERYWHERE. It also feels like her “Sucker” album because it doesn’t really reflect Marina’s current music but it’s still a crowd favorite
@@Pinkladyisv oh I don’t think people hated Electra Heart, I just meant it’s a very stark difference from the rest of Marina’s discography! From what I’ve seen I think Love + Fear was her least successfully received😅 (but so many bops)
I personally think that Zendaya is another version of Blake lively. She’s mostly known for her red carpet, appearances and outfits rather than her acting. I kinda have to agree that Zendaya doesn’t really have much range as an actress just like Blake lively as well. However, Zendaya does seem to enjoy the fashion icon status so is it really all that bad?
The fact you know The Perks of Being a Wallflower just made my day! That’s my favorite movie of all time. I never known anyone else to like the movie ❤
Zendaya has a spectacular image. That’s why she’s booked and busy despite not being a groundbreaking actress. Directors don’t have to worry about her personal life taking attention away from what they’re promoting.
Is it?? i mean, most people, at least on the internet treat her like simply a model and fashion girl. In the industry she is getting acclaimed but i think the public is starting to box her in "red carpet girl". and i love her as an actress wich makes me dissapointed @@jtharwell6258
@@jtharwell6258 sorry but winning awards doesn’t make you a good actor. It’s all politics. Also, I think Zendaya only won because there wasn’t much competition that year. Just like Billy winning an Oscar for that Barbie song. Willem Dafoe is a fantastic actor and he’s never won an Oscar.
@@cherrikimba no, I agree she shouldn’t have won best supporting actress over Angela or Stephanie, but she “can act” which is the talking point. Naomi pointed out Zendaya’s angry scenes and when she was high. That’s not her normal behavior aka acting lol
With awards shows... we all have TVs that take up the whole wall. Show shots of people reacting in a corner or something. The real estate is available.
I’ve seen almost all of the movies Zendaya has been in - it’s lukewarm to me. I love Zendaya the fashionista, not the actress. I’m not running to the box office to see her.
I get what you’re saying abt Marina’s two different writing styles. It’s either very introspective pop bangers about her personal life, or activism anthems that can sometimes fall over the line into making the listener go “girl alright”. However, “Man’s World” may legitimately be one of her best written/performed/produced songs, and imo is the only time she fully hit the anthemic writing style on the head most likely because it’s also drawing from her experiences as a woman. It was in essence a perfect melding of her two writing and performance styles.
29:10 country music won’t fully pop “mainstream” frfr until it breaks down that glass barrier of racism and allow other artists beyond white people to gain notoriety in that genre. I’ve seen Latin country artists, black country artists, Asian country artists that all deserve attention in one way or another but nope, all you see at any award show or country related platforms is by majority- severely whitewashed. Until those gatekeepers release themselves from their own racial prejudices country will never be as appealing as any other genre that’s more inclusive & whole heartedly welcoming to its artists that create music from it. Country doesn’t give that, the country realm of the music industry is very isolated, lacks creativity & COLOR, very white, and very bland/uninspiring. They need to accept more people of other demographics in if people ever want to see country as a too genre. That goes for ANY popular genre that gets commercialized- you have GOT to be more inclusive if you want mainstream success across the board.
I dont want to sound like the typical non American but I also think the lack of growth of country outside of America is a factor, Latin America, East and South East Asia, Europe and MENA don't like country and generally when country artists tour outside (Luke Combs for example toured to other 7 or 8 countries but most of his audience was Americans outside of America, I think it had to do like you said with racism, at least in Europe there is an image of country as "redneck racist" music
The need to white underdogs and outcast within a “liberal” takeover of America narrative to sell to their core audience. The isolation is on purpose as a way to say “this is the last bastion of ‘real’ America and out there they hate you but in here youre home”
Our opinions aren't always right but they aren't always wrong. Sometimes they are just opinions. The most important thing is the Love for music. People need to remember that again. Just enjoy (or not) the music. Life is too short and not everything needs to be always so serious. Happy holidays❤
I think thinking electraheart is underrated depends on the sapce you're in though because people may like froot better or pay more attention to her other stuff but i see more electraheart references then anything else and i don't think I've listened to froot at all
Electra Heart is too my favorite album of hers too. I’m a black guy, but between it and Pure Heroine legit changed my life as a middle schooler. Power and Control, Bubblegum B*, Starring Role, etc. still make me go crazy in the car. ALSO…Sex Yeah was legit I think, one of the first peaks into me and a young boy thankfully being kept safe from the manosphere and realize as a gay guy that patriarchy and sexual roles hunger us all in many ways. SO. GOOD.
I 💯agree with Zendaya being not a good actress. Or at least a mediocre one. I feel like she does not disappear into most of her characters. And if she does, it’s just another version of Rue or KC. I saw her in Dune and wasn’t impressed :/ Imo she would thrive way more as a comedic actress. She was really funny in KC Undercover and had some funny moments in Euphoria as well. It was a smart idea to use her pretty privilege, red carpet looks and profiting of the disney-nostalgia to get her more exposure. But unfortunately her looks, her fashion and popularity do not match up to her acting abilities.
Unpopular opinion: we did not need a squid games season 2! And season 2 should've been a prequel and season 3 should've been a follow up from season 1!
I swear y2k never came back at all, all these people were saying it’s back but I barely saw anyone or anything back in it??? Maybe it’s where I live but the only thing I’ve seen come back is Juicy Couture being more in Marshall’s, TJ Maxx, Ross, Burlington, etc
The Y2K revival was definitely more modernized than the 70s/80s revival during Covid but still, it was definitely there. Especially within the music and entertainment scenes.
The autobiography one!! Not to dump on Britney cause the world has done that more than enough, but I did raise a good amount of eyebrow reading her book. Same with Julia Fox, actually.
Agree on Selena surviving only on nostalgia… if it wasn’t for that she wouldn’t be singing,acting or selling makeup cause she doesn’t excell in any field she’s all around mid
all around mid yet she's been praised for her acting by acting icons and is emmy nominated and curently DOUBLE nominated at the golden globes and her makeup brand stands alone Rare Beauty is one of the best brands out there and unlike other brands like Kylie Cosmetics or REM people are buying it bc of the quality not Selena's name and people are not listening to Selena bc of nostalgia she genuinely does have bops
Love Is Wicked is A BOPPPPPPPPP Like, I remember my dad coming home from Nigeria when I was a kid and he had the music video in his phone…I was HOOKED. I love a fun upbeat song that can also be strong lyrically
It's one thing to relate to a song, but it's another thing to praise it despite being toxic. Songa about revenge and hurting people can be catchy, but it should also be acknowledged that this isn't a healthy way to be.
28:38 I also think the reason it’s easier to break into dicso or add disco elements into popular music is because it’s more socially acceptable for white artist to infiltrate “black spaces” than it is for black artists to infiltrate “white spaces”
Recently read a politician memoir and her question on the book Tour was: did you actually remeber all that? And she went well: we went through my calender from years ago ans as I read my speeches back I remebered way more, as I finally got to think back and think through all that for the first time without a hectic schedule. So I think a lot of celebrities do a similar thing and watch their stuff back to remeber
I believe Zendaya excels in a fun role, like her role in KC Undercover. I feel like she had a lot more personality and when it came to her acting now, I think there is a certain demographic that cast people cast her as. From what I have seen her in her roles they are often serious, and I think if she were to do a comedy or something more lighthearted she would excel! I just believe she has the skill but doesn’t have the right role yet. Trust me watch KC Undercover and tell me otherwise (also I only really watched her on that and I h tbh uno she is pretty fun and criticism is welcomed here).
I think that Imagine Dragons rock “genre” got a bad rep because of the content that uses it. For example: Like any and every cringey American teen show uses that genre during a fight or a “revolutionary” scene so then ppl use it to be ironic. Just a theory 😂
Electra Heart was my favorite album. Like I just feel like I'll never forget listening to that album. It's my most streamed album by her. So I don't personally find it unpopular.
Love is wicked is from the Bratz 2007 live action movie. Every song on that album is a bop. Fabulous, Now or never, rainy day, open eyes, bratitude fearless HEARTBURN! You have to review it because that album had no business being as good as it is
the way i commented this too as if she's not killing it rn in film and tv, Rare Beauty and her cooking show Selena + Chef is soo good too she's just not a pop star anymore but she's still massively relevant and excelling in many fields
19:59 I don't have cable to watch certain awards show (used to have but unsubbed) so i would watch the show's audience POV on Twitter/TH-cam Live and they're not joking. Taylor Swift is always front and center. Idk how much she paid her publicist but she really made sure to get the most screen time these past few years to the point where it's unwatchable. They should do a multiple angle view like it's CCTV or create separate streams for each angle. The Swifties can have all of her.
Taylor has nothing to do with camera's being on her and she certainly didn't pay anyone. Taylor hit completely new peak of fame and success these past few years and awards shows center on her because she brings the audience. Taylor has a huge fanbase, so the more they show the bigger change her fans will tune in. NFL does the same thing with showing her while she's just watching the game as everybody else in that stadium. At the last VMA's she had camera right in front of her monitoring her every move, she felt so uncomfortable that she left to backstage and was absent for majority of the show. It's ok with you don't like her but stop inventing fairytales just to shit on her.
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984The people who are NFL fans trying to watch the game that’s being played also complain about how much they are being showed Taylor Swift instead of what’s happening on the field
@@Rachel-sm7ym she's on screen for 5 seconds at least and it's in between plays, rather than what happens on the field. It's more the NFL's social media that tends to focus on her more, when that's not their job. Leave that to the tabloids.
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984 Well I hope the media would stop preying on her fame if it's just for views because it's not helping their ratings as much anyways.
Saying Selena is only relevant bc of nostalgia is WILD she's killing it in acting i mean DOUBLE nominated at the Golden Globes this year!! killing it as a bussiness woman too and more popular than ever thanks to what she's doing with Rare Beauty, she also has a very successful (and good!) emmy-nominated cooking show i think she's doing amazing and has a lot going on she's just not doing music rn and hasn't been a pop star in a long long time but she's diversifying and killing it in other industries/aspects
When they cut the cameras to the audience, it takes me out of the whole performance. Also when they pan out the camera to show the whole stage and the performers become tiny like ants, it pisses me off. I don't wanna watch the damn stage, especially if it has a choreo, show me the damn choreo
Concept albums like Portals, like Electra Heart, like Artpop, always stick in my mind because of their execution and ideas. It’s kinda shocking that female artist are always so good at making these types of albums but the men always seem to fall flat. The only male concept album I heard this year was Pink Velvet Theatre.
10:48 I will say one thing to add to this point, almost- The parents and older siblings of these kids who know these girls from Disney, who were just absorbing the content second hand, much like the disney girls before, also know them as from Disney. I actually have like no idea what this adds but i feel like it does.
Tea. Beautiful, sweet, a great fashionista, but she takes me out of everything I've seen her in (yes, even Euphoria). She's still young, but I just feel like she has never shown any real screen prescence, charisma or acting skill, and most great actors have developed their style and honed their talents and skills by their late 20s... still not seeing it from her. People will point me to that scene from Euphoria, but like... being willing to yell is NOT great acting. Props to her for going for it, but it's still not good.
I'm guessing y'all haven't watched Challengers or Dune 2. It isn't groundbreaking, but it clearly hints at Zendaya having more to give acting wise than she usually does.
@@reallycaughtnow I've seen both of the Dune movies and Challengers. In Challengers she is out-acted by her costars and she is straight up terrible in Dune. Like she actually takes me out of the movie with how much her acting stands out in a bad way. I'm not trying to be a hater, I'm a fan of Zendaya as a celebrity, but she just isn't good at acting, at least not yet.
Here is a unpopular opinion. I think perrie from little mix doesn’t have enough charisma or personality to be a solo artist. She has five songs of her own and only her debut made a tiny bit of noise for a week then poof, silence. Talented but she belongs in a group with members who carried what she lacked (jade and Leigh Anne) unpopular opinion again, I think Leigh Anne has the most potential in America out of the girls, jade is great but she will be overshadowed by all the other pop girls especially chapel Rowan who is doing the chaotic stuff jade is trying to do. Unpopular, jade needs to stop with the talking singing and trying hard to be quirky and “different “ I want to hear more pop and RnB from her not just the gay club anthems she is targeting.
Electra heart is definitely fave for me with marina however the thing that stops it from being marina best album to me is the production, the production is way too dated and doesn’t do a good job at capturing the themes and lyricism of the album, froot is still to me her best album, I definitely agree on the point of zendaya as well as your point on being better when she’s more expressive and yes I watched dune part 2 and challengers in fact those two movies made me truly realize how average of a actress she is especially when compared to her co stars in both films, I feel Z’s problem is she’s been thrust into the A-list movie star status quickly while she was still developing as a actress, it kinda enabled her to be nite picky with her roles, as suppose to growing and experimenting as a actress, it’s a similar issue to many other gen z actors/actresses like Florence Pugh, Tom holland, Nicholas Chavez etc a lot of them aren’t being strategically smart with the picks they do and as a result a lot of them lack dynamics, versatility and top tier acting strengths or some are just being cast for their good looks and social media following/popularity
The film vs music debate was a joke, have we’ve not gotten so many great original movies this year? Lisa Frankenstein, The Substance, Anora, Hell Even Smile 2….meanwhile music is in shambles since the streaming & Radio impact…look at the pure sales & how much music artist barely sale the first week..
Popular opinion: i feel like orange trees wouldn't get as much hate if she left off the "o-o-o-orange" and just had those plucky strings in the intro and interludes.
my own opinion on imagine dragons changed when the song “demons” came out … it’s just a bit sickly sweet and kind of sounds like a teenager made it on a laptop
Imagine Dragons just remind me of that guy who uses believer on videos where him and his nan(?) rob people or whatever in slow motion on tiktok 😂🤦♂️ I think Electra Heart was Marinas most iconic/memorable era - probably her most prominent too as I think now (as a fan from the start) she has a built in fanbase and doesn't really focus on gimmicks etc- I went to her poetry book tour and she said her management is fine to give her YEARS between albums without singles and staying in the public eye because that's how her best work is made.
I think, relating to the cutting to the audience point, their reactions could be from a completely different moment taken out of context to generate a reaction. You see this all the time in fan edits, etc.
Honestly I think Pitchfork made the BEST critique for Electra Heart! 🤐 I strongly disagree with Electra Heart being Marina's best album, the album is tacky and pointless to me despite a few songs. I've read professional reviews that breakdown the album's flaws - the "concepts" are weak. The corruption of a young American beauty queen is really a trope not a true "character", a trope done by a TV show and even another artist (apparently Desperate Housewives, Lana Del Rey). According to the reviews, Marina doesn't deliver any fresh insights with the tropes on the album, her comments on shallowness are shallow themselves. I agree with them.
People need to stop associating the fact that a song is overplayed to being bad. Maybe the song is overplayed because it's good? Imagine dragons have GREAT music, they are always making good music. Just because people play it a lot, doesn't mean it's bad.
I have an opinion for K-Pop which is kinda like an essay but here it might be important : Chat gpt corrected : No shade to the new groups from the 2010s, but it's partly their fault that boybands and girlbands have disappeared from the Western music industry. It’s also why many people think K-pop came out of nowhere, when in reality, it’s heavily influenced by the idol training system that originated in the West-specifically from Black American music traditions. Back in the '90s and 2000s, many producers and teams that worked in the U.S. transitioned to Asia. This shift coincided with the rise of J-pop, which was inspired by Motown and the idol training systems. These systems were refined into what we now associate with K-pop. When K-pop began gaining global recognition in the late 2000s (around 2007), the last significant Western boyband was Big Time Rush. By the time BTS and Blackpink debuted, the Western boyband/girlband landscape was disorganized, with groups either trying to look “authentic” or disbanding altogether. I hope newer groups like Boysworld (RIP), FLO, No Guidnce, Full Circle, and Absnt Mind can inspire executives to reclaim the boyband/girlband legacy in the Western pop industry. No shade, but companies like JYP and HYBE act like they’ve invented something groundbreaking with “K-pop training” in the U.S. and Japan, as seen with groups like NiziU, VCHA, KATSEYE, and NEXZ. However, the idol training system they’re using originated in the U.S. and Japan decades ago. Let’s not forget how many groups in the 2000s and 2010s trained in cities like Los Angeles, Orlando, New York, or Tokyo. Music shows, a cornerstone of K-pop, were heavily inspired by MTV. Why else would MTV expand its format to Korea? Groups like One Direction, Little Mix, Why Don’t We, and Fifth Harmony didn’t help much either. They emphasized being “authentic” but failed to realize that authenticity and cohesive branding aren’t mutually exclusive. Even rock bands managed to maintain individuality while still presenting as a unified group. Thankfully, groups like Little Mix figured this out and thrived. Now, K-pop labels like HYBE and K-pop stans act as though K-pop is the next big thing globally. But the truth is, what’s missing from the music industry in general is pop music itself. Japan’s restricted music export policies and the U.S. neglecting its pop groups left a void that K-pop filled. From what I’ve noticed (speaking as someone who’s followed this since I was 12), K-pop’s global success is largely due to marketing strategies that Western pop stars used to excel at. K-pop creates a sense of FOMO (fear of missing out), making people believe they're witnessing the next big thing-even if that isn’t always the case. It’s also worth noting that K-pop often appropriates elements of Black culture and music to fuel its success. This is part of a broader marketing strategy to adapt what works in their domestic market, blend it with external influences (like J-pop or Afrobeat sounds), and then drop those influences once they achieve global success. Meanwhile, the U.S. music industry stopped investing in cohesive, label-driven pop groups, preferring artists who could gain popularity “organically” while maintaining authenticity. Ironically, K-pop executives-heavily influenced by U.S. and J-pop A&Rs-invested in this exact system and turned it into a global phenomenon. At what point do we call it cultural colonization?
1:01 Electra Heart is Marina’s best album
5:59 Imagine Dragons aren’t THAT bad
9:00 new Disney girls’ careers > old Disney girls’
14:03 Houdini is the best dance pop song EVER
15:48 most celeb memories are fictionalized
18:44 stop showing the audience at award shows!!
20:28 calling bad songs “Empire Music” etc.
23:31 ‘Love is Wicked’ shoulda done Despacito numbers
25:13 USA music industry rising while film is declining
28:38 country music did not take off this year yall
33:37 Zendaya is not a great actress
So Imagine Dragons, the new Nickelback of this generation? 😅
Definitely agree about Electea Heart, and I think most of the big Disney girls have great careers, but Olivia's the only one who got to make her kind of music from the get-go, so she had the advantage. And the USA film vs music opinion is FOR SURE a hot take.
Thank you!!
Petition to change the “free space” tier to “Holding space”
@@ahj_153 YOU WIN
I love this 😂
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LMFAOOOO YES PLEASE!!!
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t know nothin’ about half the stuff you talk about, but I like hearing you talk. You say good words.
@@Bruh-ob9mi Ahh thank ya!
I think it's really weird to compare "new girlies" to "old girlies" because we don't have hindsight on the new girls. You won't know how well the new girls will do because they haven't had their full careers yet. I think that people who feel that way are just excited because it's new to them and they're swept up in the feelings of it all.
100%%%! I even feel that with “gen z” in general. Half haven’t even it 5 year career cycle and the already being compared to legends
I think recency bias, being that newer events feel more important because they're fresh, plays a major role too
The way the VMAs basically almost missed broadcasting the Christina and Madonna kiss cause they were so focused on Justin Timberlake’s reaction to the Britney kiss is case and point for me-i didn’t care for this man’s reaction, just broadcast the show.
True and i'm a huge fighter, so back then that made me so mad.
This is a terrible example because Justin and Britney were the IT couple. Ofc VMAs would film his reaction 😂
Yeah, *you* didn't care, but Britney and Justin was the hottest couple of their time. Panning to him made sense. 🤷♀️
19:10 this reminds me of Tyla dancing during an award show and stopping when she realized she was on camera. People were joking it was because she’s trying to get a Minaj feature and was dancing to Meg the Stallion, but I think it’s just anxiety. When your every public action is scrutinized and you’re famous for entertaining, it must be stressful to dance uninhibited when you’re feeling the music and then noticing you’re randomly being broadcasted to millions of people. The internet will tear you down over nothing
@@krissyburke5050 exactly bc now no matter what someone’s gonna see a moment and make it a whole thing just to stir up drama
i agree on the disney take cause baby them “old disney” (girls/kids) were everywhere , their resumé alone blows the ones that came after .
Someone who is unexpectedly good at voice acting is Nicki Minaj. I’m still in awe of what she did on Steven Universe. I wish we got more moments of that 😂
Yeah that was wild 😅
who did she voice?
@@Foodisamazing5173 Yea she ate that role
She initially wanted to become an actress! She used to go to a specialist theatre school, same one as azealia banks did 😯
Agree
The best way for me to describe it is Imagine Dragons sounds like stadium music. Like they always sound like their music was made for commercials about sports, specifically football, it feels like the lead singer is always just chanting .
Kinda what fall out boy turned into for a minute
@@angel204bbyyup ! my songs know what you did in the dark could have easily been sung by imagine dragons . it's like rock but they're trying to have a catchy repetitive pop chorus and it ends up being some sort of chant that sounds like a stadium chanting it . idk what genre of rock it is but it's just bleh in certain settings to listen to . I undoubtedly believe that Imagine Dragons concerts are probably fun as hell, but I can't imagine anyone just casually, listening to them in their bedroom at night.
@@bobixx6965 honestly this is lowkey accurate
20:13 absolutely agree. At the last VMA's Taylor had camera just few inches away from her monitoring every move of hers, so she left to watch the show from backstage and was absent majority of the show. Like yes, Taylor is the biggest artist in the world and she bring the most audience with her but you don't have to treat her like a zoo animal.
She had to chug her wine backstage 😂
Honestly the success of the newer generations of ex Disney girls isn’t even correlated to their time on Disney at all. For instance, I don’t even consider artists like Olivia Rodrigo or Sabrina Carpenter as Disney ex acts because they gained success from their music instead of from their Disney shows. By the time they were on Disney, the channel was already declining. Obviously they did gain some following but their Disney shows were not as impactful as prior shows. For instance, so many people didn’t even know Olivia was on Disney when Drivers License was released. Her debut single was the reason she had success. Unlike artists like Selena Gomez or Miley Cyrus who had major success from their Disney shows and then went on to gain bigger success from their music careers.
2:28 as a chronic Tumblr user in 2011-2014 Electra Heart was EVERYWHERE. It also feels like her “Sucker” album because it doesn’t really reflect Marina’s current music but it’s still a crowd favorite
@@ColeClawson tumblr skewed my thoughts bc I really had no idea some ppl hated this album…
I didn’t know people hated it either. It’s so good. My favorite album from her is The Family Jewels though.
@@Pinkladyisv oh I don’t think people hated Electra Heart, I just meant it’s a very stark difference from the rest of Marina’s discography! From what I’ve seen I think Love + Fear was her least successfully received😅 (but so many bops)
I personally think that Zendaya is another version of Blake lively. She’s mostly known for her red carpet, appearances and outfits rather than her acting. I kinda have to agree that Zendaya doesn’t really have much range as an actress just like Blake lively as well. However, Zendaya does seem to enjoy the fashion icon status so is it really all that bad?
I don’t think it helps that the characters she plays are just quite bland and a lot of the scriptwriting isn’t good at all.
i do think she plays that model/it girl role way better than blake though
I'll always say it.. Post Disney careers.. Bridgit Mendler wins.
The fact you know The Perks of Being a Wallflower just made my day! That’s my favorite movie of all time. I never known anyone else to like the movie ❤
I read the book twenty years ago in middle school and it actually changed my way of thinking. I was so happy with how well they did the movie
@@rottenfruiits5982 I loooove the book! It’s also one of the the DVDs I own
@ the book is amazing! I’ve read it a billion times 🥹🖤
Zendaya has a spectacular image. That’s why she’s booked and busy despite not being a groundbreaking actress. Directors don’t have to worry about her personal life taking attention away from what they’re promoting.
Zendaya makes more noise with her method dressing then her acting…
I would agree if she didn’t get awards. That proves her acting is just as appreciated/ acclaimed
Is it?? i mean, most people, at least on the internet treat her like simply a model and fashion girl. In the industry she is getting acclaimed but i think the public is starting to box her in "red carpet girl". and i love her as an actress wich makes me dissapointed @@jtharwell6258
@@jtharwell6258awards don’t really mean anything tho, look at Jamie Lee Curtis. Lover her, but she shouldn’t have won
@@jtharwell6258 sorry but winning awards doesn’t make you a good actor. It’s all politics. Also, I think Zendaya only won because there wasn’t much competition that year. Just like Billy winning an Oscar for that Barbie song. Willem Dafoe is a fantastic actor and he’s never won an Oscar.
@@cherrikimba no, I agree she shouldn’t have won best supporting actress over Angela or Stephanie, but she “can act” which is the talking point. Naomi pointed out Zendaya’s angry scenes and when she was high. That’s not her normal behavior aka acting lol
With awards shows... we all have TVs that take up the whole wall. Show shots of people reacting in a corner or something. The real estate is available.
The production on “Houdini” is amazing my favorite song on RO under French Exit
FRENCH EXIT APPRECIATION
I love Brick and Lace's "Love is Wicked" ❤ I play it everyday 😂
It had Toronto in a chokehold that one summer of 07 or 08 and I swear it came back around the next summer too. The dancehall fusion acts were 🔥
@SailorScarborough yess definitely ! 🔥 the song was an absolute bop !
I looooove Brick & Lace!! Love is wicked and Never ever! Ugh I’m so glad someone brought them up, they’re still on my playlists these days :)
I’ve seen almost all of the movies Zendaya has been in - it’s lukewarm to me. I love Zendaya the fashionista, not the actress. I’m not running to the box office to see her.
I get what you’re saying abt Marina’s two different writing styles. It’s either very introspective pop bangers about her personal life, or activism anthems that can sometimes fall over the line into making the listener go “girl alright”. However, “Man’s World” may legitimately be one of her best written/performed/produced songs, and imo is the only time she fully hit the anthemic writing style on the head most likely because it’s also drawing from her experiences as a woman. It was in essence a perfect melding of her two writing and performance styles.
love is wicked is one of the biggest bops of all timeeeee
29:10 country music won’t fully pop “mainstream” frfr until it breaks down that glass barrier of racism and allow other artists beyond white people to gain notoriety in that genre. I’ve seen Latin country artists, black country artists, Asian country artists that all deserve attention in one way or another but nope, all you see at any award show or country related platforms is by majority- severely whitewashed. Until those gatekeepers release themselves from their own racial prejudices country will never be as appealing as any other genre that’s more inclusive & whole heartedly welcoming to its artists that create music from it. Country doesn’t give that, the country realm of the music industry is very isolated, lacks creativity & COLOR, very white, and very bland/uninspiring. They need to accept more people of other demographics in if people ever want to see country as a too genre. That goes for ANY popular genre that gets commercialized- you have GOT to be more inclusive if you want mainstream success across the board.
I dont want to sound like the typical non American but I also think the lack of growth of country outside of America is a factor, Latin America, East and South East Asia, Europe and MENA don't like country and generally when country artists tour outside (Luke Combs for example toured to other 7 or 8 countries but most of his audience was Americans outside of America, I think it had to do like you said with racism, at least in Europe there is an image of country as "redneck racist" music
The need to white underdogs and outcast within a “liberal” takeover of America narrative to sell to their core audience. The isolation is on purpose as a way to say “this is the last bastion of ‘real’ America and out there they hate you but in here youre home”
Our opinions aren't always right but they aren't always wrong. Sometimes they are just opinions. The most important thing is the Love for music. People need to remember that again. Just enjoy (or not) the music. Life is too short and not everything needs to be always so serious. Happy holidays❤
Finally hearing my girl Marina . And Electric Heart is DAT GUUURRRRLLLL
I think thinking electraheart is underrated depends on the sapce you're in though because people may like froot better or pay more attention to her other stuff but i see more electraheart references then anything else and i don't think I've listened to froot at all
Electra Heart is too my favorite album of hers too. I’m a black guy, but between it and Pure Heroine legit changed my life as a middle schooler. Power and Control, Bubblegum B*, Starring Role, etc. still make me go crazy in the car. ALSO…Sex Yeah was legit I think, one of the first peaks into me and a young boy thankfully being kept safe from the manosphere and realize as a gay guy that patriarchy and sexual roles hunger us all in many ways. SO. GOOD.
I 💯agree with Zendaya being not a good actress. Or at least a mediocre one. I feel like she does not disappear into most of her characters. And if she does, it’s just another version of Rue or KC. I saw her in Dune and wasn’t impressed :/ Imo she would thrive way more as a comedic actress. She was really funny in KC Undercover and had some funny moments in Euphoria as well. It was a smart idea to use her pretty privilege, red carpet looks and profiting of the disney-nostalgia to get her more exposure. But unfortunately her looks, her fashion and popularity do not match up to her acting abilities.
100%!
Exactly!
I 1000% agree on Zendaya not being a good actress. I've been saying this for a while now!!!
Unpopular opinion: we did not need a squid games season 2! And season 2 should've been a prequel and season 3 should've been a follow up from season 1!
Waitttt this is so smart!!!
Another fun fact is Nyla from Brick & Lace also went on to have a big hit in 2015 with Major Lazer called “Light It Up” which you may have heard
I know that song!
I swear y2k never came back at all, all these people were saying it’s back but I barely saw anyone or anything back in it??? Maybe it’s where I live but the only thing I’ve seen come back is Juicy Couture being more in Marshall’s, TJ Maxx, Ross, Burlington, etc
Well, people call that Y2K for some reason.
The Y2K revival was definitely more modernized than the 70s/80s revival during Covid but still, it was definitely there. Especially within the music and entertainment scenes.
And Starring Role, Power and Control and The State of Dreaming and Living Dead also are my favorite
they are so so goood
The autobiography one!!
Not to dump on Britney cause the world has done that more than enough, but I did raise a good amount of eyebrow reading her book. Same with Julia Fox, actually.
Agree on Selena surviving only on nostalgia… if it wasn’t for that she wouldn’t be singing,acting or selling makeup cause she doesn’t excell in any field she’s all around mid
all around mid yet she's been praised for her acting by acting icons and is emmy nominated and curently DOUBLE nominated at the golden globes
and her makeup brand stands alone Rare Beauty is one of the best brands out there and unlike other brands like Kylie Cosmetics or REM people are buying it bc of the quality not Selena's name
and people are not listening to Selena bc of nostalgia she genuinely does have bops
Love Is Wicked is A BOPPPPPPPPP
Like, I remember my dad coming home from Nigeria when I was a kid and he had the music video in his phone…I was HOOKED. I love a fun upbeat song that can also be strong lyrically
It's one thing to relate to a song, but it's another thing to praise it despite being toxic. Songa about revenge and hurting people can be catchy, but it should also be acknowledged that this isn't a healthy way to be.
Omg you did my confession tyyyy I submitted the Electra heart one 🖤
@@alvinistrange the thesis is gonna eat
@ thank uuu I’ll for sure send it to you to proof read 😊
28:38 I also think the reason it’s easier to break into dicso or add disco elements into popular music is because it’s more socially acceptable for white artist to infiltrate “black spaces” than it is for black artists to infiltrate “white spaces”
Love and fear really was mature and growing with Marina into ancient dreams I love how her evolution changes
Recently read a politician memoir and her question on the book Tour was: did you actually remeber all that? And she went well: we went through my calender from years ago ans as I read my speeches back I remebered way more, as I finally got to think back and think through all that for the first time without a hectic schedule.
So I think a lot of celebrities do a similar thing and watch their stuff back to remeber
I believe Zendaya excels in a fun role, like her role in KC Undercover. I feel like she had a lot more personality and when it came to her acting now, I think there is a certain demographic that cast people cast her as. From what I have seen her in her roles they are often serious, and I think if she were to do a comedy or something more lighthearted she would excel! I just believe she has the skill but doesn’t have the right role yet. Trust me watch KC Undercover and tell me otherwise (also I only really watched her on that and I h tbh uno she is pretty fun and criticism is welcomed here).
I think that Imagine Dragons rock “genre” got a bad rep because of the content that uses it. For example: Like any and every cringey American teen show uses that genre during a fight or a “revolutionary” scene so then ppl use it to be ironic. Just a theory 😂
Electra Heart was my favorite album. Like I just feel like I'll never forget listening to that album. It's my most streamed album by her. So I don't personally find it unpopular.
Love is wicked is from the Bratz 2007 live action movie. Every song on that album is a bop. Fabulous, Now or never, rainy day, open eyes, bratitude fearless HEARTBURN!
You have to review it because that album had no business being as good as it is
Agree with the poster…Zendeya is not a good actress but the woman can dress her aZZ off!
You mean her stylist knows how to dress her awzz off 😂
illusion better than houdini is a reach😭😭😭😭
Calling Selena irrelevant and ignoring the massive successes of Only Murders in the Building and Emilia Perez is certainly a choice 🤨🤨
And Rare Beauty + being the most followed on Instagram for a while. She is still relevant 😂
the way i commented this too as if she's not killing it rn in film and tv, Rare Beauty and her cooking show Selena + Chef is soo good too she's just not a pop star anymore but she's still massively relevant and excelling in many fields
double nominated at the Golden Globes this year too that's history not everyone has that!
Pretty sure Thunder is what make Imagine Dragons so unpopular and hated. This song was overplayed
@@elihem (I love that song) but it def felt like that one was in almost very commercial/ piece of content for a while
LOVE IS WICKED WAS MY MOST OLAYED SONG ON MY IPOD FOR 2 summers straight!!! Yes I said iPod.
19:59 I don't have cable to watch certain awards show (used to have but unsubbed) so i would watch the show's audience POV on Twitter/TH-cam Live and they're not joking. Taylor Swift is always front and center. Idk how much she paid her publicist but she really made sure to get the most screen time these past few years to the point where it's unwatchable. They should do a multiple angle view like it's CCTV or create separate streams for each angle. The Swifties can have all of her.
Taylor has nothing to do with camera's being on her and she certainly didn't pay anyone. Taylor hit completely new peak of fame and success these past few years and awards shows center on her because she brings the audience. Taylor has a huge fanbase, so the more they show the bigger change her fans will tune in. NFL does the same thing with showing her while she's just watching the game as everybody else in that stadium.
At the last VMA's she had camera right in front of her monitoring her every move, she felt so uncomfortable that she left to backstage and was absent for majority of the show.
It's ok with you don't like her but stop inventing fairytales just to shit on her.
Girl you do realize she’s one of the biggest pop stars of TODAY she will go on to be a legend even after she passes away people will remember her name
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984The people who are NFL fans trying to watch the game that’s being played also complain about how much they are being showed Taylor Swift instead of what’s happening on the field
@@Rachel-sm7ym she's on screen for 5 seconds at least and it's in between plays, rather than what happens on the field. It's more the NFL's social media that tends to focus on her more, when that's not their job. Leave that to the tabloids.
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984 Well I hope the media would stop preying on her fame if it's just for views because it's not helping their ratings as much anyways.
Marina deserves more mainstream success
LOVE IS WICKED IS MY JAM FOREVERRRRRRR
Saying Selena is only relevant bc of nostalgia is WILD she's killing it in acting i mean DOUBLE nominated at the Golden Globes this year!!
killing it as a bussiness woman too and more popular than ever thanks to what she's doing with Rare Beauty, she also has a very successful (and good!) emmy-nominated cooking show
i think she's doing amazing and has a lot going on she's just not doing music rn and hasn't been a pop star in a long long time but she's diversifying and killing it in other industries/aspects
Happy new year Naomi and everyone here!🎉
@@khairulazri2870 happy new year!!
Keep It Moving is a bop!! they can say what they want about EMPIRE but the soundtrack ATE
starting the video STRONG with marina I love to see it ❤❤
Love + Fear my favorite too!!!
When they cut the cameras to the audience, it takes me out of the whole performance. Also when they pan out the camera to show the whole stage and the performers become tiny like ants, it pisses me off. I don't wanna watch the damn stage, especially if it has a choreo, show me the damn choreo
Concept albums like Portals, like Electra Heart, like Artpop, always stick in my mind because of their execution and ideas. It’s kinda shocking that female artist are always so good at making these types of albums but the men always seem to fall flat. The only male concept album I heard this year was Pink Velvet Theatre.
I’m obsessed with Marina and her first three albums😭, I’d love to listen to that person’s thesis
I was looking for a backround video while I'm gonna be baking and noticed that Naomi posted 15 minutes ago
I love Lonely Hearts Club too ❤❤❤
10:48
I will say one thing to add to this point, almost-
The parents and older siblings of these kids who know these girls from Disney, who were just absorbing the content second hand, much like the disney girls before, also know them as from Disney. I actually have like no idea what this adds but i feel like it does.
Zendya is beautiful…. But she can’t act. Like she can act , but she literally the same person in every movie… so is she acting or just playing herself
Tea. Beautiful, sweet, a great fashionista, but she takes me out of everything I've seen her in (yes, even Euphoria). She's still young, but I just feel like she has never shown any real screen prescence, charisma or acting skill, and most great actors have developed their style and honed their talents and skills by their late 20s... still not seeing it from her. People will point me to that scene from Euphoria, but like... being willing to yell is NOT great acting. Props to her for going for it, but it's still not good.
I'm guessing y'all haven't watched Challengers or Dune 2. It isn't groundbreaking, but it clearly hints at Zendaya having more to give acting wise than she usually does.
I kinda disagree in both those movies she’s playing someone with a dry personality
@@reallycaughtnow I've seen both of the Dune movies and Challengers. In Challengers she is out-acted by her costars and she is straight up terrible in Dune. Like she actually takes me out of the movie with how much her acting stands out in a bad way.
I'm not trying to be a hater, I'm a fan of Zendaya as a celebrity, but she just isn't good at acting, at least not yet.
dude are you insane????
You speak so intelligently, it’s so soothing to listen to.
Here is a unpopular opinion. I think perrie from little mix doesn’t have enough charisma or personality to be a solo artist. She has five songs of her own and only her debut made a tiny bit of noise for a week then poof, silence. Talented but she belongs in a group with members who carried what she lacked (jade and Leigh Anne) unpopular opinion again, I think Leigh Anne has the most potential in America out of the girls, jade is great but she will be overshadowed by all the other pop girls especially chapel Rowan who is doing the chaotic stuff jade is trying to do. Unpopular, jade needs to stop with the talking singing and trying hard to be quirky and “different “ I want to hear more pop and RnB from her not just the gay club anthems she is targeting.
you ATE with your MARINA take
Electra heart is definitely fave for me with marina however the thing that stops it from being marina best album to me is the production, the production is way too dated and doesn’t do a good job at capturing the themes and lyricism of the album, froot is still to me her best album,
I definitely agree on the point of zendaya as well as your point on being better when she’s more expressive and yes I watched dune part 2 and challengers in fact those two movies made me truly realize how average of a actress she is especially when compared to her co stars in both films, I feel Z’s problem is she’s been thrust into the A-list movie star status quickly while she was still developing as a actress, it kinda enabled her to be nite picky with her roles, as suppose to growing and experimenting as a actress, it’s a similar issue to many other gen z actors/actresses like Florence Pugh, Tom holland, Nicholas Chavez etc a lot of them aren’t being strategically smart with the picks they do and as a result a lot of them lack dynamics, versatility and top tier acting strengths or some are just being cast for their good looks and social media following/popularity
might be an unpopular opinion but MARINA deserves to be as praised and loved as Lana Del Rey +
she's so underrated it hurts
I feel like people pay "Ancient Dreams in a Modern Land" dust
Omgggg I keep missing submission tiiiiime. I've been sitting on one for over a month😭😭😭
You look even better than normally, not possible! 😅💖
The film vs music debate was a joke, have we’ve not gotten so many great original movies this year? Lisa Frankenstein, The Substance, Anora, Hell Even Smile 2….meanwhile music is in shambles since the streaming & Radio impact…look at the pure sales & how much music artist barely sale the first week..
@@philliploza8546 Lisa Frankenstein was fun!
Cecred is a good product and has the makings of good quality control
Popular opinion: i feel like orange trees wouldn't get as much hate if she left off the "o-o-o-orange" and just had those plucky strings in the intro and interludes.
my own opinion on imagine dragons changed when the song “demons” came out … it’s just a bit sickly sweet and kind of sounds like a teenager made it on a laptop
Selene is one of ly fav Imagine dragons songs too!!!
The best song to me from L-ctra Heart is Lies, Bubblegum Bitch and Primadonna
The Imagine Dragons x Kendrick Lamar grammys performance is also one of my top favorite award show performances ever!
Imagine Dragons just remind me of that guy who uses believer on videos where him and his nan(?) rob people or whatever in slow motion on tiktok 😂🤦♂️
I think Electra Heart was Marinas most iconic/memorable era - probably her most prominent too as I think now (as a fan from the start) she has a built in fanbase and doesn't really focus on gimmicks etc- I went to her poetry book tour and she said her management is fine to give her YEARS between albums without singles and staying in the public eye because that's how her best work is made.
Dua lipa is engaged!!!
@@zackzzz3513 omg is it confirmed??
@naomi.cannibal she has not said anything yet though! It may also be a promise ring
I think, relating to the cutting to the audience point, their reactions could be from a completely different moment taken out of context to generate a reaction. You see this all the time in fan edits, etc.
A Bar Song (Tipsy) is a BOP i don't get the hate it receives, it deserves all the accolades
C boths sides like CHANEL actually eats maybe you could but it as CC or just CHANEL in the tiermaker so it's not too long
L + F being your favorite marina album is surely an unpopular opinion chile
The Imagine Dragons Kdot collab is certified diamond on my phone 😊
that picture of Shaq for the memoir one 😂
Whoever is writing the thesis on Electra Heart. If you publish it somewhere, do send the link. I'd love to read it
Luigi from Mario and Eylul from Orphan flowers played by Biran Damla Yilmaz a turkish actress have their own Electra Heart nicknames
Honestly I think Pitchfork made the BEST critique for Electra Heart! 🤐
I strongly disagree with Electra Heart being Marina's best album, the album is tacky and pointless to me despite a few songs. I've read professional reviews that breakdown the album's flaws - the "concepts" are weak. The corruption of a young American beauty queen is really a trope not a true "character", a trope done by a TV show and even another artist (apparently Desperate Housewives, Lana Del Rey). According to the reviews, Marina doesn't deliver any fresh insights with the tropes on the album, her comments on shallowness are shallow themselves. I agree with them.
People need to stop associating the fact that a song is overplayed to being bad. Maybe the song is overplayed because it's good? Imagine dragons have GREAT music, they are always making good music. Just because people play it a lot, doesn't mean it's bad.
How about naming the middle tier ‘ holding space ‘
L-ctra Heart her second album is Marina's most popular album
Sometimes certain thoughts are better kept in the drafts😂
I have an opinion for K-Pop which is kinda like an essay but here it might be important :
Chat gpt corrected :
No shade to the new groups from the 2010s, but it's partly their fault that boybands and girlbands have disappeared from the Western music industry. It’s also why many people think K-pop came out of nowhere, when in reality, it’s heavily influenced by the idol training system that originated in the West-specifically from Black American music traditions.
Back in the '90s and 2000s, many producers and teams that worked in the U.S. transitioned to Asia. This shift coincided with the rise of J-pop, which was inspired by Motown and the idol training systems. These systems were refined into what we now associate with K-pop. When K-pop began gaining global recognition in the late 2000s (around 2007), the last significant Western boyband was Big Time Rush. By the time BTS and Blackpink debuted, the Western boyband/girlband landscape was disorganized, with groups either trying to look “authentic” or disbanding altogether.
I hope newer groups like Boysworld (RIP), FLO, No Guidnce, Full Circle, and Absnt Mind can inspire executives to reclaim the boyband/girlband legacy in the Western pop industry.
No shade, but companies like JYP and HYBE act like they’ve invented something groundbreaking with “K-pop training” in the U.S. and Japan, as seen with groups like NiziU, VCHA, KATSEYE, and NEXZ. However, the idol training system they’re using originated in the U.S. and Japan decades ago.
Let’s not forget how many groups in the 2000s and 2010s trained in cities like Los Angeles, Orlando, New York, or Tokyo. Music shows, a cornerstone of K-pop, were heavily inspired by MTV. Why else would MTV expand its format to Korea?
Groups like One Direction, Little Mix, Why Don’t We, and Fifth Harmony didn’t help much either. They emphasized being “authentic” but failed to realize that authenticity and cohesive branding aren’t mutually exclusive. Even rock bands managed to maintain individuality while still presenting as a unified group. Thankfully, groups like Little Mix figured this out and thrived.
Now, K-pop labels like HYBE and K-pop stans act as though K-pop is the next big thing globally. But the truth is, what’s missing from the music industry in general is pop music itself. Japan’s restricted music export policies and the U.S. neglecting its pop groups left a void that K-pop filled.
From what I’ve noticed (speaking as someone who’s followed this since I was 12), K-pop’s global success is largely due to marketing strategies that Western pop stars used to excel at. K-pop creates a sense of FOMO (fear of missing out), making people believe they're witnessing the next big thing-even if that isn’t always the case.
It’s also worth noting that K-pop often appropriates elements of Black culture and music to fuel its success. This is part of a broader marketing strategy to adapt what works in their domestic market, blend it with external influences (like J-pop or Afrobeat sounds), and then drop those influences once they achieve global success.
Meanwhile, the U.S. music industry stopped investing in cohesive, label-driven pop groups, preferring artists who could gain popularity “organically” while maintaining authenticity. Ironically, K-pop executives-heavily influenced by U.S. and J-pop A&Rs-invested in this exact system and turned it into a global phenomenon. At what point do we call it cultural colonization?
Called L-ctra Heart from Luigi and Eylectra Heart from Eylul and Biran Damla herself
Pri McDonald girl yeah all I ever wanted was another world I love this song I love Valley of the Dolls too
The Family Jewels is her best album. Love+ Fear also gets way too much hate lol.