ya, when it sounds wack af im just like "wtf is this nonsense-" it feels like a joke if it's bad.... Osteo sounds fine and slaps hard enough even with nerf so I do fine with it. but wack sounding guns really throw me off too. so i get you.
@whiteangel1111 sometimes the worse a gun sounds or feels, the more fun it is to play well with it. Generally speaking I agree with you, I have a difficult time using rapid fire pulses cause they feel rough to me
@@whiteangel1111this right here is why I couldn't stand using Midnight Coup back before we had random rolled guns. Everyone sung praises about the gun - and yes, it was amazing - however, I couldn't stand the sound of it and used literally any other gun over it.
I was very curious to know how much range it gave. Keep away is a valuable perk imo because if I get a higher stability roll I feel like keep away off sets that tad lower range stat. So this origin trait can help out if u get a bad barrel. I got only magazine options in 2nd slot so no range increase so this trait would put my range at 87
The issue with the gun is that it feels like your character doesn't bring the weapon all the way up to your face. It feels like the sight sits lower than it's supposed to. (if that makes sense)
I'd be pulling for Rangefinder + Fragile Focus on this SMG. Helps the zoom problem and range. Can't go wrong with more range. I'd rather have consistency then damage/RoF perks.
I got rangefinder target lock and I feel like rangefinder is about useless now but on this smg I feel like it gives that extra stickyness especially when I’m on that edge of max range I can hit shots but rangefinder isn’t what it use to be. Fragile focus is def one of the best smg perks imo
@@JH-vb1woRangefinder definitely isn't useless, but its definitely a lot worse. Like, i'd never take it over a range perk (like fragile focus), its exclusively more of a consistency perk now. Definitely better on some guns than others.
I was running with Adjudicator last weekend for a little bit, but got over 700 kills with it in trials this weekend. My roll is arrowhead break, accurized rounds, range mw, rangefinder and fragile focus. I think the off feel is the lower zoom which rangefinder takes care of. The extra zoom really helps control the weapon and I think is the way to run the gun. I like this smg more than unending just because the scope on unending is bulky.
I'd really love to see a video on Heal Clip weapons post patch, for both PvP and PvE. Just got a Parabellum with Heal Clip plus Adagio and I actually love it. Normally Adagio is just a trash perk that I instantly shard but I decided to give it a chance since I've been loving heal clip so much. The fact that it's a base 900rpm SMG means it actually feels quite nice with Adagio active, and you're constantly reloading after kills for heal clip anyway to keep it active basically all the time. Granted if I get the chance to try one with Frenzy I might simply like that better (particularly the reload speed buff) but since it's currently only a random world drop there's not a ton of ability to farm it. Kind of sad it can't roll Incandescent but with the artifact perks this season it's still quite strong for scorch anyway.
Subsistence with Onslaught CLEARS. It cuts through enemies in at-level activities like a hot knife through butter. I’ve killed every shadow thrall in the room before final boss in Prophecy in ONE MAG with this perk combo. It feels amazing.
i feel to many people think to much about the end game i have fallen in love with the adjudicator i got a subsistance onslought role and it is hella fun the gun feels amazing to me, now does this mean i will use it in GM's no offcores not for that i will optimize but if we are talking pretty much anything else then yeah in most cases i will use it if im feeling primary smg, basicly if you use it and you think"man this gun is fun" use it, if you think "nah i like this other one better" use the other gun, play what you find fun not what anyone tells you is the best
onslaught falls off on harder level content due to not being able to chain it well, ill be using onslaught for more general content and kinetic tremours if i wanna use ajudicator on something more difficult
my first one dropped with fragile focus/ dynamic sway/ flared magwell/ extended barrel and a range masterwork and i love this thing, been using it so much in comp recently
I got one with SB, Accurized, perpetual motion and fragile focus with a reload MW. I tested it in the first week of Guardian Games when all the matchmakings were still intact and it felt phenomenal (well, on Anomaly at least were we played). I am very happy with this thing - yes, a little more range and zoom would be nice, but I like the very clean scope and thanks to the reload MW, it isn’t as atrocious to refill.
First adjudicator i got was subsistence, kinetic tremors and this is the roll i wanted. I love kinetic tremors and im not too high on onslaught, it jus doesnt stay activated for long enough imo
I've actually got a perpetual motion, fragile focus roll with accurized rounds and corkscrew rifling with a reload masterwork. I gotta say, when everything lines up, it's super solid, it sprays down, its great for duels, etc. etc. etc. The issue I have with it is, as soon as you're slightly out of it's optimal range as soon as you hit that dark half of the mag, the duel skews in your opponents favor. I've lost quite a few duels where my thought process goes from easy kill - the gun's feeling weird - why can't my shots land? The weapon perk on this gun is a gamble that helps you; if you can finish the fight at a longer range, or need the extra damage on the lower end of the mag. A gamble you don't even have to worry about on other top tier SMGs. I picked up my old immortal after using this for a weekend only to realize how good old reliable felt.
I got hammer forged, accurized with perpetual motion and fragile focus. I have a range masterwork so I’m actually at 86 base range. Crossing over puts me at 96-91 and fragile keeps me at maxed out. I think perpetual motion was the key to making it feels smooth.
Aztecross, I’d suggest fluted barrel, considering the smg has terrible handling, and fluted also adds +5 stability. This makes the smg usable even without PK’s. Combine this with accurized, dynamic sway, onslaught, and a range MW, this thing feels extremely fluid, and still has that range at 76 range. I have this exact roll, and if you are interested in using it let me know.
I've been a bit disappointed with Onslaught across a few weapons since it's return. I really liked Breakneck bitd so I had to get one! Got a pretty damn good roll, started using it & it was fun for sure but when I accidentally transferred a Kinetic Tremors version & started using that? It feels like Kinetic Tremors pulls it's weight in more areas of the game than Onslaught.
It feels great with feeding frenzy + onslaught. Auto rifles benefit from onslaught so much more though. It feels like Adjudicator doesn’t have a special place in PvP or pve, but it isn’t bad at all. Great review
I think he might be right on this one. I have a dynamic sway TL adjudicator and it cooks from close range, but man does it have trouble reaching out to anybody whos not up in your face.
Got the god roll the first day it was out, first drop, and yet it’s been in my vault ever since, I’m tired of the smg meta and after going flawless I got myself a nice couple of summoners to play with
I've seen comments about it beeing higher up on the screen than other smgs. That it obscure the view more. Haven't played enough with it myself but pc players may get a better view by changing the sight to console version. It in settings ingame and it help Last Word gameplay on pc so it might help with this to.
Yeah I got dynamic sway and onslaught. I just wasn't feeling it in the crucible. I went right back to my undying tempest with Target lock and perpetual
I feel like overflow would’ve helped a lot alongside onslaught and target lock. At least for pve, especially since it would also help the origin trait. Onslaught would actually be able to keep going without worrying about wasting the timer by reloading although target lock wouldn’t get a huge upgrade since it works better with stuff like 4th times and triple tap
I’m got smallbore/full bore with accurized, dynamic sway and onslaught. Haven’t had a chance to try it yet but looking forward to it. Also have a subsistence/fragile focus that feels decent but deleted my kinetic tremor roll because I feel like I would rather use a breakneck with kinetic tremors. The other column perk wasn’t a good one though
Im enjoying my current adjudicator with perpetual and target lock, sure it got the nerf and all, but ive been enjoyijg it in the crucible. Its what brought me to the lighthouse last week. But i plan to farm for a rangefinder fragile or dynamic fragile.
Man I love the look of this gun, I just wish it was anything but a precision frame… I know we already have a lot of the other archetypes covered, but 600’s have never felt great to me (as far as smgs go)
Imo, yeah its awesome, but just like vow SMG are you really going to use that over a dps fusion kentic slot Or sunshot, polaris, risk runner and trinity And even then over succession and supremacy let alone using abilities like volatile or g lance Still love the gun but kentic low mags needs someone because it's hard to justify not using (soon) necrochasm, outbreak, quick silver even vow smg has overflow frenzy or bait and switch and is adept + craftable
Whoever is this new editor: thank you for keeping the old stat numbers and new stat numbers on screen at the same time. So much easier to follow along. Editor you’re a real MVP. :)
I urge anyone with a rangefinder roll to give it a chance, it's not mentioned here at all or in any other review i've seen but it really does affect the way the guns feels in a significant way. I've got rangefinder and onslaught and it just feels so unique, which is what I want from my guns. It's different to all other smg's which is sorely needed cause I am so bored 600's cause they're incredibly bland rn and I think adjudicator brings something that is so needed in pvp rn
16:05 Fragile focus is actually worse in this sandbox. Guardian shields have not changed but health increased by 30. Keep in mind that body shot damage is mostly the same (aside from hand cannons) but crit damage increased. It takes fewer bullets to break guardian shields, not more.
Personally I like this gun model better than others. Mida mini-tool is never leaving my inventory, but if I need a primary smg, I'm using this one. Unless I need stasis.
That's cause very rarely do people not get LIT UP INSTANTLY to be able to take advantage of such a perk. When there's better choices that are available for easy of use and consistency.
By the time your health drops you've already closed the distance of 1.5 or so meters that FF gives and even if you don't by the time you die they also die in this laggy mess of a game.@@Guile_The_Exile
I like using kinetic tremors on my pvp guns because woth the vhanges to body shot damage and my aim not being pinpoint. I tend to proc kinetic tremors which sometimes it helps at least to trade kills. I use it on showrumner
I agree the weapon feels a bit off, it feels like a year 1 weapon (which it is) trying to keep up with what we have now. For PVE I’m just simply not using this over an elemental SMG for subclass tie ins. For PVP nothing I’ve tried seems to work so this is going in the vault.
@16:34 that godly lightning grenade. it's been what, 10 years now? of trying to get lightning grenades to do what I want, and still it's wonky as hell lol
The gun model throws me off aswell. It almost feels like the sight or reticle is very low? I'm not a huge fan, but I think its a good weapon. I have a friend who loves the gun.
I really wish I could farm the weapons more. On my warlock I got nothing but armor for every encounter, I guess I can’t complain too much. I didn’t even know what I could get on my first run and I got a feeding frenzy onslaught adjudicator.
Yeah the slope on the ads and the lack of responsive recoil feedback throws me off to, it's like the gun is slowly pissing itself, does not feel good for me on PC
I got hammer forged, accurized, perpetual motion, and fragile focus with a stability masterwork. Only thing that would’ve made it better is a range masterwork.
Multimach is simply the better choice for PVE. Kinetic Tremors thrives with higher RPMs, and despite multi having no good 3rd row perks, it's just better. I'll also take the consistency of Field Tested over a measle 3% dmg buff for the second half of the mag any day
Hey Cross, can you talk about Huckleberry, namely that its Daito ornament definitely increases its zoom stat. It's doing fairly well in this new sandbox from my exdperience
I played a bit last night with Adjudicator and I agree, something just doesn't feel "right" with it, was able to get plenty of kills with it but just wasn't feeling it
I hate seeing Summoners everywhere. So I rock out the Edge of Concurrence to piss them off and it works😂 Once you get that special reload charge, thing one shots everything. EVERYTHING. Well and Bubble campers. Void Barricade campers as it can travel below the barricade. Which surprised me. A weapon I started to use for trolling became a weapon I actually began to use with my Bakris build. I'm never bringing it into trials, or maybe I will. We'll see.
Make a video about the sudden death I just got a slide shot opening shot roll and it’s the most consistent shotgun I’ve used and yes I got conditional finality
I think it feels weird because as you fire you lose range. And if it had tap the trigger instead of fragile focus to pair with dynamic sway I'd be sold for sure. But I will say so far I like it
I've seen ppl say range finder might be a great option for PVP. Because of low 13 zoom paired with either a damage perk or fragile focus. I've farm liked crazy and all I got was dynamic sway or perpetual motion on mine .
Rangefinder makes it a 14 zoom which makes it feel much better IMO. Enhanced rangefinder will also give it +5 to handling which is a nice little bonus. Personally I prefer my unending tempest with moving target and fragile focus. It hits 100 range, has more aa, has a faster straff, and intrinsically has 14 zoom so no need to give up a perk slot for 14 zoom.
"In a perfect world, if I had (all of the perks I got on Adjudicator on my very first run of Prophecy), OH!" Yeah a PERFECT roll is fantastic. Dynamic Sway Onslaught is 👌
I just can't make myself like the sights, if they change it that would be great. Same with the Multimac on the controller, it just doesn't feel right to me.
Small bore, acurized rounds, dynamic sway, fragile focus, handling masterwork sits at 73 range and with counterbalance hits 100 recoil direction. Huckleberry has 100%dmg buff rampage at three stacks and reloads on kills….
16:29 sorry but you are wrong here. We have the exact same amount of shields as before, but we have more health. It takes the same amount of damage as before to break a guardians shields.
pure speculation, but since these are all year 1 guns, maybe they all have some under the hood individual tuning like the ikelos smg did. wouldn't be surprised since they were made for trials.
I think Bungie giving all weapons introduced since last update (aka: when Final Shape should have been live) enhanced capabilities is no coincidence. Bungie is planning to make all weapons from Final Shape stand out to weapons from before in a way that makes majority of older weapons less viable (another version of sunsetting). I predict UGE weapon changes once Final Shape drops.
Nah, gun modeling plays a part in how well you aim as well. Like, a lotta people like thorn, but I can only use that Red Ornament it’s got if I wanna actually aim it properly in pvp. Something about its design always throws me off.
Recency bias got me hard with this gun. Thing was a monster ban in its day but shayura's is just better. Shayuras with tunnel vision and kill clip is an aimbot w crazy ttk
I really wouldn't mind a DS KC roll with like 70 range. Too bad. 16:18 that's what I have on my Unending tempest with DS, a ton of range, And it's a beast.
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The way guns look (and sound) affect how I perform with them. I felt that.
ya, when it sounds wack af im just like "wtf is this nonsense-"
it feels like a joke if it's bad....
Osteo sounds fine and slaps hard enough even with nerf so I do fine with it. but wack sounding guns really throw me off too. so i get you.
@whiteangel1111 sometimes the worse a gun sounds or feels, the more fun it is to play well with it. Generally speaking I agree with you, I have a difficult time using rapid fire pulses cause they feel rough to me
This is why I rarely use the cantata, that sfx hits like a wet noodle
@@whiteangel1111this right here is why I couldn't stand using Midnight Coup back before we had random rolled guns. Everyone sung praises about the gun - and yes, it was amazing - however, I couldn't stand the sound of it and used literally any other gun over it.
Crossing over gives +10 range at max or a minimum of +5 …Coolguy did a really detailed vid on it
I was very curious to know how much range it gave. Keep away is a valuable perk imo because if I get a higher stability roll I feel like keep away off sets that tad lower range stat. So this origin trait can help out if u get a bad barrel. I got only magazine options in 2nd slot so no range increase so this trait would put my range at 87
The issue with the gun is that it feels like your character doesn't bring the weapon all the way up to your face. It feels like the sight sits lower than it's supposed to. (if that makes sense)
ive shot real guns/bows and if someone's doing it like down by their hip like bro thats awkward af wth are you doing?
it just looks wrong.
He’s not it’s just the sight on it is really tall making it look like that but I kinda like it unique like that lol
I'd be pulling for Rangefinder + Fragile Focus on this SMG. Helps the zoom problem and range. Can't go wrong with more range. I'd rather have consistency then damage/RoF perks.
I got rangefinder target lock and I feel like rangefinder is about useless now but on this smg I feel like it gives that extra stickyness especially when I’m on that edge of max range I can hit shots but rangefinder isn’t what it use to be. Fragile focus is def one of the best smg perks imo
@@JH-vb1woRangefinder definitely isn't useless, but its definitely a lot worse.
Like, i'd never take it over a range perk (like fragile focus), its exclusively more of a consistency perk now. Definitely better on some guns than others.
Without DS it kinda sprays too wildly for me. Got rid of mine since I couldn't crit with it lower in the mag unless they're pretty close.
I got that exact roll the first day of the dungeon refresh and used it for 3 days and got 500 something pvp kills. I very much enjoy the roll
I was running with Adjudicator last weekend for a little bit, but got over 700 kills with it in trials this weekend. My roll is arrowhead break, accurized rounds, range mw, rangefinder and fragile focus. I think the off feel is the lower zoom which rangefinder takes care of. The extra zoom really helps control the weapon and I think is the way to run the gun. I like this smg more than unending just because the scope on unending is bulky.
I'd really love to see a video on Heal Clip weapons post patch, for both PvP and PvE.
Just got a Parabellum with Heal Clip plus Adagio and I actually love it. Normally Adagio is just a trash perk that I instantly shard but I decided to give it a chance since I've been loving heal clip so much. The fact that it's a base 900rpm SMG means it actually feels quite nice with Adagio active, and you're constantly reloading after kills for heal clip anyway to keep it active basically all the time. Granted if I get the chance to try one with Frenzy I might simply like that better (particularly the reload speed buff) but since it's currently only a random world drop there's not a ton of ability to farm it. Kind of sad it can't roll Incandescent but with the artifact perks this season it's still quite strong for scorch anyway.
Subsistence with Onslaught CLEARS. It cuts through enemies in at-level activities like a hot knife through butter. I’ve killed every shadow thrall in the room before final boss in Prophecy in ONE MAG with this perk combo. It feels amazing.
i feel to many people think to much about the end game i have fallen in love with the adjudicator i got a subsistance onslought role and it is hella fun the gun feels amazing to me, now does this mean i will use it in GM's no offcores not for that i will optimize but if we are talking pretty much anything else then yeah in most cases i will use it if im feeling primary smg, basicly if you use it and you think"man this gun is fun" use it, if you think "nah i like this other one better" use the other gun, play what you find fun not what anyone tells you is the best
I have a feeding frenzy onslaught adjudicator, it’s nuts
So do I, it was my first drop on the reset
onslaught falls off on harder level content due to not being able to chain it well, ill be using onslaught for more general content and kinetic tremours if i wanna use ajudicator on something more difficult
my first one dropped with fragile focus/ dynamic sway/ flared magwell/ extended barrel and a range masterwork and i love this thing, been using it so much in comp recently
I can't believe you didn't show the result of that 1v1 with Les
Oh? Do tell pls
the shouts to CoolGuy made my heart happy
I think a crafted submission is way better for a pve smg. Demolitionist or frenzy with souldrinker is just more valuable in pve
I got one with SB, Accurized, perpetual motion and fragile focus with a reload MW. I tested it in the first week of Guardian Games when all the matchmakings were still intact and it felt phenomenal (well, on Anomaly at least were we played). I am very happy with this thing - yes, a little more range and zoom would be nice, but I like the very clean scope and thanks to the reload MW, it isn’t as atrocious to refill.
I'm gonna be looking for an Onslaught + Feeding Frenzy + Alloy Magazine (0.9 second reload speed)
I got that roll for my only drop since it came out. It’s awesome
Definitely preference, I love this the smg. Took me flawless with perpetual motion fragile focus. Feels good to me.
First adjudicator i got was subsistence, kinetic tremors and this is the roll i wanted. I love kinetic tremors and im not too high on onslaught, it jus doesnt stay activated for long enough imo
Onslaught duration is piss poor but hopefully in final shape when enhanced onslaught it makes it more useful
I've actually got a perpetual motion, fragile focus roll with accurized rounds and corkscrew rifling with a reload masterwork. I gotta say, when everything lines up, it's super solid, it sprays down, its great for duels, etc. etc. etc.
The issue I have with it is, as soon as you're slightly out of it's optimal range as soon as you hit that dark half of the mag, the duel skews in your opponents favor. I've lost quite a few duels where my thought process goes from easy kill - the gun's feeling weird - why can't my shots land?
The weapon perk on this gun is a gamble that helps you; if you can finish the fight at a longer range, or need the extra damage on the lower end of the mag. A gamble you don't even have to worry about on other top tier SMGs. I picked up my old immortal after using this for a weekend only to realize how good old reliable felt.
I got a Feeding Frenzy/Frenzy roll and love it
Kinda pointless combo since frenzy by itself already gives 100 reload along w\ the 100 handling and 15% damage.
@@Mr_Ruhl yup...
@Mr_Ruhl Feeding frenzy has a reload animation scalar, it will still be faster at FFx1+ Frenzy vs Frenzy alone.
I got hammer forged, accurized with perpetual motion and fragile focus. I have a range masterwork so I’m actually at 86 base range. Crossing over puts me at 96-91 and fragile keeps me at maxed out. I think perpetual motion was the key to making it feels smooth.
Aztecross, I’d suggest fluted barrel, considering the smg has terrible handling, and fluted also adds +5 stability. This makes the smg usable even without PK’s. Combine this with accurized, dynamic sway, onslaught, and a range MW, this thing feels extremely fluid, and still has that range at 76 range. I have this exact roll, and if you are interested in using it let me know.
I've been a bit disappointed with Onslaught across a few weapons since it's return. I really liked Breakneck bitd so I had to get one! Got a pretty damn good roll, started using it & it was fun for sure but when I accidentally transferred a Kinetic Tremors version & started using that? It feels like Kinetic Tremors pulls it's weight in more areas of the game than Onslaught.
It feels great with feeding frenzy + onslaught. Auto rifles benefit from onslaught so much more though. It feels like Adjudicator doesn’t have a special place in PvP or pve, but it isn’t bad at all. Great review
I think he might be right on this one. I have a dynamic sway TL adjudicator and it cooks from close range, but man does it have trouble reaching out to anybody whos not up in your face.
Got the god roll the first day it was out, first drop, and yet it’s been in my vault ever since, I’m tired of the smg meta and after going flawless I got myself a nice couple of summoners to play with
I've seen comments about it beeing higher up on the screen than other smgs. That it obscure the view more. Haven't played enough with it myself but pc players may get a better view by changing the sight to console version. It in settings ingame and it help Last Word gameplay on pc so it might help with this to.
Got a max range with fragile and rangefinder. Feels great. Also using sprint grip as i run a lot and the movement speed of the gun is really sluggish.
I use a rangefinder/fragile focus roll, fixes zoom issue and you can challenge from so far with the gun
I really wanted to see if you made that comeback against Les 😭
Yeah I got dynamic sway and onslaught. I just wasn't feeling it in the crucible. I went right back to my undying tempest with Target lock and perpetual
"great video, much enjoyment" its only been out 44 seconds and i loved the whole thing
I feel like overflow would’ve helped a lot alongside onslaught and target lock. At least for pve, especially since it would also help the origin trait. Onslaught would actually be able to keep going without worrying about wasting the timer by reloading although target lock wouldn’t get a huge upgrade since it works better with stuff like 4th times and triple tap
I’m got smallbore/full bore with accurized, dynamic sway and onslaught. Haven’t had a chance to try it yet but looking forward to it. Also have a subsistence/fragile focus that feels decent but deleted my kinetic tremor roll because I feel like I would rather use a breakneck with kinetic tremors. The other column perk wasn’t a good one though
Im enjoying my current adjudicator with perpetual and target lock, sure it got the nerf and all, but ive been enjoyijg it in the crucible. Its what brought me to the lighthouse last week.
But i plan to farm for a rangefinder fragile or dynamic fragile.
Man I love the look of this gun, I just wish it was anything but a precision frame… I know we already have a lot of the other archetypes covered, but 600’s have never felt great to me (as far as smgs go)
Imo, yeah its awesome, but just like vow SMG
are you really going to use that over a dps fusion kentic slot
Or sunshot, polaris, risk runner and trinity
And even then over succession and supremacy let alone using abilities like volatile or g lance
Still love the gun but kentic low mags needs someone because it's hard to justify not using (soon) necrochasm, outbreak, quick silver even vow smg has overflow frenzy or bait and switch and is adept + craftable
Whoever is this new editor: thank you for keeping the old stat numbers and new stat numbers on screen at the same time. So much easier to follow along. Editor you’re a real MVP. :)
I urge anyone with a rangefinder roll to give it a chance, it's not mentioned here at all or in any other review i've seen but it really does affect the way the guns feels in a significant way. I've got rangefinder and onslaught and it just feels so unique, which is what I want from my guns. It's different to all other smg's which is sorely needed cause I am so bored 600's cause they're incredibly bland rn and I think adjudicator brings something that is so needed in pvp rn
along with the HC and the shotgun, this smg is one of the best looking from the prophecy/trials of the nine weapons
16:05 Fragile focus is actually worse in this sandbox. Guardian shields have not changed but health increased by 30. Keep in mind that body shot damage is mostly the same (aside from hand cannons) but crit damage increased. It takes fewer bullets to break guardian shields, not more.
Enhanced onslaught 100% needs to increase duration. Also curious how enhancing these guns is going to work for adepts that have double perks
Personally I like this gun model better than others. Mida mini-tool is never leaving my inventory, but if I need a primary smg, I'm using this one. Unless I need stasis.
My heart hurts not seeing the end of that comeback in the 1v1 with les at the end.
Glad to see Cross bring up fragile focus. It gets slept on a lot.
Unending tempest I use dynamic sway fragile focus and it pushes it close to 100 range
That's cause very rarely do people not get LIT UP INSTANTLY to be able to take advantage of such a perk. When there's better choices that are available for easy of use and consistency.
@@Guile_The_Exile Sounds like a situational awareness issue.
@@st0nedpenguinI agree and wanted to say I respect you giving a real response that isn’t just “lol skill issue”
By the time your health drops you've already closed the distance of 1.5 or so meters that FF gives and even if you don't by the time you die they also die in this laggy mess of a game.@@Guile_The_Exile
I like using kinetic tremors on my pvp guns because woth the vhanges to body shot damage and my aim not being pinpoint. I tend to proc kinetic tremors which sometimes it helps at least to trade kills. I use it on showrumner
Enhanced Kinetic Tremors allows for it to proc in less bullets. Will that move the needle on ttk?
I agree the weapon feels a bit off, it feels like a year 1 weapon (which it is) trying to keep up with what we have now.
For PVE I’m just simply not using this over an elemental SMG for subclass tie ins. For PVP nothing I’ve tried seems to work so this is going in the vault.
@16:34 that godly lightning grenade. it's been what, 10 years now? of trying to get lightning grenades to do what I want, and still it's wonky as hell lol
I doubt it’s the shape of the weapon but the zoom that’s throwing you off. I think rangefinder might be the way to go.
Ive got a dynamic sway/fragile focus roll thats been tearing ass for me in cruc, would definitely recommend it for
anybody who wants to farm box
I got a rangefinder and fragile focus roll. It's sick. Also a feeding frenzy and fragile focus. It's good
I got a rangefinder fragile focus roll, I'll. Give it a shot
Idk if its just me but it feels/ looks really thin and when aiming down sights it messes me up. Gotta play with it more.
The gun model throws me off aswell. It almost feels like the sight or reticle is very low? I'm not a huge fan, but I think its a good weapon. I have a friend who loves the gun.
I really wish I could farm the weapons more. On my warlock I got nothing but armor for every encounter, I guess I can’t complain too much. I didn’t even know what I could get on my first run and I got a feeding frenzy onslaught adjudicator.
Cool to shoutout CoolGuy. Great content creator.
And what about the parabellum smg? with the buff to heal clip is very good now, is a good alternative to the calus minitool :)
Yeah the slope on the ads and the lack of responsive recoil feedback throws me off to, it's like the gun is slowly pissing itself, does not feel good for me on PC
Substance is Nasty flared magwell makes it feel better . Could be better but in 6s it's still nasty with onslaught
I got hammer forged, accurized, perpetual motion, and fragile focus with a stability masterwork. Only thing that would’ve made it better is a range masterwork.
Mu subsistence fragile focus roll has fullbore. 80 range so w fragile focus prok'd it's 100 all the time and it's NICE in pvp
Multimach is simply the better choice for PVE. Kinetic Tremors thrives with higher RPMs, and despite multi having no good 3rd row perks, it's just better. I'll also take the consistency of Field Tested over a measle 3% dmg buff for the second half of the mag any day
Hey Cross, can you talk about Huckleberry, namely that its Daito ornament definitely increases its zoom stat. It's doing fairly well in this new sandbox from my exdperience
it literally doesn’t increase the zoom, get those eyes checked
I played a bit last night with Adjudicator and I agree, something just doesn't feel "right" with it, was able to get plenty of kills with it but just wasn't feeling it
I literally feel the exact same way about this SMG it just doesn’t feel right, and that’s all that matters. You should use what you like
I hate seeing Summoners everywhere. So I rock out the Edge of Concurrence to piss them off and it works😂
Once you get that special reload charge, thing one shots everything. EVERYTHING. Well and Bubble campers. Void Barricade campers as it can travel below the barricade.
Which surprised me. A weapon I started to use for trolling became a weapon I actually began to use with my Bakris build.
I'm never bringing it into trials, or maybe I will. We'll see.
Will we be able to change its barrels and such as well or just the traits?
Is rangefinder/ fragile fous worth keeping?
Make a video about the sudden death I just got a slide shot opening shot roll and it’s the most consistent shotgun I’ve used and yes I got conditional finality
I think it feels weird because as you fire you lose range. And if it had tap the trigger instead of fragile focus to pair with dynamic sway I'd be sold for sure. But I will say so far I like it
I just got a rangefinder/onslaught, needs more stability but it’s nice.
thats how i feel about the suros adaptive 900 smgs
I rock peacekeepers with duel smg’s in Crucible and this smg slays
Interesting! That’s a wild boy loadout but makes more sense than ever after special nerfs. What’s your second smg?
I got the exact roll you suggested for pvp as my first roll. It's just OK imo, would much rather use almost any of the other pvp smgs over it.
I used it once in trials last week and immediately poot it back due to the scope look.
I'm guessing enhancing onslaught would probably just extend the timer and maybe up the reload speed.
I've seen ppl say range finder might be a great option for PVP. Because of low 13 zoom paired with either a damage perk or fragile focus. I've farm liked crazy and all I got was dynamic sway or perpetual motion on mine .
Rangefinder makes it a 14 zoom which makes it feel much better IMO. Enhanced rangefinder will also give it +5 to handling which is a nice little bonus. Personally I prefer my unending tempest with moving target and fragile focus. It hits 100 range, has more aa, has a faster straff, and intrinsically has 14 zoom so no need to give up a perk slot for 14 zoom.
"In a perfect world, if I had (all of the perks I got on Adjudicator on my very first run of Prophecy), OH!"
Yeah a PERFECT roll is fantastic. Dynamic Sway Onslaught is 👌
I just can't make myself like the sights, if they change it that would be great. Same with the Multimac on the controller, it just doesn't feel right to me.
I personally like unending tempest. And I despise precision smgs compared to light weights, adaptives even, and aggressives.
I feel that awkwardness with relentless idk. If it's the Zoom or the scope, it just does not feel like a typical high impact
When arte the enhanced traits coming to the game
And most importantly, how do I get em?
For some reason, the gun feels off for me personally. I prefer my old reliable, Friction Fire SMG.
I got Tremor+Sub and works fine but yes, the slow reloading speed is really bad.
With how Adjudicator looks it seems like a space age cross between and Uzi and a P90.
I feel the same using the gun it just feels weird… I don’t know if it’s the model.. or the sight..? I dunno but it’s strange
I got 555 kills with this in trials last weekend, I'm loving it
What's your roll?
@@stanley3803 arrowhead, flared Magwell, dynamic sway, onslaught with handling mw
I love Enyo-D. I just wish its stats weren’t so rough.
Review the Darkest Before pulse rifle. It slaps with heal clip and kill clip.
Would of loved if they made this smg strand and gave it firefly also
Imagine firefly with hatchling
Can you farm it this week?
Small bore, acurized rounds, dynamic sway, fragile focus, handling masterwork sits at 73 range and with counterbalance hits 100 recoil direction.
Huckleberry has 100%dmg buff rampage at three stacks and reloads on kills….
16:29 sorry but you are wrong here. We have the exact same amount of shields as before, but we have more health. It takes the same amount of damage as before to break a guardians shields.
The title with repulser brace and disablilizing rounds on briarbinds warlock must try
pure speculation, but since these are all year 1 guns, maybe they all have some under the hood individual tuning like the ikelos smg did. wouldn't be surprised since they were made for trials.
I think Bungie giving all weapons introduced since last update (aka: when Final Shape should have been live) enhanced capabilities is no coincidence. Bungie is planning to make all weapons from Final Shape stand out to weapons from before in a way that makes majority of older weapons less viable (another version of sunsetting). I predict UGE weapon changes once Final Shape drops.
Nah, gun modeling plays a part in how well you aim as well.
Like, a lotta people like thorn, but I can only use that Red Ornament it’s got if I wanna actually aim it properly in pvp.
Something about its design always throws me off.
Recency bias got me hard with this gun. Thing was a monster ban in its day but shayura's is just better. Shayuras with tunnel vision and kill clip is an aimbot w crazy ttk
I really wouldn't mind a DS KC roll with like 70 range. Too bad.
16:18 that's what I have on my Unending tempest with DS, a ton of range, And it's a beast.