I have been a "trinitarian" Christian for 50 years, College and Seminary educated, Doctorates etc, a full-time missionary for over 2 decades, and in December of 2020, the Almighty opened my eyes when I was exposed to His Shema. I am enjoying this site very much. But as I have seen everywhere else I have been, there is a resistance to the Almighty's absolute sovereignty (notice the "going too far" in this excellent message.) It might be because Calvin, an "incomplete reformer" identified and emphasized it. I consider myself what you might call a "sovereignist", or a "biblicist." In another sense, I strive to be a pure "scripturalist." Keep up this fantastic work!
After 50 years here, too. Decided a few years ago, that if I couldn't explain to a Jew, who God is in the New Covenant, then God has changed. The Trinity collapsed in on itself.
Wonderful job Dan, a great presentation and very well executed. You have provided me with the tools to defend my Unitarian position - some listen, some don't! Actually it had been my experience those in a Trinitarian church don't listen [with an open mind] as opposed to those who are not so self-righteous or super religious. Basically meaning the majority who grew up placing their faith in centuries old- creeds and doctrines and their Trinitarian pastors and bible study teachers. I have found, I am sure as you have, they are so indoctrinated it is like trying to get through a brick wall. Keep up all the good work!
Thanks again brother Dan for that talk. It’s refreshing to hear more about notional/conceptual preexistence over the ridiculous teaching of literal preexistence. God bless
Oh God our Father, let this message be heard across the globe. Only you can open the eyes and ears of men and women to truly know Jesus. Thank you Father for fulfilling your promise in the Garden to use the 'Seed of the Woman' to bring victory through our Savior Jesus the Messiah.
This is what I say when God said let Us make them in Our Image! God knowing that they would all be in the image of himself therefore calling them Us!! Bingo!! 👍🏻🙏🏼😇
I literally just watched this video to see his explanation of Philippians 2: 5 -11, but he didn't even bring it up...seems a little convenient to me. "5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men." Does any have a reference?
Hey Dulcet - He has written an article on Phil. 2:5-11 that helped me, and there is some video stuff on it as well. You can find all of that on their website.
You are ignoring to think about the fifth verse. "Let this mind be in you, which is also in Christ." We are supposed to think we are God? What would that have to mean if Jesus is God Himself? What would John 17 mean if Jesus was God Himself? It would imply all men are God Himself. But no, read the Greek, it is very clear. "Who was in the form of God - not as something to be grasped considered equal with God." He was in God's form/logos, not in the void of creation, but not equal to God, a predetermined Man within Him and His Plan.
TITUS 3 [4] But after that the kindness and love of *God our Saviour* toward man appeared, [5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; [6] Which he shed on us abundantly through *Jesus Christ our Saviour;* There's only one Saviour.
2 Kings 13:1-10, Jehoazah is called a saviour. Nehemiah 9:27 states that Israel was given saviours. Plural... Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.
Yahweh is the only saviour, many verses will confirm this. But He can make ANYONE He chooses to be a saviour, delivering His salvation for the time and circumstances He desires to provide. Luke 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Yahweh) Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (A saviour, not the Saviour) In the context of our eternal salvation (from death) the Messiah is the saviour provided us from THE Saviour, Yahweh.
@@bobok5566 1 Timothy 1:1 "God our Saviour" 1 Timothy 2:3 "God our Saviour" 2 Timothy 1:10 "our Saviour Jesus Christ" Titus 1:3 "God our Saviour" Titus 1:4 "the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour" Titus 2:10 "God our Saviour" Titus 2:13 "our Saviour Jesus Christ" Titus 3:4 "God our Saviour" Titus 3:6 "Jesus Christ our Saviour" 2 Peter 1:1 "our Saviour Jesus Christ" Jude 1:25 "God our Saviour" There's only one "our Saviour" - the root AND the offspring of David.
Jesus is firstborn over the new creation, firstborn from the dead. God called Israel his firstborn. Being the first born can mean in rank in the scriptures.
You are arguing against the pre-existence of CHRIST by saying that "only God is immortal," when the scripture says OF CHRIST "... who ONLY hath immortality." You seem to be conflating "Christ" with "Jesus." Kind of like those who hold to the doctrine of the Trinity seem to conflate "the Word" with "the Son." They say it was "God the Son" that was "made flesh," instead of recognizing that it was "the Word" that was made flesh, and "the Word" being "made flesh" IS "the Son of God." The WORD of God is the "incorruptible SEED" by which the "sons of God," are birthed. (That is why Paul used Mary and the virgin birth of Jesus as a figure for the Church, in whom Christ is to be formed.) Christ pre-existed Jesus, as Christ is the anointing of the Sprit that comes from God, who is Spirit. No? And the Prophets of old prophesies BY "the spirit of Christ which was in them." No? "Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. "(1Pe 1:9-11) You seem to really be arguing against the pre-existence of "Jesus," not the pre-existence of "Christ," as the title suggests. Hope I am understanding that correctly. :) EDITED IN: I just looked up 1Ti 6:16 and it appears that you are correct is applying that to God. But I think the rest of my comments are still valid in relation to that "anointing" which comes FROM GOD and is not reserved for only Jesus, the Messiah/Christ.
You seem to have a unitary focus on proving whether Christ is God. So, explain to me what exactly what are you attempting to do. What is the importance and focus of your message. You talk about things being very confusing and you are quite right.
I believe they are confusing primarely because our leaders and teachers in Trinitarian Christianity have make them confusing to a great extent. Especially that Jesus is the one true God. Question: If you had Never heard of the word Trinity that Jesus was God, would you conclude such just from reading your Bible?? Be honest with yourself! Think about it.
Who was the LORD here?___ 16 And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. 17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; 18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. 20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. 22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes. 27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes: 28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it. 29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty’s sake. 30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. 31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty’s sake. 32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten’s sake. 33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. 27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD: 28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace. 29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Keep reading, don't just copypaste what your elder told you. "I do not my will but the will of my Father who sent me." "To my God and your God, to my Father and your Father." "do not worship me, only Worship God." I am going to do what Jesus said in the truth and the way and the light.
My experience in THIS UNIVERSE=The Holy Spirit tells me: It doesn't matter if life started in our solar system. Cogito ergo sum tells me that The Spirit can exist with the Laws of Physics particular to this Universe. Extinction level events are very very probable (like the FLOOD). If a planet is in favourable, stable zone, life once started, will develop memory, memory will develop survival skills, survival skills will translate into intelligent beings, intelligence will be transmitted to subsequent generations, the sum of Wisdom in an intelligent being (let us call this animal PANGOLIN) will become a CODE of survival. In a CRISIS the survivors that remember the CODE will survive. And the survival code will turn into religious observance. Where am I wrong? Help!
Is it really going to far to say God "made us" believe? Why? Because it undercuts our achievement? This is the problem with teaching against the salvation of all in the dispensation of the fulness of times. We only choose because we have been chosen. Its ok to teach those gathered together against our Lord in Acts4 did so in accordance with the beforehand determined hand of God. That's what it says! It's ok to teach those ordained to "eonian" life in Acts13 believed. That's what it says!
21st Century reformation, Paul did teach the preeminence of Jesus. You problem is, you don't know the Bible. Phil 2: 5--6. Although Jesus is eternally God, (The word who became flesh), He didn't think it was robbery to be equal with God, (The Father). But He emptied Himself of His Godly atrobutes and took on the form of a servant. So Bible and the Biblical Hebrew and Greek proves the trinity, but because you are blinded by the spirit of antichrist that's in you, you can't see it. You don't even know that the Bible says those who deny the Father AND the Son as two distinct persons in the ONE God, are unsaved antichrist's, so you are an unsaved antichrist, and that's a Biblical fact.
There are only verses that talk about him existing as a plan/word of God. I am here because I found people who have the same belief, and I am sure I am not the only one. I never once thought that Jesus was God until someone tried to tell me that doctrine of man, and I tried to see it, but it simply isn't there. Christ is the high priest, king of Israel, our brother. Not once is he explicitly called God, and not once does he not deny worship. John 17, read carefully and clearly. If Jesus is God, all men are God. Oneness is not equivalence, it is unity.
I have been a "trinitarian" Christian for 50 years, College and Seminary educated, Doctorates etc, a full-time missionary for over 2 decades, and in December of 2020, the Almighty opened my eyes when I was exposed to His Shema. I am enjoying this site very much. But as I have seen everywhere else I have been, there is a resistance to the Almighty's absolute sovereignty (notice the "going too far" in this excellent message.) It might be because Calvin, an "incomplete reformer" identified and emphasized it. I consider myself what you might call a "sovereignist", or a "biblicist." In another sense, I strive to be a pure "scripturalist." Keep up this fantastic work!
After 50 years here, too. Decided a few years ago, that if I couldn't explain to a Jew, who God is in the New Covenant, then God has changed. The Trinity collapsed in on itself.
@@SSNBN777 Amen!!! HallelYAH!!!!
You won’t be popular but you are right-and you are helping Gods people
Wonderful job Dan, a great presentation and very well executed. You have provided me with the tools to defend my Unitarian position - some listen, some don't! Actually it had been my experience those in a Trinitarian church don't listen [with an open mind] as opposed to those who are not so self-righteous or super religious. Basically meaning the majority who grew up placing their faith in centuries old- creeds and doctrines and their Trinitarian pastors and bible study teachers. I have found, I am sure as you have, they are so indoctrinated it is like trying to get through a brick wall. Keep up all the good work!
Thanks again brother Dan for that talk. It’s refreshing to hear more about notional/conceptual preexistence over the ridiculous teaching of literal preexistence. God bless
you are on fire Dan--shine on
Oh God our Father, let this message be heard across the globe. Only you can open the eyes and ears of men and women to truly know Jesus. Thank you Father for fulfilling your promise in the Garden to use the 'Seed of the Woman' to bring victory through our Savior Jesus the Messiah.
In Yeshua's name, Amen!
Great teaching-please don’t Stop 🙏😀😀❤️
This is what I say when God said let Us make them in Our Image! God knowing that they would all be in the image of himself therefore calling them Us!! Bingo!! 👍🏻🙏🏼😇
"I don't know how all this got started... actually I do: we have the history" 🤣🤣
Very informative.
I literally just watched this video to see his explanation of Philippians 2: 5 -11, but he didn't even bring it up...seems a little convenient to me.
"5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men."
Does any have a reference?
Hey Dulcet - He has written an article on Phil. 2:5-11 that helped me, and there is some video stuff on it as well. You can find all of that on their website.
I would start with a translation closer to the original as well
You are ignoring to think about the fifth verse. "Let this mind be in you, which is also in Christ."
We are supposed to think we are God?
What would that have to mean if Jesus is God Himself?
What would John 17 mean if Jesus was God Himself?
It would imply all men are God Himself.
But no, read the Greek, it is very clear.
"Who was in the form of God - not as something to be grasped considered equal with God."
He was in God's form/logos, not in the void of creation, but not equal to God, a predetermined Man within Him and His Plan.
right on
You shall know the truth
TITUS 3
[4] But after that the kindness and love of *God our Saviour* toward man appeared,
[5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[6] Which he shed on us abundantly through *Jesus Christ our Saviour;*
There's only one Saviour.
2 Kings 13:1-10, Jehoazah is called a saviour.
Nehemiah 9:27 states that Israel was given saviours. Plural...
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.
Yahweh is the only saviour, many verses will confirm this. But He can make ANYONE He chooses to be a saviour, delivering His salvation for the time and circumstances He desires to provide.
Luke 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Yahweh)
Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (A saviour, not the Saviour)
In the context of our eternal salvation (from death) the Messiah is the saviour provided us from THE Saviour, Yahweh.
@@bobok5566
1 Timothy 1:1 "God our Saviour"
1 Timothy 2:3 "God our Saviour"
2 Timothy 1:10 "our Saviour Jesus Christ"
Titus 1:3 "God our Saviour"
Titus 1:4 "the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour"
Titus 2:10 "God our Saviour"
Titus 2:13 "our Saviour Jesus Christ"
Titus 3:4 "God our Saviour"
Titus 3:6 "Jesus Christ our Saviour"
2 Peter 1:1 "our Saviour Jesus Christ"
Jude 1:25 "God our Saviour"
There's only one "our Saviour" - the root AND the offspring of David.
@@bobok5566 Well stated .
What about Jesus being firstborn over all creation.
In God s plan he is!
Jesus is firstborn over the new creation, firstborn from the dead. God called Israel his firstborn. Being the first born can mean in rank in the scriptures.
What about john 1.1 and john 3.16
Hey Mats - He did this session particularly about Paul. there are four other sessions and You should watch the two on John.
You are arguing against the pre-existence of CHRIST by saying that "only God is immortal," when the scripture says OF CHRIST "... who ONLY hath immortality." You seem to be conflating "Christ" with "Jesus." Kind of like those who hold to the doctrine of the Trinity seem to conflate "the Word" with "the Son." They say it was "God the Son" that was "made flesh," instead of recognizing that it was "the Word" that was made flesh, and "the Word" being "made flesh" IS "the Son of God." The WORD of God is the "incorruptible SEED" by which the "sons of God," are birthed. (That is why Paul used Mary and the virgin birth of Jesus as a figure for the Church, in whom Christ is to be formed.)
Christ pre-existed Jesus, as Christ is the anointing of the Sprit that comes from God, who is Spirit. No? And the Prophets of old prophesies BY "the spirit of Christ which was in them." No? "Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. "(1Pe 1:9-11)
You seem to really be arguing against the pre-existence of "Jesus," not the pre-existence of "Christ," as the title suggests. Hope I am understanding that correctly. :)
EDITED IN: I just looked up 1Ti 6:16 and it appears that you are correct is applying that to God. But I think the rest of my comments are still valid in relation to that "anointing" which comes FROM GOD and is not reserved for only Jesus, the Messiah/Christ.
You seem to have a unitary focus on proving whether Christ is God. So, explain to me what exactly what are you attempting to do. What is the importance and focus of your message. You talk about things being very confusing and you are quite right.
I believe they are confusing primarely because our leaders and teachers in Trinitarian Christianity have make them confusing to a great extent. Especially that Jesus is the one true God. Question: If you had Never heard of the word Trinity that Jesus was God, would you conclude such just from reading your Bible?? Be honest with yourself! Think about it.
Who was the LORD here?___ 16 And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. 22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes. 27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes: 28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it. 29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty’s sake. 30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. 31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty’s sake. 32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten’s sake. 33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD: 28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.
29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Keep reading, don't just copypaste what your elder told you. "I do not my will but the will of my Father who sent me."
"To my God and your God, to my Father and your Father."
"do not worship me, only Worship God."
I am going to do what Jesus said in the truth and the way and the light.
My experience in THIS UNIVERSE=The Holy Spirit tells me: It doesn't matter if life started in our solar system. Cogito ergo sum tells me that The Spirit can exist with the Laws of Physics particular to this Universe. Extinction level events are very very probable (like the FLOOD). If a planet is in favourable, stable zone, life once started, will develop memory, memory will develop survival skills, survival skills will translate into intelligent beings, intelligence will be transmitted to subsequent generations, the sum of Wisdom in an intelligent being (let us call this animal PANGOLIN) will become a CODE of survival. In a CRISIS the survivors that remember the CODE will survive. And the survival code will turn into religious observance. Where am I wrong? Help!
I don't know if you are right or wrong....because I don't understand barely what you have posted. But it does sound impresssive!!
Is it really going to far to say God "made us" believe? Why? Because it undercuts our achievement? This is the problem with teaching against the salvation of all in the dispensation of the fulness of times. We only choose because we have been chosen. Its ok to teach those gathered together against our Lord in Acts4 did so in accordance with the beforehand determined hand of God. That's what it says! It's ok to teach those ordained to "eonian" life in Acts13 believed. That's what it says!
21st Century reformation, Paul did teach the preeminence of Jesus. You problem is, you don't know the Bible.
Phil 2: 5--6.
Although Jesus is eternally God, (The word who became flesh), He didn't think it was robbery to be equal with
God, (The Father).
But He emptied Himself of His Godly atrobutes and took on the form of a servant.
So Bible and the Biblical Hebrew and Greek proves the trinity, but because you are blinded by the spirit of antichrist that's in you, you can't see it.
You don't even know that the Bible says those who deny the Father AND the Son as two distinct persons in the ONE God, are unsaved antichrist's, so you are an unsaved antichrist, and that's a Biblical fact.
You cant just throw out other verses that talk about hes pre existens. You just make up your own belief this is just why you dont follow a man.
There are only verses that talk about him existing as a plan/word of God.
I am here because I found people who have the same belief, and I am sure I am not the only one.
I never once thought that Jesus was God until someone tried to tell me that doctrine of man, and I tried to see it, but it simply isn't there. Christ is the high priest, king of Israel, our brother. Not once is he explicitly called God, and not once does he not deny worship.
John 17, read carefully and clearly. If Jesus is God, all men are God. Oneness is not equivalence, it is unity.
All you have to do is read isaiah chapters 40-46 to know Jesus is God.
Read it
NO !Why did the scriptures says that the lamb was slayed before the foundation of the world?
You don"t say. Why don't you read John 3:16 and thousands of other verses in the NT CLEARLY differentiating Jesus from God the father.