Colombian 7.62mm NATO M1 Garand Conversion
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After World War Two, Colombia adopted the .30-06 cartridge as standard, purchasing a thousand .30-06 FN49 rifles and 19,000 surplus American M1 Garand rifles. With the subsequent development of the 7.62mm NATO cartridge, Colombia experimented briefly with converting their existing Garand rifles to the new NATO round. In 1990 a large batch of Colombian surplus arms was purchased by Springfield Sporters, and it included 12 Garand’s converted to 7.62mm. The conversion was done by cutting about a half inch off the chamber end of the barrel and cutting a new 7.62x51mm chamber. The handguards, stocks, and operating rods were cut down by the same amount, allowing the use of the existing gas port. In addition, the stock and hand guard were drilled with a pattern of quarter inch holes, to provide visual and tactile indications that the rifle was no longer in its original caliber. Clearly this conversion was not deemed efficient enough to adopt en masse, as only this small batch of test rifles has been seen.
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Many Colombian vets would have had experience with the Garand by the time the country purchased some from the US. Colombia sent an expeditionary force to fight in the Korean War. They were under the command of US forces and were equipped with Garands and other US hardware.
Nice rifle
That’s for sure. I could guess many of those m1 in stock were from the Korean War.
Perfect Spanish accent Ian! '' industria militar''. You do a great job preparing this videos. I enjoyed them a lot! BEST WISHES FROM Guatemala!
These are speed holes... They make the gun shoot faster.
You want my advice I think you should buy this gun
Exactly it can shoot 100,000 rounds a minute with this easy modification. WE MUST BAN ALL GUNS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS, think of the children
But can it use them newfangled heat seeking bullets?
They gotta ad 50 horsepower at least
They turn it into a Super AR500MM Death Machine the MM stands for Must Massacre it ought to be banned!!😃😃😃
I was pleased to see you abort your plan to push down on the follower at 6:10 to remove the snap-cap, thus avoiding an embarrassing M1 finger on camera. :-)
I thought Ian's plan was to flip and violently shake gun off camera
Yeah, like Ian would have been noob enough to have left the bolt sitting against the follower.
Gun Jesus' Will be done
If that happened he'd edit that part out, but you'd be tipped off by the blood stained bandage suddenly appearing in his finger.
That is a cool piece of Garand history. Of course, Italy converted Garands to 7.62NATO in a highly successful way. You can get 7.62NATO (.308) Garands from the CMP as well. I built a match M1 in .308 last year. Amazing gun, even after all these years.
we in Denmark had Italien convention M1 7.62 NATO untill 1999 in some training regiment's
Gevaer m/50
I confirm from Italy. Beretta and Breda trans forme di M1 from 30.06 into 7,62x51. more d’Italia on Wikipedia in italian. Nuova Jager in Italy today sella that vero kind stuff
Man, I wish I had the money to get this thing. Being Colombian-born and a gun nut, this would be a cool ass rifle to own.
Am Colombian and I have admired the M1 Garand because of its beautiful design and its historic weight of course I never have fired guns but I love we have some history with this iconic rifle. 😍
As long as it goes ping, I don't care what round it shoots
There is a GS in Pennsylvania named Shufflin who does conversions to 7.62 NATO. He's still around. He also does a whole refurbish on your weapon, changes worn parts, new barrels, parkerizing etc. Great work.
@On 2Wheels Sweet :)
Although I'm not ethnically Colombian. I did have a great grandfather from Spain immigrate there, because getting into the US during the late 1800s- early 1900s was a lot harder, because of the dislike for Catholics. He would then have my grandfather with some Spanish woman he brought over, and then they both would go back to Spain, never to be seen again. Instead he left my grandfather there as a child to be raised by some native woman who would be his nanny. He did leave a small plantation with other buildings that he purchased to my grandfather. Then my granfather would get older and immigrate to New York, USA during the late 1920s. He opened several businesses, then he had my dad with an Italian woman. My dad would run several of my grandads businesses until they had a spilling out with each other. Then my dad moved to the mid-west and met my mom, who was part Swiss and part English. Her family can be traced back before the revolution, she's got papers on how her ancestors fought in French+Indian wars for the English side.
6:05 "Okay, that's just where that lives now."
im colombian and i never heard anything about that gun
Pues esta pendejo
All the cool kids were using 7.62 NATO. Hehehe...
Ah qué chimba parce.
mera cuca
I am but a simple Colombian, I see Colombia, I give a like
I am but a simple American, when I see a Garand, I give a like.
When I see Columbian coffee, I take a sip 👍
@@steakwilliams4448 "COLOMBIAN coffe" dude, I'm not even from Colombia, but why write it wrong? Imagine the US beign called "Unity Estates of Amerika", that would trigger a lot of redenecks for sure
Solid spanish pronunciation if I may say, never knew about this colombian conversion, cool stuff. Greetings from Uruguay!
@@NicolasPetrali93 I doubt that was intentionally misspelled since his comment was one of solidarity and kinship. Not only is it pronounced that way in English, we have many towns/cities named Columbia/Columbus. The nation Colombia and those towns are all named after Christopher ColUmbus.
@@NicolasPetrali93 lol I didnt even catch that. My auto correct spelled it that way so its probably referring to a different coffee. Thanks for the reply, Nicholas!
The same exact conversion was carried out by Italians.
There was a T1, some say tipo 1, some Terni arsenal 1, that has some Garand rebarreled. But new barrels are expensive.
So The T2 came out with the exact same gimmick: cut 12mm at the chamber end, rework the feeding ramp and external thread to screw back with proper headspace for 7,62x51, chop some wood and the tip of the piston.
Those are usually marked on the operating rod as "7,62mm / 2", the / 2 means conversion by method 2, old barrel cut.
Both WWII era US made rifles and italian made post war garands got the same chop conversion and were in service 'till the 90s, usually in basic training.
I imagine the armorers converting the rifles like: "You want me to convert that... AGAIN??"
Ian, the "R" mark is "Reformado", just as it is in the Rebuilt 7mm Mauser Rifles
"R. FaMaGe" the Fabrica Materiales de Guerra", the Former name of Indumil.
74 is the year of rebuilding.
Good expose' of a very rare Rifle.
Doc AV
Well i have a (almost) one of those. A m1 garand tanker in 762 nato. Great little gun and much easier to carry with the 16in barrel and lighter for a short fella like me. Never knew there was such a thing till i walked by it at a gun show a it followed me home. Plus was finally able to satisfy my garand itch without adding another new caliber to my collection. Hehe
16 inch Garand in .308 must have a hell of a concussion blast when you shoot it. Would imagine it kicking like a horse too
@@richardseyboldt3960 i aslo own a m1a squad scout (18 in barrel) i think the m1a has a harder quick kick then the garand, the garand has less kick and more push back in your shoulder feel if that makes sense. Was surprised how different the shooting feel that they have. But the garand has alot more smoke/concussion out the front end but fine for day shotting.
@@richardseyboldt3960 I have a James River BM59 XM1E2 rifle, which is essentially a "tanker" Garand that is chambered for 7.62 NATO, and is mag fed. The barrel is 17", and it has no muzzle device on the end. Here is a link to some pictures, if you want to see what one looks like>
www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1368176
Yes, it has one HELL of a concussion blast when you touch off a round! But it's more noticeable to bystanders than the person shooting it. The muzzle flash is also fantastic ;) However, the recoil is surprisingly tame in my opinion, even though it is a fairly light gun (when compared to a full-sized Garand.) *Edited to fix link.
Beretta both converted and manufactured 7.62mm M-1 rifles before the BM-59
EldarKinSlayer I believe Bloke on the Range has one
@@Pdro-gw7lu I believe you are right.
Was thinking about Bloke the whole time I was watching this.
So was I. Specifically I was thinking of his busting the M1 myths.
I built one from a CMP grade "C" receiver. It's 1/2" shorter uses a BM59E/SL barrel, 1/2" shorter M1 stock, rear hand guard and 1/2" shorter op rod. Italians converted these for export to 3rd world countries
Remember what today is all about people. The Eleventh hour on the Eleventh day of the Eleventh month.
Peace be to all that lived and died for that date to have the chance to occur.
Paul Shayter I feel the same my great great uncle fought in that war and he would tell of the trenches to my grandad and my father when he was younger
Your comment was 11 hours ago as well
Intelligent Grawlix, My teenaged grandson was going through some stuff in his other grandfather's attic and found a box full of his great great grandfather's WWI stuff including his diary, two German caps (one splattered with blood), an iron cross and some other stuff. Also a very cool piece of trench art. I told him to make sure he takes care of the stuff and pass it down through his family. It's a very powerful thing to read the diary and to hold the things that were brought back.
The War to End All Wars. If only the world could have been so lucky.
@@paulshayter1113 I would encourage him to find and read history related to where his (other) great grandfather was stationed and learn about what he went through.
My grandfather was one of the original GIs pulled out of line for discharge to form the 1st Armored Division when Pearl Harbor was attacked. He drove a half-track across Africa from Morocco to Tunisia and eventually to at least Anzio that I know of.
My father served two tours on LSTs in Vietnam and was doused at least twice, deliberately, with agent orange by B52s while in the delta.
I served in the Army from just after Desert Storm to about mid-94 or so.
I'm still learning about my father's and grandfather's service, and retracing their paths across this world. It's an enlightening experience. I wish to hell my father and grandfather had kept a diary about their experiences, even (especially!) if it was just their day-to-day lives. It would let me better understand who they were and what they lived through.
Les
The CMP also sells 308win chambered m1 garands build on original receivers with new barrels and new stocks. Small parts can be a mix of new production and original.
Wow this is amazing, my favorite caliber on my dream rifle. I'd LOVE to own this, it would be my main hunting rifle hands down
Ian, remember rechambering and rebarrelling are not the same. As per the discussion in the above video clip. A 30-06 can be rechamered to .308 and a 7x57 mauser is rebarrelled to 30-06.
I swear I remember Springfield selling these in the early 90's for something like $200, and there seemed to be a fair number of them in stock. I wonder why there are only 12 known today?
Just when it is safe not to purchase another Garand, up pops Ian with another. Having fired both calibers, the only difference I have found is, you don't end up with the Garand's bruise, after shooting all day with the 7.62.
One day Ian will start a video in the voice of Dr.Nick saying "Hi everybody!" I just know it!
Faithfully awaiting that grand day...
3:09 accurate spanish pronunciation¡ I give you a 5 mr McCallum.
The CMP has been performing Garand rebuilds of what’s effectively the Navy’s Mk2 Mod 1; rifles with Winchester and International Harvester receivers are currently listed.
the Brazilians did a similar thing with their model of 1908 (and 08/34) Mausers in the late 60s, they rebarrelled them to 7.62Nato (had to because they were in 7x57 before) and then threw on the flash hider from the FAL and the sights from the G3A3 for good measure.
Happy 100th anniversary of the Armistice! Peace! Love! 7.62 NATO!!!
Seriously though, thank you local veterans. They had to lug rifles like this one for miles while being SHOT AT.
They are probably cooler than you will be at their age. Respect the awesomeness.
No doubt it was tried as a cost cutting measure. I am sure Italy/Beretta would have cheerfully sold them as many BM-59's as they could afford, and offer them financing for more than they could afford. I bet these were early conversions and they had difficulty with them. Had they been done in the 60's, they probably would have used the Navy's knowhow with the chamber conversion inserts. Anyway, nice piece of history. Great video as always. Thank you
I can see someone working on these and after a dozen just throwing their hands up and saying "The hell with it. We'll buy FALs."
Well, it kinda happened like that, colombia has used the galil since it came out so, that's plausible
The CMP also sells re-chambered M1's in .308.
Yup Beretta Breda etc made or converted garands into 308 for mil. Also for the civilian market they were converted in 270 because back in the 80s mil calibers were banned for civilians here in Italy.
It would be interesting to see how or if they modified the enbloc clips.
Should not be necessary, the calibers have different lengths but the same rim dimensions so the original clips would still hold the rounds correctly. I would have thought it might be necessary to modify or extend the feed ramp but Ian would have mentioned that.
No need to change anything, my CMP Special M1 in 7.62x51 uses standard Garand clips. Same with the US Navy conversions.
All I did was install 308 barrels on several of my Garands. Run fine with no other modification. They even seem to be more reliable than they were in -06.
No, in the italian m1 T2 the use the same idea, cut the barrell and the stock, and then the build a feeder installed in the reciever
th-cam.com/video/ZQ2AlhMWWEU/w-d-xo.html
The CMP also sells some 7.62x51 conversions in their Special section.
The Italians converted their M1 rifles (both US, Beretta & Breda manufacture) to 7.62 NATO and they served alongside the BM59 in service at that time. There were two versions, Tipo 1 and Tipo 2 (type 1 and 2). They set back the barrel by one complete revolution of the barrel by extending the barrel threads and recutting the chamber face. They also fitted a bullet guide that helped feed the shorter cartridge and prevent the loading of a clip of .30" '06. Many thousands of rifles were so converted, I'm surprised more people aren't aware of this program!
No Tipo 2's were used by Italians. They where contract conversions for export.
@@johnmills837 actually, they were used by the Italians as I have witnessed thousands in store at Terni Arsenal prior to being scrapped! They were mainly Navy rifles!!!
@@TheArmourersBench Jim Thompson has confirmed no Tipo 2 conversions where used in Italian service. He has had direct contact with Beretta. Tipo 1 is what you saw, full length 24" barrels in 7.62 Nato.
@@johnmills837 Well I beg to differ, I saw Tipo 2 rifles (parts marked /2) at Terni. Plus this was confirmed by research at Beretta archives in Gardone val Trompia!
Shall we agree to disagree ;-)
@@TheArmourersBench Terni did store rifles for export.That's all you saw. How else did Sarco get those parts. They over did there contracts and spare parts. You can still buy all the conversion parts to this day.
This is WWAAYY better than than those crappy chamber inserts that would randomly get ejected when trying to shoot stuff.
The man knows where his thumbs are at 6:10! Instead of being tempted to depress the cartridge lifter to remove the snap cap, he wisely cut away.
It always amazes me how you can make a topic like this into an interesting video to watch.
Ian has that Garand operating system fetish going on right now. Mini-14 yesterday, M1 conversion today, and tomorrow he will some obscure M-14/M1A.
*Ping*
looks like a Buba conversion or what the Colombian version of Buba is.
Bubà
mkfreel fancy
At a range a while back shooting my m1 a gentleman walks up to the bench next to me a attempts to load his m1. I could tell he had never fired it before by his difficulty in handling it and he could not get a round to chamber, he asked me for help and after inspecting the rifle I noticed the barrel was stamped .308. It was a US navy conversation with the Mag plug missing. Long story short I loaned him some .308 and he shot his rifle that day.
This conversion is done along the same lines as the Italian Tipo-2 conversions in 7.62NATO.
Very interesting conversion, but it seems like the long way around the barn. I think a chamber insert would have solved the problem, with no other work necessary. Maybe that’s why there were only 12 of them!
Italians did the same thing in the '50 with the m1 called Tipo 2 , we can t rebuild new barrels, so the Terni arsenal did exacly the same
I was disscusing with a friend some days ago about some Korean monuments honoring the Colombian expeditionary force that fought in Korea, and how they looked a lot like US military forces. This rifle could've probably been used in Korea.
The Italian Berretta built these for export. Cheap way to convert to 7.62mm. Forgotten Weapons, you should know this already. Jim Thompson has researched this and in contact with Beretta
Back in the late 80's my dad and I each bought a McCann Industries .458 Win Mag Garand...
Springfield Arms manufactured new Garands in 7.62 NATO back in the 90s, andthe USN also used someconverted Garands in 60s.
Yaay as a Colombian this makes me happy lol
Seems like it would have been a heck of a lot cheaper, especially in man hours, to just make 308 barrels.
Garand in 7mm Mauser would have been nice instead of 7.62
Yes!
This would need the barrel to be replaced. Im sure they saved money by sticking to .30
It would probably cost too much in the long run compared to 7.62 NATO. After all, half the world was producing it.
Magazine Garand in .30 Remington. 6.8SPC comes early!
7.62 NATO works great because the dimensions of the case are pretty much the same (aside from length) as 30-06.
You can use standard M1 En Bloc clips, and the rounds will fit just the same (I have a CMP Special .308 M1 Garand). Any caliber conversions using a different parent case would require modification to the feed mechanism too.
Plus, while 7mm surplus is getting harder and harder to come by every year, 7.62 NATO will be around for decades to come. It's still used by the majority of the world as a Medium Machine Gun, designated marksman/sniper, and infantry rifle round.
I congratulate your spanish pronunciation muy bueno
I'd like one of the 458 WinMag conversions!
I would love to see an episode about the commercial magnum M1 Garand's with a shooting segment
There was also a Columbian Mauser in .30-06.
colombian*
@@pacman10182 He mentioned FN 49 and M-1. I misspelled Colombia.
Italy second line troops had 7.62 NATO garands by Beretta.
Lo! A reading from the gospel of Garand. Please brothers, take communion with me and listen to His holy word.
Happy Armistice Day, Ian!
My favorite importer of surplus gear lists a : M1 Garand Barrel in 9.3x62 by Lothar Walther, New
Beretta did this to perfection. Italy did this for Colombia, Nigerian and Indonesian contracts.
Ian Springfield Sporters would be a great place for you to do some videos. He has a lot of weird stuff and a lot of French riffles. Would be a great day in south west pa if he opened up again.
PSA and Classic firearms have had some Breda 7.62 conversions out of Italy recently. I am not sure what kind of shape they are in though.
Our 3 Best gun sellers
1. Estados Unidos ( thats You guys )
2. Israel
3. Alemania
Is a bit subreal to realise most of the most famous guns have being or are in use in the many fronts here
Also 4. Would be the soviets,tho those you'll reilese why we don't have concreate mumbers since well You may guest who uses those
Anyway saludos desde Colombia
I hope that ian and karl will buy it and compare it to an M1 and M14 on inrange just to see if the M14 was really a necessary rifle.
I can listen to Ian pronouncing foreign names all day
Guess you need to plan a trip to Columbia sometime!
Wow, as of today 100 years ago, the world celebrated the end of the war to end all wars. How relieved and naive they all were.
Don't forget the Italians with the Tipo-2 conversion.
Now I'm curious about the reloading process. I imagine the nearly identical cartridge bases/rim measurements are close enough in size to still utilize standard M1 en bloc clips?
.308 is essentially a shorter version of .30-06
Yeah I wouldn't push down that follower.. wouldn't be a good time. Those holes make it full-auto. Everyone should do this, but in order for it to work, you have to have a fully semi-auto gun. It also has to shoot 30 rounds in a half a second. So fast that the bullets start firing out of the clip.
I guy I met at the shooting range here in Sweden claimed he had a Garand in. 308. Danish conversion he said.
I have an M1 that has a Springfield 1966 7.62x51 NATO barrel on it
As far as a 7.62 NATO M1 is concerned it would have been interesting if a significant portion of them were converted in US stockpiles, not because that itself would be interesting but because of the Cold War politics that would have caused that to happen. Something tells me if they had felt the need to do so we wouldn't call it the "cold" war.
There was an awful lot of very hot fighting as part of the cold war, Vietnam as just an obvious marker. But none of it happened in the borders of either the US or Russia itself, so it was "cold".
@@lwilton That wasn't to say that there was no real war in the "cold war". I was saying that if the western powers believed that the soviet threat was so imminent that there WW2 equipment would need to be converted to the new NATO standard then there is a very real possibility that they may have in fact gone to war. For example the Berlin Blockade was indeed an attempt to break the will of the Berliners and as a precursor to war, had the western powers had felt so threatened the Berlin airlift may not have happened instead a preeminent nuclear strike may have been launched against the soviet forces in East Germany and Poland, as an example of course, theirs always the Greek and Chinese civil wars or the Korea war "spilling over" as well.
@@lwilton vietnam had nothing to do with the Cold War in reality...its a shame the US and USSR didnt realise that! An internal ex colonial struggle hijacked by nutjobs. And soldiers get used while innocents die!
Thank you Ian.
Estimate Price: $1,800 - $2,750
The fact they didn't get rid of them till the 90's is kind of hard to believe. By the 90's Columbia and a lot of the other neighboring countries had decent economies. I can't imagine they couldn't afford a better rifle, considering how well the coffee export business was going.
11/11/18
100 Years
Hey Ian, you and Othias should team up to help Indy with his WW2 channel!
th-cam.com/video/2lN8FC1cKUk/w-d-xo.html
Colombia summed up in a gun
A .458 M1. Now that I think we should take a look at at some point
Great video...when are we going to see some Dig Hill80 stuff?
way cool, have you looked at argentinian mauser? my uncle was trying to convert an action to 308 and a smith said the reciever is too dainty for that
Sorry for typing gerand instead of Garand yesterday
RIP- Peter Kokalis
Do they load with similar en-block clips or 7.62 stripper clips?
Re-chambered Italian M1 Garands?
Tipo 2 from Beretta
Does anyone else get the feeling that Ian carries around a dummy 30.06 cartridge with him at all times, just in case?
What's crazy about a .458 Garand? Sounds awesome.
Guess the Garand from New Vegas makes sense now.
CMP does 7.62 nato conversions
I’m curious as to why 8 rounds was the chosen amount for the en bloc clips. Is it just the sweet spot between capacity and size for handling?
Evan Temple I believe ammunition came in 8 round packets at the time (could be wrong!)
Also Bloke's Garand
Ian, you can review my home built Tipo 2. It's a better example of this conversion.
This would have been awesome in 7mmx57mm... I know economically why everyone changed, but 7mm Mauser frankly was arguably better rifleman round than .30-06 and .308
Need a .458 win mag M1 video!
Instead of all that measuring and cutting, would it not been better to just keep the dimensions intact and install new barrels?
round the time these conversions didn't they go for the FN FAL instead