First they overlook evil. Then they permit evil. Then they legalize evil. Then they promote evil. Then they celebrate evil. Then they persecute those who still call it evil.
They even shove the evil down your throat when you don't agree with them and then try to paint laws in your religion bad when they barely understand anything about it. They give arguments that don't even hold water and they want you to have a mind as small as theirs.....
You made me want to say the Shahadah, well explained, satan has swallowed earth whole, only GOD the creator can fix it. Allahu akbar. Knowing People like you exists gives me peace in my heart. God bless!
I really enjoyed the composure and calm discussion of the two debaters, congrats on Daniel for representing Islam confidently, accurately and well in general. May Allah reward you and your family, Ameen
I don't think he defended Islam at all! It's horrific how we treat out women and people! No wonder why most of the worlds asylum seekers are from Muslim countries! Look at Daniel he lives in the USA. Such hypocrisy
*Timestamps:* 0:00 - Introduction 0:47 - Topic of the debate 0:54 - Opening Statement from Daniel: 1:11 - Totalitarianism Argument 8:27 - Chicken Argument 12:29 - Response from MrGirl 15:19 - MrGirl's definition of Sexual Liberation 17:08 - Negative Effects of Sexual Liberation 18:48 - Role of Governmental Restrictions on certain Sexual behaviours/practices 22:20 - Universality of Moral Attitude in different Human Cultures 23:39 - Forcing Humans to do things that they are already inclined to 25:20 - Do Moral Rules lead to Fake Happy Marriages? 27:23 - Thought Experiment of constantly blissful societies vs actual societies 31:40 - Muslim Women leaving Unhappy Marriages 33:33 - Obligation of Muslim women to have intercourse with their husbands 34:50 - Patriarchy in Islamic Marriages 37:07 - Obligatory duties of Muslim Men & women in Marriages 39:23 - The Problem of Single Parent Children in Sexually Liberated Societies 42:27 - Solution to the societal sexual problems by using Autonomy 45:47 - Marriage not being same as Slavery 46:20 - Forcing People to perform their duties 47:58 - Happiness in Islamic Marriages vs Freedom in Casual Relationships 50:01 - Is Everybody indoctrinated? 50:54 - Sexual Deviations not being natural 51:35 - Meme Moment: MrGirl claims Beastiality is natural to humans 😂 51:58 - Human Disgust vs Immorality 52:19 - Freedom vs Restrictions w.r.t marriages & child support 58:56 - Back & Forth on forcing people to perform their duties in Islam vs Liberalism 1:03:25 - Obligatory Child Support vs Obligatory Intercourse 1:07:50 - Closing Remarks from MrGirl 1:09:15 - Closing Remarks from Daniel 1:12:33 - Discussion on Obligatory Labour vs Obligatory Intercourse _QnA_ 1:14:33 - Why is Daniel against the Welfare State when Charity is obligation in Islam? 1:15:50 - What is our sexuality meant to be liberated from & what are its boundaries? 1:16:25 - Is "Do What Thou Wilt" a good standard? 1:18:14 - Is Sex immune from the harm of not doing it in moderation? 1:18:50 - Is there a middle ground between Sexual Liberation & Repressing of Sexuality? 1:21:01 - Why is Freedom more valuable on an Atheistic paradigm than Happiness? 1:21:55 - How to know if your kids voluntarily love you without them leaving the house? 1:22:26 - What is Daniel & MrGirl's favourite video game? 1:23:10 - Required Military Service of Men in Islam 1:24:56 - Daniel's favourite thing about Liberalism & MrGirl's favourite thing about Islam? 1:26:13 - Is MrGirl MGTOW? 1:27:02 - No difference between having Obligatory intercourse with husband vs neighbour? 1:27:44 - Can Muslim women discipline men if they don't provide enough sex? 1:28:56 - How is women's advantage in dating market healthy for society? 1:33:51 - Iceland & Norway being safest countries despite being sexual liberal 1:35:53 - Concubinage in Islam 1:38:54 - Will MrGirl invite Daniel for a regular interview on his channel? 1:39:32 - MrGirl hitting a woman 1:40:36 - Discussion on Hypergamy & its statistics 1:43:54 - Is gay sex worse than sex with a 9 year old? 1:44:48 - Daniel explains the practice of early marriages throughout human history 1:48:31 - MrGirl's contentions to the conclusion of Daniel's arguments 1:49:54 - Discussion on the minimum age of having intercourse 1:53:24 - MrGirl finding the movie Cuties attractive 1:54:31 - Streamers moving from Twitch to TH-cam 1:57:29 - Daniel & MrGirl's view of Sex Work 2:00:02 - Child Marriage question 2:00:36 - Wrapping Up
Umar (radi Allahu 'anhu) said to a man who was thinking of divorcing his wife: "Why do you want to divorce her?" He said, "I do not love her." 'Umar said, "Must every house be built on love? What about loyalty and appreciation?" (Al-Bayan wa at-Tabayeen, 2/101]
Let me remind you of a wonderful narration from ‘Umar b. al-Khattāb (radhi Allāhu ‘anhu) may Allah be pleased with him, in al-Kharā’itī’s book on character: “From Abu ‘Azrah al-Du’ali who lived during the time of ‘Umar (ra) and used to marry women and then separate from them, until he became known by the people for doing so, and stories would be told about him. When he heard of this, he took ‘Abd Allah b. al-Arqam home with him, and while he was listening, asked his wife, “I implore you with God’s name: Do you hate me?” “Don’t implore me like that,” she said. He said, “Yet I do.” “By God, yes.” she said. Abu ‘Azrah said to ‘Abd Allah, “Did you hear that?” They then left and went to ‘Umar, saying to him, “People say I wrong women and then separate from them. Ask Abdullah what he heard from my wife.” He did so, and ‘Umar having heard what she had said, sent for his wife. He said to her, “Are you the one that goes and tells her husband that she hates him?” She said, “Oh Leader of the Faithful, I am the first to repent and turn back to God’s command. He implored me in God’s name, so what was I supposed to do? Lie? I felt wrong lying!” “Then lie,” said ‘Umar. “If one of you doesn’t love someone else they shouldn’t say so. Few are those houses that are built upon love; rather people get along by depending upon Islam and Ihsān to one another.” This is of course what we expect from those deep and blessed people who understood the inner realities of life and the challenges that they bring. ‘Umar has effectively provided for today’s social scientists the history of the old adage that love is indeed fickle, temporal and but just a fleeting moment. Relationships might kick off with love and enjoy little moments of love here and there, but their fuel and sustenance comes from respect, justice, friendship, loyalty and sacrifice; all of these aspects and more are wonderfully and succinctly summed up by ‘Umar in his use of Islam and Ihsān to illustrate the pinnacle of these qualities.
@@tdackjordan5873 Muslim prophets never following their own advice Uthman divorced two times 1- qurayba bint abi Umayyad divorced in the year 628 2- umm kulth I’m bint Jarwal mother of ubayd-Allah
@@tdackjordan5873 So he didn’t know the love of GOD the living god always learns humanity how to tread humans and nature Its sad that Uthman didn’t learn how to love a woman How did he’s dad treated his mam🤔 So he came to the solution that lying will make it better!!!! I know wen you accept it will bring a way of life but I also know that no one is happy in his hard
This debate was much needed for those who call themselves "Muslim feminists" straight after "Feminist Sheikha" debate. I hope now Muslim will realize that there is no limit or break to secularism. AllhamduliAllah for Islam!
@@themercifulguard3971 agree , I just saw many times that Daniel is saying women can not seek divorce if they wish , in fact if a woman hates a man and can not perform the rights of the husband , then she can opt out by paying pack the dowry (or even less if the man is ok with that) , this is mentioned in surat albaqraa verse 229 .
Sharia "forces" your to do things that are good for yourself and society whereas Sexual liberation "forces" you to do things that are bad for yourself and society. The "Force" isn't the issue, its what's they're "forcing" you to do. The word force here isn't really even appropriate and sort of a verbal trap to make Sharia sound equally as harmful as sexual liberation, "encourage/ promote" seems more accurate of a wording. A parent "forcing" their child to go to bed at a reasonable time and eat their vegetables is not the same as a parent "forcing" their watch pornography and chemically castrate themselves.
It's a poorly constructed argument. Sexual liberation by definition doesn't force people to be promiscuous. That would mean that all Muslims who live in the West are sinful, and that's not true. Sexual liberation came from the idea that women should be liberated from having to marry before having sex and being tied to one man for life. It is wrong, but not for the reasons you are stating. Simply it does not comply with the laws of Allah.
@@ninjadebruyns8577 I don't know what you are talking g about. In Islam a woman can divorce her husband if she is not sexually satisfied. If anything it's the ultra Conservative cultures that affect the state of the society, not Islam.
@@lylserb7818 I'm not the one that is disputing that women can request a divorce from their husbands or get khula'. Where have I even spoken about divorce? I don't have a problem with Islam at all. In fact, it is clear that a woman can get a divorce even if she finds her husband repugnant and simply doesn't want him, hence being sexually dissatisfied. This was not what was being said in the video btw. Did you watch the video?
He wasn't providing any arguments besides his feelings and creating a caricature of Brother Daniels position, at various moments he even outright concedes the biological, psychological, historical evidences that Br.Daniel brings, yet chooses to ignore them and claim that their differences in position are based on preference. What surprises me the most is that he doesn't realize the problem with that.
@@kyle2 The Qu'ran has many miraculous qualities that can only explained through it being divine. For example, Surah Al An'am shows Abraham pondering the potential divinity of the Sun, Moon, and a third celestial before coming to the conclusion that none of them can be divine. Abraham lived in Ancient Babylonia and these ayat correspond to their belief in the gods of the Astral Triad (the sun, the moon, and Venus which fits the Qu'ran's description of how the celestial body disappears after being visible for some time). Knowledge of the Ancient Babylonian religion was lost until the discovery of the Ziggurat of Ur in the 1850s. Another example would be how in Surah Al Ankabut, when a comparison is made of disbelieving people to a spider constructing a web, the language clearly depicts the spider as being female. While the reason wasn't clear to the people at the time of the Prophet PBUH, modern science confirms that female spiders are largely the ones that construct webs. So I ask you, give a logical reason that the Qu'ran contains historical and scientific knowledge that would not be available to a 6th century Arabian man, other than it being divine.
@@AE86FTS This perspective is informed based upon your positive emotional reaction to the idea that it was divinely inspired. This scientific knowledge was available at the time. Because it was written at the time. By men.
@@AE86FTS It is not logical that God would divinely inspire men only in the past, and never in the course of modern human history, when we would actually have evidence of such. You overlook this logical inconsistency because it feels good.
@@kyle2 So are you trying to argue that Islam is illogical because there are no prophets in modern time? Because my answer to that is that you simply saying it's illogical doesn't make it so. The revelation was given to the Prophet PBUH for everyone. Why is this illogical in your mind? Also I reiterate, that knowledge about spiders is a discovery of modern science and you just baselessly claim that this would be accessible to 6th century Arabs. Additionally, you provide no counterargument to my point about the Astral Triad. You try to claim my points are irrational and driven by emotion, but I am giving rational examples, while you just give vague statements without any proof.
I think Max needs to pay closer attention to the kinds of evils that exist in the world as a result of the so-called sexual "liberation", since his views are so strongly based on perceptions and feelings, taking a closer look at the madness will make him feel very differently. (That turban is dope)
@euthyphro dilemma wait i was checking if danial have certain views toward mrgirl, and i saw u here too lol. if you mind please replay to the comment i post in mrgirl stream ty.
@euthyphro dilemma some people's view toward happiness has been twisted by the idea of liberalism, think happiness mean you are free to do whatever you want without rule and law, you want to eat whatever you want and sleep with whoever you want. The thing is human cannot live in society without rules, people can commit evil acts under the visage of liberalism, and it can cause chaos.
@euthyphro dilemma the Islamic system and way of life is the most compatible with human nature, and you will be the happiest even in this world, not even talking about what comes after you die
@euthyphro dilemma My wife wears the full hijab and says that shes usually cooler in the heat than she used to be because she is covered from the sun and the material is cool and light, even i wear a long abaya in the heat to escape the heat. Such a silly argument
Excellent debate, so much to ponder upon. Thanks to Daniel again for reminding people what our natural state should be iA. We don't need reformarion, we need to revert back to traditions fix social problems. The other dude is at least honest that he doesn't like the idea. Good manners too.
From an outside unbiased viewer... The non Muslim had no argument, infact alot of what he said was pretty disgusting. Hes basically saying you're right but hes angry and doesnt like you're right. His points came from an emotional standpoint and NOT an intellectual, rational or logical viewpoint. He certainly lost this discussion and frankly wouldn't want to listen to him again. He has nothing to offer
Saying “disgusting” maybe be biased or have a subjective moral perspective to it from an unbiased or atheistic point of view, (I’m not sure) But I agree with everything you said else, completely. He really did not have any consistent argument, mostly emotions and subjective perspectives.
There isn't any complete freedom in the world, one has many choices to adapt which form of freedom they want, we as Muslims believe and choice Islam as a freedom form.
I can't imagine someone coming into a debate about sexual liberation and being unable to articulate what sexual liberation is. It is not enough for these liberals to oppose Islam, they must also not just tell us what they have but also how that is logically superior to islam. Daniel I appreciate how, instead of being on the defensive, u turn the table against your debaters, in a way that puts them in a real fix. They came thinking it's just enough for them to quote one or two things they found "barbaric" in islam.
Well, that's because a lot of times, it's dependent upon what it is contrasted to. We have three options: 1)Sex w/ consenting adult whenever you want, 2)Only have sex when gov't or religions says you can and 3)Gov't or religion says you can't have sex at all; celibate. As you can see above, if we are comparing #2 to #3, then #2 is more sexually liberating. But if we are comparing #2 to #1, then #1 is more liberating. In these examples, #2 is less liberating and more liberating........depending on what you compare it to.
@@scottholder4431 but he wasn't willing to concede to both genders and only focused the women without the accountability and responsibility of men. As a liberal, who is sexually liberated is living in heaven. Why? Because as a biological inherency, you can have sex with whoever and whenever but without facing or holding the consequences of gender roles and responsibilities, while the other side is suggesting that there has to be a defined ethics around sexual action, to limit the negative it may produce in soceity. The first one primarily considers the benefit for the individual happiness while the latter considers the benefits for the entire society and their happiness
@@commandar88 He said, he couldn't imagine showing up for a debate on sexual liberation and "not being unable to articulate what sexual liberation is." And then I clearly explained how "not being able to explain" isn't a problem for mrgirl because many times, it requires proper comparisons or multiple comparisons to fully explain your logic. And then I provided examples to show what I meant. Where am I wrong? Where my examples wrong? Did they not show that #2 could be both more liberating and less liberating.......depending on what it is compared to???
@@scottholder4431 but the discussion wasn't which is more liberating or not, it was more about the affects of too much sexual liberation. So you can have all the sexual liberation, but then you can't ignore multiple things that Daniel mentioned that have resulted in a negative impact to society such as, marriage is at an all time low, divorce is at an all time high, single moms have increased especially in low poverty areas, which results the likeliness of kids dropping out of school, drug addiction, being incarnated, more promiscuousity etc. None of these things were addressed by mr girl, rather he brushed these under the carpet all for "individual pleasure". That shows he has no sense of accountability whatsoever other than making sure he gets his pleasure as much as he wants and when he wants.
I think the problem with ppl like Mr girl is that they never seem to consider the bigger picture. They don't consider that their individual actions can have a long lasting effect on society as a whole. We have a duty to society as well. Sexual liberties may seem harmless when u consider the individual, but that's a selfish outlook. We must consider our actions with respect to their effects on society. A selfish individualistic group of ppl will eventually turn on each other.
Ok let consider its society-wide. In a hypothetical country polyamory and non-exclusive social relationships become a new norm. What are those harmfull effects? I struggle to come up with any My personal opinion? Honestly from my own observation such people would be more likely to build a coherent bottom-top democratic society than the one based on mono- or polygamy and closed off family units.
@@lylserb7818 what kind of responsibility? What do you mean by that? And ofc it would affect the system, but I would argue that in a beneficiary manner. We all can agree that current system can be greatly improved upon in many areas, so change to it, by itself, does not sound like a negative
@@sirnick12 The thing is your hypothetical society wide polyamory and non-exlusice social relationships is already a reality in today's world because people don't feel a sense responsibility when they are not tied down to an official relationship. That's why we have so many single women and children born out of wedlock and fathers who don't participate in their kid's lives. A child needs both support and presence of responsible parents to be able to grow to be a an adult with a healthy mindset. Not only that but women who don't have the support of their partner in raising their children and are too busy trying to survive on a full time job to give too much attention to their child's needs and education. Which results in a generational trauma and kid's raised by the ever changing political correctness and the media and the Internet and are not taught the basic principles such a discipline and self control, etc etc.
Mr. Girl couldn't help himself but to let his true self show at 10:53 when he smiled and even laughed at Brother Daniel mentioning if we as a society were to put porn on billboards to be seen even by children. This isn't the first time Mr. Girl has gotten in trouble for making suggestive, or outright statements that a pedophile would make. And it doesn't help his case that he enjoyed the show Cuties by Netflix, a show that was almost universally criticized and condemned for sexualizing minors
The mad mamluks uploaded a podcast recently (262) related to this subject and they’re really trying to sexually educate young kindergarten aged children. They’re even showing nude animations in the “educational material”. It messes up children point blank period. It’s so sickening and saddening.
This Mr. Girl is a joke. Is this serious? The debate was over before it started. The guy couldn't even define sexual liberation. Islam wins again. Alhamdulillah for Islam.
I think daniel needs to spend some time with Dr. Zakir Naik. No offence but there are certain skills that he needs to learn. For example, picking out the roots of the questions of the opponent. Like the question on forcing people to do halaal and the confusion of authoritarianism. You have got to listen carefully the motive behind the questioner and the logical pattern these people follow.. Anyways it was a good debate. Debators need to be ruthless in their arguments sometimes and sometimes humble... Great going brother Daniel
Monte Cristo.....But both of them should be aware of the two venomous thorns in their path!,That is Cosmic Skeptic idiot Sean O,Connor & Ahlul Fitna Dus Dawah Shamsi!
as much as the haters want and try to depict Islam as barbaric and backward . if you ask every Muslim on earth , they will say we Only wish good for MrGirl. you will find rest and peace with your life if you accept Islam
Basically, it’s all about how Max feels and doesn’t like 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. No intellectual arguments. He admits that brother Danial is consistent with his argumentation and he is not wrong but he just doesn’t like them like who cares what you like bro come on. His main argument is that it feels icky to him because of his liberalized morality.
@Wish Princess Charming Was Real Yes, feelings are the reason Elliot Rodger performed horrific acts, and if we as a society handled them better they may have been avoided. Thank you for proving my point.
@Wish Princess Charming Was Real Your beliefs are set in stone, as are mine. None of this matters. No appeal to logic or emotion will change anyone's mind.
In Islam we can get married when we pass puberty, as we are adults when we pass puberty and we should be responsible by that time, you dont have to get married and no one can be forced. And the Male, Female and Females father must give consent for the marriage. while in the west 7 year olds watch p**n and 13 year olds end up getting pregnant, and the father runs away and either aborting the baby or telling the baby its mother is its sister
said like a guy who has learned about the west solely from the most extreme and isolated examples. Meanwhile half of the middle east is inbred due to rampant cousin marriages. Inbreeding is preferable to the complete moral decay, but let's not pretend it is an ideal, let alone divinely designed
@@mememan6174 thats false ive seen the stats are there is barely any difference in rate. Literally every civilisation has done cousin marriage, even in the west people like einstien and queen victoria had done it. So what, if we practice it , in your culture people get married at 35 and over 1 out 3 kids are born without a father figure, your birth rate is 1.6 because your people hate kids and hate family
@@ibrahimbaghdadi2187 Cousin marriages raise the likelihood of a genetic defect by twofold. Even washed up women in their 40s have higher chance of making healthy kids
Your comment is correct implicitly but not explicitly. Since Islam came for all time the age is at puberty yet there are conditions. One that there should be no physical or psychological harm. And since the father or the guardian is in charge, and he is all aware of the norm, he will decide if the girl is ready for marriage or not. So there is a good vetting system.
@@tedmitten8832 cousin marriage is not an Islamic thing, it’s a cultural thing. It is based selecting the partner from a family with the same values so the possibility of marriage to be more successful is higher. Also the family ensures that the girl gets married. Nowadays many governments make genetic testing mandatory before marriage.
Hey I was the person who asked the question regarding the women having the advantage currently in the dating market and if that is good for society. Thanks for not letting him get away with a answer that is obviously bs and trying to argue with him about the obvious. Honestly I didn't know who you were before this debate but you made some good points regarding this topic even though I am probably somewhere in-between mrgirls and your position.
There must be a first cause, which is the Creator It is impossible for nothing to produce anything God must have existed before creation And it must be one, since there is only one will, the cause of everything Where everything is created He must have a will, since creater He must have complete knowledge since He created everything He must have full power as he created everything the creation must be out of Creator Let me give you an example (of course I do not liken myself to God Almighty, but for the sake of clarification) If I made an invention, for example, a television Am I going to say it came out of nowhere? Of course not, or I say it does not have a creator, the creator is the inventor Will I be a part of it? of course not Do I have a will when I made TV Will I be fully aware of this TV? Yes Is my strength in the moment of the television industry superior to the television (if we do not take the factor of time) (because God is outside time because time and space are created) Yes Will the Creator create creatures that have a nature and a different creation from the rest of creation (animals) (1 freedom of choice 2 awareness 3 language 4 mathematics) Of course, the four virtues of Islam are part of the instinct that God created in man And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, and said, Inform me of the names of these men. ♦ The surah and verse number: Surat Al-Baqarah (31). name = أسماء Names mean languages, information, etc It is the instinct that God has placed in human Surah At-Tur verse 36 Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators?[And] have they created the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no certainty of anything![How could they?] Are thy Sustainer’s treasures with them? Or are they in charge [of destiny]?Or have they a ladder by which they could [ascend to ultimate truths and] listen [to what is beyond the reach of human perception]? Let, then, any of them who have listened [to it] produce a manifest proof [of his knowledge]! The universe cannot create itself, as if you say that my mother gave birth to herself. This is illogical. Where there is a point of not having it and not having children, so this is stupidity to say that nothing produces anything You cannot find evidence for it (for example, mathematics cannot prove that 1 + 1 = 2 has no evidence, but we believe that it is true and certain without evidence Likewise, language. Why does man have language and not like animals, just voices of anger and distress, etc.? A riddle, and we have no evidence for the existence of language. You cannot prove that language is real. You cannot prove consciousness. You can't prove that you are real and exist, not just a dream or illusions as well as the rest) That is why humans are different from other creatures Therefore, these four qualities must have a reason and a judgment For example, the choice So we choose to believe or not to believe in God Language so that there is communication and knowledge of the existence of God etc (As well as the build the earth and make it better *) Therefore, these four characteristics must have a reason It's not just a blank Now I have explained to you the Creator with logic and reason away from any religion But there is a gap. Did God create us and give us the four distinct qualities without benefit? of course not This gives the attribute of inferiority (Glory be to God Almighty). God is perfect The Messengers sent to every nation prophets, As Allah said in the Qur'an . and the last of them was Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace Is there a religion other than Islam that does not contradict logical arguments? There is no The religions and philosophies of Central and East Asia The Creator is present in all creatures This is logically wrong Christianity (There are 3 gods and at the same time they are one and this is a contradiction) The Creator regrets creation The Creator did not know the harvest season Doesn't know when the hour . The Creator put a rainbow beside him so that he remembers not to drown the world in a flood. But he drowned them anyway . God is the creator of the world, how can he be ignorant of something? He is the creator of everything, he must possess the knowledge of everything etc We Muslims use Allah, not God Because "God " is giving meaning that he is male This is wrong there nothing like Him Allah Almighty
@@omar...4250 you do not know how the universe or life started. You were not there to observe it. So everything you say about this is just guess work. You have no idea if a necessary existence must be sentient in the way humans define the word or not. You have no idea if a neccesary existence directly created the universe and life, or if this was done through intermediaries . For example a necessary existence could have created another being who created another being who created the universe. You don't know any of that. But the idea that a necessary existence would show human emotions like love, hate, frustration etc, the way Allah does is laughable. Allah is most definitely a man-made god
@@markorbit4752 Well let me tell you a few things First, yes, I did not exist at the beginning of the universe I use logic I did not see my seventh grandfather to believe that my seventh grandfather exists my seventh grandfather must exist in order for me to exist So is the first cause of the universe, and everything must exist, so that I exist This is called logic As for the fact that the first cause created something, then this thing created the universe, etc you are funny . The important thing is whether the first cause is present If I create a device that prints paper, am I the one who caused the paper, of course yes about love, etc. Yes, you can't prove it with logic But logic proves to us that he has consciousness Because the universe was created out of nothing at a certain point and not at another point We humans have consciousness If I put eggs and tomatoes in the blender, would grape cake come out for us? Of course not, because the grapes were not there. Therefore, the existence of consciousness in man, in contrast to the jealousy of all creatures, clouds, animals, stars, etc., is evidence that it was given to him by the First Cause, where the First Cause has consciousness (the grapes).
@euthyphro dilemma Allah is outside time because he is their creator Therefore, Allah have the full knowledge, the full power, because Allah created everything from nothing
Is there even an objective in a discussion regarding perspective? For me that kind of debate is the perfect visualization of "There are no facts, only interpretations"
This guy is a notorious manipulator and plays mind games to seize power and appear to have superior ideals. He didn’t even introduce his premise after brother Daniel did his intro. The whole time he attempted at steering the conversation and Daniel’s answer to paint the picture he wants. He seems to twist facts and engage bureaucratic bullying to control your choice of words. The only consistent thing is that he actively works to not be convinced by opposing arguments, what a mess! He's incapable or unwilling to process experiences outside of his, which is ironic from someone who values empathy so highly. It's why I think he doubles down so hard on weird positions. "You know the scariest thing about me? I’m normal" ~mrgirl
@@neo2643 He didn't even use complex or sophisticated words to defend his points though. Stop coping. You can literally watch over the debates and search what the dude says if you don't understand him.
@@neo2643 Not really, it’s just thought provoking questions that question the mainstream narrative, so they are hard for someone who hasn’t seen from his perspective. Daniel has seen the feminist perspective by his very own self. Max has not seen the Islamic perspective as it is meant to be seen. Therefore he is constantly confused and resorting to liberal feminist propaganda
@@neo2643 Marriage and consummation are different things. There's no age limit to marriage. Consummation can only occur when mental and physical requirements are met.
Such a great debate brother Daniel! I guess we all know who dominated since second 1, even Mr girl agreed that Daniel is consistent and not wrong! I'm glad we have intellectual Muslims like brother Daniel!
A very enjoyable convo. Good to see both debators speaking politely to eachother and relatively without character attacks. Even the host (James I think?) seemed to enjoy the convo
May Allah guide MrGirl, even though he doesn’t want to be guided 😂. Good debate, MrGirl failed to bring logical evidence for some of his claims though. He was representing the textbook feminist approach to society and it was evident. Obviously his understanding of Islam wasn’t as good as it could’ve been. Was happy to see that at least he didn’t resort to yelling and screaming like the feminist Muslimah (who ultimately rage quit lol) did.
I feel really bad for him honestly. He was sexually molested by his mother as a child and it’s terribly affected his psyche. Please pray that he’s guided.
"if I were to make a religion" oh shut up, that entire argument was useless as it does not exist, the sexual liberation on the other hand does exist and it has very dire consequences, also notice how he always goes by feelings, I guess when your foundations are shaky you have to go by feelings
this one is so better than the feminist hijaabi one... here both parties are actually talking and not constantly interrupting and throwing dirt on each other like claiming terrorists links of the other party
I still can't get over Mrgirl shamelessly admitting that he found the children from that disgusting movie attractive. I don't know how he can call Islam immoral when he supports the exploitation of children.
Its interesting to see how Daniel is addressing social issues objectively and Mr. Girl is more on the emotional side and offers much more subjective perspective of a great social vice.
@@Asiyah2000 I mean there are some people with emotions that can't cope with islamic sharias? Who created these emotions? Or Where does these emotions come from?
@@kingkamaro9442 hmmm that is a lie 😏 God gave us emotions and rationality and our rational highly than emotionsl so people choose to argue something so illogical while they know doesn't make sense but they want to hold their positions so they will try every nonsense way to refute the logic that goes against their agenda 🤷♀️
@@Asiyah2000 It doesn't matter whether what they prefer make sense or doesn't make sense. The point is that,they naturally don't want islamic sharias ,or islamic sharias horrify and disgust them!
The root problem of this debate is that MrGirl doesnt believe in God as a source of morality. Ask him where he gets his morality from, and everything will follow - but that'll take another 2 hours minimum.
I don't think it was a debate with regards to sexual liberation. I think it was more of a 'moral subjectivity' discussion. Coz max was constantly addressing that even he can't morally defend himself, he'll Just go with 'i think freedom is more important than solving problems.' That is a clear subjective statement, which nobody can backup or refute.
Love how you beat him with facts! Just one thing to consider…I think when these liberals attack child marriage, there is an assumption that consummation occurs at the point of marriage even if the girl is prepubescent. In Islam we know that consummation before a healthy period is haram. I’m not sure if a non-Muslim audience member listening to this debate would know about this, so it would have been great to call it out for clarity.
I don't think they would drop the "child marriage" slang even with that...bcuz they don't consider puberty as a milestone to adulthood... They have "18 years"!
@@CRAZEDGŁł-c2n Yeah... Idk about France as much... But I've definitely heard abt a lot of places where the legal age of marriage is different from 18...mostly less than 18... But idk why these guys keep sticking to the 18 mark...
What’s funny is when liberals like him scream “cHiLd MaRrIaGe” they forget that their own atheistic liberalism produces things like 13 year old girls twerking on the internet (like slaves) where a 60 year old can easily have access to, watch, and even mast*rbate to. I really wish Daniel would have brought that up, but nonetheless less Daniel did a great job.
At 1:57:57 he said that prostitution(sex work) should be legalised and should be done ethically. And he disagreed with the rights of slaves in Islam🤣🤣 For me, it's clear hypocrisy or arrogance.
1:49:03 that point literally destroyed MrGirls's whole point of sexual liberty when it comes to homosexuality. I wonder how these guys just make up their own rules and boundaries that could in themselves be self-contradicting but then at the same time try to project their views and kind of extrapolate it on the entire world.
They oppose cousin marriage because of supposed genetic risks But give green flags to gay sex which is the riskiest forms of sex They do what feels right for them not what Allah tells them to do.
@@AdrianMuslim I think instead of challenging and debating everyone in public, we can give him dawah privately. Debates are for the arrogant enemies. We shouldn't consider everyone our enemy if they don't threaten us. James is a good person and we spread goodness of Islam through many different ways besides just debate.
I don't understand how people even can hesitate when it comes to sexual liberation. We can witness all the dramas that it brought to us. A sexually liberated society is not a win-to-win situation. We can see the growing number of promiscuous women and, at the same time, incels, who are angry and envious that they do not have a relationship. But even those who think that they benefit from liberation (mostly these are women and high-value men who don't have problems with sexual partners) benefit in a short term. An individual sexual liberation so much psychologically perverts a person that people can not build healthy relationships. A family institute is broken totally and divorce rates immense, as well as the number of the youngsters who don't want to create a family. The percentage of women and men who cheat on their partners has plummeted since the liberation. As well as the ever-growing number of children who were born outside marriage. Millions of males in the USA nurture not their biological children, even not knowing it. People are unhappy and lost. Millions of people meet their old age in loneliness. Millions of people, almost ages, have problems with finding a partner. Both genders became jealous due to the elimination of the distance between men and women.
The reason I love Daniel so much is that He is discussing real problems hitting our umma very hard. I don't know y other scholars are not discussing these issues. This shows that you don't cherry pick topics to your favours. I admire that man!!! May Allah continue guarding you.
Daniel is a highly intelligent, Harvard educated, extremely articulate, thoughtful and logical Islamic scholar. He should be debating with individuals of his stature not these bums whose names are mrgirl or apuss who get emotional and hysterical instead of arguing things rationally. A scholarly person should not be debating with bums. A rational person should not be debating with emotional and hysterical individuals.
This is the difference between a true scholar and a famous scholar. A true scholar engages with people from all walks of life unlike a famous scholar who only values people who are at his level. Imagine the prophet (pbuh) saying Bilal (ra.) that I only talk to people like Abu Lahab or Abu Sufiyan (ra.) because me and him are both leaders.
this is one of the least stressful encounters I've seen you had, Daniel. I think rather than having a fixated mindset, Max seems to be in uncertainty. Seems like he MIGHT be a reasonable man if he had the guts to be brutally honest with himself. May Allah SWT guide him. p.s I'm still waiting on your team response to my email (I'm the Indonesian kid asking to translate some of TMS's work)
my mother married my father at the age of 16, my grandfather had arranged the marriage. mgirl looks like my mom was forced and it's awful. only the notion of consent is totally different in traditionalist regions. when I asked her if she was unhappy that we chose instead of her, she replied that it was not even a question that we were asking ourselves. adults were respected and their decisions were honored. she lived a happy marriage and had several children. she was fulfilled with my father, who was faithful to her until the end. there was never any question of "slavery" or even coercion. and all the women in the village had the same story. results ? the older generation lived in happy marriages, with numerous descendants. therefore portraying a society of unhappy women is totally wrong
Also I'd like to add that Mr girl just like most liberals (or every liberal) argue from a place of emotion. Emotions cloud judgement and can distort perceptions of reality. It's a bad place to argue from
The marriage analogy the way he portrayed it was a very sly way and there’s lots of scenario’s also his Hypothetical examples isn’t reasonable, his giving hypotheticals that are very unlikely , selective and it takes two to tango so one can’t just give selective hypocritical to paint a real life situation, also in Islam you can’t force someone to marry someone you not attracted to so his hypothetical scenario doesn’t really work as an example he gave .!!
My Analysis of Mr Girl in this discussion etc ..is he was trying to argue the point that a married Bachelor or a square circle exists as man he flip flops all over the place , oh I agree with you but I also don’t at the same time smh 🤦♂️
Don't argue with my feelings please, because you hurting my pet project (feminism). Worst feminist are men who are trying to destroy women from the inside.
Well what can we expect, I think the whole modern conception of liberalism is based on feelings so I think Max was a great representation of most everyday liberals out there
@@rinopw4262 Well said. The whole concept is based on what you want to do and the freedom to do it despite the downsides or bad impact it has so it's not surprising at all.
"Can a woman leave just because she feels like it, after some time being married?" Should a woman be free to leave just because she feels like it? Why put women on such a high pedestal? What if there are kids? Should the man have the right to walk away from being a father just because he feels like it? What's the difference?
Men walk out of marriages all the time and in Sharia law their is no punishment for it but women are explicitly sinful if they do. Where is the justice in that?
@@Berisha1990 Describe the process how EXACTLY do men walk out of marriage? What is the process for that? And please do some research before answering. It might just save your soul.
@@asm4912 Even if they really cared about the individual, they should adopt Islam. Consider the argument that a woman is just pretending to have a happy marriage. This is a very rotten case scenario and the overwhelming majority of marriages would not be like that. But consider the case anyway. Consider the happiness of the following individuals: The husband. The husband's family The wife's family The children, they grow up in a balanced household. Aren't these things enough to make the woman happy? If these things are not enough to make the woman happy, then what kind of woman are we talking about?
It’s so hard for these men to imagine women who WANT to stay at home and have men provide and care for them because all the women they know have been corrupted beyond their natural state. And it’s not just them even some Muslims these days are forcing their daughters to go out and be corrupted for whatever reason be it education or a career or whatever and I have experienced this first hand, it really isn’t as glamorous as they want you to think and today I willingly stay at home and I am happiest this way even though my family pushes me to work.
No a lot of us women have always wanted to gain education, have dreams and have career opportunities. In the past oftentimes we were forced to marry guys earlier. We have always wanted to be financially independent too to be able to support ourselves to leave abusive marriages and be someone of economical importance too, but we were being continuously forced. Due to women's rights we are finally be able to make decisions about our own lives too.
1:12:08 just watch this part and save yourself 2 hours. Conclusion: I see why you are right but I just don't want to agree with you. How can one possibly debate with these type of people?🤣
I don't understand why he came to debate. 'Sexual liberalism is good because that's what I feel.'🤣 Come on man. His argument was 'because that's what I feel'.
@@ibrahimbaghdadi2187 I don’t know who pissed in ur cornflakes but spamming ur nonsensical replies to every comment isn’t gonna take ur anger away 😂 .. stay mad
I really think this guy is genuine guy (mr girl that is) but most of his points are just his feelings and what he “feels” is correct which doesn’t work in the real world. Great job again Daniel my Allah swt preserve you
I'm really surprised that Daniel forgot to mention that the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) never in his life hit a woman in any way what so ever. He was the best example of what a man should be!
Brother Daniel, I love you so much for the sake of Allah. You are an absolute gem in our ummah. Alhumdilah. May Allah grant you and your family with nothing but the best, amen
If anyone asked if child marriage is acceptable or anything, the answer should be no, but we describe child differently. Islam has a biological definition of who is and who is not a child, while the modern law has a strict age. Biology of a person does not work on a calendar therefor what ever age of consent is set to can not have biological motivation. The motivation has to be sociological, and it's very likely indeed education. We call our young women in age of marriage "boy crazy" and when their instincts gives up on it we give them the social green light to marry (no wonder they never do.) In other words in Islam we care about the readiness and needs of the person who is getting married, while modern world cares about getting enough time to indoctrinate them.
52:00 you can start any religion but that religion will only prosper if it brings benefits to society otherwise it will die out as did countless other religions people created over the ages. MrGirl is making analogies that will not survive in real world just to trap Daniel into Conceding.
I think you need to argue with [them] a lot more, because you kept following him down his rabbitholes and psychological traps he layed out. If he asks about whether women can leave a husband they dont find attractive anymore, you dont start explaining how they can leave. You ask him whether a society where women can break up a marriage based on such superflous reasons is healthy for society and the children they have. By the way, same goes for the man. Women dont stay pretty forever either, but the man sticks with her regardless out of duty and love. A society can never be perfect, and that's what this selfish [ethnicity] is going for.
There's nothing wrong if some men or women do that. It just means the guy or girl should put work on himself or herself to look better. And they will always find someone better than their ex.
@@rajibhossain9918 no my man, even the hollywood women who put themselves through plastic surgery eventually age. This might be a reason for initial attraction, as it's a natural thing for you to want good offspring. But this cannot remain the basis of you staying together, certainly not when having an active family, or spending your golden years. There has to be honor, duty and love that keeps you together. Beauty withers, it's a part of life.
@Icecream Cohen The problem is men can leave their wives for whatever reason they want in Islam and they can end the marriage by saying talaq thrice in 1 sitting.If Daniel was truly pro family, he would take issue with these parts of Islamic law.
@@mem807 In a society where sex isn't an open marketplace, there are likely to be very few cases of that. You dont dictate policy based on outliers, you base it on the average.
This is one of the first debates I had little to no respect for someone before even hearing their arguments (because the guy calls himself “Mr Girl”) and my presumptions were completely valid almost immediately after they opened their mouth…
The framework for the arguments used by Daniel such as the connection between the modern liberal state and totalitarianism, premodern society and cultural expectations etc are probably from works of Catholic authors like Patrick Deenan (Why Liberalism Failed), Adrian Vermule etc. Muslims should read these type of authors and build on them in order to get to the bottom of differences between modern and premodern forms of society etc and the developments (such as sexual revolution) that occur in them
@Wish Princess Charming Was Real which ones in the above work of, for example, Deneen? Daniel was basically working within the same premises they do about the expansion of law in the liberal state simultaneous with the erosion of traditional forms of community (that provided strong forms of association and norms) in order to protect, regulate etc the 'autonomous individual'.
isnt it weird how mrgirl was malding over Daniel not understanding his emotions in 1:04:11 ? that sounds like something a wife would say. this is an argument people come here for logic and facts not to get emotionally understood
First they overlook evil. Then they permit evil. Then they legalize evil. Then they promote evil. Then they celebrate evil. Then they persecute those who still call it evil.
Well said
So true
this comment should be given a heart.
💚💚💚💚
Well said👍
They even shove the evil down your throat when you don't agree with them and then try to paint laws in your religion bad when they barely understand anything about it. They give arguments that don't even hold water and they want you to have a mind as small as theirs.....
You made me want to say the Shahadah, well explained, satan has swallowed earth whole, only GOD the creator can fix it. Allahu akbar. Knowing People like you exists gives me peace in my heart. God bless!
Say it. Ash Hadu an Laa ilaha illa Allah wa Ash Hadu anna Muhammadan rasulu Allah.
May Allah guide you and all of us in the straight path.
May God guide you, my brother! ♥️
May Allah guide you to the right path and bestow hidayah in your heart, amiin
❤❤❤
God bless you brother Gus ❤ may Allah bless you immensely in this life and the hereafter!
I haven't watched nor do I have time today so all I can say is:
The Sexual Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Anybody who has a healthy mind can see that
Based
Love it
Taking words out of someone familiar's book I see😉
reminds me of that one particular book about revolution idk I'm not a good reader
I really enjoyed the composure and calm discussion of the two debaters, congrats on Daniel for representing Islam confidently, accurately and well in general. May Allah reward you and your family, Ameen
Twnty four percent!
@@abdallahsaleh86 the true way to acquire the truth is through shamanic acts 🧙🏾
I don't think he defended Islam at all! It's horrific how we treat out women and people! No wonder why most of the worlds asylum seekers are from Muslim countries! Look at Daniel he lives in the USA. Such hypocrisy
@@cameron2900x Imagine being an annoying troll
@@pharaoh6763 what did I say that was wrong? Or are you just a little upset today 😢
Sensitive topic but very well tackeled by Mr. Daniel. Cant wait for your next debate!
*Timestamps:*
0:00 - Introduction
0:47 - Topic of the debate
0:54 - Opening Statement from Daniel:
1:11 - Totalitarianism Argument
8:27 - Chicken Argument
12:29 - Response from MrGirl
15:19 - MrGirl's definition of Sexual Liberation
17:08 - Negative Effects of Sexual Liberation
18:48 - Role of Governmental Restrictions on certain Sexual behaviours/practices
22:20 - Universality of Moral Attitude in different Human Cultures
23:39 - Forcing Humans to do things that they are already inclined to
25:20 - Do Moral Rules lead to Fake Happy Marriages?
27:23 - Thought Experiment of constantly blissful societies vs actual societies
31:40 - Muslim Women leaving Unhappy Marriages
33:33 - Obligation of Muslim women to have intercourse with their husbands
34:50 - Patriarchy in Islamic Marriages
37:07 - Obligatory duties of Muslim Men & women in Marriages
39:23 - The Problem of Single Parent Children in Sexually Liberated Societies
42:27 - Solution to the societal sexual problems by using Autonomy
45:47 - Marriage not being same as Slavery
46:20 - Forcing People to perform their duties
47:58 - Happiness in Islamic Marriages vs Freedom in Casual Relationships
50:01 - Is Everybody indoctrinated?
50:54 - Sexual Deviations not being natural
51:35 - Meme Moment: MrGirl claims Beastiality is natural to humans 😂
51:58 - Human Disgust vs Immorality
52:19 - Freedom vs Restrictions w.r.t marriages & child support
58:56 - Back & Forth on forcing people to perform their duties in Islam vs Liberalism
1:03:25 - Obligatory Child Support vs Obligatory Intercourse
1:07:50 - Closing Remarks from MrGirl
1:09:15 - Closing Remarks from Daniel
1:12:33 - Discussion on Obligatory Labour vs Obligatory Intercourse
_QnA_
1:14:33 - Why is Daniel against the Welfare State when Charity is obligation in Islam?
1:15:50 - What is our sexuality meant to be liberated from & what are its boundaries?
1:16:25 - Is "Do What Thou Wilt" a good standard?
1:18:14 - Is Sex immune from the harm of not doing it in moderation?
1:18:50 - Is there a middle ground between Sexual Liberation & Repressing of Sexuality?
1:21:01 - Why is Freedom more valuable on an Atheistic paradigm than Happiness?
1:21:55 - How to know if your kids voluntarily love you without them leaving the house?
1:22:26 - What is Daniel & MrGirl's favourite video game?
1:23:10 - Required Military Service of Men in Islam
1:24:56 - Daniel's favourite thing about Liberalism & MrGirl's favourite thing about Islam?
1:26:13 - Is MrGirl MGTOW?
1:27:02 - No difference between having Obligatory intercourse with husband vs neighbour?
1:27:44 - Can Muslim women discipline men if they don't provide enough sex?
1:28:56 - How is women's advantage in dating market healthy for society?
1:33:51 - Iceland & Norway being safest countries despite being sexual liberal
1:35:53 - Concubinage in Islam
1:38:54 - Will MrGirl invite Daniel for a regular interview on his channel?
1:39:32 - MrGirl hitting a woman
1:40:36 - Discussion on Hypergamy & its statistics
1:43:54 - Is gay sex worse than sex with a 9 year old?
1:44:48 - Daniel explains the practice of early marriages throughout human history
1:48:31 - MrGirl's contentions to the conclusion of Daniel's arguments
1:49:54 - Discussion on the minimum age of having intercourse
1:53:24 - MrGirl finding the movie Cuties attractive
1:54:31 - Streamers moving from Twitch to TH-cam
1:57:29 - Daniel & MrGirl's view of Sex Work
2:00:02 - Child Marriage question
2:00:36 - Wrapping Up
Bruh! Again, I’m late by 3 hours.
Umar (radi Allahu 'anhu) said to a man who was thinking of divorcing his wife:
"Why do you want to divorce her?" He said, "I do not love her." 'Umar said,
"Must every house be built on love? What about loyalty and appreciation?"
(Al-Bayan wa at-Tabayeen, 2/101]
Let me remind you of a wonderful narration from ‘Umar b. al-Khattāb (radhi Allāhu ‘anhu) may Allah be pleased with him, in al-Kharā’itī’s book on character:
“From Abu ‘Azrah al-Du’ali who lived during the time of ‘Umar (ra) and used to marry women and then separate from them, until he became known by the people for doing so, and stories would be told about him. When he heard of this, he took ‘Abd Allah b. al-Arqam home with him, and while he was listening, asked his wife, “I implore you with God’s name: Do you hate me?”
“Don’t implore me like that,” she said. He said, “Yet I do.” “By God, yes.” she said.
Abu ‘Azrah said to ‘Abd Allah, “Did you hear that?” They then left and went to ‘Umar, saying to him, “People say I wrong women and then separate from them. Ask Abdullah what he heard from my wife.” He did so, and ‘Umar having heard what she had said, sent for his wife.
He said to her, “Are you the one that goes and tells her husband that she hates him?”
She said, “Oh Leader of the Faithful, I am the first to repent and turn back to God’s command. He implored me in God’s name, so what was I supposed to do? Lie? I felt wrong lying!”
“Then lie,” said ‘Umar. “If one of you doesn’t love someone else they shouldn’t say so. Few are those houses that are built upon love; rather people get along by depending upon Islam and Ihsān to one another.”
This is of course what we expect from those deep and blessed people who understood the inner realities of life and the challenges that they bring. ‘Umar has effectively provided for today’s social scientists the history of the old adage that love is indeed fickle, temporal and but just a fleeting moment. Relationships might kick off with love and enjoy little moments of love here and there, but their fuel and sustenance comes from respect, justice, friendship, loyalty and sacrifice; all of these aspects and more are wonderfully and succinctly summed up by ‘Umar in his use of Islam and Ihsān to illustrate the pinnacle of these qualities.
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Muslim prophets never following their own advice
Uthman divorced two times
1- qurayba bint abi Umayyad divorced in the year 628
2- umm kulth I’m bint Jarwal mother of ubayd-Allah
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So he didn’t know the love of GOD
the living god always learns humanity how to tread humans and nature
Its sad that Uthman didn’t learn how to love a woman
How did he’s dad treated his mam🤔
So he came to the solution that lying will make it better!!!!
I know wen you accept it will bring a way of life
but I also know that no one is happy in his hard
This debate was much needed for those who call themselves "Muslim feminists" straight after "Feminist Sheikha" debate. I hope now Muslim will realize that there is no limit or break to secularism. AllhamduliAllah for Islam!
Indeed Allahu akbar ☝🏾
Ustadh Daniel , women CAN leave without consent of husband : خلع ، she just has to court
@@im-ncc-pccm7610 exactly 💯
@@im-ncc-pccm7610 Yep. We also have no problem with that since Islamic divorce laws aren’t abusive to men like Western laws are
@@themercifulguard3971 agree , I just saw many times that Daniel is saying women can not seek divorce if they wish , in fact if a woman hates a man and can not perform the rights of the husband , then she can opt out by paying pack the dowry (or even less if the man is ok with that) , this is mentioned in surat albaqraa verse 229 .
I'm at the mall right now and watched the debate here, the level of lewdness here is unreal. Sexual liberation is destroying society and you know it.
Yep, summer is disaster
@@ibnamanotYa.. In winter people are atleast covered 🤣. They go "it's just too hot" in summer
@@ibnamanot that’s kinda the reason why i love winter😂
what do you mean lewdness
bro i hate going outside in the summer here in europe its filthy. 0 self respect
Sharia "forces" your to do things that are good for yourself and society whereas Sexual liberation "forces" you to do things that are bad for yourself and society. The "Force" isn't the issue, its what's they're "forcing" you to do. The word force here isn't really even appropriate and sort of a verbal trap to make Sharia sound equally as harmful as sexual liberation, "encourage/ promote" seems more accurate of a wording. A parent "forcing" their child to go to bed at a reasonable time and eat their vegetables is not the same as a parent "forcing" their watch pornography and chemically castrate themselves.
True 💯
It's a poorly constructed argument. Sexual liberation by definition doesn't force people to be promiscuous. That would mean that all Muslims who live in the West are sinful, and that's not true. Sexual liberation came from the idea that women should be liberated from having to marry before having sex and being tied to one man for life. It is wrong, but not for the reasons you are stating. Simply it does not comply with the laws of Allah.
@@ninjadebruyns8577 I don't know what you are talking g about. In Islam a woman can divorce her husband if she is not sexually satisfied. If anything it's the ultra Conservative cultures that affect the state of the society, not Islam.
@@lylserb7818 I'm not the one that is disputing that women can request a divorce from their husbands or get khula'. Where have I even spoken about divorce? I don't have a problem with Islam at all. In fact, it is clear that a woman can get a divorce even if she finds her husband repugnant and simply doesn't want him, hence being sexually dissatisfied. This was not what was being said in the video btw. Did you watch the video?
@@ninjadebruyns8577 my bad brother I missread your comment for a moment there, I thought you were defending the sexual liberation.
He wasn't providing any arguments besides his feelings and creating a caricature of Brother Daniels position, at various moments he even outright concedes the biological, psychological, historical evidences that Br.Daniel brings, yet chooses to ignore them and claim that their differences in position are based on preference. What surprises me the most is that he doesn't realize the problem with that.
He ignored them bez they are appeal to ad popolum fallacies
😶like wtf is wrong with y'all
@@arianagrandaremix8858 which argument was?🤔
@@mufticheesecake4532 the whole historical bs duh
@@arianagrandaremix8858 explain 🤔
This guy really be like "your position is logical but I just don't like it"
Logic dictates God isn't real. You would respond the same way.
@@kyle2 The Qu'ran has many miraculous qualities that can only explained through it being divine. For example, Surah Al An'am shows Abraham pondering the potential divinity of the Sun, Moon, and a third celestial before coming to the conclusion that none of them can be divine. Abraham lived in Ancient Babylonia and these ayat correspond to their belief in the gods of the Astral Triad (the sun, the moon, and Venus which fits the Qu'ran's description of how the celestial body disappears after being visible for some time). Knowledge of the Ancient Babylonian religion was lost until the discovery of the Ziggurat of Ur in the 1850s. Another example would be how in Surah Al Ankabut, when a comparison is made of disbelieving people to a spider constructing a web, the language clearly depicts the spider as being female. While the reason wasn't clear to the people at the time of the Prophet PBUH, modern science confirms that female spiders are largely the ones that construct webs. So I ask you, give a logical reason that the Qu'ran contains historical and scientific knowledge that would not be available to a 6th century Arabian man, other than it being divine.
@@AE86FTS This perspective is informed based upon your positive emotional reaction to the idea that it was divinely inspired. This scientific knowledge was available at the time. Because it was written at the time. By men.
@@AE86FTS It is not logical that God would divinely inspire men only in the past, and never in the course of modern human history, when we would actually have evidence of such.
You overlook this logical inconsistency because it feels good.
@@kyle2 So are you trying to argue that Islam is illogical because there are no prophets in modern time? Because my answer to that is that you simply saying it's illogical doesn't make it so. The revelation was given to the Prophet PBUH for everyone. Why is this illogical in your mind?
Also I reiterate, that knowledge about spiders is a discovery of modern science and you just baselessly claim that this would be accessible to 6th century Arabs. Additionally, you provide no counterargument to my point about the Astral Triad.
You try to claim my points are irrational and driven by emotion, but I am giving rational examples, while you just give vague statements without any proof.
I think Max needs to pay closer attention to the kinds of evils that exist in the world as a result of the so-called sexual "liberation", since his views are so strongly based on perceptions and feelings, taking a closer look at the madness will make him feel very differently.
(That turban is dope)
@euthyphro dilemma wait i was checking if danial have certain views toward mrgirl, and i saw u here too lol. if you mind please replay to the comment i post in mrgirl stream ty.
@euthyphro dilemma some people's view toward happiness has been twisted by the idea of liberalism, think happiness mean you are free to do whatever you want without rule and law, you want to eat whatever you want and sleep with whoever you want.
The thing is human cannot live in society without rules, people can commit evil acts under the visage of liberalism, and it can cause chaos.
@euthyphro dilemma the Islamic system and way of life is the most compatible with human nature, and you will be the happiest even in this world, not even talking about what comes after you die
@euthyphro dilemma it's true actually if only you knew. Ask God to guide you to the TRUTH
@euthyphro dilemma My wife wears the full hijab and says that shes usually cooler in the heat than she used to be because she is covered from the sun and the material is cool and light, even i wear a long abaya in the heat to escape the heat.
Such a silly argument
Please pick intellectual debaters not emotional intelligence holders.
Check out his White nationalist debate.
😂😂
@@talhaahmed6980 Yeah that one was class on both sides I'm smiling thinking about it.
Liberals don't come with intellect. Hahah...
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A libéral wether Muslim or not is someone who is in a state of suicide intellectually.
Excellent debate, so much to ponder upon. Thanks to Daniel again for reminding people what our natural state should be iA. We don't need reformarion, we need to revert back to traditions fix social problems. The other dude is at least honest that he doesn't like the idea. Good manners too.
From an outside unbiased viewer... The non Muslim had no argument, infact alot of what he said was pretty disgusting. Hes basically saying you're right but hes angry and doesnt like you're right. His points came from an emotional standpoint and NOT an intellectual, rational or logical viewpoint. He certainly lost this discussion and frankly wouldn't want to listen to him again. He has nothing to offer
Saying “disgusting” maybe be biased or have a subjective moral perspective to it from an unbiased or atheistic point of view, (I’m not sure)
But I agree with everything you said else, completely. He really did not have any consistent argument, mostly emotions and subjective perspectives.
@euthyphro dilemma another commenter said u dint know much about Islam. I just came to say that you also don’t know much about women.
Exactly worthless 🤦♀️
@euthyphro dilemma every law enforcement forces there people.
There isn't any complete freedom in the world, one has many choices to adapt which form of freedom they want, we as Muslims believe and choice Islam as a freedom form.
I can't imagine someone coming into a debate about sexual liberation and being unable to articulate what sexual liberation is. It is not enough for these liberals to oppose Islam, they must also not just tell us what they have but also how that is logically superior to islam. Daniel I appreciate how, instead of being on the defensive, u turn the table against your debaters, in a way that puts them in a real fix. They came thinking it's just enough for them to quote one or two things they found "barbaric" in islam.
Well, that's because a lot of times, it's dependent upon what it is contrasted to.
We have three options: 1)Sex w/ consenting adult whenever you want, 2)Only have sex when gov't or religions says you can and 3)Gov't or religion says you can't have sex at all; celibate.
As you can see above, if we are comparing #2 to #3, then #2 is more sexually liberating.
But if we are comparing #2 to #1, then #1 is more liberating.
In these examples, #2 is less liberating and more liberating........depending on what you compare it to.
He did a better job than most liberals do tbh
@@scottholder4431 but he wasn't willing to concede to both genders and only focused the women without the accountability and responsibility of men. As a liberal, who is sexually liberated is living in heaven. Why? Because as a biological inherency, you can have sex with whoever and whenever but without facing or holding the consequences of gender roles and responsibilities, while the other side is suggesting that there has to be a defined ethics around sexual action, to limit the negative it may produce in soceity. The first one primarily considers the benefit for the individual happiness while the latter considers the benefits for the entire society and their happiness
@@commandar88 He said, he couldn't imagine showing up for a debate on sexual liberation and "not being unable to articulate what sexual liberation is."
And then I clearly explained how "not being able to explain" isn't a problem for mrgirl because many times, it requires proper comparisons or multiple comparisons to fully explain your logic. And then I provided examples to show what I meant.
Where am I wrong? Where my examples wrong? Did they not show that #2 could be both more liberating and less liberating.......depending on what it is compared to???
@@scottholder4431 but the discussion wasn't which is more liberating or not, it was more about the affects of too much sexual liberation. So you can have all the sexual liberation, but then you can't ignore multiple things that Daniel mentioned that have resulted in a negative impact to society such as, marriage is at an all time low, divorce is at an all time high, single moms have increased especially in low poverty areas, which results the likeliness of kids dropping out of school, drug addiction, being incarnated, more promiscuousity etc. None of these things were addressed by mr girl, rather he brushed these under the carpet all for "individual pleasure". That shows he has no sense of accountability whatsoever other than making sure he gets his pleasure as much as he wants and when he wants.
I think the problem with ppl like Mr girl is that they never seem to consider the bigger picture. They don't consider that their individual actions can have a long lasting effect on society as a whole. We have a duty to society as well. Sexual liberties may seem harmless when u consider the individual, but that's a selfish outlook. We must consider our actions with respect to their effects on society. A selfish individualistic group of ppl will eventually turn on each other.
Ok let consider its society-wide. In a hypothetical country polyamory and non-exclusive social relationships become a new norm. What are those harmfull effects? I struggle to come up with any
My personal opinion? Honestly from my own observation such people would be more likely to build a coherent bottom-top democratic society than the one based on mono- or polygamy and closed off family units.
@@sirnick12 it would effect the socio-economic system. Not only that but it exhumes people from taking responsibility.
@@lylserb7818 what kind of responsibility? What do you mean by that? And ofc it would affect the system, but I would argue that in a beneficiary manner. We all can agree that current system can be greatly improved upon in many areas, so change to it, by itself, does not sound like a negative
@@sirnick12 The thing is your hypothetical society wide polyamory and non-exlusice social relationships is already a reality in today's world because people don't feel a sense responsibility when they are not tied down to an official relationship. That's why we have so many single women and children born out of wedlock and fathers who don't participate in their kid's lives. A child needs both support and presence of responsible parents to be able to grow to be a an adult with a healthy mindset. Not only that but women who don't have the support of their partner in raising their children and are too busy trying to survive on a full time job to give too much attention to their child's needs and education. Which results in a generational trauma and kid's raised by the ever changing political correctness and the media and the Internet and are not taught the basic principles such a discipline and self control, etc etc.
They don't care about the bigger picture. It's really that simple.
Dan the man back at it again debating these liberals! May Allah (SWT) guide them to the true path insAllah!
Mr. Girl couldn't help himself but to let his true self show at 10:53 when he smiled and even laughed at Brother Daniel mentioning if we as a society were to put porn on billboards to be seen even by children.
This isn't the first time Mr. Girl has gotten in trouble for making suggestive, or outright statements that a pedophile would make. And it doesn't help his case that he enjoyed the show Cuties by Netflix, a show that was almost universally criticized and condemned for sexualizing minors
The mad mamluks uploaded a podcast recently (262) related to this subject and they’re really trying to sexually educate young kindergarten aged children. They’re even showing nude animations in the “educational material”. It messes up children point blank period. It’s so sickening and saddening.
That's why he is Mr Girl😃😃
This Mr. Girl is a joke. Is this serious? The debate was over before it started. The guy couldn't even define sexual liberation. Islam wins again. Alhamdulillah for Islam.
There is no winning if it feels wrong.
Right? The amount of times I had to roll my eyes. Alhamdulillah for Islam.
I hope he considers Islam because he seems like a nice guy. Hopefully he is guided
Strange. I thought the guy that was arguing in favor of taking away women's rights was a joke.
@@speedfastman nah you’re a joke and your boy mr girl who advocates for bestiality is a joke
I think daniel needs to spend some time with Dr. Zakir Naik. No offence but there are certain skills that he needs to learn. For example, picking out the roots of the questions of the opponent. Like the question on forcing people to do halaal and the confusion of authoritarianism.
You have got to listen carefully the motive behind the questioner and the logical pattern these people follow..
Anyways it was a good debate. Debators need to be ruthless in their arguments sometimes and sometimes humble...
Great going brother Daniel
Monte Cristo.....But both of them should be aware of the two venomous thorns in their path!,That is Cosmic Skeptic idiot Sean O,Connor & Ahlul Fitna Dus Dawah Shamsi!
as much as the haters want and try to depict Islam as barbaric and backward .
if you ask every Muslim on earth , they will say we Only wish good for MrGirl.
you will find rest and peace with your life if you accept Islam
There is such a thing as being too embracing. Like towards a man that defends pedophilia.
@@The_Noticer. define pedophilia
@@The_Noticer. Like when MrGirl expressed how Cuties is attractive
@@themercifulguard3971 and now he memes about it saying oh it was all a joke.
@@thairinkhudr4259 the Sexual attraction of an adult to a Prepubescent
Basically, it’s all about how Max feels and doesn’t like 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. No intellectual arguments. He admits that brother Danial is consistent with his argumentation and he is not wrong but he just doesn’t like them like who cares what you like bro come on. His main argument is that it feels icky to him because of his liberalized morality.
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Feelings are all that matter.
@Wish Princess Charming Was Real You make no sense.
@Wish Princess Charming Was Real Yes, feelings are the reason Elliot Rodger performed horrific acts, and if we as a society handled them better they may have been avoided. Thank you for proving my point.
@Wish Princess Charming Was Real Your beliefs are set in stone, as are mine. None of this matters. No appeal to logic or emotion will change anyone's mind.
*Goodjob!*
In Islam we can get married when we pass puberty, as we are adults when we pass puberty and we should be responsible by that time, you dont have to get married and no one can be forced. And the Male, Female and Females father must give consent for the marriage. while in the west 7 year olds watch p**n and 13 year olds end up getting pregnant, and the father runs away and either aborting the baby or telling the baby its mother is its sister
said like a guy who has learned about the west solely from the most extreme and isolated examples. Meanwhile half of the middle east is inbred due to rampant cousin marriages. Inbreeding is preferable to the complete moral decay, but let's not pretend it is an ideal, let alone divinely designed
@@mememan6174 thats false ive seen the stats are there is barely any difference in rate. Literally every civilisation has done cousin marriage, even in the west people like einstien and queen victoria had done it. So what, if we practice it , in your culture people get married at 35 and over 1 out 3 kids are born without a father figure, your birth rate is 1.6 because your people hate kids and hate family
@@ibrahimbaghdadi2187 Cousin marriages raise the likelihood of a genetic defect by twofold. Even washed up women in their 40s have higher chance of making healthy kids
Your comment is correct implicitly but not explicitly. Since Islam came for all time the age is at puberty yet there are conditions. One that there should be no physical or psychological harm. And since the father or the guardian is in charge, and he is all aware of the norm, he will decide if the girl is ready for marriage or not. So there is a good vetting system.
@@tedmitten8832 cousin marriage is not an Islamic thing, it’s a cultural thing. It is based selecting the partner from a family with the same values so the possibility of marriage to be more successful is higher. Also the family ensures that the girl gets married. Nowadays many governments make genetic testing mandatory before marriage.
as was said in chat: Sharia4Japan
What's that?
@Ceiling Fan around a few hundred thousand if I'm not mistaken
@Ceiling Fan inshaa Allah 👍
Hey I was the person who asked the question regarding the women having the advantage currently in the dating market and if that is good for society. Thanks for not letting him get away with a answer that is obviously bs and trying to argue with him about the obvious. Honestly I didn't know who you were before this debate but you made some good points regarding this topic even though I am probably somewhere in-between mrgirls and your position.
There must be a first cause, which is the Creator
It is impossible for nothing to produce anything
God must have existed before creation
And it must be one, since there is only one will, the cause of everything
Where everything is created
He must have a will, since creater
He must have complete knowledge since He created everything
He must have full power as he created everything
the creation must be out of Creator
Let me give you an example (of course I do not liken myself to God Almighty, but for the sake of clarification)
If I made an invention, for example, a television
Am I going to say it came out of nowhere? Of course not, or I say it does not have a creator, the creator is the inventor
Will I be a part of it? of course not
Do I have a will when I made TV
Will I be fully aware of this TV? Yes
Is my strength in the moment of the television industry superior to the television (if we do not take the factor of time) (because God is outside time because time and space are created)
Yes
Will the Creator create creatures that have a nature and a different creation from the rest of creation (animals) (1 freedom of choice 2 awareness 3 language 4 mathematics)
Of course, the four virtues of Islam are part of the instinct that God created in man
And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, and said, Inform me of the names of these men.
♦ The surah and verse number: Surat Al-Baqarah (31).
name = أسماء
Names mean languages, information, etc
It is the instinct that God has placed in human
Surah At-Tur verse 36
Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators?[And] have they created the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no certainty of anything![How could they?] Are thy Sustainer’s treasures with them? Or are they in charge [of destiny]?Or have they a ladder by which they could [ascend to ultimate truths and] listen [to what is beyond the reach of human perception]? Let, then, any of them who have listened [to it] produce a manifest proof [of his knowledge]!
The universe cannot create itself, as if you say that my mother gave birth to herself. This is illogical. Where there is a point of not having it and not having children, so this is stupidity to say that nothing produces anything
You cannot find evidence for it (for example, mathematics cannot prove that 1 + 1 = 2 has no evidence, but we believe that it is true and certain without evidence
Likewise, language.
Why does man have language and not like animals, just voices of anger and distress, etc.? A riddle, and we have no evidence for the existence of language. You cannot prove that language is real. You cannot prove consciousness. You can't prove that you are real and exist, not just a dream or illusions
as well as the rest)
That is why humans are different from other creatures
Therefore, these four qualities must have a reason and a judgment
For example, the choice
So we choose to believe or not to believe in God
Language so that there is communication and knowledge of the existence of God
etc
(As well as the build the earth and make it better *)
Therefore, these four characteristics must have a reason
It's not just a blank
Now I have explained to you the Creator with logic and reason
away from any religion
But there is a gap. Did God create us and give us the four distinct qualities without benefit?
of course not
This gives the attribute of inferiority (Glory be to God Almighty).
God is perfect
The Messengers sent to every nation prophets,
As Allah said in the Qur'an .
and the last of them was Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace
Is there a religion other than Islam that does not contradict logical arguments?
There is no
The religions and philosophies of Central and East Asia
The Creator is present in all creatures
This is logically wrong
Christianity
(There are 3 gods and at the same time they are one and this is a contradiction)
The Creator regrets creation
The Creator did not know the harvest season
Doesn't know when the hour .
The Creator put a rainbow beside him so that he remembers not to drown the world in a flood. But he drowned them anyway .
God is the creator of the world, how can he be ignorant of something?
He is the creator of everything, he must possess the knowledge of everything
etc
We Muslims use Allah, not God
Because "God " is giving meaning that he is male
This is wrong
there nothing like Him
Allah Almighty
Women don't have an advantage currently in the dating market but rather who does is (the carnal desires of) the top 5-20% of men
@@omar...4250 you do not know how the universe or life started. You were not there to observe it. So everything you say about this is just guess work. You have no idea if a necessary existence must be sentient in the way humans define the word or not. You have no idea if a neccesary existence directly created the universe and life, or if this was done through intermediaries . For example a necessary existence could have created another being who created another being who created the universe. You don't know any of that. But the idea that a necessary existence would show human emotions like love, hate, frustration etc, the way Allah does is laughable. Allah is most definitely a man-made god
@@markorbit4752
Well let me tell you a few things
First, yes, I did not exist at the beginning of the universe
I use logic
I did not see my seventh grandfather to believe that my seventh grandfather exists my seventh grandfather must exist in order for me to exist
So is the first cause of the universe, and everything must exist, so that I exist
This is called logic
As for the fact that the first cause created something, then this thing created the universe, etc
you are funny .
The important thing is whether the first cause is present
If I create a device that prints paper, am I the one who caused the paper,
of course yes
about love, etc. Yes, you can't prove it with logic
But logic proves to us that he has consciousness
Because the universe was created out of nothing at a certain point and not at another point
We humans have consciousness
If I put eggs and tomatoes in the blender, would grape cake come out for us? Of course not, because the grapes were not there. Therefore, the existence of consciousness in man, in contrast to the jealousy of all creatures, clouds, animals, stars, etc., is evidence that it was given to him by the First Cause, where the First Cause has consciousness (the grapes).
@euthyphro dilemma
Allah is outside time because he is their creator
Therefore, Allah have the full knowledge, the full power, because Allah created everything from nothing
MashaAllah that was a very good debate.
Mr Sex Liberator just basically ended up basing all his arguments on to his own subjective feelings just like all other opponents.
Is there even an objective in a discussion regarding perspective? For me that kind of debate is the perfect visualization of "There are no facts, only interpretations"
Sexual liberation works for us kuffar, not for you muslims. So stay out of our matters and we'll stay out of yours.
This guy is a notorious manipulator and plays mind games to seize power and appear to have superior ideals.
He didn’t even introduce his premise after brother Daniel did his intro. The whole time he attempted at steering the conversation and Daniel’s answer to paint the picture he wants. He seems to twist facts and engage bureaucratic bullying to control your choice of words.
The only consistent thing is that he actively works to not be convinced by opposing arguments, what a mess! He's incapable or unwilling to process experiences outside of his, which is ironic from someone who values empathy so highly. It's why I think he doubles down so hard on weird positions.
"You know the scariest thing about me? I’m normal"
~mrgirl
Daniels trick is to get you in his rabbit holes, where he can beat you with his complex and sophisticated words.
Excellent analysis! I agree 100%
@@neo2643 He didn't even use complex or sophisticated words to defend his points though. Stop coping. You can literally watch over the debates and search what the dude says if you don't understand him.
@@neo2643 Not really, it’s just thought provoking questions that question the mainstream narrative, so they are hard for someone who hasn’t seen from his perspective. Daniel has seen the feminist perspective by his very own self. Max has not seen the Islamic perspective as it is meant to be seen. Therefore he is constantly confused and resorting to liberal feminist propaganda
@@neo2643
Marriage and consummation are different things. There's no age limit to marriage. Consummation can only occur when mental and physical requirements are met.
May Allah increase your knowledge brother you are such an inspiration for many including me JazakAllahu kheir
Jazaka Allah kaiyran brother Daniel.
جزاكم الله خيرا وتقبل منكم صالح الأعمال.
Problem trying to reason with western insanity 🇿🇦
Such a great debate brother Daniel! I guess we all know who dominated since second 1, even Mr girl agreed that Daniel is consistent and not wrong! I'm glad we have intellectual Muslims like brother Daniel!
A very enjoyable convo. Good to see both debators speaking politely to eachother and relatively without character attacks. Even the host (James I think?) seemed to enjoy the convo
May Allah guide MrGirl, even though he doesn’t want to be guided 😂. Good debate, MrGirl failed to bring logical evidence for some of his claims though. He was representing the textbook feminist approach to society and it was evident. Obviously his understanding of Islam wasn’t as good as it could’ve been. Was happy to see that at least he didn’t resort to yelling and screaming like the feminist Muslimah (who ultimately rage quit lol) did.
I feel really bad for him honestly. He was sexually molested by his mother as a child and it’s terribly affected his psyche. Please pray that he’s guided.
He's too far gone ,saying clear blasphemies , i hope he gets punished.
@@karimkj01 Not his fault though. His background was brutal and sickening to read. I feel so bad for him.
I will admit that this man is very good at: running out of the questions, changing the subject, attacking the religion.
"if I were to make a religion" oh shut up, that entire argument was useless as it does not exist, the sexual liberation on the other hand does exist and it has very dire consequences, also notice how he always goes by feelings, I guess when your foundations are shaky you have to go by feelings
@@kingpotato7183 20th century Post modernist cult!
this one is so better than the feminist hijaabi one... here both parties are actually talking and not constantly interrupting and throwing dirt on each other like claiming terrorists links of the other party
I still can't get over Mrgirl shamelessly admitting that he found the children from that disgusting movie attractive. I don't know how he can call Islam immoral when he supports the exploitation of children.
They think finding the same gender attractive is praiseworthy. What do you expect from such a people?
@@ibrahimbaghdadi2187 no, as marriage and exploitation are different things..
How disgusting. Imagine a 54 yr old man already with many women having sex with a 9 yr old. Now that is truly vile
@@maur_sault750 yea man it would really be disgusting in present times. good thing no one supports that now right?
@@roxas4587 well when the person is an example for all times than it's quite worrying.
Its interesting to see how Daniel is addressing social issues objectively and Mr. Girl is more on the emotional side and offers much more subjective perspective of a great social vice.
Then who created these emotions that contradict islamic sharias or that doesn't want islamic sharias?
@@kingkamaro9442 what do you mean?
@@Asiyah2000
I mean there are some people with emotions that can't cope with islamic sharias?
Who created these emotions?
Or Where does these emotions come from?
@@kingkamaro9442 hmmm that is a lie 😏 God gave us emotions and rationality and our rational highly than emotionsl so people choose to argue something so illogical while they know doesn't make sense but they want to hold their positions so they will try every nonsense way to refute the logic that goes against their agenda 🤷♀️
@@Asiyah2000
It doesn't matter whether what they prefer make sense or doesn't make sense.
The point is that,they naturally don't want islamic sharias ,or islamic sharias horrify and disgust them!
The root problem of this debate is that MrGirl doesnt believe in God as a source of morality. Ask him where he gets his morality from, and everything will follow - but that'll take another 2 hours minimum.
I don't think it was a debate with regards to sexual liberation. I think it was more of a 'moral subjectivity' discussion.
Coz max was constantly addressing that even he can't morally defend himself, he'll Just go with 'i think freedom is more important than solving problems.'
That is a clear subjective statement, which nobody can backup or refute.
Well in the end of the day, anything regarding sexual liberation comes down to mortality.
Love how you beat him with facts!
Just one thing to consider…I think when these liberals attack child marriage, there is an assumption that consummation occurs at the point of marriage even if the girl is prepubescent. In Islam we know that consummation before a healthy period is haram. I’m not sure if a non-Muslim audience member listening to this debate would know about this, so it would have been great to call it out for clarity.
I don't think they would drop the "child marriage" slang even with that...bcuz they don't consider puberty as a milestone to adulthood... They have "18 years"!
@@dr.atifkhan9994 France age of consent [not for merrying] is 13
@@CRAZEDGŁł-c2n Yeah... Idk about France as much... But I've definitely heard abt a lot of places where the legal age of marriage is different from 18...mostly less than 18... But idk why these guys keep sticking to the 18 mark...
What’s funny is when liberals like him scream “cHiLd MaRrIaGe” they forget that their own atheistic liberalism produces things like 13 year old girls twerking on the internet (like slaves) where a 60 year old can easily have access to, watch, and even mast*rbate to. I really wish Daniel would have brought that up, but nonetheless less Daniel did a great job.
@@dr.atifkhan9994 not merrying its just you could have s£x with a 13 year in France but you could not at that age to merry her.
At 1:57:57 he said that prostitution(sex work) should be legalised and should be done ethically. And he disagreed with the rights of slaves in Islam🤣🤣
For me, it's clear hypocrisy or arrogance.
Sex lebirty is awesome that they have "You're not the father" & "hunting cheater spouses" tv shows!
James is literally using a webcam from these myspace days. :D
MrGirl is already shocked in the first 5 minutes, he didn't see that coming :D hahahah
May Allah protect you Daniel
I can say that🤣 he was shocked, Mr girl didn't even answer it
1:49:03 that point literally destroyed MrGirls's whole point of sexual liberty when it comes to homosexuality. I wonder how these guys just make up their own rules and boundaries that could in themselves be self-contradicting but then at the same time try to project their views and kind of extrapolate it on the entire world.
They oppose cousin marriage because of supposed genetic risks
But give green flags to gay sex which is the riskiest forms of sex
They do what feels right for them not what Allah tells them to do.
The Moderator needs to be debated once. I'm interested to know his world view. "What do you believe and why?" 😂
He believes in Christianity.
@@juxtapositionMS How do you know
@@AdrianMuslim I learned it from another stream where Daniel talked about him.
@@juxtapositionMS Ok. So he needs to be challenged and debated once.
@@AdrianMuslim I think instead of challenging and debating everyone in public, we can give him dawah privately. Debates are for the arrogant enemies. We shouldn't consider everyone our enemy if they don't threaten us. James is a good person and we spread goodness of Islam through many different ways besides just debate.
Can we appreciate our moderator, he look tired but thanks for the debate!
I don't understand how people even can hesitate when it comes to sexual liberation. We can witness all the dramas that it brought to us. A sexually liberated society is not a win-to-win situation. We can see the growing number of promiscuous women and, at the same time, incels, who are angry and envious that they do not have a relationship. But even those who think that they benefit from liberation (mostly these are women and high-value men who don't have problems with sexual partners) benefit in a short term. An individual sexual liberation so much psychologically perverts a person that people can not build healthy relationships. A family institute is broken totally and divorce rates immense, as well as the number of the youngsters who don't want to create a family. The percentage of women and men who cheat on their partners has plummeted since the liberation. As well as the ever-growing number of children who were born outside marriage. Millions of males in the USA nurture not their biological children, even not knowing it. People are unhappy and lost. Millions of people meet their old age in loneliness. Millions of people, almost ages, have problems with finding a partner. Both genders became jealous due to the elimination of the distance between men and women.
Spot on
The reason I love Daniel so much is that He is discussing real problems hitting our umma very hard. I don't know y other scholars are not discussing these issues.
This shows that you don't cherry pick topics to your favours. I admire that man!!! May Allah continue guarding you.
Max: You are internally consistent, you might be right.
Also Max: Presenting onsided portrayal of Daniel's argument inconsistently.
thank you brother daniel cant wait for the post debate.
Daniel's beard has superpowers. A few strokes & all debates are won.😅 MashaAllah hero of Islam
I tuned in and heard the guy say sexual attraction to animals is fine. I tuned out.
Debate Summary:
Daniel throwing logic and facts.
Mr. Girl rejecting based on Feelings.
yup, a typical liberal feminist sjw
1:34:00 Swedish men are going to Thailand to marry traditional women
From my knowledge they are not going to Thailand they just marry the Thai immigrants.
Daniel is a highly intelligent, Harvard educated, extremely articulate, thoughtful and logical Islamic scholar. He should be debating with individuals of his stature not these bums whose names are mrgirl or apuss who get emotional and hysterical instead of arguing things rationally. A scholarly person should not be debating with bums. A rational person should not be debating with emotional and hysterical individuals.
This is the difference between a true scholar and a famous scholar. A true scholar engages with people from all walks of life unlike a famous scholar who only values people who are at his level. Imagine the prophet (pbuh) saying Bilal (ra.) that I only talk to people like Abu Lahab or Abu Sufiyan (ra.) because me and him are both leaders.
Daniel is not really debating ``them``..he is teaching and reaching to their viewers and fanboys about islam.
He isn’t a scholar though lol
@@M313-u8d He is amongst scholars and a student of the Deen.
@@M.Sid9.3 ok?
this is one of the least stressful encounters I've seen you had, Daniel.
I think rather than having a fixated mindset, Max seems to be in uncertainty. Seems like he MIGHT be a reasonable man if he had the guts to be brutally honest with himself.
May Allah SWT guide him.
p.s I'm still waiting on your team response to my email (I'm the Indonesian kid asking to translate some of TMS's work)
my mother married my father at the age of 16, my grandfather had arranged the marriage.
mgirl looks like my mom was forced and it's awful.
only the notion of consent is totally different in traditionalist regions.
when I asked her if she was unhappy that we chose instead of her, she replied that it was not even a question that we were asking ourselves.
adults were respected and their decisions were honored.
she lived a happy marriage and had several children.
she was fulfilled with my father, who was faithful to her until the end.
there was never any question of "slavery" or even coercion.
and all the women in the village had the same story.
results ? the older generation lived in happy marriages, with numerous descendants.
therefore portraying a society of unhappy women is totally wrong
Thank you Daniel, جزاك الله خيرا
Also I'd like to add that Mr girl just like most liberals (or every liberal) argue from a place of emotion. Emotions cloud judgement and can distort perceptions of reality. It's a bad place to argue from
The marriage analogy the way he portrayed it was a very sly way and there’s lots of scenario’s also his Hypothetical examples isn’t reasonable, his giving hypotheticals that are very unlikely , selective and it takes two to tango so one can’t just give selective hypocritical to paint a real life situation, also in Islam you can’t force someone to marry someone you not attracted to so his hypothetical scenario doesn’t really work as an example he gave .!!
How is it a debate if one side doesnt bring forth an argument and rather just tries to interrogate the other side?
My Analysis of Mr Girl in this discussion etc ..is he was trying to argue the point that a married Bachelor or a square circle exists as man he flip flops all over the place , oh I agree with you but I also don’t at the same time smh 🤦♂️
Daniel you speak the truth, may Allah swt reward you abundantly for your stand on such important issues for the sake of humanity!
_People on Earth have become open minded to such an extent that their brains have fallen down._
~AbdAlienFromMars
Westerns: “ all other cultures acts are unethical except ours. “
Don't argue with my feelings please, because you hurting my pet project (feminism). Worst feminist are men who are trying to destroy women from the inside.
Max did wayyy better than i thought but at end he kept relying on his "opinion" while Daniel looked at history, science, evolution etc/.
I didn't like Max's performance at all.
I will say this, props to Max for catching that the last question was a troll question and having Daniel’s back telling him not to respond to it.
Well what can we expect, I think the whole modern conception of liberalism is based on feelings so I think Max was a great representation of most everyday liberals out there
@@rinopw4262 Well said. The whole concept is based on what you want to do and the freedom to do it despite the downsides or bad impact it has so it's not surprising at all.
Daniel care about long term humanity, mrgril care about short-term individuals pleasure. I like islam .
Sick liberal souls
"Can a woman leave just because she feels like it, after some time being married?"
Should a woman be free to leave just because she feels like it? Why put women on such a high pedestal? What if there are kids? Should the man have the right to walk away from being a father just because he feels like it? What's the difference?
It's an individuality mindset where they care about individual not the society
Men walk out of marriages all the time and in Sharia law their is no punishment for it but women are explicitly sinful if they do. Where is the justice in that?
@@Berisha1990 Describe the process how EXACTLY do men walk out of marriage? What is the process for that? And please do some research before answering. It might just save your soul.
@@asm4912 Even if they really cared about the individual, they should adopt Islam. Consider the argument that a woman is just pretending to have a happy marriage. This is a very rotten case scenario and the overwhelming majority of marriages would not be like that. But consider the case anyway.
Consider the happiness of the following individuals:
The husband.
The husband's family
The wife's family
The children, they grow up in a balanced household.
Aren't these things enough to make the woman happy? If these things are not enough to make the woman happy, then what kind of woman are we talking about?
بارك الله فيكم
It’s so hard for these men to imagine women who WANT to stay at home and have men provide and care for them because all the women they know have been corrupted beyond their natural state. And it’s not just them even some Muslims these days are forcing their daughters to go out and be corrupted for whatever reason be it education or a career or whatever and I have experienced this first hand, it really isn’t as glamorous as they want you to think and today I willingly stay at home and I am happiest this way even though my family pushes me to work.
No a lot of us women have always wanted to gain education, have dreams and have career opportunities. In the past oftentimes we were forced to marry guys earlier. We have always wanted to be financially independent too to be able to support ourselves to leave abusive marriages and be someone of economical importance too, but we were being continuously forced. Due to women's rights we are finally be able to make decisions about our own lives too.
Alhamdulillah for islam.
1:12:08 just watch this part and save yourself 2 hours. Conclusion: I see why you are right but I just don't want to agree with you. How can one possibly debate with these type of people?🤣
"You're consistent for the most part, it's just I don't like it." 😭
His morality is completely arbitrary. Daniel was playing soccer with a guy with shifting goal posts, and winning
"I feel, therefore I exist. "
Mr. Girl 2022.😜
Great debate. The mediator is holding his mic completely backwards btw.
I don't understand why he came to debate.
'Sexual liberalism is good because that's what I feel.'🤣
Come on man. His argument was 'because that's what I feel'.
@@ibrahimbaghdadi2187 I don’t know who pissed in ur cornflakes but spamming ur nonsensical replies to every comment isn’t gonna take ur anger away 😂 .. stay mad
@Servant of the Guardian عبد الحفيظ I’m sorry I think I got Ibrahim confused with someone else
Thats why he calls himself mr.girl.....girls feel rather than think!
@@ibrahimbaghdadi2187 feelings are all that matter. Feelings are why you believe in God.
@@ibrahimbaghdadi2187 You've deluded yourself into believing this because it feels good.
Mr.Girl absolutely crazy, just going around around without any sense.
If MrGirl created a planet I would never want to live there
Jazakallah khair brother Daniel
I really think this guy is genuine guy (mr girl that is) but most of his points are just his feelings and what he “feels” is correct which doesn’t work in the real world. Great job again Daniel my Allah swt preserve you
I'm really surprised that Daniel forgot to mention that the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) never in his life hit a woman in any way what so ever. He was the best example of what a man should be!
Daniel born for debates 🔥
Jazakallahu Khairan Kasiran Daniel
Brother Daniel, I love you so much for the sake of Allah. You are an absolute gem in our ummah. Alhumdilah. May Allah grant you and your family with nothing but the best, amen
Clothing choice for each person says allot
May Allah protected you from all enemies......
If anyone asked if child marriage is acceptable or anything, the answer should be no, but we describe child differently. Islam has a biological definition of who is and who is not a child, while the modern law has a strict age. Biology of a person does not work on a calendar therefor what ever age of consent is set to can not have biological motivation. The motivation has to be sociological, and it's very likely indeed education. We call our young women in age of marriage "boy crazy" and when their instincts gives up on it we give them the social green light to marry (no wonder they never do.)
In other words in Islam we care about the readiness and needs of the person who is getting married, while modern world cares about getting enough time to indoctrinate them.
52:00 you can start any religion but that religion will only prosper if it brings benefits to society otherwise it will die out as did countless other religions people created over the ages.
MrGirl is making analogies that will not survive in real world just to trap Daniel into
Conceding.
I think you need to argue with [them] a lot more, because you kept following him down his rabbitholes and psychological traps he layed out.
If he asks about whether women can leave a husband they dont find attractive anymore, you dont start explaining how they can leave. You ask him whether a society where women can break up a marriage based on such superflous reasons is healthy for society and the children they have. By the way, same goes for the man. Women dont stay pretty forever either, but the man sticks with her regardless out of duty and love. A society can never be perfect, and that's what this selfish [ethnicity] is going for.
There's nothing wrong if some men or women do that. It just means the guy or girl should put work on himself or herself to look better. And they will always find someone better than their ex.
@@rajibhossain9918 no my man, even the hollywood women who put themselves through plastic surgery eventually age. This might be a reason for initial attraction, as it's a natural thing for you to want good offspring. But this cannot remain the basis of you staying together, certainly not when having an active family, or spending your golden years. There has to be honor, duty and love that keeps you together. Beauty withers, it's a part of life.
@Icecream Cohen The problem is men can leave their wives for whatever reason they want in Islam and they can end the marriage by saying talaq thrice in 1 sitting.If Daniel was truly pro family, he would take issue with these parts of Islamic law.
@@mem807 no a man can't say talaq three times and leave her...it's false
@@mem807 In a society where sex isn't an open marketplace, there are likely to be very few cases of that. You dont dictate policy based on outliers, you base it on the average.
This is one of the first debates I had little to no respect for someone before even hearing their arguments (because the guy calls himself “Mr Girl”) and my presumptions were completely valid almost immediately after they opened their mouth…
People like him have never felt real marriage, and strong family bond, thats why he thinks his way of living is the best.
The framework for the arguments used by Daniel such as the connection between the modern liberal state and totalitarianism, premodern society and cultural expectations etc are probably from works of Catholic authors like Patrick Deenan (Why Liberalism Failed), Adrian Vermule etc. Muslims should read these type of authors and build on them in order to get to the bottom of differences between modern and premodern forms of society etc and the developments (such as sexual revolution) that occur in them
@Wish Princess Charming Was Real which ones in the above work of, for example, Deneen? Daniel was basically working within the same premises they do about the expansion of law in the liberal state simultaneous with the erosion of traditional forms of community (that provided strong forms of association and norms) in order to protect, regulate etc the 'autonomous individual'.
isnt it weird how mrgirl was malding over Daniel not understanding his emotions in 1:04:11 ?
that sounds like something a wife would say. this is an argument people come here for logic and facts not to get emotionally understood
"I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't like it."
Wasn't this the same guy defending the Cuties movie? lol