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Brother, what was the point in arguing against it through a secular/empirical approach when as Muslims, as you yourself mentioned in the debate, divine commandment is sufficient for us? I understand that his foundation for morality is completely different than ours, but why not debate that foundation itself (i.e. why divine commandment is a more coherent basis for morality than Liberalism/Marxism)? Next time, pick a better debate topic where you can resort to the teachings of Islam rather than purely empirical studies. Just my honest thoughts, I hope you don’t take offense to it. May Allah give you more success in the future.
Brother Daniel May Allah bless and reward you. However, you missed the part that this guy is an atheist. Atheists hold a subjective moral view, nothing would be wrong in his eyes. He said he’s against peeping-toms but he’s totally okay with women in the sex slave industry (I.E p*rn) to be used and abused for his own perverted gratification. The reason the government doesn’t ever want to ban it is because of MONEY there’s a lot of money in the p*rn industry.
Vaush was absolutely hypocritical and resorting to disgusting vulgar language because he couldn’t deal with the logic and reason you were providing. He projects what he’s guilty of onto others.
Brother I recommend not having debates like that because these people doesn't have a standard to hold them to. They can say what ever they want an deny what ever they want any time .hope you best ajr
Ad hominem, Vulgarity, Strawman and Redherrings is all Vaush had to offer, he also completely avoided the topic and kept going on about banning porn when the topic is if porn is bad, a clear moral question. Daniel didn't say much in this debate because Vaush repulsed the audience with every statement he made
@Allah You think the USA is not slowly declining? The US is not a paradise, there are neighborhoods worse than "3rd world" countries there. People tend to be extremely divided and are very unhappy. The US has a strong military which is why no one messes with it, we as Muslims used to be very strong military wise but due to the division of the Muslim word, we have fallen greatly, not even mentioning the impact of colonialism and the invasions and bombings of Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.
They do realize that, feminists are all about female autonomy, sexual liberation, debauchery and rebelliousness. Always ignore the feminist argument about equal rights and respect, because she doesn't care about that at all, she just uses that to get you on her side, her real goal is what I mentioned before, feminists are the most vilest creatures on earth, the solution us not to give them advice them or entertain their bs, the solution is to immediately expel them from your communities and homes, and if possible apply the appropriate Islamic punishments on her as soon as possible.
@@pomponi0 I don't know of any ruling that prescribes 100 lashes for showing hair; but yes, we do have lashes prescribed for adultery and fornication, and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact that's great for societal health! 😀
As someone who is recovering from this addiction, all I can say that's it's harmful for the soul and mental health. Withdrawal symptoms are a real pain to deal with, I've receiving migraines a lot recently. It really is an addiction that shouldn't be taken lightly, my advice is to never touch it or you'll be stuck in an endless loop of relapse and trying to quit. Please make dua for me so I can live a better life
Brother try fasting every Monday and Thursdays. It's sunnah and it really helps to cool the urge down. May Allah swt make you strong enough to resist the temptations of shaytaan. Ameen
Honestly throw your computer and cell phone in the ocean and leave your house more. Whatever you do don't stay home. This is something you will struggle with for the rest of your life. I also suffer from addiction and the truth is it never goes away but if you can atleast destroy anything that gives you access it'll improve. Imagine an alcoholic with beer at alcohol at his house? It doesn't make sense. Get rid of the alcohol. Get a flip phone. You don't need a computer anyway it mostly just makes people lazy and waste time. If you need to get information or learn something go to the library.
Try to find things to do, that you enjoy doing. They do keep you entertained and rewire your brain to have pleasure from things other that porn. Also, try to surround yourself with people so that you are not left alone. And finally, and most importantly: ask Allah to strengthen you. Because without his support, you will not succeed.
Brother i know i am 4 weeks late, but i want you to know that there's still hope for you. In shaa Allah you will get better. I don't know where you are from or what situation you are in but getting yourself a righteous wife really helps a lot and althought it doesn't completely mitigates it but you struggle way way less. I am not a professional or anything i am just a fellow brother but if you do need help just talk to me we can find ways to communicate and perhaps i might be of help in shaa Allah
His argument was basically "porn releases dopamine that's why it's pleasurable and that's harmless since a father holding his child releases similar chemicals of happiness" - HOWEVER this still doesn't defend his stance on porn being "harmless." Dopamine is released when taking destructive drugs, and dopamine is also released when a man buys a sports car, but the car won't destroy your body like drugs would. It's apples and oranges, all his analogies were way off, he was equivocating like no tomorrow. Studies show that porn DOES destroy an individual, the biggest one and I asked him this and he conceded to it but dodged it by saying its the "person's fault" not porn. I asked him to address the research and reports that women constantly complain that since their men watch porn it ruins their relationship and sex life. This is because men see these fake porn stars with their cosmetic figures and compare their wives to it and mentally shame their wives, and also aren't happy with their wives since their wives cannot replicate these fake stunts done by porn stars. This has been talked about time and time again. There are women that have came out and said that their boyfriends/husbands can't even "get it up" to please them but its only porn that does it for them so they leave their wives waiting while they find a porn video they like so they can get it up and have sex with their wives while fantasizing about the porn video instead of the women they're with.
2:19:46 "If only we had the luster in your moms eyes after I blew my load after her face, if only we can all be that happy, honest to God, I know it's a joke, but people like that are really f*cking creepy [...]" I mean, he says something incredibly creepy and calls others creepy? What kind of guy is this?
Vaush:* after Daniel rejects his one random/obscure study * You only accept data when it suits your bias! Also Vaush: *calls numerous studies from credible sources sus because they disprove his point*
His argument was basically "porn releases dopamine that's why it's pleasurable and that's harmless since a father holding his child releases similar chemicals of happiness" - HOWEVER this still doesn't defend his stance on porn being "harmless." Dopamine is released when taking destructive drugs, and dopamine is also released when a man buys a sports car, but the car won't destroy your body like drugs would. It's apples and oranges, all his analogies were way off, he was equivocating like no tomorrow. Studies show that porn DOES destroy an individual, the biggest one and I asked him this and he conceded to it but dodged it by saying its the "person's fault" not porn. I asked him to address the research and reports that women constantly complain that since their men watch porn it ruins their relationship and sex life. This is because men see these fake porn stars with their cosmetic figures and compare their wives to it and mentally shame their wives, and also aren't happy with their wives since their wives cannot replicate these fake stunts done by porn stars. This has been talked about time and time again. There are women that have come out and said that their boyfriends/husbands can't even "get it up" to please them but its only porn that does it for them so they leave their wives waiting while they find a porn video they like so they can get it up and have sex with their wives while fantasizing about the porn video instead of the women they're with.
Plus his study didnt say anything about relationships. It just said "improves sexual feeling with partner." You can enjoy your partner and cheat on them. This study was such a red herring, too bad Daniel missed it..
His assumption that every Muslim consumes porn highlights how ignorant he is of Islam and the transformative effects it has and has had on the Muslims. I accepted Islam about 16 years ago and have never even once since then consumed pornographic material Al-Hamdulillah. Really enjoyed the debate (despite his unhinged vulgarity). May Allah bless you and increase you in ilm and sabr.
This is the curse of liberalism, atheism, secularism and other such ideologies. Even when clear evidence of the harm of their degeneracy is presented to them, they will still deny it in order to satisfy their desires. "And when it is said to them, 'Do not cause corruption on the Earth' they say, 'We are but reformers'. Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters but they perceive [it] not" ~ Surah al-Baqarah, 2:11-12
@@famo7503 I noticed how Vaush decided to be far more vulgar with what he says in this debate. Usually I don’t see that in other debates or in his videos. Vaush did nothing but change the subjects himself with constant interruptions, passive aggressive insults, misinterpretations, no backing of his degenerate arguements and had no intention of proper debate.
That was literally a crap show on his part. You did great, Daniel. Vaush is a child. I have already done a 30 min review of it. Once I get done producing it, it will premier today at 12pm est. Great work as always. I'd like to have you for a discussion on this debate if you'd like. Let me know. Either way, may Allah bless and reward you and your family, ameen!
@@MuslimSkeptic dear Daniel whatever happened with your sister was inhumane crime I know it changed you to a great detail but Sharia,and islam are also not perfect not part of solution you are very academically gifted you can make world better place by your knowledge not by being muslim apologist.Pursue physics and philosophy which you have degree as great carrier
Before being religious I used to speak just like Vaush, I thought it gave me a cooler, more real behavior. Looking back it was just extremely cringy and corny. When Vaush’s supporters grow older they’ll see the same in him, Jazakhallah Khair for your efforts Daniel.
You were never an atheist "I used to speak just like vaush""😂😂 Daniel supports child marriage which is on par with child po*n, maybe even worse. shut the f*** up😵
Wallahi the moment he said "No I believe people have the *right* to cheat on their spouse" I had to go pray man I couldn't believe the fahisha coming out of this guy's mouth and that was like the moment I had to take a break. Also, literally laughed out loud when they asked bout f*rries and Daniel just said "Sounds degenerate to me"
*Timestamps:* 00:00 - Standby 01:01 - Introduction: Topic of the Debate 01:14 - Daniel's Opening Statement 12:17 - Vaush's Opening Statement 19:38 - P*rn: Correlation vs Causation 24:46 - Discussion on M*sturbation & its issues 26:36 - Problems with P*rn & Artificial Stimulus 32:19 - Discussion on Restriction Laws 34:21 - Ill effects of P*rn & Drugs on the brain 37:16 - Banning P*rn & Drugs: Good or Bad? 59:43 - Does P*rn help lonely people? 1:01:51 - Bad treatment of the P*rn actors 1:03:32 - Where to draw the line on P*rn? 1:06:30 - Methods of P*rn ban & their effectiveness 1:13:55 - Was Banning of Alcohol by the US successful? 1:15:43 - Authoritative Ban & Social Awareness on Harmful things 1:20:01 - Video game addiction vs P*rn addiction 1:21:35 - Dangers of P*rn addiction 1:23:04 - Adverse effects of p*rn on Relationships 1:25:15 - Longitudinal studies: Correlative or Causative? 1:26:15 - How to enable good relationships? 1:28:26 - Impact of P*rn on Relationships 1:30:56 - Discussion on Studies & Gay Adoption _QnA_ 1:39:11 - Daniel & Vaush's views on F*rry P*rn? 1:40:52 - Would P*rn be good if Islam allowed it? 1:42:31 - Is P*rn good for the human body? 1:45:40 - Random questions 1:46:26 - The problem of P*rn & other addictions 1:47:20 - Drug addiction vs P*rn addiction 1:52:47 - Correlation vs Causation w.r.t P*rn studies 1:54:56 - The Nuances of Islamic rulings on prohibitions 1:56:11 - Scientific studies vs Islamic teachings 1:57:30 - Dangers of P*rn addiction 1:59:23 - Easy accessibility of P*rn vs Drugs 2:00:48 - P*rn being harmful for the society 2:01:37 - P*rn making Society Meek & Docile 2:03:41 - Obscenity Laws on P*rn 2:08:31 - Empirical studies vs Moral Values 2:10:49 - Bad effects of Drugs/P*rn on the Brain 2:12:23 - P*rn Ban vs harmful effects of P*rn 2:13:47 - P*rn being stigmatised throughout history 2:19:27 - Vaush being very Obscene 2:20:50 - Enforcing morality on Media 2:21:37 - US Govt.'s laws curtailing 1st amendment right 2:24:59 - Polygamy in Islam 2:26:17 - Authoritative Ban vs Cultural shift against P*rn 2:29:17 - How are Free P*rn sites funded? 2:30:13 - Random Questions 2:30:49 - How is P*rn Harmful? 2:32:29 - Regulating Human Relationships 2:33:36 - Effectiveness of Restrictions 2:35:52 - Vaush's views on Child P*rn? 2:36:05 - Who won the debate? 2:36:27 - Quantifying negative effects of P*rn 2:37:36 - The Complexity of Societal issues 2:38:28 - Empirical Data vs Moral Values 2:40:04 - P*rn causing infidelity vs preventing it 2:41:11 - Traditional Religions vs P*rn 2:42:55 - P*rn rewiring the Brain 2:43:53 - Effectiveness of physical punishment 2:44:31 - P*rn causing Poor S*x lives 2:45:45 - Vaush's views on Right to Privacy 2:46:37 - Islamic view of S*x 2:48:06 - Are Alpha males real? 2:49:04 - Vaush's views on animated child p*rn 2:52:34 - Israel using P*rn as psychological warfare 2:53:50 - Vaush using Insults & Obscenity 2:54:16 - Random questions 2:54:59 - Vaush's views on Polygamy 2:55:57 - Vaush being Insultive 2:56:39 - Vaush's views on Hyper realistic drawings of children 2:57:36 - Daniel's Clarification 2:58:37 - Problem of Child P*rn on the Internet 3:00:12 - Islamic ethics vs Vaush's ethics 3:00:29 - Effective ways to curb P*rn addiction 3:01:56 - Random questions 3:02:58 - What should be the legal age of consent? 3:04:47 - Traditional Buddhism being Patriarchal 3:06:10 - Islamic Societies hitting replacement rates 3:06:59 - Vaush explains his views on Right to Privacy 3:08:30 - Has Vaush watched Child P*rn? 3:09:14 - Vaush leaves 3:10:10 - Link b/w P*rn & R*pes 3:10:40 - Closing Remarks _May Allah ﷻ bless you Brother Daniel and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
@Allah Dumb argument. The vast majority of people aren't atheists so of course there's going to be more religious people in prison. And can you provide me a source showing that most crimes are related to religion?
I am begrudgingly agnostic, and displays like this make me embarrassed to even tangentially share an agnostic worldview with a person like Vaush. Daniel won this debate in every way possible, and Vaush’s behavior was disgraceful. Appreciate you Daniel.
@@heftbullard8273 I see where you’re coming from, but I’m extremely private with my spirituality in real life, partly for that reason. I use the term “begrudgingly” to express that I wish I was a faithful person by nature, because I’ve seen the value of religion. But I am not faithful by nature, so that prevents me from returning to Christianity because in my heart I’d be faking it. The older I get, the more I value order, and the more I despise the hedonistic culture we’re surrounded with. The only thing I can do is keep reading.
@@nighthowell Yes, that's what makes the whole philosophy seem so deflated to me- the wishing. You shouldn't have to wish, or be afraid of anything for fear's sake, as you are with modernity or hedonism without a church or nothing backing you up.
@@heftbullard8273 I'm not picking up what you're putting down with the last half of that, but here's the thing: yes, agnosticism is inherently wishy-washy and deflated. However, there are other dimensions to people. I am also a reliable dad and husband with a steady job. I make sure my parents are taken care of. So I am not a wishy-washy person. I've also been closer to seeing death than most people my age because I am a cancer survivor. People have their own struggles; I'm sure you have yours. I am reading C.S. Lewis, parts of the Bible, trying to figure things out.
@@nighthowell God doesn't expect you to be perfect however he expects you to have resolve and strive to better yourself. Although I'm Muslim and hope that you study more about Islam. That's not an excuse for you to ignore Christianity because you're actions don't align with Christianity.
The fact that even Ted Bundy thought pornography was bad.. It’s mind-boggling that there are people in this era who not only watch porn but advocate for it as if it’s something good. I honestly can’t even make sense of the world anymore. It feels like I’m trapped in a simulation and there are AI robots around me, lol.
@@Just_logic not funny. it’s actually very real and scary. 🌽 can mess up your mind real bad and things can get way out of control if you keep doing it. It drains you out and leaves you without any motivation to do anything and worse of all it’s haram
Not defending porn but Bundy was a compulsive liar who said what he said in an attempt to manipulate a delay to his execution. Really bad person to cite. His words mean nothing.
Vaush swearing and insulting you exemplifies how you backed him into a corner. He does not usually resort to such tactics often, as I've seen some of his previous debates where he does not do so to the extent that he has done today. You remained respectful and did not reciprocate even when he referred to your wife in a vulgar manner. You have high patience, MashaAllah.
I called him out on it when it was during the QA that it’s been proven time and time again that insults during a debate are glaring proof the person lost to their opponent.
Vaush is a walking advertisement for organized religion. A degenerate neckbeard who doesn't want to tell anyone that anything is better or worse because it would involve "the state" and be "oppressive" so he'd rather let society crumble while he streams from his basement...
Exactly! Tbh, even a sharp 12 year old can win this debate against Vaush (extremely deluded and immoral). Ustadh Daniel washed Vaush to the point where he was intellectually ripped apart from every angle.
@@imammurrah5870 Yeah, it's crazy how DNA analysis says humans and chimps are pretty much the same, how they can catch human diseases, how we can infer split points between different species and then it coincides with geologic data and the fossil record, etc. and yet we're not related at all. Surely, Allah is the Best of Deceivers 🙇🙇🙇🕋
The problem with topics like porn, drugs, alcohol, extra marital sex, etc is that no matter how immoral or harmful you prove them to be, a liberal will always just fall back on “mUh PerSonaL frEedOm.” People have been propagandized into thinking that the a right to harm oneself is a good thing and freedom is the only/highest moral value.
When Muslim brings up common good for the society they will cling to "mUh LiberTY" and then will have no problem with government forcing vax and masks on entire population also for the so called common good. They have no leg to stand on.
And when they get that their life is fucked up because of the "personal freedom" they try their best to justify and normalize drugs alcohol etc..to feel better about themselves . such a pathetic life
this is how you break the personal freedom argument, with the case of porn: 1) lower quality of life and standard of living...negative mental health which in turn puts a strain on health care systems. 2) the people involved in porn tend to get washed out become addicts and commit suicide 3) freedom is fine and dandy, but when it leads to self half that's a societal issue.
JazakAllah brother Daniel for the debate. Vaush was extremely rude and showed exactly what p*** addiction can do to someone's mind. He couldn't argue at all and only resorted to insults, swearing, and dirty language.
I still can’t believe this was something that was debatable. May Allah reward you brother Daniel, for your patience in this debate and commitment to the dawah.
@@imammurrah5870 yeah but don't forget men are on average much stronger than women, and also women's testimony is worth half of a man's. Girls younger than 9 can be married by force by their guardians, literal toddlers can have their vaginas destroyed, etc. Al I supposed to believe Islam is a beautiful religion? Lmao
Brother, I recommend changing your name to 'Allah Over Everything '. While Islam is His religion, He Himself is still the only One that is above everything.
The Pron apologist Vaush who conveniently looks and talks like a discord mod keeps equivocating his points (not to mention several straw mans and red herrings) and using extreme comparisons that he keeps claiming daniel is making but didn’t cite any relevant (or any at all) empirical study himself. When its apparent that doesn’t stick in the grand scheme of the debate he gets emotional. Major L. mA Daniel for letting the logic show itself and ignoring the offensive remarks he so casually and often slid in.
No he didn't, he admitted to not allowing gay adoption if it meant that it was harming the child, he just asked for a reason as to why it is harming the child and if the reason is avoidable. Daniel will never be for gay adoption even if its the best thing in the world because Islam says gay marriage is bad.
@@carlemthe3rd401 if it was something good islam wouldn't prohibit it. The fact of the matter is that islam wil only allow things that are good and prohibit things that are bad. That is the reason why sexual behaviour other than intercourse between man and women is prohibited. It would be strange if God would prohibit good things and allow bad things.
@@carlemthe3rd401 Of course because we don't rely on empiricism to derive our morality from. Morality for us is what God commands us to do and to not do. The problem exists for those who deny God and yet seek to attain uniform and consistent morality.
The same argument can be made of food. Unnatural hyper-addictive food such as fast food, processed foods are bad for human health and society. They are a net harm all around, no matter how good they taste or how convenient they are similar to porn. It’s a net harm. However, natural sexual relations between a man and woman within a marriage are a net positive as is good healthy, natural food.
@Allah sure I’m aware of that but the essence of the argument had nothing to do with addiction it was more so on the consumption. He straw man’d the argument that’s what’s laughable because he can’t refute the actual harams of pornography
This is a fallacy. the relationship between man and woman is not necessary for survival on an individual level. But food is absolutely necessary for survival on every level.
Watch “Vaush is unironically evil” and you will get what this guy is all about. He doesn’t believe in anything, in actuality. He just thinks rhetoric is a nice tool to manipulate people.
Muslim: gets married, has a healthy marriage and has 2-4 kids Athiest: doesnt get married or gets divorced has 1 kids and 3 dogs This shows you who will succeed
Daniel brought this up in his debate with tjunk. Tjunk was trying to paint this beautiful utopia of secular societies and Daniel mentioned about how he’s in a beautiful marriage and has kids while tjunk is (LITERALLY) sitting on a chair in his mothers basement and unmarried.
Dude, those 3 dogs were force-bred to be ill from birth (see pugs faces, hips of the German Shephard being chronically diseased) and if they are male dogs, they additionally chop their balls off because they don't behave how they want it to behave and then they trap these animals in tiny apartments/houses while saying "We love dogs". Hypocrisy runs deep. Especially when they gas and put up to 1-2 million dogs to sleep per year in America alone. It just shows you what they are willing to do to fulfill their desires.
Marriage is dead even in Muslim societies because of women and feminism. No wonder why men are sad and lonely modern women are delusional and think they’re all 10s holy shit.
as a victim of porn addiction having been exposed at an extremely young age, I am thankful that are you are speaking out against this topic. I have suffered from many forms of addiction and addicts basically cannot admit when they are wrong or when something is negatively affecting them because they've lived with it for so long. my last 3 partners were also sex workers and I have porn on the internet with them. I recently tried having sex with a friend and I couldn't get into it basically because it was normal sex.
i suggest you to fast ( from sunrise to sunset) / nofap for 2 3 months then god willing u will be cured .. basIcally u need to make your buddy ask for even a normal sex .. and u need faith to keep strong in this period !
Try to abstain from this sort of thing until you are married...it could be because this person was a friend. The abstinence will make the longing better for when it is eventually called for in marriage. We cannot erase the past which can be harmful for someone who has been victimized in this way, but we can work on the future. I realize this is easier said than done...perhaps if you are with likeminded people it will be easier with more accountability. I hope this can help at least a little bit. With God all things are possible!
My advice. Stop sex, stop porn, stop masturbating. What u need to do is join a soup kitchen for the poor. Keep yourself busy from sunrise to midnight. Wake up early, pray fajr, read the morning Azkar, read Quran. All this will help you. Then go out of your house. Don't stay home. After you finish work go help the poor, the refugees, orphans or your parents or anyone at all. Come home only if you can sleep. If u can't sleep without masturbating, then go sleep in a mosque. Hope this helps. A lot of us are struggling with addiction. I found this helpful.
Shaykh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah رحمه الله said: ❝ Insulting, slandering, and being aggressive during a discussion are tricks of those who are weak and a commodity of those who are bankrupt (in ‘ilm). Verily, refutations based upon insults and intimidation, everyone has the capability of doing that.❞ - Majmu al-Fatawa, 4/186
The topic was "Is porn Bad?" Throughout the debate, it seemed as though Vaush readily conceded and was much more concerned with the logistics on how to go about it There were so many logical inconsistencies in his speech it was painfully hilarious that he continued to march on
Vaush did answer, although not very directly. He answered the question by making a comparison between highly processed sugary foods and pron and some other points. His argument is essentially that pron is good or neutral because it brings pleasure, which doesn't require any proof or explanation which is why it seemed like he was "avoiding" the question, it's axiomatic. He also refuted the studies of why pron is bad with some points which led to a stalemate, and naturally brought about the argument of what Daniel thinks should be done because HE thinks it's so bad.
@@carlemthe3rd401 He didn't refute the studies. In fact his counter argument to those got shut down. Daniel had to explain how research works. Science can show how a thing can be good or bad for society and at the same time the benefits and harms of a thing at any capacity. A thing having something good to it doesn't make it all good as it may have more bad associated with it than good. A thing can cause more harm than good. Like Cigars, they can give you cancer and kill you and at the same time increase your test and make you look cool etc. Daniels argument still stands farm. He showed that porn is extremely harmful at all levels of consumption and can easily consume someone's life through addiction and the industry is constantly trying to make people addicts as well. There was no refutation for these studies at all. Vaush just hand waved the studies and his counter was porn provided some satisfaction to couples to which Daniel brought up the Smoking example to show that there were many research institutes that published researches that showed smoking in a positive light. Such as you getting pleasure and such. That isn't enough as that is the case with all harmful addicting substances to which porn is likened to by academics. Frankly, this debate made this commentator look horrible at debates. Clearly Vaush got his credibility arguing about racism, Palestine etc. easy to score topics.
@@iamjustaguy12345 Then you have to explain *why* the thing is bad. Daniel can't do that because any answer is a variation of "because my holy book says so" or "because it leads to an outcome that my holy book says is bad". Daniel claimed porn led to unhappy relationships and Vaush debunked it. Daniel said criminalizing drugs and alcohol is good and possible, and Vaush demonstrated that it only made things worse (created organized crime, caused much human suffering and also consumption of the bad things remained the same, if not skyrocketed). Daniel said punishing offenders helps them overcome their addiction and Vaush demonstrated that decriminalizing and treating people offers a much better outcome.
Hi Daniel, this might be my first time commenting on anything ever, not just TH-cam, even though I observe/use social media often. But I just wanted to highlight the importance of your work, although I am still in the stages of taking in everything (yours and others' opinions) with a grain of salt. Anyways, I'm a 27 year old female who had the somewhat typical immigrant Muslim family background-moved to Canada from Bangladesh when I was a baby, parents taught Islam (loosely) because it was in their culture, I believed in it, then faith strengthened in my early teens after the "scientific miracles of the Quran" trend years back, even started wearing the hijab midteens. But then slowly started losing faith and disconnecting, took off the hijab one year after, started siding with the criticisms of Islam/religion more (esp backlash of the scientific stuff), and by the time I was 20 I strongly believed in Feminism and liberation and completely lived the secular, western lifestyle (edit: deleted some past sins). I'm an artist, so it doesn't help that arts culture goes hand in hand with progressive values. I went to a well-respected University and specialized in business management, minored in Philosophy. Now I'm doing a Masters in a very liberal university for artists. So you can guess how this further validated my feminist and liberal values (i.e. surrounded by business-minded women, questioning the existence of God, etc) All the while my parents were practicing the religion even more. Around 24, I told my dad I wasn't Muslim anymore, which was probably extremely scary for him. Earlier this year, I visited my relatives in Bangladesh. All the elders became a lot more religious than they were when I was younger. I would feel kind of sad that they strongly believed in something so "backwards" but I wouldn't disrespect their beliefs. I disregarded it as them not having the education background that we had access to in the west. However, I would get slightly annoyed/uncomfortable when they would advise me on Islamic rules. This caused me to look at videos on why Islam is false, which there are thousands of. I agreed with those points. They seemed valid. However, one videos showed up of a debate. It featured AP and you. Let me tell you, it really shifted my perspective. I started watching your other videos starting from the very first one. I haven't gotten around to all of them, but I never thought that I would start feeling that intense connection to Islam again. I feel overwhelmed because there is still so much to learn. I sometimes have insomnia going back and forth between for and against. I also watch other debates with Muslims vs Non Muslims (for instance on the actual Modern Day Debate channel), but the Muslim stance don't seem to be as strong and I go into another spiral of questioning the beliefs. It's mostly your knowledge that's keeping me digging deeper. I am thinking about joining your course as I get anxious about answering criticism as my peers don't believe in religion at all and the distance between me and my friends will grow, and I need a solid base to accept this. Anyways, I really hope I get to see you speak with world famous accredited atheists/non-muslims one day. Thank you for taking the time and energy for opening a lot of people's minds and strengthening beliefs in this era of modernism, and I hope you continue to address criticisms.
Hey there! You should definitely enroll at Alasna Institute. The courses are awesome. May Allah (سبحانه و تعالى) guide you back to Islam, sister. Ameen!
Alhamdulillah, you have found your way back to the truth. May Allah guide you and help you in strengthening your beliefs further. You should definitely enroll at Alasna Institute. And, may Allah bless our brother Daniel abundantly in this world and hereafter.
Ignore this guy above me, I sincerely hope Allah(SWT) guides you inshaAllah. I don’t recommend learning about Islam from MDD as those are mostly non-Academic Muslims. Take it from me as a convert to Islam that after watching thousands of videos on the Deen in particular from Thought Adventure Podcast, EA Dawah, Hamza’s Den, and One Message Foundation that Islam is the only religion that is true. I can even provide some evidence for if you really want.
How do you think this is a problem? He thinks you should ban things based on how harmful something is, thus the constant "what is the harm". Therefore if something is banned with no demonstration of harm and you like that thing you'd argue for it being unbanned? This is like 30 IQ shit.
The Vaush dude is extremely rude and disrespectful. I'm just so grossed out by his horrible manners and attitude. Alhumdulillah for Islam. Even when we debate we exhibit manners. BarakAllah feekum akhi.
I mean…he’s a communist and Leftism is his religion. These people have no God and hence low morals. They call anyone they disagree with fascist even though they are the fascists themselves.
his language and the way he talks about women’s body parts tells me all i need to know. he is a vile individual, and you don’t need religion to see this. the majority of those who consume p*rn are men, and has done nothing but brainwash them into believing women are sex objects to be violated. again, this isn’t even from my muslim POV because “it’s haram”, it’s damaging young boys and girls alike, even causing them to abuse their siblings and whatnot. and i don’t believe what he said about child abuse going down in numbers. child abuse videos are rife on the internet, and p*dos are getting younger. clearly someone is abusing children for this content to be made and shared every second. Daniel thanks again for this debate. you held up well against this degenerate.
Guess which tribe own most of the porn production studios and even openly boast about spreading their filth, polluting the minds of the masses ?!! The yahud !
JazakAllah brother Daniel for the debate. Vaush was extremely vulgar and showed exactly what porn addiction can do to someone's mind. He couldn't argue at all and only resorted to insults and swearing.
Brother Danielle, you are doing great job in religious and non religious discussions and debates, a small advice actually your approach to these stubborn fanatics should be mild and accepting at the start, like understanding their strength and weakness and then being aggressive because that places you in strategically in right place for your viewers
This “man” is the pinnacle of the following hadith in Bukhari: Abu Mas’ud reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, among the words people obtained from the Prophets are this: If you feel no shame, do as you wish.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3483 Lack of manners, distorted morality, and outright disrespectful to the audience. Always resorts to insolent comments. The no brainer to the question presented is definitely choose Islam. Collectively as a religion of truth, it calls to all that is pure, righteous, and beneficial to the human being to him/herself for their own success in this world as well as the next. Contrary to which this “man” lives by. His desires has become his God. May Allah Swt help him and guide him. Jazakallahu Khairan Daniel for the debate. Alhamdudillah for this deen.
the level of patience of daniel is admirable, really learning alot from you man debating like this with a huge handicap where you only use one type of evidence isnt easy the guest was intentionally malicious, point for islam for pissing him off
Keep in mind, I've heard Vaush and other leftist say that insulting the conservative, or right leaning, or religious person during a debate is legitimate debate rhetoric. Their reasoning is that they are by default, and by definition, morally and intellectually superior to the opposing side. Some of them, like Vaush, might actually believe this, some just try to convince themselves of this notion.
Watching the way Daniel conducted himself was beautiful and pleasant considering the person he is debating, you're very patient and forgiving even when he's constantly insulting
Huge W to you Daniel. I don't know how these people have the audacity to speak like they have a leg to stand on when it comes what is good or bad. objectively that is
This was by far one of your best moments. It is tough to instantaneously come up with a well thought good answer however you tried your best, looking forward to the recap of this
@@bander-Coolb and the worst part is you have actual Muslim feminists that will come to the defense of the progressive left and say anyone who wants to can identify as a woman.
Vasuh's point that we cannot outlaw masturbation without implementing a dystopian authoritarian state control but that's red herring. The point isn't about outlawing masturbation which is impossible to enforce in the real world but about discouraging people from doing so and Pornography does the exact opposite thing by providing an artificial stimuli. And it appeared to me that Vasuh claims to be anti-capitalism so he should be advocating for regulation of market but wouldn't that make him an authoritarian by his own definitions?
The thing is that Vaush's whole argument about this being a bottom up thing is totally false in my opinion. The only reason porn is so big is because of industry taking advantage of people's desires and the people who have most power in our societies especially America is the merchant class. One of the biggest reasons for policy change is the lobby which are financial elites so essentially all the policy change we have seen or will see especially in regards to sexual liberation like pornography laws, LGBT (possibly the P coming) etc. have been spearheaded by the financial elite so it's literally the definition of Top down. 😂 Also you're on point with the communism thing, one of the most authoritarian types of regime.
He said Muslim women can't get divorce And also kinda said R*pe is allowed. He also brought up the issue of Iran Said what would Daniel do if he was the "Ayatollah" Clearly showing he doesn't know what he is talking about.
The title of the debate is "is porn bad?" but when Daniel said to him let's get out of the law, Vaush doesn't want to do that and he says it's not actually about morality. He wants to keep it on legal terms because then he just calls you an authoritarian over and over and asks you about what other things you want to ban to make you look bad. But the whole debate is supposed to be about morality. Edit: Vaush later on even admited that porn could have harmful effects on society but it shouldn't be on the state to ban it. So he conceded.
He said almost anything has the potential to have harmful effects if abused. He brought up the food industry because he'd be in favor of regulating what ingredients can be used and what not depending on the demonstrable effects they have on the body, but Daniel failed to paint the line on what he thinks should be legal or not. If you're not used to Vaush's debating style, it might offend you to hear him asking repeatedly if the State should ahoot you in the head. There was no ill intent, those were softballs so that Daniel would define his views. Vaush values intellectual honesty more than superficial politeness.
@@pomponi0 Vaush is sufficiently reprehensible to warrant responses conducive to a liable likelihood wherein the only outcome - as a primary effect rather than epiphenomenon - is to fail to perpetuate the self's life force
As a formal addict, yes it ruins you the crap you see on those sites turns your whole view to women upside down you look at them as sex objects and that's all you think about them especially here in the west I see girls wearing spandex, shorts going up to their you know what it's sad. P^^n is a very hard addiction to fight especially if your single
Moderator: how do each of you think watching porn with spouse affects relationship? Vaush: eh idk i think its cool, whatever Daniel: so theres this study that was done exactly on this topic, it shows porn is bad for relationships Vaush: REEEEEEEEEEE
basically what Vaush is saying throughout the debate is he wants to live in a society that encourages self-indulgence and have no self control over your own desires
@Allah Imagine waking up in the morning and see your housekeeper takes drugs, then in your place of work your manager takes it also ,and then you have a flight where the pilot also takes drugs. My question is, would you feel safe? The reality is very different from imagination...governments for sure must forbid drugs by any means, put in mind that doesn't mean we should also stop educate people about the danger of it. Is it going 100% prevent it? Of course no....nothing well in this absurd scenario, but I bet it's the most effective.
@Allah the point is not to 100% remove drugs from existence. The goal is to reduce it as much as possible from consumption and maintaining a stable society
@Allah actually making something illegal does reduce its consumption. The problem with America is that the laws are implemented on a state level not on governmental level. So if something is banned in one state it's likely not being banned in another so of course the consumption is still there. If your argument is making something illegal just opens the black market, then yes the consumption is still there but it is illegal and the authorities can arrest you.
@Allah not really it's a observation that you are either trying to force a argument or that you are realising you do not have a compelling argument. It's subjective but to add the variables I would belive he turned red out of his inability to have a decent rebuttal..obviously his reputation would be at stake.
Vaush kept saying you can't ban porn you can't ban porn banning makes things worse, banning is impossible, no one ever banned anything like porn. Then Daniel mentioned CP and Vaush's whole argument ended right there and he knew it.
@@fark69 Well, then he agrees that porn is bad. He just disagrees on banning it because banning will spread it even more and will cause more harm. That means he concedes the debate. Good for him!
and the west celebrates those adult stars and they want to use other continent womens including muslim womens for their p@rn ,islamophobe reach that level
@@harryk771 Not polish even if the last name is. I don't like poland also since it's the most homophobic country in the EU and it's full of drunk hooligans.
I think Vaush realized there was no winning in this debate and turned to vulgarity to see if he could get a rise. The ploy didn’t work. He appeared to view Muslims as prudes, not realizing that halal sex is encouraged. Vaugh showed a sad sorry version of life versus DH.
Somehow the level of degeneracy keeps increasing with each debate, when you think you’ve seen it all, The Neckbeard King of Coomers shows up and debates in one of the most vulgar and insulting ways I’ve ever seen
InshaAllah, I will put out a video with the citations and studies cited in this debate in the near future! This is a huge issue that is destroying societies around the world.
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Brother, what was the point in arguing against it through a secular/empirical approach when as Muslims, as you yourself mentioned in the debate, divine commandment is sufficient for us? I understand that his foundation for morality is completely different than ours, but why not debate that foundation itself (i.e. why divine commandment is a more coherent basis for morality than Liberalism/Marxism)? Next time, pick a better debate topic where you can resort to the teachings of Islam rather than purely empirical studies. Just my honest thoughts, I hope you don’t take offense to it. May Allah give you more success in the future.
Brother Daniel May Allah bless and reward you. However, you missed the part that this guy is an atheist. Atheists hold a subjective moral view, nothing would be wrong in his eyes. He said he’s against peeping-toms but he’s totally okay with women in the sex slave industry (I.E p*rn) to be used and abused for his own perverted gratification. The reason the government doesn’t ever want to ban it is because of MONEY there’s a lot of money in the p*rn industry.
Telegram not available in Pakistan..
Vaush was absolutely hypocritical and resorting to disgusting vulgar language because he couldn’t deal with the logic and reason you were providing. He projects what he’s guilty of onto others.
Brother I recommend not having debates like that because these people doesn't have a standard to hold them to.
They can say what ever they want an deny what ever they want any time .hope you best ajr
before i reverted i used to listen to this guy everyday for a year. I feel embarrassed.
he is way to much overrated
Allah guided you since then
Me too man.
@@fidelcatsro6948 why is your name fidel castro? he was of the same ilk as this guy. atheist and communist.
Even if I was a crazy, atheist leftist, I can’t ever imagine watching someone as smug as him.
Thanks for coming on again, Daniel! It was amazin'!
uuuhmazin!
ur biased, host a debate on the trinity if youre so unbiased
@@profanotherletter4346 he's hosted christian-muslim debates
@@Solarius1983 he said the trinity is "too advanced" of a topic and denied willing debaters debates about it 🤣🤣
@@profanotherletter4346 I said Christian-Muslim debates. Not a Debate soley about the Trinity
Ad hominem, Vulgarity, Strawman and Redherrings is all Vaush had to offer, he also completely avoided the topic and kept going on about banning porn when the topic is if porn is bad, a clear moral question. Daniel didn't say much in this debate because Vaush repulsed the audience with every statement he made
@@gideondavid30 vaush agreed in the first 10 mins that Porn is harmful so what was left to debate??
vaush is kinda bad, coming from a genuine leftist, not some cock-screeching libtard
“If you want to destroy any nation without war, make adultery or nudity common in the young generation."
-Salahuddin Ayyubi
@Allah USA is held by money and power when it goes off them they will not stay united like ıran
@Allah just wait a little longer
@Allah tends to happen when you get bombed to kingdom come by western countries
@Allah You think the USA is not slowly declining? The US is not a paradise, there are neighborhoods worse than "3rd world" countries there. People tend to be extremely divided and are very unhappy. The US has a strong military which is why no one messes with it, we as Muslims used to be very strong military wise but due to the division of the Muslim word, we have fallen greatly, not even mentioning the impact of colonialism and the invasions and bombings of Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.
@Allah Iran is sanctioned
I wonder if Muslim feminists realise that these are the type of men they actually are aligning with
Don't Muslim feminists not like porn
They do realize that, feminists are all about female autonomy, sexual liberation, debauchery and rebelliousness.
Always ignore the feminist argument about equal rights and respect, because she doesn't care about that at all, she just uses that to get you on her side, her real goal is what I mentioned before, feminists are the most vilest creatures on earth, the solution us not to give them advice them or entertain their bs, the solution is to immediately expel them from your communities and homes, and if possible apply the appropriate Islamic punishments on her as soon as possible.
@@randomhuman2595 "our body our choice"
Go figure
You mean the guy who thinks they should get a hundred lashes for showing their hair?
@@pomponi0 I don't know of any ruling that prescribes 100 lashes for showing hair; but yes, we do have lashes prescribed for adultery and fornication, and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact that's great for societal health! 😀
As someone who is recovering from this addiction, all I can say that's it's harmful for the soul and mental health.
Withdrawal symptoms are a real pain to deal with, I've receiving migraines a lot recently.
It really is an addiction that shouldn't be taken lightly, my advice is to never touch it or you'll be stuck in an endless loop of relapse and trying to quit.
Please make dua for me so I can live a better life
Brother try fasting every Monday and Thursdays. It's sunnah and it really helps to cool the urge down.
May Allah swt make you strong enough to resist the temptations of shaytaan. Ameen
Honestly throw your computer and cell phone in the ocean and leave your house more. Whatever you do don't stay home. This is something you will struggle with for the rest of your life. I also suffer from addiction and the truth is it never goes away but if you can atleast destroy anything that gives you access it'll improve. Imagine an alcoholic with beer at alcohol at his house? It doesn't make sense. Get rid of the alcohol. Get a flip phone. You don't need a computer anyway it mostly just makes people lazy and waste time. If you need to get information or learn something go to the library.
You can make a promise to Allah that you will never do it again, and swear upon the Quran. Maybe it will help.
Try to find things to do, that you enjoy doing. They do keep you entertained and rewire your brain to have pleasure from things other that porn.
Also, try to surround yourself with people so that you are not left alone.
And finally, and most importantly: ask Allah to strengthen you. Because without his support, you will not succeed.
Brother i know i am 4 weeks late, but i want you to know that there's still hope for you. In shaa Allah you will get better. I don't know where you are from or what situation you are in but getting yourself a righteous wife really helps a lot and althought it doesn't completely mitigates it but you struggle way way less. I am not a professional or anything i am just a fellow brother but if you do need help just talk to me we can find ways to communicate and perhaps i might be of help in shaa Allah
Brother Daniel, you were very patient and academically argued while Vaush resorted to insults, swearing, and vulgarity.
It's a recurring theme with these atheists.
one could argue his porn use was coming out in his verbage. his own life being evidence against him
He’s a streamer that has no real purpose in life, of course he’ll defend porn.
His argument was basically "porn releases dopamine that's why it's pleasurable and that's harmless since a father holding his child releases similar chemicals of happiness" - HOWEVER this still doesn't defend his stance on porn being "harmless." Dopamine is released when taking destructive drugs, and dopamine is also released when a man buys a sports car, but the car won't destroy your body like drugs would. It's apples and oranges, all his analogies were way off, he was equivocating like no tomorrow. Studies show that porn DOES destroy an individual, the biggest one and I asked him this and he conceded to it but dodged it by saying its the "person's fault" not porn. I asked him to address the research and reports that women constantly complain that since their men watch porn it ruins their relationship and sex life. This is because men see these fake porn stars with their cosmetic figures and compare their wives to it and mentally shame their wives, and also aren't happy with their wives since their wives cannot replicate these fake stunts done by porn stars. This has been talked about time and time again. There are women that have came out and said that their boyfriends/husbands can't even "get it up" to please them but its only porn that does it for them so they leave their wives waiting while they find a porn video they like so they can get it up and have sex with their wives while fantasizing about the porn video instead of the women they're with.
2:19:46 "If only we had the luster in your moms eyes after I blew my load after her face, if only we can all be that happy, honest to God, I know it's a joke, but people like that are really f*cking creepy [...]"
I mean, he says something incredibly creepy and calls others creepy? What kind of guy is this?
Everything Daniel said about porn is a fact. Vaush did not want to stay on topic but rather throw insults or commit to fallacies.
A Christian monarchist. That's unfathomably based. You've probably read de Maistre, haven't you?
@@fromthesouthofafrica6815 Oh of course! Joseph De Maistre and St Thomas Aquinas.
Vaush:* after Daniel rejects his one random/obscure study *
You only accept data when it suits your bias!
Also Vaush: *calls numerous studies from credible sources sus because they disprove his point*
Exactly
Timestamp please
His argument was basically "porn releases dopamine that's why it's pleasurable and that's harmless since a father holding his child releases similar chemicals of happiness" - HOWEVER this still doesn't defend his stance on porn being "harmless." Dopamine is released when taking destructive drugs, and dopamine is also released when a man buys a sports car, but the car won't destroy your body like drugs would. It's apples and oranges, all his analogies were way off, he was equivocating like no tomorrow. Studies show that porn DOES destroy an individual, the biggest one and I asked him this and he conceded to it but dodged it by saying its the "person's fault" not porn. I asked him to address the research and reports that women constantly complain that since their men watch porn it ruins their relationship and sex life. This is because men see these fake porn stars with their cosmetic figures and compare their wives to it and mentally shame their wives, and also aren't happy with their wives since their wives cannot replicate these fake stunts done by porn stars. This has been talked about time and time again. There are women that have come out and said that their boyfriends/husbands can't even "get it up" to please them but its only porn that does it for them so they leave their wives waiting while they find a porn video they like so they can get it up and have sex with their wives while fantasizing about the porn video instead of the women they're with.
Plus his study didnt say anything about relationships. It just said "improves sexual feeling with partner."
You can enjoy your partner and cheat on them. This study was such a red herring, too bad Daniel missed it..
@@msanii2 Daniel's data from multiple studies- 1:24:01
Vaush's one study- 1:28:38
Watch 1:23:16 to 1:38:59 for the whole discussion/context.
His assumption that every Muslim consumes porn highlights how ignorant he is of Islam and the transformative effects it has and has had on the Muslims. I accepted Islam about 16 years ago and have never even once since then consumed pornographic material Al-Hamdulillah.
Really enjoyed the debate (despite his unhinged vulgarity). May Allah bless you and increase you in ilm and sabr.
This is the curse of liberalism, atheism, secularism and other such ideologies. Even when clear evidence of the harm of their degeneracy is presented to them, they will still deny it in order to satisfy their desires.
"And when it is said to them, 'Do not cause corruption on the Earth' they say, 'We are but reformers'. Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters but they perceive [it] not"
~ Surah al-Baqarah, 2:11-12
exactly
Good reference
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This guy's behaviour during the debate is an evidence that porn is bad for you. Who seems like a more balanced human being, Daniel or Vaush?
Exactly, he kept saying "big t**ties" and making crude "ej**ulation" remarks over and over... porn has utterly fried his brain.
@@famo7503 I noticed how Vaush decided to be far more vulgar with what he says in this debate. Usually I don’t see that in other debates or in his videos. Vaush did nothing but change the subjects himself with constant interruptions, passive aggressive insults, misinterpretations, no backing of his degenerate arguements and had no intention of proper debate.
well daniel advocates child marriages and sex slaves so i dunno man.. 😕
He’s doing it to trigger the cavemen watching
@@Jb-du5xt degenerates are better at rantings
That was literally a crap show on his part. You did great, Daniel. Vaush is a child. I have already done a 30 min review of it. Once I get done producing it, it will premier today at 12pm est. Great work as always. I'd like to have you for a discussion on this debate if you'd like. Let me know. Either way, may Allah bless and reward you and your family, ameen!
Aamiinn 🤲
JAK brother, would love to
@@MuslimSkeptic Alhumdulilah I changed the time for the review to 12 pm EST today. Insha'Allah
@@MuslimSkeptic dear Daniel whatever happened with your sister was inhumane crime I know it changed you to a great detail but Sharia,and islam are also not perfect not part of solution you are very academically gifted you can make world better place by your knowledge not by being muslim apologist.Pursue physics and philosophy which you have degree as great carrier
@@rastafarian8655 talking points from Harris snailtan i see
Before being religious I used to speak just like Vaush, I thought it gave me a cooler, more real behavior. Looking back it was just extremely cringy and corny.
When Vaush’s supporters grow older they’ll see the same in him, Jazakhallah Khair for your efforts Daniel.
The guy thinks his cool lol with light blue background.. probably hasn’t left his echo chamber in days
I relate
Ahahaha I swear I was thinking the same...I bet he feels so cool saying t*****s when in reality he just sounds like a 13 year old
You were never an atheist
"I used to speak just like vaush""😂😂
Daniel supports child marriage which is on par with child po*n, maybe even worse.
shut the f*** up😵
@@marquis3058 Where did I claim to be an athiest
Porn hardens the heart and takes us away from Allah Swt
may Allah protect us
Whey should people care about Allah. Prove there is an Allah. It's like saying it's bring you away from fairies
@@seandriver7923
There is No atheist in a sinking ship
Read a Quran, especially its more scientific aspects that couldn't be known at the time of the prophet @seandriver7923
@@seandriver7923 If you don’t care about God, that’s to your demise
Wallahi the moment he said "No I believe people have the *right* to cheat on their spouse" I had to go pray man I couldn't believe the fahisha coming out of this guy's mouth and that was like the moment I had to take a break.
Also, literally laughed out loud when they asked bout f*rries and Daniel just said "Sounds degenerate to me"
I need the time stamp of the furry scene haha
1:39:42
@@jaredwoodrow7922 thank you!!!
*Timestamps:*
00:00 - Standby
01:01 - Introduction: Topic of the Debate
01:14 - Daniel's Opening Statement
12:17 - Vaush's Opening Statement
19:38 - P*rn: Correlation vs Causation
24:46 - Discussion on M*sturbation & its issues
26:36 - Problems with P*rn & Artificial Stimulus
32:19 - Discussion on Restriction Laws
34:21 - Ill effects of P*rn & Drugs on the brain
37:16 - Banning P*rn & Drugs: Good or Bad?
59:43 - Does P*rn help lonely people?
1:01:51 - Bad treatment of the P*rn actors
1:03:32 - Where to draw the line on P*rn?
1:06:30 - Methods of P*rn ban & their effectiveness
1:13:55 - Was Banning of Alcohol by the US successful?
1:15:43 - Authoritative Ban & Social Awareness on Harmful things
1:20:01 - Video game addiction vs P*rn addiction
1:21:35 - Dangers of P*rn addiction
1:23:04 - Adverse effects of p*rn on Relationships
1:25:15 - Longitudinal studies: Correlative or Causative?
1:26:15 - How to enable good relationships?
1:28:26 - Impact of P*rn on Relationships
1:30:56 - Discussion on Studies & Gay Adoption
_QnA_
1:39:11 - Daniel & Vaush's views on F*rry P*rn?
1:40:52 - Would P*rn be good if Islam allowed it?
1:42:31 - Is P*rn good for the human body?
1:45:40 - Random questions
1:46:26 - The problem of P*rn & other addictions
1:47:20 - Drug addiction vs P*rn addiction
1:52:47 - Correlation vs Causation w.r.t P*rn studies
1:54:56 - The Nuances of Islamic rulings on prohibitions
1:56:11 - Scientific studies vs Islamic teachings
1:57:30 - Dangers of P*rn addiction
1:59:23 - Easy accessibility of P*rn vs Drugs
2:00:48 - P*rn being harmful for the society
2:01:37 - P*rn making Society Meek & Docile
2:03:41 - Obscenity Laws on P*rn
2:08:31 - Empirical studies vs Moral Values
2:10:49 - Bad effects of Drugs/P*rn on the Brain
2:12:23 - P*rn Ban vs harmful effects of P*rn
2:13:47 - P*rn being stigmatised throughout history
2:19:27 - Vaush being very Obscene
2:20:50 - Enforcing morality on Media
2:21:37 - US Govt.'s laws curtailing 1st amendment right
2:24:59 - Polygamy in Islam
2:26:17 - Authoritative Ban vs Cultural shift against P*rn
2:29:17 - How are Free P*rn sites funded?
2:30:13 - Random Questions
2:30:49 - How is P*rn Harmful?
2:32:29 - Regulating Human Relationships
2:33:36 - Effectiveness of Restrictions
2:35:52 - Vaush's views on Child P*rn?
2:36:05 - Who won the debate?
2:36:27 - Quantifying negative effects of P*rn
2:37:36 - The Complexity of Societal issues
2:38:28 - Empirical Data vs Moral Values
2:40:04 - P*rn causing infidelity vs preventing it
2:41:11 - Traditional Religions vs P*rn
2:42:55 - P*rn rewiring the Brain
2:43:53 - Effectiveness of physical punishment
2:44:31 - P*rn causing Poor S*x lives
2:45:45 - Vaush's views on Right to Privacy
2:46:37 - Islamic view of S*x
2:48:06 - Are Alpha males real?
2:49:04 - Vaush's views on animated child p*rn
2:52:34 - Israel using P*rn as psychological warfare
2:53:50 - Vaush using Insults & Obscenity
2:54:16 - Random questions
2:54:59 - Vaush's views on Polygamy
2:55:57 - Vaush being Insultive
2:56:39 - Vaush's views on Hyper realistic drawings of children
2:57:36 - Daniel's Clarification
2:58:37 - Problem of Child P*rn on the Internet
3:00:12 - Islamic ethics vs Vaush's ethics
3:00:29 - Effective ways to curb P*rn addiction
3:01:56 - Random questions
3:02:58 - What should be the legal age of consent?
3:04:47 - Traditional Buddhism being Patriarchal
3:06:10 - Islamic Societies hitting replacement rates
3:06:59 - Vaush explains his views on Right to Privacy
3:08:30 - Has Vaush watched Child P*rn?
3:09:14 - Vaush leaves
3:10:10 - Link b/w P*rn & R*pes
3:10:40 - Closing Remarks
_May Allah ﷻ bless you Brother Daniel and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
Thanks bro!
Thank you
Saiid, akhi, you are a blessing.
Thank you akhi!
Daniel have to thank you for that
Vaush does a great job at representing the morality of athiests
What morality lol
@@Spined1234 I think he meant their Im-morality. Lol
@Allah According to years of empirical research, findings indicate that religion decreases propensities for criminal behavior
@Allah Dumb argument. The vast majority of people aren't atheists so of course there's going to be more religious people in prison.
And can you provide me a source showing that most crimes are related to religion?
@Allah because the vast majority of people are religious and not atheists... Are you dumb or something?
I am begrudgingly agnostic, and displays like this make me embarrassed to even tangentially share an agnostic worldview with a person like Vaush. Daniel won this debate in every way possible, and Vaush’s behavior was disgraceful. Appreciate you Daniel.
@@heftbullard8273 and why do you think that?
@@heftbullard8273 I see where you’re coming from, but I’m extremely private with my spirituality in real life, partly for that reason. I use the term “begrudgingly” to express that I wish I was a faithful person by nature, because I’ve seen the value of religion. But I am not faithful by nature, so that prevents me from returning to Christianity because in my heart I’d be faking it. The older I get, the more I value order, and the more I despise the hedonistic culture we’re surrounded with. The only thing I can do is keep reading.
@@nighthowell Yes, that's what makes the whole philosophy seem so deflated to me- the wishing. You shouldn't have to wish, or be afraid of anything for fear's sake, as you are with modernity or hedonism without a church or nothing backing you up.
@@heftbullard8273 I'm not picking up what you're putting down with the last half of that, but here's the thing: yes, agnosticism is inherently wishy-washy and deflated. However, there are other dimensions to people. I am also a reliable dad and husband with a steady job. I make sure my parents are taken care of. So I am not a wishy-washy person. I've also been closer to seeing death than most people my age because I am a cancer survivor. People have their own struggles; I'm sure you have yours. I am reading C.S. Lewis, parts of the Bible, trying to figure things out.
@@nighthowell God doesn't expect you to be perfect however he expects you to have resolve and strive to better yourself. Although I'm Muslim and hope that you study more about Islam. That's not an excuse for you to ignore Christianity because you're actions don't align with Christianity.
The fact that even Ted Bundy thought pornography was bad.. It’s mind-boggling that there are people in this era who not only watch porn but advocate for it as if it’s something good. I honestly can’t even make sense of the world anymore. It feels like I’m trapped in a simulation and there are AI robots around me, lol.
Ted Bundy 😂😂😂
@@Just_logic not funny. it’s actually very real and scary. 🌽 can mess up your mind real bad and things can get way out of control if you keep doing it. It drains you out and leaves you without any motivation to do anything and worse of all it’s haram
@@__.44 I actually agreed with you but you missed the point.
Ted Bundy probably could have used to let out his urges a little
Not defending porn but Bundy was a compulsive liar who said what he said in an attempt to manipulate a delay to his execution. Really bad person to cite. His words mean nothing.
Vaush swearing and insulting you exemplifies how you backed him into a corner. He does not usually resort to such tactics often, as I've seen some of his previous debates where he does not do so to the extent that he has done today. You remained respectful and did not reciprocate even when he referred to your wife in a vulgar manner. You have high patience, MashaAllah.
I called him out on it when it was during the QA that it’s been proven time and time again that insults during a debate are glaring proof the person lost to their opponent.
What did he say about Daniel’s wife?? I didn’t watch the debate as I knew the low levels this person was going to go
@@khalidelhag7935 2:47:35
@@oicz disgusting humans these so called “enlightened liberals”
Vaush is filled with disdain for religion and religious people and his militant atheism will always come through once he's pushed enough.
Daniel , may Allah bless you. This debate was actually great. It really shows why Islam is so important and protects us from such shamelessness.
Vaush is a walking advertisement for organized religion. A degenerate neckbeard who doesn't want to tell anyone that anything is better or worse because it would involve "the state" and be "oppressive" so he'd rather let society crumble while he streams from his basement...
ameen
Daniel's opening statement was sufficient enough to secure the debate.
Exactly! Tbh, even a sharp 12 year old can win this debate against Vaush (extremely deluded and immoral). Ustadh Daniel washed Vaush to the point where he was intellectually ripped apart from every angle.
Yes!!
Why? Humans aren't butterflies. Fuck, according to Islam, humans aren't even related to animals.
@@pomponi0 They're not? Thank you for the science lesson. We didn't know that
@@imammurrah5870 Yeah, it's crazy how DNA analysis says humans and chimps are pretty much the same, how they can catch human diseases, how we can infer split points between different species and then it coincides with geologic data and the fossil record, etc. and yet we're not related at all. Surely, Allah is the Best of Deceivers 🙇🙇🙇🕋
The problem with topics like porn, drugs, alcohol, extra marital sex, etc is that no matter how immoral or harmful you prove them to be, a liberal will always just fall back on “mUh PerSonaL frEedOm.” People have been propagandized into thinking that the a right to harm oneself is a good thing and freedom is the only/highest moral value.
When Muslim brings up common good for the society they will cling to "mUh LiberTY" and then will have no problem with government forcing vax and masks on entire population also for the so called common good. They have no leg to stand on.
And when they get that their life is fucked up because of the "personal freedom" they try their best to justify and normalize drugs alcohol etc..to feel better about themselves . such a pathetic life
Their idole. And don't you dare doubting about personal freedom. It does exist !
this is how you break the personal freedom argument, with the case of porn:
1) lower quality of life and standard of living...negative mental health which in turn puts a strain on health care systems.
2) the people involved in porn tend to get washed out become addicts and commit suicide
3) freedom is fine and dandy, but when it leads to self half that's a societal issue.
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They also want to push it on other people.
JazakAllah brother Daniel for the debate. Vaush was extremely rude and showed exactly what p*** addiction can do to someone's mind. He couldn't argue at all and only resorted to insults, swearing, and dirty language.
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dirty brain, dirty language, dirty mind
To be honest it was pretty funny
It is as E Michael Jones said. "you have a darkened mind" (refering to the EMJ- Vaush debate on porn).
imagine debating whether porn is bad or not... we live in a lost society.
(فإنها لا تعمى الأبصار ولكن تعمى القلوب التي في الصدور)
صدق الله العظيم
@Abul-Abbas al-Asyuti
Greetings brother
Just because he is perverted, he thinks everyone is the same
I still can’t believe this was something that was debatable. May Allah reward you brother Daniel, for your patience in this debate and commitment to the dawah.
ameen
You don't think it's debatable whether or not women should get lashings
@@pomponi0 Both men and women get lashings. Equality bro!
@@imammurrah5870 yeah but don't forget men are on average much stronger than women, and also women's testimony is worth half of a man's. Girls younger than 9 can be married by force by their guardians, literal toddlers can have their vaginas destroyed, etc.
Al I supposed to believe Islam is a beautiful religion? Lmao
Vaush made my Islam stronger. Alhamdulilah I am Muslim.
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Brother, I recommend changing your name to 'Allah Over Everything '. While Islam is His religion, He Himself is still the only One that is above everything.
Seeing him makes you even more disgusted by liberalism and atheism.
God is not physically above anything.
The Pron apologist Vaush who conveniently looks and talks like a discord mod keeps equivocating his points (not to mention several straw mans and red herrings) and using extreme comparisons that he keeps claiming daniel is making but didn’t cite any relevant (or any at all) empirical study himself. When its apparent that doesn’t stick in the grand scheme of the debate he gets emotional. Major L.
mA Daniel for letting the logic show itself and ignoring the offensive remarks he so casually and often slid in.
I was watching his stream initially and the comments were absolutely disgusting.
Vaush: calls Daniel out for "narrativisation"
Also Vaush: goes on to do the exact same thing immediately after
Self awareness goes out of the window, when you're a chronic masturbator.
No he didn't, he admitted to not allowing gay adoption if it meant that it was harming the child, he just asked for a reason as to why it is harming the child and if the reason is avoidable. Daniel will never be for gay adoption even if its the best thing in the world because Islam says gay marriage is bad.
@@carlemthe3rd401 if it was something good islam wouldn't prohibit it. The fact of the matter is that islam wil only allow things that are good and prohibit things that are bad. That is the reason why sexual behaviour other than intercourse between man and women is prohibited.
It would be strange if God would prohibit good things and allow bad things.
@@carlemthe3rd401 Of course because we don't rely on empiricism to derive our morality from. Morality for us is what God commands us to do and to not do. The problem exists for those who deny God and yet seek to attain uniform and consistent morality.
This dude really rejected the objective harm of pornography by comparing it to food lmao. You gotta be joking.
The same argument can be made of food. Unnatural hyper-addictive food such as fast food, processed foods are bad for human health and society. They are a net harm all around, no matter how good they taste or how convenient they are similar to porn. It’s a net harm.
However, natural sexual relations between a man and woman within a marriage are a net positive as is good healthy, natural food.
@Allah sure I’m aware of that but the essence of the argument had nothing to do with addiction it was more so on the consumption. He straw man’d the argument that’s what’s laughable because he can’t refute the actual harams of pornography
@Allah Porn doesn’t need to be addictive to be extremely harmful
This is a fallacy. the relationship between man and woman is not necessary for survival on an individual level. But food is absolutely necessary for survival on every level.
Watch “Vaush is unironically evil” and you will get what this guy is all about. He doesn’t believe in anything, in actuality. He just thinks rhetoric is a nice tool to manipulate people.
Vaush clearly lost when he resorted to insults instead of making points to support his argument.
Actually Vaush won because now even Muslims get to hear all that vomit coming out of his mouth!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 ratio
Muslim: gets married, has a healthy marriage and has 2-4 kids
Athiest: doesnt get married or gets divorced has 1 kids and 3 dogs
This shows you who will succeed
Daniel brought this up in his debate with tjunk. Tjunk was trying to paint this beautiful utopia of secular societies and Daniel mentioned about how he’s in a beautiful marriage and has kids while tjunk is (LITERALLY) sitting on a chair in his mothers basement and unmarried.
@@ibrahimbaghdadi2187 ya its more like 6 to 10
Dude, those 3 dogs were force-bred to be ill from birth (see pugs faces, hips of the German Shephard being chronically diseased) and if they are male dogs, they additionally chop their balls off because they don't behave how they want it to behave and then they trap these animals in tiny apartments/houses while saying "We love dogs". Hypocrisy runs deep. Especially when they gas and put up to 1-2 million dogs to sleep per year in America alone.
It just shows you what they are willing to do to fulfill their desires.
@@wudafek8561 yeah get 2 first then we'll see.
Marriage is dead even in Muslim societies because of women and feminism. No wonder why men are sad and lonely modern women are delusional and think they’re all 10s holy shit.
Christian here, this guy got absolutely shredded lol
who got shredded
@@tempacct5812 the leftie dude
@@ghadiayoub7215 you gotta a Muslim name brother
@@redditia3202 Ghadi is arab not muslim, it comes from "غد+ي" as in a possessive future. I am indeed an arab christian antiochian orthodox.
@@ghadiayoub7215 ok, I guess "Ayoub" is a prophet in christianity?
as a victim of porn addiction having been exposed at an extremely young age, I am thankful that are you are speaking out against this topic. I have suffered from many forms of addiction and addicts basically cannot admit when they are wrong or when something is negatively affecting them because they've lived with it for so long. my last 3 partners were also sex workers and I have porn on the internet with them. I recently tried having sex with a friend and I couldn't get into it basically because it was normal sex.
i suggest you to fast ( from sunrise to sunset) / nofap for 2 3 months then god willing u will be cured .. basIcally u need to make your buddy ask for even a normal sex .. and u need faith to keep strong in this period !
Try to abstain from this sort of thing until you are married...it could be because this person was a friend. The abstinence will make the longing better for when it is eventually called for in marriage. We cannot erase the past which can be harmful for someone who has been victimized in this way, but we can work on the future. I realize this is easier said than done...perhaps if you are with likeminded people it will be easier with more accountability. I hope this can help at least a little bit. With God all things are possible!
Brother read this book "your brain on porn" .. It will explains to you how you will get rid of that addiction and I pray you will be free from it soon
As an alcoholic I would like to making drinking illegal for everyone.
My advice. Stop sex, stop porn, stop masturbating. What u need to do is join a soup kitchen for the poor. Keep yourself busy from sunrise to midnight. Wake up early, pray fajr, read the morning Azkar, read Quran. All this will help you. Then go out of your house. Don't stay home. After you finish work go help the poor, the refugees, orphans or your parents or anyone at all. Come home only if you can sleep. If u can't sleep without masturbating, then go sleep in a mosque. Hope this helps. A lot of us are struggling with addiction. I found this helpful.
Shaykh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah رحمه الله said:
❝ Insulting, slandering, and being aggressive during a discussion are tricks of those who are weak and a commodity of those who are bankrupt (in ‘ilm). Verily, refutations based upon insults and intimidation, everyone has the capability of doing that.❞
- Majmu al-Fatawa, 4/186
The topic was "Is porn Bad?"
Throughout the debate, it seemed as though Vaush readily conceded and was much more concerned with the logistics on how to go about it
There were so many logical inconsistencies in his speech it was painfully hilarious that he continued to march on
Vaush did answer, although not very directly. He answered the question by making a comparison between highly processed sugary foods and pron and some other points. His argument is essentially that pron is good or neutral because it brings pleasure, which doesn't require any proof or explanation which is why it seemed like he was "avoiding" the question, it's axiomatic. He also refuted the studies of why pron is bad with some points which led to a stalemate, and naturally brought about the argument of what Daniel thinks should be done because HE thinks it's so bad.
@@carlemthe3rd401 it brings pleasure in that moment but can be detrimental long term.
@@carlemthe3rd401 He didn't refute the studies. In fact his counter argument to those got shut down. Daniel had to explain how research works. Science can show how a thing can be good or bad for society and at the same time the benefits and harms of a thing at any capacity.
A thing having something good to it doesn't make it all good as it may have more bad associated with it than good. A thing can cause more harm than good. Like Cigars, they can give you cancer and kill you and at the same time increase your test and make you look cool etc.
Daniels argument still stands farm. He showed that porn is extremely harmful at all levels of consumption and can easily consume someone's life through addiction and the industry is constantly trying to make people addicts as well.
There was no refutation for these studies at all. Vaush just hand waved the studies and his counter was porn provided some satisfaction to couples to which Daniel brought up the Smoking example to show that there were many research institutes that published researches that showed smoking in a positive light. Such as you getting pleasure and such. That isn't enough as that is the case with all harmful addicting substances to which porn is likened to by academics. Frankly, this debate made this commentator look horrible at debates. Clearly Vaush got his credibility arguing about racism, Palestine etc. easy to score topics.
@@carlemthe3rd401 just because something brings pleasure doesn't make it good. someone can derive pleasure from torturing a child
@@iamjustaguy12345 Then you have to explain *why* the thing is bad. Daniel can't do that because any answer is a variation of "because my holy book says so" or "because it leads to an outcome that my holy book says is bad". Daniel claimed porn led to unhappy relationships and Vaush debunked it. Daniel said criminalizing drugs and alcohol is good and possible, and Vaush demonstrated that it only made things worse (created organized crime, caused much human suffering and also consumption of the bad things remained the same, if not skyrocketed). Daniel said punishing offenders helps them overcome their addiction and Vaush demonstrated that decriminalizing and treating people offers a much better outcome.
Hi Daniel, this might be my first time commenting on anything ever, not just TH-cam, even though I observe/use social media often. But I just wanted to highlight the importance of your work, although I am still in the stages of taking in everything (yours and others' opinions) with a grain of salt. Anyways, I'm a 27 year old female who had the somewhat typical immigrant Muslim family background-moved to Canada from Bangladesh when I was a baby, parents taught Islam (loosely) because it was in their culture, I believed in it, then faith strengthened in my early teens after the "scientific miracles of the Quran" trend years back, even started wearing the hijab midteens. But then slowly started losing faith and disconnecting, took off the hijab one year after, started siding with the criticisms of Islam/religion more (esp backlash of the scientific stuff), and by the time I was 20 I strongly believed in Feminism and liberation and completely lived the secular, western lifestyle (edit: deleted some past sins). I'm an artist, so it doesn't help that arts culture goes hand in hand with progressive values. I went to a well-respected University and specialized in business management, minored in Philosophy. Now I'm doing a Masters in a very liberal university for artists. So you can guess how this further validated my feminist and liberal values (i.e. surrounded by business-minded women, questioning the existence of God, etc) All the while my parents were practicing the religion even more. Around 24, I told my dad I wasn't Muslim anymore, which was probably extremely scary for him.
Earlier this year, I visited my relatives in Bangladesh. All the elders became a lot more religious than they were when I was younger. I would feel kind of sad that they strongly believed in something so "backwards" but I wouldn't disrespect their beliefs. I disregarded it as them not having the education background that we had access to in the west. However, I would get slightly annoyed/uncomfortable when they would advise me on Islamic rules. This caused me to look at videos on why Islam is false, which there are thousands of. I agreed with those points. They seemed valid. However, one videos showed up of a debate. It featured AP and you. Let me tell you, it really shifted my perspective. I started watching your other videos starting from the very first one. I haven't gotten around to all of them, but I never thought that I would start feeling that intense connection to Islam again. I feel overwhelmed because there is still so much to learn. I sometimes have insomnia going back and forth between for and against. I also watch other debates with Muslims vs Non Muslims (for instance on the actual Modern Day Debate channel), but the Muslim stance don't seem to be as strong and I go into another spiral of questioning the beliefs. It's mostly your knowledge that's keeping me digging deeper. I am thinking about joining your course as I get anxious about answering criticism as my peers don't believe in religion at all and the distance between me and my friends will grow, and I need a solid base to accept this. Anyways, I really hope I get to see you speak with world famous accredited atheists/non-muslims one day. Thank you for taking the time and energy for opening a lot of people's minds and strengthening beliefs in this era of modernism, and I hope you continue to address criticisms.
Hey there! You should definitely enroll at Alasna Institute. The courses are awesome. May Allah (سبحانه و تعالى) guide you back to Islam, sister. Ameen!
Alhamdulillah, you have found your way back to the truth. May Allah guide you and help you in strengthening your beliefs further. You should definitely enroll at Alasna Institute. And, may Allah bless our brother Daniel abundantly in this world and hereafter.
May allh guide you
Ignore this guy above me, I sincerely hope Allah(SWT) guides you inshaAllah. I don’t recommend learning about Islam from MDD as those are mostly non-Academic Muslims. Take it from me as a convert to Islam that after watching thousands of videos on the Deen in particular from Thought Adventure Podcast, EA Dawah, Hamza’s Den, and One Message Foundation that Islam is the only religion that is true. I can even provide some evidence for if you really want.
Btw there’s even been instances of a fake Muslim going on MDD
Brother Daniel You are a MAN for still using good and gentle language while Vaush uses obscene and insultive words
Vaush: Daniel, you believe everything you think harmful should be banned. This is completely ridiculous.
Also Vaush: I like it. So it should be legal
Secular liberalism in a nutshell.
How do you think this is a problem? He thinks you should ban things based on how harmful something is, thus the constant "what is the harm". Therefore if something is banned with no demonstration of harm and you like that thing you'd argue for it being unbanned? This is like 30 IQ shit.
Ustadh Daniel washed Vaush to the point where Vaush was intellectually ripped apart from every angle. May Allah ﷻ bless Ustadh Daniel. Ameen!
@@j0kez708 Wishy-washy (his life).
The Muslim Skeptic does a great job representing Islam. Also he is very academically and religiously educated.
The guest ran to generalisations to demonstrate the unability to ban porn websites. "Do you want to ban the internet?!"
Weird
I would take that as him conceding that porn is ultimately harmful.
Alhamdulillah for Islam and Tawheed ☝️
Wallah If you know how I appreciate how lucky we are to be muslims 🥺❤
ameen
The Vaush dude is extremely rude and disrespectful. I'm just so grossed out by his horrible manners and attitude. Alhumdulillah for Islam. Even when we debate we exhibit manners. BarakAllah feekum akhi.
I mean…he’s a communist and Leftism is his religion. These people have no God and hence low morals. They call anyone they disagree with fascist even though they are the fascists themselves.
seriously, someone who thinks drugs aren't harmful shouldn't be trusted with any opinion.
@Allah someone who thinks taking drugs is a good choice and healthy shouldn't be trusted with any opinion.
Absolutely no filter on this guy. What ever is on his mind he says no matter how vile it is.
hes ``American`` like he said ,so its ok.
Rate Daniel for his calm response. World not want to ever shake athiests hand.
In conclusion:
All juvenile humans that live in lala land would support vaush.
All adults with an actual experience to reality side with Daniel.
Just the fact that we are having a discussion where the topic is: is pornography bad, goes to show how far a nose dive our society has taken 😞
It's funny how the people that argue for freedom to do whatever u want are the most depressed...
This was the final nail in the coffin for me, vaush is evil.
Thank you Daniel, from a Christian
What can u expect from a disgusting sodomite
his language and the way he talks about women’s body parts tells me all i need to know. he is a vile individual, and you don’t need religion to see this. the majority of those who consume p*rn are men, and has done nothing but brainwash them into believing women are sex objects to be violated. again, this isn’t even from my muslim POV because “it’s haram”, it’s damaging young boys and girls alike, even causing them to abuse their siblings and whatnot.
and i don’t believe what he said about child abuse going down in numbers. child abuse videos are rife on the internet, and p*dos are getting younger. clearly someone is abusing children for this content to be made and shared every second.
Daniel thanks again for this debate. you held up well against this degenerate.
Guess which tribe own most of the porn production studios and even openly boast about spreading their filth, polluting the minds of the masses ?!! The yahud !
Daniel completely won this debate.
Salam sister
@@87cavemen8 Do you know her?
Vaush looks like the most stereotypical discord mod Ive ever seen
JazakAllah brother Daniel for the debate. Vaush was extremely vulgar and showed exactly what porn addiction can do to someone's mind. He couldn't argue at all and only resorted to insults and swearing.
Brother Danielle, you are doing great job in religious and non religious discussions and debates, a small advice actually your approach to these stubborn fanatics should be mild and accepting at the start, like understanding their strength and weakness and then being aggressive because that places you in strategically in right place for your viewers
Daniel
Danielle is a female name
Call him danyaal
3 hour debate. You know what that means? A 17-hour post-debate analysis. Can't wait!
This “man” is the pinnacle of the following hadith in Bukhari:
Abu Mas’ud reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, among the words people obtained from the Prophets are this: If you feel no shame, do as you wish.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3483
Lack of manners, distorted morality, and outright disrespectful to the audience. Always resorts to insolent comments. The no brainer to the question presented is definitely choose Islam. Collectively as a religion of truth, it calls to all that is pure, righteous, and beneficial to the human being to him/herself for their own success in this world as well as the next. Contrary to which this “man” lives by. His desires has become his God.
May Allah Swt help him and guide him. Jazakallahu Khairan Daniel for the debate.
Alhamdudillah for this deen.
VAUSH : "my mind is dirty like my mouth because im American" really sick
the level of patience of daniel is admirable, really learning alot from you man
debating like this with a huge handicap where you only use one type of evidence isnt easy
the guest was intentionally malicious, point for islam for pissing him off
Man i just love Daniel... He is really intelligent
Keep in mind, I've heard Vaush and other leftist say that insulting the conservative, or right leaning, or religious person during a debate is legitimate debate rhetoric. Their reasoning is that they are by default, and by definition, morally and intellectually superior to the opposing side. Some of them, like Vaush, might actually believe this, some just try to convince themselves of this notion.
Vaush : making drugs more accessible will lead to less drug addiction ...
Watching the way Daniel conducted himself was beautiful and pleasant considering the person he is debating, you're very patient and forgiving even when he's constantly insulting
I have nearly not seen a debate with Daniel where the other person did not try to escape the main topic of the debate. It is a common tactic it seems.
Sick heart only produce sick ideas. May ALLAH protect our heart and save us from this fitnah
Huge W to you Daniel. I don't know how these people have the audacity to speak like they have a leg to stand on when it comes what is good or bad. objectively that is
This was by far one of your best moments. It is tough to instantaneously come up with a well thought good answer however you tried your best, looking forward to the recap of this
You are so much more patient than I am with really rude people.
Vaush looks like reddit in human form 🤣🤣
@slashZ890 nah 4chan is largely alt right
The fact that this is debated in 2022 shows just how corrupt the world is
When we debate what is a woman this doesn’t surprise me
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@@bander-Coolb and the worst part is you have actual Muslim feminists that will come to the defense of the progressive left and say anyone who wants to can identify as a woman.
@@skylar4775 women are easily persuaded by material world men too but women more
Vasuh's point that we cannot outlaw masturbation without implementing a dystopian authoritarian state control but that's red herring.
The point isn't about outlawing masturbation which is impossible to enforce in the real world but about discouraging people from doing so and Pornography does the exact opposite thing by providing an artificial stimuli.
And it appeared to me that Vasuh claims to be anti-capitalism so he should be advocating for regulation of market but wouldn't that make him an authoritarian by his own definitions?
Good point
The thing is that Vaush's whole argument about this being a bottom up thing is totally false in my opinion. The only reason porn is so big is because of industry taking advantage of people's desires and the people who have most power in our societies especially America is the merchant class. One of the biggest reasons for policy change is the lobby which are financial elites so essentially all the policy change we have seen or will see especially in regards to sexual liberation like pornography laws, LGBT (possibly the P coming) etc. have been spearheaded by the financial elite so it's literally the definition of Top down. 😂 Also you're on point with the communism thing, one of the most authoritarian types of regime.
He said Muslim women can't get divorce
And also kinda said R*pe is allowed.
He also brought up the issue of Iran
Said what would Daniel do if he was the "Ayatollah"
Clearly showing he doesn't know what he is talking about.
He said one thing true though. Muslim women can't divorce.
@@juxtapositionMS they can. It's called 'khula'
@@salahaldin447 So they can do khula and that's not divorce, right?
@@juxtapositionMS it is divorce. Just the rules are a bit different.
@@salahaldin447 If it's divorce then why it's called khula?
What are the differences and why are they different?
The title of the debate is "is porn bad?" but when Daniel said to him let's get out of the law, Vaush doesn't want to do that and he says it's not actually about morality. He wants to keep it on legal terms because then he just calls you an authoritarian over and over and asks you about what other things you want to ban to make you look bad.
But the whole debate is supposed to be about morality.
Edit: Vaush later on even admited that porn could have harmful effects on society but it shouldn't be on the state to ban it. So he conceded.
And yet he wants the state to ban guns.
@@christiantaylor1495 Except you're lying. He's actually quite pro-gun as he has said many times.
He said almost anything has the potential to have harmful effects if abused. He brought up the food industry because he'd be in favor of regulating what ingredients can be used and what not depending on the demonstrable effects they have on the body, but Daniel failed to paint the line on what he thinks should be legal or not.
If you're not used to Vaush's debating style, it might offend you to hear him asking repeatedly if the State should ahoot you in the head. There was no ill intent, those were softballs so that Daniel would define his views. Vaush values intellectual honesty more than superficial politeness.
@@pomponi0 Vaush is sufficiently reprehensible to warrant responses conducive to a liable likelihood wherein the only outcome - as a primary effect rather than epiphenomenon - is to fail to perpetuate the self's life force
@@pomponi0 Only handguns
As a formal addict, yes it ruins you the crap you see on those sites turns your whole view to women upside down you look at them as sex objects and that's all you think about them especially here in the west I see girls wearing spandex, shorts going up to their you know what it's sad. P^^n is a very hard addiction to fight especially if your single
Formal? Or former
Jeremy martin, the creep
May Allah grant you ease in your struggle. Ameen
@@ldioticnuzhen99 says the guy wasting his time In q comments section
@@alig.1041 ameen
Moderator: how do each of you think watching porn with spouse affects relationship?
Vaush: eh idk i think its cool, whatever
Daniel: so theres this study that was done exactly on this topic, it shows porn is bad for relationships
Vaush: REEEEEEEEEEE
at 1:23:00 for those wondering
basically what Vaush is saying throughout the debate is he wants to live in a society that encourages self-indulgence and have no self control over your own desires
I don't believe I listened to a debate where someone is encouraging governments to allow drugs.
@Allah Imagine waking up in the morning and see your housekeeper takes drugs, then in your place of work your manager takes it also ,and then you have a flight where the pilot also takes drugs.
My question is, would you feel safe?
The reality is very different from imagination...governments for sure must forbid drugs by any means, put in mind that doesn't mean we should also stop educate people about the danger of it.
Is it going 100% prevent it? Of course no....nothing well in this absurd scenario, but I bet it's the most effective.
@Allah the point is not to 100% remove drugs from existence. The goal is to reduce it as much as possible from consumption and maintaining a stable society
@Allah actually making something illegal does reduce its consumption. The problem with America is that the laws are implemented on a state level not on governmental level. So if something is banned in one state it's likely not being banned in another so of course the consumption is still there.
If your argument is making something illegal just opens the black market, then yes the consumption is still there but it is illegal and the authorities can arrest you.
47:53
Vaush: *complains* You are narrativizing
A few moments later..
Also Vaush: Goes on narrativizing himself
Vaush lost the debate as soon as began turning red.
@Allah not really it's a observation that you are either trying to force a argument or that you are realising you do not have a compelling argument. It's subjective but to add the variables I would belive he turned red out of his inability to have a decent rebuttal..obviously his reputation would be at stake.
First example of bro Daniel's opening statement with the butterfly experiment was brilliant.
Vaush kept saying you can't ban porn you can't ban porn banning makes things worse, banning is impossible, no one ever banned anything like porn. Then Daniel mentioned CP and Vaush's whole argument ended right there and he knew it.
@@fark69 Well, then he agrees that porn is bad. He just disagrees on banning it because banning will spread it even more and will cause more harm. That means he concedes the debate. Good for him!
I used to think that Po*n is considered as bad universally. I never thought that there is a possibility of having debate in this topic. 😅
The bromance between Daniel and James, I appreciate it XD
Since quitting porn i got more energy, i feel more calm and confident. it really does affect you
Same, plus I sleep better.
and the west celebrates those adult stars and they want to use other continent womens including muslim womens for their p@rn ,islamophobe reach that level
If a cookie magically appeared every-time Vaush said a profanity, we would solve world hunger 🍪
Although remember cookies are highly processed super stimulants. We’ d all be addicted and useless.
You the man Daniel, if you get any funny guys bothering you, we there for you. 🇦🇱☝️
Albania is one of the few european countries I dislike since the majority religion is islam
@@ianwazowski5607 says the polish lol
@@harryk771 Not polish even if the last name is. I don't like poland also since it's the most homophobic country in the EU and it's full of drunk hooligans.
@@ianwazowski5607 nobody asked
@@ianwazowski5607 To be honest who cares? We as Muslims like Albania, that's all that matters for us.
I think Vaush realized there was no winning in this debate and turned to vulgarity to see if he could get a rise. The ploy didn’t work. He appeared to view Muslims as prudes, not realizing that halal sex is encouraged. Vaugh showed a sad sorry version of life versus DH.
Oh sow your muslim too🤩😍😘😘🥰🥰💘
Vaush's only come back: oh you wana ban everything!" He couldn't at all refute the clear citations Daniel offered.
Somehow the level of degeneracy keeps increasing with each debate, when you think you’ve seen it all, The Neckbeard King of Coomers shows up and debates in one of the most vulgar and insulting ways I’ve ever seen
Who are you referring to?
@The Black Falcon No, thats why Im asking?
@@galaxy5am987 vaush
Most of Vaush’s arguments start with “I think”. NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK.
what they think is the reason for the debate. what both sides think is what is being debated
the cringe swearing was hilarious .. look at me ma ! i can swear
Apart from that .. the noor on Brother's Daniel's face is just MashAllah
We just watched an addict attempt to rationalise his addiction. There is no such thing as moderate use of a supernormal stimulus like pornography.
Exactly, and they all claim to use it only moderately.
how do you justiofy the second statement "?
Ending is very wholesome, big shout out to james. Beard is suiting you very well
Little did we know vaush was just angry at Islam because beastiality is illegal 😂
Correction: 1920's Prohibition DID work! There was a decline of alcohol consumption and public drunkenness, and it successfully killed off the saloon
alcohol consumptions fell immediately and started rising long term
Interesting debate. Ma shaa Allah