Great debate Daniel Ma sha Allah. Consider debating TJump on Modern Day Debate next. He’s been making a lot of noise recently and raving about how atheist societies are better and “happier” than Muslim societies.
@@mukalal2160 please urge everyone to support by joining Daniel and sending donations to him .. let's put our talk to walk ... Instead of sitting on sidelines cheering up to debate this one or that one
Daniel please do your homework when you have a debat, I'm from Algeria and you said jews don't have a role in france occupying Algeria, it's not true jews were the main reason of it
@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists As a Muslim myself, I believe that everyone, regardless of the views they hold, are welcome on Paul's platform. The intent of his videos is to keep you informed. You're pretty hilarious, if a bunch of clowns choose to put their faith into a TH-cam channel the rather than the arguments that channel exposes them to then that's on them, and not on Paul.
@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists Thanks for being a good person, but I find no reason to take you seriously. Have a good day though, may Allah (SWT) bless you and reward you, assalamu alaikum.
Mark is by far the most respectful person a muslim has debated with. Even more so than the enlightened tolerant liberal: destiny. Not once has he made any attack on the prophet (SAW) and truly it is a remarkable thing.
@@ironbro2794 further exposes these david wood types and exmuslims who only rely on slander and bad faith arguments. Shows their close mindedness and mental enslavement to liberal values
Britain created Zion. Jews historically were just purses with interests before Protestantism legalized riba. The lack of historical accountability is astonishing. Other than that, great conversation. Not even debate.
He's polite and just wants to debate "facts". So far so good. He is typically blaming the sionists. Liberalism is just one of the most useful tools in the sionist toolbox
As someone who held similar beliefs as Mark I am thankful I used my White man brain to read the Quran, learn the Sirah and admit I was wrong. I wanted to be a Christian due to it being the religion of my ancestors but I knew in my heart it was inauthentic. Islam is the truth and you either have to accept it or live a lie. I would like to thank Daniel for having this debate and may Allah open Mark's heart to Tawhid.
@@blackbox3431 Yes, I do not like democide and demographic replacement. I believe nations and people should be respected. If that is "white nationalist" then I am very happy to be one.
@@blackbox3431 Why do you blame whites for ethnic russian presence in Kazakhstan? If anything, you should ask Kazakh government why they're still there.
I expected he would so when DH was dissing liberal values I think he was laughing a little bit, bc a pro white European doesn't have to be pro liberal at all.
@@Diamondraw4Real then Dan is really a great actor, because he gave the impression of being extremely surprised to once in his life not having to argue against liberalism.
I am a muslim, but I respect this man! He was very respectful Thank you brother Daniel and thank you Mark . I hope there will be more debates between the both of you! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I believe Daniel is wrong on some things, and Mark is wrong on some things. Even though I mostly agree with Mark. But I respect both people. They are both my friends in the fight against anti-whiteism/liberalism/modernity if Daniel believes what he says about loving white people, and being sympathetic to the right of white people, like every other race, to ensure their own survival and flourishing.
@@tayzk5929 but isn't Mark on the extreme? with the whole ''exclude non whites from my country'' cause? I mean, what about the millions of christian Arabs, indians... etc? Does he want a white state, a christian state, a white christian state, a catholic christian state, or a white catholic christian state? Does that seem reasonable to you?
@@abadran8174 What about the millions of Christian Arabs, Indians etc? There's plenty of places they can live, they don't need to immigrate to white countries. Yes it sounds entirely reasonable to me that someone might want a white christian state or a white catholic christian state. People who want lots of immigration and conflict etc are the ones that don't seem reasonable to me.
What a pleasant surprise. Mark really represents what Europe could be, if more people think like him. I can tell his parents did a really good job raising an upstanding member of society.
Most white nationalists don’t have any hatred towards Islam, we just want our own countries. I’d say Muslims are probably our greatest Allie’s because the recognize zog, unlike most groups
@@Randomperson-md9mu why not brothers? Aren't we all descendents of Adam according to the Abrahamic revealed religions? I mean we are all humans... Why can't we see eachothers as brothers? I just want to understand your point of view.
@@jenniferphilips1916 that's a lie. We don't want open borders and Jewish NGO's facilitating levels of Immigration that will lead to us becoming a minority in our ancestral homeland. I wouldn't want Europeans to make Muslims a minority in their homelands either.
@@baggyloader8141 are you with ok mass waves of say white polish immigrants coming in? who will have kids raised in England and be almost indistinguishable from other whites, in fact have you checked your white ancestry? many of the whites here now are mixture of many different countries, just because they have white skin doesnt mean there ancestors were other colours or come from other lands, in fact my friend looks totally white and raised in a white family but her grand father is brown skin indian man. I mean what is the definition of white people now? I suspect if you took out all whites who come from non English source.. you'd end up with a very small population.
They prevent us from speaking to each other, they want us at war with each other. We should praise both Daniel and Mark, for getting through the difficult start to the agreement they had at the end.
*Timestamps:* 0:00 - Standby 1:29 - Daniel & Mark join 1:59 - Format of the Informal Debate 2:27 - Opening Statement from Mark 9:20 - Opening Statement from Daniel 23:47 - Mark's response to Daniel's statement 25:42 - Zionism vs Nationalism 26:34 - Mark agrees with Daniel 27:40 - Mark clarifies his position 29:16 - Origins of Liberalism & Feminism 30:19 - Impact of Liberalism on Jews 31:02 - Power of the Media & who controls it 37:16 - White Settler Colonialism vs Muslim Invasions 39:43 - Negative Impact of Liberalism on White People 40:36 - Negative Impact of the Media 42:08 - Problem of Liberalism 43:16 - Influence of Jews on Secularising the West 46:19 - Over-representation of Jews vs Role of the Whites in Liberalism 48:36 - Mark explains his position on Nationalism 50:16 - Impact of British Colonialism on the Muslim World 51:18 - Beliefs of the White Nationalists 54:36 - Mark's rejection of Liberalism vs its acceptance by other White Nationalists 58:25 - Need of Theocracy 1:01:26 - Can White Nationalists be Muslims & issues of Grooming Gangs & War Crimes 1:03:57 - Daniel's message to Liberal Christians 1:04:30 - The Problem of Pornography 1:05:50 - Over-representation of Ethnic minorities 1:06:52 - Majority vs Minority view of the White Nationalists on Liberalism & Invasions 1:09:52 - Acceptance of Multi-Culturalism in Islam 1:10:58 - Role of the Zionists in pushing for Multi-Culturalism 1:11:42 - Methods of Preservation of Conservative Traditions in Theocracy 1:14:23 - Combating Atheism & Blasphemy in Theocracy 1:19:08 - Preservation of Decency & Moral Values vs their Destruction in the Modern Society 1:24:17 - Liberal Crackdown on Muslim Societies 1:26:48 - The danger of Technological Revolution 1:30:38 - The Problem of White Nationalists' Technological Narciissim 1:34:32 - Negative effects of Technology on society 1:37:51 - Dangers of Utilitarianism 1:38:22 - Issues of White Nationalists with Islam: Veiling of Women & Other Practices 1:43:22 - White Nationalists' acceptance of Organic Spread of Islam vs Forced Multi-Culturalism 1:48:07 - Unification of various cultures under one religion 1:52:15 - Differences between Sunnis & Shias 1:53:30 - Unification of different cultures & ethnicities in Islam 1:55:04 - Allowing of small immigration of people of similar culture by White Nationalists 1:56:06 - Benefits of Multi-Culturalism as seen in Islam 1:56:46 - Acknowledging & Agreeing on Commonalities & Transition to QnA _QnA_ 1:59:00 - Standard of Living in the West being better due to Colonialism in the past 2:03:29 - Criminalisation vs Social Shame of the Degenerate Liberal Values 2:07:37 - Daniel's stance on the Immigration Ban 2:11:33 - Blaming Governments for Mass Immigration 2:12:48 - Mark being open to look into Islam 2:14:24 - Mark excludes himself from the other White Nationalists 2:16:41 - Closing Statement of Mark 2:19:48 - Closing Statement of Daniel 2:21:39 - Viewers appreciating the Discussion & Wrapping Up SubhanAllah ❤️🤍💖 Informative & Civil Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you brother Daniel & reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
@@pierrelevenerable171 I dnt want to be rude but as muslims who are constantly attacked by the likes of Trump and right wing this sounds too good to be true . I am sorry and I am not accusing you of anything but as muslims we are now deeply confused as this is nothing like anything from White nationalism camp we have encountered. Pls bear with me as I am just sharing my perspective and not attacking you. Can you pls describe people like Tommy robbinson , how do you explain such a person ? Mark is a complete farcry from Tommy . Tommy is an open enemy to muslims . Pls shed some light . Peace .
@@MODEST500 Tommy Robinson is a zionist controlled opposition, the purpose of which is to steer low IQ nationalists towards Israel. Mass immigration and population replacement is a negative effect among others, and unfortunately, many are unable to see beyond this to see the root cause...
@@MODEST500 I'm a white Muslim from the west and I can tell you that most ignorant racist ones who hate Islam for no reason are from america just because of "muh freedom" while in Europe, White nationalists who are serious about their ideology and who really do embrace Christianity don't hate us but don't want brown or black people to move in, well we Whites in Europe are in general, pretty happy of our culture, our appearance and our uniqueness in this world and want to preserve it, that's all.
What a fantastic conversation, respect to you both. I am a Christian white nationalist, and frankly the Liberal globalists worst nightmare, is our people finding common ground and working together. Well done to our boy Mark, he represented us well.
@Tan I always say that Republicans in America, the right in general and Muslims would be such a good duo if only they could stop hating the muslims for literally no reason. Like we have more in common with them than with the liberals
@@hxyzazolchak it's all done for politics. for power. there's no real concern for conservative ethics or religious practices. for understanding. ... mostly. its also pretty pathetic how scholars here go running to the left instead of making an effort to engage and come to an understanding with conservatives.
@@hanginggardenerofbabylon1046 Islam is contrary to your left wing views. The white nationalists are much more closer to Islam ironically than you leftists.
Yea he openly calls himself a white Nationalist, but all that means is he wants nations for white people, that’s not an inherently bad thing, it depends how it’s done and how they treat others afterwards. If it’s about love for your own, rather than hate for others, I’d say there’s nothing wrong with it, for any race btw
@Pashtun Warrior it’s a littler hard, especially for me living in America, how are we supposed to go up against the most powerful military in the world? I get your point but it’s not that easy over here, they can shut down our bank accounts and everything
@Pashtun Warrior brother they aren't as courageous as us. They love the worldly life, they will never understand how a devout muslim is always waiting for his death and jihad is his head jewel.
@@deggg1490 mark has a legitimate position. But two opposite ideologies can not coexist. One has to defeat the other. Muslim and Christian ideology os not the opposite of each other. But liberal and religious ideology is the opposite. I believe there will be confrontation. Or most likely suppression. By law. By cancelling…. If majority of the nation rejected the liberal concept, you will be superseded. Basically you really don’t have democracy. Only selective democracy.
Never would I imagine a 'Neo-Nazi' be a better 'opponent' than a Christian apologist. I can imagine the haters using DH's final statements about finding common ground with Mark to make DH look like a white supremacist. I wonder which app Mark is talking about.
Its just a label to discredit people who can see through the deception, even though they are not sharing same theology. Some evil force do not like this common understanding , because it will lead to finding quran as the truth. Its the same that's happening in India. They will give some label and box any one who is against the hindutva agenda, even if its from the Hindu community. Don't trust on any labels given to some one without having an open box discussion on his ideology.
Oh my God ! I have been looking for this guy for a long time. I had forgotten his name but he did this piece a while back on why Khabib Nurmagomedov's Islamic lifestyle was the reason he triumphed over Conor Mcgregor. And I was absolutely stunned by his honesty in that video. After a year or so, I tried finding him again and there was nothing on him. I almost began to think he was a fever dream. Thanks for bringing him on, Daniel.
*Two lessons to learn from this discussion:-* - Never judge a book by it's cover. - We can always come to common grounds, aka, commonalities. May Allah ﷻ guide Mr. Mark to Islam. Ameen!
@@micaelamartins6407 Well, you never know what will happen in the future, mate! Mr. Mark is pretty much against liberalism, aka, cancer. We're inviting him to Monotheism. The Qur'anic message is intuitive.
@@rafayshakeel4812 Thanks for your reply. But we Europeans have our own moral values to base our society on. and liberalism is not one of them. It was forced on us after WW2.
@@Hans-um6lu Hey there, Hans! I respect your values. Shari'a allows us to follow the law of the land, as long as those laws don't go against the laws of Allah (SWT). I'd advise you to read the Qur'an. If you've any questions regarding Islam, then feel free to ask them. If I don't have an answer, then you can reach out to Islamic scholars. But please look into Islam. May Allah (SWT) guide you to Islam, mate. Ameen!
@@rafayshakeel4812 Thanks, but understand that pre-ww2 laws of europe where not that far off from islamic laws. The netherlands which is now the biggest gay parade in Europe. Was in 1930 the most conservative nation of western Europe. we still have very strict christian towns.
@@hanginggardenerofbabylon1046 I encourage you to watch his debate against 5 Zionists from the Israel Advocacy movement if you don't think he can debate. You might learn something too.
@@baggyloader8141 ah IC: No I didnt mean that he CANT debate, but that he DIDNT. He just tried to convince Daniel that he is on his side, it was more two anti-liberals having tea together. But still interesting
What an incredible conversation. May Allah guide Mark to Islam, never seen the level of common ground someone has ever shared with Muslims. I benefited a lot from this Alhamdulilah, both Br. Haqiqatjou and Mark provided immense value though their discussions.
@@aunmaqsood3129 yes what we need more off. I know us muslims have alot of hostile opposition therefore these debates are needed but we also need civil debates like this in which we can come to a commen ground.
We should keep in mind that the point of debates is to put forth or explain our opposing views. Sometimes it ends up with understanding and respecting the side more, or antagonism and hostility. Debates aren't just shouting matches you see in TH-cam, but can actually be productive and respectful like this one. I think that's been lost in the art of debating nowadays.
This guy sure is rare, he is what really mean as White N asi onalist if they're really honest, unlike the one who pandering to e vangelis m and is rael, they are one of our worst enemies and even the most hypocrites more than l iberal f e minist
Excellent discussion. I was frustrated that Mark, despite agreeing with him on many things, refuses to take any accountability for the role of Europeans in their role of Enlightenment. There’s a singular blame attached to Zionists, completely negating the fact that Zionists didn’t push the Enlightenment in the 18th century, and nor do Zionists make you actually commit the sin yourself! Having said that, excellent discussion.
A small cult in France that spread to tiny percentage of the intelligencia was in no way reflective of 99% of European and European-Americans. Should I judge Islam by the heretical thinkers?
@@uverpro3598 I guess we're just gonna ignore all the colonization in pursuit of "advancing the civilization" while also bringing liberal modernity values
Who killed Jesus? Who are the money lenders in the temple? Who is the synagogue of satan as named in Revelations? Why did a certain people get kicked out 109 nations?
Just arrived at the last 60 seconds, and all I saw and heard is words of respect and smiles, looks like the debate was friendly. Looking forward to watch the full debate later.
@@PJMRRS while Islam has been better at opposing chewish poisons such as Bolshevism and it's wicked little sister, "Liberalism", it's still my belief that the Abrahamic religions that were sent out to the non-chewish world, Christianity and Islam, were devised to mongrelize once distinct peoples such as the ancient Persians and Assyrians in the case of Islam, whom the chews hated as much as they hated the Romans. This chewish hatred of non-chews is still on full display in the world as they have virtually conquered the earth.
wait does this guy admit his countries are to blame for all the chaos in the world and he wants them to stop so he can go back to the life everyone is complaining they dont have now?? wow.. I'm in tears to find such amazing honest people. I hope we can reach the world of peace you speak of brother!
Annoying to me as Irish revert how mark keeps making Islam out to be a race itself. Like Islam isn't just middle eastern. Lol what about Bosnia, Albania, Chechnya, Dagestan etc etc and all the reverts. Muslim does not equate to a race..
@Lake Doesn't that proportinally make sense since "whites" are like 5% of the world population??? And the religion spread mostly throughout non white lands first???
@bqdxx Nah bro, finding the divine truth is the most important. Rather be a traitor to some internet white nationalists instead of a traitor to God. I'm not a traitor to my Irish background as a Muslim as I would be a christian, which was spread to the Island beginning in the middle east. Being a muslim doesn't mean you betray your own people, hopefully they accept it too! Was Abraham pbuh a traitor when he refused to worship idols when his people did?
I thought that Mark was gonna be like Tommy Robinson so I was pleasantly surprised to find out that that isn't the case. I completely disagree with Mark that Zionists are solely to blame for the rise of liberalism throughout the world as liberalism, feminism and anti-theism predate Zionism and were being pushed by European philosophers from 1700s onwards. That being said, there is a lot of common ground and we should work together to push back against the immorality that's being normalised in the world today. Jazakallah khairan for another good discussion brother Daniel. Keep them coming. Edit: I don't know anything about Mark beyond what he said in this interview. Generally white nationalists that I see online are also white supremecists, but he said he doesn't believe in supremacy of races so I'm going to take his word for it.
@@PabloSensei Yea, if that's the case, then the guy is a clown. Most Muslims in the comments, myself included, don't know anything about this guy beyond this discussion.
@@serkankoldere well to be fair, it is hard to find out anything about him since you will have to go to dubious or non-mainstream platforms... so stupid. He is an interesting character, I miss the good old days when yt was full of vids you wouldnt get elsewhere, And I am a marxist, so nothing to do with my political views, yt has just become like 19th century Prussia, even comments go through censorship before being published
@@hanginggardenerofbabylon1046 Lmao, you're a Marxist. Why am I not surprised. A communist, communism is contrary to Islam and makes a person's faith in Islam void.
Beautiful conversation. Reminds me of translation of Quran 5:82. *And you will certainly find that the people most hostile against the believers are the Jews and the ones who ascribe partners to Allah. You will certainly find that the closest of them in friendship with the believers are those who say, “We are Christians.”That is because among them there are priests and monks, and because they are not arrogant*
@@abumujahid1434 Yeah MashaAllah I like to engage in dawah with atheists, Christians, and murtads using them. Unfortunately I get a lot of dodging when I recommend videos that debunk their claims against Islam. Allah(SWT) cannot change them until they change themselves first.
I have watched all of your debates, Brother Daniel. but this time you have a worthy opponent! I respect when people build their arguments on logic, whether I agree with them or not
I agree with most of what Mark said. What a brilliant man. An honest brilliant man. Thank you both very much. A very informative and pleasant conversation once Daniel got over his initial presumption at the beginning. May God protect you, guide you and bless you both.
I hope you respect our right to exist too, we are all so much danger. The zionist have infected the west and are now destroying every competition. The chinese thought they could play them, and now they have massive riots.
@@aminuaidara8601 please understand, most western countries are dominated by Jews or whites who have bought into Zionism. We are doing what we can to Chang that. God bless
This was a great discussion. I'm a muslim born and brought up in the UK and its a shame i havent come accross Mark before on media, evidence of Censorship of real debate/discussion Mark thanks for your time, i learnt a lot today from you. You're very calm and collected and its a shame mainstream platforms have shut you down. It just show freedom of speech only exists within a framework. I'm a Daniel fan, watch all his debates but it was clear he approached this as a debate with wrong assumptions, which got ironed out as he discussion went on, tones changed and i felt like i was a part of that journey.
"I'm a Daniel fan, watch all his debates but it was clear he approached this as a debate with wrong assumptions, which got ironed out as he discussion went on" Yes I agree it got ironed out and this conversation shows respectful conversation on important subjects by intelligent people is very productive and helpful
@@Reem-ne7nn i feel the same, living in Europe in current conditions is unnatural for us, most have no choice. muslims need a "homeland", a darul islam. Then we can take over the world and bring the world from darkness into light.
1:16:16 Mark You're wrong, here in the UK you can denigrate, insult, disrespect and scornfully mock both Muhammad (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) with total impunity. But you can't for instance raise any criticism against Israelis, Zionism, Jews, Homosexuals, and soon paedophiles.
@@joer9156 why do u feel the need to even fathom the idea of insulting our prophet though? Why. What do u gain from mocking and insulting us. It shouldnt be allowed, same way someone insulting your father, Joe R, shouldnt be allowed.
Respects to Daniel Haqiqatjou for having this conversation. He truly is a Muslim SKEPTIC. My favorite part of the debate was him entertaining the possibility of racial differences in mentality while his audience flipped out about it lol. Unlike some TH-cam Muslim figures he's just an intelligent honest guy. A good watch.
I throughly enjoyed this conversation, enlightening, entertaining, peaceful. May Allah put more of these recommendations for me. Jazakallahu khairan Daniel and Mark
@@whoisthegreatest6255 I understand this is a religious channel but please don’t assert people should convert to your religion, race culture and heritage is the most I’m portent thing to a nationalist, our race is our religion:)
@Ali Abdullah Allah put us into our tribes and nations so that we may recognize each other and get to know ourselves. Diversity multiculturalism mass immigration into Europe is destroying European people, it's ethnic cleansing.
I agree with many points mark makes. I also agree that what the common enemy is. Daniel is saying it is liberalism and Mark is saying it is liberalism that is lead by Zionism.
Don't forget that this "shared enemy" and their economic institutions have built their caricature of the last 80 years to ensure that this "ideology" of white collectivism and state banking is never tried again through mass psychological abuse and demonisation. Aka, painting any natural response based behaviour that was the norm pre 1940s as the Hollywood n**i.
It's not despite his ideology, it's because of his ideology. You've been sold a straw man of what we really believe by the same evil tribe that spent the early part of this century doing exactly the same to your people and creating people like Tommy Rubenstein.
I’m a practising Moslem born & brought up & live in the UK - a country I love, but I’d agree with quite a lot that Mark has said. His approach is respectful and reasonable. I think if I were an indigenous white person I’d probably follow his approach! Brave words Mark. Respect! Do read the Quran when you get a chance.
@@Hans-um6lu we actually do. My husband is British and my son looks far more White than Arab and it worries me that as a White Male what the future holds for him.
@@AmelDousary1 We as Nationalist are not monsters. We just want the best for our peoples, We don't hate other peoples. If a mixed person sees himself as European, acts like one, Lives in society like a propper European, in my eyes he should be considered one. I understand your worry, i worry about my future children too. We are all in this together. If the beast system wants white people gone, than its a religious duty to join in with their fight. I think because our liberal dictatorship is focused on making us into debt slaves, maybe good time to think of growing our own food, clean from industrial chemicals so your son would be strong if hardship comes.
@@Hans-um6lu what type of hardship are u expecting to come down up on whites apart from the fact your birthrates are low at and therefore you’ll end up becoming the minority.
@@Hans-um6lu They were first generation British Pakistanis. They sold drugs, drank alcohol and fornicate. Doesn't sound like very conservative and rural Pakistan.
@@procrastinator8817 The first generation were good seeing as they lived in their homeland and came to the west for work but when you spend 2+ generations in the west things end up catching up to you.
Sorry brother Daniel. This wasn’t a debate but a misunderstanding. The other brother had some very good points that was novel to even you. Peace. This was a good discussion.
He didn't have good points. Muslims seem to want friends so badly they allow themselves to be taken in by sweet talkers. He hates Islam, and non whites. He's just sugarcoating stuff in an attempt to rebrand.
Back then, people had debates to understand each other opposing's views and nuances. Not all debates are antagonistic or hostile because the point of a debate is to put forth each other's views. Sometimes it ends up with understanding and respect, or hostility. This can still be counted as a debate because they both at their core, are still against each other in the ideological and worldview sense.
@@haqoe9857 I think he's referring to how zionism is the aftermath of J influence to push liberalism and other ism . Which is a fair point, I think its a misunderstanding on both sides. But Daniel is right that white ppl did play a big part I enlightenment but the Js had massive hand of influence. Look at the origins of banking in Europe etc
I realy enjoyed this conversation, which supposedly expected to be a classical debate. I was realy surprised that the debate went this way because I was expecting that a white nationalist is a kind of racist or at least hostile towward islam, but I think that we should consider people like Mark Collett, even if we believe that the best united society should be based on Islam and not on race.. Thank you Brother David for this conversation
@@idir77 wow, you haven't looked into the dissident right have you. There's fuentes, keith woods who praises guenon alot, there's the distributist, morgoths review and many more super smart people but racist nonetheless which is where we disagree
@@idir77 There are white nationalists who disagree much more with zionism/Jewish people than they do with Islam and Muslims but there are also white nationalists who just hate both equally.
The problem with people like Mark, is that they don't know enough about Islam and don't realize it that the problem they are against, Islam has a solution to it. He was right about the Yahoodi's, but he doesn't realize that his European culture and "religion" has no solution to the problems, obviously because it's a false ideology and religion.
Mark seemed very kind and open minded! I'd love to see a second "discussion", maybe just enlightening him on why Islam is the truth, as he's been exposed ironically to the media portrayal of it.
The same way that Muslims have been exposed to the media portrayal of White nationalists. I genuinely believe we have more in common with many Muslims than we do with White liberals or kosher nationalists (Tommy Rubenstein). We have similar ideals and a common enemy trying to destroy us both.
Since you put great emphasis on the matter of men merging with the machine, via the danger of the 4th industrial revolution or the internet of bodies, I urge you to invite other Nationalist who put more of a focus on that topic, such as Morgoth Review, or Computing forever. I think the conversation was very productive and should be continued between us, since I think a lot of people think we are only talking about migration related topics. We have much more to offer, and Nationalist were criticizing the modern developments for way longer than people think. Right now one philosopher in particular is gaining more traction again, that is Heidegger and his critique on the machine mindset.
@@PabloSensei Collett is smart enough to make his arguments easily digestible to most people. Keith Woods is great but not as easy for a lot of people to follow along with. Both of them have their place .
I don’t think so, he is very patriotic to his country,culture,race he agrees with us on a lot and we could be allies but I don’t think he’ll embrace Islam. But I won’t to know how he plans on increasing white birthrates.
@@osman7240 he argues for an organic change in society after he implements christian values, which sounds optimistic but from a pragmatic pov doesn't sound promising
Tbh, not really. To someone who doesn't speak arabic and doesn't understand the quran, it seems like a fair point. It felt like when I went to nepal and heard people shouting over something. It's just sounds to us.
Fantastic conversation. We need more people like Mark in this world. Thanks Daniel for organizing this discussion. He's clarified a lot of misunderstandings I had of white nationalists. He's a hope of light for Europe.
What’s interesting is that mark shares so many values that are islamic, but still clings to christianity because it’s his heritage and culture. I don’t believe that there’s anything that would prevent him from becoming a muslim if he does start researching about islam intellectually. Islam provides a solution to all of the problems that he has listed (with a complete legal system), and is the only religion that hasn’t changed or compromised. I sincerely invite mark to islam. A repeated and valuable lesson in the quran is to not follow your forefathers, instead use your god gifted intellect to arrive at truth.
„And when it is said to them, "Follow what Allah has revealed," they say, "Rather, we will follow that upon which we found our fathers." Even if Satan was inviting them to the punishment of the Blaze?“ Surah 31:21
@@larrybirdainge5951 islam unites everyone regardless of culture or ethnicity. Because it’s core belief is so strong that everything else is trivial in comparison.
I would love to see Daniel have a conversation with Nick J. Fuentes. He is highly influential with Young American conservatives and has done a lot to convince young people of the evils of liberalism.
@@theloniuspunk383 "isn't he the guy that says women are gay?" As part of a funny bit yeah. I think Nick and Daniel would have a good conversation, Daniel seems to enjoy a lot of the same ironic humor as Nick. Their conversation may be more confrontational though, since Nick is a strong Catholic Christian and Mark is an atheist.
I'm surprised Daniel thought a white nationalist would be a liberal. They should debate the fundamental difference that why nationalists don't want to allow other ethnicites to live alongside them. And why different cultures living together shouldn't be an issue. I'd love to hear Daniel's arguments to tackle that issue.
@Nasim Ahmed Well said, brother. Barakallahu feek. That's where Islam stands apart from the rest. While everyone is dwelling on this ephemeral worldly life, Islam teaches us to stand firm to face what's eternal, the absolute. It's hard to convince nationalists about the worthlessness of worrying about their heritage or racial purity, without convincing them the absolute reality we are about to face after death. That's how this issue must be dealt with instead of trying to appease people and "finding the commonalities between Islam and nationalism".
@Nasim Ahmed so you can’t assign a collective blame over an idea. So your argument that Liberalism is a “white” idea or is inherent in ethnonationalism falls flat on its face. It is of course cherry picking, as you or Daniel who utilize technologies or civil liberties ascribed to Western countries that one CHOOSES TO LIVE IN. I accept your apology and I won’t call you or any Muslim migrant a Liberal even tho they vote with their feet.
This is the time for alliances against liberalism. Because this is the eminent danger. Much respect to both. As a Muslim I respect Mark’s position. He is a well mannered and well headed person.
It is absolutely insane that people like Mark and Daniel are considered "fringe" for believing what literally ALL OUR ANCESTORS believed prior to the Industrial Revolution and Globalism. As a Muslim, I respect Christians like Mark and that was a great discussion.
Ethno-nationalism is an absolute requirement. I do not want my people to be a minority in their own homeland, or to be bred out of existence. I love my people and I want them to continue existing and flourishing. Beyond that minimum requirement, I have no problem at all with Muslims and would like to have friendly partnerships with them in their own nations and us in ours.
Good, productive debate. We need more debates between Muslims who follow the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah and true social/cultural right/far right wingers. However, I believe Brother Daniel should research the specific group in question more, Mark's points regarding them were true, overrepresentation and favoritism.
@@rogersmith6813 He was not addressing who actually funds and controls the liberal secular regime which is, the specific group. Mark was correct about the media and who it's owned by. On the other hand, Mark should have conceded the point that Europeans did have a hand in spreading liberalism, this is a historical fact.
@@TheRealMikeMichaels the media isnt owned by anyone. You cannot on one hand blame liberalism, and on the other see secret authoritarian structures everywhere. Authoritarianism is completely antithetic to liberalism
@@mamoonabdullah839 no for Daniel it is not an excuse, you don´t go like that into a debate with someone like that, just with your standard equipment...
@@hanginggardenerofbabylon1046 Standard equipment? Would the non-standard equipment have taken away from the honesty of the conversation? Why are you so against us having a constructive dialogue with each other?
All white nationalists and fascists are complete enemies of liberalism and anything that goes against god. We hate those that disrupted the Islamic world, as they are also the same the disrupted ours. Never forget it was Germany and her allies in the 40s that tried to help Palestine and other Muslim nations against Israel and Zionism.
I know right. I think it’s very telling that the most honest and intelligent person that Br Daniel’s debated was also the most respectful. May Allah guide us all, Ameen.
He's not that intellectual, didnt you notice his useless waffling the first half of the discussion, kept on pushing everything on to the Jews when it came to European history
@@PabloSensei My friend, what do you expect him to say? Spend his time attacking John Stuart Mill and Adam Smith and John Locke and David Hume etc? He already opposes what they stand for and is working against it. Furthermore, at the present time, White liberals are not calling the shots in the same way that they may have been then. There is already enough White self-flagellation to go around. He is not steering to Js for no reason. If it was not for their influence in the 20th century, WW2 would not have turned out how it did and the Western liberal tradition may have been all but over.
@@PabloSensei He acknowledged it under the qualification that it was also influenced by the subversion of others, and it is much more so today. I don't understand why this matters so much. No one is denying that the entire Western liberal tradition existed. It is, nuanced, though.
Poland and Germany are the only European countries left with blasphemy laws. In Germany the law was only one time in history applied to somebody who blasphemed another religion than christianity. Somebody printed the qur´an on toilet paper. He was fined with 50 euros or so. In all other instances christianity was insulted and the fine was in the ten thousands. So much for "you can t mock islam, only christianity". It is a baseless anti-muslim allegation. Don´t pay attention to it. No religion is mocked more than Islam in Western countries, and nothing could be more obvious!
@@ianclose123 lol I want to move to the UK if what youre saying is true. I really cant believe it, though I heard that ppl in the UK are far nicer to Islam than on the mainland. Here in Germany it is just the opposite. Especially if you work with non-muslims. We have to put up with non-muslims saying bad things about muslims at work right in front of our eyes and almost every day, and we cant escape it. Some even make "jokes" about concentration camps and so.
I'm really happy with this discussion. Daniel came in kind of hat because he assumed too much about Mark because he didn't know him. But the truth is, there's always been a lot more agreement and mutual respect between the West and the Middle East. Between Christian Europe and the Islamic World. Now I'm not acting as if there's never been any conflict, there was, but the conflict really begun to escalate when the West embraced secular liberalism and abandoned their Christian heritage. And Liberalism is a ideology without borders and doesn't respect traditional cultures or borders. Now...to a certain extent, Islam and Christianity are ideologies without borders as well. They both seek to find converts always.. HOWEVER...there was far more mutual respect between Christians and Muslims than there EVER has been between Secular Liberals and both major religions. Christians and Muslims have a lot in common. They share the same god, the same prophets, and in a lot of ways the same morals. They shared a mutual respect towards one another on the condition that they mostly don't integrate. Trade and form alliances, sure...just not live door to door. Secular Liberalism has no such mutual respect for any religion and seeks a global hegemony. One that leads to a lot of material wealth (this is true), but ultimately...hollowness, loneliness, emptiness, depression, anxiety, suicide, crime, chaos. I'd give up my smart phone for a sense of order and community.
Hey Daniel, I've been looking in to you and your work, and I want to let you know, you have my support, and best wishes and anyone who says something bad about you will loose my respect and I will unsubscribe to them.... (I don't think, I ever offended you, but if I have, I'm 100% apologizing)
My main problem with Mark's stance is it basically doesn't care much about the truth. It puts race and tradition above truth. Whether Islam is the correct religion sent by Allah or Christianity is seems not to matter. He seems to treat religion similar to national cuisine or art where the truth of the religion either doesn't matter or doesn't exist. I wonder what difference there is with the mushrikun who when their prophets came to them with the truth said: بَلْ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّا وَجَدْنَآ ءَابَآءَنَا عَلَىٰٓ أُمَّةٍ وَإِنَّا عَلَىٰٓ ءَاثَـٰرِهِم مُّهْتَدُونَ وَكَذَٰلِكَ مَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ فِى قَرْيَةٍ مِّن نَّذِيرٍ إِلَّا قَالَ مُتْرَفُوهَآ إِنَّا وَجَدْنَآ ءَابَآءَنَا عَلَىٰٓ أُمَّةٍ وَإِنَّا عَلَىٰٓ ءَاثَـٰرِهِم مُّقْتَدُونَ ۞ قَـٰلَ أَوَلَوْ جِئْتُكُم بِأَهْدَىٰ مِمَّا وَجَدتُّمْ عَلَيْهِ ءَابَآءَكُمْ ۖ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّا بِمَآ أُرْسِلْتُم بِهِۦ كَـٰفِرُونَ 43:22 In fact, they say, “We found our forefathers following a ˹particular˺ way, and we are following in their footsteps.” 43:23 Similarly, whenever We sent a warner to a society before you ˹O Prophet˺, its ˹spoiled˺ elite would say, “We found our forefathers following a ˹particular˺ way, and we are walking in their footsteps.” 43:24 Each ˹warner˺ asked, “Even if what I brought you is better guidance than what you found your forefathers practicing?” They replied, “We totally reject whatever you have been sent with.” وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمُ ٱتَّبِعُوا۟ مَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ قَالُوا۟ بَلْ نَتَّبِعُ مَا وَجَدْنَا عَلَيْهِ ءَابَآءَنَآ ۚ أَوَلَوْ كَانَ ٱلشَّيْطَـٰنُ يَدْعُوهُمْ إِلَىٰ عَذَابِ ٱلسَّعِيرِ 31:21 When it is said to them, “Follow what Allah has revealed,” they reply, “No! We ˹only˺ follow what we found our forefathers practicing.” ˹Would they still do so˺ even if Satan is inviting them to the torment of the Blaze? Also, Mark argues strongly against liberal values and morals but might not have a problem with nations having any set of values as long as they're the nation's own values and that they naturally develope which is some type of moral relativism.
@@Free-Palestine That's true. It also seems the tension they have between prioritizing race or truth\true religion\correct values leads to contradictions they can't resolve without putting the true religion foremost.
You can be an ethnonationalist, and a muslim. There's no contradiction, but (certain tribe) wants to weaken ethnonationalism in other groups and weaken the ideology. In regards to Mark not supporting invasions etc of other lands, I don't believe this is based in moral relativism, but pragmatism and because it would do more bad than good like USA's wars (influenced by a certain tribe) to change the middle east has done more bad than good.
@@thauthentic yes. But mark’s point is that he doesn’t agree with that. But the truth is Britain became great because of all the resources they got from Indian subcontinent
Most turks and arabs that i know in my country, i have a common ground with. Not on a religious values but on moral values. I’m so done with this liberal bullshit. We are both equally screwed, if one of us falls then the other is for the picking.
I was waiting for what would Daniel argue in this debate. I think it was a very fruitful one. I really didn't expect Mark to have such views which is admirable. PS: Br Daniel, if you want to debate someone who is a Conservative but glorifies the enlightenment, I would recommend Matt Walsh. He has some good points but also too many self contradicting ones
I'm arab Muslim my father and many of my relatives are whiter than Mark and i agree with Mark about Muslim immigration and I agree with his point about Europe should be only for Europeans .
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Great debate Daniel Ma sha Allah. Consider debating TJump on Modern Day Debate next. He’s been making a lot of noise recently and raving about how atheist societies are better and “happier” than Muslim societies.
@@mukalal2160 please urge everyone to support by joining Daniel and sending donations to him .. let's put our talk to walk ... Instead of sitting on sidelines cheering up to debate this one or that one
BarakAllahu Feek
Bro Daniel, u had better debate Murry Douglas
Daniel please do your homework when you have a debat, I'm from Algeria and you said jews don't have a role in france occupying Algeria, it's not true jews were the main reason of it
Awesome work Daniel!
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Hey Paul :)
@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists As a Muslim myself, I believe that everyone, regardless of the views they hold, are welcome on Paul's platform. The intent of his videos is to keep you informed. You're pretty hilarious, if a bunch of clowns choose to put their faith into a TH-cam channel the rather than the arguments that channel exposes them to then that's on them, and not on Paul.
@@PabloSensei Not at all. I'm pleased with the barrier he has with them though, Daniel is awesome.
@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists Thanks for being a good person, but I find no reason to take you seriously. Have a good day though, may Allah (SWT) bless you and reward you, assalamu alaikum.
Mark is by far the most respectful person a muslim has debated with. Even more so than the enlightened tolerant liberal: destiny. Not once has he made any attack on the prophet (SAW) and truly it is a remarkable thing.
Yeah it is so ironic. Initially, it seemed that it would get pretty messy once the open discussion started but it ended up working out in the end.
@@ironbro2794 further exposes these david wood types and exmuslims who only rely on slander and bad faith arguments. Shows their close mindedness and mental enslavement to liberal values
Britain created Zion. Jews historically were just purses with interests before Protestantism legalized riba. The lack of historical accountability is astonishing. Other than that, great conversation. Not even debate.
He's polite and just wants to debate "facts". So far so good. He is typically blaming the sionists. Liberalism is just one of the most useful tools in the sionist toolbox
@@abdullahmuzaffar2483 DW is not liberal he's just a hater
As someone who held similar beliefs as Mark I am thankful I used my White man brain to read the Quran, learn the Sirah and admit I was wrong. I wanted to be a Christian due to it being the religion of my ancestors but I knew in my heart it was inauthentic. Islam is the truth and you either have to accept it or live a lie. I would like to thank Daniel for having this debate and may Allah open Mark's heart to Tawhid.
God bless you brother
Glory be to Allah, your comment is very interesting
May Allah make you steadfast and spread the message of One God to your kin.
@@Zenos174 comedy
What arguments convinced you that Islam was authentic? ...coming from a black guy with a "black man brain"
I am a white Orthodox Christian from the UK and I want to thank you Daniel for hosting Mark. We have much more in common than we think. God bless you.
so your white nationalist too?
@@blackbox3431 Yes, I do not like democide and demographic replacement. I believe nations and people should be respected. If that is "white nationalist" then I am very happy to be one.
Respect from your Muslim brother
@@blackbox3431 SubhanAllah brother is this your way to dawah? Speak with wisdom or don't speak
@@blackbox3431 Why do you blame whites for ethnic russian presence in Kazakhstan? If anything, you should ask Kazakh government why they're still there.
I didn't expect Mark to agree with most of Daniel's views about Liberalism.
@bqdxx i was shocked about how much these two have incommon
I wasn't at all. There is a reason Daniel is challenging the White Nationalist types. Daniel is no dummy. If you see it, than you see it
I expected he would so when DH was dissing liberal values I think he was laughing a little bit, bc a pro white European doesn't have to be pro liberal at all.
@@Diamondraw4Real then Dan is really a great actor, because he gave the impression of being extremely surprised to once in his life not having to argue against liberalism.
@@youngman7600 Yup. Debates are not so much about battling the opposing party, but battling for the audience.
I am a muslim, but I respect this man! He was very respectful
Thank you brother Daniel and thank you Mark . I hope there will be more debates between the both of you! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
He's your brother to you in humanity, though this term evolves. Muslims are brothers to you in Islam, which is stronger.
I believe Daniel is wrong on some things, and Mark is wrong on some things. Even though I mostly agree with Mark. But I respect both people. They are both my friends in the fight against anti-whiteism/liberalism/modernity if Daniel believes what he says about loving white people, and being sympathetic to the right of white people, like every other race, to ensure their own survival and flourishing.
He is lying , don't be fooled by this nazi.
@@tayzk5929 but isn't Mark on the extreme? with the whole ''exclude non whites from my country'' cause?
I mean, what about the millions of christian Arabs, indians... etc?
Does he want a white state, a christian state, a white christian state, a catholic christian state, or a white catholic christian state?
Does that seem reasonable to you?
@@abadran8174 What about the millions of Christian Arabs, Indians etc? There's plenty of places they can live, they don't need to immigrate to white countries.
Yes it sounds entirely reasonable to me that someone might want a white christian state or a white catholic christian state. People who want lots of immigration and conflict etc are the ones that don't seem reasonable to me.
What a pleasant surprise. Mark really represents what Europe could be, if more people think like him. I can tell his parents did a really good job raising an upstanding member of society.
But he is probably a racist with the ethnonationalisim and all.
Europe was like that i.e. conservative values until very recently.
Alot of us Europeans think like this except liberal consumerist sheeps
@@vypa-bk1iy ghey
And he is also one of the most censored people in Britain. What does that tell you?
As a brown Muslim I never thought I could have so much in common with a white nationalist. Respect to you bro
yeah same
The guy is a literal, neo-nazi, and antisemitic conspiracy theorist. Most people hope to never find any commonality with someone like this
This conversation was a lot calmer than I expected.
That is when both sides don’t have an evil agenda. Mark was rational about his position. He covered all corners. The commonality was 98%.
Most white nationalists don’t have any hatred towards Islam, we just want our own countries. I’d say Muslims are probably our greatest Allie’s because the recognize zog, unlike most groups
@@deggg1490 you can find other groups that could be good Allies. Watch Matt walshes’s Chanel. He is very active
@@Just_logic daily wire matt Walsh? You do know what ben Shapiros ethnicity is don't you
@@sneedchuck360 I know he is a Zionist. Matt Walsh is not Ben Shapiro. Matt is a hard Catholic.
I came here for mark, but I respect this man Daniel and I see him as nothing but an ally, God bless you for having this discussion
We were brother in humanity.
@@rafitohornero3850 ❤
@@rafitohornero3850 not brothers, but friends or atleast people who can relate with each other and work together against the oppressors
@@Randomperson-md9mu why not brothers? Aren't we all descendents of Adam according to the Abrahamic revealed religions? I mean we are all humans... Why can't we see eachothers as brothers? I just want to understand your point of view.
I am a Muslim and I was blown away by Mark. He spoke so much truth and laid out a clear plan for traditional harmony between nations.
You're such a good Muslim that you have a playlist of David Wood literally mocking my religion. F off.
yes that all all very well, but the one very big sticking point is that he does not want anyone apart from white people here in England
@@jenniferphilips1916 that's a lie. We don't want open borders and Jewish NGO's facilitating levels of Immigration that will lead to us becoming a minority in our ancestral homeland. I wouldn't want Europeans to make Muslims a minority in their homelands either.
@@baggyloader8141 are you with ok mass waves of say white polish immigrants coming in? who will have kids raised in England and be almost indistinguishable from other whites, in fact have you checked your white ancestry? many of the whites here now are mixture of many different countries, just because they have white skin doesnt mean there ancestors were other colours or come from other lands, in fact my friend looks totally white and raised in a white family but her grand father is brown skin indian man. I mean what is the definition of white people now? I suspect if you took out all whites who come from non English source.. you'd end up with a very small population.
Your obviously not muslim
It's amazing how when you actually allow people to have a voice instead of censoring them and straw manning it turns out they're quite reasonable
That's why they censor
They sensor us because they want to keep us divided and hate each other so that they can have their perpetual war and continue to enslave us.
Thats why they get censored in the 1st place tho
They prevent us from speaking to each other, they want us at war with each other. We should praise both Daniel and Mark, for getting through the difficult start to the agreement they had at the end.
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*Timestamps:*
0:00 - Standby
1:29 - Daniel & Mark join
1:59 - Format of the Informal Debate
2:27 - Opening Statement from Mark
9:20 - Opening Statement from Daniel
23:47 - Mark's response to Daniel's statement
25:42 - Zionism vs Nationalism
26:34 - Mark agrees with Daniel
27:40 - Mark clarifies his position
29:16 - Origins of Liberalism & Feminism
30:19 - Impact of Liberalism on Jews
31:02 - Power of the Media & who controls it
37:16 - White Settler Colonialism vs Muslim Invasions
39:43 - Negative Impact of Liberalism on White People
40:36 - Negative Impact of the Media
42:08 - Problem of Liberalism
43:16 - Influence of Jews on Secularising the West
46:19 - Over-representation of Jews vs Role of the Whites in Liberalism
48:36 - Mark explains his position on Nationalism
50:16 - Impact of British Colonialism on the Muslim World
51:18 - Beliefs of the White Nationalists
54:36 - Mark's rejection of Liberalism vs its acceptance by other White Nationalists
58:25 - Need of Theocracy
1:01:26 - Can White Nationalists be Muslims & issues of Grooming Gangs & War Crimes
1:03:57 - Daniel's message to Liberal Christians
1:04:30 - The Problem of Pornography
1:05:50 - Over-representation of Ethnic minorities
1:06:52 - Majority vs Minority view of the White Nationalists on Liberalism & Invasions
1:09:52 - Acceptance of Multi-Culturalism in Islam
1:10:58 - Role of the Zionists in pushing for Multi-Culturalism
1:11:42 - Methods of Preservation of Conservative Traditions in Theocracy
1:14:23 - Combating Atheism & Blasphemy in Theocracy
1:19:08 - Preservation of Decency & Moral Values vs their Destruction in the Modern Society
1:24:17 - Liberal Crackdown on Muslim Societies
1:26:48 - The danger of Technological Revolution
1:30:38 - The Problem of White Nationalists' Technological Narciissim
1:34:32 - Negative effects of Technology on society
1:37:51 - Dangers of Utilitarianism
1:38:22 - Issues of White Nationalists with Islam: Veiling of Women & Other Practices
1:43:22 - White Nationalists' acceptance of Organic Spread of Islam vs Forced Multi-Culturalism
1:48:07 - Unification of various cultures under one religion
1:52:15 - Differences between Sunnis & Shias
1:53:30 - Unification of different cultures & ethnicities in Islam
1:55:04 - Allowing of small immigration of people of similar culture by White Nationalists
1:56:06 - Benefits of Multi-Culturalism as seen in Islam
1:56:46 - Acknowledging & Agreeing on Commonalities & Transition to QnA
_QnA_
1:59:00 - Standard of Living in the West being better due to Colonialism in the past
2:03:29 - Criminalisation vs Social Shame of the Degenerate Liberal Values
2:07:37 - Daniel's stance on the Immigration Ban
2:11:33 - Blaming Governments for Mass Immigration
2:12:48 - Mark being open to look into Islam
2:14:24 - Mark excludes himself from the other White Nationalists
2:16:41 - Closing Statement of Mark
2:19:48 - Closing Statement of Daniel
2:21:39 - Viewers appreciating the Discussion & Wrapping Up
SubhanAllah ❤️🤍💖
Informative & Civil Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻
_May Allah ﷻ bless you brother Daniel & reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
Thank you for this!
Happy to Help ☺️
Just trying my best to contribute to the Dawah Ecosystem 😊
May Allah reward you for this.
May Allah bless you for this!
Thanks
Thank you, Daniel and Mark, for this debate. And I'm glad to be part of this channel just as we're pushing to 100k. :)
ازيك يا برنس
FINALLY someone who has some basic actual respect and refrains from just attacking and insulting Islam left right and center!
I am a White Nationalist as well, and I share Mark's view 100%
I'm am an English Nationalist and respect the sacred to.
🙏
@@pierrelevenerable171 I dnt want to be rude but as muslims who are constantly attacked by the likes of Trump and right wing this sounds too good to be true . I am sorry and I am not accusing you of anything but as muslims we are now deeply confused as this is nothing like anything from White nationalism camp we have encountered. Pls bear with me as I am just sharing my perspective and not attacking you. Can you pls describe people like Tommy robbinson , how do you explain such a person ? Mark is a complete farcry from Tommy . Tommy is an open enemy to muslims . Pls shed some light . Peace .
@@MODEST500 Tommy Robinson is a zionist controlled opposition, the purpose of which is to steer low IQ nationalists towards Israel. Mass immigration and population replacement is a negative effect among others, and unfortunately, many are unable to see beyond this to see the root cause...
@@MODEST500 I'm a white Muslim from the west and I can tell you that most ignorant racist ones who hate Islam for no reason are from america just because of "muh freedom" while in Europe, White nationalists who are serious about their ideology and who really do embrace Christianity don't hate us but don't want brown or black people to move in, well we Whites in Europe are in general, pretty happy of our culture, our appearance and our uniqueness in this world and want to preserve it, that's all.
What a fantastic conversation, respect to you both. I am a Christian white nationalist, and frankly the Liberal globalists worst nightmare, is our people finding common ground and working together. Well done to our boy Mark, he represented us well.
@Tan I always say that Republicans in America, the right in general and Muslims would be such a good duo if only they could stop hating the muslims for literally no reason. Like we have more in common with them than with the liberals
@@hxyzazolchak Yeah, the racism is what's preventing a political re alignment.
@@hxyzazolchak it's all done for politics. for power. there's no real concern for conservative ethics or religious practices. for understanding.
... mostly.
its also pretty pathetic how scholars here go running to the left instead of making an effort to engage and come to an understanding with conservatives.
@@hxyzazolchak yeah youre right. Muslims are a monolithic block, we all have the same culture, the same political and philosophical views. Irony off.
@@hanginggardenerofbabylon1046 Islam is contrary to your left wing views. The white nationalists are much more closer to Islam ironically than you leftists.
When a supposed white nationalist makes more sense than most liberals 🤣
He is a white nationalist lol
Yea he openly calls himself a white Nationalist, but all that means is he wants nations for white people, that’s not an inherently bad thing, it depends how it’s done and how they treat others afterwards. If it’s about love for your own, rather than hate for others, I’d say there’s nothing wrong with it, for any race btw
@Pashtun Warrior it’s a littler hard, especially for me living in America, how are we supposed to go up against the most powerful military in the world? I get your point but it’s not that easy over here, they can shut down our bank accounts and everything
@Pashtun Warrior brother they aren't as courageous as us. They love the worldly life, they will never understand how a devout muslim is always waiting for his death and jihad is his head jewel.
@@deggg1490 mark has a legitimate position. But two opposite ideologies can not coexist. One has to defeat the other. Muslim and Christian ideology os not the opposite of each other. But liberal and religious ideology is the opposite. I believe there will be confrontation. Or most likely suppression. By law. By cancelling…. If majority of the nation rejected the liberal concept, you will be superseded. Basically you really don’t have democracy. Only selective democracy.
Never would I imagine a 'Neo-Nazi' be a better 'opponent' than a Christian apologist. I can imagine the haters using DH's final statements about finding common ground with Mark to make DH look like a white supremacist. I wonder which app Mark is talking about.
I can picture it right now:
Apuss: MUSLIM SAYS WHITE SUPREMACY IS JUSTIFIED!!!!!!
Its just a label to discredit people who can see through the deception, even though they are not sharing same theology. Some evil force do not like this common understanding , because it will lead to finding quran as the truth.
Its the same that's happening in India. They will give some label and box any one who is against the hindutva agenda, even if its from the Hindu community.
Don't trust on any labels given to some one without having an open box discussion on his ideology.
wasn't he talking about a yt channel? I thought
@@joeshmoe8080 ja ja
@@joeshmoe8080 zionists absolutely love putting Muslims and neo-nazis in the same basket.
Oh my God !
I have been looking for this guy for a long time. I had forgotten his name but he did this piece a while back on why Khabib Nurmagomedov's Islamic lifestyle was the reason he triumphed over Conor Mcgregor.
And I was absolutely stunned by his honesty in that video.
After a year or so, I tried finding him again and there was nothing on him. I almost began to think he was a fever dream.
Thanks for bringing him on, Daniel.
+1
*Two lessons to learn from this discussion:-*
- Never judge a book by it's cover.
- We can always come to common grounds, aka, commonalities.
May Allah ﷻ guide Mr. Mark to Islam. Ameen!
No I don't think that will happen but it was a nice discussion
@@micaelamartins6407 Well, you never know what will happen in the future, mate! Mr. Mark is pretty much against liberalism, aka, cancer. We're inviting him to Monotheism. The Qur'anic message is intuitive.
@@rafayshakeel4812 Thanks for your reply.
But we Europeans have our own moral values to base our society on. and liberalism is not one of them.
It was forced on us after WW2.
@@Hans-um6lu Hey there, Hans! I respect your values. Shari'a allows us to follow the law of the land, as long as those laws don't go against the laws of Allah (SWT).
I'd advise you to read the Qur'an. If you've any questions regarding Islam, then feel free to ask them. If I don't have an answer, then you can reach out to Islamic scholars. But please look into Islam.
May Allah (SWT) guide you to Islam, mate. Ameen!
@@rafayshakeel4812 Thanks, but understand that pre-ww2 laws of europe where not that far off from islamic laws.
The netherlands which is now the biggest gay parade in Europe. Was in 1930 the most conservative nation of western Europe.
we still have very strict christian towns.
Great discussion, and surprising in many ways. Jazak Allah khayr Brother Daniel for always thinking outside the box, and for hosting this discussion.
This debate made me respect Mark. He was an excellent and fair debater, unlike *cough* Apus *cough* 🙄
lol he was maybe fair, but not a debater
@@hanginggardenerofbabylon1046 I encourage you to watch his debate against 5 Zionists from the Israel Advocacy movement if you don't think he can debate. You might learn something too.
@@baggyloader8141 Where can we watch it?
@@baggyloader8141 yeah I watched it when it came out. What do you think I would learn from it?
@@baggyloader8141 ah IC: No I didnt mean that he CANT debate, but that he DIDNT. He just tried to convince Daniel that he is on his side, it was more two anti-liberals having tea together. But still interesting
This was one of the best conversations I've heard on YT in a while. Interesting how this went.
It was more like a conversation than a debate.
What an incredible conversation. May Allah guide Mark to Islam, never seen the level of common ground someone has ever shared with Muslims. I benefited a lot from this Alhamdulilah, both Br. Haqiqatjou and Mark provided immense value though their discussions.
@@aunmaqsood3129 yes what we need more off. I know us muslims have alot of hostile opposition therefore these debates are needed but we also need civil debates like this in which we can come to a commen ground.
We should keep in mind that the point of debates is to put forth or explain our opposing views. Sometimes it ends up with understanding and respecting the side more, or antagonism and hostility. Debates aren't just shouting matches you see in TH-cam, but can actually be productive and respectful like this one. I think that's been lost in the art of debating nowadays.
At the start it was and then they noticed that they had more similarities than difference and then toned things down a little.
This guy sure is rare, he is what really mean as White N asi onalist if they're really honest, unlike the one who pandering to e vangelis m and is rael, they are one of our worst enemies and even the most hypocrites more than l iberal f e minist
Excellent discussion. I was frustrated that Mark, despite agreeing with him on many things, refuses to take any accountability for the role of Europeans in their role of Enlightenment. There’s a singular blame attached to Zionists, completely negating the fact that Zionists didn’t push the Enlightenment in the 18th century, and nor do Zionists make you actually commit the sin yourself! Having said that, excellent discussion.
A small cult in France that spread to tiny percentage of the intelligencia was in no way reflective of 99% of European and European-Americans. Should I judge Islam by the heretical thinkers?
@@uverpro3598 I guess we're just gonna ignore all the colonization in pursuit of "advancing the civilization" while also bringing liberal modernity values
Who killed Jesus? Who are the money lenders in the temple? Who is the synagogue of satan as named in Revelations? Why did a certain people get kicked out 109 nations?
@@bbg7831 Spot on, but most people's brains are vacuous of your points.
My thoughts exactly Q Man!
Just arrived at the last 60 seconds, and all I saw and heard is words of respect and smiles, looks like the debate was friendly. Looking forward to watch the full debate later.
What's your name though?
As a Muslim, Mark is a Christian that I would shake his hand, respect to Mark and any Christian who share his views, we agree on many common grounds
And will shake yours.
Mark doesn't believe in Christianity. He believes in traditional ancient European spiritualism.
May Allah guide him To Islam
@@LetsAllDrinkToTheDeathOfAClown if you were able to follow it back far enough, you'd find Islam. Allah sent a prophet to every nation.
@@PJMRRS while Islam has been better at opposing chewish poisons such as Bolshevism and it's wicked little sister, "Liberalism", it's still my belief that the Abrahamic religions that were sent out to the non-chewish world, Christianity and Islam, were devised to mongrelize once distinct peoples such as the ancient Persians and Assyrians in the case of Islam, whom the chews hated as much as they hated the Romans. This chewish hatred of non-chews is still on full display in the world as they have virtually conquered the earth.
The way mark kept calm and listened to daniel was really respectable.
Isn’t that what he’s meant to do.
@@zia7708 Yes and he did his job perfectly
@@cracked4957 No no, think your missing the point, what else other than be calm and listen respectfully is he supposed to do?
@@zia7708
He was meant to be respectful, and he did it well, what is hard to understand?
@@zia7708
Nothing, he was supposed to be respectful, and he was respectful, again, what is hard to understand?
I don't think i am exagerrating, but I believe Mark is the most fair-minded Christian I ever watched a Muslim debate.
wait does this guy admit his countries are to blame for all the chaos in the world and he wants them to stop so he can go back to the life everyone is complaining they dont have now?? wow.. I'm in tears to find such amazing honest people. I hope we can reach the world of peace you speak of brother!
Yes.
We condemn the actions of our government completely.
They are not working for us and do not represent us.
🙏
@@evolassunglasses4673 yet unfortunately it is we, the people, who suffer.. I wish you all the peace possible..
Yes western governments are occupied by evil people, who do not represent the people, the sooner they can be replaced the better for us all
Annoying to me as Irish revert how mark keeps making Islam out to be a race itself. Like Islam isn't just middle eastern. Lol what about Bosnia, Albania, Chechnya, Dagestan etc etc and all the reverts. Muslim does not equate to a race..
I just asked about that in my comment. Its the same way jews re being discussed and therefore the convo is shallow as the parameters are ill defined.
@bqdxx How am I a traitor? do you want to debate this
@Lake Doesn't that proportinally make sense since "whites" are like 5% of the world population??? And the religion spread mostly throughout non white lands first???
@bqdxx Nah bro, finding the divine truth is the most important. Rather be a traitor to some internet white nationalists instead of a traitor to God. I'm not a traitor to my Irish background as a Muslim as I would be a christian, which was spread to the Island beginning in the middle east. Being a muslim doesn't mean you betray your own people, hopefully they accept it too! Was Abraham pbuh a traitor when he refused to worship idols when his people did?
@@ceed2638 I think he meant islam more as an ethnic group rather than a racial group. There's a big difference between ethnicity and race
I thought that Mark was gonna be like Tommy Robinson so I was pleasantly surprised to find out that that isn't the case. I completely disagree with Mark that Zionists are solely to blame for the rise of liberalism throughout the world as liberalism, feminism and anti-theism predate Zionism and were being pushed by European philosophers from 1700s onwards. That being said, there is a lot of common ground and we should work together to push back against the immorality that's being normalised in the world today. Jazakallah khairan for another good discussion brother Daniel. Keep them coming.
Edit: I don't know anything about Mark beyond what he said in this interview. Generally white nationalists that I see online are also white supremecists, but he said he doesn't believe in supremacy of races so I'm going to take his word for it.
You should watch his other videos, he blames Muslims for all the crusades and etc and doesn't acknowledge colonialist brutality
@@PabloSensei Yea, if that's the case, then the guy is a clown. Most Muslims in the comments, myself included, don't know anything about this guy beyond this discussion.
@@PabloSensei Some of his standpoints are disagreeable but he is better than whatever is on the left/alt-left wing.
@@serkankoldere well to be fair, it is hard to find out anything about him since you will have to go to dubious or non-mainstream platforms... so stupid. He is an interesting character, I miss the good old days when yt was full of vids you wouldnt get elsewhere, And I am a marxist, so nothing to do with my political views, yt has just become like 19th century Prussia, even comments go through censorship before being published
@@hanginggardenerofbabylon1046 Lmao, you're a Marxist. Why am I not surprised. A communist, communism is contrary to Islam and makes a person's faith in Islam void.
Beautiful conversation. Reminds me of translation of Quran 5:82. *And you will certainly find that the people most hostile against the believers are the Jews and the ones who ascribe partners to Allah. You will certainly find that the closest of them in friendship with the believers are those who say, “We are Christians.”That is because among them there are priests and monks, and because they are not arrogant*
May Allah(SWT) give hidayah to Mark and his family, Ameen.
Ameen
Ameen
Ameen. Youve got some interesting playlists akhi
Ameen
@@abumujahid1434 Yeah MashaAllah I like to engage in dawah with atheists, Christians, and murtads using them. Unfortunately I get a lot of dodging when I recommend videos that debunk their claims against Islam. Allah(SWT) cannot change them until they change themselves first.
I have watched all of your debates, Brother Daniel. but this time you have a worthy opponent! I respect when people build their arguments on logic, whether I agree with them or not
I agree with most of what Mark said. What a brilliant man. An honest brilliant man. Thank you both very much. A very informative and pleasant conversation once Daniel got over his initial presumption at the beginning.
May God protect you, guide you and bless you both.
I am Muslim and Mark has earned my respect!
I hope you respect our right to exist too, we are all so much danger. The zionist have infected the west and are now destroying every competition. The chinese thought they could play them, and now they have massive riots.
Bro 😂
Muslim edin 😂😂😂 nice try
@@akramsomali what do you mean nice try?
Same
I'm muslim palestinian. I like this guy Mark.
That is still little bit of Hope in the Western countries because of people like this guy Mark
@@aminuaidara8601 please understand, most western countries are dominated by Jews or whites who have bought into Zionism. We are doing what we can to Chang that. God bless
@@deggg1490 God bless.
@@aminuaidara8601 Alot of us whites started to think like him
✋🏻👨🏻😁👍🏻👋🏻
The Zionist killers have blood on their hands and we hope that Palestine stands strong against these malignant interlopers.
This was a great discussion. I'm a muslim born and brought up in the UK and its a shame i havent come accross Mark before on media, evidence of Censorship of real debate/discussion
Mark thanks for your time, i learnt a lot today from you. You're very calm and collected and its a shame mainstream platforms have shut you down. It just show freedom of speech only exists within a framework.
I'm a Daniel fan, watch all his debates but it was clear he approached this as a debate with wrong assumptions, which got ironed out as he discussion went on, tones changed and i felt like i was a part of that journey.
He has an Odysee channel.
"I'm a Daniel fan, watch all his debates but it was clear he approached this as a debate with wrong assumptions, which got ironed out as he discussion went on"
Yes I agree it got ironed out and this conversation shows respectful conversation on important subjects by intelligent people is very productive and helpful
Sometimes Mark is a guest on the No white guilt channel on TH-cam
@@Reem-ne7nn i feel the same, living in Europe in current conditions is unnatural for us, most have no choice. muslims need a "homeland", a darul islam. Then we can take over the world and bring the world from darkness into light.
That was a great discussion. May Allah guide Mark to Islam. JAK Akhi
This was quite a respectful debate.
1:16:16 Mark You're wrong, here in the UK you can denigrate, insult, disrespect and scornfully mock both Muhammad (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) with total impunity. But you can't for instance raise any criticism against Israelis, Zionism, Jews, Homosexuals, and soon paedophiles.
You can insult Muhammad? Then what was the deal with that teacher in Batley?
If I send you my bank and sort code, can we test this out? So after I lose my job you can take care of my finances.
@@jonwolf2247, Who are you talking to?
@@joer9156 why do u feel the need to even fathom the idea of insulting our prophet though? Why. What do u gain from mocking and insulting us. It shouldnt be allowed, same way someone insulting your father, Joe R, shouldnt be allowed.
@@joer9156 try telling that to Salman Rushdie
Mark is a best example for many people as he represented himself here in the panel. Thank you for having a respectful conversation. Thank you Mark
Respects to Daniel Haqiqatjou for having this conversation. He truly is a Muslim SKEPTIC. My favorite part of the debate was him entertaining the possibility of racial differences in mentality while his audience flipped out about it lol. Unlike some TH-cam Muslim figures he's just an intelligent honest guy. A good watch.
no, that was pathetic and lacked backbone
thats his personal view, it isnt based on islam
that was problematic, i disagree with that heavily. technological progress is heavily reliant on whichever nation is currently dominating
Time stamp?
@ClubHop yea it was, he didn't even contend that point
I throughly enjoyed this conversation, enlightening, entertaining, peaceful.
May Allah put more of these recommendations for me.
Jazakallahu khairan Daniel and Mark
This guy is totally different than what I expected. May Allah guide him to islam and open his hart 🤲
Amen
Ameen
yeah white nationalists are basically the only good natives in europe
@@whoisthegreatest6255 I understand this is a religious channel but please don’t assert people should convert to your religion, race culture and heritage is the most I’m portent thing to a nationalist, our race is our religion:)
@@ashleymelanie4518 I'm a white nationalist and Muslim.
The English guy spoke the truth
@Ali Abdullah Allah put us into our tribes and nations so that we may recognize each other and get to know ourselves.
Diversity multiculturalism mass immigration into Europe is destroying European people, it's ethnic cleansing.
I agree with many points mark makes. I also agree that what the common enemy is. Daniel is saying it is liberalism and Mark is saying it is liberalism that is lead by Zionism.
I agree with DH, Mark's position is like saying the little brother is leading the big brother.
The bible told us who the enemy is from the very beginning. The synagogue of satan has been named.
Not by zionism, led by Jews.
100% Daniel seemed to struggle with this concept ?
@@markclitheroe900 where did you get the 100% from? They both agree on the same point. From a different angle. Clear as daylight
What a great "Debate" - Mark despite his idealogy makes more sense and logic and shows intellect than Daniel's other debaters.
Don't forget that this "shared enemy" and their economic institutions have built their caricature of the last 80 years to ensure that this "ideology" of white collectivism and state banking is never tried again through mass psychological abuse and demonisation. Aka, painting any natural response based behaviour that was the norm pre 1940s as the Hollywood n**i.
It's not despite his ideology, it's because of his ideology. You've been sold a straw man of what we really believe by the same evil tribe that spent the early part of this century doing exactly the same to your people and creating people like Tommy Rubenstein.
@@baggyloader8141 Tommy rubenstein?
@@nanashi2146 Tommy Robinson
@@nanashi2146 Zionist Jew lover Tommy Robinson.
Too bad this debate had to end, I could listen to the both of them for hours and hours.
Mark is the type of person I would love to have a peace treaty with in his ideal world😂
Lol peace treaty
Peace treaty? is there a war going on?
@Manas Kumar You have an Indian name, are you lamenting or celebrating?
@Manas Kumar Are you a Hindu or a Muslim?
@Manas Kumar Go back to sleep
I’m a practising Moslem born & brought up & live in the UK - a country I love, but I’d agree with quite a lot that Mark has said. His approach is respectful and reasonable. I think if I were an indigenous white person I’d probably follow his approach! Brave words Mark. Respect!
Do read the Quran when you get a chance.
Thanks!
Good to see someone seeing how dire the situation is for us whites.
I hope more muslims would see the truth.
@@Hans-um6lu we actually do. My husband is British and my son looks far more White than Arab and it worries me that as a White Male what the future holds for him.
He'll kick you out if he gains power:/
@@AmelDousary1 We as Nationalist are not monsters. We just want the best for our peoples, We don't hate other peoples.
If a mixed person sees himself as European, acts like one, Lives in society like a propper European, in my eyes he should be considered one.
I understand your worry, i worry about my future children too.
We are all in this together. If the beast system wants white people gone, than its a religious duty to join in with their fight.
I think because our liberal dictatorship is focused on making us into debt slaves, maybe good time to think of growing our own food, clean from industrial chemicals so your son would be strong if hardship comes.
@@Hans-um6lu what type of hardship are u expecting to come down up on whites apart from the fact your birthrates are low at and therefore you’ll end up becoming the minority.
"islamic grooming gangs" bruh does mark know that those people will literally be executed under sharia law if they groom someone 😂
You need to know those are pakistanis from rural areas, they are also doing it in turkey.
@@Hans-um6lu They were first generation British Pakistanis. They sold drugs, drank alcohol and fornicate. Doesn't sound like very conservative and rural Pakistan.
@@procrastinator8817 The first generation were good seeing as they lived in their homeland and came to the west for work but when you spend 2+ generations in the west things end up catching up to you.
@@procrastinator8817 refugees have been doing it too.
@@Y.B_S4TC What does that say about Western culture then? Shouldn't they have been "civilised" after two generations?
Sorry brother Daniel. This wasn’t a debate but a misunderstanding. The other brother had some very good points that was novel to even you. Peace. This was a good discussion.
He didn't have good points. Muslims seem to want friends so badly they allow themselves to be taken in by sweet talkers. He hates Islam, and non whites. He's just sugarcoating stuff in an attempt to rebrand.
Back then, people had debates to understand each other opposing's views and nuances. Not all debates are antagonistic or hostile because the point of a debate is to put forth each other's views. Sometimes it ends up with understanding and respect, or hostility. This can still be counted as a debate because they both at their core, are still against each other in the ideological and worldview sense.
@@haqoe9857 I agree with you. The comment section is just sad. This guy is a lost white nationalist
@@MightyM2024 exactly
@@haqoe9857 I think he's referring to how zionism is the aftermath of J influence to push liberalism and other ism . Which is a fair point, I think its a misunderstanding on both sides. But Daniel is right that white ppl did play a big part I enlightenment but the Js had massive hand of influence. Look at the origins of banking in Europe etc
Conversations like this should definitely happen more often, agree with Mark 💯👍🏼
I realy enjoyed this conversation, which supposedly expected to be a classical debate. I was realy surprised that the debate went this way because I was expecting that a white nationalist is a kind of racist or at least hostile towward islam, but I think that we should consider people like Mark Collett, even if we believe that the best united society should be based on Islam and not on race.. Thank you Brother David for this conversation
he is extremely racist, and he also made it very clear. Everything evil in the world is because of one group of ppl
@@PabloSensei I,ve realy never seen or heard a white nationalist speaking about islam and values like this. It s not weird, it's just new for me!
@@idir77 wow, you haven't looked into the dissident right have you. There's fuentes, keith woods who praises guenon alot, there's the distributist, morgoths review and many more super smart people but racist nonetheless which is where we disagree
@@idir77 There are white nationalists who disagree much more with zionism/Jewish people than they do with Islam and Muslims but there are also white nationalists who just hate both equally.
The problem with people like Mark, is that they don't know enough about Islam and don't realize it that the problem they are against, Islam has a solution to it. He was right about the Yahoodi's, but he doesn't realize that his European culture and "religion" has no solution to the problems, obviously because it's a false ideology and religion.
This was the best debate by far! Daniel was laser focused. Mark was quite civil as well. This was great. Al hamdulillah.
marks not the smartest man in the room but he's a good lad I think we can see that
@@theloniuspunk383 dont agree with mark in some respects but i have a respect for him now.
@@AbangPete Same, I am appreciating Islam a lot more too
Mark was much more agreeable than I expected. I was pleasantly surprised.
Mark seemed very kind and open minded!
I'd love to see a second "discussion", maybe just enlightening him on why Islam is the truth, as he's been exposed ironically to the media portrayal of it.
The same way that Muslims have been exposed to the media portrayal of White nationalists. I genuinely believe we have more in common with many Muslims than we do with White liberals or kosher nationalists (Tommy Rubenstein). We have similar ideals and a common enemy trying to destroy us both.
@@baggyloader8141 fully agree
@@baggyloader8141 well said brother
@@baggyloader8141 thanks for making me laugh with the distortion of Robbinsons name.
Mark is lying , don't be fooled by him.
Since you put great emphasis on the matter of men merging with the machine, via the danger of the 4th industrial revolution or the internet of bodies, I urge you to invite other Nationalist who put more of a focus on that topic, such as Morgoth Review, or Computing forever. I think the conversation was very productive and should be continued between us, since I think a lot of people think we are only talking about migration related topics. We have much more to offer, and Nationalist were criticizing the modern developments for way longer than people think. Right now one philosopher in particular is gaining more traction again, that is Heidegger and his critique on the machine mindset.
Very interesting, knew about Morgoth Review but not Computing Forever, will check them out
It’d be worth also inviting Keith Woods to discuss transhumanism and enlightment philosophy, Mark isn’t as knowledgeable in that regards as Keith is
@@mvfc7637 collett isn't smart,just babbled on about Jews Keith woods is definitely smarter than him
@@PabloSensei Mark destroyed three Jews in a debate in April 2019, you should have seen the pilpul.
@@PabloSensei Collett is smart enough to make his arguments easily digestible to most people. Keith Woods is great but not as easy for a lot of people to follow along with. Both of them have their place .
I've a very strong feeling that Mark will eventually embrace Islam.. Insha'Allah!!
He could make a good muslim indeed.
I don’t think so, he is very patriotic to his country,culture,race he agrees with us on a lot and we could be allies but I don’t think he’ll embrace Islam. But I won’t to know how he plans on increasing white birthrates.
@@PabloSensei I was referring to Mark.. not you, chump!
@@prasg1186 haha still delusional lol, i'm literally muslim
@@osman7240 he argues for an organic change in society after he implements christian values, which sounds optimistic but from a pragmatic pov doesn't sound promising
When he used the word "wailing" in reference to the Athan it revealed a lot about him.
Tbh, not really. To someone who doesn't speak arabic and doesn't understand the quran, it seems like a fair point. It felt like when I went to nepal and heard people shouting over something. It's just sounds to us.
Fantastic conversation. We need more people like Mark in this world. Thanks Daniel for organizing this discussion. He's clarified a lot of misunderstandings I had of white nationalists. He's a hope of light for Europe.
a lot of common ground turns a debate into a discussion. Wunderful.
What’s interesting is that mark shares so many values that are islamic, but still clings to christianity because it’s his heritage and culture.
I don’t believe that there’s anything that would prevent him from becoming a muslim if he does start researching about islam intellectually.
Islam provides a solution to all of the problems that he has listed (with a complete legal system), and is the only religion that hasn’t changed or compromised.
I sincerely invite mark to islam. A repeated and valuable lesson in the quran is to not follow your forefathers, instead use your god gifted intellect to arrive at truth.
„And when it is said to them, "Follow what Allah has revealed," they say, "Rather, we will follow that upon which we found our fathers." Even if Satan was inviting them to the punishment of the Blaze?“ Surah 31:21
Islam is not British. it is not his culture. his people are being genetically replaced.
@@larrybirdainge5951 islam unites everyone regardless of culture or ethnicity. Because it’s core belief is so strong that everything else is trivial in comparison.
@@larrybirdainge5951 Islam can save his people from replacement.
@@larrybirdainge5951 neither is Christianity.
Religion does not have a country
I would love to see Daniel have a conversation with Nick J. Fuentes. He is highly influential with Young American conservatives and has done a lot to convince young people of the evils of liberalism.
isn't he the guy that says women are gay?
@@theloniuspunk383 Yeah, groypers are an interesting bunch
@@theloniuspunk383 "isn't he the guy that says women are gay?"
As part of a funny bit yeah. I think Nick and Daniel would have a good conversation, Daniel seems to enjoy a lot of the same ironic humor as Nick.
Their conversation may be more confrontational though, since Nick is a strong Catholic Christian and Mark is an atheist.
I prefer to see a conversation between Daniel and Jason Kohne (no white guilt)
@@MA__ That would be an interesting conversation as well.
I'm surprised Daniel thought a white nationalist would be a liberal. They should debate the fundamental difference that why nationalists don't want to allow other ethnicites to live alongside them. And why different cultures living together shouldn't be an issue. I'd love to hear Daniel's arguments to tackle that issue.
@Nasim Ahmed Well said, brother. Barakallahu feek. That's where Islam stands apart from the rest. While everyone is dwelling on this ephemeral worldly life, Islam teaches us to stand firm to face what's eternal, the absolute. It's hard to convince nationalists about the worthlessness of worrying about their heritage or racial purity, without convincing them the absolute reality we are about to face after death. That's how this issue must be dealt with instead of trying to appease people and "finding the commonalities between Islam and nationalism".
@Nasim Ahmed so you can’t assign a collective blame over an idea. So your argument that Liberalism is a “white” idea or is inherent in ethnonationalism falls flat on its face. It is of course cherry picking, as you or Daniel who utilize technologies or civil liberties ascribed to Western countries that one CHOOSES TO LIVE IN. I accept your apology and I won’t call you or any Muslim migrant a Liberal even tho they vote with their feet.
this white nationalist has to be the most based person Daniel has brought on
Most are like Mark.
@@RichardMfu
Are you from a western nation?
Seems like a typical /pol/ user except Mark actually sympathises with and respects non-whites
The term “based” came from whyyte nationaliists lol
This is the time for alliances against liberalism. Because this is the eminent danger.
Much respect to both. As a Muslim I respect Mark’s position. He is a well mannered and well headed person.
Zionism and enslavement via debt & usury is a risk to humanity.
Interesting and civil discussion 👍👍
This was more of a conversation than a debate, we need more of this inshallah.
It is absolutely insane that people like Mark and Daniel are considered "fringe" for believing what literally ALL OUR ANCESTORS believed prior to the Industrial Revolution and Globalism. As a Muslim, I respect Christians like Mark and that was a great discussion.
Great conversation. Thanks for having it.
Ethno-nationalism is an absolute requirement. I do not want my people to be a minority in their own homeland, or to be bred out of existence. I love my people and I want them to continue existing and flourishing. Beyond that minimum requirement, I have no problem at all with Muslims and would like to have friendly partnerships with them in their own nations and us in ours.
No , you don't 😅
If every party in disagreement can have a discussion like this the world will be a better place.
Wow, great interesting and amazing debate, well it was more of a discussion once each party realised they agreed on majority of things
thank you Mark for being polite and objective
Subhanallah i didn't expect such understanding and respect between both of you jazakhalahu khair brother and may Allah gide him
It is interesting that both Mark and Daniel agree that Muslims should not be in the West, but for different reasons.
Good, productive debate. We need more debates between Muslims who follow the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah and true social/cultural right/far right wingers. However, I believe Brother Daniel should research the specific group in question more, Mark's points regarding them were true, overrepresentation and favoritism.
You weren't paying attention then
He had no issue with that
His problem is Mark is focusing on the wrong thing
@@rogersmith6813 He was not addressing who actually funds and controls the liberal secular regime which is, the specific group. Mark was correct about the media and who it's owned by. On the other hand, Mark should have conceded the point that Europeans did have a hand in spreading liberalism, this is a historical fact.
@@TheRealMikeMichaels the media isnt owned by anyone. You cannot on one hand blame liberalism, and on the other see secret authoritarian structures everywhere. Authoritarianism is completely antithetic to liberalism
@@hanginggardenerofbabylon1046 We know who it's owned by, you won't admit to who.
Daniel should have done more research or framed this as an interview. He came into this 'debate' thinking Mark is a counter-jihad personality.
Given the fact that mark is banned from all the social media platforms,the surprise that a person didn't know his deep beliefs is kinda justifiable.
@@mamoonabdullah839 no for Daniel it is not an excuse, you don´t go like that into a debate with someone like that, just with your standard equipment...
@@hanginggardenerofbabylon1046 Standard equipment? Would the non-standard equipment have taken away from the honesty of the conversation? Why are you so against us having a constructive dialogue with each other?
@@baggyloader8141
He is against it maybe because he’s a europhobe
I really learned something about white nationalists today, hope all of them are like mark.
They r not all so put together.. but neither r they like the media potrays
I believe most of us have the same morals & values as Mark.
We do edgy jokes and all but we are really nice people that want what's in the best interest of our people.
All white nationalists and fascists are complete enemies of liberalism and anything that goes against god. We hate those that disrupted the Islamic world, as they are also the same the disrupted ours. Never forget it was Germany and her allies in the 40s that tried to help Palestine and other Muslim nations against Israel and Zionism.
They are not.
Wallahi this felt so wholesome finally seeing Daniel have a very respectful and kind debate with someone, made me smile all the way.
Finally, a worthy opponent. Or should I say, a worthy brain.
I know right. I think it’s very telling that the most honest and intelligent person that Br Daniel’s debated was also the most respectful. May Allah guide us all, Ameen.
He's not that intellectual, didnt you notice his useless waffling the first half of the discussion, kept on pushing everything on to the Jews when it came to European history
@@PabloSensei My friend, what do you expect him to say? Spend his time attacking John Stuart Mill and Adam Smith and John Locke and David Hume etc? He already opposes what they stand for and is working against it. Furthermore, at the present time, White liberals are not calling the shots in the same way that they may have been then. There is already enough White self-flagellation to go around. He is not steering to Js for no reason. If it was not for their influence in the 20th century, WW2 would not have turned out how it did and the Western liberal tradition may have been all but over.
@@bobnielsen7661 no? Acknowledge what white people did which he doesn't because he always needs a scapegoat
@@PabloSensei He acknowledged it under the qualification that it was also influenced by the subversion of others, and it is much more so today. I don't understand why this matters so much. No one is denying that the entire Western liberal tradition existed. It is, nuanced, though.
mark is a gentleman.
This guy lied and went without challenge, he claimed if you mock Nabi Muhammad SAW in the UK you get locked up, that is BS no such law exist in the UK
Yes, they literally say it's free Speech
Poland and Germany are the only European countries left with blasphemy laws. In Germany the law was only one time in history applied to somebody who blasphemed another religion than christianity. Somebody printed the qur´an on toilet paper. He was fined with 50 euros or so. In all other instances christianity was insulted and the fine was in the ten thousands. So much for "you can t mock islam, only christianity". It is a baseless anti-muslim allegation. Don´t pay attention to it. No religion is mocked more than Islam in Western countries, and nothing could be more obvious!
You're right it's not illegal but it would be labeled as 'islamaphobic' by white liberals
There's a man who was put into an English jail for leaving bacon at a mosque where I believe he was killed by other inmates
@@ianclose123 lol I want to move to the UK if what youre saying is true. I really cant believe it, though I heard that ppl in the UK are far nicer to Islam than on the mainland. Here in Germany it is just the opposite. Especially if you work with non-muslims. We have to put up with non-muslims saying bad things about muslims at work right in front of our eyes and almost every day, and we cant escape it. Some even make "jokes" about concentration camps and so.
I'm really happy with this discussion. Daniel came in kind of hat because he assumed too much about Mark because he didn't know him. But the truth is, there's always been a lot more agreement and mutual respect between the West and the Middle East. Between Christian Europe and the Islamic World.
Now I'm not acting as if there's never been any conflict, there was, but the conflict really begun to escalate when the West embraced secular liberalism and abandoned their Christian heritage. And Liberalism is a ideology without borders and doesn't respect traditional cultures or borders. Now...to a certain extent, Islam and Christianity are ideologies without borders as well. They both seek to find converts always.. HOWEVER...there was far more mutual respect between Christians and Muslims than there EVER has been between Secular Liberals and both major religions.
Christians and Muslims have a lot in common. They share the same god, the same prophets, and in a lot of ways the same morals. They shared a mutual respect towards one another on the condition that they mostly don't integrate. Trade and form alliances, sure...just not live door to door. Secular Liberalism has no such mutual respect for any religion and seeks a global hegemony. One that leads to a lot of material wealth (this is true), but ultimately...hollowness, loneliness, emptiness, depression, anxiety, suicide, crime, chaos.
I'd give up my smart phone for a sense of order and community.
Hey Daniel, I've been looking in to you and your work, and I want to let you know, you have my support, and best wishes and anyone who says something bad about you will loose my respect and I will unsubscribe to them.... (I don't think, I ever offended you, but if I have, I'm 100% apologizing)
Mark is Muslim potential. From: a white Muslim. 🥰
@Gaytanity 638 my father is arab and he whiter than mark.
@Gaytanity 638 they are not white. They are traitors.
Don't crave for non muslims into muslim circles.
@@alhashmy1310
That’s not how genetics works lol
My main problem with Mark's stance is it basically doesn't care much about the truth. It puts race and tradition above truth. Whether Islam is the correct religion sent by Allah or Christianity is seems not to matter. He seems to treat religion similar to national cuisine or art where the truth of the religion either doesn't matter or doesn't exist. I wonder what difference there is with the mushrikun who when their prophets came to them with the truth said:
بَلْ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّا وَجَدْنَآ ءَابَآءَنَا عَلَىٰٓ أُمَّةٍ وَإِنَّا عَلَىٰٓ ءَاثَـٰرِهِم مُّهْتَدُونَ
وَكَذَٰلِكَ مَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ فِى قَرْيَةٍ مِّن نَّذِيرٍ إِلَّا قَالَ مُتْرَفُوهَآ إِنَّا وَجَدْنَآ ءَابَآءَنَا عَلَىٰٓ أُمَّةٍ وَإِنَّا عَلَىٰٓ ءَاثَـٰرِهِم مُّقْتَدُونَ
۞ قَـٰلَ أَوَلَوْ جِئْتُكُم بِأَهْدَىٰ مِمَّا وَجَدتُّمْ عَلَيْهِ ءَابَآءَكُمْ ۖ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّا بِمَآ أُرْسِلْتُم بِهِۦ كَـٰفِرُونَ
43:22 In fact, they say, “We found our forefathers following a ˹particular˺ way, and we are following in their footsteps.”
43:23 Similarly, whenever We sent a warner to a society before you ˹O Prophet˺, its ˹spoiled˺ elite would say, “We found our forefathers following a ˹particular˺ way, and we are walking in their footsteps.”
43:24 Each ˹warner˺ asked, “Even if what I brought you is better guidance than what you found your forefathers practicing?” They replied, “We totally reject whatever you have been sent with.”
وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمُ ٱتَّبِعُوا۟ مَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ قَالُوا۟ بَلْ نَتَّبِعُ مَا وَجَدْنَا عَلَيْهِ ءَابَآءَنَآ ۚ أَوَلَوْ كَانَ ٱلشَّيْطَـٰنُ يَدْعُوهُمْ إِلَىٰ عَذَابِ ٱلسَّعِيرِ
31:21 When it is said to them, “Follow what Allah has revealed,” they reply, “No! We ˹only˺ follow what we found our forefathers practicing.” ˹Would they still do so˺ even if Satan is inviting them to the torment of the Blaze?
Also, Mark argues strongly against liberal values and morals but might not have a problem with nations having any set of values as long as they're the nation's own values and that they naturally develope which is some type of moral relativism.
@@Free-Palestine That's true.
It also seems the tension they have between prioritizing race or truth\true religion\correct values leads to contradictions they can't resolve without putting the true religion foremost.
You can be an ethnonationalist, and a muslim. There's no contradiction, but (certain tribe) wants to weaken ethnonationalism in other groups and weaken the ideology. In regards to Mark not supporting invasions etc of other lands, I don't believe this is based in moral relativism, but pragmatism and because it would do more bad than good like USA's wars (influenced by a certain tribe) to change the middle east has done more bad than good.
@@tayzk5929
Are you a Muslim ?
I definitely did not expect Mark to speak so much sense in many ways. Nice discussion.
Why not?
Mark is a great and honest man
@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists that is not narrow. That is just a position of mark. The next level is to become philosophical.
It was Britain itself who brought Indians and Pakistanis to Britain for military purposes and as industrial workers.
@@thauthentic yes. But mark’s point is that he doesn’t agree with that. But the truth is Britain became great because of all the resources they got from Indian subcontinent
That was like going into battle with an enemy invader only to realize that it was a long lost good friend 😂
Most turks and arabs that i know in my country, i have a common ground with.
Not on a religious values but on moral values. I’m so done with this liberal bullshit.
We are both equally screwed, if one of us falls then the other is for the picking.
@@Hans-um6luif you have so much common ground with them, why don´t you want to share a country with them (assuming that you don´t)?
I was waiting for what would Daniel argue in this debate. I think it was a very fruitful one. I really didn't expect Mark to have such views which is admirable.
PS: Br Daniel, if you want to debate someone who is a Conservative but glorifies the enlightenment, I would recommend Matt Walsh. He has some good points but also too many self contradicting ones
matt walsh is a zionist like tommy lol, the dissident right are much better
I know, thats why it would be interesting
He is from the Ben Shepero gang
This was very unexpected and interesting, may God grant you both guidance and lead you to success
2:21:54
Those 3 persons disliking
"Apuss"
"Ridvan"
"Woods"
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I'm arab Muslim my father and many of my relatives are whiter than Mark and i agree with Mark about Muslim immigration and I agree with his point about Europe should be only for Europeans .
Awesome is respect islam too. Also mark is partially Dinaric. But not all Ethnic Europeans have 1 fenotype.
I hope this debate stays on and not be removed by TH-cam.
It will get removed