ok, but one thing that needs to be said: the story of Planescape Torment is already finished, it wasn't written to have a sequel but to be a standalone story. I've talked to other Torment fans and they all agree that attempting to continue the story of The Nameless One and his companions would never work and is a horrible idea that even a great studio would not likely be able to salvage. What could instead be done, however, is an anthology kinda thing. A different story revolving around different characters that is also set in the same setting and that recaptures the spirit of Planescape Torment, with the focus on story, the complex but engaging philosophical questions, and just the overall unique feeling the original had. We all know how much it often sucks when companies try to force sequels on stories that didn't need them, but with a different story and cast, I think something truly great could be crafted. But also, tbh, I don't know if Larian are the right people for this one. BG3 and DOS2 are fantastic games, but they're very different from PS:T. Larian doesn't really have much experience with designing a game just like Torment. The only people I think I could truly trust with this task are the guys who made Disco Elysium, that's a very similar game that managed to recapture many of the things that made Torment great and was just as successful.
another thing i'd absolutely love to see is a remake of the original game, with modern graphics, full voice acting, and use of the BG3 engine to solve many of Torment's original problems (which mostly stem from gameplay/age/combat). I don't want the dialogue to be changed in any significant way, a masterpiece shouldn't be messed with, but all the stuff outside the dialogue and story could be improved to create a true masterpiece of a video game
@@ronben-ezer8373 totally. I'm more expecting another game set in planescape's setting than the nameless one part II. Larian, black isle, ZA/UM... differents approaches, but all very interessing to see
I wish they were releasing a proper Manual of the Planes as part of this, with details and fleshed-out 5e rules for all of the Outer Planes. I'm sure the Gate Towns will be useful microcosmic starting points, but still.
Unfortunately, WotC is not doing that. However, Planescape will be opened up on DMs Guild when this set is released, and there just might be something exactly like that covering a lot of this released then. ;) It's not an official WotC hardcover, but checking the latest draft from the team I'm working with, it's looking really cool and will hopefully fill this gap for a lot of people. And if not, I'm sure there will be other writers and other teams writing similar products for the planes, so hopefully there will be something out there eventually to meet everyone's tastes.
The 3.5 edition DMG had a chapter on the Planes that included example locations and rules for extra planner adventures that are easily translated to 5e. Most of the 3.5 and even a lot of 2nd edition lore and rules require only minor tweaks so it's probably a good thing that they're focusing on new lore/content over reprinting what already exists.
@@flameknightdragon at least it's better then forcing people to rebuy the same books in multiple editions because WOTC totally rewrite the rules/history every few years (ala Magic the Gathering and 4th edition). Because there are a ton of books on Planescape already it makes sense to focus mode on updating statblocks so that you can grab any old adventure or sourcebook and run it under 5e - or just fill in the blanks using the free lore on the internet with whatever rules work for your campaign. This is what our DM did for Planescape/Dark Sun/Spelljammer and the old rules are pretty straightforward - healing is stronger in Positive Planes, elemental spells are more powerful in the associated inner planes and abilities like Divine Intervention won't work in Sigil. It's a 'perk' that DND has over Pathfinder that there is 'no wrong way to rule on how the outer planes work in your game so you can make them as complex or simple as you like. Eg I ran Ravenloft with just a PDF of the 2nd edition Domains of Dread book and google and swapped out the old stats for whatever 5e ones worked at the time.
Honestly the thing that made Sigil unique in 2e was the kriegstanz, the philosophical cold war between the Factions for control of the city. Sure the Lady of Pain ruled but belief was power and if you could tip the scales anything was possible (shout out to Duke Rowan Darkwood). Will be very interested to see what they do with the factions beyond the planar philosopher background.
I would say they don't want to do the Kriegstanz, at all. No faction limit, make your own faction guide, all that. The core parts of Sigil's political tension are not described. Just do whatever.
8:00 sounds like a cool plot. You get hired by the governor of an evil-aligned gate town as a private contractor to take out some of the too successful gang leaders and do some good deeds here and there, so that the town doesn't just get subsumed into the plane it is supposed to lead to.
I used to want WOTC to translate all the old content to 5e. Now I just want them to focus on getting writers that can make decent new stories before breaking old ones.
Planescape is my favorite D&D setting…. So many memories of this incredible setting. Planescape Torment PC game, the paperback novels, the Factols War… and of course the Lady of Pain who is more powerful than the strongest dieities . ❤️🔥🌹 can’t wait to dive into this box set.
After butchering Spelljammer I hope you guys have learned a lesson in properly caring for us the consumers instead of making a quick buck out of nostalgia. This one is specially important to me as a Planescape campaign was my introduction to DnD back in 3.5. The art looks promising at least.
The problem for Spelljammer was too much was left on the cutting room floor, as evidenced by miniatures for a character not in the adventure (Prince Xavra in the Temple of Light box). This set has more pages but still far less than the 2e original box let alone it’s many expansions, hopefully they did a better job at getting the most important parts kept in, but it will still be too short. What Spelljammer needs is a supplement like Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft with more character options (Dohwar PCs for example), items, additional ship optional rules and lots more lore (Realmspace system details for example, major factions for another). However good this will be it’ll still be just the bare bones of the setting, but hopefully they can be convinced to do a sizeable supplement afterwards to get more meat onto those bones.
Absolutely. DiTerlizzi's art was good in the '90s on a time crunch, and over the past nearly 30 years has gone to godlike. Hoping he has some pieces in the books themselves and not just the alt covers.
Lets make this one better than the spelljammer release please? This was the thing I was most excited for this year and I just have a sneaking suspicion it's gonna be a repeat of the last.. The Eberron book was the last really good settings book that was done and its one book was somehow more content filled than the spelljamer 3 book set.
@@kaptenteonot enough explanation of rules was a big thing. For example, tons of talk about ships in space, not enough talk about how ship to ship combat works
@@kaptenteo It was pretty threadbare especially compared to the 2e box set released back in the day, which is more disappointing given the price point for Spelljammer that WOTC set upon release at about $70.
I was really hoping for an Eberron type book that just updated the essentials to 5E. Glad I have all the 2E books to rely on. Planescape is by far my favorite campaign setting and one I've continually returned to. Hopefully there will be something useful in these books. For anyone interested in really diving into this setting the Dmsguild is your friend.
Interesting fact: The cartoon character reference to a "Wile E. Coyote and the Sheep clocking out for the day" (0:57) is incorrect. That wasn't Wile E. Coyote. It was a character named Ralph Wolf. (named after a Warner Bros visual artist.) He looks like Wile E Coyote but has a red nose and white eyes.
I hope WOTC learned from their mistakes with Spelljammer for their Planescape project, but judging from the 3-book offering for this entry I highly doubt it. Hopefully they will depart from their "rulings not rules" framework for creating D&D content with this release, and give the DM proper tools to run the world provided.
agreed, though they have confirmed the book is longer than spelljammers, i think by 30+ pages, so im sure itll at LEAST be better than spelljammers fiasco
@@daviddoesntsucc I hope so too, but in a way I want it to be more than just better. I wish that we would see a final product comparable to that of 2nd edition Planescape, wherein the book is not only longer, but every page was chock-full of useful information, charts, art, monsters, rules, etc. An additional 30 pages is nice relative to 5e Spelljammer, but only if those pages are utilized properly.
@@imperialwatch1966 oh belive me i wish the same too! And while im way more positive abt this product than the average planescape guy, i aint stupid, 5e will not have NEARLY the same kinda attention as 2e planescape did I am STUNNED at how many books old planescape had, especially considering 2 of them were DEDICATED to NPC work and such! And considering how rushed the makers of these tend to be bc of shitbags like WOTC and Hasbro, i cannot in good mind expect OR wish for more content than they give Plus, considering it seems like their future metaplot stuff will deal with planescape quite a bit, im sure there will be SOME kinda addition to it at some point that they already have planned to some degree, maybe to flesh out the vecna nonsense that happened there
@@francisxavier8374 yeah, i noticed that about ravenloft too, though that ones a teeny bit more justified imo, because of og ravenlofts inter-connected domains, each having their own unique feel and characters, as well as relationships between neighboring domains; unlike planescape, which is one cosmopolitan and the outer planes VERY happy with all the books dont get me wrong, makes both settings really fleshed out and absolutely amazing, just as someone who was introduced to dnd with 5e, its surprising to see how many books some settings used to get
They released two maps; one of the “Great Wheel” cosmology & one of Sigil…and, (whistles)…it’s pretty fantastic. Incredibly dense…but it looks elegant, too.
Yeah that aspect of them is just a great idea, and intertwined with the whole ethos of alignments and belief shaping reality in Planescape. Shows how well these guys know the lore.
"Eligibility: Any character can become a Merkhant, but he’s got to be able to put together quite a stash before the Misers believe he’s got what it takes to join their sect. Merkhants can’t be of good alignment, since the accumulation of wealth for its own sake is a pretty self-centered activity." - Planescape Monstrous Compendium Appendix 2
As an Eberron fan, every time they say stuff like "this is the backstage of *every* D&D setting" or "every setting's gods are here" I die a little inside. In all seriousness though, Planescape has always seemed like a fun setting and I hope this book is good.
@@tristanmattwig8541 It is explicitly not connected to the rest of the D&D multiverse, it doesn't have the standard D&D planes, and the gods are considered "distant" and may or may not actually exist
@@marimbaguy715 tbh i'm pretty sure according to 5e the entire Eberron cosmology lies INSIDE the standard great wheel, hidden somewhere in the deep ethereal
God its gonna be fun for DMs to role play the gate towns. I'm imagining the evil chaotic creature who has no choice but to give lollipops to children if he wants to keep his job
I need to know... does this mean Para-Genasi are back, since it's one of the few places they haven't yet gone extinct in following the Spellplague spreading to other worlds? I play as them a few times with older editions, but with more recent ones I'm kinda tired of relying on Homebrew reconstruction.
There was UA for it last year - but the fun thing about Sigil is it's the 'anything goes' setting - so you can pick your craziest build choices and have the DM go - ah so you're a Gith Celestial Warlock/Cleric of Tiamat who was adopted by a Unicorn and a Dragonborn who owned a coffee shop in Sigil and you have a pet slime called Gillbert.. Yup no issue there.
@@finnmchugh99 yup our DM loves Planescape so we've had a few adventures there.. Basically think of the 'Melting pot of New York' with every creature from every part of the multiverse (including Earth!) just trying to make a living or trying to find a portal to escape back to their home plane. It's home to every kind of food, species and the kind of place where you can get anything and everything for a price.
"Backstage" is an apt description. I always pictured it as dense, cluttered, crowded, noisy, and, outside of the main roads, disorientingly convoluted. Picture the haphazard clutter of an overstuffed attic or closet with decades upon decades of miscellaneous oddities piled atop each other, shoved into corners, and overflowing. Now imagine an enclosed, toroidal city where every place that isn't a shop or heavily trafficked thoroughfare has been subject to the same phenomenon for thousands of years, but nothing degrades or disintegrates, and no matter how deeply you venture, you're bound to encounter scavengers picking through veritable skyscrapers of refuse for some rare magical bauble lost to time.
The Planescape boxset should have contained detailed descriptions and rules for the outer planes, beside Sigil itself and the outlands. Describing the gate cities, the portals that connect to the outer planes, and not the outer planes they connect to, is baffling to me. If you need inspiration/resources to build an adventure that will take your players outside of Sigil, to explore one or more outer planes, the planescape boxset is almost useless.
"Sigil or Sijil" Dear "senior game developer", there was literally an example in the original PS sourcebook when some clueless been sentenced to death because they pronounced it "Sijil".
Well remembered, it's in black and white in the original 2e booklet. Hard G, no ambiguity there, no controversy. Anyone saying it like a j is objectively wrong.
My Dude. I'll stick with pronouncing it as Seejil. Anyway. When my pc's ended up in Sigil in my 3.5 campaign, I played the Lady as a being that brings Sigil into being as an act of will. Hence all the Beings and Creatures not messing around and rather indulging in faction wars through agents. So if the Lady is both a constructor and a construction of Sigil, it means Sigil is immune to paradox. So the players were in timey-wimey adventures, meeting themselves, future/past family members etc. I'll take what's interesting from the books and leave the rest.
You need to listen to the CD that comes with the Player's Primer to the Outlands for the official pronunciation of Sigil. Since you guys messed up Spelljammer (by apparently not reading the 2nd edition setting) enough that it now functions as Planescape, I don't have any hopes that this isn't likewise messed up.
Will it be the same amount of effort as spelljammer? Never forget. Why does it need to be 3 books? Why not just one? You have the editing right with eberron. Nobody wants 3 tiny 64 page books again. I'm not excited. I'm dissapointed. I'll wait to hear the dissapointed reviews before I make the mistake of buying this on day one like I did with SJ.
Thankfully, the setting book and the adventure are 96 pages this time instead of 64, so they have a little more room to play with. That brings the total page count to 256, which is much better than Spelljammer's 192. I'm with you on waiting for reviews, but I'm slightly less pessimistic than I was when I first heard they were doing the box set format again.
@@marimbaguy715 I still don't understand the boxset format. Erberron had over 300 pages and it was one book all about the world and how to create an interesting game in that world. 96 pages of this is dedicated to an adventure that should have its own separate release and use those pages for more player options and world building. It just seems like a way to trick people into thinking they are getting more than what they realize. Idk, I guess Im just jaded after the Spelljammer release which was a giant nothing sandwich lol.
As for pronouncing a city's name, there is a city here in Virginia spelled Norfolk. People from the north and west pronounce it wrong... because the people on TV can't use the correct pronunciation, so people learn the wrong way.
SO...was it me or this would most likely be influenced by video games than the book? Like people know Planescape from Planescape: Torment than the setting itself. As far as I know, the game is a lot different than the book according to old players. Not sure if the player hook will involve "you wake up in a morgue with no memories, a journal, and Yakko Warner's skull".
So a key part of the lore is that Sigil is the center of the entire dnd multiverse and is a place where gods are locked out but the portals open up everywhere! This is why another nickname for Sigil is "The Cage" because once you are in Sigil it's often much harder to find your way back. This is why you get Angels/Devil's hanging out because their gods can't interfere, and it's a city built on refugees/outcasts/rebels and extra planner adventurers as 'all doors eventually lead to Sigil'. It's basically fantasy New York where every creature across the multiverse is either visiting, trying to escape or just make a living. So a Mindflayer bakery makes a lot more sense when you remember that there are a lot of zombies, undeads and monsters who want to be fed...and thus a market to sell your brain pies.
Excited! Planescape is the center of the multiverse and is my personal fav (what am i kidding, i love them all, bring in Greyhawk next!) To those who are unhappy there is no races or new subclasses, all i can say is this, dont worry. Planescape's strength was the weird possibilities found in the city. You will have a good time here (mostly, just dont walk up and ask the Lady of Pain on a date) and besides, have we already exhausted all the player options already? There is 50+ subclasses now or so, go try those out first. This is going to be interesting. O am hopeful it will be an awesome setting in 5e
True, players love to make 3+ character sheets and have no attachments to the characters because they are all disposable stat husks with no stakes of death or consequences...
I think the death part is ok. This is not a setting of dread but a setting for solving a problem. If you die 100x doesnt necessarily mean youre any closer to finishing the game. A dm can kill you and set the party back. This might be their first attempt on a rogue like
My 2 cents on pronouncing the name is that Sigil (like the symbol) sounds more mysterious, more epic. Sigil (how WotC says it) is just too close to wiggle, giggle, etc. it’s just too funny of a sound to be the name of such an epic place
He has been name-dropped as a major antagonist for one of the upcoming releases…either for Planescape (where he already has some history, attempting to usurp The Lady of Pain); or in the “Book of Many Things”(?).
@@MisterSmith00 I think Vecna's adventure is neither of these. Book of Many Things it's a theme book, like Fizban's with dragons or Bigbi's with Giants, this one will expand the Deck of Many Things lore. And the Planescape adventure (described in this video) doesn't sound like it's related to Vecna
The vecna adventure (first book of 2024) is supposed to be foreshadowed with this book, its supposed to be a lead in i think, so i assume its a longer planescape adventure or something
shame there seems to be no race or subclass options. sure the rogue modron thing i dont thank anyone was looking for but planescape is so wild that its a missed opportunity for some really creative and out their race options. plus having some plane touched subclasses at the very least a couple for sorcerer would have fit lovely. missed opportunity. oh well better do the setting better or 5e before there 50th ani is going to end on a pretty soured note
I get the reasoning, but it is WEIRD. You have all of an infinite multiverse, every reality, every possibility... and every single tine they use the same example of an angel meeting a devil at a bar. An idea that is decades old, and that they refernced at least three times. Infinite. Possibility.
And the original books point out that that whole idea is complete bull too, as most celestials and fiends aren't EVER going to hang out. You're more likely to see them trying to choke each other out in Sigil than sharing a drink. xD
Hasn't it always been that way? I have the 2E box set, and it seems to have been this way from the start. Though it's been a long while since I've read it. I need to read it again.
I would pay a enormous amount of money to play a game based on planescape made by larian with every race available since it’s the only setting where every race gathers gosh it would make me so broke
This is cool but are you guys going to connect the worlds of D&D and the Magic the Gathering planes? WotC has said both games are part of the same multiverse but you haven’t explained how that works. Are we going to see planeswalkers in D&D? Will Magic the Gathering villains like the Phyrexians going to appear in D&D?
@@Michael-fd1gx I thought Wizards said they were connected. If they are separate why are there D&D books for some of the Magic the Gathering planes? If they aren’t connected, that is a missed opportunity :(
I just wish the guys who created this particular books were a little bit smarter, or more knowledgeable in general terms. The books are good, but this could have been great. Most of the heavy lifting still needs to be done by DMs.
This looks like an amazing setting. It’s almost as if it is the soul of dnd in one place, reminds me of the book Ready Player One but dnd. Can’t wait to video game inside this world besides all the fun table top adventures. (If an immersive video game of pls escape ever comes out )
You are the one who is wrong. From the days of 2e d&d when the original planescape boxed set, it was hard G. I have it in front of me in black and white.
Hear me out, get Larian to make the sequel to Planescape: Torment
this.
ok, but one thing that needs to be said: the story of Planescape Torment is already finished, it wasn't written to have a sequel but to be a standalone story. I've talked to other Torment fans and they all agree that attempting to continue the story of The Nameless One and his companions would never work and is a horrible idea that even a great studio would not likely be able to salvage.
What could instead be done, however, is an anthology kinda thing. A different story revolving around different characters that is also set in the same setting and that recaptures the spirit of Planescape Torment, with the focus on story, the complex but engaging philosophical questions, and just the overall unique feeling the original had. We all know how much it often sucks when companies try to force sequels on stories that didn't need them, but with a different story and cast, I think something truly great could be crafted.
But also, tbh, I don't know if Larian are the right people for this one. BG3 and DOS2 are fantastic games, but they're very different from PS:T. Larian doesn't really have much experience with designing a game just like Torment. The only people I think I could truly trust with this task are the guys who made Disco Elysium, that's a very similar game that managed to recapture many of the things that made Torment great and was just as successful.
another thing i'd absolutely love to see is a remake of the original game, with modern graphics, full voice acting, and use of the BG3 engine to solve many of Torment's original problems (which mostly stem from gameplay/age/combat). I don't want the dialogue to be changed in any significant way, a masterpiece shouldn't be messed with, but all the stuff outside the dialogue and story could be improved to create a true masterpiece of a video game
id echo @ronben-ezer8373 s sentiment, id rather a faithful remake of the game personally!
@@ronben-ezer8373 totally. I'm more expecting another game set in planescape's setting than the nameless one part II. Larian, black isle, ZA/UM... differents approaches, but all very interessing to see
I wish they were releasing a proper Manual of the Planes as part of this, with details and fleshed-out 5e rules for all of the Outer Planes. I'm sure the Gate Towns will be useful microcosmic starting points, but still.
Unfortunately, WotC is not doing that. However, Planescape will be opened up on DMs Guild when this set is released, and there just might be something exactly like that covering a lot of this released then. ;) It's not an official WotC hardcover, but checking the latest draft from the team I'm working with, it's looking really cool and will hopefully fill this gap for a lot of people.
And if not, I'm sure there will be other writers and other teams writing similar products for the planes, so hopefully there will be something out there eventually to meet everyone's tastes.
The 3.5 edition DMG had a chapter on the Planes that included example locations and rules for extra planner adventures that are easily translated to 5e. Most of the 3.5 and even a lot of 2nd edition lore and rules require only minor tweaks so it's probably a good thing that they're focusing on new lore/content over reprinting what already exists.
issue is you should not need to buy older editions to get this info
@@flameknightdragon at least it's better then forcing people to rebuy the same books in multiple editions because WOTC totally rewrite the rules/history every few years (ala Magic the Gathering and 4th edition). Because there are a ton of books on Planescape already it makes sense to focus mode on updating statblocks so that you can grab any old adventure or sourcebook and run it under 5e - or just fill in the blanks using the free lore on the internet with whatever rules work for your campaign. This is what our DM did for Planescape/Dark Sun/Spelljammer and the old rules are pretty straightforward - healing is stronger in Positive Planes, elemental spells are more powerful in the associated inner planes and abilities like Divine Intervention won't work in Sigil. It's a 'perk' that DND has over Pathfinder that there is 'no wrong way to rule on how the outer planes work in your game so you can make them as complex or simple as you like. Eg I ran Ravenloft with just a PDF of the 2nd edition Domains of Dread book and google and swapped out the old stats for whatever 5e ones worked at the time.
You had manuals with lot of details, lore and setting, but few mechanics in AD&D,. So they should work in 5e.
Excited to have a 5e version, hopefully done better than Spelljammer
It won’t be its only 94 pages it isn’t big enough my advice check out monte cooks planebreaker for 5e
That's not a tall order. Let's see if it's better than 3e
SpellJammer was awesome- if it’s about rules…I’ve ignored 5e rules since it came out.
(Very bland)
I wouldn't hold my breath
It's gonna be Planescape without Planes
Honestly the thing that made Sigil unique in 2e was the kriegstanz, the philosophical cold war between the Factions for control of the city. Sure the Lady of Pain ruled but belief was power and if you could tip the scales anything was possible (shout out to Duke Rowan Darkwood). Will be very interested to see what they do with the factions beyond the planar philosopher background.
I would say they don't want to do the Kriegstanz, at all. No faction limit, make your own faction guide, all that. The core parts of Sigil's political tension are not described. Just do whatever.
@@TenositSergeich Sounds like a missed opportunity. The thing that replaced it discussed in this video also doesn't sound like a proper replacement.
@@AKImeru Well, they already did Ravnica, which is diet Sigil. I feel they want to make them more distinct from each other.
Reminder to play Planescape: Torment (even though it's based on 2nd edition rules)
Absolute timeless masterpiece.
8:00 sounds like a cool plot. You get hired by the governor of an evil-aligned gate town as a private contractor to take out some of the too successful gang leaders and do some good deeds here and there, so that the town doesn't just get subsumed into the plane it is supposed to lead to.
I used to want WOTC to translate all the old content to 5e.
Now I just want them to focus on getting writers that can make decent new stories before breaking old ones.
Planescape is my favorite D&D setting…. So many memories of this incredible setting. Planescape Torment PC game, the paperback novels, the Factols War… and of course the Lady of Pain who is more powerful than the strongest dieities . ❤️🔥🌹 can’t wait to dive into this box set.
After Spelljammer I’m gonna wait for reviews before buying this.
this is the correct move, i was really bummed out by spelljammer
Same, I want to be excited for this, but my expectations have been dropped low
After butchering Spelljammer I hope you guys have learned a lesson in properly caring for us the consumers instead of making a quick buck out of nostalgia. This one is specially important to me as a Planescape campaign was my introduction to DnD back in 3.5. The art looks promising at least.
The problem for Spelljammer was too much was left on the cutting room floor, as evidenced by miniatures for a character not in the adventure (Prince Xavra in the Temple of Light box). This set has more pages but still far less than the 2e original box let alone it’s many expansions, hopefully they did a better job at getting the most important parts kept in, but it will still be too short.
What Spelljammer needs is a supplement like Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft with more character options (Dohwar PCs for example), items, additional ship optional rules and lots more lore (Realmspace system details for example, major factions for another).
However good this will be it’ll still be just the bare bones of the setting, but hopefully they can be convinced to do a sizeable supplement afterwards to get more meat onto those bones.
Nope! Quick buck rules the day. Have you seen the price?
The art is fantastic as always.
Absolutely. DiTerlizzi's art was good in the '90s on a time crunch, and over the past nearly 30 years has gone to godlike. Hoping he has some pieces in the books themselves and not just the alt covers.
The Lady of Pain herself will punish anyone who pronounces "Sigil" with a soft "g" sound.
Lets make this one better than the spelljammer release please? This was the thing I was most excited for this year and I just have a sneaking suspicion it's gonna be a repeat of the last.. The Eberron book was the last really good settings book that was done and its one book was somehow more content filled than the spelljamer 3 book set.
I'm curious, what was it about Spelljammer 5e that was so bad? Was it just too little content, or did they mess it up somehow?
@@kaptenteonot enough explanation of rules was a big thing. For example, tons of talk about ships in space, not enough talk about how ship to ship combat works
@@obsidiansiriusblackheart Gotcha. So lackluster in the rules department. But did they at least not mess up the setting itself?
@@kaptenteo It was pretty threadbare especially compared to the 2e box set released back in the day, which is more disappointing given the price point for Spelljammer that WOTC set upon release at about $70.
I was really hoping for an Eberron type book that just updated the essentials to 5E. Glad I have all the 2E books to rely on. Planescape is by far my favorite campaign setting and one I've continually returned to. Hopefully there will be something useful in these books. For anyone interested in really diving into this setting the Dmsguild is your friend.
4:37 Sigil, like a doughnut, is also not good for your long-term health if you eat it
Interesting fact: The cartoon character reference to a "Wile E. Coyote and the Sheep clocking out for the day" (0:57) is incorrect. That wasn't Wile E. Coyote. It was a character named Ralph Wolf. (named after a Warner Bros visual artist.) He looks like Wile E Coyote but has a red nose and white eyes.
I hope WOTC learned from their mistakes with Spelljammer for their Planescape project, but judging from the 3-book offering for this entry I highly doubt it. Hopefully they will depart from their "rulings not rules" framework for creating D&D content with this release, and give the DM proper tools to run the world provided.
agreed, though they have confirmed the book is longer than spelljammers, i think by 30+ pages, so im sure itll at LEAST be better than spelljammers fiasco
@@daviddoesntsucc I hope so too, but in a way I want it to be more than just better. I wish that we would see a final product comparable to that of 2nd edition Planescape, wherein the book is not only longer, but every page was chock-full of useful information, charts, art, monsters, rules, etc. An additional 30 pages is nice relative to 5e Spelljammer, but only if those pages are utilized properly.
@@imperialwatch1966 oh belive me i wish the same too! And while im way more positive abt this product than the average planescape guy, i aint stupid, 5e will not have NEARLY the same kinda attention as 2e planescape did
I am STUNNED at how many books old planescape had, especially considering 2 of them were DEDICATED to NPC work and such! And considering how rushed the makers of these tend to be bc of shitbags like WOTC and Hasbro, i cannot in good mind expect OR wish for more content than they give
Plus, considering it seems like their future metaplot stuff will deal with planescape quite a bit, im sure there will be SOME kinda addition to it at some point that they already have planned to some degree, maybe to flesh out the vecna nonsense that happened there
@@daviddoesntsucc planescape was in tsr's publishing boom
ravbenloft also has like a half dozen meaty campaign setting books
@@francisxavier8374 yeah, i noticed that about ravenloft too, though that ones a teeny bit more justified imo, because of og ravenlofts inter-connected domains, each having their own unique feel and characters, as well as relationships between neighboring domains; unlike planescape, which is one cosmopolitan and the outer planes
VERY happy with all the books dont get me wrong, makes both settings really fleshed out and absolutely amazing, just as someone who was introduced to dnd with 5e, its surprising to see how many books some settings used to get
I'm hoping for a really good map of Sigil, City of Doors.
They released two maps; one of the “Great Wheel” cosmology & one of Sigil…and, (whistles)…it’s pretty fantastic.
Incredibly dense…but it looks elegant, too.
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Said the right things about gatetowns. Feeling hopeful
Yeah that aspect of them is just a great idea, and intertwined with the whole ethos of alignments and belief shaping reality in Planescape. Shows how well these guys know the lore.
"Eligibility: Any character can become a Merkhant, but he’s got to be able to put together quite a stash before the Misers believe he’s got what it takes to join their sect. Merkhants can’t be of good alignment, since the accumulation of wealth for its own sake is a pretty self-centered activity."
- Planescape Monstrous Compendium Appendix 2
I'll definitely be holding out to ensure they don't screw us like with Spelljammer
Chance would be a fine thing
Is it the same authors who are making this, that made Spelljammer 5e?
Planescape Torment was the best D&D story ever told
🤞Please be better than Spelljammer…. Please be better than Spelljammer 🤞
Thank you for addressing pronunciation in this video.
As an Eberron fan, every time they say stuff like "this is the backstage of *every* D&D setting" or "every setting's gods are here" I die a little inside.
In all seriousness though, Planescape has always seemed like a fun setting and I hope this book is good.
Why do you say that? I love eberron but am probably less knowledgeable
@@tristanmattwig8541 It is explicitly not connected to the rest of the D&D multiverse, it doesn't have the standard D&D planes, and the gods are considered "distant" and may or may not actually exist
@@marimbaguy715 I didn't know this, I thought that all DND settings were different worlds within the multiverse. Thank you for this information!
Planescape is an old school setting tho, ancestor of many themes explored in Eberron
@@marimbaguy715 tbh i'm pretty sure according to 5e the entire Eberron cosmology lies INSIDE the standard great wheel, hidden somewhere in the deep ethereal
God its gonna be fun for DMs to role play the gate towns. I'm imagining the evil chaotic creature who has no choice but to give lollipops to children if he wants to keep his job
I need to know... does this mean Para-Genasi are back, since it's one of the few places they haven't yet gone extinct in following the Spellplague spreading to other worlds?
I play as them a few times with older editions, but with more recent ones I'm kinda tired of relying on Homebrew reconstruction.
What happened to the Glitchling that was presented in the UA last year? Does this mean we won't see it here nor ever? I love them
I wish one of the books had some player options. Class builds, backgrounds, maybe even a few ancestries (races).
There was UA for it last year - but the fun thing about Sigil is it's the 'anything goes' setting - so you can pick your craziest build choices and have the DM go - ah so you're a Gith Celestial Warlock/Cleric of Tiamat who was adopted by a Unicorn and a Dragonborn who owned a coffee shop in Sigil and you have a pet slime called Gillbert.. Yup no issue there.
@ether4211 I'm loving the sound of it already XD
@@finnmchugh99 yup our DM loves Planescape so we've had a few adventures there.. Basically think of the 'Melting pot of New York' with every creature from every part of the multiverse (including Earth!) just trying to make a living or trying to find a portal to escape back to their home plane. It's home to every kind of food, species and the kind of place where you can get anything and everything for a price.
Love the idea. I started a multiplanar homebrew campaign a few months back and look forward to incorporating this into that!
Wife just bought this for me for Christmas. Super excited to run this with the party.
"Backstage" is an apt description. I always pictured it as dense, cluttered, crowded, noisy, and, outside of the main roads, disorientingly convoluted. Picture the haphazard clutter of an overstuffed attic or closet with decades upon decades of miscellaneous oddities piled atop each other, shoved into corners, and overflowing. Now imagine an enclosed, toroidal city where every place that isn't a shop or heavily trafficked thoroughfare has been subject to the same phenomenon for thousands of years, but nothing degrades or disintegrates, and no matter how deeply you venture, you're bound to encounter scavengers picking through veritable skyscrapers of refuse for some rare magical bauble lost to time.
reminds me all good ad&d planescape adventures ....good old dnd times.....feeling nostalgic!!!!
Please please please don’t give this the spelljammer treatment
The Planescape boxset should have contained detailed descriptions and rules for the outer planes, beside Sigil itself and the outlands.
Describing the gate cities, the portals that connect to the outer planes, and not the outer planes they connect to, is baffling to me.
If you need inspiration/resources to build an adventure that will take your players outside of Sigil, to explore one or more outer planes, the planescape boxset is almost useless.
We need to see more videos with these two cats; so happy and full of joy!
I've noticed that stuff I put into my homebrew game setting keeps showing up in official D&D books a few years later.
"Sigil or Sijil"
Dear "senior game developer", there was literally an example in the original PS sourcebook when some clueless been sentenced to death because they pronounced it "Sijil".
Well remembered, it's in black and white in the original 2e booklet. Hard G, no ambiguity there, no controversy. Anyone saying it like a j is objectively wrong.
My Dude. I'll stick with pronouncing it as Seejil.
Anyway. When my pc's ended up in Sigil in my 3.5 campaign, I played the Lady as a being that brings Sigil into being as an act of will. Hence all the Beings and Creatures not messing around and rather indulging in faction wars through agents. So if the Lady is both a constructor and a construction of Sigil, it means Sigil is immune to paradox. So the players were in timey-wimey adventures, meeting themselves, future/past family members etc. I'll take what's interesting from the books and leave the rest.
Lol noob
You need to listen to the CD that comes with the Player's Primer to the Outlands for the official pronunciation of Sigil. Since you guys messed up Spelljammer (by apparently not reading the 2nd edition setting) enough that it now functions as Planescape, I don't have any hopes that this isn't likewise messed up.
Will it have actual content or is it full of “Rulings instead of Rules”?
Will it be the same amount of effort as spelljammer? Never forget. Why does it need to be 3 books? Why not just one? You have the editing right with eberron. Nobody wants 3 tiny 64 page books again. I'm not excited. I'm dissapointed. I'll wait to hear the dissapointed reviews before I make the mistake of buying this on day one like I did with SJ.
Thankfully, the setting book and the adventure are 96 pages this time instead of 64, so they have a little more room to play with. That brings the total page count to 256, which is much better than Spelljammer's 192. I'm with you on waiting for reviews, but I'm slightly less pessimistic than I was when I first heard they were doing the box set format again.
@@marimbaguy715 I still don't understand the boxset format. Erberron had over 300 pages and it was one book all about the world and how to create an interesting game in that world. 96 pages of this is dedicated to an adventure that should have its own separate release and use those pages for more player options and world building. It just seems like a way to trick people into thinking they are getting more than what they realize. Idk, I guess Im just jaded after the Spelljammer release which was a giant nothing sandwich lol.
Please, please, please don't mess this up like you did Spelljammer...
Oh how much I would love to see a new planescape video game
As for pronouncing a city's name, there is a city here in Virginia spelled Norfolk. People from the north and west pronounce it wrong... because the people on TV can't use the correct pronunciation, so people learn the wrong way.
"Planescrape is EVERYTHING. It's ALL OF IT!" Watch this book be just as empty and half-assed as Spelljammer.
4 books with a pamphlets worth of interesting information between them. Can't wait...
Dark Sun 5 ed.!!!❤
That could happen this year or next year... I am not familiar with the setting well so if it was mentioned I apologize if it went over my head 😅
Never gonna happen, and to be honest, with how they've handled the other legacy settings, I don't want them to. I'm looking at 2e Just for some athas.
I'M SO EXCITED I've always loved Planescape and the art is so breathtaking!
I can't really believe that we are FINALLY getting Planescape! Please do not mess this up T-T
Being from Sigel, PA I have always pronounced it like my hometown's name. ❤🎉
I like this, very very much, it seems like it's going to be a great product.
SO...was it me or this would most likely be influenced by video games than the book?
Like people know Planescape from Planescape: Torment than the setting itself.
As far as I know, the game is a lot different than the book according to old players.
Not sure if the player hook will involve "you wake up in a morgue with no memories, a journal, and Yakko Warner's skull".
Respectfully, Justice Arman is fine!
man the way they described just this got me hyped
So they make it sound like an AU fanfic setting.
The "clocking off" stuff and Mindflayer bakery just sounds off.
So a key part of the lore is that Sigil is the center of the entire dnd multiverse and is a place where gods are locked out but the portals open up everywhere! This is why another nickname for Sigil is "The Cage" because once you are in Sigil it's often much harder to find your way back. This is why you get Angels/Devil's hanging out because their gods can't interfere, and it's a city built on refugees/outcasts/rebels and extra planner adventurers as 'all doors eventually lead to Sigil'. It's basically fantasy New York where every creature across the multiverse is either visiting, trying to escape or just make a living. So a Mindflayer bakery makes a lot more sense when you remember that there are a lot of zombies, undeads and monsters who want to be fed...and thus a market to sell your brain pies.
Planescape should be a tv show. An Anthology!
Excited! Planescape is the center of the multiverse and is my personal fav (what am i kidding, i love them all, bring in Greyhawk next!)
To those who are unhappy there is no races or new subclasses, all i can say is this, dont worry. Planescape's strength was the weird possibilities found in the city. You will have a good time here (mostly, just dont walk up and ask the Lady of Pain on a date) and besides, have we already exhausted all the player options already? There is 50+ subclasses now or so, go try those out first.
This is going to be interesting. O am hopeful it will be an awesome setting in 5e
Planescape 5e!
You guys are killing me with pronunciation of sigil. It sounds like this "sidgel" not "sigal"
I’m incredibly excited!
That being said, I know he didn’t just say Wile E Coyote and the sheep…
He did but weren't they called Frank and Ralph?
Ralph E Wolf yeah. But Wile was with roadrunner, why not just say road runner
Just checked the price tag on Amazon. No wonder you didn't mention it!
How will this setting function if they have removed alignment from the game? Sincere question.
Alignment hasn’t been removed. It’s only that monsters don’t HAVE TO be a specific alignment.
@@cassmi8783 Okay, good. I think BG3 has misled me. Thanks for the clarification.
I never thought Planescape was that great a setting. I prefer a grittier medieval based setting like Greyhawk.
I think I remember one of the original devs confessing he mispronounced Sigil in a few interviews and the mispronunciation has just persisted.
This setting itself idk if its for me but that everything everywhere all at once idea for character death is one of the best ideas I've ever heard.
True, players love to make 3+ character sheets and have no attachments to the characters because they are all disposable stat husks with no stakes of death or consequences...
Interesting, kind of a missed opportunity to add a few of the more wacky player races but still interesting.
This seemed like the second best place to do Gnome Squidlings as a playable race, but it doesn't look like we're getting them.
I think the death part is ok. This is not a setting of dread but a setting for solving a problem. If you die 100x doesnt necessarily mean youre any closer to finishing the game.
A dm can kill you and set the party back.
This might be their first attempt on a rogue like
Sigil always fascinated me but this video makes it sound dumb
My 2 cents on pronouncing the name is that Sigil (like the symbol) sounds more mysterious, more epic. Sigil (how WotC says it) is just too close to wiggle, giggle, etc. it’s just too funny of a sound to be the name of such an epic place
I wonder if vecna will be in the module OR a module next year in this setting (based on an article i read)
He has been name-dropped as a major antagonist for one of the upcoming releases…either for Planescape (where he already has some history, attempting to usurp The Lady of Pain); or in the “Book of Many Things”(?).
@@MisterSmith00 I think Vecna's adventure is neither of these. Book of Many Things it's a theme book, like Fizban's with dragons or Bigbi's with Giants, this one will expand the Deck of Many Things lore. And the Planescape adventure (described in this video) doesn't sound like it's related to Vecna
The vecna adventure (first book of 2024) is supposed to be foreshadowed with this book, its supposed to be a lead in i think, so i assume its a longer planescape adventure or something
@@justindobski625 Ah! Yes, that was where I heard Vecna mentioned, thank you!
So not in the currently known lineup...but soon...
No bariaur was harmed in making of this video (they forgot about them)
I have to find the page in the original box set, but it clearly shows that it's pronounced s-eye-gull, Berk.
shame there seems to be no race or subclass options. sure the rogue modron thing i dont thank anyone was looking for but planescape is so wild that its a missed opportunity for some really creative and out their race options. plus having some plane touched subclasses at the very least a couple for sorcerer would have fit lovely. missed opportunity. oh well better do the setting better or 5e before there 50th ani is going to end on a pretty soured note
I get the reasoning, but it is WEIRD.
You have all of an infinite multiverse, every reality, every possibility... and every single tine they use the same example of an angel meeting a devil at a bar. An idea that is decades old, and that they refernced at least three times.
Infinite.
Possibility.
And the original books point out that that whole idea is complete bull too, as most celestials and fiends aren't EVER going to hang out. You're more likely to see them trying to choke each other out in Sigil than sharing a drink. xD
They seem to have turned Sigil into D&D Coruscant and I honestly don't know how to feel about it yet.
Hasn't it always been that way? I have the 2E box set, and it seems to have been this way from the start. Though it's been a long while since I've read it. I need to read it again.
@@MichaelKerr71 Not really, no. Sigil did have multilayer structure, but buried layers were mostly abandoned.
I would pay a enormous amount of money to play a game based on planescape made by larian with every race available since it’s the only setting where every race gathers gosh it would make me so broke
Remember there marketing for Spelljammer versus what we got? Hasbro greed continues
I hope they touch on WHY Sigil has such a wide range of characters and ideas. It's the melting pot of reality and true neutrality.
So unoriginal but, I cannot wait to get this! 😊
It's pronounced Sigil!
I'm big fan of dnd
I just found this. Is this very different from AD&D Planescape? Yes Im that old
This is cool but are you guys going to connect the worlds of D&D and the Magic the Gathering planes? WotC has said both games are part of the same multiverse but you haven’t explained how that works. Are we going to see planeswalkers in D&D? Will Magic the Gathering villains like the Phyrexians going to appear in D&D?
@@Michael-fd1gx I thought Wizards said they were connected. If they are separate why are there D&D books for some of the Magic the Gathering planes? If they aren’t connected, that is a missed opportunity :(
@@Michael-fd1gx thank you. then I really don’t have any desire to buy any more D&D products :)
Can't wait!!
This setting gives me a Discworld vibe but thats just me
Imagine Ankh Morpork if the city never ended and the wizards were left in charge of planning regulations ...that's Sigil!
this is not planescape this is cash grab on the name
take a shot whenever someone says "backstage"....I dare you
no, whenever someone talks about angels and devils hanging around together lmao
let's do a moratorium on bakeries for like ten years in TTRPGS
Are there new races for this book? If not that’s a massive downer!
Here's hoping.
I thought they learned their lesson with Spelljammer....
Well, today I learned that i have pronounced Sigil wrong for all my life
You will buy it anyway
I just wish the guys who created this particular books were a little bit smarter, or more knowledgeable in general terms. The books are good, but this could have been great. Most of the heavy lifting still needs to be done by DMs.
This looks like an amazing setting. It’s almost as if it is the soul of dnd in one place, reminds me of the book Ready Player One but dnd. Can’t wait to video game inside this world besides all the fun table top adventures. (If an immersive video game of pls escape ever comes out )
Bruh....
I always understand "Gaytown" and love it.
Sigil will always be a soft 'g' for me. Otherwise sounds great!
I will never ever ever pronounce Sigil incorrectly as they do the entire video.
You are the one who is wrong. From the days of 2e d&d when the original planescape boxed set, it was hard G. I have it in front of me in black and white.
Is it Sigil or Sigil?
This adventure sounds amazing