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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- Thanks to Grant at trekbbs.com for the original audio clip and YT channel deLimited Productions for making me aware of it. I have re-edited the shuttlecraft scene so the musical score by Horner fits better with the dialog and trimmed a bit of the re-used scenes from Motion Picture.
I had difficulty lining up the score by simply replacing the dialog with the cut away shot--the dialog was longer than the shot. Using some loops over existing parts of the soundtrack and lowering the crescendo cue, it flows a bit better.
The cut back to the Enterprise during Sulu's lines have been replaced with movie stills that pause and continue at the right moment. It isn't perfect, but a possible idea of how the scene might have played out.
Always noticed how they cut that scene as Sulu was still speaking. I was alway wondering what these cut lines were. Thanks for posting!
Yeah, me too. It's always been puzzling why it got clipped off so quickly and so obviously.
Takei made it sound like that line was never filmed because Shatner purposefully botched it up each time. So hearing this definitely is a pleasant surprise.
Yeah, I think Takei, and Koenig often overstate what Shatner did. He wasn't nearly the asshole they make him out to be.
The reason this was cut down is because it has absolutely nothing to do with the story, the theme, anything else. It's nice fill in for Sulu, but it doesn't really add anything to the film that other scenes don't already establish (that everyone is getting older, moving on, things are changing.) I understand fully why Nick Meyer had it cut.
@@OpenMawProductions This is the difference in storytelling between film and novel and maybe even television--the "room" to build character and not be slavish to story and plot movement. With material like Star Trek and other franchises, the fans would make room for these moments because they can read the story quicker and they want these moments for the emotional value they bring beyond the story.
@@TheJetstream10 Indeed, there's generally just not the time in a film to give side characters extended focus. The four under the big three on Star Trek don't get a lot to do in the classic movies, but that is also exactly what you DON'T want to do as a writer... "We need to give them something to do." No, that's garbage thinking and leads to digressions in the film that ultimately waste time.
It does open up the idea of going back to the small screen, remaking the original Star Trek, but including all those little character moments.
Wow. I knew it was in the novelization but I never knew about this! Man, 30-some years later and I am still learning something new about this movie!
@@OpenMawProductions Takaei gives Shatner a lot of crap (& during TOS it may have been justified, even though Shatner was deemed by Roddenberry as the STAR & the others, besides Spock, would never get to be the lead of any storyline),but to be Fair, when writing & directing Star Trek V, Shatner had no obligation, story-wise & pace-wise, to include the "Chekov & Sulu lost in the forest" scene other than to give the 2 actors "something to do" or a "moment" to "shine".
Writing 101 with Chekovs gun - these early scenes could have set up the character's later betraying Kirk or alternate actions later but was nonessential wasteful fluff instead, but alas, we get those scenes + Sulu, Chekov, & Uhura turning on their decades-long friend & captain when a flim-flam religious zealot just shows up on the ship after a few seconds. SMH
Um, the dialogue was just fine. Not sure what Takei was talking about when he said Shatner screwed it up on purpose just to spite him so Myers had to cut it. I swear Takei is just full of delusional hatred for Shatner no matter what.
I see why they cut that line. It was too chatty and slowed down the momentum of the scene. They're on their way to the Enterprise, the shuttle pod docks, they board, end of scene.
It's why don't care much for modern writer-directors. They can't trim down their chatty dialog. Yes, I'm looking at you Mr. Nolan.
The novelization did mention that sulu was planning on getting promoted to captain and the events of genesis in search for spock derailed those plans
Movies allowed for very little character development. That said, promotions of the "secondary" characters to command-level pranks and positions would have added to the believability of the stories.
Poor Pavel. He briefly got to be a first officer, then was stuck as a navigator for the rest of his career.
Dang, I wished they had left that in! Congrats Sulu 😊
My lifelong search for this missing line is complete. Thank you so much.
It's interesting that this idea wasn't even revisited when the Excelsior was finally seen in The Search for Spock. I know the policy has always been that if it something is not specifically stated on screen, then it isn't canon, but just given that Sulu did eventually command the Excelsior in The Undiscovered Country, restoring this line dialogue wouldn't hurt anything.
it's outside the pulse of the movie imo. superfluous
Nice work. Thank you for making this. Perhaps we’ll get this scene and the scenes with Khan’s child in a future restoration/directors/anniversary edition.
It's in my canon now! Also in my head-canon, Sulu was quietly removed from the Excelsior roster after the events of TSFS (makes sense, he mutinied after Starfleet). But, fate had it that he WOULD take command of the Excelsior eventually.
Even though Kirk was the only one formally punished for the mutiny (stripped of his Admiral rank and demoted to Captain), I always wondered whether the other crew members were punished too, at least informally. Sulu getting his promotion overlooked for taking part in the mutiny does make sense.
Though it's interesting how Kirk in TWOK says Sulu was only going to be at the helm for three weeks, but by the start of TSFS, Sulu is still serving as helmsman aboard the Enterprise. I feel as though there was a time gap much longer than three weeks between the events of TWOK and TSFS. The incident with Khan and the Genesis controversy must have caused enough of a shakeup within Starfleet that Sulu's promotion was delayed even earlier than the Enterprise mutiny.
@@Felamine Well, the Genesis incident could be seen as the Cuban Missile Crisis of its time. Things got to be hairy for a while, and as said, Sulu and his promotion must've gotten a delay because of that.
wonderful.... thanks for this!!!
Nicely done!
That would have made more sense if they would have kept that in the movie.
The big question to me is whether if the line had made it in Takei would have been written out in the sequels. Although the idea of him being the one chasing down the Enterprise in ST3 jas some appeal.
Given what happened in Star Trek III and IV, I could totally see Sulu giving up on his own command to help his friends. The question I have is what would have happened after The Voyage Home? If the crew had been reinstated, would Sulu's Excelsior command have come then?
When WOK was being filmed, it was planned to be the final Star Trek film since Leonard Nimoy (at the time) didn't want to do them anymore. I think they were writing in various "outs" in case Paramount wanted to do anything with the franchise in the future.
They’d probably find a way to get him in like they did with Worf.
Awesome work.
Excellent
Was there ever any video of that scene anywhere?
Imagine if Sulu DID commmd the Excelsior after the WoK battle only to help kirk by using the Excelsior instead, taking it to Genesis and kicking The klingons ass. 😉
I thought Shatner didn't want him to say it is why it got cut?
cool youtube vid but i'm glad this did not make the cut