London Underground-D Stock East London Line 1987
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- An Underground vid from 1987. See 3 car D Stock's at work on the East London Line. They replaced the A60s in order to give the Met line a float of trains for the OPO conversion of the A Stock. When all was finished in 1987 the A60s came back and the D's went back to the District. Also seen are odd shots of them at East Ham and alongside unrefurbished 73 Stock at Chiswick Park-Acton Town. If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
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The days when almost everybody could afford to live in east london :D
As I mention above, I used to rent a flat in the tower block at 3:52, and only paid £37 a week - not bad for a flat with a view of Tower Bridge. Still, back in the early 1980s nobody wanted to live in Council tower blocks and they were treated as 'hard to let', so pretty much anybody could get one if they were prepared to live there.
I think all of London was affordable back then and it's just the way property prices and cost of living have gone up so much people are priced out of London
The Hammersmith to Barking part of the Metropolitan line, now the Hammersmith and City line since 1990.
Remember going to get the A stock pre OPO, and got these instead. At the time I was pretty annoyed, as I missed them. But this footage is pure gold. Thanks for sharing.
The line did get A Stock pre OPO, they arrived in 1977 to replace 38 Stock. The D's were put on there temorary so LT had a pool of A Stock's for OPO conversion. When the a's were all converted they came back to the ELL and the D's returned to the District which by then had a service increase again so needed them.
What awesome rare footage! 😀
Service reductions on the District line, allowed some 3 car D Stock to help out on the East London line for a short while whilst the A Stock was away for one person operation conversion works.
After the A Stock returned from conversion works, the D Stock went back to the District line.
I think the D Stock was only going to be a temporary measure, hence i went out to film them on there!
The thing I like the most about the east london line as part of the underground is the fact that it always used whatever stock was available from other lines. This made the stock continously change every few years and would have made the line most exciting to ride on simply because of the attractiveness of all the old tube trains. A real shame I was too young to ever experience riding on the line as it was...
I remember the 1938 tube stock down there in the mid 70s.... they had signs on the doors saying "Step up to get out/Step down to get in".......
Well well well, I've been around for years and never knew the D Stock appeared on the ELL.
Nice one. Thanks.
There were there for nearly 2 years..... It allowed a float of A Stock trains for OPO conversion without reducing the Met Main service.....
I'm guessing it was quiet on the District line and service cuts allowed spare D Stock to help on the East London line whilst the A Stock went for one person operation conversion works?
Interesting to see this time period of when this stock was on the East London line.. also the name Surrey Docks would be changed soon after this video was taken!
Much like St Pancras it’s still hard to look at the east London line then and then compare it to now. I mean back in the 80s and 90s the east London line was essentially an underused underground line whereas now it is a highly used chunk of the London overground.
A nice quirky little line. The Underground had a lot of odd bits of line to go and explore but over time they have either shut or been brought in to mainstream use (think Chesham).
3:52 I can see the flat I used to live in back in 1986. Awesome. I used to use this line all the time and it is exactly how I remember it.
I aim to please! I will in the future upload some A60s in service on this line so you might see it again.
Epic footage, more London underground!!
I will get some more up, i promise!
Fantastic footage. Thanks for the upload
My pleasure....sadly this was the only time i filmed D Stock down there......
That's the very first D78 Stock in service at 1:37! The more you know!
Yeah, i knew the D Stock started off with the double can units being delivered first unlike the Picc where the double cabs were the last to be delivered.
And they'll be back in this configuration again when they'll be Class 230s
I shall go out and chase them all over again!
This line had some interesting stock operating on it over the years - G Stock, F Stock (imagine footage of that), and of course the spell in the mid 1970s with the 1938 Tube Stock.
I remember the 38s as a child. They had stickers on the doors which read 'Step up to get out' & reverse was 'Step down to get in'....quite a large step as well! And they had their own line diagram inside the cars just showing the East London Line, i have one somewhere.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I remember that big step down/up when using the High Barnet branch on the Northern Line, before they lowered the platforms on the former LNER stations. East Finchley & Finchley Central were lowered during the New Works Programme, but all the others on the branch were left as they were and didn't get done until the mid-90's! Really nice bit of nostalgia having that line diagram! The East London Line (or "section" as referred to on the diagrams back then) was dubbed as LT's "poor relation", the line was quite tatty in those days but had bags of character! Cheers Soi for your continued goldmine of footage, it really is appreciated.
@@Barison82 My pleasure.....lots more to come from the goody bag of history.....lol
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus That's great news Soi, looking forward to it lol!
Great footage and hope to see more unseen footage and maybe some footage of Primrose Hill station.
Sadly, i never got Primrose Hill station on film.
Superb footage 👌🏾 Have you got footage of the old Willesden Junction Station/Primrose Hill stations. Also have you got any footage of Metrobuses/Dennis Darts?
No Primrose Hill, some shots of Willesden Junc HL are already uploaded to You-tube. I have some bus shots showing the old WJ Stn, Routemasters on the 12 and in later years i think Metrobuses. I do have a fair bit of Metros mainly in the late 1990s but no Darts. Darts were a nice bus to drive but i never got round to doing any video.
Remember their short stint well
So sad that the S7 stock was not able to operate on the East London Line.
Transferred to London Overground by then. And of course LU don't want a short formed sets which is why Chesham is no longer a shuttle service.
best that the ELL went to London Overground - it was the only way you could have got the line extended
Yeah, maybe if TFL couldn't afford the extension, they would have added a few S4 stocks to the existing S7/S8 order, that could have later converted to longer trains if they could have later afforded the east London line extension and conversion.
@@danwoodhouse9290 Not entirely, I would suspect it would have been physically possible to convert certain tracks south from New Cross Gate so tube trains could operate. However, that would have been more disruptive probably to existing national rail services.
thank you so much for this mate I did not know d stocks wre on this line. +1 sub for you
Thank you..... They were here for just under 2 years, mainly to create a pool of A60 stock so the whole fleet could be converted to OPO. Once they were, they came back until the line shut for conversion to Overground. The D Stock of course, went back to the District as the service levels increased again......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Thanks got the information im quite young so my history knowledge on the underground isn’t great to be honest. But Thanks
A QUICK (if you call it "quick"!) QUESTION ABOUT OPO
what was the procedures for going OPO?
what i mean is that because it was impossible to convert all of one type of train to OPO overnight you would have had a mix of converted and unconverted trains running together
Or in other words what would happen when a driver and guard turned up to take a train out and found it was a train already converted to OPO? - would the guard just go home or ride with the driver?
A quick question but a long answer! Some stock was built for OPO and other stock converted for it, and some were deemed to old to spend the money (think 59 & 62 stock). The first purpose built stock was the 67 stock for the Vic which was slightly different as it was ATO (automatic train operation) so there was no deadmans handle and the trains drove themselves in normal service. The C, 73, D and 83 stock were built with OPO in mind but were kitted out to work with a guard. When OPO came to the lines with this stock there was a minimal amount of work needed to modify the trains. The big OPO rebuilds were the A60s and the 72 MkII's. The A stock was the largest stock ever made for the Underground and had various restrictions on use off the Met line and indeed when travelling on BR lines to & from refurbishment in the 1990s (i have hauled them behind 37s to & from Neasden), so had room for OPO equipment to be fitted. The 72 MkII's had been built with ATO in mind for the Jubilee so were part way there but in the end conventional OPO was decided upon and they had a dogs dinner style OPO conversion. OPO 72's and non OPO 72's ran side by side to begin with, the guard working the doors from the rear cab, the driver just driving from the front. When the gurads were replaced the driver just put the guards key in at the front and did it all from there. As the 72's wre sent off the Jubilee to the Bakerloo they went back to crew operatio until the Bakerloo had all their 72's conveted to OPO and the platform equipment installed at all stations when agfain the driver put all keys in at the front and off they went. The 92's & 96 stock were built as OPO only (as was the Jubilee stock but the line was already OPO) and had to work alongside crew operated trains they were replacing. I believe to begin with the new stock was on set workings each day but chaos & cock-ups would soon reform the service, and later on as more new trains arrived it got harder to have set workings each day. So yes a crew would go out for a train and find it was a new one so the guard would just ride with the driver. If the train on their second half of duty was also a new one it was possible (more than likely!) the guard sloped off home!!! Eventually all old stock would be replaced and the last crew train would run. Indeed i was on the last 59 & so last crew operated train on the Underground back in 2000 and so ended an era and grade. Bit like the 1920s when air worked doors by the guard got rid of up to 5 or so gatemen who opened & closed the end car doors manually! Such is progress..........
Did you work on the underground because that is the only way to gain track access?+
I have worked on the Underground in the past. There may be more unusual shots to upload in the future!
I just noticed that clip at East Ham at 10:37 the driver was pulling over to talk to you.
I don’t know if these trains ran on the ELL or not, but the footage from East Ham shows District Line, east and westbound services.
Yes, but some also ran on the East London for a couple of years.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I only ever saw these whilst growing up, on the district line, particularly the 4 stations from West Ham to Barking, these were the neighbourhoods I moved around in, living next to the district line as a child, you would hear and see those distinctive district line trains all the time, never knew they ran on any other line back then.
For the most part, they almost exclusively operated on the district line. However, while the A stock was away for refurbishment, some D stocks were temporary moved to the East London line in 1985 for two years, until the A stock returned in 1987
@@Cowman9791 I didn’t know that, however, I was only aged 8-10 between 1985-7 lol
Fantastic video mate
Thanks you. There will be more in the future.
The A Stock went for OPO works and so the D Stock helped on the ELL for sometime as they were compatible to operate on it and they were not needed on the District much?
There had been service reductions so the District was able to spare three 6 car trains to go to the ELL. There were regular stock moves from New Cross to Ealing Common while they were there. When the A60s returned the stock was then maintained at Neasden again.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus would the C69/77s have been compatible on the East London line as well?
I assume they used C stock trains on the district.
The C Stock only worked on the Edgware Road to Wimbledon service of the District, and occasionally the Olympia to Kensington High Street shuttle. The main service was always D Stock after March 1983. Due to service cuts in the early 1980s there were spare D Stocks to go to the East London Line to allow the A60 Stock to be OPO converted.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Did a C stock train ever run on the east London line?
@@QuarioQuario54321 one must have done for that cab ride video that the museum had for many years
@@QuarioQuario54321 Maybe under some limited circumstances or testing purposes (perhaps to test whether to use C stock or D stock during the A stocks absence), but they never operated any regular services.
would'nt anybody love to explore the LTS/C2C platforms at East Ham, jut see what relics are there
Fantastic! Although I wonder, which is longer, 4 car A Stock or 3 car D Stock
A 6 car D Stock was equal to a 7 car R or CO/CP stock train. I believe A Stock cars were approx same length as R Stock, so a 4 car A Stock is slightly longer than a 3 car D!
Ah. That sounds about right. The D Stock looked really nice before it's refurbishment, even when it had a few minor graffiti scars. I also remember seeing one without it's red front, so maybe that was some vandalism? And I recall a 4 car 62TS with a red front! Anyways, Keep up the great content Soi! I'd like to see some of the 1983TS, or is it a bit of a stretch to ask if you have any Class 373 footage?
Is the link at Whitechapel where the two lines are connected for stock movements ?
The link to the ELL is now removed. The tunnels are still there though.
its a case of WAS rather than IS now
In fact if you look hard enough you can see that the old East London Line link tunnel has had some sort of metal grill placed over it
The link that connects the East London line (before Overground) and the District and Hammersmith and City lines at Whitechapel is no longer there but the tunnel still exists
@@danwoodhouse9290 Probably has some sort of equipment in it now or a store for p/way materials ect maybe?
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I once saw the tunnel on the District line and the lights were on. I told my dad and he said that the tunnel is probably used for storage.
This must be fairly late part of the year as there is a Network SE painted train and that branding was only launched in June. What was that 1938 stock car doing there? They were on the Northern Line during their final 2 years from 86-88
Well spotted re the date, it was indeed 1987 i filmed this. I heard the D Stock was due to leave the East London Line later in the year so went out to film them. The 38 stock at the end of the vid is at the end of most of my old film uploads, the departing shot is there to upload the end cards over so as to not ruin the last 20 seconds of the upload.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus No worries. It's great footage of a London that doesn't exist any more. Funny seeing D stock on the ELL.
@@davidbull7210 The only time it happened in regular passenger service. The only other time i know of they carried passengers on a 3 car unit was at the 1990 Upminster Open Day, see it here th-cam.com/video/PjwJt42hj-Q/w-d-xo.html, enjoy!
I didn't know d78 used for East London line
They did, just for a couple of years while the A60s were undergoing OPO conversion. Once that was completed the A Stock returned and the D Stock went back to the District to increase the service level on there.
2 years from 1985-1987 they ran on it.
@@MetroTitanD78 .
@Leonard Ssenkindu things were a lot more quieter back in the 80s in many parts of the city.
Nice so at this time District line service was quiet and this sent spare 3 car formation D Stock to operate on the East London line to allow A Stock to go for one person operation conversion works.
They then went back to the District line to boost services when the A Stock returned.
Surrey Docks, now Surrey Quays
I did the D stock on the ELL about this time.
The first stock i saw down there was the 38 tube stock which worked from about 1974 to 1977 when the A60s took over.
What year did the d stock first come out on the district line
January 1980. The last ones arrived by March 1983 at the time the last R Stock was withdrawn.
Seem these trains are very strange District line stock, isn't, hm??? But why these District line use the East London train it is?
Due to service cuts there were spare trains of D Stock. In order to convert the A60 Stock to OPO, the A60s on the ELL were used as a pool to take trains out of service for conversion, and the spare D Stocks filled the gap. They were only on there for around 2 years until the A60s came back.
I didn't know D stocks ran on the ELL before the A stocks
The District had spare trains at that time and some A stock were needed to create a pool for OPO conversion so the D's were used for a couple of years.
The A stock ran on the line from I think 1977-1985 then from 1987 til the line closed and became part of the Overground.
Didn't the A stocks later replace them on the ELL?
Yes, the D Stock was only on the ELL as a temporary measure. It allowed the line to go OPO (in early 1985) and later on the A Stock that had been on the line since 1977 (when they replaced 38 tube stock) to create a float of trains for OPO conversion so as to convert the Met Main to OPO. By the time i vodeod this the D's were due to finish as the District line was having a service increase and needed them back so OPO converted A stock was sent to replace them which stayed until the closure of the line to convert to National Rail services.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus ahh right. Thanks alot really appreciate the explanation. RIP A, D stocks and the ELL
7:45 reversable car diagrams - that didnt last
I recall those on the Bakerloo were aligned with the direction of travel although other lines like the Central just had them printed one way only, the same way as looking at a tube map (ie Ealing to the left).
I like the fact that trains were made up of only 3 cars
Always loved the sounds of the compressors (especially the older ones) and the MA sets running.
Some of the A60 compressors were really loud...mind you some of the 59 stock ones tended to be a bit high pitched as well.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus My favourites were the old Westinghouse compressors. They had a real slow plod, plod sort of rhythm to them.