Fantastic discussion! I knew I had to make it out to this one. I’m glad you got so much out of this series and let us all in on your journey, turning it into great communal events, such as these streams. I would love to hear you possibly do a discussion about Tavore since I know you have a lot more thoughts and feelings on her that you couldn’t really focus on since there was so much to talk about already. However much or little Malazan discussion you do though, through these streams I have become a fan of yours, not just your positive feelings on the series, so I look forward to any discussions you do regardless, like your chatting with nutts, cause I think they are a great communal space. Thank you and have a good night!
Jimmy, thank you for inviting me and letting me join in this great discussion. It was a lot of fun to talk with you all. And now I get to watch the whole start of the conversation that I missed.
You get the best of both worlds! Haha but sincerely, thank you so much for being there. I always love our conversations and you're such a valuable voice in our community. Proud to know you
For me the last scene between fiddler and the young man it's a eco of the scene between Whiskyjack and Paran. Paran wants to be a great warrior and a name in the recognize, and Whiskeyjack basically said to him to try to live not to bring the attention of the gods. On the other hand, for a moment it seems fiddler will give the same advice to the young man, but instead he said to him that the world always needs more soldier, for me that phrase it's the way fiddler recognize the worth of all they did, and that he doesn't regret his journey. History it's written thanks to the sacrifice of the unwitnessed and the fallen.
Another amazing discussion from all my favorite Ascendants! The reveal of Tavore's necklace was one of the most ballsy things I've ever read. It's obvious that she must have been a Talon this whole time, but the subtle way that's revealed is something a lot of readers can (and sadly have) missed on their read of TCG, when it's a singular answer to at least half a dozen questions I had going into the final book. That knowledge has made my current reread as intriguing as the knowledge of Kaminsod's narration. Thanks again to all of you for 3 hours of great reflection :)
Such a great discussion everyone! caught some of this live. I don't know that I realized it at the time but reading these books changed me as a person in ways no other fantasy book has even approached and the re-read as everyone has said cemented that. I'd love to see as many Malazan videos as you want to put out Jimmy. Such a joy to see you all have similar journeys. Learning to truly consider the world from other's shoes with a lens of compassion and that compassion isn't just a feeling but must be an action. I also think that in talking with and listening to others about the books helps drive the lessons home.
Duuuude this video is an all-timer. Very fitting. Your HoC discussion is what got me to join the patreon in the first place and these only got better and better. Appreciate you, brother
The crystal City is the construct of Icarium.... Who built it to make him remember everything he had forgotten.. Because it is in a way, a record house of what has happened (how, not sure). When the snake goes through it, that kid touches the crystals, and get the information the same way icarium was supposed to.
I feel like this wasn’t mentioned in the video but Karsa’s arc and getting to the scene with the dying old man under a canvas brought me to tears: “It wasn’t too much, to take a frail figure into one’s arms for those last moments of life. Better than a cot, or even a bed in a room filled with loved ones. Better, too, than an empty street in the cold rain. To die in someone’s arms - could there be anything more forgiving? Every savage barbarian in the world knew the truth of this.?”
I honestly really love the idea of Kaminsod being from our world. After all, much like him, we too were brought into this story. As Kaminsod said, "...we open the old book." Note how he states "We" and then tells us, "Listen then to these words carried on [my] breath." If we do not read and bear witness to his words, then he can not share what he has written. And if we are a part of it, then he must be in our world. And he in fact does exist in our world (well, two "he-s" anyway) which feeds right into Philip's theory of Kam-in-Sod being in fact, Cam-and-Steve. Both of whom are in fact real, and bless Hood's balls for that.
Brilliant!! Again I never cease to learn something new or gain a clearer insight into these brilliant books from listening to these conversations. I’m done with the ten and am frankly feeling a little lost. I was reading the last chapter stranded in an airport last night and literally had to get up several times to seek some privacy because I was so overcome with emotion. Some much about this book that I love and it is certainly now my favorite. Thank you friends for letting me “walk” with you all.
OMG, Jimmy, what an excellent way to end the discussion! I'm happy to know that you'll continue to explore the Malazan world. I would recommend reading Esslemont's Novels of the Malazan Empire series at some point. It's quite good and exactly how Philip described it. Thank you to everyone for the discussion and helping to build the Malazan world for all!
I finished The Crippled God last night and I just finished watching this discussion. I loved it so much. This series is honestly incredible, and I'm very glad to have read it. But also, I'm really grateful that you guys have discussed this series at such length. I *REALLY* appreciate it, and all the discussions brought a lot more to the books than I could have gotten out for myself. So, thank you to Steven Erikson and Ian Esslemont for writing Malazan, and thank you to Jimmy, Allen, Philip, A.P., Johanna, Andy and all the Malaztubers for your contributions. It greatly enriches the experience and I don't think I could have appreciated the books nearly enough without you guys
I was told going in Erikson stuck to landing, he absolutely did, but I was not prepared for how emotionally powerful that ending would hit with me. Only finished it an hour ago so I'll get more passionate as goes.
What a fantastic discussion. I listened to it throughout the day as I took on multiple mundane tasks... Laundry, paperwork, dishes. It was insightful and funny and really made my otherwise fairly boring Saturday quite enjoyable.
@@thefantasynuttwork wish I did it in time to watch this live but that’s okay. Not sure if you cover it here but something else that really stood out to me was the crippled God saying he would write “the Book of the Fallen”. Idk how literal I was supposed to take that in regards to the meta narrative of the series. Seems like an AP question haha
Amazing line up of guests, I'm so looking forward to when I finish TCG and can watch this 😀 love all your discussion videos, that's some of my favourite content on booktube!
After 3 years I finally finish the main 10, I been eager to watch this discussion and after hearing all of you discussing this book and all the ecos I just want to start rereading the series.
Very fun. Now you get to spend a lot of time watching all kinds of spoiler vids. AP does have one just on the opening scene with the weather vane. For me the reread wad a completely different experience. A lot of foreshadowing is more obvious, the epigraphs make more sense and you aren't as focused on the lasers and fireballs. It is the quiet places in between that really stood out for me. For example, since I knew the end of the Chain of Dogs already, Squint became much more impactful. I am curious after all of these discussions and observations, how it might change how you read GRRM now that you get a glimpse behind the author's curtain and looking at the writing.
I've been reading ASOIAF as I go through Malazan and it's been so great. I think it's actually enhanced my enjoyment of that series and I'm confident it has changed the way I'll read books in the future.
Just like to say thank you, I finished the main 10 the other day and since Iskar Jarak’s chapter reviews ended this has been my main source of creating a more fleshed out understanding of each book so cheers, appreciate all of you
Ah, I hate missing the live streams, now I have a three hour video to try and watch sometime 😂 Glad you enjoyed Malazan, it's a unique experience to be sure.
I know this is late but I just finished The Crippled God and so can finally watch this discussion. This was marvelous!! I enjoyed every moment and didn't want it to end.
Great discussion everyone. Great discussions throughout really. Well done Jimmy for finishing the book and I can’t believe I somehow still missed the live stream😭😂 so much for al that hurry to catch up lol. But yeah this was fun hoping to see more Malazan videos so I wanted to ask who rhythmer was. I’ve been trying to find her yt to no avail
2:28:00-ish - Tavore did try to kill Ganoes! She swings as she hears him approaching. He catches her wrist. My takeaway wasn't that she didn't have the fight left in her; it was actually the difference between Ganoes and Felisin that gave us this alternate outcome. Felisin, an innocent youth (I'll fight people on that xD), didn't even expect that she needed to defend herself, and so Tavore's strike caught her completely unaware, and killed her. Ganoes has been through hell and back, fighting in battles and wars, etc. He catches Tavore's hand. Because he knows the world, and knows he needs to expect that. And how perfect is that? In this book, where the innocence of children and the horrifying reality that so many are thrust into because of circumstances beyond their control is made front and center. The mirror of these two encounters was, for me, the most heartbreaking thing about the entire series. I cried and cried and cried. It was amazing. Thanks for this chat! I know I'm way late to the party here, but I just finished TCG this morning, and I've been watching these discussions with each book as I've finished.
I am doing a 3rd re-read, TotH now, I plan on taking the snake real slow this time through. Every time I have read the snake I feel like I read it looking away, if that makes sense? This time I am going to savor the pain. I appreciate all of the content you guys put out.
Not watching until I read TCG....currently on DoD. Just hoping that Dr Fantasy continues his quest to promote the novels of the malazan empire in this video and bonus points if it annoys Allen in the process :)
Loved the discussion. Thank you all. I think the Fener/Karsa scene was epic, however, I don't understand why Karsa did what he did. Can anyone please explain that?
Speaking of small but hilarious moments I loved the revelation that Jaghut had tended to be solitary because in groups their sense of humour is so lame and annoying, as Roach pisses on Hood's boots LOL.
The Crippled God didn't hit that hard on my first read. I thought it was an ok conclusion, but on my second, third and now I've lost track of retreads, it makes me ugly cry in several places.
I don’t know where else to ask this question except to a ragged and scrappy band of Scholars, Zealots and Fanboys as your esteemed selves: I have found nothing on the topic..and the dude is a Beast, no doubt… …but try to convince me that Karsa is Not a Mary-Sue. Xoxoxo
@@thefantasynuttwork Okokok, Hyperbolic Conservative DoucheTube aside… I kinda struggle to figure out Anything Karsa ever actually struggled with other than philosophically (Or eventually getting into that scientist lady’s pant cuz she was finally exhausted at the effort of saying No constantly) Karsa Hold My Beer Orlong
If I walk away from this discussion y’all had with any individual Truth Nugget, …it’s hands down Allen’s “Schrödinger’s Douchebaggery” 😂😂😂😂 -FYI I’m mid-process of switching accounts and streamlining stuff. My new handle is Telorast&Curdle with my email being SorryNotApsalar. Sorry, not Sorry about Apsalar being Not Apsalar. (See what I did there? I’m pretty sure I Can’t untangle the pretzel I just made of my brain.)
Fantastic discussion! I knew I had to make it out to this one. I’m glad you got so much out of this series and let us all in on your journey, turning it into great communal events, such as these streams. I would love to hear you possibly do a discussion about Tavore since I know you have a lot more thoughts and feelings on her that you couldn’t really focus on since there was so much to talk about already. However much or little Malazan discussion you do though, through these streams I have become a fan of yours, not just your positive feelings on the series, so I look forward to any discussions you do regardless, like your chatting with nutts, cause I think they are a great communal space. Thank you and have a good night!
Thank you so much, I think a chat about Tavore is a fantastic idea!
Crokus & Apsalar's reunion was sweet
Jimmy, thank you for inviting me and letting me join in this great discussion. It was a lot of fun to talk with you all. And now I get to watch the whole start of the conversation that I missed.
You get the best of both worlds! Haha but sincerely, thank you so much for being there. I always love our conversations and you're such a valuable voice in our community. Proud to know you
For me the last scene between fiddler and the young man it's a eco of the scene between Whiskyjack and Paran.
Paran wants to be a great warrior and a name in the recognize, and Whiskeyjack basically said to him to try to live not to bring the attention of the gods. On the other hand, for a moment it seems fiddler will give the same advice to the young man, but instead he said to him that the world always needs more soldier, for me that phrase it's the way fiddler recognize the worth of all they did, and that he doesn't regret his journey. History it's written thanks to the sacrifice of the unwitnessed and the fallen.
I like that
2:28:40 I mean Tavore tried but Ganoes stopped her and showed and said who he is
2:44:00 Kallor absolutely stole the scene, like he always does, when we got that flashback with the Liosan.
Yessss
Another amazing discussion from all my favorite Ascendants!
The reveal of Tavore's necklace was one of the most ballsy things I've ever read. It's obvious that she must have been a Talon this whole time, but the subtle way that's revealed is something a lot of readers can (and sadly have) missed on their read of TCG, when it's a singular answer to at least half a dozen questions I had going into the final book. That knowledge has made my current reread as intriguing as the knowledge of Kaminsod's narration.
Thanks again to all of you for 3 hours of great reflection :)
That is such an important detail and you're right it explains so much!
Ohhh... That's what it was... I know have some thinking to do.
Such a great discussion everyone! caught some of this live. I don't know that I realized it at the time but reading these books changed me as a person in ways no other fantasy book has even approached and the re-read as everyone has said cemented that. I'd love to see as many Malazan videos as you want to put out Jimmy. Such a joy to see you all have similar journeys. Learning to truly consider the world from other's shoes with a lens of compassion and that compassion isn't just a feeling but must be an action. I also think that in talking with and listening to others about the books helps drive the lessons home.
The conversation is the best part of this series for me!
Duuuude this video is an all-timer. Very fitting. Your HoC discussion is what got me to join the patreon in the first place and these only got better and better. Appreciate you, brother
Duuuude thank you!! I'm so glad you have enjoyed the journey. It's one of the most profound and unique experiences we can have as readers 🙏
The crystal City is the construct of Icarium.... Who built it to make him remember everything he had forgotten.. Because it is in a way, a record house of what has happened (how, not sure).
When the snake goes through it, that kid touches the crystals, and get the information the same way icarium was supposed to.
Oooooooo
Was able to catch a bit of the Tavore discussion live. I’m excited to catch the rest of it. Thank you for doing these!
It's our pleasure!
I feel like this wasn’t mentioned in the video but Karsa’s arc and getting to the scene with the dying old man under a canvas brought me to tears:
“It wasn’t too much, to take a frail figure into one’s arms for those last moments of life. Better than a cot, or even a bed in a room filled with loved ones. Better, too, than an empty street in the cold rain. To die in someone’s arms - could there be anything more forgiving? Every savage barbarian in the world knew the truth of this.?”
Yeah it was so so good
I honestly really love the idea of Kaminsod being from our world. After all, much like him, we too were brought into this story. As Kaminsod said, "...we open the old book." Note how he states "We" and then tells us, "Listen then to these words carried on [my] breath." If we do not read and bear witness to his words, then he can not share what he has written. And if we are a part of it, then he must be in our world. And he in fact does exist in our world (well, two "he-s" anyway) which feeds right into Philip's theory of Kam-in-Sod being in fact, Cam-and-Steve. Both of whom are in fact real, and bless Hood's balls for that.
That's such an amazing theory
Brilliant!! Again I never cease to learn something new or gain a clearer insight into these brilliant books from listening to these conversations. I’m done with the ten and am frankly feeling a little lost. I was reading the last chapter stranded in an airport last night and literally had to get up several times to seek some privacy because I was so overcome with emotion. Some much about this book that I love and it is certainly now my favorite. Thank you friends for letting me “walk” with you all.
Always man, and congratulations!
OMG, Jimmy, what an excellent way to end the discussion! I'm happy to know that you'll continue to explore the Malazan world. I would recommend reading Esslemont's Novels of the Malazan Empire series at some point. It's quite good and exactly how Philip described it.
Thank you to everyone for the discussion and helping to build the Malazan world for all!
The pleasure is all mine, thanks for being here!
I finished The Crippled God last night and I just finished watching this discussion. I loved it so much. This series is honestly incredible, and I'm very glad to have read it. But also, I'm really grateful that you guys have discussed this series at such length. I *REALLY* appreciate it, and all the discussions brought a lot more to the books than I could have gotten out for myself. So, thank you to Steven Erikson and Ian Esslemont for writing Malazan, and thank you to Jimmy, Allen, Philip, A.P., Johanna, Andy and all the Malaztubers for your contributions. It greatly enriches the experience and I don't think I could have appreciated the books nearly enough without you guys
That’s amazing to hear! Congrats on finishing!
@@thefantasynuttwork thank you!
I was told going in Erikson stuck to landing, he absolutely did, but I was not prepared for how emotionally powerful that ending would hit with me. Only finished it an hour ago so I'll get more passionate as goes.
Yeah it rocked me for a solid week
@@thefantasynuttwork I'm welling up just thinking about that ending now.
What a fantastic discussion. I listened to it throughout the day as I took on multiple mundane tasks... Laundry, paperwork, dishes. It was insightful and funny and really made my otherwise fairly boring Saturday quite enjoyable.
That makes me so happy. Glad to have brought you some entertainment
Just finished today! Did 300 pages and my brain feels completely fried.
Tavore finally breaking down was so damn cathartic
Yes, yes it was. Congrats on finishing!!
@@thefantasynuttwork wish I did it in time to watch this live but that’s okay.
Not sure if you cover it here but something else that really stood out to me was the crippled God saying he would write “the Book of the Fallen”. Idk how literal I was supposed to take that in regards to the meta narrative of the series. Seems like an AP question haha
@@Gl1tch2263 go check out his cipher video, he actually explains it
Amazing line up of guests, I'm so looking forward to when I finish TCG and can watch this 😀 love all your discussion videos, that's some of my favourite content on booktube!
I appreciate that 😊
After 3 years I finally finish the main 10, I been eager to watch this discussion and after hearing all of you discussing this book and all the ecos I just want to start rereading the series.
I’d love to reread as well!
I've just finished TCG and your stream helped me process the two year Ten Big Books journey. Thanks guys.
So happy to hear that
Very fun. Now you get to spend a lot of time watching all kinds of spoiler vids. AP does have one just on the opening scene with the weather vane.
For me the reread wad a completely different experience. A lot of foreshadowing is more obvious, the epigraphs make more sense and you aren't as focused on the lasers and fireballs. It is the quiet places in between that really stood out for me. For example, since I knew the end of the Chain of Dogs already, Squint became much more impactful.
I am curious after all of these discussions and observations, how it might change how you read GRRM now that you get a glimpse behind the author's curtain and looking at the writing.
I've been reading ASOIAF as I go through Malazan and it's been so great. I think it's actually enhanced my enjoyment of that series and I'm confident it has changed the way I'll read books in the future.
Just finished TCG and started your video right away, Jimmy. What a book, what a series! Epic. Cheers man, love the content.
Thanks for watching !!!
Just like to say thank you, I finished the main 10 the other day and since Iskar Jarak’s chapter reviews ended this has been my main source of creating a more fleshed out understanding of each book so cheers, appreciate all of you
Really glad to hear that!
Mappo & Icarium 💔😢😭😭 I maybe have shed one single lonely manly tear
Ah, I hate missing the live streams, now I have a three hour video to try and watch sometime 😂
Glad you enjoyed Malazan, it's a unique experience to be sure.
Thanks Paul, I'm anything but brief 😆
@@thefantasynuttwork It's over 3 million words, I think three hours is the least you could do. 😂
I know this is late but I just finished The Crippled God and so can finally watch this discussion. This was marvelous!! I enjoyed every moment and didn't want it to end.
It’s such a great series and one of a kind. I’m happy you enjoyed it!!!
Great discussion everyone. Great discussions throughout really. Well done Jimmy for finishing the book and I can’t believe I somehow still missed the live stream😭😂 so much for al that hurry to catch up lol.
But yeah this was fun hoping to see more Malazan videos so I wanted to ask who rhythmer was. I’ve been trying to find her yt to no avail
Thank you! Rid's channel is below
th-cam.com/users/riddhimak
2:28:00-ish - Tavore did try to kill Ganoes! She swings as she hears him approaching. He catches her wrist. My takeaway wasn't that she didn't have the fight left in her; it was actually the difference between Ganoes and Felisin that gave us this alternate outcome. Felisin, an innocent youth (I'll fight people on that xD), didn't even expect that she needed to defend herself, and so Tavore's strike caught her completely unaware, and killed her. Ganoes has been through hell and back, fighting in battles and wars, etc. He catches Tavore's hand. Because he knows the world, and knows he needs to expect that. And how perfect is that? In this book, where the innocence of children and the horrifying reality that so many are thrust into because of circumstances beyond their control is made front and center.
The mirror of these two encounters was, for me, the most heartbreaking thing about the entire series. I cried and cried and cried. It was amazing. Thanks for this chat! I know I'm way late to the party here, but I just finished TCG this morning, and I've been watching these discussions with each book as I've finished.
Great catch!
I am doing a 3rd re-read, TotH now, I plan on taking the snake real slow this time through. Every time I have read the snake I feel like I read it looking away, if that makes sense? This time I am going to savor the pain. I appreciate all of the content you guys put out.
That makes sense to me. Thanks for watching 😬
I just finished reading it and I enjoyed it overall.
Really picks up towards the end.
I think reading the series is worth it.
Not watching until I read TCG....currently on DoD. Just hoping that Dr Fantasy continues his quest to promote the novels of the malazan empire in this video and bonus points if it annoys Allen in the process :)
🤣
Loved the discussion. Thank you all.
I think the Fener/Karsa scene was epic, however, I don't understand why Karsa did what he did. Can anyone please explain that?
It’s been so long that I cannot remember now lol
@@thefantasynuttwork Haha. Fair enough :)
I suggest y’all listening to the audiobooks as well! They’re great and they help with pronunciation a lot.
Definitely!
I'm bummed I missed this, but I had to work.
It's all good!
was that crazy feedback partway through Johanna's psychic powers manifesting?
Speaking of small but hilarious moments I loved the revelation that Jaghut had tended to be solitary because in groups their sense of humour is so lame and annoying, as Roach pisses on Hood's boots LOL.
Hahaha
The Crippled God didn't hit that hard on my first read. I thought it was an ok conclusion, but on my second, third and now I've lost track of retreads, it makes me ugly cry in several places.
I could see that happening
Assad means Lion
Thanks!
Karsa finally broke Samar dev lol
I don’t know where else to ask this question except to a ragged and scrappy band of Scholars, Zealots and Fanboys as your esteemed selves:
I have found nothing on the topic..and the dude is a Beast, no doubt…
…but try to convince me that Karsa is Not a Mary-Sue.
Xoxoxo
🤔
@@thefantasynuttwork
Okokok,
Hyperbolic Conservative DoucheTube aside…
I kinda struggle to figure out Anything Karsa ever actually struggled with other than philosophically
(Or eventually getting into that scientist lady’s pant cuz she was finally exhausted at the effort of saying No constantly)
Karsa Hold My Beer Orlong
If I walk away from this discussion y’all had with any individual Truth Nugget,
…it’s hands down Allen’s “Schrödinger’s Douchebaggery”
😂😂😂😂
-FYI I’m mid-process of switching accounts and streamlining stuff.
My new handle is Telorast&Curdle with my email being SorryNotApsalar.
Sorry, not Sorry about Apsalar being Not Apsalar.
(See what I did there? I’m pretty sure I Can’t untangle the pretzel I just made of my brain.)
😂😂😂