I know this video is over a year old, but I was pregnant with twins last year. I found out there were two heartbeats a little over 7 weeks pregnant. I was sent for another ultrasound a little after 9 weeks (almost 10 weeks) pregnant and there was only one baby left. The baby girl was born, and she’s fine despite a NICU stay in the beginning. It does happen. The doctors did say it was common. However, this case always haunted me. When I was very obviously pregnant, I hated leaving my house because I worried about someone doing what was done to Bobbie Jo
Birth centers are real! You can be discharged as soon as a couple hours. Some hospitals will too (my mother's did with her third baby) Great reporting on this case!
My mother gave birth to me in a hospital, but to my sister at home. A birthing center would have been a "between step" sort of situation, and there are many in my area. They generally offer a level of care above what a midwife can provide at a home birth (in states where that's allowed) but below what an OBGYN would offer at a hospital. I had to watch my sister's birth, and I was 4. It traumatized me so much that I immediately started asking to be sterilized, was more forceful about it in my late 20's. (I told every healthcare professional I came in contact with for about two years that I wanted to be sterilized, and would intentionally get pregnant and have abortions to deal with it - this freaked them out but worked and I was referred to a surgeon). Finally, after decades, I was sterilized via salpingectomy when I was 31.
Just watched this video, I was pregnant but did not realise to I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks, the next day I had a scan to see if I needed a DNC and there was a baby, I was told I had lost a twin , our son is 22 now, so yes it is possible ❤️
My brother was a twin and his twin died when my mom was around 4 months pregnant. The doctors said he or my moms womb absorbed the twin. It’s called twin vanishing syndrome.
It is possible that I once had a twin, since my mom had some miscarriage symptoms at about four months. That was back in the 80s, so a twin could have been missed.
My mom had a miscarriage when she was pregnant with me too, I'm 43 now but I still wonder every once in a while what it would have been like if my twin had survived
I was pregnant with twins in 2006, everything was great we heard 2 heart beats and seen 2 babies on our ultrasound at 12 weeks, went for another ultrasound at 18 weeks and only found 1 baby. A lot of times if one baby is weaker then the other the stronger twin will absorb the other one. Also I've had a career as a Med Tech for 16 years and it's possible to lose a twin any time during pregnancy, and it's also possible to get pregnant after a tubal ligation. If the tube aren't burned and spaced the tube can become untied usually about 7 years in.
On the subject of one twin dying and the other surviving, my nanny actually lost one her twins early-ish in the pregnancy not knowing she was having twins she thought she'd just miscarried the pregnancy and then months later my uncle was born!
I really enjoy listening to the both of you. Considering how dark some of these real life stories get. You have a talent to remain calm & pleasant whilst talking about some of the most unbelievable, sickening stories I've ever heard. Keep up the good work and I'm sure your channel will continue to grow quickly.
10:26 my baby sister was a twin. My brother her twin died 5 months into the pregnancy. Mom had to carry both babies to term because the Doc had no way of knowing which baby would come out 1st & once you induce labor can you just stop after 1 baby comes out. My sister came out perfect. She’s now married, owns a home, and has her PhD. As a matter of fact she and her husband just went to Sweden 🇸🇪. I’m so proud of her!
I am a twin where my twin died some time in-between the 1st and 2nd trimester, it started to be broken down during the duration of the pregnancy but their amniotic sac was actually below mine so I was born a month late, and they didn't even know the twin was there until they broke the first sac before they could get to me.
Someone who had a "mental break" as the sister claims will not research and study C-section and purchase a c-section of kit ahead of time. She also scouted bobbi jo's house one day before she commited the crime. In short, people who experienced "mental break(down)" will not be able to PLAN and premeditate the crime. Period. Lisa didnt have a "mental break", lisa had a MOTIVE. Her motive was to keep her second husband from leaving her. Her 4 children were from her first marriage and she had tubal ligation before she met her second husband. She faked 3 pregnancies while being married to her 2nd husband and claimed all of them ended in miscarriage. Her motive for planing and commiting this barbaric crime is the same as taylor parkers who commited the same crime. Both didnt want their partners to leave them and both faked their pregnancy to keep their relationship going.
😭😭😭😭😭 The abuse that Lisa endured! OMG 😢 But, what she did to that poor woman was so insane and just unnecessary 😭🥺 Sending love.. May she be at peace now 🕊️
I was pregnant with twins and I lost one at 14 weeks gestation. The doctors thought I would miscaring the remaining twin and sent me to a specialist and I was on bedrest for the rest of my pregnancy. The living twin was born premature and had some health issues but she is 20 years old and healthy now. I did not give birth to the other twin. My body absorbed it. My sister in law lost a twin also but she gave birth to the living twin and the the other twin was still born.
In the UK we Have birthing centres. These are usually midwife led with no Dr or pain relief apart from gas and air. These are for low risk pregnancy. I gave birth to my 1st in hospital and my and baby was home after 6 hours. After my 2nd, me and baby was home after 3 hours. My friend was also expecting twins and lost one very early into pregnancy
I was born in the early 80s and I do know that back then my parents did not have insurance. I was born in the very early morning and by dinner time (the same day my mother was home with me. That said I do believe this story takes place like 20 years later so things have changed A LOT! I was born and raised in Maine and had a baby born in 2001 and I was in the hospital for like 3 or 4 days, natural birth and the hospital would not allow me to leave, not that I really tried but its my understanding that I can leave of you REALLY want to but you can not take the child because they want to observe and make sure the baby is healthy as Im sure they would be liable if the baby died and they let it leave too soon
Yeah things have definitely changed a lot, I did more research afterwards and you can leave if you really want to but the baby has to have so many hours of operation, and in some cases you can take the baby but you have to sign something stating that you'll bring the baby back to be checked on in 48 hours. Nowadays, giving birth and leaving same day seems very rare. Also very happy to have a fellow Mainer listening to us!! ❤️
I'm in NYS and had my son in 2004 and daughter in 2007 they had me stay for at least 48 hours. then I left with my children. That don't sound right that you can give birth then just leave. They just want to make sure mom and baby are healthy enough on their own before going home. This case is soo sad. not sure how I feel on Lisa Montgomery getting executed really mixed feelings on this case. part of me feels bad that she was abused maybe she should have gotten life instead. Then part of me feels there is no excuse for what she did that was horrible. if she was abused, why would she want to hurt another human being. :( I just found your channel and subscribed and liked video too. hopefully this comment helps too. :)
I had a C-section at 6:14 pm and was sent home the second morning I was there..but I've had family that has babies at 5am and we're home by nine that night or first thing in morn..the rule of thumb is 24/48 hours for natural n 3-4 days for C-section... insurance does seem to matter too, sadly
@@TheMiseryMachineI just discovered this channel and I'm in Ohio. We have a lot of migrants, many not legally in the country, come through here. You can have your baby, leave, & take your child, whenever you choose. You have to sign that you are acknowledging that you are leaving AMA (against medical advice), & that you will bring the infant back as Ohio requires newborns to have a newborn screening panel performed at between 24-48 hours. Many don't return but there's not exactly a posse to round them up if they don't. The most that can be done is a referral to Children's Services, but as most give fake addresses, there's not a lot that can be done. The flip side is that knowing this, they at least come to give birth in the hospital instead of someone's back bedroom.
I have heard this on many other platforms but the amount of additional details y'all were able to uncover and add was more than impressive!! Outstanding podcast!!!! So glad I didn't skip this one just bcuz I heard it before.
I remember when this happened…it was so sad (I was 15) I remember watching the news and thinking there’s no way this is real. But unfortunately people really can be monsters.
Birthing centers(though I've heard other names) are a type of womans fertility clinic that you can link with your hospital OBGYN to basically cater to any birthing needs, they specialize in assisted births, water births and natural births. I'm not sure how you would sign up for one but they do exist. People don't usually use them because they are expensive and sometimes don't take insurance. Most people opt to give birth at a hospital because they can cater to any emergency needs for a baby and aren't expensive.
As far as losing one twin, it's not common but it happens. I actually had a twin that my mother miscarried early on, before she was aware she was carrying twins. For roughly 8 weeks after the miscarriage my mother was unaware she was still pregnant. This was in the early 80's, before the tech Drs have these days.
I had my third and last child 16 years ago at a birthing center with midwives and after they monitored myself and the baby where we both had to eat and have a normal bowel movement we absolutely did go home in an hour. It’s not common but it does happen!
It's more common than you think..those bowel movements are the great decider bc they think if you can poop that all is well..and the will send you home
Honestly, I want to believe the TBI was enough...but the stalking and planning is what makes her seem competent. The horrific story of her childhood abuse though...breaks my heart.
I birthed my third at home, with the supervision of two midwives. From memory, his first time in a hospital was a bumped head that needed some glue when he was about 4.
I used to hate how y’all get side tracked from the video subject & go thru back and forth personal thoughts/knowledge of one detail in the story, but now I enjoy it 😂
I went to a birthing center and was allowed to leave 2 hours later. I also was not allowed to stay longer than 23 hours and 59 minutes. But if they thought I or the baby needed to be monitored, etc we would have been transferred to hospital
Regarding leaving hospital same day: in canada you can leave if/when your freezing has worn off and you can walk unassisted AND once the baby has peed twice, pooped once and fed at least once.
I had a friend who had twins. One died around 5 months. She had to carry until the other babies' lungs were developed. In these cases, they will give a c-section as soon as it's safe for the live baby.
10:23 hello, twin baby here - this can happen at times but it’s not the norm in pregnancies I was a twin baby but my twin died, it was probably an undisclosed diagnosis or I absorbed them. I don’t actually remember how pregnant my mom was at the time so sorry!
I just love love you all content I finally got caught up and now can't wait to see what you all going to put up next all I can say keep up the good work and keep doing what you happy.
Thank you for watching all of our episodes! I really am thankful for your support (apologies for some of the older episodes, we've come a long way haha)
@The Misery Machine another good one I'd love u guys to tell is the Dynel Lane and Michelle Wilkens story. It's so very sad and disturbing Dr. Phil had Michelle on his show bawled my eyes out
I got a tbi from a fall in 2011..it def changed my personality..I used to be a go with the flow optimistic pacifist..since?...I now worry about everything..became virtually a hermit during COVID, my outlook is pessimistic..that fall eventually cost me my nursing career bc I stopped thinking critically and no longer felt an asset to my residents.. docs put me on disability for the fall issues beyond the tbi, hip back shoulder n joints messed up, etc, and I've been living in my minivan bc while pending disability I lost my paid for home over not having two months lot rent and no help...before my fall? I would've managed that with a smile..since my fall I'm anxious depressed and sometimes even angry tho I hide it well..therapy helped..but I've def changed and I miss the old me.. What Lisa did was horrific and im against the death penalty...but abuse absolutely changes who you are..I have PTSD from childhood trauma but nothing close to the cruelty that Lisa and her sister must be gone thru..😢😢 I wish Victoria and her siblings and dad have the best life possible❤
6:35 - My mom gave birth to me outside a hospital, we didn't get to the hospital for about an hour after I was born due to distance + traffic. However after checking us both over, they let my mom & me leave later that same night.
I've heard it is possible to leave the same day but its only allowed to women who have a partner/spouse or caregiver at home to help them out and keep tabs on their health
Birthing Centers are a thing. It's basically come in, have a baby, stay for a couple hours for monitoring then you can go home. They aren't super common and I assume they were even less common in 2004 but they do exist
Out of 5 babies the least amount of time I spent after giving birth was 14 hrs, I gave birth at 12:18 am on a Friday and was discharged at 2:45 pm that same day They screwed up I ended up back in the hospital 2 days later with a blocked bowel and my baby had jaundice and we were readmitted It takes 3-4 hours to moved from delivery to recovery And yes early miscarriage with twins can cause bleeding or a false period and one twin can survive and twins can fuse together early on and create a hermaphrodite which typically goes unnoticed unless the babies were opposite genders
I was in and out the same day BUT..... I went in super early, of my 5 kids baby number 2 was my easiest, gentalist birth I had 😊❤ There was no horrible pain or hours of pushing... I took in deep breaths and he quietly gently came into this world and our family. I had no anesthesia or narcotics and no tears or heavy bleeding and my son was perfectly fine and it was Memorial day at a small New England military hospital and I was the only one there so they made an exception plus we lived in housing and the hospital was only 3 minutes away doing the speed limit.
I was actually a set of twins myself but my mom lost the other twin early on too and I was born 6 weeks early. I have never thought about this but I wonder how common this actually is or how often this even happens without people even realizing sometimes. I am very sorry for your loss, hun. I hope your son is doing well and so are you 💜
10:00 so about the one twin dying and the other surviving thing, From my own families medical experience, my mother wasn't suppose to have kids, she was medically told she wasn't able to get pregnant. My mother ended up getting pregnant at age 39, with twins, and in the early stages, it was obvious that one twin was growing stronger and the other was growing weaker, her body rejected one twin and by the beginning of the 2nd trimester the twin had passed away inside of her womb, her body ended up reabsorbing the twin that had passed and the other twin (me) continued to develop as normal, I was born premature but have not suffered any medical conditions from my twin passing away while i was still growing in the womb. Not sure if that helps but it's my experience
It definitely is possible to have one twin die and be stillborn whilst the other continues to develop in the womb. My step sister was a twin in this situation. Also mothers and babies can be released from a hospital or birth centre within hours of birth as long as there was no complications and the baby is well
Yes, you too are right because when I had both of my sons.They made me stay For at least two days Yes you do have to stay Because they have to monitor the baby and you there.There's no No clinic , no hospital in this world that will
I was having twins 32 years ago and 1 died at 20 weeks and the other my son josh was born at 38 weeks a little small 4lb 9 oz but healthy and is now 31 years old 6 feet tall and a brilliant clever and completely healthy xx I had to carry both babies till birth and had an emergency c section xx
I have heard of people having multiples (usually those having triplets and more) having selective reductions (the termination of 1 or more of the foetuses). But I personally haven’t heard of anyone miscarrying one baby without anything happening to the other. It could be possible, but I haven’t heard of it.
Hey there! I gave birth at a birthing center. It was a place to have a natural, at home birth without it being MY home and without having to go to a hospital. Just a midwife and her assistant with some life saving tools in a room sat up like a guest room. I got there at 730 pm, had him at 8:07 pm, and left at 10 am the next morning. I believe i could've left whenever i wanted to but my midwife did want me to stay the night since it was so late!
There is the vanishing twin syndrome. I know someone who had to get surgery and they found out that they had a twin attached to them and had to have them removed.
My sister was a twin- my mom miscarried her twin ( fraternal) but it was fairly early on and it took her a minute to figure out she was still pregnant!
I know someone who's wife was pregnant with twins, lost one of them somewhere around 5 months and somehow the other twin survived, they had to use medical interventions to stop her labor multiple times and she was on bedrest the remainder of the pregnancy, he was born prematurely but is mostly healthy. He has some slight medical issues though I'm not sure exactly what, i just know he has seizures sometimes and frequent migrains and regularly sees a neurologist. So i know it is possible to loose one twin and not the other, though i think its uncommon
Vanishing twin syndrome can be where one twin survives. .. but from my knowledge, there's more times where one twin dies during gestation- which happens pretty early on but it can happen later in the pregnancy... Now if the dead twin is far enough along and the mother's body can't "absorb it" then some times it's necessary for a C-section to take the dead twin out while leaving the survive twin to continue on the gestational period... Again, it's rare but it happens... In any case, vanishing twin is way more common than we know and often happens before the mother even knows she's pregnant or very soon afterwards... More common than getting to the end of a pregnancy and one being still born and one alive...
in watching this 2 years after the originating post so i have no idea of anyone will see this, but i do know a set of twins that were born 2 months apart. the mom went into premature labor, and she delivered the first twin. they were able to stop the labor to keep the other twin in to bake for another month. so they are twins born 5 weeks apart
I was a twin, we made it to term (premature, there was an induced labor and I think it counts) but labor was induced because of twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome. This made her have heart failure and pass during labor, because she (larger twin who got more nutrients) was overexerting her heart to pump blood and transfuse nutrients to me (smaller twin less nutrients) something to do with the placenta- believe it or not I’m not a doctor 😅
Actually I went through a midwife and delivered my first child at home, now days they don't have very many of them left in the USA, but they run birthing facilities out of their homes, and they are licensed obgyn Dr. So you go to their house, deliver your baby and go home a couple of hours later
When are people gonna understand doing something crazy doesn’t make you insane. You have a whole plan, this was premeditated. Give the victim family respect and say you did it. Say you’re evil with your chest.
I understand you’re objectively looking at this from a “justice POV”; however when doing that the victim seems to take a back seat to the antagonist. Bobby Joe did nothing to provoke this heinous act. You have to figuratively draw a line in the sand at some point & say this is unacceptable no matter what “issues” the person has or what may have happened to them in their past, or else everything can be lost into the ether. That’s where the facts of the case come in & makes this premeditated: 1. Melvern to Skidmore is 176 miles (roughly 2.75 hrs 1 way-it’s not spontaneous) 2. Trauma & other mental illness diagnosis (mitigating factors) weren’t fully revealed to the jury until after Montgomery’s conviction by her appeal lawyers (not claiming it didn’t happen, however it’s suspicious waiting for a conviction to break out the sob story) 3. Mental illness isn’t quantified - the state uses a modified version of the M'Naghten Rule for legal insanity; the defendant either didn’t understand what he/she did, or failed to distinguish right from wrong, because of a "disease of mind"; the burden of proof lies upon the defendant. 4. Montgomery planned via chat room & emails prior to the attack using an alias to set-up a contact appt with Bobbie Jo reg. her puppies 5. Montgomery brought along a DIY cesarean section kit to the crime scene 6. Lied to multiple people, including family & initial FBI agents with a explanation of why she didn’t contact anyone while giving birth (including her 2nd husband/which for liability reasons a hospital will not allow that to occur-drive home afterwards) 7. These were not acts of someone with “brain damage” & this just scratches the surface Side note, if someone suffers from pseudocyesis that wouldn’t lead to them to become violent towards someone else; IMO this was a defense ploy to give some psycho-babble explanation of why she lied as an excuse. I don’t care why she did it, it’s done. The punishment should fit the crime & it has. People are going to jump on the abuse claim train, others have suffered through horrible abuse crimes & haven’t committed violent acts like this. Criminal fetal abduction does occur although rare it’s always shocking.
I appreciate the well thought out comment. We had to delete a couple nasty comments since we released this, a couple that said we weren't forgiving enough on Lisa Montgomery or because we didn't specifically declare that "she shouldn't receive the death penalty." When we did this episode we wanted to lay out information in this case as clearly and completely as possible, without leaving anything out, and without injecting our personal feelings on the case. Too often we get really horrible comments that we give our personal opinions on cases and we wanted to try to just be factual this time. Given what you wrote, you might be surprised to know that we agree with you more than you think. There's a reason why we spent a lot of time humanizing Bobbie Jo at the beginning and talking about who she was, and why I stressed the factors of premeditation. I may delete this reply after you read it, just to keep our personal opinion detached from the episode, but I felt given the time you took to write us, that you deserved to know our feelings on the case - Drewby
@@TheMiseryMachine I understand & appreciate it; don’t let the internet trolls censor speech especially when their clearly wrong, I ignore them & let them have their tantrums (like a 2 Y/O).
@@TheMiseryMachine 10:21 yes you can miscarry a twin, my mother did with my little brother. It can only happen if the embryos are in separate eggs though, so only with fraternal twins
I agree. I think that while discussing whether capital punishment is good or bad, we have to remember that all murder cases leave behind a family in trauma and a person who will never come back, and the perpetrator's own issues pale into comparison beside the issues faced by the families left behind. I lost my husband to cancer 4 years ago, and the crater in my life his death left behind is huge -- I miss him dearly even though I got to say goodbye and he even chose to go -- we were on the hospice waiting list for a week and he held on to get somewhere comfortable, away from the awful communal wards of an NHS hospital (seriously folks, single payer healthcare isn't actually the luxury you think it is. Six of one, half a dozen of another, as they say.) I can't begin to imagine Zeb's pain, or what the daughter here went through. I'm not a fan of capital punishment and it was abolished in the UK in the 60s. But in cases like these where the crime can be proven beyond the point of obviousness and where the facts of the case are so heinous as to be beyond the pale of, say, a crime of passion for which the perp shows immediate remorse, the death penalty gives the victims of the crime a way of exacting actual justice for the crime. Honestly, the more I listen, the more it seems that in cruel and unusual cases, the more I just shrug at the mention of it. Also, the insanity defence ignores the millions of people with psychoses that don't go on to be a danger to others. I've experienced psychosis myself, but luckily I had insulation from the outside world in which to deal with it. But many, many others go through trauma, abuse and other triggers of mental health issues later in life, plus others with mental health issues that grow up in normal happy homes and with causes that are all internal. The insanity defence increases stigma against those with mental illness in the long run. (However, I do get that insanity only mitigates the punishment, rather than avoids it altogether.) Blaming Montgomery's crimes on insanity or abuse ends up throwing shade on all those who survive abuse and go on to rebuild. Again, it's really, really hard to have sympathy. It's not easy shouldering the burden of mental and neurological problems, but most of us have some kind of struggle in our own lives and come out of it without actually killing people. This is definitely not to throw shade on you guys at the Misery Machine! I love your podcasts, I have listened to them for a while now (I got hooked while I was off work with flu because I didn't have to watch the videos to get a lot out of them!) and you are doing these totally out of love for the victims, disgust at the perpetrators and to raise awareness. I want to chip in a few pounds but am waiting for a slight raise in my budget to do that. I hope to be able to do that soon because you do God's work here. (I just came back from the US and y'all are so friendly and lovely, particularly to disabled me. I wish I could spend longer with you!) Best of luck for the future and give your kitties a belly-rub from this British Americophile!
Vanishing Twin Syndrome occurs when a person is pregnant with twins or multiple fetuses but miscarries one of them. It’s called “vanishing” twin syndrome because the twin essentially disappears in the uterus--so yes its completely possible to lose one baby and carry one successfully to term
Sad- damn. We had a neighbor that was around 25 weeks with twins- they were told the boy was deceased and they would need to remove the dead one- the surviving one was too small to survive birth. The parents were not extremely religious but felt that the doctor was going to force an abortion and put the procedure off due to their beliefs. Toxemia set in and by the time they were decided to go to the specialist 400 miles away they arrived to be told both fetus's had now passed. I dont know that if she had lost him earlier on that her body would have just absorbed him, I know an ectopic pregnancy is often left to be re-absorbed in the body with some sort of Tcell inections.
Very late to the party because I just found your channel, but yes twins can die very early into pregnancy and either cease development and be born with the surviving twin and placenta, or be reabsorbed. Depends on how late the death occurs. Hard to describe but, as a twin that was born with the extra umbilical cord and no twin, it's very possible. (Other fetus died at around 6-8 weeks and while the umbilical developed more, the fetus did not. Source is a picture/mom's doc/dad's story.)
I just saw this video, and I have given birth twice. The first time I was there for days n days but there were complications. The second one, I placed her for adoption. I was in labor for 24 hours n was released from the hospital 5 hours later n the baby n her adoptive parents stayed for 3 more days. The mother, as long as all goes to plan, can be released that day. Not the baby though. They have lots of tests n birth certs n everything to do before the baby can leave. The mother usually stays too until the baby can go home, unless it's a premie n needs to stay longer. 🖤🧡
Birthing centers do exist. My understanding is, expecting mothers do go there for prenatal care. Once in labor, mothers, and couples go there for a different birthing experience, something between a home birth and hospital. A YT creator made videos about it
No you don't have to stay in 24 hrs. I've had 3 children & I know w/ my middle son I didn't stay in a full 24 hrs. I went in around 630-7 o'clock in the evening and had him@ 2:22A.m and I was able to go home that afternoon. I'm assuming though that it depends on each individual person ad what their labor was like.
A retroverted uterus can cause an undetected pregnancy. We had a woman once (heavy, but not so much that a baby would be unnoticed) give birth in a toilet in the ER when I worked there. She was so panicked, but the baby made it and as far as I know it's was able to live with her. It wasn't a neglect issue, it was because of how her uterus sat hiding the pregnancy even from her.
You can have it where one twin is weak and your body can’t support both and the stronger baby basically “consumes” or merges with the other but this is usually very early on in pregnancy. Actually there is an extremely rare condition that’s named after the legendary chimera where a set of fraternal twins, ends up only being 1 baby because the situation above happens however the surviving baby has 2 sets of dna. Meaning blood, and spit are one twins and the sperm is actually the others.
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I know this video is over a year old, but I was pregnant with twins last year. I found out there were two heartbeats a little over 7 weeks pregnant. I was sent for another ultrasound a little after 9 weeks (almost 10 weeks) pregnant and there was only one baby left. The baby girl was born, and she’s fine despite a NICU stay in the beginning. It does happen. The doctors did say it was common.
However, this case always haunted me. When I was very obviously pregnant, I hated leaving my house because I worried about someone doing what was done to Bobbie Jo
The Number of fetus snatching cases I've heard of is actually pretty shocking. Never would have thought it was this common!!
Birth centers are real! You can be discharged as soon as a couple hours. Some hospitals will too (my mother's did with her third baby)
Great reporting on this case!
Agree. Birthing Centers are very common in some states. They have licensed birth staff - midwives, nurses, etc.
Some ppl just can't afford to go to a hospital to give birth. Birthing centres are a much cheaper alternative.
Well if someone who is going to have a baby is low to no risk then they can go to such place. Correct me if I'm wrong or what.
My daughter had my granddaughter at a Birthing Center. We went home an hour after she gave birth.
My mother gave birth to me in a hospital, but to my sister at home. A birthing center would have been a "between step" sort of situation, and there are many in my area. They generally offer a level of care above what a midwife can provide at a home birth (in states where that's allowed) but below what an OBGYN would offer at a hospital.
I had to watch my sister's birth, and I was 4. It traumatized me so much that I immediately started asking to be sterilized, was more forceful about it in my late 20's. (I told every healthcare professional I came in contact with for about two years that I wanted to be sterilized, and would intentionally get pregnant and have abortions to deal with it - this freaked them out but worked and I was referred to a surgeon). Finally, after decades, I was sterilized via salpingectomy when I was 31.
Just watched this video, I was pregnant but did not realise to I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks, the next day I had a scan to see if I needed a DNC and there was a baby, I was told I had lost a twin , our son is 22 now, so yes it is possible ❤️
My brother was a twin and his twin died when my mom was around 4 months pregnant. The doctors said he or my moms womb absorbed the twin. It’s called twin vanishing syndrome.
It is possible that I once had a twin, since my mom had some miscarriage symptoms at about four months. That was back in the 80s, so a twin could have been missed.
My mom had a miscarriage when she was pregnant with me too, I'm 43 now but I still wonder every once in a while what it would have been like if my twin had survived
My third pregnancy in 1997 was twins. I lost 1, my son is now 25 🥰 he's 6'4", 250# Army veteran. It happens all the time.
I was pregnant with twins in 2006, everything was great we heard 2 heart beats and seen 2 babies on our ultrasound at 12 weeks, went for another ultrasound at 18 weeks and only found 1 baby. A lot of times if one baby is weaker then the other the stronger twin will absorb the other one.
Also I've had a career as a Med Tech for 16 years and it's possible to lose a twin any time during pregnancy, and it's also possible to get pregnant after a tubal ligation. If the tube aren't burned and spaced the tube can become untied usually about 7 years in.
On the subject of one twin dying and the other surviving, my nanny actually lost one her twins early-ish in the pregnancy not knowing she was having twins she thought she'd just miscarried the pregnancy and then months later my uncle was born!
I really enjoy listening to the both of you. Considering how dark some of these real life stories get. You have a talent to remain calm & pleasant whilst talking about some of the most unbelievable, sickening stories I've ever heard. Keep up the good work and I'm sure your channel will continue to grow quickly.
We really appreciate the kind words, thank you for being here. ❤️
10:26 my baby sister was a twin. My brother her twin died 5 months into the pregnancy. Mom had to carry both babies to term because the Doc had no way of knowing which baby would come out 1st & once you induce labor can you just stop after 1 baby comes out.
My sister came out perfect. She’s now married, owns a home, and has her PhD. As a matter of fact she and her husband just went to Sweden 🇸🇪. I’m so proud of her!
I am a twin where my twin died some time in-between the 1st and 2nd trimester, it started to be broken down during the duration of the pregnancy but their amniotic sac was actually below mine so I was born a month late, and they didn't even know the twin was there until they broke the first sac before they could get to me.
Skidmore is a very mysterious place.....Ken McElroy (the town bully), Bobbi Jo, and several missing women.
Yes! I’m binging your old episodes from 3 years ago again! 🥰
Me too lol
I truly believe that justice was served!
There's... a lot of evidence for premeditation in this case. So I agree ♡ Yergy
Someone who had a "mental break" as the sister claims will not research and study C-section and purchase a c-section of kit ahead of time. She also scouted bobbi jo's house one day before she commited the crime. In short, people who experienced "mental break(down)" will not be able to PLAN and premeditate the crime. Period.
Lisa didnt have a "mental break", lisa had a MOTIVE. Her motive was to keep her second husband from leaving her. Her 4 children were from her first marriage and she had tubal ligation before she met her second husband. She faked 3 pregnancies while being married to her 2nd husband and claimed all of them ended in miscarriage. Her motive for planing and commiting this barbaric crime is the same as taylor parkers who commited the same crime. Both didnt want their partners to leave them and both faked their pregnancy to keep their relationship going.
😭😭😭😭😭 The abuse that Lisa endured! OMG 😢
But, what she did to that poor woman was so insane and just unnecessary 😭🥺 Sending love.. May she be at peace now 🕊️
I was pregnant with twins and I lost one at 14 weeks gestation. The doctors thought I would miscaring the remaining twin and sent me to a specialist and I was on bedrest for the rest of my pregnancy. The living twin was born premature and had some health issues but she is 20 years old and healthy now. I did not give birth to the other twin. My body absorbed it. My sister in law lost a twin also but she gave birth to the living twin and the the other twin was still born.
In the UK we Have birthing centres. These are usually midwife led with no Dr or pain relief apart from gas and air. These are for low risk pregnancy. I gave birth to my 1st in hospital and my and baby was home after 6 hours. After my 2nd, me and baby was home after 3 hours. My friend was also expecting twins and lost one very early into pregnancy
I was born in the early 80s and I do know that back then my parents did not have insurance. I was born in the very early morning and by dinner time (the same day my mother was home with me. That said I do believe this story takes place like 20 years later so things have changed A LOT! I was born and raised in Maine and had a baby born in 2001 and I was in the hospital for like 3 or 4 days, natural birth and the hospital would not allow me to leave, not that I really tried but its my understanding that I can leave of you REALLY want to but you can not take the child because they want to observe and make sure the baby is healthy as Im sure they would be liable if the baby died and they let it leave too soon
Yeah things have definitely changed a lot, I did more research afterwards and you can leave if you really want to but the baby has to have so many hours of operation, and in some cases you can take the baby but you have to sign something stating that you'll bring the baby back to be checked on in 48 hours. Nowadays, giving birth and leaving same day seems very rare. Also very happy to have a fellow Mainer listening to us!! ❤️
I'm in NYS and had my son in 2004 and daughter in 2007 they had me stay for at least 48 hours. then I left with my children. That don't sound right that you can give birth then just leave. They just want to make sure mom and baby are healthy enough on their own before going home. This case is soo sad. not sure how I feel on Lisa Montgomery getting executed really mixed feelings on this case. part of me feels bad that she was abused maybe she should have gotten life instead. Then part of me feels there is no excuse for what she did that was horrible. if she was abused, why would she want to hurt another human being. :( I just found your channel and subscribed and liked video too. hopefully this comment helps too. :)
I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now because it's all lies
I had a C-section at 6:14 pm and was sent home the second morning I was there..but I've had family that has babies at 5am and we're home by nine that night or first thing in morn..the rule of thumb is 24/48 hours for natural n 3-4 days for C-section... insurance does seem to matter too, sadly
@@TheMiseryMachineI just discovered this channel and I'm in Ohio. We have a lot of migrants, many not legally in the country, come through here. You can have your baby, leave, & take your child, whenever you choose. You have to sign that you are acknowledging that you are leaving AMA (against medical advice), & that you will bring the infant back as Ohio requires newborns to have a newborn screening panel performed at between 24-48 hours. Many don't return but there's not exactly a posse to round them up if they don't. The most that can be done is a referral to Children's Services, but as most give fake addresses, there's not a lot that can be done. The flip side is that knowing this, they at least come to give birth in the hospital instead of someone's back bedroom.
24 hours in hospital when my grandson was born. OMG. I was shocked. Back in 1992.
22:56 I'm lost for words, truly. I can't BELIEVE how people could treat their own kids like this, or anyone for that matter holy shit
I have heard this on many other platforms but the amount of additional details y'all were able to uncover and add was more than impressive!! Outstanding podcast!!!! So glad I didn't skip this one just bcuz I heard it before.
I remember when this happened…it was so sad (I was 15) I remember watching the news and thinking there’s no way this is real. But unfortunately people really can be monsters.
Birthing centers(though I've heard other names) are a type of womans fertility clinic that you can link with your hospital OBGYN to basically cater to any birthing needs, they specialize in assisted births, water births and natural births. I'm not sure how you would sign up for one but they do exist. People don't usually use them because they are expensive and sometimes don't take insurance. Most people opt to give birth at a hospital because they can cater to any emergency needs for a baby and aren't expensive.
As far as losing one twin, it's not common but it happens. I actually had a twin that my mother miscarried early on, before she was aware she was carrying twins. For roughly 8 weeks after the miscarriage my mother was unaware she was still pregnant. This was in the early 80's, before the tech Drs have these days.
oh so cute, I only just found u and ur saying ur at 3.4k followers when u made this? ur at 371k when im watching! im so glad of your success :D
I had my third and last child 16 years ago at a birthing center with midwives and after they monitored myself and the baby where we both had to eat and have a normal bowel movement we absolutely did go home in an hour. It’s not common but it does happen!
It's more common than you think..those bowel movements are the great decider bc they think if you can poop that all is well..and the will send you home
Keep at it you two! Can't wait to listen to this one!
Honestly, I want to believe the TBI was enough...but the stalking and planning is what makes her seem competent. The horrific story of her childhood abuse though...breaks my heart.
Here in Belfast Ireland if the birth has gone well and the baby is fine we can leave after 6 hours with home check ups for the next few weeks.
I birthed my third at home, with the supervision of two midwives. From memory, his first time in a hospital was a bumped head that needed some glue when he was about 4.
I used to hate how y’all get side tracked from the video subject & go thru back and forth personal thoughts/knowledge of one detail in the story, but now I enjoy it 😂
We got so much hate for our tangents that we changed OUR show. I hate that we did that.
Thank you!
I went to a birthing center and was allowed to leave 2 hours later. I also was not allowed to stay longer than 23 hours and 59 minutes. But if they thought I or the baby needed to be monitored, etc we would have been transferred to hospital
They do put the hospital on standby in case something goes wrong but you have a private nurse and Dr by your side the whole time
Regarding leaving hospital same day: in canada you can leave if/when your freezing has worn off and you can walk unassisted AND once the baby has peed twice, pooped once and fed at least once.
I love your channel and I love your kitties too! Keep up the great work guys..
I had a friend who had twins. One died around 5 months. She had to carry until the other babies' lungs were developed. In these cases, they will give a c-section as soon as it's safe for the live baby.
Bailey Sarian also covered this case. I love how detailed y’all channels are!!!
10:23 hello, twin baby here - this can happen at times but it’s not the norm in pregnancies
I was a twin baby but my twin died, it was probably an undisclosed diagnosis or I absorbed them. I don’t actually remember how pregnant my mom was at the time so sorry!
this was a good one guys! i love to see y’all succeed!
Thank you!! Your support means the world to us ❤️
I just love love you all content I finally got caught up and now can't wait to see what you all going to put up next all I can say keep up the good work and keep doing what you happy.
Thank you for watching all of our episodes! I really am thankful for your support (apologies for some of the older episodes, we've come a long way haha)
@The Misery Machine another good one I'd love u guys to tell is the Dynel Lane and Michelle Wilkens story. It's so very sad and disturbing Dr. Phil had Michelle on his show bawled my eyes out
I got a tbi from a fall in 2011..it def changed my personality..I used to be a go with the flow optimistic pacifist..since?...I now worry about everything..became virtually a hermit during COVID, my outlook is pessimistic..that fall eventually cost me my nursing career bc I stopped thinking critically and no longer felt an asset to my residents.. docs put me on disability for the fall issues beyond the tbi, hip back shoulder n joints messed up, etc, and I've been living in my minivan bc while pending disability I lost my paid for home over not having two months lot rent and no help...before my fall? I would've managed that with a smile..since my fall I'm anxious depressed and sometimes even angry tho I hide it well..therapy helped..but I've def changed and I miss the old me..
What Lisa did was horrific and im against the death penalty...but abuse absolutely changes who you are..I have PTSD from childhood trauma but nothing close to the cruelty that Lisa and her sister must be gone thru..😢😢
I wish Victoria and her siblings and dad have the best life possible❤
6:35 - My mom gave birth to me outside a hospital, we didn't get to the hospital for about an hour after I was born due to distance + traffic. However after checking us both over, they let my mom & me leave later that same night.
My mum used to babysit these kids many years ago and the oldest was a twin but the twin was miscarried at around three months gestation
If a TBI occurs prior to 18th birthday it is classified as a developmental Disability.
I've heard it is possible to leave the same day but its only allowed to women who have a partner/spouse or caregiver at home to help them out and keep tabs on their health
I had my son at 8:30am and was out of the hospital by 7:30pm that day.
2004 was my Freshmen Year after Graduating Middle School 8th Grade.
The fact that the fake account she used to steal someone else's unborn child was called "fisher4kids." Smh
Birthing Centers are a thing. It's basically come in, have a baby, stay for a couple hours for monitoring then you can go home. They aren't super common and I assume they were even less common in 2004 but they do exist
Out of 5 babies the least amount of time I spent after giving birth was 14 hrs, I gave birth at 12:18 am on a Friday and was discharged at 2:45 pm that same day
They screwed up I ended up back in the hospital 2 days later with a blocked bowel and my baby had jaundice and we were readmitted
It takes 3-4 hours to moved from delivery to recovery
And yes early miscarriage with twins can cause bleeding or a false period and one twin can survive and twins can fuse together early on and create a hermaphrodite which typically goes unnoticed unless the babies were opposite genders
i was a twin, my brother died in the second trimester. i was born premature, but have no disabilities
My friends are currently pregnant, and were pregnant with twins but lost one of them at around 4-5 months - So definitely can happen
I was in and out the same day BUT..... I went in super early, of my 5 kids baby number 2 was my easiest, gentalist birth I had 😊❤ There was no horrible pain or hours of pushing... I took in deep breaths and he quietly gently came into this world and our family. I had no anesthesia or narcotics and no tears or heavy bleeding and my son was perfectly fine and it was Memorial day at a small New England military hospital and I was the only one there so they made an exception plus we lived in housing and the hospital was only 3 minutes away doing the speed limit.
0:33 a big NYAAA from a big boi.
He has to make himself known any time we record 🐈⬛🤦🏻♀️
Great work again guys
Thanks, Ellie! ♡
It's kinda common for one twin to die early on...happened to me. My son was twins, but his twin wasn't viable (miscarriage).
I was actually a set of twins myself but my mom lost the other twin early on too and I was born 6 weeks early. I have never thought about this but I wonder how common this actually is or how often this even happens without people even realizing sometimes.
I am very sorry for your loss, hun. I hope your son is doing well and so are you 💜
10:00 so about the one twin dying and the other surviving thing, From my own families medical experience, my mother wasn't suppose to have kids, she was medically told she wasn't able to get pregnant. My mother ended up getting pregnant at age 39, with twins, and in the early stages, it was obvious that one twin was growing stronger and the other was growing weaker, her body rejected one twin and by the beginning of the 2nd trimester the twin had passed away inside of her womb, her body ended up reabsorbing the twin that had passed and the other twin (me) continued to develop as normal, I was born premature but have not suffered any medical conditions from my twin passing away while i was still growing in the womb. Not sure if that helps but it's my experience
Rh-... I didn't get enough rhogam, 20 weeks 2 heart beats, 24 weeks one heart beat. Body attacked the unprotected fetus.
It definitely is possible to have one twin die and be stillborn whilst the other continues to develop in the womb. My step sister was a twin in this situation. Also mothers and babies can be released from a hospital or birth centre within hours of birth as long as there was no complications and the baby is well
Yes, you too are right because when I had both of my sons.They made me stay For at least two days Yes you do have to stay Because they have to monitor the baby and you there.There's no No clinic , no hospital in this world that will
I was pregnant with twins and lost 1 at 10 weeks along and carried the other to full term.
I was having twins 32 years ago and 1 died at 20 weeks and the other my son josh was born at 38 weeks a little small 4lb 9 oz but healthy and is now 31 years old 6 feet tall and a brilliant clever and completely healthy xx I had to carry both babies till birth and had an emergency c section xx
I have heard of people having multiples (usually those having triplets and more) having selective reductions (the termination of 1 or more of the foetuses). But I personally haven’t heard of anyone miscarrying one baby without anything happening to the other. It could be possible, but I haven’t heard of it.
Hey there!
I gave birth at a birthing center. It was a place to have a natural, at home birth without it being MY home and without having to go to a hospital. Just a midwife and her assistant with some life saving tools in a room sat up like a guest room. I got there at 730 pm, had him at 8:07 pm, and left at 10 am the next morning. I believe i could've left whenever i wanted to but my midwife did want me to stay the night since it was so late!
It all depends on how the delivery and history is. My second child I was out the hospital the same day. My first and third i had to stay 2-3 days.
There is the vanishing twin syndrome. I know someone who had to get surgery and they found out that they had a twin attached to them and had to have them removed.
I remember when this happened.
My sister was a twin- my mom miscarried her twin ( fraternal) but it was fairly early on and it took her a minute to figure out she was still pregnant!
10:19 So my husband was actually supposed to be a twin, but early on they only saw one baby. They told him he “ate” his twin🤦🏼♀️.
❤❤❤ love y'all's videos
I know someone who's wife was pregnant with twins, lost one of them somewhere around 5 months and somehow the other twin survived, they had to use medical interventions to stop her labor multiple times and she was on bedrest the remainder of the pregnancy, he was born prematurely but is mostly healthy. He has some slight medical issues though I'm not sure exactly what, i just know he has seizures sometimes and frequent migrains and regularly sees a neurologist. So i know it is possible to loose one twin and not the other, though i think its uncommon
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WTF??? This is insane!!!
Vanishing twin syndrome can be where one twin survives. .. but from my knowledge, there's more times where one twin dies during gestation- which happens pretty early on but it can happen later in the pregnancy... Now if the dead twin is far enough along and the mother's body can't "absorb it" then some times it's necessary for a C-section to take the dead twin out while leaving the survive twin to continue on the gestational period... Again, it's rare but it happens... In any case, vanishing twin is way more common than we know and often happens before the mother even knows she's pregnant or very soon afterwards... More common than getting to the end of a pregnancy and one being still born and one alive...
in watching this 2 years after the originating post so i have no idea of anyone will see this, but i do know a set of twins that were born 2 months apart. the mom went into premature labor, and she delivered the first twin. they were able to stop the labor to keep the other twin in to bake for another month. so they are twins born 5 weeks apart
Vanishing twin syndrome; I lost baby b at 13 weeks . Gave birth to baby a . He has signs of cerebral palsy
As long as the twins are fraternal it's perfectly possible to lose one baby but still carry the other to term.
It's possible with identical twins, too.
My .birthday is December 4,1981 too
I was a twin, we made it to term (premature, there was an induced labor and I think it counts) but labor was induced because of twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome. This made her have heart failure and pass during labor, because she (larger twin who got more nutrients) was overexerting her heart to pump blood and transfuse nutrients to me (smaller twin less nutrients) something to do with the placenta- believe it or not I’m not a doctor 😅
I was 7 months pregnant before I realized I was pregnant. I have an irregular period and didn't realize it until she was kicking
I did have a friend that lost a twin and had to carry it until full term
She should have been in a mental hospital for life
i love how any unflatering fact is YT hate speech
Many times with twin fetuses, one twin will absorb the other twin. Usually early in pregnancy
Actually I went through a midwife and delivered my first child at home, now days they don't have very many of them left in the USA, but they run birthing facilities out of their homes, and they are licensed obgyn Dr. So you go to their house, deliver your baby and go home a couple of hours later
When are people gonna understand doing something crazy doesn’t make you insane. You have a whole plan, this was premeditated. Give the victim family respect and say you did it. Say you’re evil with your chest.
I understand you’re objectively looking at this from a “justice POV”; however when doing that the victim seems to take a back seat to the antagonist. Bobby Joe did nothing to provoke this heinous act. You have to figuratively draw a line in the sand at some point & say this is unacceptable no matter what “issues” the person has or what may have happened to them in their past, or else everything can be lost into the ether. That’s where the facts of the case come in & makes this premeditated:
1. Melvern to Skidmore is 176 miles (roughly 2.75 hrs 1 way-it’s not spontaneous)
2. Trauma & other mental illness diagnosis (mitigating factors) weren’t fully revealed to the jury until after Montgomery’s conviction by her appeal lawyers (not claiming it didn’t happen, however it’s suspicious waiting for a conviction to break out the sob story)
3. Mental illness isn’t quantified - the state uses a modified version of the M'Naghten Rule for legal insanity; the defendant either didn’t understand what he/she did, or failed to distinguish right from wrong, because of a "disease of mind"; the burden of proof lies upon the defendant.
4. Montgomery planned via chat room & emails prior to the attack using an alias to set-up a contact appt with Bobbie Jo reg. her puppies
5. Montgomery brought along a DIY cesarean section kit to the crime scene
6. Lied to multiple people, including family & initial FBI agents with a explanation of why she didn’t contact anyone while giving birth (including her 2nd husband/which for liability reasons a hospital will not allow that to occur-drive home afterwards)
7. These were not acts of someone with “brain damage” & this just scratches the surface
Side note, if someone suffers from pseudocyesis that wouldn’t lead to them to become violent towards someone else; IMO this was a defense ploy to give some psycho-babble explanation of why she lied as an excuse. I don’t care why she did it, it’s done. The punishment should fit the crime & it has. People are going to jump on the abuse claim train, others have suffered through horrible abuse crimes & haven’t committed violent acts like this. Criminal fetal abduction does occur although rare it’s always shocking.
I appreciate the well thought out comment. We had to delete a couple nasty comments since we released this, a couple that said we weren't forgiving enough on Lisa Montgomery or because we didn't specifically declare that "she shouldn't receive the death penalty." When we did this episode we wanted to lay out information in this case as clearly and completely as possible, without leaving anything out, and without injecting our personal feelings on the case. Too often we get really horrible comments that we give our personal opinions on cases and we wanted to try to just be factual this time. Given what you wrote, you might be surprised to know that we agree with you more than you think. There's a reason why we spent a lot of time humanizing Bobbie Jo at the beginning and talking about who she was, and why I stressed the factors of premeditation. I may delete this reply after you read it, just to keep our personal opinion detached from the episode, but I felt given the time you took to write us, that you deserved to know our feelings on the case - Drewby
@@TheMiseryMachine I understand & appreciate it; don’t let the internet trolls censor speech especially when their clearly wrong, I ignore them & let them have their tantrums (like a 2 Y/O).
@@TheMiseryMachine 10:21 yes you can miscarry a twin, my mother did with my little brother. It can only happen if the embryos are in separate eggs though, so only with fraternal twins
I agree. I think that while discussing whether capital punishment is good or bad, we have to remember that all murder cases leave behind a family in trauma and a person who will never come back, and the perpetrator's own issues pale into comparison beside the issues faced by the families left behind. I lost my husband to cancer 4 years ago, and the crater in my life his death left behind is huge -- I miss him dearly even though I got to say goodbye and he even chose to go -- we were on the hospice waiting list for a week and he held on to get somewhere comfortable, away from the awful communal wards of an NHS hospital (seriously folks, single payer healthcare isn't actually the luxury you think it is. Six of one, half a dozen of another, as they say.) I can't begin to imagine Zeb's pain, or what the daughter here went through.
I'm not a fan of capital punishment and it was abolished in the UK in the 60s. But in cases like these where the crime can be proven beyond the point of obviousness and where the facts of the case are so heinous as to be beyond the pale of, say, a crime of passion for which the perp shows immediate remorse, the death penalty gives the victims of the crime a way of exacting actual justice for the crime. Honestly, the more I listen, the more it seems that in cruel and unusual cases, the more I just shrug at the mention of it.
Also, the insanity defence ignores the millions of people with psychoses that don't go on to be a danger to others. I've experienced psychosis myself, but luckily I had insulation from the outside world in which to deal with it. But many, many others go through trauma, abuse and other triggers of mental health issues later in life, plus others with mental health issues that grow up in normal happy homes and with causes that are all internal. The insanity defence increases stigma against those with mental illness in the long run. (However, I do get that insanity only mitigates the punishment, rather than avoids it altogether.) Blaming Montgomery's crimes on insanity or abuse ends up throwing shade on all those who survive abuse and go on to rebuild. Again, it's really, really hard to have sympathy. It's not easy shouldering the burden of mental and neurological problems, but most of us have some kind of struggle in our own lives and come out of it without actually killing people.
This is definitely not to throw shade on you guys at the Misery Machine! I love your podcasts, I have listened to them for a while now (I got hooked while I was off work with flu because I didn't have to watch the videos to get a lot out of them!) and you are doing these totally out of love for the victims, disgust at the perpetrators and to raise awareness. I want to chip in a few pounds but am waiting for a slight raise in my budget to do that. I hope to be able to do that soon because you do God's work here. (I just came back from the US and y'all are so friendly and lovely, particularly to disabled me. I wish I could spend longer with you!)
Best of luck for the future and give your kitties a belly-rub from this British Americophile!
Vanishing Twin Syndrome occurs when a person is pregnant with twins or multiple fetuses but miscarries one of them. It’s called “vanishing” twin syndrome because the twin essentially disappears in the uterus--so yes its completely possible to lose one baby and carry one successfully to term
Sad- damn. We had a neighbor that was around 25 weeks with twins- they were told the boy was deceased and they would need to remove the dead one- the surviving one was too small to survive birth. The parents were not extremely religious but felt that the doctor was going to force an abortion and put the procedure off due to their beliefs. Toxemia set in and by the time they were decided to go to the specialist 400 miles away they arrived to be told both fetus's had now passed. I dont know that if she had lost him earlier on that her body would have just absorbed him, I know an ectopic pregnancy is often left to be re-absorbed in the body with some sort of Tcell inections.
Oh no
I mean technically when you have a c-section your supposed to stay 72 hrs. With my 4th child 3rd c-section I was out in like 30 hrs but It's rare
You can, I was pregnant with twins and lost one at 3 months -- it does happen
Very late to the party because I just found your channel, but yes twins can die very early into pregnancy and either cease development and be born with the surviving twin and placenta, or be reabsorbed. Depends on how late the death occurs. Hard to describe but, as a twin that was born with the extra umbilical cord and no twin, it's very possible. (Other fetus died at around 6-8 weeks and while the umbilical developed more, the fetus did not. Source is a picture/mom's doc/dad's story.)
I just saw this video, and I have given birth twice. The first time I was there for days n days but there were complications. The second one, I placed her for adoption. I was in labor for 24 hours n was released from the hospital 5 hours later n the baby n her adoptive parents stayed for 3 more days. The mother, as long as all goes to plan, can be released that day. Not the baby though. They have lots of tests n birth certs n everything to do before the baby can leave. The mother usually stays too until the baby can go home, unless it's a premie n needs to stay longer. 🖤🧡
Birthing centers do exist. My understanding is, expecting mothers do go there for prenatal care. Once in labor, mothers, and couples go there for a different birthing experience, something between a home birth and hospital. A YT creator made videos about it
No you don't have to stay in 24 hrs. I've had 3 children & I know w/ my middle son I didn't stay in a full 24 hrs. I went in around 630-7 o'clock in the evening and had him@ 2:22A.m and I was able to go home that afternoon. I'm assuming though that it depends on each individual person ad what their labor was like.
10:44 occasionally, one twin will absorb the other
I have had 6 kids and every time. I have had to stay in hospital at least 3 days.
A retroverted uterus can cause an undetected pregnancy. We had a woman once (heavy, but not so much that a baby would be unnoticed) give birth in a toilet in the ER when I worked there. She was so panicked, but the baby made it and as far as I know it's was able to live with her. It wasn't a neglect issue, it was because of how her uterus sat hiding the pregnancy even from her.
You can have it where one twin is weak and your body can’t support both and the stronger baby basically “consumes” or merges with the other but this is usually very early on in pregnancy. Actually there is an extremely rare condition that’s named after the legendary chimera where a set of fraternal twins, ends up only being 1 baby because the situation above happens however the surviving baby has 2 sets of dna. Meaning blood, and spit are one twins and the sperm is actually the others.
I was pregnant with twins in 1999. They said my living son had “absorbed” the other one. We tell everyone he ate his twin!