I walked into a dealership and told the sales guy that I was "going to buy a car today". When we couldn't reach a deal and I started to leave he said "I thought you said you were buying a car today." My reply was "I didn't say I was going to buy it here."
Buddy Fennell thanks. definitely miss him.. he was also find of saying "and if a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump it's ass on the ground".. also "horsecock!" In place of bullshit. Retired army Colonel.. had a bunch of colorful sayings
I've always said, "You can break even watching TV", meaning you won't get ripped off if you don't enter into any kind of agreement. I like your Grampa's version more.
@@jseden Yeah, I remember the "frog" phrase from the movie Raising Arizona with Nicholas Cage. "If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass-a-hoppin". 😂 Your grandpa was a classic old timer.
When I bought my last car, I negotiated the price of the car first. I said I wasn't sure if I wanted to trade in or have 2 cars. I also had my own financing through a credit union. When it came to my trade, I had already decided I needed $6500. I asked for $8000. They told me they couldn't pay $8000 because they'd never sell it for $10,000. I stood up and said if I couldn't get $8000 I couldn't afford the vehicle and I might as well leave. He played the whole, "let me talk to the manager" schtick. He came back and I got $7200 for my trade. A week later, I got on their website and my car was listed at $11,500. These guys are snakes but it is possible to get a decent deal. I'd say the number one thing is, don't get emotional and don't let your excitement for a new car turn you into a sucker. Be prepared to leave. That paper isn't a contract so it means fuck all even if you initial it.
I went around to all the dealers around here collecting trade in offers for my truck. One dealer had the car I wanted, checked the VIN on KBB and saw it was priced 4k under market value (it's been on their lot for over 100 days), and when time came for trade in appraisal I told them 44k or Im outta here. They finally came back and said they could do 43k. Took the deal. The truck is listed for 45.5 and has been sitting on their lot for awhile now.
You think their not going to make a profit on a trade in? Do you not know how a business is ran? Plus if they had to do any work, routine maintenance, detail. Pay their workers , commission for the sales guy, pay the electric bill to keep all the lights on… and still make profit from that??
It's not a snake deal. If you knew more about ACV value and clean trade retail fair market etc.... every dealership knows someone is gonna come in and negotiate price you set it for a fair price that way while it's being taxed on the lot you have aome room for error. Stop complaining about a profit the US moves on profits. There is a difference between getting ripped off and coming to an agreement.
I've been an auto mechanic for over 20 years. Many of the problems I see daily could have easily been avoided by simply following the vehicles maintenance schedule. I use a program on my computer called Automotive Wolf car care software to keep track of all the maintenance for my 3 cars, a truck and even a generator. It automatically can send you text message reminders when any type of service is due. Two of my vehicles have over 200,000 miles and have never needed any repairs. Want to save money? Follow your maintenance schedule!
Charles Hummer I am ? Like I really do try to help my customers out. I drive an hour to get to my job and love working there. It’s way better than being a factory supervisor like I was before. I think it depends whether your going to a big dealership or an independent dealership.
Went to a dealer last week. The finance guy offered me a loan at $350/mo. I asked what the interest rate was. As if it didn't matter he said the rate was 5 or 6%. I told him my credit union already approved me at 3.25%. He said "oh, I can do that".
Never Ever finance through the dealership. They will get deals with banks, and then add points on the interest rate. Always get pre approval from your bank or credit union before going to buy , then finance through them !
My daughter learned the hard way a few weeks ago. I went with her and was not nice to anyone at the dealership, I knew she wasn’t getting a great deal but she didn’t care- she was happy enough. Fast forward a week- we were waxing her car and she popped the trunk, only to find some lug nuts in a package. She asked” what are these?” “ they’re the factory lug nuts; the dealer took them off and replaced them with locking ones.” I said “ remember those fees I was bitching about? The ones you said I was being unreasonable about? The dealer charged you $495 dollars for those... you could have bought them for $30 and did it yourself.” Point made. Mic drop. Suddenly, I’m a genius
and one golden rule, if something doesn't feel right, dont be afraid to walk away. Remember, they need you more than you need them. you as a customer have the power.
@@iamnormal8648 as long as you know their tricks, you can beat this game. here are few tips: 1. Never tell them that you want a specific car. always make it look like you don't care what you buy as long as you have reliable car. even if you are a car enthusiast. that keeps them on the edge because they are thinking that you can change your mind. 2. Always tell them you are only here for quote because you are going to check out another couple of cars from a different manufacturer and you ll make you decision based on that. Then they know you will walk away to look at the car and once you are outta that door they have no control over the situation, so they ll bend backwards to keep you in their store. ( this is the best one because i have used it many times when i went to negotiate with my friends). 3.always arrange your own finance before you go in, but don't tell them that you already have it sorted. because otherwise they ll start to adjust to that straight away. listen to their offer and if you feel like you are ok with the vehicle price, then just tell them you have your own finance. 4. Be friendly, but keep some barrier between the salesman, because they ll try to act like they are your friends, make them work hard for your "trust" question anything if you need to. remember they need "You" to spend your money so they can get their Fat paycheck.
@@iamnormal8648 Also try to see if you can get a good 2nd hand car privately, because a new car is always going to lose money. i have been changing and upgrading my cars almost every year. its my 9th car in 11 years and i always get a 2nd hand car below market value form someone wanting to sell it quickly. it could be that they are moving away or they have other various reasons. so if you can get a car lower than the average price privately, you can potentially upgrade your car every couple of years and still sell yours on a good price since you brought is cheaper to start it. it is a bit of work and requires hunting. but with time and patience it works. just cut dealers out of equation all together
Walked in in September, test drive 2017 Beamer...1 hour later drove out ... paid in full. The guy who dealt with us tried his very best to push tire maintenance, while car service for 2 years etc etc etc...altogether would have added $3 Grand to the price we bought the car...with taxes and everything, we walked out $1,400 more with taxes and registration and whatever else!!!! They were mad
I was sooooo happy i got declined buying a 2019 Honda accord for 26k because i just moved to the US and had 640 credit score with 6 months credit history. Now im driving a 2014 fully functional toyota corolla LE i bought and haggled for 6.5k from this guy with clean title and single owner.
I love how it's all wine and roses with the salesman then, waterboarding and red hot pokers in the financing office. "You really need to seriously consider getting the extended warranty." "Why?! Are you selling me a piece of shit?!" The number one tip in a dealership; never hesitate to simply get up and walk out.
I've done exactly That, and the salesman call me on my cell phone min later when I was on the freeway and try to get me to come back to the dealership.
I've only owned 2 vehicles in my driving years and have never bought them at a dealership; my Mexican dad says those are for suckers....I see now he was right all along....he didn't go to school but those street smarts win out in the end!
I'd have to agree. Over the years we've bought 2 vehicles from dealerships. In both situations the sales people were actually reasonable to deal with, i.e. willing to negotiate price as well as trade in value and they weren't overly pushy about adding one or anything either. But man it was a completely different story with the financial officers. One of them literally yelled at us because we refused to buy an extended warranty they were trying to to push on us for thousands of dollars. Thankfully I had the experience of knowing my dad once got an extended warranty from a dealership, and it literally never covered anything that broke on that car so I knew they were a waste of money and kept saying no no matter what this person said or did.
None of the dealerships I dealt with used the 4 square method....they used the all-the-numbers-mixed-up-in-a-single-column-so-I-couldn't-tell-what-was-going-on method. Equally effective.
Step 1: don't mention that you are trading in a vehicle until you agree on a price of the car you are buying. Step 2: determine your trade value ahead of time and don't budge. Step 3. Get preapproved credit for the amount you want to finance at a fixed rate and tell them that after you agree on the trade and purchase. Step 4: offer to get up and walk out if they find any of this disagreeable. Chances are if its the last week of the month and they have spent several hours negotiating and test driving, you can get your price. I have walked out of dealerships after 4 hours and taken all the numbers to a different dealership and had the second dealership agree immediately to what I am offering.
@@jeffruck7757 Most of the time its "fair" condition when you look at how the assessment system works. The problem is that car dealers try and create a large margin on used vehicle sales by offering such low value on trade ins.
as far as trade value is concerned, be intelligent enough to understand you can't trade for a retail value, that is a number you can expect if you sell the vehicle yourself and the vehicle is in top notch condition. Trade or wholesale value is a more realistic number.
Thank you. Every young person should watch this. I filed a lawsuit against a car dealer, he threatened me and had me followed. I posted it online, 9 other women came forward. A nightmare.
Marko, I agree with everything you say here- I spent a year at a dealership and saw this too. However, I studied Advertising in my business degree and learned this process is all about EMOTION. If you go to buy a car and you are emotionally invested, all these tricks from the dealer will work on you. My #1 rule in buying cars is to be ready to WALK no matter what they do. EMOTIONS= EASY SALE
I was definitely able to walk when my price wasn't right even with the boss coming in lol I was like well if its meant for me It will be here and I drove off
In 2015 for the first time I went directly through my credit union to purchased a used car. Called them up, gave them the car details, and within 10 minutes I was approved with the lowest interest rate I'd ever had on a car note. I went to pick up the check the next business day. Handed it to the dealership finance manager and only had to wait around to fill out paperwork for tags/title and get my car detailed. The most hassle-free and worry-free car-buying experience I ever had, and this was my 8th car.
@@y_rb4080 I've traded many vehicles for more than I could have sold privately. People need financing and dealers don't verify income like credit unions so they have a much larger buyer pool than any private seller.
@@2010drive Totally makes sense and I agree. Im just saying you could most probably sell a vehicle at a higher price point compared to the one offered by a dealership by a trade in if you have the patience to wait it out.
@@2001chevycamaross Solid points mate. Cannot stress enough the importance of having the value of your car nailed down and a pre-qualification in your pocket.
Been in the business for 26 years. While the 4 square is old style of selling, it still happens. And it is designed to beat the 5% of customers not educated enough to see through the crap. As soon as the salesperson or manager presents anything that looks like this, get up and leave. Go home and visit 3 dealers via internet and get your pricing that way. Beware if one guy is thousands lower than the other two guys, he is probably just trying to get you in the door. Then use an online calculator to figure payments. This is not a difficult process. I also see a bunch of comments telling people to sell their car on their own. This is generally a smart way to do it. But there are two things to watch out for. If you car is junk, just trade it in. You don't want or need strangers calling you at all hours of the night and day. Think of your safety. Too dangerous in this world now. Besides, let the dealer take the responsibility for anything that is wrong. If you sell a car that "unknowingly" has a bad trans and someone just shelled out their last $2,500 to buy it, you can bet you will be getting a call from that person. No dealership in the world is going to call you after the fact and want money from you because the used car manager missed the bad transmission. Second, if you decide to sell private party, make sure you get enough over the dealership offer to cover the loss of taxes. When you trade in (in most states), you will also get a tax credit for that amount. $10k car traded in is worth $10,700 private party if you have a tax rate of 7%. I saw someone get $30,000 for their car from me only to sell it private party for $31,000 and think they won. At 7% tax, they just lost $1,100 (tax savings on $30k is $2,100). 85% of all salespeople out there are decent guys and gals. If they are transparent with their dealings, and are willing to answer questions and back up their statements with solid math, there is no reason to not trust them. The really smart ones will be honest. I can sell one person, rip them off, and make a bunch for myself. Or I can take very good care of them, make a little, but then sell the wife, the children, the neighbor, the boss, and even their vet and make a lot more doing it the honest way. And now I have 5 more people passing along my name instead of one going on facebook and bashing me.
Good advice. I graduated in 1973 with a bachelors in Finance, spent 26 years in commercial leasing and lending, then went into subprime auto finance for one of the largest banks in the world for 12 years working with Finance Managers at Dealerships. I'd buy their sales contracts, administer the loan and collect the money, repo it if necessary. I've been retired 10 years and the market has changed because both the manufacturers and dealers have more difficulty moving cars. AlMOST EVERY CAR PHYSICALLY IS BEAT TO DEATH AND HAS NO VALUE AT 84 MONTHS (except for granddad's) It was a stretch at 72 months but the only way to get a payment the customer can afford has been to extend the term of the loan. That means the customer is paying the same rate of interest for 7 years. Auto Finance dealers will accept the trade in as the "down" unless the total of the customer's payments on the trade in car's financing are greater than the Kelly Blue Book Wholesale Value. If that occurs, the customer is "upside down" and he is severely limited in the "amount of car " he can buy. If the trade is used for down, then lenders look at 15-20% of the "if sold" price of the car to be purchased. If you go on Kelly Blue Book dot com and plug in your car's information, they will ask you questions about the condition of your car. They rate it from Excellent down to poor. You'll have a better idea of what the dealer will offer based on the Kelly number. If you have a "beater" car, good luck. When a customer drives into the dealership he may see 1000 cars on the lot. The salesman will qualify him on monthly payment. Let's say it's $400. That means the customer will have a selection of maybe 10-20 cars on the lot that the salesman will try to sell him. if the car lot has 7 used Ford Escorts and 2 used Toyota Corollas, the salesman is going to push him to the Ford Escort. Another factor that determines which car the customer sees is the length of time it has been on the lot. If its been there 60 days the sales manager is breathing down the necks of his people. If the car has been there 30 days, not so much. Based on the credit and payment history of the borrower, an auto finance company will pay from 100% to 120% of the "if sold price" to the dealer. This will cover tax, title and license for the car. The Auto Finance guy will try to sell a Guaranteed Asset Protection Contract or GAP which will pay off the car if you are hit by an uninsured motorist and/or don't have adequate coverage from your insurance company. In some instances, this is not a bad idea if you have a large sales price on a big SUV or a large payment. Some insurance won't pay sufficient amounts to pay off the loan and you're left with the remainder. The Finance Guy will also try to sell a service warranty that will cover certain expensive repair items. The older the car, the closer the attention to making a decision on it should be made. Don't buy "premium lug nuts," "competition floor mats" or "chrome muffler bearings." These are add-on aftermarket profit centers for the dealership. The finance company won't finance them. Read your contract before you sign. Ask questions if you don't understand. The Finance guy will be pissed off but he's making money on you so be ready to walk if you don't like anything. DON'T GIVE THEM THE KEYS TO YOUR TRADE IN UNTIL YOU'VE SIGNED THE NEW CONTRACT AND HAVE KEYS TO THE NEW CAR. If the dealer has possession of your car it puts them in the position to put max pressure on you to close the deal regardless of how bad it is for you. They are adept at ripping arms and legs off of customers. Your credit score will drive your interest rate. The auto finance companies send out "programs" with rate sheets and terms and conditions, advance % and other things that could determine where the auto finance manager sends your deal for pre approval. No matter what the call back is, the finance manager is trained to call the auto finance company to "rehash" the deal. Finance manager training courses spend an entire morning on the rehash call. So, those guys are loaded for bear when they call back. The auto finance manager might put your pre-approval out to 4 or 5 different lenders, depending on program fit and the lender's appetite. Sometimes if a dealer has sold too many deals to a lender that go bad and the car is repossessed, then the finance companies get skittish. Lending company reps are in and out of dealers several times a week structuring deals with them. The dealer says in placing deals, "I'll give you these 5 premium deals but you have to take these 2 dogs along with them." There is a lot of give and take that is always changing. Bottom line, be happy with the deal you buy along with the car you buy. You will have them for at least 3 years (average time between trades) and if either one of them is bad for you, it will grind on you every time you turn the ignition.
You mentioned that a dealership would never call you back on your trade and say something about the condition after the deal. I had one do just that. I traded in a Camaro that had cat claw scratches all over the hood, roof, and decklid. It looked really bad, except when it was wet. You couldn't even see them if it was raining. I had my eye on a Trans Am, and the salesman was calling me daily and bugging me to come in and do a deal. I waited until it was raining, and they gave me what I thought was fair on the trade, so I made the deal and drove away in my new (used) Trans Am. The next day when it had quit raining, that jerk actually called me and told me "hey, this car is all scratched up. You need to come back in so we can re-negotiate the deal because I am going to lose on this trade... I told him I was having buyers remorse, (really wasnt.. I loved my Trans Am...) and if I came back in, I would likely give him the Trans Am back. He said I couldn't do that because I signed the contract. So I told him to go "F" himself. It felt good to get one over on them for once, even though I am sure they still made a bunch of money even with a loss on the trade.
Traded in a hard driven, cracked windshield, missing trim stained carpet, bald tires, missed services basically very poorly maintained car and the dealer gave me a remarkable trade-in deal on the same vehicle but a newer model. The new vehicle was a one-price with a 5-day lowest price guarantee. They put numbers down on paper, I asked for a specific APR, they worked in a number within 0.5% of my request, then off to financing. I said no in advance to everything except for gap insurance. Bought the car for a smaller down and monthly payment than my calculations before visiting the dealership. I'm still in denial that I might have gotten an outstanding deal, lots of credit to this video for helping me prepare.
Bought wrecked 2012 Audi with 25k miles , fixed, took it to a dealer, got extended warranty up to 100k miles. Drove s@it out of it until warranty expired and sold it to private rental company for over $1k more I bought it for. Reason it was BLACK just like they need it. Cheers
@@kckunkun - No no no. Bought the car in 2006 brand new. Paid it off early. The Accord looks and drives like the day I bought it. Radio button is worn down but that is so minor I forget about my horrible channel surfing affliction.
I've bought cars for many ppl in my family and I truly believe I got better deals than most folks can. Never trade-in a car at the dealership. Sell the car privately, take that money and use that towards down payment. You're somewhat right on most of these Marko. But I'll give some more pointers: 1. Do thorough research on the car you want to buy. Compare prices between dealers and private sale price for that car. By this time, you should get a ballpark idea of overpriced and good priced deals. 2. I'm going to argue with Marko about "bring your own financing". That doesn't work anymore as most dealership can beat your own finance and use that against you. Ex: You bring your pre-approval that's 4.5% APR. Dealers probably would have given you 2.9% but now since they saw your 4.5%, they'll offer you 4% and say we can give you a better interest rate than your bank! 3. However, do get pre-approved to see if you qualify but keep that to yourself. (carry the pre-approval with you and use it in the END if dealers won't give you better APR) 4. Go to dealership END of the month... maybe last 2-3 days of the month because they are desperate to meet their sales goal. 5. Do not go on WEEKENDS, go on a rainy weekday where there won't be much customers. Which means they need the sale. 6. Like Marko said, never negotiate "monthly payment", negotiate the price of the car. if you done your research, you should already know how much your monthly cost would be. 7. Haggle them in every situation. Offer low price, offer Drive-out price (out-the-door). 8. If they don't give you the car for the price you are asking and you want to agree to what they offered, say "OK, I'll accept that ONLY if you include.. XXXX. That means you can ask for extended warranty, 1-year maintenance, accessories..etc..whatever you want, try to get them with the included price. 9. Never be afraid to WALK-OUT of the deal if they don't accept your price. Either they'll call you back or you'll lose the deal. You'll find same or better deal elsewhere. 10. You control them, they do NOT control you. remember that. You're the one with the power. One last thing, dealership does LOSE money sometimes. They'll sell some cars on negative to meet sales goal and quotas. So yes, you can get an amazing deal!
eX.Gaming I agree, but at times, trading in can save substantially on taxes since you'll save that $$ off the new car purchase. Do the math before hand. This is particularly true if you're in a high tax state where taxes on new purchase can be 7% or higher. But the key is to discuss and disclose trade , if you go this route , well after you've locked in price of new car.
That's true on used cars. on new cars, the dealer is paying interest to the manufacturer as if they own that vehicle on their lot. As the interest costs climb, they have to get back that money they've paid in interest to the car company by way of a higher sales price, giving them less room to make a great deal. It's a double edged sword.@MissBttrsctch
I'm a salesman and can tell you this buying a car is no different than going to Wal mart and buying food or clothes. They just like any store are open to make money. The car world is not what it was 20 years ago before internet.
I went to a dealership a few years ago and told the salesman that I was just looking for a new toy. He asked what my budget was, and I said $30k max. I didn't mind doing that, because I know what cars are worth, and I've been around the block enough times that I'm not going to get suckered in. We ended up test-driving a 500hp supercharged Shelby Mustang that I KNEW was well over $30k, but I just wanted to see where this would go. Lol... so we sit down in his cube, and he tells me that he can get me into the car for $41k. He tried to pull all kinds of tricks to make me think that it wasn't that much different than $30k (you know, because numbers don't really MEAN anything...). I ended up walking out. He called me for like two weeks after that, and I finally told him, "Look, dude. I was ready to spend 30 grand on something I don't even need. You could have made an easy sale, but instead you got greedy. So now you don't get shit. And stop calling me." 😆
That's biggest problem with dealerships. Inexperienced sales people that never get proper training. You told him your budget and he's wasting time showing a car way above your budget. A good sales person would have never let you test drive a vehicle that was over your budget.
Had a similar experience. Saw a 2015 mustang gt with only 700 miles on it. I setup an appointment to test drive. I get there and they immediately have me test drive a brand new 2019 gt and a 2019 roush. I told him I wasn't here for that and he responds well we just want you to see what else was available. So I test drove them and when I was done he asked "so what do you think? Want to talk numbers?"... I said "yeah, on the 2015 i originally came to test drive! I can afford the other 2 but i dont want to pay that. So either give me numbers on the 2015gt or I'm out!". He realized their little try to up sale game wasnt working and threw away the numbers he had the finance guy work up while I was test driving the other two. I think he realized I was on the verge of getting pissed off so tightened up and finally let me test drive the 2015 and gave me numbers on it.
@@IamBlackMagic03 The funny thing is he was actually down selling you as far it effects the dealership because there is more profit on used than new. They may have had the Roush marked up but the new 2019 GT would have made them nothing since those are a dime a dozen and have little mark up. Used is where they make the money. On average dealers lose between $100 to $200 per new car. They can make an average of $2,000 to $3,000 on used cars. By having you drive new over the used one you were interested in, the salesman was costing himself money where had you bought the new he would have only made his mini deal which ranges between $75 to $150 commission depending on dealership vs an average of 25% commission on $2,000 to $3,000 on used where he could make $500 to $750 commission selling the used vs a mini deal making between $75 to $150 selling the used. Just another case on an inexperienced sales person that was never properly trained.
@@johnlyn1 Realtors do the exact same thing to homebuyers. Their goal is to drain you of every last penny they can squeeze from your pre-approved lender amount. If you can afford $500K, don't tell them that, if you want a house for $300K; tell them that $300K is your absolute ceiling. Just because you are lender pre-approved for a certain amount, don't max it out, that's just as dumb as maxing out your credit cards for the next 15-30 years and only making monthly payments! Every deal is designed to enslave you for the longest term possible to milk you for everything you're worth to the dealer during that negotiation.
Marco, Wanted to leave a comment to thank you for this video! My wife and I were first time car buyers and we used the advice from this video to get a deal that we were very happy with. We really didn’t know exactly what we were getting into, being first time car buyers, but after watching your videos we were not surprised by any of the tactics the sales people gave us. We ended up walking out of the dealership because they were not at the number we wanted and as soon as we got down the road they gave us a call offering the OTD price we wanted. So I just wanted to leave a comment saying thank you for the video, it really helped!!
I did that with my Saturn Ion many years ago. It's a 2006. Paid it off in 4 years and still driving it today. Has 165k miles now. The day I paid it off was a great feeling!
If you have the cash to buy the car today, sometimes it worth getting a loan at the dealership with a higher interest rate but with added incentives to bring the price of the car down and just pay the loan off the following month.
Thank you Marko for this video. I don't buy trucks often but I have this video saved and every single time one of my friends talks about buying a car, I send them this video.
I told this guy who was selling me the payment, and not the price. He was very Adamant. I told him that I’m not buying a payment. and that’s all they would discuss. So, i went and got my own financing from my bank, and boy did that make them mad! I bought that Jeep well below it’s value! Know the basics!!!
@Brian Rakestraw, Same! They DO get so mad! I didn’t realize that until today I bought a Chevy Malibu. Got pre-approved by a bank and all I needed from the dealer was a purchase order. F&I manager guy tried to act super important but couldn’t. Because I had done his job😂😂😂 he treated me like a piece of shit but I didn’t care. I didn’t try to find friends. I found a good car. Lol
Just remember these dealership guys do this several times a day, but you probably only do it once every few years. They get a lot more practice than you do. Beware.
in 2017 i bought a 2016 corolla. i already had my own financing lined up through my bank. it was golden to see the finance guy.. he turned nearly every shade of red when i said i have my own financing. :) it was wonderful. i loved every moment of it.
As a former salesman, If you do decide to finance a car, don’t focus on the payments. They will distract you with what you want your payments to be but never drop the actual sticker price down.
So you already made all your money and trying to fuck over everybody else getting into the car business by telling people they’re all trying to scam you, ect. Maybe a small amount of salesman are pos but majority are just trying to feed their family like everybody else. Salesman also need to make money.
@@romanshevy257 lmfaoo the stupidity in that comment is comedy🤦🏽♂️😂 giving people something they’ve dreamed of for a good price while also helping the salesmen out isn’t beneficial for both parties? Dude you probably work at a grocery store or some shit stop acting like you’re saving the world with your job
I live in the far north. The dealers automatically add paint sealant (minimum wage employee that waxes your car) for $350, scotchguard ($7.50) for $300, rustproofing (they do nothing; the galvanized body last longer than guarantee) for $1500 and free lifetime oil changes. The $2150 added to the sticker price is how they lower the price (even though they have maybe $15 into it), plus the "fake" repairs they find to be done with oil changes adds thousands. I know.....I used to work in one. Their favorite things to "add" during oil changes are transmission lines ($600-700$) and water pumps ($700-$1000). Almost every car that comes through ends up "needing" these within the first 3 years and they always find them during the "free" oil changes.
My experience at dealerships being scammed they have convinced me it is less expensive to just repair older vehicles than give a dealership a third of my monthly income.
haha, worked as a mechanic for several dealerships in my 20s.. this is so flipping true. I have tried to train my family and friends on these angles... only a few have ever listened to me.
If there weren't so many stupid people who fall for their scams, they wouldn't get away with it. I'm having to do without a car because I refuse to be SCAMMED.
So if I'm looking at a used car from a Toyota dealership what should I do? I haven't banked with a credit union since 2014, can I get them to finance something for me even if I don't bank with them?
Easy ways to fix this. Always sell your own vehicle. If you can get your own financing And never look at montly payments, ALWAYS LOOK AT THE end price of the vehicle they are trying to sell you. Just today I went into a dealer and they literally refused to sell me a car when they knew they couldn’t scam me out.
I'm running into this now. Looking for a bigger vehicle to accommodate a bigger family and I go right past the monthly payments into price, or I figure out what the monthly payments add up to and adjust it down to whatever price I wanted plus reasonable interest. They dont budge and I just walk away. Used car prices are nuts right now.
That's crazy! I noticed for a few years now that I have to really push to get a price for the vehicle and not a monthly payment number! So insulting and annoying
I’ve sold cars at 5 different dealers and all played these games causing me to fail because of my honesty and transparency. I left the business but was blessed with finding a single spot, family owned dealership that presents all information upfront, no 4 square B.S and full transparency. It is the ideal place to work with, because of our honest ways unfortunately customers still follow the low low prices most dealers (that play these games) advertise to drag you in. But i can sleep at night with where I work. But yes, you see a 4 square worksheet presented to you, get ready to play their games!
C Conner thanks 🙏 hard part is when customers leave and fall trap to other dealerships misleading online prices. I just hope that I can make a living doing this job. I do enjoy it but it’s rough.
I "purchased" a 1995, Accord EX (used) back in the day. I was abused deliberately regarding their Financing which was outrageous. I advised the Sales/Finance Dept. that would I acquire a loan through my bank which was significantly lower than the Nazi Dealership P.O.S.(s). This aforementioned scenario was disturbing and insulting. Never will I purchase any vehicle from a Dealership again.
I have been in the car business for 12 years and did leave a dealership that I couldn't work for because of their practices. Now I have found a home at an honest dealership and have been there for 7 years. It's unfortunate what shady dealerships have done to the car industry because I do love what I do and helping people. The problem I run into now is the stereotypes associated with our profession and the general public's perception that if we make any money selling them a car then they didn't get a good deal. More and more people come in wanting to know what our bottom dollar price is and seem to get offended when we may not be able to discount our vehicles thousands of dollars. I guess I could be more understanding if we could walk into furniture stores, clothing stores, grocery stores, etc. and pay their invoice pricing. I have a family to take care of and pay taxes like the next person, so I think it's perfectly ok for us to make a money selling cars.
I remember buying my car 2 years ago, out the door price 32,290. Come signing papers, it was 35,000. I asked the dealer what happened, he said " oh the taxes and fees blah blah", and I did the math right in front of him and showed him it didn't add up and he left and returned with the correct amount.
Yes I got screwed too. I've been looking over my paperwork on my current car and it has the wrong interest rate and the base price was higher than what I saw online. I had no idea they would screw me like that. Lesson learned.
A car I like 26500 on sticker . Then they want 30020 after all is done and less then half on KBB on trade in . That's why Mercedes dealer make 100k plus a year. Biggest waste of money
The truth? About what, how dealerships make money? What's his next video about, how the grocery store "rips" you off by making money? He didn't explain how the dealership rips you off, he only explained how they make their money. I can't believe people expect a business to sell them something and NOT make a profit.
@@Andrewkc1969 It's the difference between buying a $200 dollar mattress for $400 instead of $999. It's not that people don't expect others to make a living from profit, but noone likes being taken to the cleaners for unethical price tags! It's the whole matter of intrinsic value vs. perceived value. Actual value vs perceived value In layman's terms, the real (or actual) value is what the product is actually worth, without any outside expectations from the consumer or seller. Perceived (or intangible) value is what consumers think the product is actually worth. Marketers create intangible value to make up (greedily profit) for real value.
I just passed this video and the 7 car scams to avoid video onto a girl friend of mine who is going to be buying a new or used car next week. I told her "watch these videos before you go car shopping!!!" and she promised she would. So thank you for doing these.
I worked as a banker for 9 months and we had a similar sales approach to our loans and credit cards. I hated it so much. Guess I didnt have the fortitude to knowingly rip old or broke people off. I quit.
They're all brokers aka sales agents and the only lender is you because it's your signature on the promissory note, the Banksters never sign to be liable for anything. The dealer is going to transfer aka sell/assign your documents and promissory note aka bond over to the Banksters who are really brokerage insurance/assurance companies calling themselves investors. It's all fraud!!!
This needs to go viral !!! I’m 60 yrs old now, and i was laughing at this video because it reminded me of my younger self many years ago getting ripped off on car deals.
Separate your transactions. You're doing 3 things, not one. You're selling a car, borrowing money, and buying a car. If you do all three things at the same time, you give the dealership the power to leverage one aspect of the deal against another. 1. Do your prep work. Know what your car is worth. Get printouts of the Carfax and Edmonds and Kelley Blue Book values for it. Figure out which car you want to buy (including trim level). Find out the MSRP, the book value, and the actual selling price in the area. Also call a few dealerships to ask what the extended warranty costs. Decide before you ever leave your house whether or not you're getting an extended warranty. Shop for rates on a loan with several banks and credit unions. 2. Go to a bank or credit union and get pre approved for a loan under terms that you're comfortable with. 3. Go to the dealership and haggle down the price of the car to what you're comfortable with. Close the deal and fill out the paperwork. 4. After you have the keys in hand, tell the dealer: "On second thought, maybe I do need to sell my old car. I can't drive them both home. Here's the Carfax on it and the Edmonds and Kelley Blue Book Values on it. I know you need to have a margin in there, but what'll you give me for it?" Be comfortable with walking away and selling the car on your own if they lowball you too much. It's also helpful to mess with them to show them that you're on equal ground. "That's a really nice brochure you've had printed. I bet a lot of people think those extended warranty prices are fixed because they're printed in a brochure. I'll give you $750 for the extended warranty." Whether you end up buying the warranty or not, it shows that you're not fooled by simple mind games.
@@indo3052, when you buy a car at the dealership, they take you back to the "finance office" to shoe you brochures of what the extended warranties are and what they cover. They often have the prices printed in them. Sometimes, the look up the prices based on the year and model of the car. None of that matters. The price of the warranty is more flexible than they want you to believe. Sure, there's a bottom limit that they can't sell a warranty below without losing money. But that bottom limit is much lower than the brochure price.
- - I agree with your recommendations with one alteration. If you wait until you have the keys in your hand you are missing out on possible sales tax reduction from a trade-in. So, as you said, do you homework on the new vehicle, know what you can get from others for your old vehicle, have a great financing option already figured out before you walk in the dealership, negotiate the price of the new car/truck without any other distractions (I prefer to do over the phone with the dealership’s Internet salesperson), *then* talk trade-in. If you wait until you have the keys in your hand you are missing out on possible sales tax reduction from a trade-in. Hypothetical example: if your trade-in is a 4 year old platinum F-150 FX4 and worth $35K a trade-in might reduce the sales tax by $2,500. Other offers would need to be that much better than what the dealership is offering.
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Right on. I learned about the quad years ago. I never mention a trade until the end, I don't disclose my method of payment (always cash) until we've settled on a price, and I keep the conversation in the upper right the whole time. I bring ads from other dealers from a 200 mile radius. Tell them you're willing to drive 3 hours to save $x,xxx.00. I've been offered jobs at dealerships after buying cars, and I'm not a smart dude.
This video is 2 years old now but I can not express enough his advise to go get pre-approval at a good bank or credit union FIRST before going to a car dealership. It works.
Credit unions pay a "flat" to a store for selli g them a deal, zero rate markup allowed, warranties come with a markup of course. Does Best Buy sell warranties out of the goodness of their heart? For those who end up needing them theyre well worth it. The car business is not always this guys take. I will show you carfax and autocheck. I will show you an independent aim report to condition of vehicle. I will show you all available service history including our recon bill, and the checklist for inspection, brakes, tires etc. My cars are worth more than the cheap outliers because i don't have to hide anything. How is that ripping you off?
This guy is just another joke. Failed car guy broke off his @$$. I’ve been in the car industry for 20 years.... seeing this is another financial advisor with bad credit spinning BS. Most dealerships/manufacturers have 0% financing so banks can’t do better. Catch is for all u people saying “the big bad car guys” pay ur bills so u can qualify! Now the 20 year guy saying finance is the bottom of the barrel..... get out of the industry please. Your the reason we have a bad name. Hang up your gold nugget ring and white shoes. Lot lizards are dead just like the “for square” go be a Walmart greater where you belong. As for this youtuber your about 5 years behind! Go back to school. No one uses for squares anymore.
@The fastest milkman in the West Well as much as I hate it. Everyone does and should have a fair trial because sometimes those "rapists" are actually innocent and just women lying and even happens with some alleged murderers too.
I recently bought a new car. They went straight for monthly payment talk. I said I don’t care what the payment is, I’m not worried about that. Let’s talk about the price of the car first, then I’ll worry about my payment. Take control of the convo!
The price of the car is directly related to your monthly payment. If you want to finance a car that cost roughly 25k, after TTL and a good apr, your payments can only be so high or low. People want to buy a 50k vehicle with no money down and 300 a month. It is insane.
@Terry Melvin If you go into the dealership expecting to get every single incentive offered then that is on you. Buying a car is a two way negotiation. At the end of the day, the dealership wants to sell you a car, profit is profit, no matter how small the margin. If they have to bend to make only 500$, they know they can make it up on a trade with someone else. Just have to know how to play the game and what to leverage.
@Terry Melvin I dont think you have a clue what your saying. Do you do ANY research before you go to buy? If you did then you wouldnt be bending over at all. Most dealerships these days dont bother with additional mark up on cars because of the internet. They arent stupid...they know people have all they need at their fingertips.
Great job. I just went into a dealership last week. He did exactly what you said. He really lowballed my trade-in and he tried to get me to sign a worthless piece of paper. I told him I’m not signing anything. He said “but I need to have something I can take back to the manager. “I told him I’m not signing anything . now take it back to your manager. “I ended up walking out. Of course within a week he called us back and said “what do I need to do to earn your business?. “There’s nothing this guy can do to earn my business
As a Finance Manager for over 10 years. This is entirely accurate. The trade is quite accurate. The trade is alot of time being pinched. Best way of explaining this is your trade vs actual cash value. Alot of time the ACV is higher than what's shown. That's used in what's known as front end profit. The other part of front end profit is Price minus Invoice. Dont believe in invoice is what we payed for it. Dealership have what's called holdback. That's profit built into the invoice. Within the 4 square they also built in what's called reserve. Easiest way to explain that is the bank says your a certain tier. A, B, C, or D. So at A tier they are allowed 3 points. So your banks buy rate is say 4.9 but they get you to sign at 6.9. The profit is called reserve. Hope this helps as well.
Thank you for the info! All of this 4 square stuff is nonsense though. I know why it's done, but on the buyer side, the best thing they can do is to come in already knowing more about the car they want than the actual dealership and running the negotiation from their side of the table. No need to be rude or anything, basically just come in prepared. When you guys see someone on the lot wondering around like a lost puppy, that's when you guys smell MONEY..lol
Dealer told me they'd give $2K for my 14 year old Tacoma on a trade in . I advertised it on Craigslist instead and got $9K. Yeah I can see why used cars are more profitable for them.
thats because that car would not be something sold on a lot and go to auction where theres the risk of not even getting 2k for it. when you have older trades its always better to sell on your own cause youll get more for it.
I traded in a car once and they started out wanting to give me 2,500 for my trade. I get them up to $5,000. They had the car on their used car lot a week later asking $9,995.
Thank you for this, it was helpful. But I REALLY hate these stupid negotiating games we have to endure just to get a vehicle, mainly just to go back and forth to our jobs.
My favorite part is when they send you to the finance department, make you wait 45 min to an hour so that you are so anxious to get the hell out of there that you wont read any of the details on all the paperwork they "throw" at you.
Worked at a dealership for about 10 months. I paid attention to the training and really applied myself. I actually led the dealership in sales 2 out of the 10 months I worked there. I was honest with my customers and tried to deal fairly with everyone I came in contact with. I came to the realization that I was working for a bunch of crooks. From the owner and managers to the finance guys and the service department. I took my abilities elsewhere and will never buy a car from a dealership again.
I had almost the same experience as well...didn't wait around for 10 months though, just 4. Learned a TON on what not to do in sales. Now I sell IT solutions to hospitals that help save lives.
The easiest method is to take care of the vehicle you have, learn it inside and out and learn how and when to do at least the basic service on it and keep records.
J Dikanza That part is obvious. The point is, if you take care of your vehicle, and maintain it well, it should last you a long, long time, and you won't need to go into debt for a new vehicle that you likely won't take care of either.
@@johndowe7003 Lots of younger car buyers want cars with technological innovations. People who rave about their 10 to 30 year old car simply can't afford a brand new car so they try to make ridiculous justifications like this post. I'd rather own a 2019 Toyota Camry than a 2009 Toyota Camry.
@@tommyaintgotnojob That sarcasm is stupid, you're acting like a kid. I've got 2013 vehicle. I paid it off. Drives well. Sometimes I stop by a dealership to change oil and while they work on it I walk around dealership and check 2019 vehicles. Nothing changed since 2013. Minor changes in design and nothing else. Why would I pay 450$ every month for another few years again? I would consider it "changes" when I can sit in a car, vocalize an address and fall asleep or read a book until my car tells me "We have arrived, sir".
Never negotiate the payments. Always negotiate the price of the car. If the payments come out to be too high then you probably cannot afford it. Sell you old car yourself. I learned it the hard way.
I disagree completely. You got to DEMAND they years of the loan. If you want $300 a month for 4 year and they say $300 a month on 60 months. You just say well 4 years or you get no car sale period. You tell them they HAVE to increase the trade in value(if you got one) or lower the price of the car. They say they can't you say well I'm just gonna take my money to another dealership. This is only possible if you have it pre planed on how much you want to pay for the car. If you want ot pay $14,400 for it and they got a sticker price of $15,500. That's how you do it.
@@alexknight1687 You sound like an entitled prick, if I'm honest. You don't need to demand anything. There's no reason you can't have a reasonable discussion with the salesperson and manager to get the deal you want. In fact they often give better deals to people with a good attitude instead of self-righteous assholes who think they're going to get one over on the dealership.
@@laynecombs6500 I didn't say that. I worked for Mercedes Benz for many years (2 years as sales after I was injured as a tech) and I can tell you that we worked to sell cars to people who were genuinely nice over people who were assholes during the negotiation process. I'm not saying we weren't trying to make money (what business doesnt?) but when push came to shove we tried to make the deal work for people who treated us nicely over people who were assholes. All I'm saying is that going in with a plan is smart but you don't accomplish anything by being a jerk.
Thanks Marko, we always did the things you mentioned but not in such detail. Thank you, we know it takes lots of time in making and editing these videos, appreciate your free knowledge.
You are absolutely right. People worry about that...and I did myself. But it's not that difficult. Sold my car myself. Was the first time doing it and it was realy easy. The dealership was giving me 4 800$ on a trade...sold the car myself for 9 000$!!!
Good job genius. It’s called wholesale vs retail. The dealer needs to sell your car at a profit. Dealers are good at what they do. No one is stupid enough to pay you retail value for your car and then turn around and sell it at no profit.
Not only that... simply multiply the monthly payment by the term length to see how much in interest you are forking over.... It will open your eyes as you will see you've pretty much bought a compact car with the interest alone!
I think it all depends. What he says is true for most part but a lot of dealerships now are trying to move older style vehicles and offering a low interest rate.... Mazda and Subaru are offering 0APR for 60mo. How can you beat that
@@jackstraw5527 yeah but you would have to buy a really old car and it may not have the features you want... if it’s something you want, you buy it (only if it’s affordable and you don’t go beyond your means) You get a product that you’re not happy with, you might as well throw your money away.... why buy an older model, why don’t you just buy a salvage junk car, ride a bike? Take the bus? Fkn wall? That shit is free! Lol
Google analytics kept you on the TH-cam sidebar but I never clicked. Thanks for the video, i'm one of those dumb people who don't or for that matter cant keep numbers in my brain. I'm more impressed by your clear speaking voice for 11 minutes straight, without any major mistakes stopping and back tracking. Definitely teacher/ professor material here.
I love this guy and his comments like "if you go for this, your an idiot". Killer and truthful. Sad fact is this guy knows what he is talking about. Keep up the good work Marko! Maximus
Great video Marko....I did as you suggested and got pre-approved and financed through my credit union, before going to the dealership. Thanks so much!!!
Simple as this.....have a plan. Buy used or if you want new, go in with your own 4 square numbers on paper and say "Match this or i walk." But once again thanks for the great vids!! keep it up
My goodness I should of watched this video in 2015. They used and abused me. Learnt my lesson somewhat. All I know is... go in with the price you want to pay, the car trade in value you want, and the payments you want to pay. Don’t budge at all until they do.
Exactly! I went in with my own financing, a Kelly Blue Book value for my old car, and the average sale price for the car I wanted. I told them, "I'm ready to buy today if you meet my terms." The salesman countered at $2K more cost to me and wouldn't budge, so I left. Went to a nearby town and gave them the same offer. They accepted immediately. A couple days later, the original salesman called my cell and asked if I was still interested. I told him that I already bought my new car!
@WorldGangWatch Car Auctions are a real gamble. Sometimes they pay off but half the time they dont, you end up with a real junker lol better off buying a Used Car off a Friend or Facebook Market.
My Brother has been in the car business forever. His advice: "always pay cash for a good used vehicle" if you always do this you will be able to retire at 60. His advice for a good used car,any Toyota Carolla. My last car was purchased from a dealership, NEVER again will I buy from these thieves!
Just ask for an "Option Contract", that will give you 5 days to find your own financing and in most cases when the Finance Manager hears the word "Option Contract" they usually drop the rate because they want to keep the deal in-house.
@@iamdenislara Great question... I am located in So Cal so I know you can here but can't say for other states for certain but I would assume yes for most of them.
Better yet...arrive at the dealership with your own financing already arranged and cut the dealership out from Jump Street. I did this twice through USAA who cut me a blank check with a fixed APR and then all I had to negotiate was the final price. This really pisses off salesmen.
I drive Toyota Yaris 1999 (Echo in Usa). My mother bought it 2003 and gave it to me two years ago. I have taken care of it the whole time and it still drives well, it has 230000km on it and last time I calculated it consumed about 6.2l/100km. Sorry my broken English and greetings from Finland.
You need to understand that FICO does not determine anything. Leave FICO alone, stick to buying good used cars, with cash. Never buy new, new cars are a poor value proposition. Don't follow the Joneses, if you do, you'll be right behind them in bankruptcy court. If you're not a car guy or mechanically inclined, develop a good relationship with a trusted neighborhood mechanic, they usually charge a small fee to inspect a car before you buy it, paying $50-$100 for a thorough inspection can save you thousands of dollars in expensive repairs down the road.
I’ve got great credit so I always get 0% or like 0.9% max I like to lease as well. I bring my wife she haggles the fuck out of the dealer. Haha I don’t like to but I think she enjoys it.
1) Practice walking into lots of dealerships and walk away every time until you've decided what car you really want. 2) Once you've decided on a car know how much the car you want to buy is worth before you walk in. 3) Walk into the dealership knowing what car you want to purchase and give them your phone to call (we'll be using this later). 4) Walk in and tell the salesman you need to be somewhere in x minutes (60 is a good number) and you'll be leaving then (you have something you need to go to/be at). If you don't, they're going to use stalling tactics to make you wait around to make you be more willing to buy (psychology 101). Open your phone up while the salesman is there watching you and set a 60 minute timer for your "I've got to be at appt/leave by/make an excuse". 5) From your previous research you know what the car is worth, add tax man, and tell them I'll buy this car for that amount. HAVE THAT NUMBER. Every time financing/addons/anything else comes up, go back to market value of car+tax(+$500-1000 dealership profit)=total and I'm walking out unless I'm paying my pre-calculated total. 6) Most likely your 1hr time has gone off, and the dealership has not agreed to your pre-calculated number so you've left the dealership (because they will never give to a reasonable deal unless you prove you're not a sucker and walk away), but you gave them your phone number in step 1. 7) When they call you back, agree to your pre-calculated walk-out-the-door number go back, and make sure you walk out with your original number. They made some money, you have a car. Done. Understand Monthly payment x Months = Total. So it the examples of the video: You know the car is worth $24,900. If you have a trade-in, $4000 should come off that (and you've pre-checked what your trade-in is worth. If these are your numbers that's $24,900-4000=20,900. So now we're talking financing....on $20,900. They offered $500x60 months=$30,000. You know you're only wanting to pay $20,900 so they want almost $10,000 in financing profit split between dealership and finance company? That's why you've already pre-qualified financing elsewhere for the $21,000 and you say I'll take it for $21K or walk away. Or finance for $22K with the auto. Keep doing the math and you'll know where the profits keep trying to slip in.
If you are buying a car, you should care about one thing. The amount you are paying. If you are concerned with the other three, you are not in a financial position to buy a car, or you are in a position to be taken advantage of. Sell your car yourself, get financing from your bank at a low rate, walk in and eliminate this silly 4 square nonsense.
You could even buy the car from a individual and not a dealership. Buy and sell outside of any dealership unless you want and can afford a new car. There is also the possibility of simply using public transit, car pooling, and/or a bicycle combined with finding work closer to home or moving closer to work. Also make sure grocery store is close enough. Cars are money sink holes no matter what, (insurance, gas, maintenance, tabs etc) finding ways of going without one is always worth looking into.
@@WrapperOfflineFan204 exactly... one dealership gave me 34% interest, I didn't care because I was paying mostly cash and would have the rest paid off within 3 months.. but a year later another lender gave me 1.9% ..people will argue all day over $1,000 off the sticker price but not bat an eye at paying triple that when the dealership marks up their interest by 1.5%
Just told a dealer that our bank was going to finance with us and their faces said it all. They went so far as to say that they’d have to keep the vehicle for 10 days for the check to clear and they still have the option to sell it during that time. Told this to our bank and they never heard such a thing
I had to read that second sentence twice because I couldn't understand it. That's wild. If I buy the car and sign on the dotted line, it's a sealed deal and neither of us can get out of it.
I walked into a dealership and told the sales guy that I was "going to buy a car today". When we couldn't reach a deal and I started to leave he said "I thought you said you were buying a car today." My reply was "I didn't say I was going to buy it here."
Awesome!
Ooooo big bad car buyer, why waste your time at that dealership then? Sounds like something a total db would do.
What music was playing in your head when you dreamt that scenario
Ben Chesterman what does that have to do with this conversation?
The key is to waste as as much of the salesman's time as possible. Drag the sale on for a month or 2.
My grandfather always said "no one is doing you a favor by taking your money"
Love this
Buddy Fennell thanks. definitely miss him.. he was also find of saying "and if a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump it's ass on the ground".. also "horsecock!" In place of bullshit. Retired army Colonel.. had a bunch of colorful sayings
I've always said, "You can break even watching TV", meaning you won't get ripped off if you don't enter into any kind of agreement. I like your Grampa's version more.
42lookc thanks! He was a smart guy and I'm grateful to have known him
@@jseden Yeah, I remember the "frog" phrase from the movie Raising Arizona with Nicholas Cage. "If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass-a-hoppin". 😂 Your grandpa was a classic old timer.
When I bought my last car, I negotiated the price of the car first. I said I wasn't sure if I wanted to trade in or have 2 cars. I also had my own financing through a credit union. When it came to my trade, I had already decided I needed $6500. I asked for $8000. They told me they couldn't pay $8000 because they'd never sell it for $10,000. I stood up and said if I couldn't get $8000 I couldn't afford the vehicle and I might as well leave. He played the whole, "let me talk to the manager" schtick. He came back and I got $7200 for my trade.
A week later, I got on their website and my car was listed at $11,500. These guys are snakes but it is possible to get a decent deal. I'd say the number one thing is, don't get emotional and don't let your excitement for a new car turn you into a sucker. Be prepared to leave. That paper isn't a contract so it means fuck all even if you initial it.
I went around to all the dealers around here collecting trade in offers for my truck. One dealer had the car I wanted, checked the VIN on KBB and saw it was priced 4k under market value (it's been on their lot for over 100 days), and when time came for trade in appraisal I told them 44k or Im outta here. They finally came back and said they could do 43k. Took the deal. The truck is listed for 45.5 and has been sitting on their lot for awhile now.
You think their not going to make a profit on a trade in? Do you not know how a business is ran? Plus if they had to do any work, routine maintenance, detail. Pay their workers , commission for the sales guy, pay the electric bill to keep all the lights on… and still make profit from that??
@Shady thank you brother. Somebody understands
Bitches want shit for free 😭
It's not a snake deal. If you knew more about ACV value and clean trade retail fair market etc.... every dealership knows someone is gonna come in and negotiate price you set it for a fair price that way while it's being taxed on the lot you have aome room for error. Stop complaining about a profit the US moves on profits.
There is a difference between getting ripped off and coming to an agreement.
I've been an auto mechanic for over 20 years. Many of the problems I see daily could have easily been avoided by simply following the vehicles maintenance schedule. I use a program on my computer called Automotive Wolf car care software to keep track of all the maintenance for my 3 cars, a truck and even a generator. It automatically can send you text message reminders when any type of service is due. Two of my vehicles have over 200,000 miles and have never needed any repairs. Want to save money? Follow your maintenance schedule!
The more you shop for a car, the more you like what you're already driving.
Steve Brown agree with you unless what you are already driving is a piece of junk. 😃
@@ruinunes8251 brother you know how true this is !!!!
Mr.F I know man. I’m looking for a car to replace my old tired civic, but the more I read about new cars the more I want to keep my old one.
@@ruinunes8251 im in a 2012 GTI but looking for a 2000 civic EK lol
Mr.F Nice. Go for it.
As soon as a salesman says,"I'm gonna be honest with you", RED FLAG!!!
Said every guy ”I won’t come in your mouth” (yeah I know about the spelling)
the signal salesman start lying
I always say that though and I don’t lie to my customers so should I change my whole vocabulary cause someone else screwed over a guy?
Haha that implies you're not always honest?
Charles Hummer I am ? Like I really do try to help my customers out. I drive an hour to get to my job and love working there. It’s way better than being a factory supervisor like I was before. I think it depends whether your going to a big dealership or an independent dealership.
Went to a dealer last week. The finance guy offered me a loan at $350/mo. I asked what the interest rate was. As if it didn't matter he said the rate was 5 or 6%. I told him my credit union already approved me at 3.25%. He said "oh, I can do that".
@Simon I think the dude above meant a year older than the new one for example 2020.instead of.2021.
Never Ever finance through the dealership. They will get deals with banks, and then add points on the interest rate. Always get pre approval from your bank or credit union before going to buy , then finance through them !
I did the same and I was like lower a car from 18 to 15
My daughter learned the hard way a few weeks ago. I went with her and was not nice to anyone at the dealership, I knew she wasn’t getting a great deal but she didn’t care- she was happy enough.
Fast forward a week- we were waxing her car and she popped the trunk, only to find some lug nuts in a package. She asked” what are these?” “ they’re the factory lug nuts; the dealer took them off and replaced them with locking ones.” I said “ remember those fees I was bitching about? The ones you said I was being unreasonable about? The dealer charged you $495 dollars for those... you could have bought them for $30 and did it yourself.” Point made. Mic drop. Suddenly, I’m a genius
Bro what was her reaction when you told her 🤣
@@kookiemonsta6409 everybody clapped
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I don't think you know what you just said 😂😂😂
You a jackass. Figured I'd come back here and tell you this. You have no clue what you are talking buddy
and one golden rule, if something doesn't feel right, dont be afraid to walk away. Remember, they need you more than you need them. you as a customer have the power.
agreed
@@iamnormal8648 as long as you know their tricks, you can beat this game. here are few tips:
1. Never tell them that you want a specific car. always make it look like you don't care what you buy as long as you have reliable car. even if you are a car enthusiast. that keeps them on the edge because they are thinking that you can change your mind.
2. Always tell them you are only here for quote because you are going to check out another couple of cars from a different manufacturer and you ll make you decision based on that. Then they know you will walk away to look at the car and once you are outta that door they have no control over the situation, so they ll bend backwards to keep you in their store. ( this is the best one because i have used it many times when i went to negotiate with my friends).
3.always arrange your own finance before you go in, but don't tell them that you already have it sorted. because otherwise they ll start to adjust to that straight away. listen to their offer and if you feel like you are ok with the vehicle price, then just tell them you have your own finance.
4. Be friendly, but keep some barrier between the salesman, because they ll try to act like they are your friends, make them work hard for your "trust" question anything if you need to. remember they need "You" to spend your money so they can get their Fat paycheck.
@@iamnormal8648 Also try to see if you can get a good 2nd hand car privately, because a new car is always going to lose money. i have been changing and upgrading my cars almost every year. its my 9th car in 11 years and i always get a 2nd hand car below market value form someone wanting to sell it quickly. it could be that they are moving away or they have other various reasons. so if you can get a car lower than the average price privately, you can potentially upgrade your car every couple of years and still sell yours on a good price since you brought is cheaper to start it.
it is a bit of work and requires hunting. but with time and patience it works. just cut dealers out of equation all together
It never feels right at a car dealership.
Just be upfront and honest about what you want done. Don’t let the salesman shoot in the dark.
Nothing beats the relief and sense of empowerment when you have a well functioning vehicle with no car payment!
Thoroughly agreed!
I would say a paid for home would rival that.
I'd take good health over that any day!
Walked in in September, test drive 2017 Beamer...1 hour later drove out ... paid in full. The guy who dealt with us tried his very best to push tire maintenance, while car service for 2 years etc etc etc...altogether would have added $3 Grand to the price we bought the car...with taxes and everything, we walked out $1,400 more with taxes and registration and whatever else!!!! They were mad
I was sooooo happy i got declined buying a 2019 Honda accord for 26k because i just moved to the US and had 640 credit score with 6 months credit history. Now im driving a 2014 fully functional toyota corolla LE i bought and haggled for 6.5k from this guy with clean title and single owner.
"My manager is in a good mood, he's a great guy" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YES!!! THEY DO SAY THAT!!! thanks for the honesty!
When they say my managers in a good mood, we as the customer should interrupt and say does that mean I’ll be getting the car for free.
I love how it's all wine and roses with the salesman then, waterboarding and red hot pokers in the financing office.
"You really need to seriously consider getting the extended warranty." "Why?! Are you selling me a piece of shit?!"
The number one tip in a dealership; never hesitate to simply get up and walk out.
I've done exactly That, and the salesman call me on my cell phone min later when I was on the freeway and try to get me to come back to the dealership.
I've only owned 2 vehicles in my driving years and have never bought them at a dealership; my Mexican dad says those are for suckers....I see now he was right all along....he didn't go to school but those street smarts win out in the end!
I'd have to agree. Over the years we've bought 2 vehicles from dealerships. In both situations the sales people were actually reasonable to deal with, i.e. willing to negotiate price as well as trade in value and they weren't overly pushy about adding one or anything either. But man it was a completely different story with the financial officers. One of them literally yelled at us because we refused to buy an extended warranty they were trying to to push on us for thousands of dollars. Thankfully I had the experience of knowing my dad once got an extended warranty from a dealership, and it literally never covered anything that broke on that car so I knew they were a waste of money and kept saying no no matter what this person said or did.
None of the dealerships I dealt with used the 4 square method....they used the all-the-numbers-mixed-up-in-a-single-column-so-I-couldn't-tell-what-was-going-on method. Equally effective.
LOL!
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J Ashton 😂😂😂
Same.
J Ashton 😂💀
Step 1: don't mention that you are trading in a vehicle until you agree on a price of the car you are buying.
Step 2: determine your trade value ahead of time and don't budge.
Step 3. Get preapproved credit for the amount you want to finance at a fixed rate and tell them that after you agree on the trade and purchase.
Step 4: offer to get up and walk out if they find any of this disagreeable. Chances are if its the last week of the month and they have spent several hours negotiating and test driving, you can get your price. I have walked out of dealerships after 4 hours and taken all the numbers to a different dealership and had the second dealership agree immediately to what I am offering.
Most people who "determine" the value of their car have no idea what they are doing - you think it's in "excellent" condition when it fact it isn't -
@@jeffruck7757 Most of the time its "fair" condition when you look at how the assessment system works. The problem is that car dealers try and create a large margin on used vehicle sales by offering such low value on trade ins.
as far as trade value is concerned, be intelligent enough to understand you can't trade for a retail value, that is a number you can expect if you sell the vehicle yourself and the vehicle is in top notch condition. Trade or wholesale value is a more realistic number.
The first question the salesperson asks is: "Do you have a trade?"
@@mms8393 - salespeople deflect questions all the time. Do likewise. Push past the question and talk about what car you want.
You forgot to tell everyone to never trade-in a car. Sell it yourself and make a lot more money.
Not always possible when people are upside down.
@@jeremybuchanan289 if you're upside down in a car, you shouldn't be buying a new one.
@@samg5543 if only people lived that way, but they don't. Hell, moat people don't have cash to put down, trade, then are even worse off.
But if you trade in, you don't get hit with sales tax.
@@lievaleo5746 you will pay sales tax on the car you purchase.
Thank you. Every young person should watch this. I filed a lawsuit against a car dealer, he threatened me and had me followed. I posted it online, 9 other women came forward. A nightmare.
Marko, I agree with everything you say here- I spent a year at a dealership and saw this too. However, I studied Advertising in my business degree and learned this process is all about EMOTION. If you go to buy a car and you are emotionally invested, all these tricks from the dealer will work on you. My #1 rule in buying cars is to be ready to WALK no matter what they do. EMOTIONS= EASY SALE
I was definitely able to walk when my price wasn't right even with the boss coming in lol I was like well if its meant for me It will be here and I drove off
Tried to walk one time, but then my car wouldn't start in the dealer's parking lot...
@@jeremypenn1 😂😂😂
You just described every car buying experience I ever had. "My manager is in a good mood today." 😂
In 2015 for the first time I went directly through my credit union to purchased a used car. Called them up, gave them the car details, and within 10 minutes I was approved with the lowest interest rate I'd ever had on a car note. I went to pick up the check the next business day. Handed it to the dealership finance manager and only had to wait around to fill out paperwork for tags/title and get my car detailed. The most hassle-free and worry-free car-buying experience I ever had, and this was my 8th car.
Negotiate the cost of the car only. Sell a trade-in outside the dealership. Finance outside the dealership.
Yup never trade in.
@@y_rb4080 I've traded many vehicles for more than I could have sold privately. People need financing and dealers don't verify income like credit unions so they have a much larger buyer pool than any private seller.
@@2010drive Totally makes sense and I agree. Im just saying you could most probably sell a vehicle at a higher price point compared to the one offered by a dealership by a trade in if you have the patience to wait it out.
Id feel bad selling a lemon to a private party. But trading in a lemon to a dealership no regrets fuk em
@@2001chevycamaross Solid points mate. Cannot stress enough the importance of having the value of your car nailed down and a pre-qualification in your pocket.
Been in the business for 26 years. While the 4 square is old style of selling, it still happens. And it is designed to beat the 5% of customers not educated enough to see through the crap. As soon as the salesperson or manager presents anything that looks like this, get up and leave. Go home and visit 3 dealers via internet and get your pricing that way. Beware if one guy is thousands lower than the other two guys, he is probably just trying to get you in the door. Then use an online calculator to figure payments. This is not a difficult process.
I also see a bunch of comments telling people to sell their car on their own. This is generally a smart way to do it. But there are two things to watch out for. If you car is junk, just trade it in. You don't want or need strangers calling you at all hours of the night and day. Think of your safety. Too dangerous in this world now. Besides, let the dealer take the responsibility for anything that is wrong. If you sell a car that "unknowingly" has a bad trans and someone just shelled out their last $2,500 to buy it, you can bet you will be getting a call from that person. No dealership in the world is going to call you after the fact and want money from you because the used car manager missed the bad transmission. Second, if you decide to sell private party, make sure you get enough over the dealership offer to cover the loss of taxes. When you trade in (in most states), you will also get a tax credit for that amount. $10k car traded in is worth $10,700 private party if you have a tax rate of 7%. I saw someone get $30,000 for their car from me only to sell it private party for $31,000 and think they won. At 7% tax, they just lost $1,100 (tax savings on $30k is $2,100).
85% of all salespeople out there are decent guys and gals. If they are transparent with their dealings, and are willing to answer questions and back up their statements with solid math, there is no reason to not trust them. The really smart ones will be honest. I can sell one person, rip them off, and make a bunch for myself. Or I can take very good care of them, make a little, but then sell the wife, the children, the neighbor, the boss, and even their vet and make a lot more doing it the honest way. And now I have 5 more people passing along my name instead of one going on facebook and bashing me.
Honest sales men are rare! What a gem you are! Hahaha
Jabber 82 you should come out to Dallas and preach this. Here all car salesman are pretty much.. well.. just salesman
It's GOTTA be more than 5%
Good advice. I graduated in 1973 with a bachelors in Finance, spent 26 years in commercial leasing and lending, then went into subprime auto finance for one of the largest banks in the world for 12 years working with Finance Managers at Dealerships. I'd buy their sales contracts, administer the loan and collect the money, repo it if necessary. I've been retired 10 years and the market has changed because both the manufacturers and dealers have more difficulty moving cars. AlMOST EVERY CAR PHYSICALLY IS BEAT TO DEATH AND HAS NO VALUE AT 84 MONTHS (except for granddad's) It was a stretch at 72 months but the only way to get a payment the customer can afford has been to extend the term of the loan. That means the customer is paying the same rate of interest for 7 years.
Auto Finance dealers will accept the trade in as the "down" unless the total of the customer's payments on the trade in car's financing are greater than the Kelly Blue Book Wholesale Value. If that occurs, the customer is "upside down" and he is severely limited in the "amount of car " he can buy. If the trade is used for down, then lenders look at 15-20% of the "if sold" price of the car to be purchased. If you go on Kelly Blue Book dot com and plug in your car's information, they will ask you questions about the condition of your car. They rate it from Excellent down to poor. You'll have a better idea of what the dealer will offer based on the Kelly number. If you have a "beater" car, good luck.
When a customer drives into the dealership he may see 1000 cars on the lot. The salesman will qualify him on monthly payment. Let's say it's $400. That means the customer will have a selection of maybe 10-20 cars on the lot that the salesman will try to sell him. if the car lot has 7 used Ford Escorts and 2 used Toyota Corollas, the salesman is going to push him to the Ford Escort. Another factor that determines which car the customer sees is the length of time it has been on the lot. If its been there 60 days the sales manager is breathing down the necks of his people. If the car has been there 30 days, not so much.
Based on the credit and payment history of the borrower, an auto finance company will pay from 100% to 120% of the "if sold price" to the dealer. This will cover tax, title and license for the car. The Auto Finance guy will try to sell a Guaranteed Asset Protection Contract or GAP which will pay off the car if you are hit by an uninsured motorist and/or don't have adequate coverage from your insurance company. In some instances, this is not a bad idea if you have a large sales price on a big SUV or a large payment. Some insurance won't pay sufficient amounts to pay off the loan and you're left with the remainder. The Finance Guy will also try to sell a service warranty that will cover certain expensive repair items. The older the car, the closer the attention to making a decision on it should be made. Don't buy "premium lug nuts," "competition floor mats" or "chrome muffler bearings." These are add-on aftermarket profit centers for the dealership. The finance company won't finance them.
Read your contract before you sign. Ask questions if you don't understand. The Finance guy will be pissed off but he's making money on you so be ready to walk if you don't like anything. DON'T GIVE THEM THE KEYS TO YOUR TRADE IN UNTIL YOU'VE SIGNED THE NEW CONTRACT AND HAVE KEYS TO THE NEW CAR. If the dealer has possession of your car it puts them in the position to put max pressure on you to close the deal regardless of how bad it is for you. They are adept at ripping arms and legs off of customers.
Your credit score will drive your interest rate. The auto finance companies send out "programs" with rate sheets and terms and conditions, advance % and other things that could determine where the auto finance manager sends your deal for pre approval. No matter what the call back is, the finance manager is trained to call the auto finance company to "rehash" the deal. Finance manager training courses spend an entire morning on the rehash call. So, those guys are loaded for bear when they call back. The auto finance manager might put your pre-approval out to 4 or 5 different lenders, depending on program fit and the lender's appetite. Sometimes if a dealer has sold too many deals to a lender that go bad and the car is repossessed, then the finance companies get skittish. Lending company reps are in and out of dealers several times a week structuring deals with them. The dealer says in placing deals, "I'll give you these 5 premium deals but you have to take these 2 dogs along with them." There is a lot of give and take that is always changing.
Bottom line, be happy with the deal you buy along with the car you buy. You will have them for at least 3 years (average time between trades) and if either one of them is bad for you, it will grind on you every time you turn the ignition.
You mentioned that a dealership would never call you back on your trade and say something about the condition after the deal. I had one do just that. I traded in a Camaro that had cat claw scratches all over the hood, roof, and decklid. It looked really bad, except when it was wet. You couldn't even see them if it was raining. I had my eye on a Trans Am, and the salesman was calling me daily and bugging me to come in and do a deal. I waited until it was raining, and they gave me what I thought was fair on the trade, so I made the deal and drove away in my new (used) Trans Am. The next day when it had quit raining, that jerk actually called me and told me "hey, this car is all scratched up. You need to come back in so we can re-negotiate the deal because I am going to lose on this trade... I told him I was having buyers remorse, (really wasnt.. I loved my Trans Am...) and if I came back in, I would likely give him the Trans Am back. He said I couldn't do that because I signed the contract. So I told him to go "F" himself. It felt good to get one over on them for once, even though I am sure they still made a bunch of money even with a loss on the trade.
Never met this guy, but he just called me an idiot
bahopik me too, and he is just right.
Haha!
and i feel like he’s right
you very funny guy
Jajajajaja. That was a good one.
Traded in a hard driven, cracked windshield, missing trim stained carpet, bald tires, missed services basically very poorly maintained car and the dealer gave me a remarkable trade-in deal on the same vehicle but a newer model. The new vehicle was a one-price with a 5-day lowest price guarantee. They put numbers down on paper, I asked for a specific APR, they worked in a number within 0.5% of my request, then off to financing. I said no in advance to everything except for gap insurance. Bought the car for a smaller down and monthly payment than my calculations before visiting the dealership. I'm still in denial that I might have gotten an outstanding deal, lots of credit to this video for helping me prepare.
Bought an Accord and maintain it = 200,000+ miles looks and drives like brand new and no car payment since 2008.
Best decision I ever made.
What if you bought the car in 1988?
2005 Accord, 108k miles, no payments since 2010. I agree with you, best decision I ever made!
Bought wrecked 2012 Audi with 25k miles , fixed, took it to a dealer, got extended warranty up to 100k miles. Drove s@it out of it until warranty expired and sold it to private rental company for over $1k more I bought it for. Reason it was BLACK just like they need it. Cheers
@@kckunkun - No no no. Bought the car in 2006 brand new. Paid it off early. The Accord looks and drives like the day I bought it. Radio button is worn down but that is so minor I forget about my horrible channel surfing affliction.
@@BeaverMonkey accords and camrys and subarus are unbelievable machines.
I've bought cars for many ppl in my family and I truly believe I got better deals than most folks can. Never trade-in a car at the dealership. Sell the car privately, take that money and use that towards down payment. You're somewhat right on most of these Marko. But I'll give some more pointers:
1. Do thorough research on the car you want to buy. Compare prices between dealers and private sale price for that car. By this time, you should get a ballpark idea of overpriced and good priced deals.
2. I'm going to argue with Marko about "bring your own financing". That doesn't work anymore as most dealership can beat your own finance and use that against you. Ex: You bring your pre-approval that's 4.5% APR. Dealers probably would have given you 2.9% but now since they saw your 4.5%, they'll offer you 4% and say we can give you a better interest rate than your bank!
3. However, do get pre-approved to see if you qualify but keep that to yourself. (carry the pre-approval with you and use it in the END if dealers won't give you better APR)
4. Go to dealership END of the month... maybe last 2-3 days of the month because they are desperate to meet their sales goal.
5. Do not go on WEEKENDS, go on a rainy weekday where there won't be much customers. Which means they need the sale.
6. Like Marko said, never negotiate "monthly payment", negotiate the price of the car. if you done your research, you should already know how much your monthly cost would be.
7. Haggle them in every situation. Offer low price, offer Drive-out price (out-the-door).
8. If they don't give you the car for the price you are asking and you want to agree to what they offered, say "OK, I'll accept that ONLY if you include.. XXXX. That means you can ask for extended warranty, 1-year maintenance, accessories..etc..whatever you want, try to get them with the included price.
9. Never be afraid to WALK-OUT of the deal if they don't accept your price. Either they'll call you back or you'll lose the deal. You'll find same or better deal elsewhere.
10. You control them, they do NOT control you. remember that. You're the one with the power.
One last thing, dealership does LOSE money sometimes. They'll sell some cars on negative to meet sales goal and quotas. So yes, you can get an amazing deal!
eX.Gaming I agree, but at times, trading in can save substantially on taxes since you'll save that $$ off the new car purchase. Do the math before hand. This is particularly true if you're in a high tax state where taxes on new purchase can be 7% or higher. But the key is to discuss and disclose trade , if you go this route , well after you've locked in price of new car.
You should publish a TH-cam video, it would be better than the one above
Thanks, for advice. I’m thinking about going to buy a car next month!
That's true on used cars. on new cars, the dealer is paying interest to the manufacturer as if they own that vehicle on their lot. As the interest costs climb, they have to get back that money they've paid in interest to the car company by way of a higher sales price, giving them less room to make a great deal. It's a double edged sword.@MissBttrsctch
Buddy, every deal is important whether it's the busiest day of the year or the quietest
Well this man just insulted me several times in this video. I think I'm going to give him a like.
I have your best interest in mind. Tough love
Lol 😂
Lol I smell u a car sales man 🤣🤣🤣
I'm a salesman and can tell you this buying a car is no different than going to Wal mart and buying food or clothes. They just like any store are open to make money. The car world is not what it was 20 years ago before internet.
@@nickycox9296 .........nick want to buy a bridge ? your pants on fire !
This dude is dropping all the secrets in the car selling trade.
Good.
I went to a dealership a few years ago and told the salesman that I was just looking for a new toy. He asked what my budget was, and I said $30k max. I didn't mind doing that, because I know what cars are worth, and I've been around the block enough times that I'm not going to get suckered in. We ended up test-driving a 500hp supercharged Shelby Mustang that I KNEW was well over $30k, but I just wanted to see where this would go. Lol... so we sit down in his cube, and he tells me that he can get me into the car for $41k. He tried to pull all kinds of tricks to make me think that it wasn't that much different than $30k (you know, because numbers don't really MEAN anything...). I ended up walking out. He called me for like two weeks after that, and I finally told him, "Look, dude. I was ready to spend 30 grand on something I don't even need. You could have made an easy sale, but instead you got greedy. So now you don't get shit. And stop calling me." 😆
LOL
That's biggest problem with dealerships. Inexperienced sales people that never get proper training. You told him your budget and he's wasting time showing a car way above your budget. A good sales person would have never let you test drive a vehicle that was over your budget.
Had a similar experience. Saw a 2015 mustang gt with only 700 miles on it. I setup an appointment to test drive. I get there and they immediately have me test drive a brand new 2019 gt and a 2019 roush. I told him I wasn't here for that and he responds well we just want you to see what else was available. So I test drove them and when I was done he asked "so what do you think? Want to talk numbers?"... I said "yeah, on the 2015 i originally came to test drive! I can afford the other 2 but i dont want to pay that. So either give me numbers on the 2015gt or I'm out!". He realized their little try to up sale game wasnt working and threw away the numbers he had the finance guy work up while I was test driving the other two. I think he realized I was on the verge of getting pissed off so tightened up and finally let me test drive the 2015 and gave me numbers on it.
@@IamBlackMagic03 The funny thing is he was actually down selling you as far it effects the dealership because there is more profit on used than new. They may have had the Roush marked up but the new 2019 GT would have made them nothing since those are a dime a dozen and have little mark up. Used is where they make the money. On average dealers lose between $100 to $200 per new car. They can make an average of $2,000 to $3,000 on used cars. By having you drive new over the used one you were interested in, the salesman was costing himself money where had you bought the new he would have only made his mini deal which ranges between $75 to $150 commission depending on dealership vs an average of 25% commission on $2,000 to $3,000 on used where he could make $500 to $750 commission selling the used vs a mini deal making between $75 to $150 selling the used. Just another case on an inexperienced sales person that was never properly trained.
@@johnlyn1 Realtors do the exact same thing to homebuyers. Their goal is to drain you of every last penny they can squeeze from your pre-approved lender amount. If you can afford $500K, don't tell them that, if you want a house for $300K; tell them that $300K is your absolute ceiling. Just because you are lender pre-approved for a certain amount, don't max it out, that's just as dumb as maxing out your credit cards for the next 15-30 years and only making monthly payments! Every deal is designed to enslave you for the longest term possible to milk you for everything you're worth to the dealer during that negotiation.
Marco,
Wanted to leave a comment to thank you for this video! My wife and I were first time car buyers and we used the advice from this video to get a deal that we were very happy with. We really didn’t know exactly what we were getting into, being first time car buyers, but after watching your videos we were not surprised by any of the tactics the sales people gave us. We ended up walking out of the dealership because they were not at the number we wanted and as soon as we got down the road they gave us a call offering the OTD price we wanted. So I just wanted to leave a comment saying thank you for the video, it really helped!!
My pleasure please share 🙏
@@WhiteBoardFinance So is It a good idea to drop a 40% down payment?
I just payed off my Honda Accord that only has 50k miles on it. Looking forward to many years with no car payments.
u got 450k miles left before engine needs oil change and 200k left on tranny lol
Victor Sanchez If it’s a manual make that 800k
@@u13erfitz never seen a honda with 800k yet.... are you sure thats not toyota?
Too bad it’s such a boring car.
I did that with my Saturn Ion many years ago. It's a 2006. Paid it off in 4 years and still driving it today. Has 165k miles now. The day I paid it off was a great feeling!
I love how he called me an idiot and I smiled.
Never walk into a dealership unless you’re willing to walk out.
there instantly on you like sharks
We walk out every time and rarely trade a vehicle
Max Power you know your shit!
Never buy unless the salesman and manager are screaming at you.
M Detlef , pure genius. Bet you paid sticker price.
It always amazed me how people will argue over $1,000 on the listed price of a car but just accept whatever interest rate is given to them.
If you have the cash to buy the car today, sometimes it worth getting a loan at the dealership with a higher interest rate but with added incentives to bring the price of the car down and just pay the loan off the following month.
Tim Tebow sure is knowledgeable about cars
HILARIOUS!!
Pat Maroon
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I KNEW I HAVE SEEN THIS GUY BEFORE! HAHAHAHA
Yes, especially Jaguars. 😅
Thank you Marko for this video. I don't buy trucks often but I have this video saved and every single time one of my friends talks about buying a car, I send them this video.
I told this guy who was selling me the payment, and not the price. He was very Adamant. I told him that I’m not buying a payment. and that’s all they would discuss. So, i went and got my own financing from my bank, and boy did that make them mad! I bought that Jeep well below it’s value! Know the basics!!!
@Brian Rakestraw, Same! They DO get so mad! I didn’t realize that until today I bought a Chevy Malibu. Got pre-approved by a bank and all I needed from the dealer was a purchase order.
F&I manager guy tried to act super important but couldn’t. Because I had done his job😂😂😂 he treated me like a piece of shit but I didn’t care. I didn’t try to find friends. I found a good car. Lol
Just remember these dealership guys do this several times a day, but you probably only do it once every few years. They get a lot more practice than you do. Beware.
true
Kinda like a Vegas casino...
Don't let them pressure you into signing same day. They'll be just as willing to sell you a car tomorrow and if they aren't you can go elsewhere.
I am nasty in math
Alot more practice. And beleive they are better at it than you.
in 2017 i bought a 2016 corolla. i already had my own financing lined up through my bank. it was golden to see the finance guy.. he turned nearly every shade of red when i said i have my own financing. :) it was wonderful. i loved every moment of it.
As a former salesman, If you do decide to finance a car, don’t focus on the payments. They will distract you with what you want your payments to be but never drop the actual sticker price down.
So you already made all your money and trying to fuck over everybody else getting into the car business by telling people they’re all trying to scam you, ect. Maybe a small amount of salesman are pos but majority are just trying to feed their family like everybody else. Salesman also need to make money.
@@Jodyjo99 they need to go do something that’s actually beneficial to society then.
@@romanshevy257 lmfaoo the stupidity in that comment is comedy🤦🏽♂️😂 giving people something they’ve dreamed of for a good price while also helping the salesmen out isn’t beneficial for both parties? Dude you probably work at a grocery store or some shit stop acting like you’re saving the world with your job
I live in the far north. The dealers automatically add paint sealant (minimum wage employee that waxes your car) for $350, scotchguard ($7.50) for $300, rustproofing (they do nothing; the galvanized body last longer than guarantee) for $1500 and free lifetime oil changes. The $2150 added to the sticker price is how they lower the price (even though they have maybe $15 into it), plus the "fake" repairs they find to be done with oil changes adds thousands. I know.....I used to work in one. Their favorite things to "add" during oil changes are transmission lines ($600-700$) and water pumps ($700-$1000). Almost every car that comes through ends up "needing" these within the first 3 years and they always find them during the "free" oil changes.
Midnight Synergzs
Midnight Synergy tygghgttyccgcvcc
These guys......these guys......
My experience at dealerships being scammed they have convinced me it is less expensive to just repair older vehicles than give a dealership a third of my monthly income.
If you have a good private mechanic, you can trust it is
haha, worked as a mechanic for several dealerships in my 20s.. this is so flipping true. I have tried to train my family and friends on these angles... only a few have ever listened to me.
If there weren't so many stupid people who fall for their scams, they wouldn't get away with it. I'm having to do without a car because I refuse to be SCAMMED.
So they just wait until a cud chewing dumb ass comes along. No problem for them.
So if I'm looking at a used car from a Toyota dealership what should I do? I haven't banked with a credit union since 2014, can I get them to finance something for me even if I don't bank with them?
Easy ways to fix this.
Always sell your own vehicle.
If you can get your own financing
And never look at montly payments, ALWAYS LOOK AT THE end price of the vehicle they are trying to sell you.
Just today I went into a dealer and they literally refused to sell me a car when they knew they couldn’t scam me out.
I'm running into this now. Looking for a bigger vehicle to accommodate a bigger family and I go right past the monthly payments into price, or I figure out what the monthly payments add up to and adjust it down to whatever price I wanted plus reasonable interest. They dont budge and I just walk away. Used car prices are nuts right now.
That's crazy! I noticed for a few years now that I have to really push to get a price for the vehicle and not a monthly payment number! So insulting and annoying
I’ve sold cars at 5 different dealers and all played these games causing me to fail because of my honesty and transparency. I left the business but was blessed with finding a single spot, family owned dealership that presents all information upfront, no 4 square B.S and full transparency. It is the ideal place to work with, because of our honest ways unfortunately customers still follow the low low prices most dealers (that play these games) advertise to drag you in. But i can sleep at night with where I work. But yes, you see a 4 square worksheet presented to you, get ready to play their games!
thats honest and with morals and values. You were raised well.
Lee Speyrer thanks unfortunately I wasn’t raised well really. Had to figure a lot out on my own. Now I walk with the Lord.
C Conner thanks 🙏 hard part is when customers leave and fall trap to other dealerships misleading online prices. I just hope that I can make a living doing this job. I do enjoy it but it’s rough.
I "purchased" a 1995, Accord EX (used) back in the day. I was abused deliberately regarding their Financing which was outrageous. I advised the Sales/Finance Dept. that would I acquire a loan through my bank which was significantly lower than the Nazi Dealership P.O.S.(s). This aforementioned scenario was disturbing and insulting. Never will I purchase any vehicle from a Dealership again.
I have been in the car business for 12 years and did leave a dealership that I couldn't work for because of their practices. Now I have found a home at an honest dealership and have been there for 7 years. It's unfortunate what shady dealerships have done to the car industry because I do love what I do and helping people. The problem I run into now is the stereotypes associated with our profession and the general public's perception that if we make any money selling them a car then they didn't get a good deal. More and more people come in wanting to know what our bottom dollar price is and seem to get offended when we may not be able to discount our vehicles thousands of dollars. I guess I could be more understanding if we could walk into furniture stores, clothing stores, grocery stores, etc. and pay their invoice pricing. I have a family to take care of and pay taxes like the next person, so I think it's perfectly ok for us to make a money selling cars.
I remember buying my car 2 years ago, out the door price 32,290. Come signing papers, it was 35,000. I asked the dealer what happened, he said " oh the taxes and fees blah blah", and I did the math right in front of him and showed him it didn't add up and he left and returned with the correct amount.
Glad you didn't fall for it! Good for you but I bet they get a lot of people with that one. SMH
Same happened to me. That's why you always check what you are signing, because they get tricky with price
Yes I got screwed too. I've been looking over my paperwork on my current car and it has the wrong interest rate and the base price was higher than what I saw online. I had no idea they would screw me like that. Lesson learned.
Wow!
A car I like 26500 on sticker . Then they want 30020 after all is done and less then half on KBB on trade in . That's why Mercedes dealer make 100k plus a year. Biggest waste of money
I use to work at a dealership for 11 years. He is telling you the truth
100%
Just pay cash 😂
The truth? About what, how dealerships make money? What's his next video about, how the grocery store "rips" you off by making money? He didn't explain how the dealership rips you off, he only explained how they make their money. I can't believe people expect a business to sell them something and NOT make a profit.
@@WhiteBoardFinance
Change your channel's name to just 'Whiteboard Finance' and drop your birth name at the front of it.
@@Andrewkc1969 It's the difference between buying a $200 dollar mattress for $400 instead of $999. It's not that people don't expect others to make a living from profit, but noone likes being taken to the cleaners for unethical price tags! It's the whole matter of intrinsic value vs. perceived value.
Actual value vs perceived value
In layman's terms, the real (or actual) value is what the product is actually worth, without any outside expectations from the consumer or seller. Perceived (or intangible) value is what consumers think the product is actually worth. Marketers create intangible value to make up (greedily profit) for real value.
There should be a one semester course in high school 1 hour per school day about basics like this. Thanks for sharing the truth
Ummm..we have the internet so....
Schools are too busy pushing propaganda!
I just passed this video and the 7 car scams to avoid video onto a girl friend of mine who is going to be buying a new or used car next week. I told her "watch these videos before you go car shopping!!!" and she promised she would. So thank you for doing these.
I worked as a banker for 9 months and we had a similar sales approach to our loans and credit cards. I hated it so much. Guess I didnt have the fortitude to knowingly rip old or broke people off. I quit.
gosh, my banker is trying to sell us a line of credit and company credit card now. they're relentless.
They're all brokers aka sales agents and the only lender is you because it's your signature on the promissory note, the Banksters never sign to be liable for anything. The dealer is going to transfer aka sell/assign your documents and promissory note aka bond over to the Banksters who are really brokerage insurance/assurance companies calling themselves investors. It's all fraud!!!
Good ,your integrity as a person is more important than any money on the world
@@romeg9893 gtfkdfggdgmfshi
You earn my respect man!
This needs to go viral !!! I’m 60 yrs old now, and i was laughing at this video because it reminded me of my younger self many years ago getting ripped off on car deals.
This is now me. Getting ripped off.
Separate your transactions. You're doing 3 things, not one. You're selling a car, borrowing money, and buying a car. If you do all three things at the same time, you give the dealership the power to leverage one aspect of the deal against another.
1. Do your prep work. Know what your car is worth. Get printouts of the Carfax and Edmonds and Kelley Blue Book values for it. Figure out which car you want to buy (including trim level). Find out the MSRP, the book value, and the actual selling price in the area. Also call a few dealerships to ask what the extended warranty costs. Decide before you ever leave your house whether or not you're getting an extended warranty. Shop for rates on a loan with several banks and credit unions.
2. Go to a bank or credit union and get pre approved for a loan under terms that you're comfortable with.
3. Go to the dealership and haggle down the price of the car to what you're comfortable with. Close the deal and fill out the paperwork.
4. After you have the keys in hand, tell the dealer: "On second thought, maybe I do need to sell my old car. I can't drive them both home. Here's the Carfax on it and the Edmonds and Kelley Blue Book Values on it. I know you need to have a margin in there, but what'll you give me for it?" Be comfortable with walking away and selling the car on your own if they lowball you too much.
It's also helpful to mess with them to show them that you're on equal ground. "That's a really nice brochure you've had printed. I bet a lot of people think those extended warranty prices are fixed because they're printed in a brochure. I'll give you $750 for the extended warranty." Whether you end up buying the warranty or not, it shows that you're not fooled by simple mind games.
What do u mean by extended warrantys not being fixed?
@@indo3052, when you buy a car at the dealership, they take you back to the "finance office" to shoe you brochures of what the extended warranties are and what they cover. They often have the prices printed in them. Sometimes, the look up the prices based on the year and model of the car. None of that matters. The price of the warranty is more flexible than they want you to believe. Sure, there's a bottom limit that they can't sell a warranty below without losing money. But that bottom limit is much lower than the brochure price.
- - ahh. Thx...good thing u can usually get a prorated refund on them after the fact. I just did on one vehicle
Hey 3 weeks ago !! Thank you so much for taking the time to post this incredibly valuable information.. Very kind of you.... :)
- - I agree with your recommendations with one alteration. If you wait until you have the keys in your hand you are missing out on possible sales tax reduction from a trade-in. So, as you said, do you homework on the new vehicle, know what you can get from others for your old vehicle, have a great financing option already figured out before you walk in the dealership, negotiate the price of the new car/truck without any other distractions (I prefer to do over the phone with the dealership’s Internet salesperson), *then* talk trade-in.
If you wait until you have the keys in your hand you are missing out on possible sales tax reduction from a trade-in. Hypothetical example: if your trade-in is a 4 year old platinum F-150 FX4 and worth $35K a trade-in might reduce the sales tax by $2,500. Other offers would need to be that much better than what the dealership is offering.
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I subscribed for a few trading courses but it didn't help much, been getting suggestions to use a proper financial advisor, how did you go about touching base with your adviser
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Wow, that’s stirring! Do you mind connecting me to your advisor please. I desperately need one to diversified my portfolio.
I’ve actually been looking into advisors lately, the news I’ve been seeing in the market hasn’t been so encouraging. who’s the person guiding you?
Right on. I learned about the quad years ago. I never mention a trade until the end, I don't disclose my method of payment (always cash) until we've settled on a price, and I keep the conversation in the upper right the whole time. I bring ads from other dealers from a 200 mile radius. Tell them you're willing to drive 3 hours to save $x,xxx.00.
I've been offered jobs at dealerships after buying cars, and I'm not a smart dude.
This was more useful than the whole video, thanks!
When car dealerships can’t screw over the customer, they screw over the sales rep.
Could not have been said better.
True. They meaning sales manager
Freditasium YES FUCKING SIR. FUCK WORKING IN THE CAR TRADE.
True....but not the customers problem...
They signed up for the whole tour. No tears for them. They take the commissions without any qualms they can take the screwing equally.
Reflective white board, sqeeky old sketch pens, heiroglyphic handwriting , what saves the day ? GREAT HONEST CONTENT 👍
LOL! Thanks
This video is 2 years old now but I can not express enough his advise to go get pre-approval at a good bank or credit union FIRST before going to a car dealership. It works.
Do you get pre approval for a specific amount first? Or do you find the car you want and then approach the credit union?
I’ve worked in dealerships for over 20 years.
The finance department is the absolute bottom of the barrel.
This video is accurate
then you are a turd, probably never made it to management!
@Terry Melvin sure because if you finance directly from a bank or credit union they will not repo you???
Credit unions pay a "flat" to a store for selli g them a deal, zero rate markup allowed, warranties come with a markup of course. Does Best Buy sell warranties out of the goodness of their heart? For those who end up needing them theyre well worth it. The car business is not always this guys take. I will show you carfax and autocheck. I will show you an independent aim report to condition of vehicle. I will show you all available service history including our recon bill, and the checklist for inspection, brakes, tires etc. My cars are worth more than the cheap outliers because i don't have to hide anything. How is that ripping you off?
This guy is just another joke. Failed car guy broke off his @$$. I’ve been in the car industry for 20 years.... seeing this is another financial advisor with bad credit spinning BS. Most dealerships/manufacturers have 0% financing so banks can’t do better. Catch is for all u people saying “the big bad car guys” pay ur bills so u can qualify! Now the 20 year guy saying finance is the bottom of the barrel..... get out of the industry please. Your the reason we have a bad name. Hang up your gold nugget ring and white shoes. Lot lizards are dead just like the “for square” go be a Walmart greater where you belong. As for this youtuber your about 5 years behind! Go back to school. No one uses for squares anymore.
D .G please get out of the car industry! The industry doesn’t need deadbeat lot lizards dragging us down!
The best actors aren't in Hollywood... They work in Car Dealerships! Great insight Marko! Thanks for the video!
Lol thanks for watching :)
@The fastest milkman in the West Well as much as I hate it. Everyone does and should have a fair trial because sometimes those "rapists" are actually innocent and just women lying and even happens with some alleged murderers too.
Thanks for what ? It’s not true what he was saying
best actors are those around you calling themselves 'friends'
I recently bought a new car. They went straight for monthly payment talk. I said I don’t care what the payment is, I’m not worried about that. Let’s talk about the price of the car first, then I’ll worry about my payment. Take control of the convo!
The price of the car is directly related to your monthly payment. If you want to finance a car that cost roughly 25k, after TTL and a good apr, your payments can only be so high or low. People want to buy a 50k vehicle with no money down and 300 a month. It is insane.
@Terry Melvin If you go into the dealership expecting to get every single incentive offered then that is on you. Buying a car is a two way negotiation. At the end of the day, the dealership wants to sell you a car, profit is profit, no matter how small the margin. If they have to bend to make only 500$, they know they can make it up on a trade with someone else. Just have to know how to play the game and what to leverage.
@Terry Melvin I dont think you have a clue what your saying. Do you do ANY research before you go to buy? If you did then you wouldnt be bending over at all. Most dealerships these days dont bother with additional mark up on cars because of the internet. They arent stupid...they know people have all they need at their fingertips.
A finance major lecturing on TH-cam, I like that!
Great job. I just went into a dealership last week. He did exactly what you said. He really lowballed my trade-in and he tried to get me to sign a worthless piece of paper. I told him I’m not signing anything. He said “but I need to have something I can take back to the manager. “I told him I’m not signing anything . now take it back to your manager. “I ended up walking out. Of course within a week he called us back and said “what do I need to do to earn your business?. “There’s nothing this guy can do to earn my business
Steven this video advice is talk trade in after you negotiate that way a big minus will happen listen to almost at the end of video.
These same guys keep emailing me too months after I walked out. 🤣
As a Finance Manager for over 10 years. This is entirely accurate. The trade is quite accurate. The trade is alot of time being pinched. Best way of explaining this is your trade vs actual cash value. Alot of time the ACV is higher than what's shown. That's used in what's known as front end profit. The other part of front end profit is Price minus Invoice. Dont believe in invoice is what we payed for it. Dealership have what's called holdback. That's profit built into the invoice.
Within the 4 square they also built in what's called reserve. Easiest way to explain that is the bank says your a certain tier. A, B, C, or D. So at A tier they are allowed 3 points. So your banks buy rate is say 4.9 but they get you to sign at 6.9. The profit is called reserve. Hope this helps as well.
Thank you for the info! All of this 4 square stuff is nonsense though. I know why it's done, but on the buyer side, the best thing they can do is to come in already knowing more about the car they want than the actual dealership and running the negotiation from their side of the table. No need to be rude or anything, basically just come in prepared. When you guys see someone on the lot wondering around like a lost puppy, that's when you guys smell MONEY..lol
@@romeoj30 ..Doing your own homework is essential.
If a salesman pulled that 4 square on me I'd laugh in his face. Just talk price of the car dude.
Hi.. What exactly is ACV? I'm guessing the V means Value?
@@remiem-iw7uk ..lol..read the comment, Sherlock!
Dealer told me they'd give $2K for my 14 year old Tacoma on a trade in . I advertised it on Craigslist instead and got $9K. Yeah I can see why used cars are more profitable for them.
They bother you a few months after you buy one
thats because that car would not be something sold on a lot and go to auction where theres the risk of not even getting 2k for it. when you have older trades its always better to sell on your own cause youll get more for it.
I got $2k for my truck with a very small leak in the head gasket. They can make all the profit they want I got a deal.
Roberto Smith wow good for you Roberto!
I traded in a car once and they started out wanting to give me 2,500 for my trade. I get them up to $5,000. They had the car on their used car lot a week later asking $9,995.
Thank you for this, it was helpful.
But I REALLY hate these stupid negotiating games we have to endure just to get a vehicle, mainly just to go back and forth to our jobs.
9.7K dislikes are from dealership agents or people that just bought new cars
Thx for the likes
Or people who got "took"
Yes bcus this guy is piece of shit bcus he also was doing it before!!! His such an idiot for this video..
Tell us how you really feel, @@aboadeko805
Maurice Clark true that
Abo Adeko he’s not black, so he doesn’t steal cars like you.
My favorite part is when they send you to the finance department, make you wait 45 min to an hour so that you are so anxious to get the hell out of there that you wont read any of the details on all the paperwork they "throw" at you.
Worked at a dealership for about 10 months. I paid attention to the training and really applied myself. I actually led the dealership in sales 2 out of the 10 months I worked there. I was honest with my customers and tried to deal fairly with everyone I came in contact with. I came to the realization that I was working for a bunch of crooks. From the owner and managers to the finance guys and the service department. I took my abilities elsewhere and will never buy a car from a dealership again.
Where else would you consider shopping for cars
@@TheNegrodamus89 Online from a private individual. You can find the right car at the right price. You have so many to choose from.
I had almost the same experience as well...didn't wait around for 10 months though, just 4. Learned a TON on what not to do in sales. Now I sell IT solutions to hospitals that help save lives.
Dennis Smock you have left the herd..Congrats.
@@TheNegrodamus89 Like other commenters, I buy exclusively from on-line sources and private sales.
Thank you, brother. It was very informative. Stay blessed!
Dealership valued my used car for 900. Sold it for 4000 privately.
Of course they would. If they gave everyone market value for their car, they would be out of business pretty quickly.
Yep! There ya' go!
^..^~~
So you ripped someone else off
@@PainBlame sold it for like 600 below autotrader suggested price. If anything, helped the purchaser out.
Tahir S and they are probably still looking for you👤
The easiest method is to take care of the vehicle you have, learn it inside and out and learn how and when to do at least the basic service on it and keep records.
Yes because an old car will be more technologically advanced, fuel efficient and have better road manners than a newly engineered car.....
J Dikanza That part is obvious. The point is, if you take care of your vehicle, and maintain it well, it should last you a long, long time, and you won't need to go into debt for a new vehicle that you likely won't take care of either.
@@tommyaintgotnojob who buys a new car for the technology lol
@@johndowe7003 Lots of younger car buyers want cars with technological innovations. People who rave about their 10 to 30 year old car simply can't afford a brand new car so they try to make ridiculous justifications like this post. I'd rather own a 2019 Toyota Camry than a 2009 Toyota Camry.
@@tommyaintgotnojob That sarcasm is stupid, you're acting like a kid.
I've got 2013 vehicle. I paid it off. Drives well. Sometimes I stop by a dealership to change oil and while they work on it I walk around dealership and check 2019 vehicles. Nothing changed since 2013. Minor changes in design and nothing else. Why would I pay 450$ every month for another few years again?
I would consider it "changes" when I can sit in a car, vocalize an address and fall asleep or read a book until my car tells me "We have arrived, sir".
Never negotiate the payments. Always negotiate the price of the car. If the payments come out to be too high then you probably cannot afford it. Sell you old car yourself. I learned it the hard way.
I disagree completely. You got to DEMAND they years of the loan. If you want $300 a month for 4 year and they say $300 a month on 60 months. You just say well 4 years or you get no car sale period. You tell them they HAVE to increase the trade in value(if you got one) or lower the price of the car. They say they can't you say well I'm just gonna take my money to another dealership. This is only possible if you have it pre planed on how much you want to pay for the car. If you want ot pay $14,400 for it and they got a sticker price of $15,500. That's how you do it.
Correct. Dealers try to sell you with the payment amount, not the actual full cost.
@@alexknight1687 You sound like an entitled prick, if I'm honest. You don't need to demand anything. There's no reason you can't have a reasonable discussion with the salesperson and manager to get the deal you want. In fact they often give better deals to people with a good attitude instead of self-righteous assholes who think they're going to get one over on the dealership.
@@Darion350 taking up for the dealerships? Lol. So you're tryin to say they go by attitude and not numbers. Lol.
@@laynecombs6500 I didn't say that. I worked for Mercedes Benz for many years (2 years as sales after I was injured as a tech) and I can tell you that we worked to sell cars to people who were genuinely nice over people who were assholes during the negotiation process. I'm not saying we weren't trying to make money (what business doesnt?) but when push came to shove we tried to make the deal work for people who treated us nicely over people who were assholes.
All I'm saying is that going in with a plan is smart but you don't accomplish anything by being a jerk.
Thanks Marko, we always did the things you mentioned but not in such detail. Thank you, we know it takes lots of time in making and editing these videos, appreciate your free knowledge.
Keep negotiating until you get the car for free plus the candy bowl they have on their desks
I dare you to go into business and sell everything for free and see how long you are in business. Good luck!!
Magic Banana Gamer the candy comes with the price of a toothache.
Lmfao 😂🤣😭 that would be nice... haha
@@theroddimus Ninesven is just kidding. You simply walk out if you don't get the deal you want. No biggie
H.I.L.L.A.R.I.O.U.S.!
You should make a video giving an example of how you should negotiate with the finance manager. Like a full walkthrough of buying a new/used car.
You don’t. Get your own financing, then present that information once you’ve negotiated the price, NOT the monthly payments.
If you're negotiating with the finance manager, you've already done it all wrong. See my post above.
Never trade in a car. Sell it yourself. A dealership tried to give me $1,200 for a car I had as a trade-in, I declined and sold it myself for $4,300.
Absolutely. Get a quote from Carmax and use that as a base. Sell it yourself for more.
You are absolutely right. People worry about that...and I did myself. But it's not that difficult. Sold my car myself. Was the first time doing it and it was realy easy. The dealership was giving me 4 800$ on a trade...sold the car myself for 9 000$!!!
Terry Melvin wow
@@Craig805 better than CARMAX, just get on auto trader or a similar site and see what similar cars to yours are priced at.
Good job genius. It’s called wholesale vs retail. The dealer needs to sell your car at a profit. Dealers are good at what they do. No one is stupid enough to pay you retail value for your car and then turn around and sell it at no profit.
Not only that... simply multiply the monthly payment by the term length to see how much in interest you are forking over.... It will open your eyes as you will see you've pretty much bought a compact car with the interest alone!
Why can’t we just buy a car at the factory where they’re made?
lobbyists
Its all about money money money
Sure just need a Visa and a passport, and drive down to Mexico and Canada, or drive 1500 miles to Detroit.
Didn't think that one out huh
You did not understand how capitalism works, it seems!
You can but you’ll have to pay shipping handling and other fees.
Thanks a lot man, your videos save many people from getting their rear end serviced.
Really enjoyed it
😂 “rear-end serviced”
@@WorldlyBudget was
My last rear end service was $2100. Thanks Ford Flex. Wasn’t even a dealership.
Omg stop.
@@eswing2153 you bought a Ford what you expect 🤣
" The downvotes are used car salesmen "
they mad
Dislikes not downvotes
I think it all depends. What he says is true for most part but a lot of dealerships now are trying to move older style vehicles and offering a low interest rate.... Mazda and Subaru are offering 0APR for 60mo. How can you beat that
@@marlonestrella8105 How can you beat that? Buy an older version of the car with cash... 100% down 0 financing... period
@@jackstraw5527 yeah but you would have to buy a really old car and it may not have the features you want... if it’s something you want, you buy it (only if it’s affordable and you don’t go beyond your means)
You get a product that you’re not happy with, you might as well throw your money away.... why buy an older model, why don’t you just buy a salvage junk car, ride a bike? Take the bus? Fkn wall? That shit is free! Lol
Funniest part for me is I just signed a contract for 389/mo. Should've watched this video first. Thumbs up!
Google analytics kept you on the TH-cam sidebar but I never clicked.
Thanks for the video, i'm one of those dumb people who don't or for that matter cant keep numbers in my brain.
I'm more impressed by your clear speaking voice for 11 minutes straight, without any major mistakes stopping and back tracking.
Definitely teacher/ professor material here.
Nah, he's just an ex-car salesman. They can talk to you for hours. Jp he's good tho lol
I love this guy and his comments like "if you go for this, your an idiot". Killer and truthful. Sad fact is this guy knows what he is talking about. Keep up the good work Marko!
Maximus
Thank you
*you're.
Great video Marko....I did as you suggested and got pre-approved and financed through my credit union, before going to the dealership. Thanks so much!!!
My pleasure, thanks for watching Tim
Just bought my first 2020 Kia Soul and it is completely paid for and it is all mine!
You do know most dealership has lower APR rate than your "credit union"?
This was amazing. I am in the process of buying a car and this gives me way more confidence about understanding my decision. Thank you, Marko.
Marko changed skin color 💀
how did it go
Simple as this.....have a plan. Buy used or if you want new, go in with your own 4 square numbers on paper and say "Match this or i walk." But once again thanks for the great vids!! keep it up
Everytime I walk into a dealership... I head straight to the soda pop and popcorn machine, grab what I can and walk straight out.
😂😂
Gold
u made me laugh soo hard... LOL
too funny!!!
What IF you buy car with cash? And they lower the car price?
Funny story I went to dealer and they gave me 8% of interest and I left them and go to my bank they gave 1.74%.
Wow such a badass
That means the dealership doesn't work with your bank.
sergio gentili o
sergio gentili ooo
Surroundrive Show Car manufacturers have their own banks: GM finance, Toyota finance....the dealership finances through them, not a local bank.
The “ dreaded “ four square. I sold cars for 15 years and only the the new car stores insisted that we use it. It’s smoke and mirrors. Great video !
I’ve never laughed so hard by being called an idiot
He calls you an idiot then you hit like and subscribe. It’s the way the universe works... 😂
My goodness I should of watched this video in 2015. They used and abused me. Learnt my lesson somewhat. All I know is... go in with the price you want to pay, the car trade in value you want, and the payments you want to pay. Don’t budge at all until they do.
Exactly! I went in with my own financing, a Kelly Blue Book value for my old car, and the average sale price for the car I wanted. I told them, "I'm ready to buy today if you meet my terms." The salesman countered at $2K more cost to me and wouldn't budge, so I left. Went to a nearby town and gave them the same offer. They accepted immediately. A couple days later, the original salesman called my cell and asked if I was still interested. I told him that I already bought my new car!
You're an idiot
I'm having trouble understanding why it makes one an "idiot" to do your homework so you know how much you should pay and what your trade in is worth.
Don't trade anything. Get the car detailed, and sell it yourself. Why are you giving them your money for no reason???
@WorldGangWatch Car Auctions are a real gamble. Sometimes they pay off but half the time they dont, you end up with a real junker lol better off buying a Used Car off a Friend or Facebook Market.
My Brother has been in the car business forever. His advice: "always pay cash for a good used vehicle" if you always do this you will be able to retire at 60. His advice for a good used car,any Toyota Carolla. My last car was purchased from a dealership, NEVER again will I buy from these thieves!
Kelly Keefe Is your brother named Scotty Kilmer?
@@josephdiaz7019 No- but he is a lot like Scotty-he does not take anyone's bullshit!
@Gus Goose I'm glad somebody said it.
Agreed. I buy german luxury cars at peak depreciation, drive them, enjoy then, and sell them
@Gus Goose in your case that would be true but a lot of folks look at a car as getting from point A to point B
I bought a Tesla and I completely avoided all of this Bs. Best purchasing experience ever!
I got ganged up on by the salesman, floor manager, sales manager, and finance Honcho.
What a bad trip baby...
so what happened?
Same thing happened to me today but I already knew how they work so I argued with them a little bit just for fun then walked off.
Just ask for an "Option Contract", that will give you 5 days to find your own financing and in most cases when the Finance Manager hears the word "Option Contract" they usually drop the rate because they want to keep the deal in-house.
Wish I knew this!
is that in all states?
@@iamdenislara Great question... I am located in So Cal so I know you can here but can't say for other states for certain but I would assume yes for most of them.
@@textvendingracing5189 NO WAY in so cal??? thanks for the info.. I love Cali..
Better yet...arrive at the dealership with your own financing already arranged and cut the dealership out from Jump Street. I did this twice through USAA who cut me a blank check with a fixed APR and then all I had to negotiate was the final price. This really pisses off salesmen.
I paid off the loan on my 1999 Camry in 2002. I still drive the Camry. I loath car payments.
A Camry is a quality product. The timing chains on Camrys are built better than than anything used on a Ford or VW product.
I drive Toyota Yaris 1999 (Echo in Usa). My mother bought it 2003 and gave it to me two years ago. I have taken care of it the whole time and it still drives well, it has 230000km on it and last time I calculated it consumed about 6.2l/100km. Sorry my broken English and greetings from Finland.
Nakke Nakuttaja Neat. There are GM econoboxes and Hyundais made years later that are now in junkyards.
Nakke Nakuttaja Toyota’s are great cars. Greetings from Florida.
Smart. I bought a Saturn in 96, paid off in 98, drove it to work today. 250k miles and still works great.
This video brought my out-the-door price from $18600 to $15500. Thanks Marko!
Damn! I literally got suckered like this today! BTW, you can also add “fear of losing the deal due to bad credit score” to their bag of tricks !!
Yup, but if you can get family member with good credit to co-sign, you're golden.
ain't no trick to paying ya bills
You need to understand that FICO does not determine anything. Leave FICO alone, stick to buying good used cars, with cash. Never buy new, new cars are a poor value proposition. Don't follow the Joneses, if you do, you'll be right behind them in bankruptcy court. If you're not a car guy or mechanically inclined, develop a good relationship with a trusted neighborhood mechanic, they usually charge a small fee to inspect a car before you buy it, paying $50-$100 for a thorough inspection can save you thousands of dollars in expensive repairs down the road.
I’ve got great credit so I always get 0% or like 0.9% max I like to lease as well. I bring my wife she haggles the fuck out of the dealer. Haha I don’t like to but I think she enjoys it.
1) Practice walking into lots of dealerships and walk away every time until you've decided what car you really want. 2) Once you've decided on a car know how much the car you want to buy is worth before you walk in. 3) Walk into the dealership knowing what car you want to purchase and give them your phone to call (we'll be using this later). 4) Walk in and tell the salesman you need to be somewhere in x minutes (60 is a good number) and you'll be leaving then (you have something you need to go to/be at). If you don't, they're going to use stalling tactics to make you wait around to make you be more willing to buy (psychology 101). Open your phone up while the salesman is there watching you and set a 60 minute timer for your "I've got to be at appt/leave by/make an excuse". 5) From your previous research you know what the car is worth, add tax man, and tell them I'll buy this car for that amount. HAVE THAT NUMBER. Every time financing/addons/anything else comes up, go back to market value of car+tax(+$500-1000 dealership profit)=total and I'm walking out unless I'm paying my pre-calculated total. 6) Most likely your 1hr time has gone off, and the dealership has not agreed to your pre-calculated number so you've left the dealership (because they will never give to a reasonable deal unless you prove you're not a sucker and walk away), but you gave them your phone number in step 1. 7) When they call you back, agree to your pre-calculated walk-out-the-door number go back, and make sure you walk out with your original number. They made some money, you have a car. Done. Understand Monthly payment x Months = Total. So it the examples of the video: You know the car is worth $24,900. If you have a trade-in, $4000 should come off that (and you've pre-checked what your trade-in is worth. If these are your numbers that's $24,900-4000=20,900. So now we're talking financing....on $20,900. They offered $500x60 months=$30,000. You know you're only wanting to pay $20,900 so they want almost $10,000 in financing profit split between dealership and finance company? That's why you've already pre-qualified financing elsewhere for the $21,000 and you say I'll take it for $21K or walk away. Or finance for $22K with the auto. Keep doing the math and you'll know where the profits keep trying to slip in.
Thanks for taking your time to type this up..... The video and the comments turned out to be very useful
Thanh you very much.
I like step 4 set a timer and walk out in 60 min. Great time saver, so silly most of us didn’t think of it 🤔.
If you are buying a car, you should care about one thing. The amount you are paying. If you are concerned with the other three, you are not in a financial position to buy a car, or you are in a position to be taken advantage of.
Sell your car yourself, get financing from your bank at a low rate, walk in and eliminate this silly 4 square nonsense.
You could even buy the car from a individual and not a dealership. Buy and sell outside of any dealership unless you want and can afford a new car.
There is also the possibility of simply using public transit, car pooling, and/or a bicycle combined with finding work closer to home or moving closer to work. Also make sure grocery store is close enough. Cars are money sink holes no matter what, (insurance, gas, maintenance, tabs etc) finding ways of going without one is always worth looking into.
@@firstlast-cs6eg
Pretty much. A car is not an investment. But a petrol head like me will enjoy then.
@@theenchilada1525 What is a "petrol head"? And the end of that second sentence ... I didn't understand it at all.
6% is lower than 16%. Price isn't the only factor
@@WrapperOfflineFan204 exactly... one dealership gave me 34% interest, I didn't care because I was paying mostly cash and would have the rest paid off within 3 months.. but a year later another lender gave me 1.9% ..people will argue all day over $1,000 off the sticker price but not bat an eye at paying triple that when the dealership marks up their interest by 1.5%
Just told a dealer that our bank was going to finance with us and their faces said it all. They went so far as to say that they’d have to keep the vehicle for 10 days for the check to clear and they still have the option to sell it during that time. Told this to our bank and they never heard such a thing
I had to read that second sentence twice because I couldn't understand it. That's wild. If I buy the car and sign on the dotted line, it's a sealed deal and neither of us can get out of it.