Moving a dead body and cleaning up the blood would probably throw the insanity plea off the table because it is a way to show that a person knows what they are doing.
@@michaelperez9966 No. They have to be unable to control their behavior or distinguish right from wrong due to a mental disease or defect. Hiding a crime tends to show the person knew it was wrong. Legal insanity has a high threshold of proof. Some courts do offer more wiggle room for proving temporary insanity, but the conditions that satisfy this are very specific, like walkimg in on a spouse cheating.
@@evelynwaugh4053 it’s still possible to clean up a murder during psychosis and be legally insane, though. I agree it makes it much more difficult to prove. Same with premeditation. It’s possible with psychosis, just not as common and certainly makes it more difficult to prove psychosis. Like the girl who had her first break psychosis and tried to “save her mother” by cutting open her mother with a knife. She thought her “real mother” was trapped inside the “fake mother” and she was trying to save her. She planned it out, a few hours in advance, and then when she couldn’t find the “real mother” she did try to clean up the mess. And then she called 9-11 Psychosis can be present during the act itself but can resolve or partially resolve as well. So the murder might be not-guilty due to reason of insanity while the person can still be guilty of trying to cover up a crime I think that girls mother lived from that attack, too. How awful that must have been.
@@evelynwaugh4053 You said no, and then didn’t address what I actually said. I’ve also read up on cases where someone was found not guilty by mental defect despite trying to hide their crime and saying in the police interrogation they knew it was wrong.
My mother has BPD, and whether or not I can hold her responsible for all of her undesirable behavior is a recurring question to me. She has this ability to shut her insanity off like a faucet when it suits her, only to blow up later when she can’t hold it in anymore. I have always despised the fact that she would close the faucet for other people to act normal in front of them, but she would never do the effort for her family. It seems like she deliberately chose to torment us.
Sounds like asd, not so much bpd. And yes, if she can control it, she should be held responsible for not controlling it. Abusers shouldnt get a pass. It is part of their schtick to gaslight you into suggesting you have to absorb their bad behaviours for whatever reason. I'll bet she almost never apologises (with faux apologises when she does) and also thinks her s__t doesnt stink too.
I really identify with this. My mother was the same. She was sane to the rest of the world but to us a red-faced, bulging eyed, screaming monster. People think you are lying or at least exaggerated when you tell them what she is like.
I don't know why the court doesn't employ an unbiased 3rd party who is paid a flat fee. There should be no "prestige" attached to these kinds of assessments
It's always seemed to me that general members of the public, with no expertise or relevant information come up with conclusions that support the side they entered in with.
@@KarensOpinionsMayDiffer it’s especially hard if it’s your parent. That’s really what I meant. One must deal with some people with personality disorders one way or another.
I am surprised by the comment “Nicole could have easily escaped her mother.” For a person with your credentials, Dr Grande, you should know the degree to which child abuse traps a child without any physical restraints.
It’s the truth though. My mother was awful to me growing up and killing her was never an option to me, never crossed my mind, just bided my time until 17 and ran away. There are always options unless the person is physically holding you there or physically attacking you forcing you to defend yourself.
This was exactly my thought too! Psychological abuse is just as hard, if not harder, to escape. And to definitively say that her step dad never hurt her - just because there is no proof, doesn't mean it didn't happen, ask any abuse victim.
Dr. Grande, can you please analyze the case of Steven Benson, a man who blew up his family with a car bomb for his mother’s inheritance? There are so many twists and turns and family secrets in that case. I’d love to hear your take on all of it!
I think if personality disorders counted as grounds for NGRI, you would see a significant transfer of defendants from prisons to psychiatric hospitals. As you said, it isn't always easy to distinguish between mental illnesses and personality disorders.
The criteria should be (and I believe in most places is) that if the person understood what they were doing is wrong, insanity is not a defence. Broadening those criteria would be a legal (and ethical) nightmare.
I disagree. In many more civilized countries other than the United States - Norway or Ireland, for example - they actually believe in treating the person who committed a crime in order to make them functioning members of society. I believe this little girl, given therapy and medication, could easily become a fully functioning member of society. She was clearly delusional. Punishment is wrong. It doesn't work with children, and it doesn't work with adults. I just don't know why Americans are so savage. I've lived here all my life and confess I don't understand it any better now than I did when I was a young lass.
People with abuse and trauma in childhood that have mental disorders and commit crimes should go to prison but also get a mandatory counseling sentence as well!! Very good Counselors are expensive but people who have been abused or have had trauma need help. young adults and teens can not typically afford to pay for it! Letting them sit in prison until they parole out doesn’t seem to be effective. harshly critiquing them doesn’t seem to solve anything either. Dr Grande you seem to be logical, wise and understand human behavior. I wonder if you counsel young people 🤔 young people need good mentors as there is a shortage out here! 😊
People with personality disorders KNOW the difference between RIGHT or WRONG....and they should be held accountable and rehabilitated according to their disorder!
Well that’s the thing. With a personality disorder, it’s difficult to impossible to rehabilitate them. The disorder is an intrinsic part of who they are and can’t be removed - that would be like trying to remove just the eggs from cake batter. The best we can do is help them learn to suppress their negative behaviors, redirect them by convincing them that different behavior will be more beneficial to them, or take away their ability to hurt many others by removing them from the general population. I agree that they usually know the difference between right and wrong… and it’s scary that they choose wrong.
@@ModernVintage31 I like your analogy of egg and cake batter. The government's responsibility is to protect the public from dangerous violent people of all types. The public needs compassion too.
Don't know. My wife had Borderline Personality Disorder. Usually she knew right from wrong and chose wrong, but when she was very stressed, she'd have episodes where she didn't know reality from her imagination. I could see her in that state murdering another bc she thought that person was trying to kill her.
Well we can't have people that have alot of feelings regardless of why they have them running around being a homicidal maniac killing others. Lock em up and get them help while in jail. Others need to be safe
This case was especially interesting, because of your opinions at the end of the talk concerning the legal views on mental health, and the information you imparted about personality disorders. As always, you are so articulate, and have a great voice (and sense of humor!).
The trouble is that insanity is a legal and not a medical term. So we are evaluating if a particular medical diagnosis meets the definition but I think that can only be determined case by case.
In order for an insanity defend to be valid, you have to prove that you weren't able to differentiate between right and wrong. People with personality disorders know that their actions are hurtful; it's just that they're more interested in having their own needs met. I don't think that a personality disorder meets those requirements.
Exaftly. Darrell brooks misinterpreted his personality disorder diagnosis as a mental illness. He really tried to convince the judge to put him somewhere he could "fight this"
Totally agree with your comments on the legal system. A mental defect is sometimes if not most of the time a biological defect, which when early childhood violence or neglect are added, is a recipe for incorrect behavior. If someone has one, and there is a crime committed, that could be a cause. Not an excuse. Every violent offender should not just be evaluated, but also undergo diagnostic testing. The important thing is that they are removed from society, but our society is bent towards "justice" and vengeance. So putting them in a facility for mental health issues is seen as "letting someone off the hook". That person is never going to be off the hook. JMO.
How accurate can diagnostic testing be? How easy to fudge or "play the part"? It's not a perfect quantitative science. And diagnostic criteria change to suit the social and political flavour of the day.
I'm still young (36) but even as I mature I really start to see how immature so many of our systems are. Our government's (and a lot of people, especially older people) are so obsessed with punishing wrong doing to such an extreme degree and have no interest in understanding what causes the behavior in order to stop it from happening again. There's zero room for compassion or understanding when you're on a mission to hurt people.
Whhen in prison, offenders should see a decent psychiatrist and learn a trade. Storing them in prison cells sets them up to be repeat offenders. The prison system in this country is medieval.
It's amazing how, in the last minute or so of this video (12:07), Dr. Grande packs so much complicated and nuanced thought. I've been watching him ever since the beginning of the Gabby Petito case and am finally able to understand some of his analysis.
I really believe in the psych practitioners in their varied milieus. However it is so disconcerting to see so many different clinicians give sometimes, vastly different diagnoses. I think there are some standardized, lengthy tests to assess for certain disorders. Aren't these used? Are they not accepted practice in a court of law? EDIT: Regardless of her disorders, she was completely guilty. She is the Jeremy from the song by Pearl Jam..
The issue is that the DSM5 is behind the ICD11 in diagnosis criteria for PDs and doesn't include CPTSD. More and more research is proving the link between trauma and PDs and our current system is failing those with complex trauma in multiple ways.
I think these disorders are just descriptions of different types of a-holes. Behavior is a choice. These people make the choice to hurt other people every day. Why should those of us who choose to do better give these awful people even more than they have already taken?
Hello Dr. Grande, very well presented. Your final thoughts are professional and accurate. This is one of the videos you brought to us and I have to agree with your final thoughts. Thank you for sharing. Best Regards.
In Finland there is a system where in the case of severe crimes, if there is any indication of mental illness being involved, the court will order an independent psychiatric assessment. This can actually happen even against the will of the defendant. The psychiatric assessment is carried out in a hospital setting and usually lasts around three months or even longer. The clinicians doing the assessment have no direct link with the court system. This system is seen here in Finland as a very good system. The basic idea is that prison won't rehabilitate people whose crimes were directly linked to severe mental illness, so the risk of re-offending would be high. At the same time people who are sent to psychiatric care instead of prison have no release date, they will only be released if they have recovered well enough to not to re-offend.
This one was very interesting. I think the bias toward personality disorders in the justice system reflects the common attitude in society that people with mental disorders chose to act the way they do, and that mental disorders are less legitimate than physical ones. Thank you for exploring this topic Dr. Grande.
You're correct, because normal well adjusted. People just don't feel the need to control and mess with others. We have too much going on to do that. And it's just not in us. I don't feel satisfied picking on an innocent person who did nothing wrong to me.
Writing fanfiction means you’re “lost in a world of fantasy?” 😂 I think Dr. Grande would be surprised to learn how many people enjoy fanfic. And didn’t he write a fictional novel of his own?
My state, Arizona, allows the verdict of "guilty but insane" if a person doesn't understand why their crime is wrong due to mental illness but still could control their urges. I think it should be the same everywhere else.
This is the first time I have heard a mental health professional acknowledge that assessing a person for a diagnosis because they have been accused of a crime has a fundamental difference from diagnosing them in other circumstances. 1. The diagnosis is not being done for a therapeutic purpose. 2. Patients can be acutely aware of this. 3 Patients (guilty or not) have an extra, objective and compelling reason to lie about events, lie about their personal and family history and to falsify, to exaggerate or sometimes to minimise symptoms - all irrespective of any real condition they may have. 4. Innocent or guilty, mentally healthy or not, legally sane or not, a patient can have a legitimate concern that a mental health professional they are referred to by the state is their adversary, with interests against their own. They may also assume that a mental health professional they’re referred to by their own lawyer is part of their legal defense team. 5. As Dr Grande says, some mental health professionals appear to share those beliefs.
only if the person was in a psychosis at the time. if they knew right from wrong and were aware of what they were doing no. I had a friend with BPD who could have argued psychosis at the worst point...but it would have been impulsive things and there would be behavior issues before and after that would necessitate a trip to the psych ward, nothing planned and carried out. Trying to clean up indicates she knew what she was doing
That is what she does. She looks at the Defense's evidence. And then Lazarou looks through DSM-5 for "buckets" that may have one item or so. She then fills in those buckets with her nonsense. Sometimes outright lies. For instance one DSM bucket Lazarou testified Nicole never held a job. However, Nicole worked for one year at McDonalds to save money to go to London. Lazarou just lied. She gave Nicole a written test called SIMS. All the psychiatric publications have concluded its a phony test. Yet the Public defneders and their expert witnesses they were google lazy and couldnt figure out that the SIMS is a phony test.
She said Nicole never held a job to plug a DSM bucket. But she worked one year at MacDonald to pay for her Lindon trip. Lazarou likes to lie. Big money in hanging around the court
@@powderandpaint14 what would meeting people have to do with anything? No psychologist or psychiatrist ever meets everyone, now do they? Doesn't stop them from drawing large, overarching conclusions. Dysfunctional abilities to relate are not insanity. Aka, not feeling empathy for others absolutely does not mean that individual cannot comprehend it is wrong to murder
No way does a personality disorder qualify for an insanity defense. My wife tells me all the time that I'm bipolar, antisocial, schizoid, obsessive compulsive, and mega-narcissistic. And yet I'm normal enough to go to jail.
Good evening, Dr. Grande! Wow! Two cases in one day! Aren't you the busy little beaver! Nicole knew what she was doing when she killed her stepfather and mother, because she attempted to clean up the crime scene, so the M'Naughten Rule doesn't apply. That doesn't mean that she didn't have mental issues, she was simply not legally insane. And insanity is a legal term, not a medical one. As for the mental health experts for the prosecution and defense, their diagnoses usually are based on who is paying them.
I know more than 1 person with a schizophrenia diagnosis. Id say that at times they are not in the same reality but when the courts got involved it seemed to be whether they could understand at the time of trial rather than the time of the crime
Wow! Thanks for this very informative and well-presented video, Dr. Grande. I still think you should arrange for your videos to be transcribed as especially, they could be available to interested people and scholars who don't have access to TH-cam and be available once removed from the net. Could you please do a video on the factors underlying mass shootings? Thank you once again, keep well and compliments of the Festive Season
This is not the first time I've seen this idea that personality disorders don't count as mental illness. A lot of people hear "personality disorder" and think it means that someone's just unlikeable, and we can just quit doing unlikeable things if we want to recover from the disorder.
Thank you for this!! I completely agree, personality disorders should be admissible in court as a form of insanity in terms of warped perception and profound disconnection from reality. Whenever I see someone who is very sick with a personality disorder, it’s clear that person is disconnected from the reality most of us reside in most of the time
Disagree strongly. Where do we draw the line? How do we determine how much or how little of a personality disorder one must exhibit to be persecuted? Most of us have mild traits of one or another personality disorder, but because they don't tremendously impact our functioning we don't seek treatment. So, for example, if I committed a crime, I would be able to exaggerate my borderline traits to a shrink (because I do have some, even if mild and controllable) and have a handy defense. Total BS.
@@MrsRitchieBlackmore It would be decided by experts in the field and taking the time with cases. The line would be drawn if there is no diagnosis of mental defect. "No evidence" just means none was found, which in many cases is because no one really bothered to check. "We" do not draw the lines even now. But the ones who do could do it much better by updating the criteria to reflect the changes in understanding that have occurred since the centuries old rules being followed currently.
A late good evening. The evidence seems to support the theory Nicole was allegedly guilty of the murders. I agree that she wasn't insane, a lot of people talk to themselves. Her mother appears to have been a woman who criticized her daughter a lot. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and sad topic.
As someone diagnosed ASPD I could assure you it's inappropriate and dangerously misplaced. I don't know who coined that term or if it is one but... no. People - seemingly younger generation or mostly - aren't distinguishing between fictional characters/tv shows/actors and actual experiences or... reality. I don't know if the screen 'removes' them or sanitizes this in a way but it's wrong. Said plainly.
There should be no insanity pea in regards to murder. Insanity is no excuse for murder. There are millions of people in the world with an insanity diagnoses of some kind yet most of them manage not to kill someone. Even if a person does have a warped perception and murder someone they should be terminated. Sorry I have no tolerance for murder unless it is self defense.
I've never seen an excuse yet where more than a minority of individuals were using for an excuse" justifying" why they took another human life. Most people go through their lives and are never responsible, whether justifiable or not for the loss of another human life, regardless of What kinds of issues& what kinds of backgrounds they come from. It's a minority of people from these backgrounds- not a "majority" of people from these backgrounds that wind up becoming murderers.
I’m in AA and the anti-medication rhetoric from some of y’all is dangerous. We aren’t doctors. Medication can save lives. Case in point, a young man in my previous home group was told he isn’t “sober” if he takes his psych meds. So he ceased them and later died by suicide. It’s medical abuse. Mind your own chemistry and let doctors help those who need it.
Dr. Grande appears to claim that both the legal system and the mental health industry are incapable of understanding and dealing with those who commit irrational criminal acts. Further he argues that Nicole was legally liable for her actions while also arguing that state mental health professionals, who reached the same conclusion, were unable to properly diagnose her. All this makes me me wonder whether psychology and psychiatry are anything more than an interesting parlor game.
Psychiatry let alone psychology is not and should not be thought of as anything scientific. At best it's based an objective opinions but as we're seeing now with psychiatry along with incompetent and corrupt judges going mad, the confusion whether someone is even male or female along with confusions of which restrooms to use and even uncertainty whether or not "men" can be pregnant. There's no lab work of any kind backing up a so-called "diagnosis" a psychiatrist makes. No blood drawn, no mris, no CT scans, no exploratory surgerys, no urinalysis- absolutely zero lab work / (science) involved in the practice of psychiatry. All they do is prescribe controlled substances as a so-called " M.D".
Her personality disorder doesn't excuse her actions, because clearly she knew it was wrong, but wow, I really hope she gets help. Not being "legally insane" doesn't mean she's not...insane.
(Response to headline) I believe if you were born with it or developed it due to circumstance would be a keynote factor in deciding. But i know zilch in comparison to yourself lol.
Did Nichole feel like an outsider, when the stepfather digressed to her mother's percieved control needs, during those mother/daughter standoffs? Let's see; one minus two = one, or is it 3-2=1. Either way, Nichole determined that her caretakers voices needed to be silenced, as Nicholes seemed to have been. Broken marriages appear to, reek havoc on children, especially when substitute fathers or mothers have little to no voice in the normal everyday family interactions.
I developed ideas of reference, persecutory paranoia, and the Truman delusion after being forcefully medicated while hospitalized. It all resolved after 6 months off the medications. The hospital really fucked me up.
I have read studies showing antidepressants don't work. This confirmed my own experience as I had side effects (sleeping too much) but no discernible change in mood.
@@dcnative1618 I'm on a very low dose of effexor for migraines and it's helped tremendously for that but I can't speak to depression. What messed me up so bad were anti psychotics. They caused the very symptoms in me they were supposed to prevent. Like wtf
@@brittanywilcox7377 I am so sorry you went through that. This country is doing a poor job of addressing mental health issues. The pandemic proved Big Pharma is happy to bribe the media, doctors, pharmacists, elected politicians as well as the FDA, CDC and NIH to promote medications they know are harmful. The case of the opioid crisis and Purdue Pharma is but one of many examples. Even when people and institutions sue Big Pharma, the amount of money in settlements is just "the cost of doing business" by companies raking in billions. Pfizer is projected to make 101.3 billion in profits in 2022 alone. They are so greedy they continue to push C19 vaccines for children when it has been proven children don't need them.
@@brittanywilcox7377 Seems like every one of the "anti-depressant" drug commercials on TV that I've seen lists "increased thoughts of suicide" as a side effect. Really? Don't let them turn you into a chemistry experiment.
I believe the character Elsa and the film Frozen are based from the story The Snow Queen (excellent story). It is hard to imagine how she was motivated enough to committ those murders. Very mysterious crime.
She didn't kill them. Elsa lost her Daddy age Three. Nicole lost hers age Three. (Grande is wrong). Nicole's mom was a reservist military officer. In frozen it's a military officer who wants to kill Elsa . The law officer were to assist him. Robert Dienes was a faux law officer as he volunteered to drive a jail bus
I have watched enough of your videos to have learned that the testimony and diagnoses offered by mental health professionals in criminal trials tend to be, at the very least, unreliable. I greatly appreciate your analysis at the end of this video. If the criteria for selecting certain mental disorders over others as evidence of legal insanity are arbitrary and socially constructed, how can justice be achieved in cases where mental disorders play a role? You should be consulting for a top law school, as it seems that legal theory in this country needs to evolve to account for important observations like these from discerning mental health professionals.
Todd Grande doesn't know what a psychosis is. Go to the john Jonchuck trial and read the testimony by Dr Maher. A professor of psychiatry. Maher knows what a psychosis is. You can drive a car. You can order food at MacDs. Lazarou and others don't care. They are there to make money. Dr. Maher knows what he is doing. You can hold a conversation with someone. According to Freud psychopaths are in a permanent psychosis and can never come back to reality. However, Nicole's mother was a provocateur and my understanding is she could have been helped
Can you please discuss the findings of this study in Poland? How can they make sweeping generalizations? At 5'2" I preferred dating men under 6'. The one person I dated who might have the "dark triad" traits (or other personality disorder)was 6." Most shorter men seem comfortable in their own skin.
No connection between height and a psychological diagnosis...we would have long ago FOUND such a correlation if one existed ...and re willy size and height no corrrelation THERE has been found either. Poor shorter men, at 5ft 4in I am average height for my generstion of females. I have always wished I was a bit taller too, but never felt it was any handicap. In this case men ARE held to,a,high (pun intended) standard. We have had this passed on genetcally in our brains, womens preference for taller men. It was believed they were better hunters,,they did of course have an advantage in chasing game.Meat was scarce and precious to aboriginal diets the world over. Every country studied has this preference in mating behavior of women. Sybil Francis PhD clinical psychologist
@@latinaalma1947 Thank you. It does not appear they had enough subjects in the study to begin with. Making a statement like that is irresponsible and affects the credibility of serious researchers.
Thank you Dr. Grande for your analysis. From your presentation it seems obvious Nicole is guilty, but to me, it seems that her early childhood was quite inestable, that most likely affected her. If her mother mistreated her that way, it's emotional and psychological child abuse. The stepfather may have done nothing, but when you see your partner abusing her child that way and do nothing, you become accomplice. Please don't misunderstand me, I don't justify Nicole's actions at all. But definitely it should be taken into account when deciding the outcome. The defendant, when found guilty in cases like this, should receive proper mental health treatment. Because it was the system's fault what happened to this girl in her early childhood.
There are DCF charts for cause to effect. You verbally abuse your child everyday of their life the outcome is much much worse than hitting. Our problem is Nicole didn't kill them
I’d thought the line in the sand was something like ‘can distinguish whether an act was crime or not’ at the time of the crime. for example someone suffering from the delusion that god was directing their behavior may not be able to distinguish their actions were wrong & would thus have a good insanity defense while someone who couldn’t control their impulses or their reactions would still “know” what they’d done was a crime. The interesting distinction being the assumption that not knowing means not having a basis from which to control ones behavior, which is defensible while knowing but not being _able_ to control ones behavior is not as defensible
I believe that legally, you have to defend yourself by Showing you 'could not' (rather than 'failed to) divert, subvert or deny the impulse. I can't think of a crime committed against me by a person who clearly seemed disordered (through their actions and life patterns) who I would want to be offered clemency 'because they couldn't help themselves'. That's atrocious.
I was diagnosed with Avoidant personality disorder, and it has influenced most if not all of my poor choices in life. The system has definitely let thos woman down.
It doesn't seem to me that someone who was able to go off and live on campus could be that bad off, mentally. It can be very stressful go leave home to go to college, especially to live in a dorm, I can't see how that would pan out.
I actually love frozen fanfic! Not to get too personal here but a lot of us with anxiety or depression can relate to aspects of the movie. Obviously as a kids movie the film itself can’t go very deep into that, but fanfic gives a chance to explore that in a more mature/sophisticated way. Plus there’s no limit to the ways any fanfic can go when you start getting into AUs 😜
I viewed this as a podcast. And wanted to alert you to the fact that an advertisement in blue lettering covered the middle of the screen for at least half of your video. The ad started “ Time for expansion”. It ruined the video for me.
This is either a technical issue on your end regarding your internet browser, or there is some kind of bug on TH-cam's end going on here. Though I am pretty sure this is an issue with TH-cam since this video came out less than a few minutes ago, yet it clearly says you posted this comment 2months ago.... weird :P
I just don't get it why it's so easy to be considered not responsible for your own death (suicide) and hence you are prevented from killing yourself and why it's at the same time so difficult to be held not responsible for killing another person. The standards should be the same, shouldn't they?
It's asinine that those with personality disorders aren't eligible for an insanity defense. These disorders unfairly negatively affect people's thoughts, beliefs and actions. If one of those disorders causes someone to commit a violent crime, then that person should absolutely be considered insane. Why victimize someone with prison when they've already been thoroughly victimized by their own minds? Adding insult to injury is not the answer.
The insanity defense is applied in cases where the defendant cannot tell right from wrong. So while they are mental disorders, people with a personality disorder can tell right from wrong. Hence how she tried to hide her crime. They are aware that it is wrong yet donit anyways
I've never understood the insanity defense. Nobody is sane that can do things like that to another human. Therefore everybody would get off of murder charges. Nope, you did it, now you live in a cage forever.
It's for people who do not know what they are doing due to a mental disorder. It's like if a person has a seizure or passes out and they accidentally hurt somebody-- they aren't to blame because they couldn't control it. It's the same with some mental disorders, when they don't even know what is real. It's as involuntary as a physical disorder.
Dr. Grande, can you recommend a book on the various disorders that you discuss that is informative and relatively easy to understand for the non-professional? One that perhaps provides clinical examples of the various disorders/illnesses that are discussed? Thank you! Jon 12/9/22
I think it's a bit too much to apply the insanity defense to all mental disorders in general. Because even though someone may have a mental disorder, they may still be able to tell right from wrong. Hiding a body or trying to hide a crime is a sign that they know it is wrong. If they know it is wrong, yet do it anyways, it's really hard to consider it legally insane. It should be reserved for those who are not able to tell right from wrong
Hi Dr Grande, is it possible for a spouse to start adopting symptoms of a personality disorder that their partner is diagnosed with? Like from exposure to it, living in the same environment? 🤔
Moving a dead body and cleaning up the blood would probably throw the insanity plea off the table because it is a way to show that a person knows what they are doing.
A person can be legally insane and know what they’re doing
@@michaelperez9966 No. They have to be unable to control their behavior or distinguish right from wrong due to a mental disease or defect. Hiding a crime tends to show the person knew it was wrong. Legal insanity has a high threshold of proof. Some courts do offer more wiggle room for proving temporary insanity, but the conditions that satisfy this are very specific, like walkimg in on a spouse cheating.
@@evelynwaugh4053 it’s still possible to clean up a murder during psychosis and be legally insane, though.
I agree it makes it much more difficult to prove.
Same with premeditation. It’s possible with psychosis, just not as common and certainly makes it more difficult to prove psychosis.
Like the girl who had her first break psychosis and tried to “save her mother” by cutting open her mother with a knife. She thought her “real mother” was trapped inside the “fake mother” and she was trying to save her.
She planned it out, a few hours in advance, and then when she couldn’t find the “real mother” she did try to clean up the mess.
And then she called 9-11
Psychosis can be present during the act itself but can resolve or partially resolve as well. So the murder might be not-guilty due to reason of insanity while the person can still be guilty of trying to cover up a crime
I think that girls mother lived from that attack, too. How awful that must have been.
@@lostandfound5145 whats this about a girl cutting her "fake" mother up but u said its premeditated story? Where can I find more about it?
@@evelynwaugh4053 You said no, and then didn’t address what I actually said. I’ve also read up on cases where someone was found not guilty by mental defect despite trying to hide their crime and saying in the police interrogation they knew it was wrong.
My mother has BPD, and whether or not I can hold her responsible for all of her undesirable behavior is a recurring question to me. She has this ability to shut her insanity off like a faucet when it suits her, only to blow up later when she can’t hold it in anymore. I have always despised the fact that she would close the faucet for other people to act normal in front of them, but she would never do the effort for her family. It seems like she deliberately chose to torment us.
My sister is exactly the same
Sounds like asd, not so much bpd. And yes, if she can control it, she should be held responsible for not controlling it.
Abusers shouldnt get a pass. It is part of their schtick to gaslight you into suggesting you have to absorb their bad behaviours for whatever reason.
I'll bet she almost never apologises (with faux apologises when she does) and also thinks her s__t doesnt stink too.
I really identify with this. My mother was the same. She was sane to the rest of the world but to us a red-faced, bulging eyed, screaming monster. People think you are lying or at least exaggerated when you tell them what she is like.
Like in so many family situations, sadly, it seems she takes the love of her family for granted and doesn't think she has to.
@@wayjamus2775 this is very well said. i think its this reason as well.
It is always seemed to me that the mental health experts, or any experts, come up with conclusions that support the side that hired them.
I agree however it's considered highly unethical in the professional, it still happens there is the famous AFFLUENZA CASE 😂
There are no experts. Only subjective opinion. Nobody knows what’s going on in someone’s mind. Mental health is big business now though.
I don't know why the court doesn't employ an unbiased 3rd party who is paid a flat fee. There should be no "prestige" attached to these kinds of assessments
It's always seemed to me that general members of the public, with no expertise or relevant information come up with conclusions that support the side they entered in with.
Cough* Michael Baden* Cryil Wecht*
Excellent synopsis of a difficult quandary. Even though we can empathize with people who have personality disorders they have to be held accountable.
Empathize?
Never empathize with a narcissist, that’s how they trap you.
@@Schiffon thanks for the correction it’s so important 😂
@@KarensOpinionsMayDiffer it’s especially hard if it’s your parent. That’s really what I meant. One must deal with some people with personality disorders one way or another.
You forgot a comma, Ms. Smarty pants
i love how "writing frozen fanfiction" is being described here as evidence of nicole having been maltreated, that's so funny
It does indicate arrested development, if nothing else. Thank her Mom for those coping skills.
I am surprised by the comment “Nicole could have easily escaped her mother.” For a person with your credentials, Dr Grande, you should know the degree to which child abuse traps a child without any physical restraints.
She was not a child anymore. Its also no excuse. People need to stop using the old 'they hurt me so I hurt them back' excuse or justification.
It’s the truth though. My mother was awful to me growing up and killing her was never an option to me, never crossed my mind, just bided my time until 17 and ran away. There are always options unless the person is physically holding you there or physically attacking you forcing you to defend yourself.
@@cht2162 No. Mom will live-on in Nichole's head.
This was exactly my thought too! Psychological abuse is just as hard, if not harder, to escape. And to definitively say that her step dad never hurt her - just because there is no proof, doesn't mean it didn't happen, ask any abuse victim.
@@nightstarstar1 yes but did you have that abuse AND her personality disorders?
Dr. Grande, can you please analyze the case of Steven Benson, a man who blew up his family with a car bomb for his mother’s inheritance? There are so many twists and turns and family secrets in that case. I’d love to hear your take on all of it!
I 2nd this suggested analysis! I resided in N. Naples in '85 when this happened. Be great if Dr. Grande could analyze this case. Have a good day. 😃
I think if personality disorders counted as grounds for NGRI, you would see a significant transfer of defendants from prisons to psychiatric hospitals. As you said, it isn't always easy to distinguish between mental illnesses and personality disorders.
What does NGRI stand for?
@@fakeshemp9599 not guilty by reason of insanity. Didn't it come up when you Googled it?
👆👆HAHAHAHA!!!!👆👆
not to mention that a significant number of people in the prison population have antisocial personality disorder
The criteria should be (and I believe in most places is) that if the person understood what they were doing is wrong, insanity is not a defence. Broadening those criteria would be a legal (and ethical) nightmare.
That would be unethical
I disagree. In many more civilized countries other than the United States - Norway or Ireland, for example - they actually believe in treating the person who committed a crime in order to make them functioning members of society. I believe this little girl, given therapy and medication, could easily become a fully functioning member of society. She was clearly delusional. Punishment is wrong. It doesn't work with children, and it doesn't work with adults. I just don't know why Americans are so savage. I've lived here all my life and confess I don't understand it any better now than I did when I was a young lass.
People with abuse and trauma in childhood that have mental disorders and commit crimes should go to prison but also get a mandatory counseling sentence as well!! Very good Counselors are expensive but people who have been abused or have had trauma need help. young adults and teens can not typically afford to pay for it! Letting them sit in prison until they parole out doesn’t seem to be effective. harshly critiquing them doesn’t seem to solve anything either.
Dr Grande you seem to be logical, wise and understand human behavior. I wonder if you counsel young people 🤔
young people need good mentors as there is a shortage out here! 😊
People with personality disorders KNOW the difference between RIGHT or WRONG....and they should be held accountable and rehabilitated according to their disorder!
Well that’s the thing. With a personality disorder, it’s difficult to impossible to rehabilitate them. The disorder is an intrinsic part of who they are and can’t be removed - that would be like trying to remove just the eggs from cake batter. The best we can do is help them learn to suppress their negative behaviors, redirect them by convincing them that different behavior will be more beneficial to them, or take away their ability to hurt many others by removing them from the general population. I agree that they usually know the difference between right and wrong… and it’s scary that they choose wrong.
@@ModernVintage31 I like your analogy of egg and cake batter. The government's responsibility is to protect the public from dangerous violent people of all types. The public needs compassion too.
Don't know. My wife had Borderline Personality Disorder. Usually she knew right from wrong and chose wrong, but when she was very stressed, she'd have episodes where she didn't know reality from her imagination. I could see her in that state murdering another bc she thought that person was trying to kill her.
@@jwhippet8313 that is psychosis
YES. And making borderline or schizotypical or whatever a VALID defense really opens a huge can of worms legally. "My narcissism made me do it!" GTFO.
Well we can't have people that have alot of feelings regardless of why they have them running around being a homicidal maniac killing others. Lock em up and get them help while in jail. Others need to be safe
This case was especially interesting, because of your opinions at the end of the talk concerning the legal views on mental health, and the information you imparted about personality disorders. As always, you are so articulate, and have a great voice (and sense of humor!).
The trouble is that insanity is a legal and not a medical term. So we are evaluating if a particular medical diagnosis meets the definition but I think that can only be determined case by case.
In order for an insanity defend to be valid, you have to prove that you weren't able to differentiate between right and wrong. People with personality disorders know that their actions are hurtful; it's just that they're more interested in having their own needs met. I don't think that a personality disorder meets those requirements.
Exaftly.
Darrell brooks misinterpreted his personality disorder diagnosis as a mental illness.
He really tried to convince the judge to put him somewhere he could "fight this"
I'm pretty sure ppl with personality disorders lack insight in certain areas. It varies depending on PD.
Wow, two videos back to back. I haven’t even finished watching the other video of yours regarding Jody.
Thank you for going into detail about your opinion on personality disorders relating to an insanity plea. Very informative!
Your knowledge on mental health is extremely impressive, Dr. Grande! It sounds unbelievably complicated!
Thank you for two videos today! :) ♡♡
Totally agree with your comments on the legal system. A mental defect is sometimes if not most of the time a biological defect, which when early childhood violence or neglect are added, is a recipe for incorrect behavior. If someone has one, and there is a crime committed, that could be a cause. Not an excuse. Every violent offender should not just be evaluated, but also undergo diagnostic testing. The important thing is that they are removed from society, but our society is bent towards "justice" and vengeance. So putting them in a facility for mental health issues is seen as "letting someone off the hook". That person is never going to be off the hook. JMO.
How accurate can diagnostic testing be? How easy to fudge or "play the part"? It's not a perfect quantitative science. And diagnostic criteria change to suit the social and political flavour of the day.
I'm still young (36) but even as I mature I really start to see how immature so many of our systems are. Our government's (and a lot of people, especially older people) are so obsessed with punishing wrong doing to such an extreme degree and have no interest in understanding what causes the behavior in order to stop it from happening again. There's zero room for compassion or understanding when you're on a mission to hurt people.
Whhen in prison, offenders should see a decent psychiatrist and learn a trade. Storing them in prison cells sets them up to be repeat offenders. The prison system in this country is medieval.
It's amazing how, in the last minute or so of this video (12:07), Dr. Grande packs so much complicated and nuanced thought. I've been watching him ever since the beginning of the Gabby Petito case and am finally able to understand some of his analysis.
People who write fan fiction should always be closely monitored.
This was a great topic to cover. Very interesting, thanks for talking about this Dr G!
I really believe in the psych practitioners in their varied milieus. However it is so disconcerting to see so many different clinicians give sometimes, vastly different diagnoses. I think there are some standardized, lengthy tests to assess for certain disorders. Aren't these used? Are they not accepted practice in a court of law?
EDIT: Regardless of her disorders, she was completely guilty. She is the Jeremy from the song by Pearl Jam..
Hi, Dr. Grande. Huge fan of your content. Can you please cover the case of Robert Rayford?
Two in a morning? Can't wait to hear this one too. Thanks Dr G😊🧡💜
I’m guessing it was an accident- they happen. Working hard though!
@@KDF54321 yehr. now we will get NO video by tomorrow ;)
The issue is that the DSM5 is behind the ICD11 in diagnosis criteria for PDs and doesn't include CPTSD. More and more research is proving the link between trauma and PDs and our current system is failing those with complex trauma in multiple ways.
I think these disorders are just descriptions of different types of a-holes. Behavior is a choice. These people make the choice to hurt other people every day.
Why should those of us who choose to do better give these awful people even more than they have already taken?
“If behavior is involuntary then a person should not be held culpable” perhaps is a better insanity test?
Hello Dr. Grande, very well presented. Your final thoughts are professional and accurate. This is one of the videos you brought to us and I have to agree with your final thoughts. Thank you for sharing. Best Regards.
In Finland there is a system where in the case of severe crimes, if there is any indication of mental illness being involved, the court will order an independent psychiatric assessment. This can actually happen even against the will of the defendant. The psychiatric assessment is carried out in a hospital setting and usually lasts around three months or even longer. The clinicians doing the assessment have no direct link with the court system. This system is seen here in Finland as a very good system. The basic idea is that prison won't rehabilitate people whose crimes were directly linked to severe mental illness, so the risk of re-offending would be high. At the same time people who are sent to psychiatric care instead of prison have no release date, they will only be released if they have recovered well enough to not to re-offend.
I've always tried to use the excuse that I'm an asshole whenever my wife calls me out for acting like an asshole. It never works.
Just say:
you're" powerless"over people, places and things - so you're not responsible.
Doc ain't playing! Back to Back uploads
This one was very interesting. I think the bias toward personality disorders in the justice system reflects the common attitude in society that people with mental disorders chose to act the way they do, and that mental disorders are less legitimate than physical ones. Thank you for exploring this topic Dr. Grande.
Excellent video Dr. Grande! 💕🌴
I have come to realize that most of the people who gave me hell had personality disorders.
I think you're right. Same.
You're correct, because normal well adjusted. People just don't feel the need to control and mess with others. We have too much going on to do that. And it's just not in us. I don't feel satisfied picking on an innocent person who did nothing wrong to me.
Writing fanfiction means you’re “lost in a world of fantasy?” 😂 I think Dr. Grande would be surprised to learn how many people enjoy fanfic. And didn’t he write a fictional novel of his own?
...."despite residing in a fantasy world they have constructed around their own clinical abilities."
What an intelligent analysis.
Thank you.
Wow! 2 videos today! Dr Grande must keep blankets and pillows in his studio so he can nap now and then!
Thanks Doc.
Love watching your videos on my lunch break
❤❤❤Thank you!
My state, Arizona, allows the verdict of "guilty but insane" if a person doesn't understand why their crime is wrong due to mental illness but still could control their urges. I think it should be the same everywhere else.
This is the first time I have heard a mental health professional acknowledge that assessing a person for a diagnosis because they have been accused of a crime has a fundamental difference from diagnosing them in other circumstances.
1. The diagnosis is not being done for a therapeutic purpose.
2. Patients can be acutely aware of this.
3 Patients (guilty or not) have an extra, objective and compelling reason to lie about events, lie about their personal and family history and to falsify, to exaggerate or sometimes to minimise symptoms - all irrespective of any real condition they may have.
4. Innocent or guilty, mentally healthy or not, legally sane or not, a patient can have a legitimate concern that a mental health professional they are referred to by the state is their adversary, with interests against their own. They may also assume that a mental health professional they’re referred to by their own lawyer is part of their legal defense team.
5. As Dr Grande says, some mental health professionals appear to share those beliefs.
only if the person was in a psychosis at the time. if they knew right from wrong and were aware of what they were doing no. I had a friend with BPD who could have argued psychosis at the worst point...but it would have been impulsive things and there would be behavior issues before and after that would necessitate a trip to the psych ward, nothing planned and carried out. Trying to clean up indicates she knew what she was doing
Please make a video about Peter Scully
Hi Dr. Grande!
Good morning Dr Grande, seems to me the state Mental Health expert was pulling mental disorders out of a hat!
Always learn from your videos.
That is what she does. She looks at the Defense's evidence. And then Lazarou looks through DSM-5 for "buckets" that may have one item or so. She then fills in those buckets with her nonsense. Sometimes outright lies. For instance one DSM bucket Lazarou testified Nicole never held a job. However, Nicole worked for one year at McDonalds to save money to go to London. Lazarou just lied. She gave Nicole a written test called SIMS. All the psychiatric publications have concluded its a phony test. Yet the Public defneders and their expert witnesses they were google lazy and couldnt figure out that the SIMS is a phony test.
Lazarou uses the buckets of DSM. That breaks up the behaviors . The jurors then can't see the overall picture
She said Nicole never held a job to plug a DSM bucket. But she worked one year at MacDonald to pay for her Lindon trip. Lazarou likes to lie. Big money in hanging around the court
Nicole Nachtman is actually actor Paul Dano‘s greatest role
The preacher from there will be blood
Haha
I mean, if you've seen Taking Lives, it's no surprise we haven't heard from him in a minute lol
Having a Cluster B Disorder is certainly not a form of insanity.
It can be, when people with these disorders get .entally I'll enough they can be in a complete state of delusion.
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I’ve never met a delusional BPD, APD, etc. They’re all pathological liars so if they act delusional then that’s all it is, an act.
@@DelbertGrady2024 you haven't met every person with those disorders though have you.
@@powderandpaint14 what would meeting people have to do with anything?
No psychologist or psychiatrist ever meets everyone, now do they? Doesn't stop them from drawing large, overarching conclusions.
Dysfunctional abilities to relate are not insanity. Aka, not feeling empathy for others absolutely does not mean that individual cannot comprehend it is wrong to murder
@@tb-dv1zc are you a psychologist or psychiatrist?
No way does a personality disorder qualify for an insanity defense. My wife tells me all the time that I'm bipolar, antisocial, schizoid, obsessive compulsive, and mega-narcissistic. And yet I'm normal enough to go to jail.
Excellent analysis
Great points
Thank you
I think you make some realy good points here.. as usual:) thank you doc!:)
I just said "Dr Grande post 2 videos in like the last hour!!!" & my girlfriend responded "mmm someone's chatty"......she's just jealous 🙄🤣
Good evening, Dr. Grande!
Wow! Two cases in one day! Aren't you the busy little beaver!
Nicole knew what she was doing when she killed her stepfather and mother, because she attempted to clean up the crime scene, so the M'Naughten Rule doesn't apply.
That doesn't mean that she didn't have mental issues, she was simply not legally insane. And insanity is a legal term, not a medical one.
As for the mental health experts for the prosecution and defense, their diagnoses usually are based on who is paying them.
I know more than 1 person with a schizophrenia diagnosis. Id say that at times they are not in the same reality but when the courts got involved it seemed to be whether they could understand at the time of trial rather than the time of the crime
Wow! Thanks for this very informative and well-presented video, Dr. Grande. I still think you should arrange for your videos to be transcribed as especially, they could be available to interested people and scholars who don't have access to TH-cam and be available once removed from the net. Could you please do a video on the factors underlying mass shootings? Thank you once again, keep well and compliments of the Festive Season
This is not the first time I've seen this idea that personality disorders don't count as mental illness. A lot of people hear "personality disorder" and think it means that someone's just unlikeable, and we can just quit doing unlikeable things if we want to recover from the disorder.
Thank you for this!! I completely agree, personality disorders should be admissible in court as a form of insanity in terms of warped perception and profound disconnection from reality. Whenever I see someone who is very sick with a personality disorder, it’s clear that person is disconnected from the reality most of us reside in most of the time
This is accurate.
Disagree strongly. Where do we draw the line? How do we determine how much or how little of a personality disorder one must exhibit to be persecuted? Most of us have mild traits of one or another personality disorder, but because they don't tremendously impact our functioning we don't seek treatment. So, for example, if I committed a crime, I would be able to exaggerate my borderline traits to a shrink (because I do have some, even if mild and controllable) and have a handy defense. Total BS.
@@MrsRitchieBlackmore It would be decided by experts in the field and taking the time with cases. The line would be drawn if there is no diagnosis of mental defect. "No evidence" just means none was found, which in many cases is because no one really bothered to check. "We" do not draw the lines even now. But the ones who do could do it much better by updating the criteria to reflect the changes in understanding that have occurred since the centuries old rules being followed currently.
A late good evening. The evidence seems to support the theory Nicole was allegedly guilty of the murders. I agree that she wasn't insane, a lot of people talk to themselves. Her mother appears to have been a woman who criticized her daughter a lot. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and sad topic.
Thats just nasty, shooting someone in the back of the neck. Nicole has earned a life sentence with no parole in my opinion.
Dr. Todd, what is your opinion on the popularization and influence of "lovable psychopathy/machiavellianism" in TV shows like "Wednesday"?
Not to mention Gen Z's preoccupation with Jeffrey Dahmer. They even get tattoos of his likeness.
As someone diagnosed ASPD I could assure you it's inappropriate and dangerously misplaced.
I don't know who coined that term or if it is one but... no.
People - seemingly younger generation or mostly - aren't distinguishing between fictional characters/tv shows/actors and actual experiences or... reality.
I don't know if the screen 'removes' them or sanitizes this in a way but it's wrong. Said plainly.
@@rw7975 I was responding to your other comment but it got deleted. Too bad.
@@FrankBenlin I'll repost it - I took it down, thought it might be inappropriate.
@@rw7975 No pressure, all up to you.
There should be no insanity pea in regards to murder. Insanity is no excuse for murder. There are millions of people in the world with an insanity diagnoses of some kind yet most of them manage not to kill someone. Even if a person does have a warped perception and murder someone they should be terminated. Sorry I have no tolerance for murder unless it is self defense.
I've never seen an excuse yet where more than a minority of individuals were using for an excuse" justifying" why they took another human life.
Most people go through their lives and are never responsible, whether justifiable or not for the loss of another human life, regardless of What kinds of issues& what kinds of backgrounds they come from. It's a minority of people from these backgrounds- not a "majority" of people from these backgrounds that wind up becoming murderers.
Ty Dr.Grande❤ these children are taking legal and illegal hallucinogenics❤
We call those traits “character defects” in AA. There’s no need for medication.
I’m in AA and the anti-medication rhetoric from some of y’all is dangerous. We aren’t doctors. Medication can save lives.
Case in point, a young man in my previous home group was told he isn’t “sober” if he takes his psych meds. So he ceased them and later died by suicide.
It’s medical abuse.
Mind your own chemistry and let doctors help those who need it.
Dr. Grande appears to claim that both the legal system and the mental health industry are incapable of understanding and dealing with those who commit irrational criminal acts. Further he argues that Nicole was legally liable for her actions while also arguing that state mental health professionals, who reached the same conclusion, were unable to properly diagnose her. All this makes me me wonder whether psychology and psychiatry are anything more than an interesting parlor game.
Psychiatry let alone psychology is not and should not be thought of as anything scientific. At best it's based an objective opinions but as we're seeing now with psychiatry along with incompetent and corrupt judges going mad, the confusion whether someone is even male or female along with confusions of which restrooms to use and even uncertainty whether or not "men" can be pregnant. There's no lab work of any kind backing up a so-called "diagnosis" a psychiatrist makes. No blood drawn, no mris, no CT scans, no exploratory surgerys, no urinalysis- absolutely zero lab work / (science) involved in the practice of psychiatry. All they do is prescribe controlled substances as a so-called " M.D".
She didn't kill them
Excellent informative breakdown of mental health assessments within the legal system. Thanks for posting!
Her personality disorder doesn't excuse her actions, because clearly she knew it was wrong, but wow, I really hope she gets help. Not being "legally insane" doesn't mean she's not...insane.
A of isn’t the same as insanity . Psychopaths tend to go to prison real crazies like Ian Brady to a secure hospital like briadmoor
She reminds me of my sister.. same name to.. I feel bad for her I was never the best brother
(Response to headline) I believe if you were born with it or developed it due to circumstance would be a keynote factor in deciding. But i know zilch in comparison to yourself lol.
Good one from back at the old place
Hello 👋 good Dr. Grande
Did Nichole feel like an outsider, when the stepfather digressed to her mother's percieved control needs, during those mother/daughter standoffs? Let's see; one minus two = one, or is it 3-2=1. Either way, Nichole determined that her caretakers voices needed to be silenced, as Nicholes seemed to have been. Broken marriages appear to, reek havoc on children, especially when substitute fathers or mothers have little to no voice in the normal everyday family interactions.
I developed ideas of reference, persecutory paranoia, and the Truman delusion after being forcefully medicated while hospitalized. It all resolved after 6 months off the medications. The hospital really fucked me up.
I have read studies showing antidepressants don't work. This confirmed my own experience as I had side effects (sleeping too much) but no discernible change in mood.
@@dcnative1618 I'm on a very low dose of effexor for migraines and it's helped tremendously for that but I can't speak to depression. What messed me up so bad were anti psychotics. They caused the very symptoms in me they were supposed to prevent. Like wtf
@@brittanywilcox7377 I am so sorry you went through that. This country is doing a poor job of addressing mental health issues. The pandemic proved Big Pharma is happy to bribe the media, doctors, pharmacists, elected politicians as well as the FDA, CDC and NIH to promote medications they know are harmful. The case of the opioid crisis and Purdue Pharma is but one of many examples. Even when people and institutions sue Big Pharma, the amount of money in settlements is just "the cost of doing business" by companies raking in billions. Pfizer is projected to make 101.3 billion in profits in 2022 alone. They are so greedy they continue to push C19 vaccines for children when it has been proven children don't need them.
@@brittanywilcox7377 Seems like every one of the "anti-depressant" drug commercials on TV that I've seen lists "increased thoughts of suicide" as a side effect. Really?
Don't let them turn you into a chemistry experiment.
@@FrankBenlin well that's because as you start to feel better you can have the energy to go through with your plans.
I believe the character Elsa and the film Frozen are based from the story The Snow Queen (excellent story).
It is hard to imagine how she was motivated enough to committ those murders.
Very mysterious crime.
She didn't kill them. Elsa lost her Daddy age Three. Nicole lost hers age Three. (Grande is wrong). Nicole's mom was a reservist military officer. In frozen it's a military officer who wants to kill Elsa . The law officer were to assist him. Robert Dienes was a faux law officer as he volunteered to drive a jail bus
I have watched enough of your videos to have learned that the testimony and diagnoses offered by mental health professionals in criminal trials tend to be, at the very least, unreliable. I greatly appreciate your analysis at the end of this video. If the criteria for selecting certain mental disorders over others as evidence of legal insanity are arbitrary and socially constructed, how can justice be achieved in cases where mental disorders play a role? You should be consulting for a top law school, as it seems that legal theory in this country needs to evolve to account for important observations like these from discerning mental health professionals.
Todd Grande doesn't know what a psychosis is. Go to the john Jonchuck trial and read the testimony by Dr Maher. A professor of psychiatry. Maher knows what a psychosis is. You can drive a car. You can order food at MacDs. Lazarou and others don't care. They are there to make money. Dr. Maher knows what he is doing. You can hold a conversation with someone. According to Freud psychopaths are in a permanent psychosis and can never come back to reality. However, Nicole's mother was a provocateur and my understanding is she could have been helped
Can you please discuss the findings of this study in Poland? How can they make sweeping generalizations? At 5'2" I preferred dating men under 6'. The one person I dated who might have the "dark triad" traits (or other personality disorder)was 6." Most shorter men seem comfortable in their own skin.
Apart from short man syndrome which I don’t think is yet in dem butvidxaxthing.
A thing many women have experienced it’s a bit less weirdcthsn tiny Willy syndrome but it’s not very heslthy
No connection between height and a psychological diagnosis...we would have long ago FOUND such a correlation if one existed ...and re willy size and height no corrrelation THERE has been found either.
Poor shorter men, at 5ft 4in I am average height for my generstion of females. I have always wished I was a bit taller too, but never felt it was any handicap. In this case men ARE held to,a,high (pun intended) standard. We have had this passed on genetcally in our brains, womens preference for taller men. It was believed they were better hunters,,they did of course have an advantage in chasing game.Meat was scarce and precious to aboriginal diets the world over. Every country studied has this preference in mating behavior of women. Sybil Francis PhD clinical psychologist
@@latinaalma1947 Thank you. It does not appear they had enough subjects in the study to begin with. Making a statement like that is irresponsible and affects the credibility of serious researchers.
Now moving to my analysis: she's nuts.
Thank you Dr. Grande for your analysis. From your presentation it seems obvious Nicole is guilty, but to me, it seems that her early childhood was quite inestable, that most likely affected her. If her mother mistreated her that way, it's emotional and psychological child abuse. The stepfather may have done nothing, but when you see your partner abusing her child that way and do nothing, you become accomplice.
Please don't misunderstand me, I don't justify Nicole's actions at all. But definitely it should be taken into account when deciding the outcome. The defendant, when found guilty in cases like this, should receive proper mental health treatment. Because it was the system's fault what happened to this girl in her early childhood.
There are DCF charts for cause to effect. You verbally abuse your child everyday of their life the outcome is much much worse than hitting. Our problem is Nicole didn't kill them
I’d thought the line in the sand was something like ‘can distinguish whether an act was crime or not’ at the time of the crime. for example someone suffering from the delusion that god was directing their behavior may not be able to distinguish their actions were wrong & would thus have a good insanity defense while someone who couldn’t control their impulses or their reactions would still “know” what they’d done was a crime. The interesting distinction being the assumption that not knowing means not having a basis from which to control ones behavior, which is defensible while knowing but not being _able_ to control ones behavior is not as defensible
I believe that legally, you have to defend yourself by Showing you 'could not' (rather than 'failed to) divert, subvert or deny the impulse.
I can't think of a crime committed against me by a person who clearly seemed disordered (through their actions and life patterns) who I would want to be offered clemency 'because they couldn't help themselves'.
That's atrocious.
Thank you 👍👍
Thank you
Peace 💕🇺🇲
I was diagnosed with Avoidant personality disorder, and it has influenced most if not all of my poor choices in life. The system has definitely let thos woman down.
" Canst thou not minister to a mind diseased ? Pluck from the memory
a rooted sorrow..? Raze out the written troubles of the brain... "
It doesn't seem to me that someone who was able to go off and live on campus could be that bad off, mentally. It can be very stressful go leave home to go to college, especially to live in a dorm, I can't see how that would pan out.
My narcissist ex husband could not stand his own birthday either. Said it was due to disappontment of his gifts as a child.
I like fanfics as much as the next person.. but Frozen?! That can only go so many ways 😂😂
I actually love frozen fanfic! Not to get too personal here but a lot of us with anxiety or depression can relate to aspects of the movie. Obviously as a kids movie the film itself can’t go very deep into that, but fanfic gives a chance to explore that in a more mature/sophisticated way.
Plus there’s no limit to the ways any fanfic can go when you start getting into AUs 😜
From my experience, all people in jail have physiological issues that played into their crimes.
I viewed this as a podcast. And wanted to alert you to the fact that an advertisement in blue lettering covered the middle of the screen for at least half of your video. The ad started “ Time for expansion”. It ruined the video for me.
This is either a technical issue on your end regarding your internet browser, or there is some kind of bug on TH-cam's end going on here. Though I am pretty sure this is an issue with TH-cam since this video came out less than a few minutes ago, yet it clearly says you posted this comment 2months ago.... weird :P
@@ETtheOG Alright, it's a time traveler. Cool, it is possible.
I think so.. I have been diagnosed with many mental health disorders lol most of are not me lol
Can you do Ramana Maharshi
I just don't get it why it's so easy to be considered not responsible for your own death (suicide) and hence you are prevented from killing yourself and why it's at the same time so difficult to be held not responsible for killing another person. The standards should be the same, shouldn't they?
It's asinine that those with personality disorders aren't eligible for an insanity defense. These disorders unfairly negatively affect people's thoughts, beliefs and actions. If one of those disorders causes someone to commit a violent crime, then that person should absolutely be considered insane. Why victimize someone with prison when they've already been thoroughly victimized by their own minds? Adding insult to injury is not the answer.
The insanity defense is applied in cases where the defendant cannot tell right from wrong. So while they are mental disorders, people with a personality disorder can tell right from wrong. Hence how she tried to hide her crime. They are aware that it is wrong yet donit anyways
Can you analyze Kanye West’s recent remarks on Alex Jones’ show?
Do these clinicians have adequate time and resources to even make a durable assessment - especially when their subject may not be cooperative?
Ewing Heide and Lazarou work the court system. It's for money.
yo Todd it would be cool to see you cover the baseline shooter case
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I've never understood the insanity defense. Nobody is sane that can do things like that to another human. Therefore everybody would get off of murder charges.
Nope, you did it, now you live in a cage forever.
It's for people who do not know what they are doing due to a mental disorder. It's like if a person has a seizure or passes out and they accidentally hurt somebody-- they aren't to blame because they couldn't control it. It's the same with some mental disorders, when they don't even know what is real. It's as involuntary as a physical disorder.
Dr. Grande, can you recommend a book on the various disorders that you discuss that is informative and relatively easy to understand for the non-professional? One that perhaps provides clinical examples of the various disorders/illnesses that are discussed? Thank you! Jon 12/9/22
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I think it's a bit too much to apply the insanity defense to all mental disorders in general. Because even though someone may have a mental disorder, they may still be able to tell right from wrong. Hiding a body or trying to hide a crime is a sign that they know it is wrong. If they know it is wrong, yet do it anyways, it's really hard to consider it legally insane. It should be reserved for those who are not able to tell right from wrong
Hi Dr Grande, is it possible for a spouse to start adopting symptoms of a personality disorder that their partner is diagnosed with? Like from exposure to it, living in the same environment? 🤔