It definitely is challenging to answer people who don’t really understand sign language but I’m glad you think we did a good job giving a simple answer
That was a great answer. My ASL teacher always said that the mouth morphemes are there for description and clarification. So many signs will have different meanings depending on context, so mouth morphemes help clarify. I feel better about the answers I gave my husband when he asked the same question of me. I’m hearing but have had to fall back on ASL for a means of communication in the last year due to a voice injury and this was one of my husband’s most burning questions! Haha. Thanks so much!
I love how you guys always take the whole video to answer a question. You don't just say two sentences and that's it, but always explain it in details. Plus, you ask each other more questions that are related and also answer them. I really appreciate that 🥰
yay! we love that you appreciate that format. most times when we answer questions, we don't practice or make any script, we just look at the question and answer it on camera. that's why we take the opportunity to ask each other questions while we're at it, so we learn more about each other haha
For one school year, my fourth grade year, I went to a school that was the only elementary school in the district with deaf and hard of hearing classrooms. We had 2 classrooms of hearing impaired students, and we often shared recess and lunch periods and passed in the hallways. Two boys, twins, and I would always wave and smile and the urge to communicate was there. I got a book on sign language and learned the alphabet and a few basic signs. It was so fun, being able to talk and joke as we passed by and being able to play together. Through lip reading, my crappy basic sign skills, and just kids understanding kid behavior, we had a great little friendship. So sad when I had to go to a different school that next year.
You guys are a blessing. Communicating about communicating. Bridging the gap between individuals (yourselves) which we all have to do; bridging the gap between you two and your audience; bridging the gap between the deaf world and the hearing world (historically, a REALLY tough thing, but you guys do it with love, grace, and superb skill). Thank you both so much!
Java is so adorable! Last month I went to my high school ( Boston school for the Deaf reunion with boyfriend. Who is hearing too. It’s was nice to see some my old Deaf friends.
I learned sign language because I became friends with a deaf couple. I first learned SEE. I always mouthed the words (not audibly) because it was part of the SEE experience, but more importantly because both my friends could read lips. After SEE, I started learning ASL, but found it challenging to change the word order, so I blended the two. I use ASL signs, but in English order. I know several deaf and hearing - impaired people now and they are all very patient with me when I sign. 🙂 I love your videos and am so glad you are back!
Finger spelling can be a long, stressful on the eyes, and needs a lot of focus. Have both of you developed your own signs for words that you use everyday so that you finger spell less? What are your name signs that deaf people give to each other? For example, a friend of mine's name starts with an h and his friend also starts with an h. So people do the letter h on their chest when talking about the one h and somewhere else when talking about the other h. If an emergency would happen, how do you quickly communicate to each other? What about if you are to far too sign the signs?
Being deaf I use total communication. I use Signed Exact English and my speech. Some people don't understand me well and I am a poor lip reader. I can lip-read, but not their covered masks. I tell them and I teach them a few simple sign language and even body language during the hospital stay. Mostly I write down the notes on the clipboard. I check my medical records on an app on my two iPad tablets and I let them know about the mistakes. I wrote down several pages of papers.
As always, appreciate the cc. I had a blind friend and a couple deaf friends in elementary school. They did not get as much help as the should have, and they definitely never tried to help them socialize or assimilate to anyone. We were supposedly the special needs school, but they didn't have interpreters. Made me mad at 8 and might make me even angrier now that they didn't get the help they deserved.
Can I just tell you how much I love your channel? You are both such relaxed people that I can just chill watching your videos, plus I have to actually watch it and not just use it as background noise. And the two of you are helping me brush up on my ASL. I think something that gets glossed over a lot that you kind of touched on, is the use of facial expressions in showing how a sign should be interpreted. I would love to see you two show some of how they are used.
I like how you guys answer questions, especially ones that people might be afraid to ask because they’re not sure if they’re offensive or not. I like how honest you guys are.
I have learned so much watching your channel, I even start watching without subtitles, but then put them back on to catch everything you are saying. I am in England and BSL is a bit different to ASL., I was speaking to a deaf friend and they said there is a difference. Lovely to see you both and the cute Java (btw, was a nice opening to the vid) Love you guys ♥♥♥
This was a great insight! I'm in grad school to become an SLP. The industry is really trying to shift away from audism, oralism, monolingual English. But I am disappointed that ASL and Deaf culture is not an official component. It's elective, or sprinkled in. I am learning ASL because I want to advocate for children to get access to ASL (or another sign language) with a bilingual approach, and if I'm going to advocate that I should have basic competence myself. (Plus, it's a fun and interesting language to learn anyway.) Anyway, I'm wondering, Ryan, what you wish your SLPs had known, or what you wish was different about your experiences with them, and what you found beneficial, or a waste of your time, or harmful. Absolutely no pressure to address this!
Hey guys. When my deaf wife and I started dating, I too knew no sign language. My "deaf girl friend" had a small device called a tty. It was a portable tty so we used it as the in between. I eventually took sign a sign language class and learned but I was very grateful for the portable tty. I'd type on it while she read, and then she would type while I read. Love your videos. God Bless.
Over 2 years ago i just woke up unable to hear an now I'm what my doctor and so on would call profoundly deaf can't hear anything, but because I've talked most of my life and understand sounds people look at me like well your talking you can't be deaf or how do you know what say a truck sounds like I've heard it in my past.. it's like I'm expected not to talk or I'm lying anyway much love found you guys awhile back when my hearing went and you both made me feel better have a blessed like take care.
Now I understand why I can understand your signing, as I learned to sign SEE, sign exact English, before ASL. I was an interpreter for many years, so really enjoy your videos.
2:45 also for new ASL learners, while learning when to move eyebrows up or down, it usually matches when your tone of voice would do. Eyebrows and voices go up for yes/no questions; eyebrows and voice lower for questions requiring an answer.
@@SignDuoChannel hey that’s fine! Deaf people get to make the rules but don’t have to follow them and I respect that! Haha. My Deaf ASL teacher tells me “rules” often that she herself “breaks” haha. That tip just helped me when I was learning ;)
Ryan was right cuz I exactly what saying about in school I grew and I learn read lip same thing what you saying. Well I m glad to see you both also java too anyway you both take care and I hope to see you both again 🫶🫶🤟🤟❤❤
Thanks for answering these questions. As a hearing person, I knew that there were different "types" of sign language & after this video I realize that I sign SEE...I'm not fluent by any means, but I'm trying to learn more to communicate with deaf family members. I absolutely love you guys & your content.
Great video/question. Thanks guys. Also, I love how yall use your peripheral vision to listen to each other. (Or so it appears to me; I could absolutely be wrong and not know what I'm talking about!) But if I'm correct, that is really cool 😎To look straight into someone's eyes, and/or read their lips, AND watch their asl movements out the corner of your eye is just a super power lol
Just started an asl class with two other people. I know that’s not how you sign but think of y’all often. I was so excited to see this video pop up. Maybe you have answered this before but have you learned other sign languages like an English speaker learning Spanish or French.
Theres also nose twitching lol. No signs. Just twitch your nose a few times to say “yeah” “ok” or “I see/understand” But some people I met, felt that it was rude to do that. I guess if they no idea 🤔
I missed this video when it came out, but it is something I've wondered about for a very long time and you provided a really excellent, thorough explanation. Thank you so much!
That was a great video I didn't know about the mouth morphemes either. I was also wondering in regards to signing when people are professionally signing songs like at a concert do you find it depends on the interpreter what words they sign (because there are so many sign languages)so you rely some on the mouth movements of the singer as well as the beat of the song or do they generally use the same language so use the same signs to convey
As someone learning ASL. I find this helpful. it nakes sense thatyou learned SEE first before ASL. Some of your signs are different than what I was taught so I am not sure if they are SEE or ASL signs. However I know signs vary locally too. thank you guys for having easy to follow videos, watching ASL typically means slow mo or rewinding it but I didn't have to do that to understand most of it.
ASL just like english has dialects .. local areas have signs that are specific to them.. or groups of people have a modified sign that another group would not. SEE is really only useful in a school environment and not intended for day to day communicating. Signing in English order using ASL signs is often referred to PSE (Pidgin Signed English) and is much more useful for someone who just wants to communicate with deaf friends than SEE. SEE adds (out of necessity) shapes to show grammer/punctuation etc as if reading an english text.(book/novel/school paper/etc.) While someone who learns ASL in California will be able to sign with someone from Ontario Canada there will be some "regionalized" signs that the other person wouldn't necessarily recognize. There are also "old" signs that the "kids" have phased out and new signs have developed just like any language it's constantly growing. If you are taking a course on ASL hopefully they will teach you some Deaf culture and history as it's fascinating :) Keep learning, keep practicing, and don't be afraid to use what little you know to have a conversation with someone !
🤟 all your videos every single one of them are helpful. thank u, for always posting and sharing all you have experienced and stories and pretty much everything. You guys are lovely couple and java is adorable 🐶 This has really helped me to better understand how to communicte and show how much fun it is too ❤🤟
I'm curious when the wedding will be and if you guys are planning to post that video when it's time? Also, that was a great answer to why we deaf people move our mouths! I typically move mine cause its natutal to me and i want people to understand what I'm trying to say.
I appreciate you adding back in the Q&A format--it's good to see you both again, and Java too! My question is if there was one thing that the hearing population could do that would make accessibility better for the deaf population, what would be the biggest benefit or first choice of thing to change in society?
This was so interesting! I love that you're going to be doing more questions like this! I have a question about friendship as a deaf person. How did you make friends in school since there was such a communication barrier? Did you ever get bullied or were people pretty accepting and made the effort to get to know you? Are your friends as an adult mostly hearing, deaf or a mixture of both?
Hopefully they answer that for you, but all of my Deaf friends went through high school anyway without any friends if they were mainstreamed (public school with or without an interpreter). The ones who went to Deaf institutes has friendships like normal. All who had access to full sign language were successful out of school once graduated
I was just learning about mouth movements in my asl course. For example “CHA” to emphasize something big. As of right now I’m learning how to describe objects in rooms using classifiers.
3:20 I also know Deaf who will mouth (but not voice) the specific word they want an interpreter to use, since lots of signs have multiple English words 👍🏼💕. Thanks for explaining your reasons Ryan! Makes sense!
I'd love to better understand the difference between SEE, where the signs synch up with English, vs ASL, where the signs might be different in grammar or order or structure. I think Nyle DiMarco's book explained some of that about ASL syntax, like "When" might be the last word instead of the first, for example. Or I remember in Children of a Lesser God where he said "I'm dying to know" but signed "I want to know" ... more straightforward language. I would be interested in comparison to what we see on your videos, where the signing lines up with English. Maybe that's already been explained in another video; maybe I'm mixed up in my understanding; thanks
SEE uses some ASL signs but adds more signs to show grammer/punctuation so as to convey most of everything that can be written in English. ASL is more conversational. As for grammar and order, the largest influence for the start of ASL was a Frenchman ... because of that ASL follows a lot of the word order of French / Spanish (latin languages). There is some fascinating history there about Laurent Clerc and Thomas Gallaudet leading to the formation of Gallaudet University that might interest you. Also read about Marthas Vinyard Deaf population and Sign Language. It's an unfortunate story in some ways but the people there had a big impact on what signing in North America is today.
I have frequented the same bar for over 20 years now, and during these same years there has been a deaf man who has been a regular for almost as long. We're friends. He "speaks" [but not well, as you can imagine] and it was hard to understand him at first, but after years of communicating, it's not hard now. To me, it's as if he speaks English with a very strong accent. I ask him questions and when he answers me, I understand him. Because he's a great lip reader, he almost always understands me. There was one funny time when he misread my lips so severely that we laughed about it all night long. [Sorry I can't remember exactly what he misread of my lips, but it was super funny because I couldn't even understand how he thought I said what he thought I did, because the two English sentences were NOTHING alike verbally, but in lip-sync were identical.] Still, we have a great friendship, but people can't believe that I really understand him. In fact I have fewer problems understanding him that I had trying to communicate with a co-worker from Scotland who apparently spoke English, but I'm still not sure about that. I was wondering if Ryan ever tries to verbally communicate, or if he has just stopped doing so because there are so many speaking-people who have no patience to stop and try to understand him, or if he's only verbal to friends, just wanting to avoid the unnecessary intolerance of the speaking-world.
What is it like when yall are angry? I would imagine it would be easy to cut off all communication by just turning around or closing your eyes... do you have rules not to do that when arguing?
🤟🤟🤟 Yes that is very common experience if we are mainstream and learning English first before sign. I have problems with my hearing for a long time since I was pre-teen and prefer ASL or SimCom to communicate now. Still move my mouth with English words or words match the signs when non-verbal 😂 just a habit hard to break!
Hi! Love learning more about your language but I do have a 6yr old son that has a deaf boy in his class. He has a cochlear implant. What’s your take on those? And would you consider getting one?
I feel like it's been mentioned and i forgot, but hearing SEE surprised me. I thought that had fallen out of fashion. Was that Ryan's first language? Also echo the other comments that y'all did fine ans i also like how thorough the answers are. Happy spooky season
yeah I grew up using mostly SEE, but then learned more ASL in middle/high school. Now I sign PSE which is a mix of the two. Thanks for the kind comment :)
Me and my friends would sign without our voices. I remember me and my friend fighting in sign language and my mom wondering why everything quiet all of sudden. She caught us fighting and she doesn't know sign language. My mom never learned how to sign. My sister did. My brother didn't my dad didn't know. Just me. I was hard of hearing back then. Now im complete deaf. Anyway, my mom got between us and asked me what going on. All I see hand movements with loud clap and slap or whatever else you threw in with sign language. I told my mom we're just arguing about my boyfriend. She said oh ok. Then walked off. Me and ny friend made up and went to kitchen to eat chips. LOL.
Finger spelling for me Is kind of similar to Hiragana (Japanese Alphabet) And some people ask .... "Why do you need Kanji (Chinese Symbols)If Its so difficult? Just use Hiragana all the time." ..... well, If everything was hiragana It would take a very long time to communicate anything, Japanese words can be long! Also, the problem of homonyms and homophones
Greetings from New Zealand 🇳🇿 I have a random question - with NZ Sign Language the grammar/sentence structure is quite different to English and uses less "filler" words so signing and speaking English out loud at the same time is very difficult. Is that the same with ASL? I love watching your content. I understand very basic NZSL and it’s always interesting to see similar signs in your videos!
Yes it’s the same! “SIM COM” is simultaneous communication, and either the signing or the spoken language will be butchered since they are so different it’s impossible to do them both properly at the same time. Good observation
@@NovasTH-camName interesting! I’ve seen one person do it - an adult daughter (hearing) with her deaf mother. She was translating for our small group of students but still signing so we get more practice. A lifetime of practice and she says it’s still exhausting (understandably!).
I have a question: I notice you two refer to sign and ASL as two distinct entities. I was taught ASL in high school and am aware of other sign languages like BSL, but is there a more distinct difference between what you refer to as "sign" and ASL? From context clues, I'm thinking it could be ASL's unique grammar or facial expressions? But I'm definitely curious if there's a, for lack of a better word, generic sign language you use. Love your videos and be well!
Hi I am Sarah I love watching your video I have special need s I love how you both express how you feel I think sign language is very cool my question is. What's your favorite holidays desert
My biggest struggle with learning ASL is when other people finger spell. How does it get easier over time because I feel like it’s not getting easier 🥴 especially when it’s done quickly
I'm trying to learn ASL, i really love learning languages and learning ASL has been one of my favorite things, but having no one to practice or to sign with is hard 😔
@@SignDuoChannel i always practice by creating conversations in my head with words i know and signing those sentences, or by repeating all the signs i learn many times until i can remember them without problems :)
If I learn sign this way (using English sentence structure and order) will I offend deaf people who use ASL when I sign to them? Or will they not understand me. (I am hearing)
I used to take ASL in college as my language but have since fallen out of sync with it, but someone recently turned me back on to learning sign again. Although the problem I always had is that I can practice on my own really well and understand it, but when it came to having a conversation, I'm viewing the signs from a completely different perspective. How would I go about practicing understanding that persepective if I don't have someone else who knows ASL?
I was wondering, when you’re both just communicating with each other do you still verbalise your english even though he doesn’t? Or do you do that for the benefit of your viewers even though the viewers who don’t know sign language would need to turn on captions to understand his responses to you?
I’ve also noticed most sign language teachers say the words as they sign them so many of us learning sign language see the lip movements and the signs which might lead us to mouth the words or even use them. I know in some environments I mouth the words and others I verbalise them. I often feel as well that mouthing the words helps aid understanding because it allows for the combination of lip reading and sign to work in combination. And because I have auditory processing disorder (aka I can hear but sometimes have trouble having my brain translate the words that were said) I am often compensating for my auditory processing by reading lips at the same time.
I'm sure you can't hear music, instruments, melodies, or vocals. Are you able to pick up the beat from a song just from vibrations caused by a (loud) speaker or amp?
That’s a good question; thanks for asking. Saying "I'm sure you can't hear music" is subjective, as deafness is a spectrum and doesn’t mean a person cannot hear anything at all. As to your question, some individuals may experience certain vibrations or low frequencies, allowing them to pick up on the rhythm or beat of a song through vibrations from a loud speaker or amplifier. I was never very interested in music or instruments during my youth, I focused more on sports and fitness- so I would be less likely to pick up a beat compared to someone who had more exposure to music. Hope that makes sense!
Is it okay for a hearing person to move their mouth sometimes (without making sounds... just the movement) when signing some words? Does that distract from signing or does it add to it?
@@SignDuoChannel yes so cute and most of the time i think he thought he was much smaller than he actually was lol. the mix always got us raised eyebrows
not really, most of the time I try to just live my life. There are some situations where discrimination happens, and I would usually analyze why it happened and how to prevent it if I plan on going back to that public space.
At the end, Ellen mentioned that you guys would communicate less clearly (or textbook-ish, I guess) with each other, and tend towards ASL. Does that mean that the signing you guys do throughout the video is more SEE?
That’s an interesting observation. It makes sense to see parallels between how hearing people use gestures and how Deaf individuals use signs. Both forms of communication express meaning and emotions visually, even though the contexts are different. For hearing people, gestures can complement spoken language, while for Deaf individuals, sign language is a complete language in itself.
As a Deaf person I have been asked the same question, and sometimes I find it challenging to answer. You two nailed it!!!! You did great. 🤟🏻
It definitely is challenging to answer people who don’t really understand sign language but I’m glad you think we did a good job giving a simple answer
That was a great answer. My ASL teacher always said that the mouth morphemes are there for description and clarification. So many signs will have different meanings depending on context, so mouth morphemes help clarify. I feel better about the answers I gave my husband when he asked the same question of me. I’m hearing but have had to fall back on ASL for a means of communication in the last year due to a voice injury and this was one of my husband’s most burning questions! Haha. Thanks so much!
For example.
Fifteen. Fifty.
Thank you and good.
Something like that
I love how you guys always take the whole video to answer a question. You don't just say two sentences and that's it, but always explain it in details. Plus, you ask each other more questions that are related and also answer them. I really appreciate that 🥰
yay! we love that you appreciate that format. most times when we answer questions, we don't practice or make any script, we just look at the question and answer it on camera. that's why we take the opportunity to ask each other questions while we're at it, so we learn more about each other haha
For one school year, my fourth grade year, I went to a school that was the only elementary school in the district with deaf and hard of hearing classrooms. We had 2 classrooms of hearing impaired students, and we often shared recess and lunch periods and passed in the hallways. Two boys, twins, and I would always wave and smile and the urge to communicate was there. I got a book on sign language and learned the alphabet and a few basic signs. It was so fun, being able to talk and joke as we passed by and being able to play together. Through lip reading, my crappy basic sign skills, and just kids understanding kid behavior, we had a great little friendship. So sad when I had to go to a different school that next year.
You guys are a blessing. Communicating about communicating. Bridging the gap between individuals (yourselves) which we all have to do; bridging the gap between you two and your audience; bridging the gap between the deaf world and the hearing world (historically, a REALLY tough thing, but you guys do it with love, grace, and superb skill). Thank you both so much!
Thanks for answering these questions! Really gives insight to the little details that most people would be too afraid to ask. And Java is so cute ❤
I can't 😊 🌹 Java is too cute sleeping on the couch with his floppy ears 🐕 a great distraction. Love the ASL chats ❤
Hahah she’s so cute when she’s tired from a long day
Java is so adorable! Last month I went to my high school ( Boston school for the Deaf reunion with boyfriend. Who is hearing too. It’s was nice to see some my old Deaf friends.
I learned sign language because I became friends with a deaf couple. I first learned SEE. I always mouthed the words (not audibly) because it was part of the SEE experience, but more importantly because both my friends could read lips. After SEE, I started learning ASL, but found it challenging to change the word order, so I blended the two. I use ASL signs, but in English order. I know several deaf and hearing - impaired people now and they are all very patient with me when I sign. 🙂 I love your videos and am so glad you are back!
Sign duo ❤ thank you both for the new video. I am not from the deaf community but it's so nice to see you both again. And Java ❤
Finger spelling can be a long, stressful on the eyes, and needs a lot of focus. Have both of you developed your own signs for words that you use everyday so that you finger spell less? What are your name signs that deaf people give to each other? For example, a friend of mine's name starts with an h and his friend also starts with an h. So people do the letter h on their chest when talking about the one h and somewhere else when talking about the other h. If an emergency would happen, how do you quickly communicate to each other? What about if you are to far too sign the signs?
Being deaf I use total communication. I use Signed Exact English and my speech. Some people don't understand me well and I am a poor lip reader. I can lip-read, but not their covered masks. I tell them and I teach them a few simple sign language and even body language during the hospital stay. Mostly I write down the notes on the clipboard. I check my medical records on an app on my two iPad tablets and I let them know about the mistakes. I wrote down several pages of papers.
As always, appreciate the cc. I had a blind friend and a couple deaf friends in elementary school. They did not get as much help as the should have, and they definitely never tried to help them socialize or assimilate to anyone. We were supposedly the special needs school, but they didn't have interpreters. Made me mad at 8 and might make me even angrier now that they didn't get the help they deserved.
Can I just tell you how much I love your channel? You are both such relaxed people that I can just chill watching your videos, plus I have to actually watch it and not just use it as background noise. And the two of you are helping me brush up on my ASL. I think something that gets glossed over a lot that you kind of touched on, is the use of facial expressions in showing how a sign should be interpreted. I would love to see you two show some of how they are used.
I like how you guys answer questions, especially ones that people might be afraid to ask because they’re not sure if they’re offensive or not. I like how honest you guys are.
Yes!! I second that!
Of course! :)
I can't believe...you guys are back 😭😭😭😭🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷
You guys are my inspiration to learn asl 🫶🏻
Yeah! We’re back 😁💕
I have learned so much watching your channel, I even start watching without subtitles, but then put them back on to catch everything you are saying. I am in England and BSL is a bit different to ASL., I was speaking to a deaf friend and they said there is a difference. Lovely to see you both and the cute Java (btw, was a nice opening to the vid) Love you guys ♥♥♥
Java was soooo sleepy. I think you did great. What a cool perspective! I was worried you weren’t going to do “sign duo out” but it was there 😎.
Thanks! We appreciate your kind compliment. Haha yeah Java was exhausted from going to the beach.
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@@SignDuoChannel for sure! ☺️ that makes sense, poor baby had so much fun. 😎😎😎 good job!
This was a great insight! I'm in grad school to become an SLP. The industry is really trying to shift away from audism, oralism, monolingual English. But I am disappointed that ASL and Deaf culture is not an official component. It's elective, or sprinkled in. I am learning ASL because I want to advocate for children to get access to ASL (or another sign language) with a bilingual approach, and if I'm going to advocate that I should have basic competence myself. (Plus, it's a fun and interesting language to learn anyway.) Anyway, I'm wondering, Ryan, what you wish your SLPs had known, or what you wish was different about your experiences with them, and what you found beneficial, or a waste of your time, or harmful. Absolutely no pressure to address this!
Hey guys. When my deaf wife and I started dating, I too knew no sign language. My "deaf girl friend" had a small device called a tty. It was a portable tty so we used it as the in between. I eventually took sign a sign language class and learned but I was very grateful for the portable tty. I'd type on it while she read, and then she would type while I read. Love your videos. God Bless.
Ah yes so cool Jack. It worked for you guys, seems like since you are both married now! God bless you
Over 2 years ago i just woke up unable to hear an now I'm what my doctor and so on would call profoundly deaf can't hear anything, but because I've talked most of my life and understand sounds people look at me like well your talking you can't be deaf or how do you know what say a truck sounds like I've heard it in my past.. it's like I'm expected not to talk or I'm lying anyway much love found you guys awhile back when my hearing went and you both made me feel better have a blessed like take care.
Take care Shelly
I really enjoy you two! I am getting my signing comprehension and speed up - being able to not pay attention to the CC much.
Nice! You’re progressing
To me, It’s natural way to make others understand but you guys are correct. Awesome guys! Enjoy your day! Cheers!
cheers
Thank you for the efforts and energy you put into educating us. Your videos are always a treat and delightful.
Thank you Nathalie for your recognition and kind comment
Now I understand why I can understand your signing, as I learned to sign SEE, sign exact English, before ASL. I was an interpreter for many years, so really enjoy your videos.
This is the first video of yours I've ever seen and I really enjoyed it. Thanks for answering this question so thoughtfully. I've subscribed!
We're so glad you enjoyed the video! Welcome to the "sign fam"😄
@@SignDuoChannel Thank you! 😀
2:45 also for new ASL learners, while learning when to move eyebrows up or down, it usually matches when your tone of voice would do. Eyebrows and voices go up for yes/no questions; eyebrows and voice lower for questions requiring an answer.
Personally I don't follow that rule that great hahah
@@SignDuoChannel hey that’s fine! Deaf people get to make the rules but don’t have to follow them and I respect that! Haha. My Deaf ASL teacher tells me “rules” often that she herself “breaks” haha. That tip just helped me when I was learning ;)
Glad you guys are back! 😊 Love the video. The role of mouth movements in sign language is more complex than I'd previously thought!
Thanks! :D glad you liked the video
Ryan was right cuz I exactly what saying about in school I grew and I learn read lip same thing what you saying. Well I m glad to see you both also java too anyway you both take care and I hope to see you both again 🫶🫶🤟🤟❤❤
Thanks for answering these questions. As a hearing person, I knew that there were different "types" of sign language & after this video I realize that I sign SEE...I'm not fluent by any means, but I'm trying to learn more to communicate with deaf family members. I absolutely love you guys & your content.
Great video/question. Thanks guys. Also, I love how yall use your peripheral vision to listen to each other. (Or so it appears to me; I could absolutely be wrong and not know what I'm talking about!) But if I'm correct, that is really cool 😎To look straight into someone's eyes, and/or read their lips, AND watch their asl movements out the corner of your eye is just a super power lol
Love you guys, you have made my days for years with your videos. You guys warm my heart. ❤😊
Just started an asl class with two other people. I know that’s not how you sign but think of y’all often. I was so excited to see this video pop up. Maybe you have answered this before but have you learned other sign languages like an English speaker learning Spanish or French.
Glad you're finally doing videos again. Where did you guys disappear to?
Thanks ☺️ we made 3 videos this month
I’ve had many nights where I’d listen to your videos to hear mouth smacking, it’s asmr to me! Mainly in the car videos too. The best!!
Lol glad you like the asmr
Theres also nose twitching lol. No signs. Just twitch your nose a few times to say “yeah” “ok” or “I see/understand”
But some people I met, felt that it was rude to do that. I guess if they no idea 🤔
Hahah oh yeah the infamous nose twitch. If you didn’t know sign language that would look weird for sure
great question, interesting answer! I love learning languages as ways to understand people and culture, and this really taught me something new
that's awesome I'm happy you were able to learn something new! that's the best part of life, is learning new things!
Love it - thanks
Thank you too!
I missed this video when it came out, but it is something I've wondered about for a very long time and you provided a really excellent, thorough explanation. Thank you so much!
You're so welcome Emily!
wow guys that was really interesting and you explained it amazingly with context and examples! Thank youu!))
Glad you thought so! You're welcome :)
You have done great! You always do great! Love your videos ❤ Thank you for letting us see the details that are daily life to you 🤗
Thank you for your kind comment ❤️
That was a great video I didn't know about the mouth morphemes either. I was also wondering in regards to signing when people are professionally signing songs like at a concert do you find it depends on the interpreter what words they sign (because there are so many sign languages)so you rely some on the mouth movements of the singer as well as the beat of the song or do they generally use the same language so use the same signs to convey
As someone learning ASL. I find this helpful. it nakes sense thatyou learned SEE first before ASL. Some of your signs are different than what I was taught so I am not sure if they are SEE or ASL signs. However I know signs vary locally too. thank you guys for having easy to follow videos, watching ASL typically means slow mo or rewinding it but I didn't have to do that to understand most of it.
ASL just like english has dialects .. local areas have signs that are specific to them.. or groups of people have a modified sign that another group would not. SEE is really only useful in a school environment and not intended for day to day communicating. Signing in English order using ASL signs is often referred to PSE (Pidgin Signed English) and is much more useful for someone who just wants to communicate with deaf friends than SEE. SEE adds (out of necessity) shapes to show grammer/punctuation etc as if reading an english text.(book/novel/school paper/etc.) While someone who learns ASL in California will be able to sign with someone from Ontario Canada there will be some "regionalized" signs that the other person wouldn't necessarily recognize. There are also "old" signs that the "kids" have phased out and new signs have developed just like any language it's constantly growing. If you are taking a course on ASL hopefully they will teach you some Deaf culture and history as it's fascinating :) Keep learning, keep practicing, and don't be afraid to use what little you know to have a conversation with someone !
I've been signing OH-I-SEE for 20+ years without using that mouth morpheme and I don't think I've ever seen it used either!! 🤯
You guys did great! Really liked this question! ❤
Thank you Jackie!
🤟 all your videos every single one of them are helpful. thank u, for always posting and sharing all you have experienced and stories and pretty much everything. You guys are lovely couple and java is adorable 🐶 This has really helped me to better understand how to communicte and show how much fun it is too ❤🤟
I'm curious when the wedding will be and if you guys are planning to post that video when it's time?
Also, that was a great answer to why we deaf people move our mouths! I typically move mine cause its natutal to me and i want people to understand what I'm trying to say.
Cool I am hard of hearing but I rarely move my mouth when I use ASL but some of my deaf friends sometime does that
thanks for sharing your preference and experience Edward
Man I always get about 30 seconds into a video before I realise I've forgotten to turn on the captions. ^_____^
hahah
I appreciate you adding back in the Q&A format--it's good to see you both again, and Java too! My question is if there was one thing that the hearing population could do that would make accessibility better for the deaf population, what would be the biggest benefit or first choice of thing to change in society?
New sub! I love your channel. My nephew is hard of hearing and we’re learning ASL together.
Thank you for this video!love it! You two are too cute!
hehehe thanks 🤗
This was so interesting! I love that you're going to be doing more questions like this!
I have a question about friendship as a deaf person. How did you make friends in school since there was such a communication barrier? Did you ever get bullied or were people pretty accepting and made the effort to get to know you? Are your friends as an adult mostly hearing, deaf or a mixture of both?
Hopefully they answer that for you, but all of my Deaf friends went through high school anyway without any friends if they were mainstreamed (public school with or without an interpreter). The ones who went to Deaf institutes has friendships like normal. All who had access to full sign language were successful out of school once graduated
@@NovasTH-camName Thank you for sharing!
I was just learning about mouth movements in my asl course. For example “CHA” to emphasize something big. As of right now I’m learning how to describe objects in rooms using classifiers.
Had no idea sign language has morphemes, so interesting 😯
yeah! it is for sure.
Love you guys!! So happy to see you again!! ❤❤❤
I been wanting to know this for years
Now you know
3:20 I also know Deaf who will mouth (but not voice) the specific word they want an interpreter to use, since lots of signs have multiple English words 👍🏼💕. Thanks for explaining your reasons Ryan! Makes sense!
You're completely right. I have done that many times
My first time being with you and I enjoyed so so much. Thank you.
I’m so glad! Welcome to our channel!
Happy Weekend Ellen and Ryan 😊
Thanks you too!
Y'all did great! I remember Java as a little pup!
thanks! yeah she's grown into a pretty little lady ❤️
I'd love to better understand the difference between SEE, where the signs synch up with English, vs ASL, where the signs might be different in grammar or order or structure.
I think Nyle DiMarco's book explained some of that about ASL syntax, like "When" might be the last word instead of the first, for example.
Or I remember in Children of a Lesser God where he said "I'm dying to know" but signed "I want to know" ... more straightforward language.
I would be interested in comparison to what we see on your videos, where the signing lines up with English.
Maybe that's already been explained in another video; maybe I'm mixed up in my understanding; thanks
SEE uses some ASL signs but adds more signs to show grammer/punctuation so as to convey most of everything that can be written in English. ASL is more conversational. As for grammar and order, the largest influence for the start of ASL was a Frenchman ... because of that ASL follows a lot of the word order of French / Spanish (latin languages). There is some fascinating history there about Laurent Clerc and Thomas Gallaudet leading to the formation of Gallaudet University that might interest you. Also read about Marthas Vinyard Deaf population and Sign Language. It's an unfortunate story in some ways but the people there had a big impact on what signing in North America is today.
I have frequented the same bar for over 20 years now, and during these same years there has been a deaf man who has been a regular for almost as long. We're friends. He "speaks" [but not well, as you can imagine] and it was hard to understand him at first, but after years of communicating, it's not hard now. To me, it's as if he speaks English with a very strong accent. I ask him questions and when he answers me, I understand him. Because he's a great lip reader, he almost always understands me. There was one funny time when he misread my lips so severely that we laughed about it all night long. [Sorry I can't remember exactly what he misread of my lips, but it was super funny because I couldn't even understand how he thought I said what he thought I did, because the two English sentences were NOTHING alike verbally, but in lip-sync were identical.] Still, we have a great friendship, but people can't believe that I really understand him. In fact I have fewer problems understanding him that I had trying to communicate with a co-worker from Scotland who apparently spoke English, but I'm still not sure about that.
I was wondering if Ryan ever tries to verbally communicate, or if he has just stopped doing so because there are so many speaking-people who have no patience to stop and try to understand him, or if he's only verbal to friends, just wanting to avoid the unnecessary intolerance of the speaking-world.
What is it like when yall are angry? I would imagine it would be easy to cut off all communication by just turning around or closing your eyes... do you have rules not to do that when arguing?
🤟🤟🤟 Yes that is very common experience if we are mainstream and learning English first before sign. I have problems with my hearing for a long time since I was pre-teen and prefer ASL or SimCom to communicate now. Still move my mouth with English words or words match the signs when non-verbal 😂 just a habit hard to break!
thanks for sharing your experience
Hi! Love learning more about your language but I do have a 6yr old son that has a deaf boy in his class. He has a cochlear implant. What’s your take on those? And would you consider getting one?
I missed you guys, glad to see you again! (sweet dreams Java)
Us too! Haha she had a great sleep
I feel like it's been mentioned and i forgot, but hearing SEE surprised me. I thought that had fallen out of fashion. Was that Ryan's first language? Also echo the other comments that y'all did fine ans i also like how thorough the answers are. Happy spooky season
yeah I grew up using mostly SEE, but then learned more ASL in middle/high school. Now I sign PSE which is a mix of the two. Thanks for the kind comment :)
Me and my friends would sign without our voices. I remember me and my friend fighting in sign language and my mom wondering why everything quiet all of sudden. She caught us fighting and she doesn't know sign language. My mom never learned how to sign. My sister did. My brother didn't my dad didn't know. Just me. I was hard of hearing back then. Now im complete deaf. Anyway, my mom got between us and asked me what going on. All I see hand movements with loud clap and slap or whatever else you threw in with sign language. I told my mom we're just arguing about my boyfriend. She said oh ok. Then walked off. Me and ny friend made up and went to kitchen to eat chips. LOL.
Finger spelling for me Is kind of similar to Hiragana (Japanese Alphabet) And some people ask .... "Why do you need Kanji (Chinese Symbols)If Its so difficult? Just use Hiragana all the time." ..... well, If everything was hiragana It would take a very long time to communicate anything, Japanese words can be long! Also, the problem of homonyms and homophones
Greetings from New Zealand 🇳🇿
I have a random question - with NZ Sign Language the grammar/sentence structure is quite different to English and uses less "filler" words so signing and speaking English out loud at the same time is very difficult. Is that the same with ASL?
I love watching your content. I understand very basic NZSL and it’s always interesting to see similar signs in your videos!
Yes it’s the same! “SIM COM” is simultaneous communication, and either the signing or the spoken language will be butchered since they are so different it’s impossible to do them both properly at the same time. Good observation
@@NovasTH-camName interesting! I’ve seen one person do it - an adult daughter (hearing) with her deaf mother. She was translating for our small group of students but still signing so we get more practice. A lifetime of practice and she says it’s still exhausting (understandably!).
I have a question: I notice you two refer to sign and ASL as two distinct entities. I was taught ASL in high school and am aware of other sign languages like BSL, but is there a more distinct difference between what you refer to as "sign" and ASL? From context clues, I'm thinking it could be ASL's unique grammar or facial expressions? But I'm definitely curious if there's a, for lack of a better word, generic sign language you use. Love your videos and be well!
Do you ever create new signs for things?
Hi I am Sarah I love watching your video I have special need s I love how you both express how you feel I think sign language is very cool my question is. What's your favorite holidays desert
After all these years, you guys are still cool. 😎
haha thank you 😎
love u both and finally u both got new video again smile
Happy Saturday, lovers!
Happy Saturday to you too Joel
My biggest struggle with learning ASL is when other people finger spell. How does it get easier over time because I feel like it’s not getting easier 🥴 especially when it’s done quickly
I'm trying to learn ASL, i really love learning languages and learning ASL has been one of my favorite things, but having no one to practice or to sign with is hard 😔
I can understand that. You could try practicing in front of a mirror, weird I know but it works!
@@SignDuoChannel i always practice by creating conversations in my head with words i know and signing those sentences, or by repeating all the signs i learn many times until i can remember them without problems :)
Im gonna start learning sign language
Nice! Let me know if you need help with finding resources
Hello, I can see people are deaf and hearing voice low verb speech. How do I learn to see words while hearing and not deaf are you correct
Sorry I don’t understand what you’re saying, could you clarify?
@SignDuoChannel Hello how I training world speak deaf can't talking people are càn spelling world talk. People can how speaking talks world sometimes
If I learn sign this way (using English sentence structure and order) will I offend deaf people who use ASL when I sign to them? Or will they not understand me. (I am hearing)
I wouldn't be offended. It really depends on the deaf person you're signing with
I used to take ASL in college as my language but have since fallen out of sync with it, but someone recently turned me back on to learning sign again. Although the problem I always had is that I can practice on my own really well and understand it, but when it came to having a conversation, I'm viewing the signs from a completely different perspective. How would I go about practicing understanding that persepective if I don't have someone else who knows ASL?
I was wondering, when you’re both just communicating with each other do you still verbalise your english even though he doesn’t? Or do you do that for the benefit of your viewers even though the viewers who don’t know sign language would need to turn on captions to understand his responses to you?
I’ve also noticed most sign language teachers say the words as they sign them so many of us learning sign language see the lip movements and the signs which might lead us to mouth the words or even use them. I know in some environments I mouth the words and others I verbalise them. I often feel as well that mouthing the words helps aid understanding because it allows for the combination of lip reading and sign to work in combination. And because I have auditory processing disorder (aka I can hear but sometimes have trouble having my brain translate the words that were said) I am often compensating for my auditory processing by reading lips at the same time.
KO is a great way to describe Java 😂
Haha yea she was OUT! 🥹
I'm sure you can't hear music, instruments, melodies, or vocals. Are you able to pick up the beat from a song just from vibrations caused by a (loud) speaker or amp?
That’s a good question; thanks for asking. Saying "I'm sure you can't hear music" is subjective, as deafness is a spectrum and doesn’t mean a person cannot hear anything at all. As to your question, some individuals may experience certain vibrations or low frequencies, allowing them to pick up on the rhythm or beat of a song through vibrations from a loud speaker or amplifier. I was never very interested in music or instruments during my youth, I focused more on sports and fitness- so I would be less likely to pick up a beat compared to someone who had more exposure to music. Hope that makes sense!
@@SignDuoChannel I probably could've worded it better. Thanks for the reply!
Of course! thanks for asking
Is it okay for a hearing person to move their mouth sometimes (without making sounds... just the movement) when signing some words? Does that distract from signing or does it add to it?
I’d say it’s okay with me, but I can’t speak for others. Personally, it doesn’t distract me.
Interesting
Glad you found it interesting
Wow I had no idea closed captions can decode sign language. I was about to ask for somebody to do a voice over lol
Thanks we manually type the closed captions ourselves :D
omg my late dog looked like ur dog!! he was a pomeranian and pitbull mix
I can't imagine that mix haha must have been so cute ❤️
@@SignDuoChannel yes so cute and most of the time i think he thought he was much smaller than he actually was lol. the mix always got us raised eyebrows
hahhaha we feel exactly the same way about Java. Somehow she is small but big at the same time 😂
I have misophonia and this deaf mouth noise really triggers it 😢
Do you ever enter into a public space and think, has it passed the deaf/hard of hearing accessibility audit?
not really, most of the time I try to just live my life. There are some situations where discrimination happens, and I would usually analyze why it happened and how to prevent it if I plan on going back to that public space.
hay guys grate stuff do you sign your dog
thank you
At the end, Ellen mentioned that you guys would communicate less clearly (or textbook-ish, I guess) with each other, and tend towards ASL. Does that mean that the signing you guys do throughout the video is more SEE?
More PSE (Pidgin Signed English) ASL signs but in English word order.
like @ozmundas said, we use more of a PSE style
I'm curious on how you think in your head. In sign? In letters? pictures? or maybe something else that I perhaps haven't thought of?
how do you think in your head? lol
Im sorry.. im confused. Is there an option where I can see what he's saying via closed captions? Wish I knew how to read signs. 😓
Hi yes there are captions available :) you have to select the “English” subtitles
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Why is lip/mouth smacking important when/if the other person can't hear the smacking?
we didn't address any of that in this video. But naturally if you mouth words, the lips makes noise. It's part of life, everything makes a sound
@@SignDuoChannel Sure. I just thought that the sound helped some ppl too. :)
I'm not sure if that is the case
I feel like hearing people gesturing with their hands when talking is analogous to deaf people moving their mouths when signing?
That’s an interesting observation. It makes sense to see parallels between how hearing people use gestures and how Deaf individuals use signs. Both forms of communication express meaning and emotions visually, even though the contexts are different.
For hearing people, gestures can complement spoken language, while for Deaf individuals, sign language is a complete language in itself.
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Yeah, I think it is because Deaf people's mouth communication garbles voice sign language and makes their mouths loud. You know.
Thinking about how Americans are sarcastic, how do you share sarcasm in an ASL conversation?
by exaggerated signing, sassy facial expressions, and speed at which is signed