Fun fact: every _Five Nights at Freddy’s_ game before the VR one is technically 2D. Similar to the special stages of Sonic 2 and 3, it just uses pre-rendered sprites and backgrounds.
@@Boxman487 yes, even sister location. all the games before the VR one is 2d and just use more advanced forms of prerendered graphics. that's why in sister location whenever you move you can either move forward with light or left and right with no light
@@zacknattack nah, the pieces are on top of the board. That's the 3rd (or 5th) dimension in chess. A Knight's move used the same amount of dimensions as a Bishop's move, just in different ratios
@@loreleihillard5078 the knight is always described as jumping over inbetween pieces though edit: and if the knight didn't jump over, it'd have to phase through a solid wall of pieces; bishop movement does not phase through pieces as shown by pawns capturing diagonally. additionally the bishop is 1/sqrt(2) tiles away from a piece at the closest during movement past adjacent pieces; it's more reasonable for the bishop to fit through without jumping than for the knight to, which is a distance of 1/2 at the closest.
The 2D-3D transition of around 1996 was the defining gaming era of my childhood and I’m pretty offended Scott couldn’t even bother being alive during it.
I like to think that Scott is just constantly pissed at shit no one cares about and 5 minutes before each episode someone makes an offhand comment that starts a rant
I think this video was an answer to all the comments on the new Metroid Dread. Seeing that direct live, the comments were horrendous. Even now the comments are still meh
@@steelbear2063 What are you talking about? Do you think Nintendo is made up of only 20 people? Both games are being made *at the same time.* The devs for Metroid Prime 4 is Retro Studios, the devs for Metroid Dread is Mercury Steam, they're being made in parallel.
I can actually imagine Scott walking into his family reunion, sitting at the table with the adults, and starting a conversation on why the Wii u is the misunderstood black sheep of the Nintendo console family. For 40 minutes.
Some genres just work way better with 2D gameplay, most fighting popular fighting games are all 2D, Smash, Fighterz etc. Then there's bangers like Celeste and Hollow Night. 2D games just as great
@@Gigadweeb I'm sorry but DBZ BT3 is severely over-rated. People love to talk about how massive the character roster is but it loses a lot of meaning when you realize just how much animations are recycled and how everyone has at least 1 super move that the majority of the roster has. On top of that; The story was a big letdown coming off of the previous entry, they cut out WAY too much, it may as well have pulled a DB RB2 and not had one at all. Meanwhile; DBFZ has a roster of 40+ and pretty much everyone has their own moveset. Even the multiple Goku's have plenty of tools to call their own. And sure maybe the story wasn't that good but at least it was new and not recycled the manga for the 50 millionth time. Honestly, DBFZ is probably 1 of the most faithful video games to the franchise.
Some of my favourite games are 2d indie games made by only a couple of people. They tend to have more passion, creativity and value than any big EA or ubisoft game
Depends how you look at it, 2D fighters are doing very well recently, but they fell really far out of favour with the mainstream at around the late 90s until Street Fighter IV in 2009. I’m not kidding when I say some people didn’t even know there was a Street Fighter III beforehand.
As someone who runs 2D-exclusive gaming websites, I've had this conversation a lot over the years, and you nailed it in this video. 2D gaming went from ubiquity to handhelds, to indie games, to its modern renaissance. The 2D gaming resurgence over the past decade has been wonderful!
I think that's where the scorn of fully priced 2d games comes from. We've all gotten used to it making its home on handheld or indies, which are always cheaper than console games made by big studios.
@@anothergamer112 Fortunately, indie developers have stopped their "race to the bottom" in terms of pricing, and have realized that people will pay more for quality games. This has been supported by more high-profile quality games and the rise of physical releases for some of the best indie titles out there.
@@8BitHorse true. A college course I took taught me that people psychologically associate a higher price with better quality. Honestly, if Hollow Knight Silksong is 10 or so more than the original, I'd be more inclined to buy it since it would tell me it's a better and more polished product.
@@anothergamer112 Absolutely! And I love this example because I got a copy of Hollow Knight from the developer to review it when it came out, and I loved the game so much that I bought the $100 Fangamer physical edition. I would happily pay a premium for Silksong, the next Supergiant game, or anything of that pedigree. When they're making something that good, they deserve to be paid well.
I'm thinking of buying Switch some day in the future, and I have 6 games I'm interested in. I hoped that the new Metroid game would be similar to Metroid Prime, then it could be the 7th game, but alas. I'll have to wait and see about that Metroid Prime 4 game, if it ever comes out
17:34 I think another important reason why so much 2D stopped cutting it was that the casual audience doesn't give you much longevity. There is really no brand loyalty or investment in the medium. Grandma is usually content with buying a single 2D Mario game and calling it a day.
@@kumatorahaltmanndreemurr Me too. I know the internet has the tendency to veer toward negativity in general, so I've been spending a lot less time in gaming communities online and more time just PLAYING games again. It feels like it used to when I was a kid and gaming was actually enjoyable and stress free.
@The Stonefish Negativity can be found everywhere, and I think it's fine if people want to stay away from it if they just want to enjoy what they like. It doesn't mean I won't complain or talk about a game corporation pulling off another scummy anti-customer move, but that also doesn't mean I'll stop playing games for fun completely just to spend time constantly arguing about them online. There's a place and time for everything. Me? I just want to play Castlevania: Symphony of the Night on my mobile phone for the 500th time this month.
@@cheekybananaboy3361 the fact their face is never shown, voice is never heard and that they don’t play into any pre existing character. I say gf because someone living with Scott would be able to appear with this casual frequency
It would've fit in the "you think this is worth 60" part. The 3d sonic critics fucking praise broken ass games like skyrim and the newer fallouts and consume ea garbage plus excuse cyberpunk. I think sa2 is better than sunshine and all 3d sonic pre-shadow were great. The big first 3d platformers are all flawed as fuck yet sonic is the only bad one apparently despite 64 forcing padding on you and having a terrible camera and ocarina of time having shit ass interruptions and the mother fucking water temple.
@@thatitalianlameguy2235Tails/Eggman and Knuckles/Rouge are better than Mario Sunshine? The two thirds of the game (literally) that everyone complains about? Those are better than Sunshine? Think you might need to reevaluate your personal biases
I genuinely did not see the outro joke coming and that is absolutely fantastic! Side note, always great to see Viewtiful Joe get some love, even if only for a couple seconds.
@@cryptothermia he was wearing the konami laser scope and listening to music through it in a park and dad is just there in the background dancing. I forget which episode though
10 seconds in and we already have a really good joke in the jokebook, 21 minutes in and we have a ton. Always love videos from Scot Woz, awesome video :D
@@steelbear2063 To be fair, even the PS4 is stronger than the Switch... on the other hand, Prime 4 is Nintendo only, so as long as Nintendo doesn't want it to start off the Switch 2 or what ever the next Big N console is, Prime should be on Switch. If it comes.
@@kumabear5229 eh the switch is still hugely popular and as far as we know will have stuff that people are extremely hyped for like botw 2 and the two new Pokémon games (remakes of one of if not the most popular Pokémon generations and the Pokémon legends game)
While 2D has been the preferred realm of indie devs for a long time it's clear that this is changing now, 3D development tools have become much better and more accessible so in the late 2010s and 2020s we've started to see a ton of 3D indie games.
I can't believe how long it's taken me to realize how good 2d games still are. I dropped out of them around middle school but now have rediscovered my love for them
This summer, Geometry Dash 2.2 is finally coming out and its platformer mode will make GD into a direct competitor for Super Mario Maker 2, where SMM2 is on Switch, while GD is on PCs and mobiles. This def will be awesome UPD. Man, now I really watched the video and I can say I didn't realise how many good games there are that I was missing. Ofc gameplay-wise, since Scott as a Nintendo fan prefers diverse gameplay to story, or even graphics sometimes.
Well, the gap between Mario World and NSMB was 14-16 years, depending on which launch date you take. It might have taken Metroid 19 years from Fusion to Dread, but if we consider the remakes (which were basically new games as well, being so different from the original), the gap between Zero Mission and Samus Returns is "only" 12 years. :D The question is, how will 2D Mario continue next? It's been already 9 years since NSMBU and I can't imagine them doing another one of those. There is Mario Maker of course, but that's not the same as a complete new game made by Nintendo themselves. I hope they re-invent 2D Mario, because the NSMB games were just wayyy too similar.
@@Ray_2112 I think Mario Maker alone is worthy of continuing 2D Mario personally. Even just the story mode for Mario Maker 2 was interesting. That said, NSMB, Mario Maker and 3D Land/3D World could all be considered ‘continuations’ of 2D Mario depending on who you ask, so it’s really hard to say what Nintendo’s long term plans are. Because it’s been so long since an original NSMB game however, having one now might be received better. I think NSMB DS and Wii at least were different enough from each other, but 2 and U were certainly mismanaged.
Dear Scott, Recently I’ve been really stressed about starting a new school year at a new school. To calm myself down I’ve been watching your videos. You’re able to provide an escape out of what I’m in right now. I don’t even have a Nintendo switch, but every time he talks about it it’s still interesting. Or the wii. Or Ride to Hell. I don’t even know what any of these things are, but you’re able to make it so entertaining. You’ve been so helpful to me these past couple of weeks. Thank you, Scott
I’ve been to 8 different schools and I’m only in my first year of high school rn!!! I’m sure that no matter what life throws at you, I hope that you can grab you pepto sword, put a copy of madden 08 in yours pants, and keep max Paine 3 in your backlog even longer and persevere
@Thi_Usi Kinda. Special is still special, you can be special in different ways. It's like "if everyone is super - no one is" from The Incredibles. Someone can fly, someone controls ice. See what I mean?
Agreed, this one had so many banger jokes together as well as being an interesting topic well looked into as well as having a good point. Scott episodes are always enjoyable but thing ones up there with Dick Vitale and others, legit one of my favourite review/analysis/lookat videos I've seen in a long time and even more impressive considering it's a small/normal scale episode without any gimmicks, just an on point traditional episode.
@@lookatmynose9788 2d has a easier time conveying information to the player, stuff like character emotions and combat patterns and colors are usually more vibrant since you don't have to deal with lighting, in other words, fast paced games and beautiful sprite/pixel-art.
@@user-pq4by2rq9y what? How does 2-D better convey emotions? Both 3D and 2D both can nail emotions or bomb, neither is necessarily better than the other
Quake 1 came out a day earlier than Mario 64 and yet Mario 64 steals the limelight for the grandfather of 3D gaming. Descent 2 also had a head start. I wonder if it was due to the 3rd person perspective of Mario 64? More open world? Quake had a hub similar to the Princess' castle. Anyway, I just find it interesting.
It might have something to do with Mario 64 selling over twice as many copies. A lot more people probably had their first true 3D experience with Mario 64, so it got the credit. Not exactly fair, but hey, that's life.
Super Mario 64 had soooo many refinements with gameplay that benefited all 3rd person 3D games, while Quake was more of a technology showcase on top of (mostly) existing FPS gameplay. And I agree that Descent was very underrated, but the 6DOF shooter genre just didn't take off. When people talk about games, it's usually less about under-the-hood technology like Doom's BSP rendering engine, Quake's precalculated lights, and its ability to run on a 486. Instead, it's more talk about things that are immediately fun / noticeable, like the analog stick, Mario's movement, etc. IMO it's more appropriate to give more praise to Doom for being the grandfather of FPS gaming than Quake. In fact, I personally think Doom is a much better game than Quake, a sentiment that I often see online. Not to say that Quake didn't have any gameplay refinements, but going from Doom -> Quake was a much smaller gap gameplay-wise than going from any 3rd person 3D game -> Mario 64.
I think it's a matter of influence. Quake was monumental to the PC world as SM64 was to consoles, but if you look at most 3D games today I feel like you'd have an easier time tracing Mario's DNA to them than Quake's. Most big FPS games these days are military shooters or like, battle royales were people are jumping and building and platforming, and I dunno if I feel that strong a kinship with them and Quake. CoD kinda stole the crown? But Assassin's Creed, platformers, 3D action games who were inspired by SM64's camera... sometimes you're first in, but that doesn't make you the baby's daddy, you know? Also Descent? Really? Even the most annoying of PCMR-sheep barely remember Descent. Point me to a Descent-like produced in like the latest ten years that's NOT some obscure indie game made by a superdedicated fan and who's sold like less than 10K copies, that game lent it's DNA to NOBODY.
I mean its about impact not strictly chronology. Even if other games did 3D earlier and at times arguably better for their genre, it's undeniable how much of a benchmark M64 is and was, it and Ocarina are absolutely the games who became the standard not just qualitatively but by sheer reach.
I love how 2D has been revitalized to such an extent. There’s this creativeness to making a 2D game in recent years, how they have been polished tirelessly and now, in the right hands, it just clicks into place and you get instantly hooked in this feel-good ride that you know is gonna be special from start to finish. Last time I had this was with Kirby Planet Robobot and I cherish that experience greatly.
I actually think the comparison of 2D and 3D games to Black & White and Color film is really interesting, because similarly to 2D games, you have B&W films released in the color era like Schindler’s List, The Man Who Wasn’t There, and Eraserhead, all of which fundamentally would not work in full color
There’s another Lynch classic you left out of this list that was also B&W: The Elephant Man Any “beauty” in that film I feel would’ve been ruined had it been filmed in color
@@jerrysgardentractorsengine2243 Yeah completely agreed. I didn't include it because I hadn't actually seen it yet when I wrote the comment (I have since, though).
I mean playing it now I have noticed some flaws like the level design degenerating as u progress through the game but who doesn't want to play a brand new Max Payne in 2018 with stylized bullet time anyway I am hoping for a sequel coming soon since the first one ended with a weird cliff hanger like ending or even an origin game surrounding the protagonist's origins
The mystery man holding a gun to Scott's head has appeared so many times now I'm starting to think Scott has actually been taken hostage and this is a cry for help
No lie, Wario Land: Shake It has, without exaggeration, the single best ending of any video game I have ever played. Amazing game, amazing animation, absolutely genius ending.
I love that game too. Too bad I dont have it anymore, so I havent played it in like, 8 years or so. I would buy it again on the switch if they ported it so that I could play it again
honestly the sheer volume of Scott's video examples is impressive, some of the 3d gameplay clips are only 1 second long but he still went through the work of putting that video in, damn man.
I agree. My brother asked me just earlier today which I liked better between Hollow Knight and Bloodborne. I had to say Hollow Knight, because of the how much more polished it was (I absolutely love both games, tho)
That extra axis opens up a lot more possiblity for player unpredictability to go wrong for sure. In order for a 2d game to have as much opportunity for kinks in the system as most 3D ones it either needs to be very complex (like say Isaac) or simply not be handled with much care.
Definitely one of my favourite episodes in a while, I especially like that Moonshine joke but there's plenty of other great moments all the way through. One of your best IMO.
On "true" 4D gaming: there's _Miegakure,_ an as-yet-unreleased game with four spatial dimensions. It's a bit of a mind-bender to work with (try imagining how a 2D creature would see us!)
Hey Scott, the video output rate and quality recently has been really great, and I just wanted to show my appreciation for all the work you've been putting in this year. Thanks for the great content, as always!
I mean, if it's like Samus Returns, it probably isn't; Samus Returns was good but it was clearly worse than the other post-GB 2D Metroids, with the melee slowing basic combat to a crawl, and it wasn't exactly very long. I certainly would not pay 60 bucks for a game that primarily seems to be a sequel to it; I kind of regret paying 40 for it and wish I had waited a bit. Note that I have no similar regrets about, say, Fusion, a game I've played through like a dozen times and even managed to get the best ending in, as opposed to about one full playthroughs of Samus Returns and one "this game is more boring than I remember" playthrough that lasted an hour at most. Besides, Dread only costs that much because it's a Switch game and that's the default price point for first party Switch games, not because it deserves it more; Pokemon got much worse overall from 3DS to Switch and it went from 40 to 60 , the Link's Awakening remake was a polished up GB game and it got to be 60, and going from Samus Returns to Dread seems to be the exact same thing to me, the console is the reason for it, not the genre.
@@hoodedman6579 Good news for you, they apparently took the criticisms about the melee counter slowing down combat to heart and made it much more fast-paced. You can now hit an enemy while running and don't have to wait for them to flash in order to counter. They specifically emphasized this in the marketing, so apparently they knew it was a problem.
You know what i really love about this video and Scott's comedy in general? The beautiful simplicity of the family reunion joke. You have the setup in the beginning, the reinforcement in the middle (Dad, pay attention), and the payoff at the end. Just S tier writing right there
I think the revival of 2D might have also been helped by the boom of 2D flash games on the web. Developers like nitrome made some great stuff around that time
I think the best part about this video, is that Scott gave more attention to the EA NHL series then EA themselves have given that franchise is the last 8 years
Metroid Dread looks awesome and I think Metroid Prime 4 will be awesome too! All we need now is a 2d Castlevania reboot and the switch will be the best console of all time!
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW But they didn't start making both at the same time...actually maybe they did, but Prime 4 had to start development from scratch two years ago.
I remember my first genuine reaction to Super Mario 64, being one of not really ready for the transition to 3D, as I wanted more 2D Mario, lol. Then for a while, it really felt like 3D dominated, and I was surprised and pretty happy to see 2D return from the indie scene, and then from everyone else. At first I felt the 2D revival was fuelled by mainly nostalgia, but there were a lot of titles that felt new and fresh, and it's good to see it's here to stay.
This quality, this often is the youth. Avgn used to pump them out weekly too. Enjoy Scott. Enjoy him. They're putting an insane amount of work into this entertainment. Never take it for granted.
I mean I get his point, Mania is 20 dollars and a love letter to the series that gets platforming right while Forces is double the price and is infinitley worse in every way below mediocrity. For christ sakes Hollow Knight is 15 while Fifa is 60/70, I'd say Mania and HK are more than worthy to be at least 30 and should be slightly more Liberal/confident with their pricing while we should make it so new 3D games aren't automatically expensive. We need pricing to be more accurate to value to some form of extent, I'm not going to complain games like Terraria are 10 bucks but it's certainly an overly generous price.
He wants 2D and 3D games to be priced equal. They technically could also lower the prices of 3D games to the level of 2D games. ... Not that any publisher would ever do that, so yeah, leaving only the other possibility.
I remember reading a 2003 Nintendo Power issue where they covered Viewtiful Joe for GameCube. The preview hyped up how it was a 2D game on the console. I feel that was the primordial return to roots before we started getting New Super Mario Bros. and 2D gaming on consoles.
"The Graphics look too old! I want NEW NEW NEW!" God I hate people like that. People held that opinion that 2d sprites shouldn't exist back then, and still today. WHY? Why do people hate sprites so much?
The irony is that people lament the death of 2D animated films, but for video games it's somehow different. Admittedly, 2D animated films have perspective and varying camera angles, whereas 2D games don't, or at least are limited in that regard. But just because it's more technically impressive doesn't mean it looks better.
The best looking Metroid titles are Fusion and Zero Mission. Shake It might be the best looking 2d game Nintendo has put out yet, although I think indies have definitely overtaken it - Hollow Knight in particular although I know some would pick Cuphead instead. I just fundamentally seem to prefer the aesthetics of high bit sprites to polygons all things being equal - And I say this as someone who likes the art style of Link's Awakening... I'd still prefer if it were 2d graphics. ...At least it looks like they're doing something a bit cinematic with Dread from the trailers in how they're transitioning between cutscenes and gameplay, but... Gods imagine Fusion in HD rather than 240x160 with modern 2d graphics rather than 32 bit ones and how gorgeous Nightmare's melting face would look like that...
It's elitism and snobbery, really. Same reason people say combustion engines are archaic and blah blah. In the latter case, the environment is just a convenient excuse to act like they're smarter and more forward-thinking than you. It's something they really try to hammer into you in college; acting "smart."
@@kumabear5229 I came to that gen relatively late meaning I played the PS1 FF games out of order. I can't say for the actual release, but Final Fantasy 7's graphics - especially the character models used outside of battles - had not aged well by the release of Final Fantasy 9. Generally, though, 3d stuff that's more heavily stylized - Paper Mario, The Windwaker, Jet Set Radio/Future, Gregory Horror Show - aged better graphically than stuff that was less heavily stylized.
This is interesting and something I've noticed that carries on today. Something I've noticed is the social aspect updates have had on gamers. Now if your game can be updated, people expect more content out of games. Which indirectly makes developers hold content from release to fluff out the life span of the game. Shooters probably have this the worst
yeah @Matthew Roedl in fairness, I’m glad they’re not still keeping to the chapter 1 release schedule of a new item and map updates every week as the employees were reportedly pretty overworked
Remember when Nintendo released one 2D platformer game for the GameCube and then had a complete change of heart and released at least half a dozen 2D platformers for Wii and then continued to do it for Wii U and Switch? Those were certainly times. By the way, that one 2D platformer Nintendo made for GameCube was Donkey Kong Jungle Beat if anyone didn’t know... I guess a big monkey playing bongos was the best Nintendo could do for the time.
@@MrDiana1706 Yeah, Jungle Beat was actually really good! It’s one of the most creative games for GameCube and that’s really saying something when you realize the GameCube was already full of amazingly creative games!
@@nickk3077 Indeed. You just made me realise I forgot the bongos! Which from what I've seen worked pretty damn well. I really gotta get my hands in the GC version of the game, slapping bongos seems way better than waggling the Wiimote and nunchuk like no tomorrow, *_specially in the boss rush_*
my two favorite games of all time are Undertale and Celeste, 2D games. Sonic Mania was an incredible experience and Hollow Knight is sure to be one once i get back to playing. modern 2D gaming is so good, man
Metroid Dread $60. It will definitely deliver what it's worth. Something we waited for, finally can dive into the next chapter in the series. 2D lives on
"It will definitely deliver what it's worth" Blind faith in a product is bad thing; there is every possibility that it's bad. I don't think it will be bad, but there's no "definitely" about it.
@@hoodedman6579 as a long time fan, it will deliver something amazing. MercurySteam = Samus Returns, they will take Dread to another level. Blind faith. Really. Believe what you want. I feel that Dread will be awesome.
@@kadosho02 Not only just them being behind SR, but Mercury also being a developer that gets consistently better and better and has a knack for taking criticism very well. I had a lot of issues with SR, and the Dread trailers have already shown them all being remedied.
@@luisisthenamelitn6978 Watching the games...I think the only complicated one is maybe Kingdom Hearts 3 because of the many side-games that already being made after 2 and felt 2 can have some questions but seemingly fine enough.
There's nothing wrong with finding your own stopping point with Kingdom Hearts. Some people feel like 1 was the end. 2 was the end. Personally, for me, 3 is the end. I have played and thoroughly enjoyed every game from the start until now and I know where the series is headed. Whatever comes next cant keep me invested.
@@_-Lx-_ eh I don't think so. PlatinumGames is an established developer, and they were getting published by Squeenix. It's definitely on the low end of AAA as far as budgets go but I think it's above AA.
The fall of 2d is from that one time Scott dropped his glasses and had to use some random 3d glasses he had as a replacement for a few years until he could save up to buy new glasses
Cutscenes aren't fluff. I don't understand people's vendetta against cutscenes. They're respite from the gameplay, they're an opportunity to tether you to the story and characters, it's an opportunity to bring focus on the story and characters by developing them in the spotlight, it's an opportunity to do interesting things that can't be done in gameplay, and much much more. If you played the game already sure by all means skip em you've seen em before they've done their job but don't sit there and disrespectful them the first time through.
Honestly, yeah, that's how I feel. I think the rule should be that you give all cutscenes a fair shake at least the first time through a game. And hell, depending on the game, you might be GLAD you ended up at a cutscene so your stress is temporarily alleviated.
@@arielglr7177 I get it. Your not big on games that emphasize story, no shame in that. But don't knock those that do. And gratuitous cuts scenes are not a new thing anyway, I recently played Metal Gear Solid for the first time, and as someone who loves Sony's AAA games, MGS nearly broke me and that game is over 20 years old. Different strokes, for different folks.
Coming back to this video just after Mario Wonder started getting acclaim across the boards with many 9s and 10s...while at the same time so many are arguing against buying the game because it's not worth 60 bucks.
As someone who's shooting a movie for my rock band in black and white (except for a few short animated color sequences), this is definitely relatable. While most major studios stopped shooting films in black and white by 1966 (unless done for artistic reasons), the absence of color has it's advantages and since the late 90's, it seems like a lot of indie filmmakers are shooting films as such for similar reasons as me.
0:48 We actually do have a fourth dimension in gaming! Games like 4D miner, Miegakure, Hyper (2001) and that one 4D golf game are in true 4D. Granted, Miegakure and the golf game are in development, and 4D miner is in early access, they’re still there.
Love the point you make in this video. I was listening to a podcast earlier today where the host said Metroid Dread looks "cheap" because it's 2.5D. I'm just like... How???
I think 2.5D can often look cheap, though not always. Although 3D games are typically harder to program due to all the clipping issues, hitboxes, weird camera angles, model loading, and such, 3D graphics are easier than 2D, as rigging and animating a model is easier than manually drawing a frame-by-frame animation for every move, every enemy, every NPC. It's part of the reason Ori has hand-drawn 2D backgrounds (which are static) but 3D character models; it's cheaper. So by making a 2D game with 3D models, it can feel cheap, in a way. Now, Metroid Dread doesn't feel cheap at all in my opinion. The sheer amount of detail put into the environments and animations, and the inclusion of full 3D cutscenes makes it feel justified using 3D graphics. But for a game like New Super Mario Bros. Wii, it just feels cheap compared to, say, Yoshi's Island, where 2D sprites were all hand-drawn and fit in with the backgrounds, all with a crayon-like art style. I still very much have a love of pure 2D games, though. One of the best games I've played visually is Hyper Light Drifter, which has no 3D graphics whatsoever. It uses a pixel art style, but it doesn't feel cheap like a lot of indie games that do. It has some of the most amazing animations I've ever seen. The minimalist art style, the atmosphere in the environments, and the fact that it still uses advanced graphical effects give it a very distinctive visual feel, which isn't just imitating the style of a SNES/Genesis game like so many cheap pixel art indie games.
3D graphics, models and whatnot, are cheaper to make than 2D graphics, simple as that; as a result, many 2.5D games look like they were made that way to avoid having to pay more for 2D graphics, which means that they look like crap because they're just taking the cheaper option to be cheap, and something doing that isn't going to take the time to make the style actually look good. This results in games like Mighty No. 9, which had great looking concept art but ultimately looked bad, though the decision to have voice acting combined with no facial movement exacerbated this. I primarily associate 2.5D with these kinds of games, so I tend to wary of the style as a whole; that being said, I thought Dread looked fine.
Living thru this was torture, once Nintendo realized that 2D platformers still had huge drawing power (like around the Wii U) is when things got better.
![[Full] 4 ต่อ 4 Celebrity EP.920 | 3 พ.ย. 67 | one31](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KwiW2M_kAg4/mqdefault.jpg)
If Scott were to be a best man at a wedding, he’d start with a speech, but by the time his bit is over, it’s been a 40 minute rant about the e-reader.
I do not see the downside
That would be more entertaining than the service
scott would be more than a “best” man
I see no problem here
you can never stop the gamer
Fun fact: every _Five Nights at Freddy’s_ game before the VR one is technically 2D. Similar to the special stages of Sonic 2 and 3, it just uses pre-rendered sprites and backgrounds.
I don't think you know what you're talking about... What about 4 and SL?
@@scarpusgaming made with clickteam fusion, a 2d engine. Everything was prerendered.
@@scarpusgaming Even 4, Not sister location though i dont think
@@Boxman487 yes, even sister location. all the games before the VR one is 2d and just use more advanced forms of prerendered graphics. that's why in sister location whenever you move you can either move forward with light or left and right with no light
@@Boxman487 sister location was pre rendered. every game besides vr
Scott clearly has not played 5D Chess with multiverse travel on steam yet. 5D is the future of all games.
technically 5d chess with multiverse time travel is 5d in the same way nornal chess is 3d: knight jump:))
Scott would rather die than be seen playing a game on PC lmao
@@zacknattack nah, the pieces are on top of the board. That's the 3rd (or 5th) dimension in chess. A Knight's move used the same amount of dimensions as a Bishop's move, just in different ratios
@@loreleihillard5078 the knight is always described as jumping over inbetween pieces though
edit: and if the knight didn't jump over, it'd have to phase through a solid wall of pieces; bishop movement does not phase through pieces as shown by pawns capturing diagonally. additionally the bishop is 1/sqrt(2) tiles away from a piece at the closest during movement past adjacent pieces; it's more reasonable for the bishop to fit through without jumping than for the knight to, which is a distance of 1/2 at the closest.
time* travel
i'ma be real it scares me and i want it but broke
The 2D-3D transition of around 1996 was the defining gaming era of my childhood and I’m pretty offended Scott couldn’t even bother being alive during it.
It wasn't all good. Croc, Bubsy 3D, Earthworm Jim 64...
Blame her mother for not being pregnant enough
@@dashhhh8228 or earlier
The nerve of this guy!
Fetus status is close
I like to think that Scott is just constantly pissed at shit no one cares about and 5 minutes before each episode someone makes an offhand comment that starts a rant
That’s a pretty good theory. I like it.
I think this video was an answer to all the comments on the new Metroid Dread. Seeing that direct live, the comments were horrendous. Even now the comments are still meh
@@nikkoa.3639
Making a 2D Metroid game instead of something like Metroid Prime is horrendous
@@steelbear2063 What are you talking about? Do you think Nintendo is made up of only 20 people? Both games are being made *at the same time.* The devs for Metroid Prime 4 is Retro Studios, the devs for Metroid Dread is Mercury Steam, they're being made in parallel.
@@nikkoa.3639
Metroid Prime 4 is in development hell tho. Retro Studios is simply the current developer, not the first
14:50
Scott: "And great animation-"
*Shows Wario's shaking butt*
I suppose Scott has his priorities right
I don’t think Scott gives a damn
To be fair, that's a *great* example
Scott is a Man of Culture.
Nice pfp
lol word
I can actually imagine Scott walking into his family reunion, sitting at the table with the adults, and starting a conversation on why the Wii u is the misunderstood black sheep of the Nintendo console family. For 40 minutes.
Then looks at 3d world for a 4th time
Oh you sweet summer fool, it would take him the whole reunion
Scott in 2D would be wearing that hoodie
Hey I love your channel
I see you in every Scott the Woz video lol
yes
what
Castlevania like.
Some genres just work way better with 2D gameplay, most fighting popular fighting games are all 2D, Smash, Fighterz etc. Then there's bangers like Celeste and Hollow Night. 2D games just as great
@@Gigadweeb I'm sorry but DBZ BT3 is severely over-rated. People love to talk about how massive the character roster is but it loses a lot of meaning when you realize just how much animations are recycled and how everyone has at least 1 super move that the majority of the roster has.
On top of that; The story was a big letdown coming off of the previous entry, they cut out WAY too much, it may as well have pulled a DB RB2 and not had one at all.
Meanwhile; DBFZ has a roster of 40+ and pretty much everyone has their own moveset. Even the multiple Goku's have plenty of tools to call their own. And sure maybe the story wasn't that good but at least it was new and not recycled the manga for the 50 millionth time. Honestly, DBFZ is probably 1 of the most faithful video games to the franchise.
Some of my favourite games are 2d indie games made by only a couple of people. They tend to have more passion, creativity and value than any big EA or ubisoft game
ᶜᵃⁿ ⁱ ᵍᵉᵗ ¹ ˢᵘᵇ ᶠʳᵒᵐ ʸᵒᵘ?.
.
Depends how you look at it, 2D fighters are doing very well recently, but they fell really far out of favour with the mainstream at around the late 90s until Street Fighter IV in 2009. I’m not kidding when I say some people didn’t even know there was a Street Fighter III beforehand.
Hollow Knighzzzzzzzzzzz
As someone who runs 2D-exclusive gaming websites, I've had this conversation a lot over the years, and you nailed it in this video. 2D gaming went from ubiquity to handhelds, to indie games, to its modern renaissance. The 2D gaming resurgence over the past decade has been wonderful!
I think that's where the scorn of fully priced 2d games comes from. We've all gotten used to it making its home on handheld or indies, which are always cheaper than console games made by big studios.
@@anothergamer112 Fortunately, indie developers have stopped their "race to the bottom" in terms of pricing, and have realized that people will pay more for quality games. This has been supported by more high-profile quality games and the rise of physical releases for some of the best indie titles out there.
@@8BitHorse true. A college course I took taught me that people psychologically associate a higher price with better quality. Honestly, if Hollow Knight Silksong is 10 or so more than the original, I'd be more inclined to buy it since it would tell me it's a better and more polished product.
@@anothergamer112 Absolutely! And I love this example because I got a copy of Hollow Knight from the developer to review it when it came out, and I loved the game so much that I bought the $100 Fangamer physical edition. I would happily pay a premium for Silksong, the next Supergiant game, or anything of that pedigree. When they're making something that good, they deserve to be paid well.
Wish I had a true portable to play new 2d releases.
Scott really just saw all the people complaining about metroid dread being a 2D game for $60 and made an entire video about it.
✋ guilty!
That's our Scott.
Yes
I'm thinking of buying Switch some day in the future, and I have 6 games I'm interested in. I hoped that the new Metroid game would be similar to Metroid Prime, then it could be the 7th game, but alas. I'll have to wait and see about that Metroid Prime 4 game, if it ever comes out
@@steelbear2063 if you want Metroid Prime wait for Prime 4... Metroid has mostly been in 2D, yes even... Other M
The thing i love about scott the woz is that he has hundreds of facial expresions each frame
The fact that Scott put together an entire game of mousetrap just for 2 seconds of content is absolutely hilarious to me
Explain
@@animatebirds553 no
@@jordanhingoo7017 ok
I just realized you meant a LITERAL game of mousetrap like the board game
I thought you used it figuratively like “cat and mouse”
RPG Footage... in a Scott The Woz video... What Sorcery is this?!?
@@certified9104 umm… no. I think you have us confused with someone else.
@@RenegadesReact oh sorry I do
Dark Sorcery
Witchcraft!
Not just any RPG, but Legend of Dragoon.
17:34 I think another important reason why so much 2D stopped cutting it was that the casual audience doesn't give you much longevity. There is really no brand loyalty or investment in the medium. Grandma is usually content with buying a single 2D Mario game and calling it a day.
Memes aside, I like how Scott can stay positive about games/gaming. It gets really cynical everywhere else imo.
He's still young. Give it time.
@@cattysplat I mean, you can stay jaded on /v/ all you want. Don't drag me back into it
I've been trying to cut gaming toxicity out of my life and just, you know, enjoy games more. So I really appreciate Scott's optimism
@@kumatorahaltmanndreemurr Me too. I know the internet has the tendency to veer toward negativity in general, so I've been spending a lot less time in gaming communities online and more time just PLAYING games again. It feels like it used to when I was a kid and gaming was actually enjoyable and stress free.
@The Stonefish Negativity can be found everywhere, and I think it's fine if people want to stay away from it if they just want to enjoy what they like. It doesn't mean I won't complain or talk about a game corporation pulling off another scummy anti-customer move, but that also doesn't mean I'll stop playing games for fun completely just to spend time constantly arguing about them online.
There's a place and time for everything. Me? I just want to play Castlevania: Symphony of the Night on my mobile phone for the 500th time this month.
I love that it seems Scotts friend was visiting, and he just wanted to use him the most he can
I think it might be a gf 😳 or a new person we haven’t seen before
@@packet4382 ...why?
@@cheekybananaboy3361 the fact their face is never shown, voice is never heard and that they don’t play into any pre existing character. I say gf because someone living with Scott would be able to appear with this casual frequency
i just love that person pulling Scott away
Timestamp?
Honestly the best part about this video is that Scott never talked about Sonic's transition to 3D and rocks
It would've fit in the "you think this is worth 60" part. The 3d sonic critics fucking praise broken ass games like skyrim and the newer fallouts and consume ea garbage plus excuse cyberpunk.
I think sa2 is better than sunshine and all 3d sonic pre-shadow were great. The big first 3d platformers are all flawed as fuck yet sonic is the only bad one apparently despite 64 forcing padding on you and having a terrible camera and ocarina of time having shit ass interruptions and the mother fucking water temple.
He talked about it in his 2d to 3d video
He did put some of Sonic Heroes in the background as he was criticising games making the jump to 3D for 3D's sake, though. Maybe that counts
His transition into 3D didn't rock
@@thatitalianlameguy2235Tails/Eggman and Knuckles/Rouge are better than Mario Sunshine? The two thirds of the game (literally) that everyone complains about? Those are better than Sunshine?
Think you might need to reevaluate your personal biases
I genuinely did not see the outro joke coming and that is absolutely fantastic!
Side note, always great to see Viewtiful Joe get some love, even if only for a couple seconds.
i dont get it
I’m just happy to see Oddworld getting some love, truly a man of impeccable taste that Scott
damn no Undertale
and castle crashers! i love that game to death, all of behemoth's games deserve a lot more attention than they get
@@BigLarge in the beginning of the video he talked about a family reunion and ask him about life, which began his rant about the 2D games.
"JOIN THE OCCULT DAD"
Best Scott The Woz line
I was wondering if this was a reference to dad the TH-cam channel/arg seeing as dad was in one of scotts previous videos
@@cryptothermia he was wearing the konami laser scope and listening to music through it in a park and dad is just there in the background dancing. I forget which episode though
@@aidanshook6510 considering that this is a video of what Scott would tell his family in a family reunion, I highly doubt that.
@@cryptothermia 13:24
Nah "You do math like a bitch" is the best line
10 seconds in and we already have a really good joke in the jokebook, 21 minutes in and we have a ton. Always love videos from Scot Woz, awesome video :D
the video has been out for 3 minutes....
Hey there checkmark
make a trailer
STOP!!!!!!!
Wow what about the last 24 seconds
Scott just uploads randomly now and I love it.
I am random
How are you here so fast what
@@morningbowl3156 we are just better
@@morningbowl3156 literally opened my phone and went “yup, virginity is back.”
Definitely.
Nothing sums this up better than Metroid Dread and Metroid Prime 4 both coming to Switch.
I personally can’t wait
@@kumabear5229
New God of War and Horizon games come to PS4, and you're worried about Switch dying after less than 5 years
Right
@@steelbear2063 To be fair, even the PS4 is stronger than the Switch... on the other hand, Prime 4 is Nintendo only, so as long as Nintendo doesn't want it to start off the Switch 2 or what ever the next Big N console is, Prime should be on Switch.
If it comes.
@@kumabear5229 eh the switch is still hugely popular and as far as we know will have stuff that people are extremely hyped for like botw 2 and the two new Pokémon games (remakes of one of if not the most popular Pokémon generations and the Pokémon legends game)
While 2D has been the preferred realm of indie devs for a long time it's clear that this is changing now, 3D development tools have become much better and more accessible so in the late 2010s and 2020s we've started to see a ton of 3D indie games.
I can't believe how long it's taken me to realize how good 2d games still are. I dropped out of them around middle school but now have rediscovered my love for them
This summer, Geometry Dash 2.2 is finally coming out and its platformer mode will make GD into a direct competitor for Super Mario Maker 2, where SMM2 is on Switch, while GD is on PCs and mobiles. This def will be awesome
UPD. Man, now I really watched the video and I can say I didn't realise how many good games there are that I was missing. Ofc gameplay-wise, since Scott as a Nintendo fan prefers diverse gameplay to story, or even graphics sometimes.
"There was a time where 2D Mario was basically extinct."
*Laughs in Metroid*
Well, the gap between Mario World and NSMB was 14-16 years, depending on which launch date you take. It might have taken Metroid 19 years from Fusion to Dread, but if we consider the remakes (which were basically new games as well, being so different from the original), the gap between Zero Mission and Samus Returns is "only" 12 years. :D
The question is, how will 2D Mario continue next? It's been already 9 years since NSMBU and I can't imagine them doing another one of those. There is Mario Maker of course, but that's not the same as a complete new game made by Nintendo themselves. I hope they re-invent 2D Mario, because the NSMB games were just wayyy too similar.
@@Ray_2112 I think Mario Maker alone is worthy of continuing 2D Mario personally. Even just the story mode for Mario Maker 2 was interesting. That said, NSMB, Mario Maker and 3D Land/3D World could all be considered ‘continuations’ of 2D Mario depending on who you ask, so it’s really hard to say what Nintendo’s long term plans are.
Because it’s been so long since an original NSMB game however, having one now might be received better. I think NSMB DS and Wii at least were different enough from each other, but 2 and U were certainly mismanaged.
@@Ray_2112 - it's already been 9 years since nsmbu
_rapidly begins to age_
laughs in dread
@@Ray_2112 unfair, you only counted remakes for Metroid and ignored Mario land two
Dear Scott,
Recently I’ve been really stressed about starting a new school year at a new school. To calm myself down I’ve been watching your videos. You’re able to provide an escape out of what I’m in right now. I don’t even have a Nintendo switch, but every time he talks about it it’s still interesting. Or the wii. Or Ride to Hell. I don’t even know what any of these things are, but you’re able to make it so entertaining. You’ve been so helpful to me these past couple of weeks.
Thank you, Scott
You’ll be fine man, I’ve moved before and I like to think I benefited from a fresh start.
Stay strong, wish you the best
I’ve been to 8 different schools and I’m only in my first year of high school rn!!! I’m sure that no matter what life throws at you, I hope that you can grab you pepto sword, put a copy of madden 08 in yours pants, and keep max Paine 3 in your backlog even longer and persevere
@@LycheeCore thank you :)
All fhe best for your new school. You'll be fine :)
A part of me feels like this entire video was made as a response to the people saying Dread isn't worth $60.
And it was a damn good one.
It isn't
@@magentawool2556dread is definitely worth full price, especially with how replayable it is.
Worth every penny, kept me entertained for weeks non-stop
@@magentawool2556 wym its an incredible game
@@magentawool2556i haven’t played and therefore can not agree or disagree. regardless, it is a shame the game wasn’t worth the price to you
10:13 the fact Scott has played castle Crashers makes me very happy
Just saying, Scott: This may be one of your best non-special videos yet.
Every video of his is
@Thi_Usi
Kinda. Special is still special, you can be special in different ways. It's like "if everyone is super - no one is" from The Incredibles. Someone can fly, someone controls ice. See what I mean?
Agreed, this one had so many banger jokes together as well as being an interesting topic well looked into as well as having a good point.
Scott episodes are always enjoyable but thing ones up there with Dick Vitale and others, legit one of my favourite review/analysis/lookat videos I've seen in a long time and even more impressive considering it's a small/normal scale episode without any gimmicks, just an on point traditional episode.
There's a certain charm to 2D gaming that you just don't get in 3D. Glad Scott's bringing more attention towards it.
Agreed!
Sorry if I come off as rude, but what exactly does that even mean?
@@lookatmynose9788 2d has a easier time conveying information to the player, stuff like character emotions and combat patterns and colors are usually more vibrant since you don't have to deal with lighting, in other words, fast paced games and beautiful sprite/pixel-art.
@@user-pq4by2rq9y what? How does 2-D better convey emotions? Both 3D and 2D both can nail emotions or bomb, neither is necessarily better than the other
@@lookatmynose9788 it means that limitations often breed creativity.
Quake 1 came out a day earlier than Mario 64 and yet Mario 64 steals the limelight for the grandfather of 3D gaming. Descent 2 also had a head start. I wonder if it was due to the 3rd person perspective of Mario 64? More open world? Quake had a hub similar to the Princess' castle. Anyway, I just find it interesting.
It might have something to do with Mario 64 selling over twice as many copies. A lot more people probably had their first true 3D experience with Mario 64, so it got the credit. Not exactly fair, but hey, that's life.
@@scottsymonds5649 that and large amounts of people seem to ignore the existence of pc games generally when talking about stuff like this
Super Mario 64 had soooo many refinements with gameplay that benefited all 3rd person 3D games, while Quake was more of a technology showcase on top of (mostly) existing FPS gameplay. And I agree that Descent was very underrated, but the 6DOF shooter genre just didn't take off.
When people talk about games, it's usually less about under-the-hood technology like Doom's BSP rendering engine, Quake's precalculated lights, and its ability to run on a 486. Instead, it's more talk about things that are immediately fun / noticeable, like the analog stick, Mario's movement, etc.
IMO it's more appropriate to give more praise to Doom for being the grandfather of FPS gaming than Quake. In fact, I personally think Doom is a much better game than Quake, a sentiment that I often see online. Not to say that Quake didn't have any gameplay refinements, but going from Doom -> Quake was a much smaller gap gameplay-wise than going from any 3rd person 3D game -> Mario 64.
I think it's a matter of influence. Quake was monumental to the PC world as SM64 was to consoles, but if you look at most 3D games today I feel like you'd have an easier time tracing Mario's DNA to them than Quake's. Most big FPS games these days are military shooters or like, battle royales were people are jumping and building and platforming, and I dunno if I feel that strong a kinship with them and Quake. CoD kinda stole the crown? But Assassin's Creed, platformers, 3D action games who were inspired by SM64's camera... sometimes you're first in, but that doesn't make you the baby's daddy, you know?
Also Descent? Really? Even the most annoying of PCMR-sheep barely remember Descent. Point me to a Descent-like produced in like the latest ten years that's NOT some obscure indie game made by a superdedicated fan and who's sold like less than 10K copies, that game lent it's DNA to NOBODY.
I mean its about impact not strictly chronology. Even if other games did 3D earlier and at times arguably better for their genre, it's undeniable how much of a benchmark M64 is and was, it and Ocarina are absolutely the games who became the standard not just qualitatively but by sheer reach.
I love how 2D has been revitalized to such an extent. There’s this creativeness to making a 2D game in recent years, how they have been polished tirelessly and now, in the right hands, it just clicks into place and you get instantly hooked in this feel-good ride that you know is gonna be special from start to finish.
Last time I had this was with Kirby Planet Robobot and I cherish that experience greatly.
Have you played Koumajou Densetsu 2?
Every single Scott video never fails to make me laugh within the first 5 seconds
Verified user = free likes
Blake
The only video I didn’t laugh at until halfway through was the mysteries of gaming. “He’s dead” always gets me.
Free likes for mr checkmark
Can you shut up
He should’ve made a joke about the love of dimensions being called “Dementia”. I don’t think he’s done that before, I’d remember if he did.
take my like and leave.
@@urmomgayŁœł
Good content my dude
He did, in 2D to 3D
@@animatedgaymer619 wooosh
I actually think the comparison of 2D and 3D games to Black & White and Color film is really interesting, because similarly to 2D games, you have B&W films released in the color era like Schindler’s List, The Man Who Wasn’t There, and Eraserhead, all of which fundamentally would not work in full color
There’s another Lynch classic you left out of this list that was also B&W: The Elephant Man
Any “beauty” in that film I feel would’ve been ruined had it been filmed in color
@@jerrysgardentractorsengine2243 Yeah completely agreed. I didn't include it because I hadn't actually seen it yet when I wrote the comment (I have since, though).
I know the Wizard of Oz uses both
13:24
It's stuff like this that makes me love Scott videos. You never know what he'll do for a skit.
"Join the ecult, dad"
My Friend Pedro is such a criminally underrated game that I feel no one talks about.
Dude fr. That game is honestly really good
It’s such a fun game to get good at, honestly
I mean playing it now I have noticed some flaws like the level design degenerating as u progress through the game but who doesn't want to play a brand new Max Payne in 2018 with stylized bullet time anyway I am hoping for a sequel coming soon since the first one ended with a weird cliff hanger like ending or even an origin game surrounding the protagonist's origins
That flash game is my childhood
Sure, it looks super slick, but I feel like gameplay like that can get stale after about fifty minutes.
The mystery man holding a gun to Scott's head has appeared so many times now I'm starting to think Scott has actually been taken hostage and this is a cry for help
This is just normal person when you choose Nintendo instead more popular Xbox or Playstation.
I was so excited for middle school but when I said “you guys wanna play Nintendo switch?” I got stabbed to death
@@animatebirds553
The /j is entirely unnecessary, you obviously haven't been stabbed to death.
@@theonlybilge your right, not sure why I felt the need to clarify
@@animatebirds553 i got stabbed to death this morning /srs
Some slowly pointing a gun at Scott’s head from off-screen is my new favorite Scott gag.
Love when Scott throws volume balance out the window.
Always love to watch a Scott the Woz before going to sleep
Verified person, i am famous
Ha ha its morning in my country *SIKE*
Im literally watching this at 11pm lol
Lol actually did the same B)
No lie, Wario Land: Shake It has, without exaggeration, the single best ending of any video game I have ever played. Amazing game, amazing animation, absolutely genius ending.
I love this game, too! It contends with the best Wario Lands the handhelds could muster. I think it's even better.
Mega man 9 superhero mode
I love that game too. Too bad I dont have it anymore, so I havent played it in like, 8 years or so. I would buy it again on the switch if they ported it so that I could play it again
@@caioleite5579 emulator
What happens
honestly the sheer volume of Scott's video examples is impressive, some of the 3d gameplay clips are only 1 second long but he still went through the work of putting that video in, damn man.
Generally speaking, 2d games have less noticeable bugs and glitches and are therefore, (again, generally speaking) more polished experiences.
I agree. My brother asked me just earlier today which I liked better between Hollow Knight and Bloodborne. I had to say Hollow Knight, because of the how much more polished it was (I absolutely love both games, tho)
well thats what happens when theres a whole another dimension of potential mistakes
"It's only those who do nothing that make no mistakes"
Well yeah, they're easier to polish because there's less to polish.
That extra axis opens up a lot more possiblity for player unpredictability to go wrong for sure.
In order for a 2d game to have as much opportunity for kinks in the system as most 3D ones it either needs to be very complex (like say Isaac) or simply not be handled with much care.
These episodes are your bread and butter and the absolute reason why I watch your channel. Thank you.
Definitely one of my favourite episodes in a while, I especially like that Moonshine joke but there's plenty of other great moments all the way through.
One of your best IMO.
On "true" 4D gaming: there's _Miegakure,_ an as-yet-unreleased game with four spatial dimensions. It's a bit of a mind-bender to work with (try imagining how a 2D creature would see us!)
Ok I just watched the trailer and that game looks so cool. I love mind-bending puzzle games.
Hey Scott, the video output rate and quality recently has been really great, and I just wanted to show my appreciation for all the work you've been putting in this year. Thanks for the great content, as always!
Why do I get the feeling that he started writing this episode because people were saying that Dread isn't worth $60?
Sounds like something he would do. Dread seems quite promising. Not sure if it will be as good as Prime 2 or Other M, though.
Mayhaps
I mean, if it's like Samus Returns, it probably isn't; Samus Returns was good but it was clearly worse than the other post-GB 2D Metroids, with the melee slowing basic combat to a crawl, and it wasn't exactly very long. I certainly would not pay 60 bucks for a game that primarily seems to be a sequel to it; I kind of regret paying 40 for it and wish I had waited a bit. Note that I have no similar regrets about, say, Fusion, a game I've played through like a dozen times and even managed to get the best ending in, as opposed to about one full playthroughs of Samus Returns and one "this game is more boring than I remember" playthrough that lasted an hour at most.
Besides, Dread only costs that much because it's a Switch game and that's the default price point for first party Switch games, not because it deserves it more; Pokemon got much worse overall from 3DS to Switch and it went from 40 to 60 , the Link's Awakening remake was a polished up GB game and it got to be 60, and going from Samus Returns to Dread seems to be the exact same thing to me, the console is the reason for it, not the genre.
@@hoodedman6579 Good news for you, they apparently took the criticisms about the melee counter slowing down combat to heart and made it much more fast-paced. You can now hit an enemy while running and don't have to wait for them to flash in order to counter. They specifically emphasized this in the marketing, so apparently they knew it was a problem.
@@kumabear5229 Did you play it?
You know what i really love about this video and Scott's comedy in general? The beautiful simplicity of the family reunion joke. You have the setup in the beginning, the reinforcement in the middle (Dad, pay attention), and the payoff at the end. Just S tier writing right there
S tier? that's a bit of a low score. Scott deserves higher
I think the revival of 2D might have also been helped by the boom of 2D flash games on the web. Developers like nitrome made some great stuff around that time
I think the best part about this video, is that Scott gave more attention to the EA NHL series then EA themselves have given that franchise is the last 8 years
Now this was definitely a “Hey All” episode.
Last week was a “Hey Ya’ll” but today was a return to the classic.
Return to 2d
David
@@zacsisolak youre not david
y'all not ya'll
H Eyal L
Scott would be a witness in court and start off by saying “Hey all, Scott here.”
Took a shot everytime he said handhelds made the 2d games feel less important and was drunk in less than 8 minutes.
Handhelds are still consoles
Im a big fan of this new "ominous hand that seems to live with scott" character
@@nickfishing And he also has a gun.
For murder.
@@exatamentegameplays9619 yeah, for fun, not for murder
“Oh, Hans!”
6:33 *Scott mentioned Secret Agent Clank -- my life is complete!*
The fact that 2D and 3D Metroid is happening on Switch is unreal! Great vid Scott
Metroid Dread looks awesome and I think Metroid Prime 4 will be awesome too! All we need now is a 2d Castlevania reboot and the switch will be the best console of all time!
Funny thing is, we still need to wait a little longer to get the 3D Metroid, and only a few more weeks/month to get 2D Metroid.
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW But they didn't start making both at the same time...actually maybe they did, but Prime 4 had to start development from scratch two years ago.
@@will_stevens "2D Castlevania reboot"
It's called Bloodstained.
@@northwindkey I know, but an official 2D Castlevania would be awesome. Not to discredit Bloodstained
God Cuphead is a masterpiece. Still waiting on that Cuphead DLC though.. Might just do another playthrough with my buddy while we're waiting!
AMEN to you.
If Bayonetta 3 can finally get released, I'm sure the Cuphead DLC will arrive someday xD
@@kumatorahaltmanndreemurr They confirmed it's coming on June 30th, 2022.
Scott never misses. Laugh out loud at every one of this mans videos. Comedic genius.
16:22 Audio representation of Scott describing the amount of problems that he has with Chibi-Robo! Zip Lash
Christopher moment
Moon moment
🍐
13:25 Super Mario 64? Now that’s something I can worship!
I remember my first genuine reaction to Super Mario 64, being one of not really ready for the transition to 3D, as I wanted more 2D Mario, lol.
Then for a while, it really felt like 3D dominated, and I was surprised and pretty happy to see 2D return from the indie scene, and then from everyone else.
At first I felt the 2D revival was fuelled by mainly nostalgia, but there were a lot of titles that felt new and fresh, and it's good to see it's here to stay.
This quality, this often is the youth. Avgn used to pump them out weekly too. Enjoy Scott. Enjoy him. They're putting an insane amount of work into this entertainment. Never take it for granted.
I took him for granted until he spent like 3 months without doing anything and then he came back
Scott talking about dimensions is the best thing that has happened to me this week
You haven't even seen the video lol
you haven't even watched that far into the video stop lying
@@RandomnessMusician you haven't either
@@crittercrawler27 he didn't make that claim though
maybe hes watching in 7x speed thats 3 minutes xd
I love how one of Scott’s points in this video is that he WANTS to be charged more for 2D games
I don't; games don't need to cost more.
Yeah kinda short-sighted
I mean I get his point, Mania is 20 dollars and a love letter to the series that gets platforming right while Forces is double the price and is infinitley worse in every way below mediocrity.
For christ sakes Hollow Knight is 15 while Fifa is 60/70, I'd say Mania and HK are more than worthy to be at least 30 and should be slightly more Liberal/confident with their pricing while we should make it so new 3D games aren't automatically expensive.
We need pricing to be more accurate to value to some form of extent, I'm not going to complain games like Terraria are 10 bucks but it's certainly an overly generous price.
He wants 2D and 3D games to be priced equal. They technically could also lower the prices of 3D games to the level of 2D games.
...
Not that any publisher would ever do that, so yeah, leaving only the other possibility.
@@hoodedman6579 console problems eh?
I remember reading a 2003 Nintendo Power issue where they covered Viewtiful Joe for GameCube. The preview hyped up how it was a 2D game on the console. I feel that was the primordial return to roots before we started getting New Super Mario Bros. and 2D gaming on consoles.
This was a very elaborate way of telling us to buy Metroid Dread 😋
And I have no problems with this whatsoever.
I see no problems with this
@@kumabear5229 I'm so jealous that you get to play BotW for the first time..... you better have fun, or else.
2:50 thank you for giving the 7 active klonoa fans a moment of bliss.
"The Graphics look too old! I want NEW NEW NEW!"
God I hate people like that. People held that opinion that 2d sprites shouldn't exist back then, and still today. WHY? Why do people hate sprites so much?
The irony is that people lament the death of 2D animated films, but for video games it's somehow different. Admittedly, 2D animated films have perspective and varying camera angles, whereas 2D games don't, or at least are limited in that regard. But just because it's more technically impressive doesn't mean it looks better.
The best looking Metroid titles are Fusion and Zero Mission. Shake It might be the best looking 2d game Nintendo has put out yet, although I think indies have definitely overtaken it - Hollow Knight in particular although I know some would pick Cuphead instead. I just fundamentally seem to prefer the aesthetics of high bit sprites to polygons all things being equal - And I say this as someone who likes the art style of Link's Awakening... I'd still prefer if it were 2d graphics.
...At least it looks like they're doing something a bit cinematic with Dread from the trailers in how they're transitioning between cutscenes and gameplay, but... Gods imagine Fusion in HD rather than 240x160 with modern 2d graphics rather than 32 bit ones and how gorgeous Nightmare's melting face would look like that...
It's elitism and snobbery, really. Same reason people say combustion engines are archaic and blah blah. In the latter case, the environment is just a convenient excuse to act like they're smarter and more forward-thinking than you.
It's something they really try to hammer into you in college; acting "smart."
@@kumabear5229 I came to that gen relatively late meaning I played the PS1 FF games out of order. I can't say for the actual release, but Final Fantasy 7's graphics - especially the character models used outside of battles - had not aged well by the release of Final Fantasy 9.
Generally, though, 3d stuff that's more heavily stylized - Paper Mario, The Windwaker, Jet Set Radio/Future, Gregory Horror Show - aged better graphically than stuff that was less heavily stylized.
@@andytheawesome7592 perfect take on the matter, bro. i think we should be more open towards stylized visuals are creative values in the industry.
As a massive computer games fan it’s so amazing to see the huge variety of games here. Thank you Scott
This is interesting and something I've noticed that carries on today.
Something I've noticed is the social aspect updates have had on gamers.
Now if your game can be updated, people expect more content out of games. Which indirectly makes developers hold content from release to fluff out the life span of the game.
Shooters probably have this the worst
@Matthew Roedl Fortnite's also a free game so that excuses most of it.
yeah @Matthew Roedl in fairness, I’m glad they’re not still keeping to the chapter 1 release schedule of a new item and map updates every week as the employees were reportedly pretty overworked
Yeah. I miss the days when consoles didn't connect to the internet and you got a complete game.
Remember when Nintendo released one 2D platformer game for the GameCube and then had a complete change of heart and released at least half a dozen 2D platformers for Wii and then continued to do it for Wii U and Switch? Those were certainly times.
By the way, that one 2D platformer Nintendo made for GameCube was Donkey Kong Jungle Beat if anyone didn’t know... I guess a big monkey playing bongos was the best Nintendo could do for the time.
Well of course it's monkey
But for real amazing rhythm-combo-based 2D platformer. Yes that's a genre now and Jungle Beat is the king
@@MrDiana1706 Yeah, Jungle Beat was actually really good! It’s one of the most creative games for GameCube and that’s really saying something when you realize the GameCube was already full of amazingly creative games!
@@nickk3077 Indeed. You just made me realise I forgot the bongos! Which from what I've seen worked pretty damn well. I really gotta get my hands in the GC version of the game, slapping bongos seems way better than waggling the Wiimote and nunchuk like no tomorrow, *_specially in the boss rush_*
@@MrDiana1706
I remember seeing the bongos every now and then here and there. I wonder if I should have got them why I had the chance?! oh well.
Scott: "What is this - moonshine or porn?"
XXX Jug: "Yes."
It does have a hole. Just saying.
@@andrewt6338 Aw yeah, HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE...
@@andrewt6338 “Anything with a hole can be sexy.”
@@quicklyform5162 I… can’t remember. Could’ve been me, could’ve been my friend, could’ve been Scott. I have no recollection of who said that.
@@Atellas they need to be arrested immediately
my two favorite games of all time are Undertale and Celeste, 2D games. Sonic Mania was an incredible experience and Hollow Knight is sure to be one once i get back to playing. modern 2D gaming is so good, man
Undertale is amazing and I kept debating on whether or not to get Celeste I don't know if I want to yet
@@Fan-imator its a really hard game but if youre dedicated to learning the mechanics the story is totally worth it
@@Hutch2Much yeah I’m gonna consider it I was a huge fan of Hollow Knight
This summer, Celeste mods and SMM2 are going to meet a new competitor: Geometry Dash 2.2 Platformer Mode
Ahh yes, 2D gaming truly hit its peak at Chibi-Robo! Zip Lash.
You're definitely a lock for the TH-cam Hall Of Fame!
Crazy to see how far your channel has come along 🤯
Metroid Dread $60. It will definitely deliver what it's worth. Something we waited for, finally can dive into the next chapter in the series.
2D lives on
"It will definitely deliver what it's worth"
Blind faith in a product is bad thing; there is every possibility that it's bad. I don't think it will be bad, but there's no "definitely" about it.
Yeah. I'm sure it will be good, but where's Blockbuster when you need it
@@hoodedman6579 yeah, it's still a toss up if it'll be good or not. I wish it's good but that's not a guarantee
@@hoodedman6579 as a long time fan, it will deliver something amazing. MercurySteam = Samus Returns, they will take Dread to another level.
Blind faith. Really. Believe what you want. I feel that Dread will be awesome.
@@kadosho02 Not only just them being behind SR, but Mercury also being a developer that gets consistently better and better and has a knack for taking criticism very well. I had a lot of issues with SR, and the Dread trailers have already shown them all being remedied.
Genuinely the most thoughtful gaming channel out there. Scott you rock!
Gotta say this is my new favorite “info” type video Scott’s done!
It is a crime that Carrion wasn't even in a clip on this video. Amazing 2D game that definitely deserves its place among these giants.
"the 2D games just feel like Spin-offs"
Kingdom Hearts: Yeah not here
heavily underrated comment
@MR.CLAW97 this loser doesn’t have the all in one collection lol
@@buckybell7055 This loser bought a huge collection to understand the plot of one game.
@@luisisthenamelitn6978 Watching the games...I think the only complicated one is maybe Kingdom Hearts 3 because of the many side-games that already being made after 2 and felt 2 can have some questions but seemingly fine enough.
There's nothing wrong with finding your own stopping point with Kingdom Hearts. Some people feel like 1 was the end. 2 was the end. Personally, for me, 3 is the end. I have played and thoroughly enjoyed every game from the start until now and I know where the series is headed. Whatever comes next cant keep me invested.
The old outro hits so different man
9:07 foreshadowing
Modern triple A games have moved past 2D. Take NieR: Automata for example. It has 2B, 9S, A2...
Had me in the first half.
(is Automata technically AA though?)
@@_-Lx-_ eh I don't think so. PlatinumGames is an established developer, and they were getting published by Squeenix. It's definitely on the low end of AAA as far as budgets go but I think it's above AA.
A2 is technically before 2D so it’s worse.
man, i love scott and his humor. I have been binge watching his videos for days
the chair part had me spit out my water
Take a shot every time Scott says “2D is for the handheld”
If you count only this specific phrase, it's only like 4
If you count all the variations... time for a overdose
Take a shot every time Scott says “and another”
Or take a shot every time he calls not 2d games, 2d, you'll die
The fall of 2d is from that one time Scott dropped his glasses and had to use some random 3d glasses he had as a replacement for a few years until he could save up to buy new glasses
Cutscenes aren't fluff. I don't understand people's vendetta against cutscenes. They're respite from the gameplay, they're an opportunity to tether you to the story and characters, it's an opportunity to bring focus on the story and characters by developing them in the spotlight, it's an opportunity to do interesting things that can't be done in gameplay, and much much more. If you played the game already sure by all means skip em you've seen em before they've done their job but don't sit there and disrespectful them the first time through.
You see you'd be making a point if those games didn't had constant cutscenes for every 10 minutes of gameplay
idk man the fifth time i had to watch the cutscene of sonic riding the eggmobile to the death egg i was getting kinda annoyed
Honestly, yeah, that's how I feel. I think the rule should be that you give all cutscenes a fair shake at least the first time through a game. And hell, depending on the game, you might be GLAD you ended up at a cutscene so your stress is temporarily alleviated.
@@arielglr7177 I get it. Your not big on games that emphasize story, no shame in that. But don't knock those that do. And gratuitous cuts scenes are not a new thing anyway, I recently played Metal Gear Solid for the first time, and as someone who loves Sony's AAA games, MGS nearly broke me and that game is over 20 years old. Different strokes, for different folks.
@@TyphonJRT Oh come on, those cutscenes are great though, and the voice acting, ESPECIALLY for the time, is atmospheric in quality
Came back to this the day after Metroid: Dread came out. And you're right. 2D is just action, and it's beautiful
4:42 Putting the GCN on top of PS2. The shade 😂
Coming back to this video just after Mario Wonder started getting acclaim across the boards with many 9s and 10s...while at the same time so many are arguing against buying the game because it's not worth 60 bucks.
It is worth the 60 bucks
As someone who's shooting a movie for my rock band in black and white (except for a few short animated color sequences), this is definitely relatable. While most major studios stopped shooting films in black and white by 1966 (unless done for artistic reasons), the absence of color has it's advantages and since the late 90's, it seems like a lot of indie filmmakers are shooting films as such for similar reasons as me.
0:48 We actually do have a fourth dimension in gaming! Games like 4D miner, Miegakure, Hyper (2001) and that one 4D golf game are in true 4D. Granted, Miegakure and the golf game are in development, and 4D miner is in early access, they’re still there.
16:20 Something tells me this is going to be the perfect meme template.
20:22 I cannot express enough how much I agree with this point.
Love the point you make in this video. I was listening to a podcast earlier today where the host said Metroid Dread looks "cheap" because it's 2.5D. I'm just like... How???
@@scarffoxandfriends9401 Sorry, I meant Dread. I'll change it in my above comment.
I think 2.5D can often look cheap, though not always. Although 3D games are typically harder to program due to all the clipping issues, hitboxes, weird camera angles, model loading, and such, 3D graphics are easier than 2D, as rigging and animating a model is easier than manually drawing a frame-by-frame animation for every move, every enemy, every NPC. It's part of the reason Ori has hand-drawn 2D backgrounds (which are static) but 3D character models; it's cheaper. So by making a 2D game with 3D models, it can feel cheap, in a way.
Now, Metroid Dread doesn't feel cheap at all in my opinion. The sheer amount of detail put into the environments and animations, and the inclusion of full 3D cutscenes makes it feel justified using 3D graphics. But for a game like New Super Mario Bros. Wii, it just feels cheap compared to, say, Yoshi's Island, where 2D sprites were all hand-drawn and fit in with the backgrounds, all with a crayon-like art style.
I still very much have a love of pure 2D games, though. One of the best games I've played visually is Hyper Light Drifter, which has no 3D graphics whatsoever. It uses a pixel art style, but it doesn't feel cheap like a lot of indie games that do. It has some of the most amazing animations I've ever seen. The minimalist art style, the atmosphere in the environments, and the fact that it still uses advanced graphical effects give it a very distinctive visual feel, which isn't just imitating the style of a SNES/Genesis game like so many cheap pixel art indie games.
3D graphics, models and whatnot, are cheaper to make than 2D graphics, simple as that; as a result, many 2.5D games look like they were made that way to avoid having to pay more for 2D graphics, which means that they look like crap because they're just taking the cheaper option to be cheap, and something doing that isn't going to take the time to make the style actually look good. This results in games like Mighty No. 9, which had great looking concept art but ultimately looked bad, though the decision to have voice acting combined with no facial movement exacerbated this. I primarily associate 2.5D with these kinds of games, so I tend to wary of the style as a whole; that being said, I thought Dread looked fine.
Living thru this was torture, once Nintendo realized that 2D platformers still had huge drawing power (like around the Wii U) is when things got better.