I'm actually trying a new way to practice these kind of jungle beat grooves. What I'm doing now is playing rudiments that are usually played by the hands between my left hand and my feet while keeping 8th notes on the hi hat
Which is pretty much the underlying teaching of the New Breed book. It has all these crazy sticking that you learn but always in reference to your other limbs doing "basic" grooves. like 4 on the floor 8 on the hi hat or 2 on the snare, then musical chairs on the kit and do 8s on the snare and then the kick then cymbal, and then add in another deceivingly simple pattern and work it around and things get real crazy real fast.
Guitar player here, one thing you really have to stick with in order to get faster and get those beats sounding great, is to practice slow and by slow i mean dead slow. Keep going 💪
@@varethika It just think it comes across as really condescending when you start with "Guitar player here" and then proceed to talk about a really, really, really basic concept. That's all.
Yoooo, I took the triple paradiddle to the shed today. I’ve been heavily reliant on the gadd 32nd note flutter thing with lots of inverted doubles for a few years. The triple paradidle in the same feel as 32nd fluttery stuff was a killer plateau buster for me. I’m gonna teach my teacher that one in my lesson Saturday. Just subbed. Killer video, dawg.
man this is SO GOOD I cannot even explain what you did different here to teach. I searched a lot of rudiment videos to emulate this type of grooves, but even the other ones that teach beat by beat didnt entered in my head like this one. I cant understand or explain what difference this video has but thanks a lot. Definitely going to get the book too when I get my payment this month
As far as I know this style of drumming started with Steve Gadd. If you check out his "Up Close" instructional video from the 80s, you can her the origins of this style in his playing.
while that was similar sounding, this particular style originates with electronic music, with sped-up and chopped beats from 90s jungle and drum n bass
I saw Gary Novak and some of the gospel guy’s doing this stuff before Jojo advanced it and made it popular and they are adamant about getting it from Gadd who he himself got it from an Idris Muhammad idea. I learned how to do it from messing around with Damion Reid’s pattern on River Glasper’s FTB.😅😅😅
Man... This is great. I'm not a drummer but these are some of me of my favourite drummers and I always wanted to understand what on earth was going on here. And you're from SA too 🙏
Not giving the Black Church and Chris Daddy Dave His recognition for being the Hummble ... innovator of this style for Ya'll other's to copy and feel like You can be in Your ego from what Chris Daddy Dave brought into the Music through his Heart and Soul!!!!!!
How do i practice playing 32nd note grooves to begin with? Playing 32nd notes are hard to get down and i can't imagine it being a constant buzz roll right?
You gotta start reaaaally slow. Get your muscle memory up and then slowly increase as you go. The notation can look quite overwhelming, so it’s better to start with basic patterns and then speed up. For example, use the basic pattern I showed in Groove 1. Just play that slow and speed up until it sounds like a quick groove
It's just 8 notes per beat. The specific type of subdivision doesn't really matter because they are technically the same thing. You can play 8th notes as 16th if you think of it in cut time. You can try doing sixteenth notes with a metronome and think of every 2 clicks as 1 quarter note, which would mean every click is an 8th note. Or just set the metronome to 32nd notes and a really slow tempo 40-50. It's all the same just depends how you want to count it
Now you are ready to annoy your dear mixing engineer and bandmates! "-drummer, play a straight groove please- fills everything with ghost notes -mnn, did you know about that time Garibaldi didn't got the gig, right? and why!" lol
It's a certain style of playing for certain situations. It's also why Yussef Dayes, JD Beck, and Louis Cole DID get their gigs. People sometimes want to listen to that sort of thing :) Garibaldi plays in funk bands, so obviously this would sound like overplaying most of the time. You have to zoom out and see things from a wider perspective. Quick 32nd note grooves aren't something that everyone likes, though! You'd definitely get fired for doing them on most gigs haha.
Fills are different from grooves. The term linear refers to when you don't play two things at the same time. You could do linear 32nd note grooves, but they don't all have to be linear.
And to add to that, I truly believe that the rudiment concept in drum education is a little over complicated. Although the one thing I can understand is to remember each one so you can practice them effectively, it may be important to name all the different combos. However I feel like there are essentially 4 rudiments - single stroke, diddles (doubles), flams and drags. Every thing else is some combination of those 4 things, with maybe a few exceptions
@@WardenOnDrums100%. Add to that different subdivisions, swing and straight, and that’s everything simplified. I think the reason we all expand on it so much is that it’s sometimes easier to learn through different examples. Like playing scrabble. It’s a lot easier to create a word with 8 letters than with 5, even though it’s possible that those 5 letters could make more words than the 8. I don’t know if that makes sense haha
@@brettclurdrumsyeah man it totally does. I get what you’re saying. That’s what I mean by maybe it just helps some people to learn by naming these different cellular combos as individual things to practice, and then you put it all together. I suppose that’s kinda how I learned, so it can work I think too
Yup! Rudiments played in a 32nd note subdivision to create a busy groove. Minus the last example I showed, so doesn’t always have to be strict rudiments.
Thanks for watching! Yeah it's not something for everyone. If you notice the examples I put in the beginning with Yussef Dayes and JD Beck, the music they're playing to is very sustained and open, so there's space for all those notes from the drums. This kind of thing would just sound like overplaying if the other instruments were doing more.
Did you watch the video? It’s mostly breaking down a concept, not mentioning specific drummers. Billy Cobham is definitely a drummer to check out for epic 32nd note grooves, though!
Not entirely true. You could memorise the specific examples I mentioned. But you could also switch between singles, inverted doubles, and triple paradiddles to create some cool grooves. You'd just need to keep a backbeat on the snare drum going to solidify it. Improvising your own patterns is how you create your own voice and sound unique :)
@@brettclurdrums Agreed but i dont know how one can go and play a 32nd note groove that have never practiced while keeping a backbeat. A 16th note groove can be improvised but a 32nd is very difficult to play on the fly.
@@matenorth People who have never practiced probably don't play those things lol. It definitely requires diligent practice to internalize such fast grooves, let alone becoming comfortable enough with them to improvise.
JD Beck's whole thing is improvising in this style. Check him out! Certain grooves and stickings need to be memorized for sure, but they're meant to be used as building blocks to create something different every time
Thanks for the content, however i must confess these grooves and concepts don't sound nearly as cool to me as they seem to sound to you. Cheers anyway mate
Nothing wrong with that! The cool thing about music is how diverse it is. Not everyone will like the same things. Also, these types of grooves will never beat the sound of a tight 2 and 4 funk groove haha
These three have been my favorite drummers for a few years now, so thanks for this. I saw JD Beck and Domi last year and was just blown away
I'm actually trying a new way to practice these kind of jungle beat grooves. What I'm doing now is playing rudiments that are usually played by the hands between my left hand and my feet while keeping 8th notes on the hi hat
Yeah man! Rudiments are the key to everything haha
You’d really like the drum groove in Vitamin-C by Can
Which is pretty much the underlying teaching of the New Breed book. It has all these crazy sticking that you learn but always in reference to your other limbs doing "basic" grooves. like 4 on the floor 8 on the hi hat or 2 on the snare, then musical chairs on the kit and do 8s on the snare and then the kick then cymbal, and then add in another deceivingly simple pattern and work it around and things get real crazy real fast.
you simplify it so nicely brother...im feeling comfortable to learn it. thanks a lot
Glad to hear. Thanks for watching!
Danke!
Guitar player here, one thing you really have to stick with in order to get faster and get those beats sounding great, is to practice slow and by slow i mean dead slow.
Keep going 💪
100%
Gotta practice slow to sound good when you play fast👌🏻
Agreed! my drum teacher always told me "if you can play it slow, you can play it fast"
Wow thank god we have a guitar player here to impart this secret wisdom on us clueless drummers
@@Howitchewstofeel5gum who ate your cookie anyway? I'm a guitarist but a beginner on drums, that's why I suggested to take it slow, love and respect.
@@varethika It just think it comes across as really condescending when you start with "Guitar player here" and then proceed to talk about a really, really, really basic concept. That's all.
Dude thank you! Been practicing those for a little while, and it's awesome
Yoooo, I took the triple paradiddle to the shed today. I’ve been heavily reliant on the gadd 32nd note flutter thing with lots of inverted doubles for a few years. The triple paradidle in the same feel as 32nd fluttery stuff was a killer plateau buster for me. I’m gonna teach my teacher that one in my lesson Saturday. Just subbed. Killer video, dawg.
Epic dude! Thanks for subscribing :)
man this is SO GOOD I cannot even explain what you did different here to teach. I searched a lot of rudiment videos to emulate this type of grooves, but even the other ones that teach beat by beat didnt entered in my head like this one. I cant understand or explain what difference this video has but thanks a lot. Definitely going to get the book too when I get my payment this month
Thank you SO much for those kind words, man!
very nice snare sound
thanks!
As far as I know this style of drumming started with Steve Gadd. If you check out his "Up Close" instructional video from the 80s, you can her the origins of this style in his playing.
while that was similar sounding, this particular style originates with electronic music, with sped-up and chopped beats from 90s jungle and drum n bass
I think JoJo Mayer is the first to ever do it on a real kit
I saw Gary Novak and some of the gospel guy’s doing this stuff before Jojo advanced it and made it popular and they are adamant about getting it from Gadd who he himself got it from an Idris Muhammad idea. I learned how to do it from messing around with Damion Reid’s pattern on River Glasper’s FTB.😅😅😅
I like the way you break down relatively complex patterns into easy-to-digest practical segments. I gladly subscribe 😊
Thank you!
Man... This is great. I'm not a drummer but these are some of me of my favourite drummers and I always wanted to understand what on earth was going on here.
And you're from SA too 🙏
Thanks for watching, man! Yeah the SA accent comes out strong haha
Thank you so much for this, makes it easy to understand 🥁 🔥
Thanks for watching!
this was an excellent breakdown thank you!!
Thanks for watching :)
Absolutely fantastic video dude. Cheers, from California!
Thanks, brother!
Dude I’ve been trying to understand what the hell this was, thank you for sharing!
Epic, man! Thanks for watching
Gonna try this when I got the time. This was good lesson and definetly subscribed!
Thanks for watching!
Para diddle diddle and it's inversions, R hand hi hat L hand snare drum, then use dynamics ie ghost unaccounted notes
Nice lesson thank you!
Thanks for watching :)
brilliant. Thanks you for this!
Thanks so much for watching!
Hi I have just discovered your channel, love it & Subbed right away.
Thanks!
Helped a lot , thank you 🔥
thanks for watching!
Guys, tell me please, who is the drummer at 0:09?
JD Beck
Great video!
Thanks!
Interesting video! I’ll definitely give that a go…
Good luck!
legend! Was so helpful!
Thanks for watching :)
Nice break down dude 👍
Thanks!
Thanks really useful!
Thanks!
BROOOOOOOOOOO!!! You know what.... SUBSCRIBED
Awesome stuff to practice ! Thanks man. I've been practicing beats like this for a while now
Epic!
Thanks for the content
Thank YOU for watching! Hope you got something to take away from it.
hi whos the third example on the intro??? it sounds so good
Yussef Dayes. Highly recommend checking him out! One of my favorite drummers.
@@brettclurdrums tyy
Can you tell me what the song is that yussef days played at 0:14?
Strings of Light - Yussef Kamaal
That's so cool, thanks👍🏼👍🏼
The formula is practice practice practice.yup💥💥💣
for sure!
Phil Maturano is the king of 32 note grooves!!! 🔥🥁🎶
And FRANK KATZ!!!!
Does anyone know who this drummer is 0:14?
Yussef Dayes. You gotta check him out. Suuuuch a great player.
Guys who is on 0:14 and what the name of song?
Nice one Brett
Try doing Purdue shuffle then do it in double time
I like those beats in a blast style
haha yeah, man!
Not giving the Black Church and Chris Daddy Dave His recognition for being the Hummble ... innovator of this style for Ya'll other's to copy and feel like You can be in Your ego from what Chris Daddy Dave brought into the Music through his Heart and Soul!!!!!!
Steve Gadd started this nice stuff
such great videos!! subscribed
Thank you!
This is a great video
What kind of hats do you use ?
Meinl 15" Byzance Traditionals. Epic cymbals!
Awesome tutorial
Thanks!
How is the name of the first Drummer that play open handed?
Awesome video :)
Thanks!
How do i practice playing 32nd note grooves to begin with? Playing 32nd notes are hard to get down and i can't imagine it being a constant buzz roll right?
You gotta start reaaaally slow. Get your muscle memory up and then slowly increase as you go.
The notation can look quite overwhelming, so it’s better to start with basic patterns and then speed up.
For example, use the basic pattern I showed in Groove 1. Just play that slow and speed up until it sounds like a quick groove
It's just 8 notes per beat. The specific type of subdivision doesn't really matter because they are technically the same thing. You can play 8th notes as 16th if you think of it in cut time. You can try doing sixteenth notes with a metronome and think of every 2 clicks as 1 quarter note, which would mean every click is an 8th note. Or just set the metronome to 32nd notes and a really slow tempo 40-50. It's all the same just depends how you want to count it
What would you call these types of drummers tho like mike mitchell justin tyson and jd beck masion guidry
Those guys are heavy into jazz and fusion type vibes.
@brettclurdrums can you do a vid on how to become that type of drummer? Or what type of school to get into to be one please?
Johnny rabb + Jojo Mayer got some techniques for you.
yooo Johnny Rabb is super underrated! Haven't seen people talking about him in years. Such a great player
@@brettclurdrums he's Mr Precision
Just make a vid on how to play like Deantoni Parks
Jojo Mayer started it all
Steve Gadd did
Now you are ready to annoy your dear mixing engineer and bandmates! "-drummer, play a straight groove please- fills everything with ghost notes -mnn, did you know about that time Garibaldi didn't got the gig, right? and why!" lol
It's a certain style of playing for certain situations. It's also why Yussef Dayes, JD Beck, and Louis Cole DID get their gigs. People sometimes want to listen to that sort of thing :)
Garibaldi plays in funk bands, so obviously this would sound like overplaying most of the time.
You have to zoom out and see things from a wider perspective. Quick 32nd note grooves aren't something that everyone likes, though! You'd definitely get fired for doing them on most gigs haha.
to be fair, cole created his own gig @@brettclurdrums
That's true!@@hazardeur
Paradiddles.
Aren't they called Linear fills?
Fills are different from grooves. The term linear refers to when you don't play two things at the same time. You could do linear 32nd note grooves, but they don't all have to be linear.
Rudiments my g. Rudiments
And to add to that, I truly believe that the rudiment concept in drum education is a little over complicated. Although the one thing I can understand is to remember each one so you can practice them effectively, it may be important to name all the different combos. However I feel like there are essentially 4 rudiments - single stroke, diddles (doubles), flams and drags. Every thing else is some combination of those 4 things, with maybe a few exceptions
@@WardenOnDrums100%. Add to that different subdivisions, swing and straight, and that’s everything simplified.
I think the reason we all expand on it so much is that it’s sometimes easier to learn through different examples.
Like playing scrabble. It’s a lot easier to create a word with 8 letters than with 5, even though it’s possible that those 5 letters could make more words than the 8.
I don’t know if that makes sense haha
@@brettclurdrumsyeah man it totally does. I get what you’re saying. That’s what I mean by maybe it just helps some people to learn by naming these different cellular combos as individual things to practice, and then you put it all together. I suppose that’s kinda how I learned, so it can work I think too
Nniicee
Thanks!
It’s just grooving and accenting rolls with your hands on different instruments
much of it sounds like a nervous tick -guess we can't all keep playing the same Tony Williams licks for ever gotta evolve
This is called rudiments.
Yup! Rudiments played in a 32nd note subdivision to create a busy groove.
Minus the last example I showed, so doesn’t always have to be strict rudiments.
Good video man, I just think this style of playing is obnoxious. If hearing a stroke were possible.
Thanks for watching!
Yeah it's not something for everyone. If you notice the examples I put in the beginning with Yussef Dayes and JD Beck, the music they're playing to is very sustained and open, so there's space for all those notes from the drums.
This kind of thing would just sound like overplaying if the other instruments were doing more.
Just bounce your stick. 🤭
Hhmmmmm, not one mention of Billy Cobham--why?
Did you watch the video? It’s mostly breaking down a concept, not mentioning specific drummers.
Billy Cobham is definitely a drummer to check out for epic 32nd note grooves, though!
@@brettclurdrums Thank you for the explanation.
Hit bot hat with less dom hand while in between hit snare
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Forgive english lack
of skill languages
The problem with those is you cannot inprovise. They are sort of canned. They have to be memorized.
Not entirely true. You could memorise the specific examples I mentioned.
But you could also switch between singles, inverted doubles, and triple paradiddles to create some cool grooves. You'd just need to keep a backbeat on the snare drum going to solidify it.
Improvising your own patterns is how you create your own voice and sound unique :)
@@brettclurdrums Agreed but i dont know how one can go and play a 32nd note groove that have never practiced while keeping a backbeat. A 16th note groove can be improvised but a 32nd is very difficult to play on the fly.
@@matenorth People who have never practiced probably don't play those things lol. It definitely requires diligent practice to internalize such fast grooves, let alone becoming comfortable enough with them to improvise.
to be honest, if you can't do that with at least a few rudiments, you didn't practice your rudiments well enough@@matenorth
JD Beck's whole thing is improvising in this style. Check him out!
Certain grooves and stickings need to be memorized for sure, but they're meant to be used as building blocks to create something different every time
Thanks for the content, however i must confess these grooves and concepts don't sound nearly as cool to me as they seem to sound to you. Cheers anyway mate
Nothing wrong with that! The cool thing about music is how diverse it is. Not everyone will like the same things. Also, these types of grooves will never beat the sound of a tight 2 and 4 funk groove haha