CANT BELEIVE THE IGNORANCE I AM SEEING IN THE COMMENTS OMG,BLACK people through affirmative action HELPED all people of color especially IMMIGRANTS to get OPPURTUNITIES civil rights in the US ( even tho there is MASSIVE racism against all people of color esp black people and black women . I indians in the US should be MASSIVELY grateful to them .Black people esp black women have faced slavery and toxic oppression for CENTURIES and still do .We saw how George Flloyd was killed in the open .White american far right supremacists HATE affirmative action
As someone who has studied in the US, I know plagiarism is a very serious offense. Many indian students fall into this trap in their first year of studies as they are not familiar with the rules. I personally know people who copied a line or two from the internet without attribution, the colleges use a tool to find out if the work is original. If it’s not they put them on probation for first offense, fail them for second offense and expel them for 3rd offense. The people I know unwittingly paid a heavy price. This professor plagiarized some 60 times. It doesn’t matter if the person who originally wrote it doesn’t mind - it’s still an offense. For that alone she deserved to go - if she didn’t, then Harvard would have no leg to stand on to enforce their existing plagiarism rules on students. Regarding DEI. this professor only had 11 publications - no books. 11 publications is generally not enough to get a tenured role as an assistant professor even in low ranked colleges. I know people who publish these many papers in just 1 or 2 years during graduate studies and still fail to get coveted jobs - that’s how strong the competition is. Given that, it’s very fair to say she didn’t get this job based on merit. In summary: This is a consequence of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion becoming more important than Distinction, Excellence and Integrity.
If you are from the same field as Gay, I could repose more faith in your conclusions. I agree with you on most points. Having said that, I'm not sure the number of publications alone is the right metric. Because she did win Best Thesis awards for both her PhD and an undergrad degree, from Stanford and Harvard I think. The quality of her publications , if you measure by the number of citations can also be very subjective. E.g. in certain areas of Math, one breakthrough journal paper alone is enough to defend a PhD thesis, while in some applied areas people publish 20 papers each year. I don't know whether her awards are for all of PhD theses, or all of social sciences etc. or what. I don't know whether you are from the same field as Claudine Gay, and I'm not from that field either.
The majority have given themselves reservation, it will never go in a democracy. It will only increase. The "general category" should think about their children and immigrate. Many countries facing population decline are open. Take advantage of this opening.
@@mayanksingh0044 No one wants to make anyone’s life a hell. My comment was directed at the person who wanted to leave the country. Those who can’t leave are free to live their lives. Only don’t crib about reservation policy.
It will be good if Shekhar Gupta remember that when Mohammed Azarudeen was banned from cricket because of betting he also raised the claim that it was because he was a Muslim. To seek safety in religion and race for misdemeanours is the last resort of a scoundrel.
You mean the Rajiv Malhotra who was talking about investment for next life after rebirth ? Ya he talks about LOOT of things.. India has a lot of frauds , does not matter they should be taken seriously. 😆🤣🤣🤣 Your mention of Jews and Hindus is laughable because most of Israelis consider brown Hindus inferior. That is in their ideology.
The left 'liberal' gang had tried using the plagiarism to discredit RM and his writings. (didn't they do the same thing to Vikram Sampath too?) It's one of the weapons against people who intellectually challenge their hegemony. It kind of funny that Claudine Gay now got the taste of their own medicine.
And guess what Indian billionaires are funding those same institutions who push anti India anti Hindu agenda enmass. TATA, Birla, Ambani, Piramal, Mahindra, etc.
@@StratumPress Honesty is a value shared by conservatives and liberals. It is an Enlightenment value. Claudine Gay is not a liberal. She's a Marxist leftist. They don't value truth or honesty. (They say so themselves.)They are very much "by any means necessary." That's why she thinks it's ok to steal other people's work. You and I are on the same side of this. Calling this a win for conservatives just plays into hands of the woke/Marxist left. They want us to squabble with each other, while they go on with their "long march through the institutions." (Per Gramsci) So, why be hostile? Everyone should agree that plagiarism is bad. And that the president of a university should exemplify the highest standards.
@@StratumPressOh no, poor blac women cannot even defend calls for genocide of Jews by bringing context dependent excuse. Imagine replacing the word 'Jews' with 'Black's' and then see them cry victim for next 5 decades 😂
A good recall. I wonder why give a seemingly clean chit to Ms Gay. I sat through the congress deposition live On TV. It is abundantly clear from the deposition that all three Presidents, did not admit that call for genocide is abhor able even though it was evident they were aware. She also said that the words become abhor able only when it turns to action. On this when Gay was asked if she will take notice only on occurrence of genocide or words to that effect, she floundered and still did not condemn the call for genocide. She was abundantly aware of what she was saying I watched it, all,of it. Tailpiece: Now Ms Gay is just trying to redeem something out of it all, by the left - right and other such arguments. Let us not fall for it. Unfortunately we carry and profess wrong aspects of liberalism which is not good for liberalism. Just saying.
Absolutely shocking testimony by all three. As leaders of such prestigious institutions, they are expected to demonstrate better grasp of values, justice and balance and be articulate about it. The testimonies were infact a testimony to the power of your donors and we who those big donors are
they are part of the cabal that supports islam without know what islam is and what islamists are. Their motto is total annihilation of those who do not believe in their cult's philosophy.@@ManuSehgal10
Universities should refrain from becoming a tool for politicians. And any professor or student who wants to do politics on university campus, should vacate their seat and become full time politician. Let people who are only interested in academics take the seat.
@@SPrabhakarproblem with nowadays universities is that it is completely disconnected with indian society; and revolutions these students try is inspired by soviet era communism which today is irrelevant.
I mean, she should not have been hired at Harvard in the first place as a faculty; then, she should not have been tenured in the second place--with 11 publications, for God's Sake.
@@thejoker220 For getting the job, certainly a book and articles and for tenure quite really a seminal ground breaking work, that would define a field of study.
@@ut2104 Universities should isolate Humanities from STEM as as the pseudo science and crypto political disciplines are ruining the reputation of the entire universities which is hard earned mostly by the STEM disciplines .
Thank you for clarifying that her academic credentials were not what got her the job in first place, I was very disappointed in Sandhya Ramesh's post i.e. "Plagiarism’, dealing with Antisemitism: Why Harvard’s first black president Claudine Gay resigned" that glorified her achievements and credentials.
This Gay was a diversity hire who simply got the job coz she Blac 🤡. She had no issues saying calling for genocide of Jews depends on context but if same thing would have been said about the BLACKS, her own community would have been on the streets crying and whinning about Racisms 24×7 doing BLM rallies burning cities coz they OPPRESSED 😭
Nah dude, she's the make a wish kid who loves football and was granted the opportunity to play 1 play. You've seen it. Hand the ball off and everyone around them ACTS like they're trying to compete however all of them prop the kid up and let him in. But in those instances, it's a kid with horrible medical issues and is dying. In her case it's because she has a darker tone vag and agreed to do what she was told
Gay is just trying to make it political by getting her colour and origin in the game. She is playing victim card now. She was head of the institution before hamas’s attack. No one pointed any finger on her. She was happily leading it then. Let’s face it: she did something wrong, messed up in the hearing also hence got to go. Simple.
You're misstated the question, twice - 2nd time at about 14:01. The question asked of Gay was " Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules on bullying and harassment ? " (not whether the calling of genocide of Jews is anti-semitic, which it obviously is)
One day the idea of reservations has to loose in front of merit in India also ...like secularism has lost bcoz it was supporting radical islam and Christianity....
The day will come when the upper cast starts treating everyone same even in the villages. The problem in india is systemic. You can not find a single cast which is at the bottom of the system if you find some really low cast, people from that cast will say that there are still some people which are bellow them. The mindset is entrenched in india thought process. But 30to 40 years from now and the debate on the side of merite will get stronger as this mindset will change.
@@avijaiswal5819first, the day should come when we stop using the word “upper” caste. There is no one who is upper than anyone purely on the basis of birth. This flawed ideology stemming from religion is the root cause of misery today.
The root càuse is government job having lot of salary+ perks + holidays + corruption money + pension either new or old which force castes and groups to declare them low caste..,when government sell any government company,bank these people makes narrative of government selling country...but want to safeguard their luxury job...
@@rakkhnakaJust to correct you this flawed ideology dosen't stem from religion..... varna system was based on occupation not birth....And yeah the Cunning brahmins did alter it in their favor by shifting in on birth basis....I oppose it too & the majority of indians do as well As most of them are OBC The current reservation system has to go....There is a creamy layer of SC/ST formed & they use the system again and again taking the right of fellow Dalits to climb the economic ladder ....the current system needs some change any point you think of mine is wrong feel free to correct
DEI is a complicated issue. Definitely cannot be discussed in a single comment, but one thing I'd say is everything in excess is bad, even the good things. DEI started as a noble idea to allow social upliftment but then it became political and politicians used it to create vote banks. While it started with race and gender, they kept adding more and more categories to DEI including sexuality and identity now (which are rather personal preferences than social status). This excess led to deeper social divisions because now you can get a DEI benefit simply by "self identifying as a DEI category person".
Basic problem with reservations is those who enjoy the benefits of reservation will push for more reservations rather than promoting merit. Ultimately, you end up weakening the nation with nominated leaders. This is the exact problem of why Congress is failing.
This is a very important episode of CTC, not because of what Sekhar Gupta tried to analyse/ confuse viewers on the left-right debate, but because of the links provided to so many defining articles written by both sides, material that wouldn’t be easily accessible by ordinary persons. The Left, ever since it emerged in human civilisation, has always tried to twist facts and obfuscate understanding to mould opinion towards its wishes. This is one era when the other side is standing upto it with equal vigour and intellect, something which Sekhar too agrees. Irrespective of all that are being said about DEI blah blah, Claudine Gay has been forced to resign not because of her skin colour but because of her incredible stupidity of persisting with a non answer that could even shame those scores of Indian political spokespersons and politicians on television studio debates. Gay through her article is indulging in the age old left liberal cliches of playing the victim card! Sekhar’s attempt to equate the issue with reservations in India is a red herring. The right equation would be to draw parallels with the state of affairs in our elite academic institutions starting with JNU.
Anyone calling out for violence against any specific religion or community has to be expunged from society. I can’t believe my ears that she said ‘it depends on context’. There should be zero tolerance to anyone who justifies speaking against any community or religion by saying ’depending on the context’. People like Claudine Gay had given true liberals a bad name. Also it seems The Print is trying to justify this - may be effect of some sponsors
At least tell one time Liberals are not so liberal as their name. irrespective of original author is allowing his words to be taken or not plagiarism is plagarism and no one allows that in western Universities, I work in one of them so this lame argument of yours that original authors did not mind she lifting their words or meaning just do not hold anymore. you are old man plagarism is now checked by computer applications you can not escape if you have done anytime.
Certain rhetorical questions arise - Given that the Board has allowed Gay to remain as a Professor ; then is it patently unfair to fail any student for plagiarizing and how many times would it be permitted before the student was expelled ?
I did my Master's in Engineering at University of Michigan while working at General Motors in India. One of my colleague, while writing his Statement of Purpose while applying for the same Master's program as me, copied a line from something he found online. He was not only denied admission by the University, but also fired from his job at GM. Please understand, plagiarism is a serious offence, particularly in America. I would presume he would also qualify for DEI, yet that was the action taken. So even if one person among the people Ms. Gay 'plagiarized' has complained or confirmed it was without their consent and/or without them being given due credit, Ms. Gay should have been fired from the job and not let to resign. This is demonstrably consistent with American culture. I have become so careful about plagiarism that I review even what I post on social media. And Ms. Gay has been born, brought up and gained success in America.
Gupta ji , you are really mischievous, you failed to mention that GAY played victim card while resigning from Harward. She shamelessly mentioned there was racial animus agnst her. Your bias rather pain for left liberal flock in India is evidently coming out during this commentry.
SG sir, again a great episode - you've consistently raised the bar for Indian audiences in how they consume news. Love and respect to you (& The Print) for that. Just one call-out - you missed a very very critical thing in the DEI philosophy which won't be clear to the unassuming audience who hasn't gone thru in detail about this. It's the 'Oppressor - Oppressed' belief system acc to which Whites, Jews and lo and behold, some Asians (implying Hindu Indians) are oppressors - rest are oppressed. May be you can elaborate on it later if you choose to..
This is a fair comment. I have seen a lot of instances on LinkedIn of flat out racism of these so called "oppressed" against the "oppressors". That means that if you say something other then that the resignation of Claudine Gay is racism, you will be attacked and tagged with your employer so HR can see it. They hope that there is a strong DEI influence in that HR department that will silence or fire you if spoken out of line. This is important for Indians working in the US or even Europe to realize.
Bangladesh goes to elections this Sunday.... Lots of clutter there - US intervention, BNP boycott, Yunus Charged and lots of rioting ... But strangely despite never loosing an opportunity to remind us how Bangladesh was doing so much better than India on everything from HDI and exports to even GDP/cap we see no NO CTC ??!!! Must be the Mangoes from Sheikh Hasina !!!!
Notice how all these lefty librandus have stopped talking about the 'Great Bangladesh whose growth is better than India' as soon as news regarding them going to IMF for money after covid came out.
This is a good analysis. It contains both sides and let us choose what we understand. Sandhya Ramesh Video was totally biased and totally favouring Gay.
Noticed in this CTC these words and we can form an opinion of SG based on this Words used by SG in this CTC for Left wing "Seen as", "Perceived as", "Victim of", "Use of N-word", "Depends on context" "Racial slurs" "well laid trap", "black woman" "scalped" Words used by SG in this CTC for Right wing "Fished out references", "Depends on context" ,"divisive argument" , "Polarized debate", "fight back" "hit back" "strike back" , "critics have picked up", "has got an opportunity", "Conservatives emboldened by resignation"
Is diversity of political thought and ideology (in a political science department faculty) less important than diversity of ethnicity? It appears, in terms of diversity of political thought and ideology, Harvard has lost all diversity in certain social sciences/political sciences departments. While I'm sure disgusting racial vitriol was added to this fire, if the allegations of a misconduct or crime are proven to be true, does it matter what motivated those allegations or what the identity / ideology /politics of the accuser? Certain faculty, (at least one dean of Harvard Law) lost their job/didn't get tenure for subjective ideological issues, and not plagiarism.
DEI for me is a tool for legalizing slacking. We have to go back to working for the sake of merit and recognizing that word for what it means without any sidelines
19:10 But Shekhar ji, you missed to mention that India has reservation for upper caste also. And in most state( except Utrakhand or Himachal) Upper Caste in India now, has more reservation in proportion to der population than others. For example, In Bihar 66% of upper caste got reservation.(15% of total population is getting 10% of total population). We should start including this EWS is a caste based reservation. And if anyone disagree, for them I just have one simple question. I belong to so called OBC caste group and I was against caste based reservation before 2019, mainly OBC reservation. Hence I didn't take this reservation. Now, can I get EWS reservation if I satisfy all the economic parameters of EWS?
@@SMJ24111 😂😂 If merit matters then why EWS? By the way, Kill, loot , destroy and take away almost all the resources, capture everything available and leave the little bit resources for thousands of years and then after 75 years of reservation, complain about the reservation and talk about merit. Babua, Merit shines in the proper environment. Obviously der will be few exceptions but the general rule is, you need a better environment, opportunity and resources growing up.
can you explain how 66% of upper cast got reservation in bihar? the fact, in bihar there is 75% reservation. Only 10% exists for the EWS of upper castes. or you are just using your special brain to calculate 66% of reservation.
The actual issue is not if Claudine Gay is qualified or not. I wouldn't know. Maybe she is not. But the present situation seems to me like the pro-Israel faction scapegoating someone in high position to scare people into not criticizing Israeli policy." If you go against us the US government and the Israel lobby will come after you." While both anti-Semitism and Islamophobia is on the rise as since Oct 7th, it seems rather suspicious that the House was quick to come to the condemnation of racism toward just one group, practically calling Ms. Gay a genocide sympathizer in a very aggressive and rather hypocritical questioning, considering the US government is sending the bombs in support of the ongoing "genocide" as defined by South Africa which she will argue in international court. Then dirt is dug up on her. Now the issue has shifted to her character. Setting an example to others.The message is loud and clear," Don't let pro-Palestinian protest happen on your campuses. And of course letting a black person take the fall will garner support in a country with a history of racism towards minorities. I'm Asian living far from all of this. Just my take on the situation.
This is the main fact no matter who you blame, she would not have had to resign if she did not plagiarize. As I have said before, no matter who lit the match, she gave them the fuel to set the match to. :)
Brown Indian people in America also face discrimination too. Many brown skinned people could not get into universities because they were not welcomed, and only had the bkack universities to choose from. These white conservatives people brown skinned people fights for don’t even like brown skinned, we are seen in either Vivek ramy.. trying hard to be accepted by white Americans for their support and vote. But they rejected him based on skin colour Same thing Rishi Sunak is facing in the uk and he is going to be voted out by the electorate because of his skin colour. At the moment he is only been selected to lead the Yzk, but there is a deep hatred and resentment towards him and part of it is his skin colour
20:2022:36 a very interesting nuance about USA affirmative action is that after Affirmative Action being created specifically by President Lindon Johnson for a specific group, affirmative action immediately PRIMALLY included/benefited many many other groups. In other words, for 50 years the group that was supposed to benefit from DEI/affirmative action benefited from it the least. (Pls check all statistics and publications). Not sure how/why that happened, but maybe it's because no one asked when they're hiring or implementing programs the applicant if their family was in USA the 1800s? ;Did their lineage suffer from government laws( or their land was stolen/property burned down) in the 1800s and previous years(1776 to 1960s) idk.🤷 Also in the US part of the culture is "LEGACY ADMISSIONS STUDENTS " 15 %to 40% of the students are from high financial donors and faculty or parent/grandparents ( LEGACY) went there, so it's more complicated than just merit vs no merit. Interesting podcast/ show.thank you!!!
Why should Universities get into this business of judging what is right or wrong, what ideology is good and what is bad, issuing character certificates to people, etc? If any professor or student feel so strongly about a cause, they should vacate their sit and become a full time politician and then keep fighting for whatever cause they care about. Why waste a seat which other deserving candidate could benefit from?
Hightime universities isolate Social 'Science' etc from STEM as as the pseudo science and crypto political disciplines are ruining the reputation of the entire universities which is hard earned mostly by the STEM disciplines .
What proof do you have of that she was note qualified? Would you say that about the other two presidents who were also at the hearings? I haven't heard one person say the two white presidents weren't qualified, but the black president was. Why has no one pulled their dissertations up, I'm sure they will find some of the same mistakes. BI found that plagiarism with Bill Ackmans wife.
Fantastic video, Shekhar(Gupta Ji- I know you don't like that 😜)! Your channel consistently delves into complex thoughts, providing an intellectual perspective that I truly appreciate. While my views sometimes differ from yours, I value hearing your opinions as they broaden my understanding and make me only wiser. Now, onto the fight between conservatives and liberals - it's like a pendulum of time. Every decade or so, the societal context shifts, and the pendulum swings from left to right and vice versa. I don't consider the extreme left as purely liberal; in fact, the extreme left can be as conservative as the extreme right. It's about context, not labels. This narrative war, akin to a genomic analogy, sees certain ideologies emerging when the situation is favourable. Just like dormant genomes spring to life when conditions are right, ideologies gain prominence based on societal needs. The liberal openness arises with affluence, but as impurities creep in, conservatism resurfaces, leading to a continuous cycle. When we embrace liberal ideologies and openness, there's a period where people may exploit the generosity, taking advantage of the freedom offered. Initially, these impurities might be overlooked, but over time, as resources become constrained, there's a shift towards conservatism. Individuals, recognizing the need to safeguard limited resources, start closing in, giving rise to the resurgence of conservative thought. This cyclic interplay, influenced by societal dynamics, keeps the pendulum swinging between left and right. The delicate balance between liberalism and conservatism is intricately tied to the ebb and flow of resources and societal needs. Now, reflecting on the U.S. versus India - the war of narratives seems more refined in the U.S., with a nuanced interplay between conservative and liberal forces. In India, the pendulum swing appears more pronounced and dynamic. Thanks for sparking these reflections! Your content always challenges my thinking. 👏 #IntellectualPerspectives #ConservativesVsLiberals 👍 #ThoughtfulReflections Best wishes Avnish
I think Ms Gay was too quick to resign. She should have just kept a thick skin to all these menial accusations from the conservatives. Here is a fun fact of what conservative politicians were able to accept until now: At least five Harvard presidents - Benjamin Wadsworth, Nathaniel Eaton, Increase Mather, Joseph Willard, and Edward Holyoke - owned slaves. DEI is essential to level the playing field and i am happy it did to some extent just that and we need more of it
The DEI definition is incorrect. DEI is intended to weigh true merit matkets and do so as an assessment of the totality of the candidate and not simply rubber stamp the conveyor belt of existing power arrangements. So Claudine Gay was not hired because she is black. She was allowed to compete against mostly white men despite her being black. That is, she was not excluded, as many scholars of color have been, because her scholarly product referenced race or could be classified as critical race theory. And the white candidates wouldnt be able to essentially inherit the position based on their pedigree, connections or likeness to people who have held the position. Just the opposite of a preference system, DEI allows the most thorough and accurate review of qualifications.
Finally justice is served justifiably. Undeserving are so fragile that even the champion heavy weight like Barack Obama could not pull it off for her. Fragility comes not just from incompetence but also dishonesty in this case. Hatred such as Anti Semitism is not just bad but it has consequences. Inaction against such incidents amounts to incompetency which has damaged the reputation, prestige and honour of the long standing premier University in the world. Academia should be about education, research, seminars, publishing etc in the spirit of learning and expanding knowledge all for their own sake. Matters of political correctness, social justice etc must be kept out. Satyameva Jayate! 🪷 Jai Hind!! 🫡
If she cannot take responsibility for her words and say she was mis directed, then she doesn’t deserve in the position. Using victimisation card is always an easy resort…
The Board of Harvard may have had good intentions in selecting her, but she was the wrong person and her being forced out is a triumph for Integrity and accountability. The Board needs to examine it’s vetting process for candidates for senior positions and frankly it should be an external process so that there is no question regarding the investigation . It is only a Black /Gender issue for apologists who do not want to admit she is the wrong person for them to defend. She failed at all levels of accountability and integrity. She stained the reputation of the University by failing to clearly condemn anti- Semitism (substitute in LBGT or any Visible Minority and see how it plays) and effectively condoned it by trying to rationalize the use of such hate language, She engaged in Plagiarizing and then she wanted a pass for the same actions that would earn any student (black, white, Asian et al) an expulsion. In addition, she failed the test we expect everyone, including teenagers, to meet - taking accountability. Be honest - we would expect better from a Harvard Freshman let alone the President.
Shekarji, I want to say that the website has become pretty unreadable. Too many ads, too many survey popups. They are hard to dismiss. Please improve the UX - the current UX makes it hard to read.
The political right in America studied the motivations behind the enormous support of whites of the BLM movement. They discovered that it was the power of the logic and rationale of critical race theory. Since then the Right has targeted perceived representatives and proponents of the movement because it cammot challenge merit of the school of thought. If you were from here, ur exploration would begin with American racism and how it has undermined merit through, for one, its embedded and overt protection of white mediocrity. It has done so in many ways. One is by allowing headstarts and secreted enclaves for white development and then evaluating everyone by what those privileged folks deeived from that access. The product of that access is not better thought. That's demonstrated by the Right's own study that found that critical race theory was able to defeat and displace dominant though through logic and the scope of the consideration it requires.
Instead of listening to SG's half an hour blabbering, Fareed' 5 minutes take on issue is spot on, sensible, logical. Comparison in theses two videos Suggests Fareed a product of merit and excellence and SG a DEI recruit. th-cam.com/video/aXob1BvrseI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=H8rJW6DP-hP1Wtov
The three ivy league Presidents did not prepare for the single question they knew was comming. Their crime was not the 'inability' to condemn antisemitism but their REFUSAL to condemn and act against antisemitism. Jews have the same right to safety as all students! The could not have performed with less integrity. Then again, DEI has no integrity. Equality of outcome is wrong. Equality of opportunity is sacrosanct and US law since 1964. As their are a lack of white basketball players, shouldn't basketball players also get DEI? (Utterly ridiculous!). The Presidents refusal to directly condemn calls for genocide are so far beyond the pale they should not resign but should be FIRED. They should lose all benefits and face possible criminal prosecution for allowing hate crimes. DEI has harmed the US. Racism is not cool as they make it to be!
Why is this hitting back ? It is keeping to the existing precedence to the existing policies that were made by the same organization. If the policies only for the other side.
With all the repetitive, confusing, beating around the bush by SG ji, it seems he is unhappy with Gays ouster, and tries to subtly influence the listener in that regard 😮 Nothing more you can expect from these Prints, Quints to the Wires 😂
Good to get a more objective view from India. Hard to know what to believe if you just listen to the polarised and politicised debate in the US. Identity politics is a problem on both the left and the right.
The point which SG should have stressed upon with equal emphasis, but chose to push aside, is that an American senator asked a question to heads of three highly reputed educational institutions but each, failed to answer properly and so to say flunked the exam. It reveals they placed semantics above humanity and decency. While resigning Dr Claudine Gay realized her mistake and it reminds me of a famous verse of Edward Fitzgerald in his Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam: 'The moving finger writes and having writ moves on, nor all thy piety nor wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a line Nor all tears wash out a word of it.'
I am glad that US has DEI. I hope they make it as a law and enact in all sectors. It is akin to reservation in India. It will drag economy of US down and India can exceed US quicker than anticipated date of 2060.
11 peer reviewed papers!? That too with plagiarism !!! 😮 This is what a superstar researcher would do in their PhD (minus the plagiarism, of course)… alternatively they would do a couple of groundbreaking research, but plagiarism would not be a part of such a PhD thesis I can assure you. As a researcher who looked up to these institutions when I was younger, this also reflects in the low quality of research and researchers they seem to be producing nowadays. Hopefully, good sense will prevail for the betterment of science and humanity.
This happens because of Diversity and Inclusion thing in US and Western countries where the race, color, religion (Islamic) are more important than merit.
Peer reviews are not the gold standard any more... not to mention the circular citations among the cabal to give legitimacy to the motivated and agenda driven 'research' .
I don't agree that people against reservation in India are in minority, they are actually silent because they are a powerless majority. Meritocracy will eventually rise over appeasement in the veil of reservation
We need to have strict creamy layer exclusion in category. But agricultural tax evasion makes it hard to detect income of many landowning reserved castes. Hence, agriculture needs to be taxed.
19:15 Yes similar to Indian context of reservations to "Backward classes, scheduled castes, tribes etc., etc., ..."Why did you stop at etc., etc., why did you not add 'minorities'. Many political parties are pushing for reservations and concessions for minorities. One party in its manifesto in a just concluded state elections even talked about constructing hospitals exclusively for the minority community.
Unfortunately General Category go to US and then vote for the same type of politicians that support DEI and Reservations in the US, because of which they had to leave India in the first place.
Mr. Shekhar Gupta. I am a great admirer of You. But in your present episode, I am deeply disappointed with your analysis. I taught at three major medical schools in the U.S.A. for more than 35 years. I know what happens in the inner corridors of the University power circles. Diversity is nothing more than a metaphor for bypassing merit. I know many cases of denial of tenure and promotion., based on not belonging to the "right color" or ethnicity. Merit no longer matters in climbing the academic ladder in the so-called "Elite Universities". Cancel culture rules Americal education.
15:15 ? Cancel culture? Summers got even a better job after he left Harvard, he was a key member in the team responsible for cleaning up the mess of 2008 crisis , which he failed miserably
Shekhar, 1. using a word that does not satisfy -- 'CONTEXT' wouldn't be enough to bring down a white male. Let's get that out there. 2. the students on elite campuses have blamed Israel before during and after Oct 7. So there's no story there. History did not start on Oct 7 or on Oct 8. This is a long time problem.
So, when you optimize, you have a primary goal to optimize for. When you try to optimize for two or more, then you have to potentially compromise both or all goals and end up with medicre values on every axis. The problem with DEI is you are absolutely compromising merit in some cases in favor of race, hence the ruling on affirmative action. Why should Asian descent Americans need higher SAT scores to enter a school? Are they somehow undeserving compared to American students of African descent? Does anyone control their ancestry? I thought only the soul and merits of a person is shaped by the individual, rather than pre-existing existences beyond their control.
SG ur this cut the clutter is very substandard. Equity is never a part of our reservation system. Our system of reservation is based on Equality not Equity. So sorry that you did not bothered to find out difference between Equality n Equity.
I attended Harvard. There is no debate. An Asian or Caucasian student would have been expelled for Gay's level of plagiarism. PhD thesis committees concentrate on the quality of evidence and reasoning in their reviews. There is a presumption that by the time you are in your late twenties and finishing graduate school you are both honest and intelligent. So not every reference is checked. Through each stage of her career, I believe she was not held to the same standard as Asian and Caucasian students because people wanted a black success story and did not want to be called racist. We just witnessed the end result.
@@schuler5919 Well let's see. How many papers, patent, books has she published relative to her peers? Is there a pattern of plagiarism in her publications as there is in Gay's? If her performance is well below her peer group I suspect some other factor may be operative.
first things first- A CALL FOR GENOCIDE IS GENOCIDE ITSELF. Now things that stand out- 1) America's general public's growing disillusionment with these elite education institutions is also a testimony to how the income and wealth gap and a feeling of despondence and helplessness has pushed ordinary people into the arms of conservatives who harp on nationalism, culture and white supremacy. These things give the ordinary loser of globalization some solace and by attaching himself to a larger cause, he feels dignity that the financial inequality strips him off. 2) Donor's interference in the matters of university is a classic case for publicly funded education to keep freedom of expression safe from the vagaries of capital. 3) Lastly, this explains to us why Gandhi's strict obeisance to non-violence makes sense. By resorting to or supporting violence, people end up harming their own cause. The topic of discussion is no longer Israel's brutality on Palestinians but anti - semitism.
This is an example of the march of Black professionals using DEI to get high value jobs for which they are not the best qualified. In the name of equity. And what a prize. $900K annually and president of Harvard.
Plagiarism is a serious offense. For a storied institution like Harvard, even one case should lead to disqualification. Claudia Gay has to not only resign, but Harvard should go a step further and disassociate itself from her, including stopping any payments to her. As someone who focuses on American politics, I am surprised to hear Shekhar say that NYT has diverse opinions. Really? NYT, WaPo and NPR are as left wing, as Fox is right wing. Categoric statements are important in getting towards fair journalism. Like your videos Shekhar, but this one disappoint me most.
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Please, do make a video on JNU and Ashoka University
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CANT BELEIVE THE IGNORANCE I AM SEEING IN THE COMMENTS
OMG,BLACK people through affirmative action HELPED all people of color especially IMMIGRANTS to get OPPURTUNITIES civil rights in the US ( even tho there is MASSIVE racism against all people of color esp black people and black women . I
indians in the US should be MASSIVELY grateful to them
.Black people esp black women have faced slavery and toxic oppression for CENTURIES and still do .We saw how George Flloyd was killed in the open .White american far right supremacists HATE affirmative action
As someone who has studied in the US, I know plagiarism is a very serious offense. Many indian students fall into this trap in their first year of studies as they are not familiar with the rules. I personally know people who copied a line or two from the internet without attribution, the colleges use a tool to find out if the work is original. If it’s not they put them on probation for first offense, fail them for second offense and expel them for 3rd offense. The people I know unwittingly paid a heavy price. This professor plagiarized some 60 times. It doesn’t matter if the person who originally wrote it doesn’t mind - it’s still an offense. For that alone she deserved to go - if she didn’t, then Harvard would have no leg to stand on to enforce their existing plagiarism rules on students.
Regarding DEI. this professor only had 11 publications - no books. 11 publications is generally not enough to get a tenured role as an assistant professor even in low ranked colleges. I know people who publish these many papers in just 1 or 2 years during graduate studies and still fail to get coveted jobs - that’s how strong the competition is. Given that, it’s very fair to say she didn’t get this job based on merit.
In summary: This is a consequence of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion becoming more important than Distinction, Excellence and Integrity.
i loved the summery part of your words. Also Thanks for The insight.
Well said
Very well said
If you are from the same field as Gay, I could repose more faith in your conclusions. I agree with you on most points. Having said that, I'm not sure the number of publications alone is the right metric. Because she did win Best Thesis awards for both her PhD and an undergrad degree, from Stanford and Harvard I think. The quality of her publications , if you measure by the number of citations can also be very subjective. E.g. in certain areas of Math, one breakthrough journal paper alone is enough to defend a PhD thesis, while in some applied areas people publish 20 papers each year. I don't know whether her awards are for all of PhD theses, or all of social sciences etc. or what. I don't know whether you are from the same field as Claudine Gay, and I'm not from that field either.
Excellent comment.
In India there is literally no pushback against Indian DEI aka Reservation.
it is a 90 - 10 fight. No money for guessing who will win
The majority have given themselves reservation, it will never go in a democracy. It will only increase. The "general category" should think about their children and immigrate. Many countries facing population decline are open. Take advantage of this opening.
@@tindrumsplease leave. Happy to see you get out of India.
@@rakkhnaka For those who can't leave ??? You would make their life a living hell? Why ? Coz you are a majority?
@@mayanksingh0044 No one wants to make anyone’s life a hell. My comment was directed at the person who wanted to leave the country. Those who can’t leave are free to live their lives. Only don’t crib about reservation policy.
It will be good if Shekhar Gupta remember that when Mohammed Azarudeen was banned from cricket because of betting he also raised the claim that it was because he was a Muslim. To seek safety in religion and race for misdemeanours is the last resort of a scoundrel.
Well!! Hope you understand that when you quote his crimes as just some misdemeanours then you’re siding with Azharudeen.
@@u2beme2read the comment again. He is not saying what azaruddin did was a misdeamenour.
I agree, mixed metaphor notwithstanding.
For a long time, Rajiv Malhotra books n TH-cam videos has been talking about the prejudice in Harvard n similar institutions against Jews n Hindus.
MIT president is herself Jewish
You mean the Rajiv Malhotra who was talking about investment for next life after rebirth ? Ya he talks about LOOT of things.. India has a lot of frauds , does not matter they should be taken seriously. 😆🤣🤣🤣 Your mention of Jews and Hindus is laughable because most of Israelis consider brown Hindus inferior. That is in their ideology.
The left 'liberal' gang had tried using the plagiarism to discredit RM and his writings. (didn't they do the same thing to Vikram Sampath too?)
It's one of the weapons against people who intellectually challenge their hegemony.
It kind of funny that Claudine Gay now got the taste of their own medicine.
And guess what Indian billionaires are funding those same institutions who push anti India anti Hindu agenda enmass. TATA, Birla, Ambani, Piramal, Mahindra, etc.
Must read, books by Rajiv Malhotra. Cut the clutter's better version.
One thing you cannot get by affirmative action and you can only earn on merit is Respect.
This is not a win for conservatives. It's a win for academic integrity.
So... this is a win for conservatives. Deal with it.
@@StratumPress Honesty is a value shared by conservatives and liberals. It is an Enlightenment value.
Claudine Gay is not a liberal. She's a Marxist leftist. They don't value truth or honesty. (They say so themselves.)They are very much "by any means necessary." That's why she thinks it's ok to steal other people's work.
You and I are on the same side of this.
Calling this a win for conservatives just plays into hands of the woke/Marxist left. They want us to squabble with each other, while they go on with their "long march through the institutions." (Per Gramsci)
So, why be hostile? Everyone should agree that plagiarism is bad. And that the president of a university should exemplify the highest standards.
@@StratumPressOh no, poor blac women cannot even defend calls for genocide of Jews by bringing context dependent excuse.
Imagine replacing the word 'Jews' with 'Black's' and then see them cry victim for next 5 decades 😂
@@StratumPressdude chill where’s the aggressiveness coming from
A good recall. I wonder why give a seemingly clean chit to Ms Gay. I sat through the congress deposition live On TV. It is abundantly clear from the deposition that all three Presidents, did not admit that call for genocide is abhor able even though it was evident they were aware. She also said that the words become abhor able only when it turns to action. On this when Gay was asked if she will take notice only on occurrence of genocide or words to that effect, she floundered and still did not condemn the call for genocide. She was abundantly aware of what she was saying I watched it, all,of it.
Tailpiece: Now Ms Gay is just trying to redeem something out of it all, by the left - right and other such arguments. Let us not fall for it. Unfortunately we carry and profess wrong aspects of liberalism which is not good for liberalism. Just saying.
She is still keeping her job and paid same as of now 9 lakh USD
but penn state president resigned next day after she made the same statement. She didn't write an oped in NYT claiming racial /political bias.
Very true. 🤔 The "liberals" "secularists" "progressives" their cancel culture has been exposed.
Absolutely shocking testimony by all three. As leaders of such prestigious institutions, they are expected to demonstrate better grasp of values, justice and balance and be articulate about it.
The testimonies were infact a testimony to the power of your donors and we who those big donors are
they are part of the cabal that supports islam without know what islam is and what islamists are. Their motto is total annihilation of those who do not believe in their cult's philosophy.@@ManuSehgal10
Universities should refrain from becoming a tool for politicians. And any professor or student who wants to do politics on university campus, should vacate their seat and become full time politician. Let people who are only interested in academics take the seat.
not possible for atleast 20-30 yrs because every 2nd and 3rd tier colleges are filled with leftists 😂 its a reality
Everything and every place is political if you exist in a democracy. Especially Universities.
@@SPrabhakarproblem with nowadays universities is that it is completely disconnected with indian society; and revolutions these students try is inspired by soviet era communism which today is irrelevant.
I mean, she should not have been hired at Harvard in the first place as a faculty; then, she should not have been tenured in the second place--with 11 publications, for God's Sake.
Whats the average number of publications needed?
@@thejoker220 For getting the job, certainly a book and articles and for tenure quite really a seminal ground breaking work, that would define a field of study.
Rescind her fraud Phd
@@ut2104 Universities should isolate Humanities from STEM as as the pseudo science and crypto political disciplines are ruining the reputation of the entire universities which is hard earned mostly by the STEM disciplines .
Try getting one publication like hers then speak
Thank you for clarifying that her academic credentials were not what got her the job in first place, I was very disappointed in Sandhya Ramesh's post i.e. "Plagiarism’, dealing with Antisemitism: Why Harvard’s first black president Claudine Gay resigned" that glorified her achievements and credentials.
Sandy is a woke atheist and has really low self esteem.
This Gay was a diversity hire who simply got the job coz she Blac 🤡.
She had no issues saying calling for genocide of Jews depends on context but if same thing would have been said about the BLACKS, her own community would have been on the streets crying and whinning about Racisms 24×7 doing BLM rallies burning cities coz they OPPRESSED 😭
Nah dude, she's the make a wish kid who loves football and was granted the opportunity to play 1 play. You've seen it. Hand the ball off and everyone around them ACTS like they're trying to compete however all of them prop the kid up and let him in.
But in those instances, it's a kid with horrible medical issues and is dying. In her case it's because she has a darker tone vag and agreed to do what she was told
Rajiv Malhotra’ especially book “Snakes in the Ganga” speaks about the issues at Harvard and how they impact India
Gay is just trying to make it political by getting her colour and origin in the game. She is playing victim card now. She was head of the institution before hamas’s attack. No one pointed any finger on her. She was happily leading it then. Let’s face it: she did something wrong, messed up in the hearing also hence got to go. Simple.
Claudine Gay is the Jhansi ki Rani equivalent for Quint , Print, squint , Wire, and JNU burned tire 😂
Godi media is the true beacon of unbiased news 😂
stop calling Print godi media, madrasa chaap
@@mg.f.9023 as if chamcha media ain't lick raga boots.
You're misstated the question, twice - 2nd time at about 14:01. The question asked of Gay was " Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules on bullying and harassment ? " (not whether the calling of genocide of Jews is anti-semitic, which it obviously is)
It is deliberate.
One day the idea of reservations has to loose in front of merit in India also ...like secularism has lost bcoz it was supporting radical islam and Christianity....
You are right. illegal Bangladesi squatting has also increased in india
The day will come when the upper cast starts treating everyone same even in the villages. The problem in india is systemic. You can not find a single cast which is at the bottom of the system if you find some really low cast, people from that cast will say that there are still some people which are bellow them. The mindset is entrenched in india thought process. But 30to 40 years from now and the debate on the side of merite will get stronger as this mindset will change.
@@avijaiswal5819first, the day should come when we stop using the word “upper” caste. There is no one who is upper than anyone purely on the basis of birth. This flawed ideology stemming from religion is the root cause of misery today.
The root càuse is government job having lot of salary+ perks + holidays + corruption money + pension either new or old which force castes and groups to declare them low caste..,when government sell any government company,bank these people makes narrative of government selling country...but want to safeguard their luxury job...
@@rakkhnakaJust to correct you this flawed ideology dosen't stem from religion..... varna system was based on occupation not birth....And yeah the Cunning brahmins did alter it in their favor by shifting in on birth basis....I oppose it too & the majority of indians do as well As most of them are OBC The current reservation system has to go....There is a creamy layer of SC/ST formed & they use the system again and again taking the right of fellow Dalits to climb the economic ladder ....the current system needs some change any point you think of mine is wrong feel free to correct
Damage to higher education especially in institutions like AIIMS after Mandal is similarly now beyond redemption
DEI is a complicated issue. Definitely cannot be discussed in a single comment, but one thing I'd say is everything in excess is bad, even the good things. DEI started as a noble idea to allow social upliftment but then it became political and politicians used it to create vote banks. While it started with race and gender, they kept adding more and more categories to DEI including sexuality and identity now (which are rather personal preferences than social status). This excess led to deeper social divisions because now you can get a DEI benefit simply by "self identifying as a DEI category person".
Or just by not being a white male (in America). Literally no other qualifications are required.
Basic problem with reservations is those who enjoy the benefits of reservation will push for more reservations rather than promoting merit. Ultimately, you end up weakening the nation with nominated leaders. This is the exact problem of why Congress is failing.
We need creamy layer exclusion. And taxing agricultural income is needed, because landowning category people, evade taxes through agriculture.
Reservations will never end in India
Dumbo remove caste system bastard
Then talk about reservations
@@friendsgroup470 we do not need to end reservation. But we have to end the need for reservation. It happens through promoting quality and capacity.
Please see the Supreme Court judgements regarding obc reservation for medical seats. There are comments on what is merit.
This is a very important episode of CTC, not because of what Sekhar Gupta tried to analyse/ confuse viewers on the left-right debate, but because of the links provided to so many defining articles written by both sides, material that wouldn’t be easily accessible by ordinary persons.
The Left, ever since it emerged in human civilisation, has always tried to twist facts and obfuscate understanding to mould opinion towards its wishes. This is one era when the other side is standing upto it with equal vigour and intellect, something which Sekhar too agrees. Irrespective of all that are being said about DEI blah blah, Claudine Gay has been forced to resign not because of her skin colour but because of her incredible stupidity of persisting with a non answer that could even shame those scores of Indian political spokespersons and politicians on television studio debates. Gay through her article is indulging in the age old left liberal cliches of playing the victim card! Sekhar’s attempt to equate the issue with reservations in India is a red herring. The right equation would be to draw parallels with the state of affairs in our elite academic institutions starting with JNU.
Being a General category in India is like being sentenced to perpetual soft punishments.
Only if you aim government job, and failed.
You can be open about migrating to another country. I did and it is fine, better than fighting against reservation.
There is no reservation in private sector.. Lol
@@Masiba7517 And education?
@@anshuraj4277What about education
It's a win for every common sense person. She is example of a society in decline. Just like Lori Lightfoot. Find out about her.
Anyone calling out for violence against any specific religion or community has to be expunged from society. I can’t believe my ears that she said ‘it depends on context’. There should be zero tolerance to anyone who justifies speaking against any community or religion by saying ’depending on the context’. People like Claudine Gay had given true liberals a bad name. Also it seems The Print is trying to justify this - may be effect of some sponsors
At least tell one time Liberals are not so liberal as their name. irrespective of original author is allowing his words to be taken or not plagiarism is plagarism and no one allows that in western Universities, I work in one of them so this lame argument of yours that original authors did not mind she lifting their words or meaning just do not hold anymore. you are old man plagarism is now checked by computer applications you can not escape if you have done anytime.
Woke thought they were untouchable for a very long time.
Certain rhetorical questions arise - Given that the Board has allowed Gay to remain as a Professor ; then is it patently unfair to fail any student for plagiarizing and how many times would it be permitted before the student was expelled ?
I did my Master's in Engineering at University of Michigan while working at General Motors in India. One of my colleague, while writing his Statement of Purpose while applying for the same Master's program as me, copied a line from something he found online. He was not only denied admission by the University, but also fired from his job at GM. Please understand, plagiarism is a serious offence, particularly in America. I would presume he would also qualify for DEI, yet that was the action taken. So even if one person among the people Ms. Gay 'plagiarized' has complained or confirmed it was without their consent and/or without them being given due credit, Ms. Gay should have been fired from the job and not let to resign. This is demonstrably consistent with American culture.
I have become so careful about plagiarism that I review even what I post on social media. And Ms. Gay has been born, brought up and gained success in America.
Gupta ji , you are really mischievous, you failed to mention that GAY played victim card while resigning from Harward. She shamelessly mentioned there was racial animus agnst her.
Your bias rather pain for left liberal flock in India is evidently coming out during this commentry.
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When hired you say due to competence, when fired, you call r-word, classic
SG sir, again a great episode - you've consistently raised the bar for Indian audiences in how they consume news. Love and respect to you (& The Print) for that.
Just one call-out - you missed a very very critical thing in the DEI philosophy which won't be clear to the unassuming audience who hasn't gone thru in detail about this. It's the 'Oppressor - Oppressed' belief system acc to which Whites, Jews and lo and behold, some Asians (implying Hindu Indians) are oppressors - rest are oppressed. May be you can elaborate on it later if you choose to..
😂😂
This is a fair comment. I have seen a lot of instances on LinkedIn of flat out racism of these so called "oppressed" against the "oppressors". That means that if you say something other then that the resignation of Claudine Gay is racism, you will be attacked and tagged with your employer so HR can see it. They hope that there is a strong DEI influence in that HR department that will silence or fire you if spoken out of line. This is important for Indians working in the US or even Europe to realize.
Too complicated.
Bangladesh goes to elections this Sunday.... Lots of clutter there - US intervention, BNP boycott, Yunus Charged and lots of rioting ... But strangely despite never loosing an opportunity to remind us how Bangladesh was doing so much better than India on everything from HDI and exports to even GDP/cap we see no NO CTC ??!!! Must be the Mangoes from Sheikh Hasina !!!!
what's CTC?
@@ytskt Cut The Clutter, Thats the title of this series
Notice how all these lefty librandus have stopped talking about the 'Great Bangladesh whose growth is better than India' as soon as news regarding them going to IMF for money after covid came out.
Universities should avoid taking any partisan political stances...left or right...
People for most parts are inherently political
This is a good analysis. It contains both sides and let us choose what we understand. Sandhya Ramesh Video was totally biased and totally favouring Gay.
In short, after acting like a wolf, now she is crying wolf.
Noticed in this CTC these words and we can form an opinion of SG based on this
Words used by SG in this CTC for Left wing
"Seen as", "Perceived as", "Victim of", "Use of N-word", "Depends on context"
"Racial slurs" "well laid trap", "black woman" "scalped"
Words used by SG in this CTC for Right wing
"Fished out references", "Depends on context" ,"divisive argument" , "Polarized debate", "fight back" "hit back" "strike back" , "critics have picked up", "has got an opportunity", "Conservatives emboldened by resignation"
What goes around, comes around Professor Gay has EARNED this opprobrium-long overdue
Is diversity of political thought and ideology (in a political science department faculty) less important than diversity of ethnicity? It appears, in terms of diversity of political thought and ideology, Harvard has lost all diversity in certain social sciences/political sciences departments. While I'm sure disgusting racial vitriol was added to this fire, if the allegations of a misconduct or crime are proven to be true, does it matter what motivated those allegations or what the identity / ideology /politics of the accuser? Certain faculty, (at least one dean of Harvard Law) lost their job/didn't get tenure for subjective ideological issues, and not plagiarism.
DEI for me is a tool for legalizing slacking. We have to go back to working for the sake of merit and recognizing that word for what it means without any sidelines
In her own words, N-word should also be seen in context.
Is expected she feel embarrassed, no, she wants revenge.
19:10 But Shekhar ji, you missed to mention that India has reservation for upper caste also.
And in most state( except Utrakhand or Himachal) Upper Caste in India now, has more reservation in proportion to der population than others.
For example, In Bihar 66% of upper caste got reservation.(15% of total population is getting 10% of total population).
We should start including this
EWS is a caste based reservation.
And if anyone disagree, for them I just have one simple question.
I belong to so called OBC caste group and I was against caste based reservation before 2019, mainly OBC reservation. Hence I didn't take this reservation.
Now, can I get EWS reservation if I satisfy all the economic parameters of EWS?
What's the relation of reservation with population, merit is only thing that's matter.
Bullshit.
@@SMJ24111 😂😂 If merit matters then why EWS?
By the way, Kill, loot , destroy and take away almost all the resources, capture everything available and leave the little bit resources for thousands of years and then after 75 years of reservation, complain about the reservation and talk about merit.
Babua, Merit shines in the proper environment. Obviously der will be few exceptions but the general rule is, you need a better environment, opportunity and resources growing up.
@@padmakumarvadhyar7656 yeah, you are a load of that.
can you explain how 66% of upper cast got reservation in bihar? the fact, in bihar there is 75% reservation. Only 10% exists for the EWS of upper castes. or you are just using your special brain to calculate 66% of reservation.
I still can’t understand how Gay reached that position
It's not the N word - real elephant in the room is the 'M' word!
Why you don't understand man, she got there coz she BLAC PEOPLE😂
Reservations bro
Vivek Ramaswamy has aptly described her academic output
The actual issue is not if Claudine Gay is qualified or not. I wouldn't know. Maybe she is not. But the present situation seems to me like the pro-Israel faction scapegoating someone in high position to scare people into not criticizing Israeli policy." If you go against us the US government and the Israel lobby will come after you." While both anti-Semitism and Islamophobia is on the rise as since Oct 7th, it seems rather suspicious that the House was quick to come to the condemnation of racism toward just one group, practically calling Ms. Gay a genocide sympathizer in a very aggressive and rather hypocritical questioning, considering the US government is sending the bombs in support of the ongoing "genocide" as defined by South Africa which she will argue in international court. Then dirt is dug up on her. Now the issue has shifted to her character. Setting an example to others.The message is loud and clear," Don't let pro-Palestinian protest happen on your campuses.
And of course letting a black person take the fall will garner support in a country with a history of racism towards minorities.
I'm Asian living far from all of this. Just my take on the situation.
This is the main fact no matter who you blame, she would not have had to resign if she did not plagiarize. As I have said before, no matter who lit the match, she gave them the fuel to set the match to. :)
Nice balanced presentation , siding none..
University is a temple of knowledge, hence excellence and merit should prevail and not politics.....
In India, reservation is embedded in our constitution whereas US constitution explicitly prohibits reservation in any form. Two can not be compared.
Brown Indian people in America also face discrimination too. Many brown skinned people could not get into universities because they were not welcomed, and only had the bkack universities to choose from.
These white conservatives people brown skinned people fights for don’t even like brown skinned, we are seen in either Vivek ramy.. trying hard to be accepted by white Americans for their support and vote. But they rejected him based on skin colour
Same thing Rishi Sunak is facing in the uk and he is going to be voted out by the electorate because of his skin colour. At the moment he is only been selected to lead the Yzk, but there is a deep hatred and resentment towards him and part of it is his skin colour
20:20 22:36 a very interesting nuance about USA affirmative action is that after Affirmative Action being created specifically by President Lindon Johnson for a specific group, affirmative action immediately PRIMALLY included/benefited many many other groups. In other words, for 50 years the group that was supposed to benefit from DEI/affirmative action benefited from it the least. (Pls check all statistics and publications).
Not sure how/why that happened, but maybe it's because no one asked when they're hiring or implementing programs the applicant if their family was in USA the 1800s? ;Did their lineage suffer from government laws( or their land was stolen/property burned down) in the 1800s and previous years(1776 to 1960s) idk.🤷 Also in the US part of the culture is "LEGACY ADMISSIONS STUDENTS " 15 %to 40% of the students are from high financial donors and faculty or parent/grandparents ( LEGACY) went there, so it's more complicated than just merit vs no merit. Interesting podcast/ show.thank you!!!
Why should Universities get into this business of judging what is right or wrong, what ideology is good and what is bad, issuing character certificates to people, etc? If any professor or student feel so strongly about a cause, they should vacate their sit and become a full time politician and then keep fighting for whatever cause they care about. Why waste a seat which other deserving candidate could benefit from?
Hightime universities isolate Social 'Science' etc from STEM as as the pseudo science and crypto political disciplines are ruining the reputation of the entire universities which is hard earned mostly by the STEM disciplines .
The fact of the matter is that she was/in the position that she was/is in not due to her accomplishments but because of her race/gender (reservation).
What proof do you have of that she was note qualified? Would you say that about the other two presidents who were also at the hearings? I haven't heard one person say the two white presidents weren't qualified, but the black president was. Why has no one pulled their dissertations up, I'm sure they will find some of the same mistakes. BI found that plagiarism with Bill Ackmans wife.
Fantastic video, Shekhar(Gupta Ji- I know you don't like that 😜)! Your channel consistently delves into complex thoughts, providing an intellectual perspective that I truly appreciate. While my views sometimes differ from yours, I value hearing your opinions as they broaden my understanding and make me only wiser.
Now, onto the fight between conservatives and liberals - it's like a pendulum of time. Every decade or so, the societal context shifts, and the pendulum swings from left to right and vice versa. I don't consider the extreme left as purely liberal; in fact, the extreme left can be as conservative as the extreme right. It's about context, not labels.
This narrative war, akin to a genomic analogy, sees certain ideologies emerging when the situation is favourable. Just like dormant genomes spring to life when conditions are right, ideologies gain prominence based on societal needs. The liberal openness arises with affluence, but as impurities creep in, conservatism resurfaces, leading to a continuous cycle. When we embrace liberal ideologies and openness, there's a period where people may exploit the generosity, taking advantage of the freedom offered. Initially, these impurities might be overlooked, but over time, as resources become constrained, there's a shift towards conservatism. Individuals, recognizing the need to safeguard limited resources, start closing in, giving rise to the resurgence of conservative thought. This cyclic interplay, influenced by societal dynamics, keeps the pendulum swinging between left and right. The delicate balance between liberalism and conservatism is intricately tied to the ebb and flow of resources and societal needs.
Now, reflecting on the U.S. versus India - the war of narratives seems more refined in the U.S., with a nuanced interplay between conservative and liberal forces. In India, the pendulum swing appears more pronounced and dynamic.
Thanks for sparking these reflections! Your content always challenges my thinking. 👏 #IntellectualPerspectives #ConservativesVsLiberals 👍 #ThoughtfulReflections
Best wishes
Avnish
I think Ms Gay was too quick to resign. She should have just kept a thick skin to all these menial accusations from the conservatives.
Here is a fun fact of what conservative politicians were able to accept until now: At least five Harvard presidents - Benjamin Wadsworth, Nathaniel Eaton, Increase Mather, Joseph Willard, and Edward Holyoke - owned slaves.
DEI is essential to level the playing field and i am happy it did to some extent just that and we need more of it
NYT is not a diverse news organisation.
Please Shekhar, you don't need to joke so much.
I agree, NYT has a reputation. But don’t get carried away, its views ARE prejudiced. Let us not ignore that.
History is witness to it…. “Jada Sir Pe Bhithao To Aisa Hi Hota Hai”. Now u can easily make out what’s happening in the world.
The DEI definition is incorrect. DEI is intended to weigh true merit matkets and do so as an assessment of the totality of the candidate and not simply rubber stamp the conveyor belt of existing power arrangements. So Claudine Gay was not hired because she is black. She was allowed to compete against mostly white men despite her being black. That is, she was not excluded, as many scholars of color have been, because her scholarly product referenced race or could be classified as critical race theory. And the white candidates wouldnt be able to essentially inherit the position based on their pedigree, connections or likeness to people who have held the position. Just the opposite of a preference system, DEI allows the most thorough and accurate review of qualifications.
Finally justice is served justifiably. Undeserving are so fragile that even the champion heavy weight like Barack Obama could not pull it off for her.
Fragility comes not just from incompetence but also dishonesty in this case.
Hatred such as Anti Semitism is not just bad but it has consequences. Inaction against such incidents amounts to incompetency which has damaged the reputation, prestige and honour of the long standing premier University in the world.
Academia should be about education, research, seminars, publishing etc in the spirit of learning and expanding knowledge all for their own sake. Matters of political correctness, social justice etc must be kept out.
Satyameva Jayate! 🪷
Jai Hind!! 🫡
Spot on. DEI/gender equality is just another form of reservation.
If she cannot take responsibility for her words and say she was mis directed, then she doesn’t deserve in the position. Using victimisation card is always an easy resort…
The Board of Harvard may have had good intentions in selecting her, but she was the wrong person and her being forced out is a triumph for Integrity and accountability. The Board needs to examine it’s vetting process for candidates for senior positions and frankly it should be an external process so that there is no question regarding the investigation . It is only a Black /Gender issue for apologists who do not want to admit she is the wrong person for them to defend. She failed at all levels of accountability and integrity. She stained the reputation of the University by failing to clearly condemn anti- Semitism (substitute in LBGT or any Visible Minority and see how it plays) and effectively condoned it by trying to rationalize the use of such hate language, She engaged in Plagiarizing and then she wanted a pass for the same actions that would earn any student (black, white, Asian et al) an expulsion. In addition, she failed the test we expect everyone, including teenagers, to meet - taking accountability. Be honest - we would expect better from a Harvard Freshman let alone the President.
Shekarji, I want to say that the website has become pretty unreadable. Too many ads, too many survey popups. They are hard to dismiss. Please improve the UX - the current UX makes it hard to read.
Thank you for the feedback. I will certainly pass this on to my relevant colleagues...best wishes, Shekhar
The political right in America studied the motivations behind the enormous support of whites of the BLM movement. They discovered that it was the power of the logic and rationale of critical race theory. Since then the Right has targeted perceived representatives and proponents of the movement because it cammot challenge merit of the school of thought. If you were from here, ur exploration would begin with American racism and how it has undermined merit through, for one, its embedded and overt protection of white mediocrity. It has done so in many ways. One is by allowing headstarts and secreted enclaves for white development and then evaluating everyone by what those privileged folks deeived from that access. The product of that access is not better thought. That's demonstrated by the Right's own study that found that critical race theory was able to defeat and displace dominant though through logic and the scope of the consideration it requires.
On a fundamental basis, how can anyone defending Hamas be called as liberal in any sense ? Is this not a height of hypocrisy??
Instead of listening to SG's half an hour blabbering, Fareed' 5 minutes take on issue is spot on, sensible, logical. Comparison in theses two videos Suggests Fareed a product of merit and excellence and SG a DEI recruit.
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The three ivy league Presidents did not prepare for the single question they knew was comming. Their crime was not the 'inability' to condemn antisemitism but their REFUSAL to condemn and act against antisemitism. Jews have the same right to safety as all students!
The could not have performed with less integrity. Then again, DEI has no integrity. Equality of outcome is wrong. Equality of opportunity is sacrosanct and US law since 1964. As their are a lack of white basketball players, shouldn't basketball players also get DEI? (Utterly ridiculous!). The Presidents refusal to directly condemn calls for genocide are so far beyond the pale they should not resign but should be FIRED. They should lose all benefits and face possible criminal prosecution for allowing hate crimes. DEI has harmed the US. Racism is not cool as they make it to be!
No one in India recognizes that reservation has become one of the most poignant examples of majoritarianism
The quality of expensive graduate degrees from Harvard is in question.
Why is this hitting back ? It is keeping to the existing precedence to the existing policies that were made by the same organization. If the policies only for the other side.
Good one, thank you. After all, context matters!
With all the repetitive, confusing, beating around the bush by SG ji, it seems he is unhappy with Gays ouster, and tries to subtly influence the listener in that regard 😮
Nothing more you can expect from these Prints, Quints to the Wires 😂
Felt like a complete waste of around 30 minutes, at best this is an unwanted incremental update, Shekhar ji.
Thank you so much for your excellent service for explaining this Dr. Gay up Rise
Good to get a more objective view from India. Hard to know what to believe if you just listen to the polarised and politicised debate in the US. Identity politics is a problem on both the left and the right.
Scalped is expression comes from Native Americans taking scalp as trophy of war
This is an excellent piece of journalism, hallmark of SG.
The point which SG should have stressed upon with equal emphasis, but chose to push aside, is that an American senator asked a question to heads of three highly reputed educational institutions but each, failed to answer properly and so to say flunked the exam. It reveals they placed semantics above humanity and decency. While resigning Dr Claudine Gay realized her mistake and it reminds me of a famous verse of Edward Fitzgerald in his Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam:
'The moving finger writes and having writ
moves on, nor all thy piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a line
Nor all tears wash out a word of it.'
I am glad that US has DEI. I hope they make it as a law and enact in all sectors. It is akin to reservation in India. It will drag economy of US down and India can exceed US quicker than anticipated date of 2060.
11 peer reviewed papers!? That too with plagiarism !!! 😮
This is what a superstar researcher would do in their PhD (minus the plagiarism, of course)… alternatively they would do a couple of groundbreaking research, but plagiarism would not be a part of such a PhD thesis I can assure you.
As a researcher who looked up to these institutions when I was younger, this also reflects in the low quality of research and researchers they seem to be producing nowadays.
Hopefully, good sense will prevail for the betterment of science and humanity.
This happens because of Diversity and Inclusion thing in US and Western countries where the race, color, religion (Islamic) are more important than merit.
Peer reviews are not the gold standard any more... not to mention the circular citations among the cabal to give legitimacy to the motivated and agenda driven 'research' .
Quota system should be removed from India and Nepal.
I don't agree that people against reservation in India are in minority, they are actually silent because they are a powerless majority. Meritocracy will eventually rise over appeasement in the veil of reservation
We need to have strict creamy layer exclusion in category. But agricultural tax evasion makes it hard to detect income of many landowning reserved castes. Hence, agriculture needs to be taxed.
19:15 Yes similar to Indian context of reservations to "Backward classes, scheduled castes, tribes etc., etc., ..."Why did you stop at etc., etc., why did you not add 'minorities'. Many political parties are pushing for reservations and concessions for minorities. One party in its manifesto in a just concluded state elections even talked about constructing hospitals exclusively for the minority community.
Unfortunately General Category go to US and then vote for the same type of politicians that support DEI and Reservations in the US, because of which they had to leave India in the first place.
Perhaps one of the most interesting episodes in recent times by Shekhar Ji
Mr. Shekhar Gupta. I am a great admirer of You. But in your present episode, I am deeply disappointed with your analysis. I taught at three major medical schools in the U.S.A. for more than 35 years. I know what happens in the inner corridors of the University power circles. Diversity is nothing more than a metaphor for bypassing merit. I know many cases of denial of tenure and promotion., based on not belonging to the "right color" or ethnicity. Merit no longer matters in climbing the academic ladder in the so-called "Elite Universities". Cancel culture rules Americal education.
@SG NYT is never diverse in their opinion. Sorry where did you got that impression from.
15:15 ? Cancel culture? Summers got even a better job after he left Harvard, he was a key member in the team responsible for cleaning up the mess of 2008 crisis , which he failed miserably
Shekhar, 1. using a word that does not satisfy -- 'CONTEXT' wouldn't be enough to bring down a white male. Let's get that out there. 2. the students on elite campuses have blamed Israel before during and after Oct 7. So there's no story there. History did not start on Oct 7 or on Oct 8. This is a long time problem.
Why should there be affirmative action at the top level. At the entry level may be not when you are in the industry and got a chance to compete
So, when you optimize, you have a primary goal to optimize for. When you try to optimize for two or more, then you have to potentially compromise both or all goals and end up with medicre values on every axis. The problem with DEI is you are absolutely compromising merit in some cases in favor of race, hence the ruling on affirmative action. Why should Asian descent Americans need higher SAT scores to enter a school? Are they somehow undeserving compared to American students of African descent? Does anyone control their ancestry? I thought only the soul and merits of a person is shaped by the individual, rather than pre-existing existences beyond their control.
Lets all remember that HATE SPEECH AND HATE MONGERING is also part of Free Speech.
You express so clearly. Impressive!
Sekhar , u can’t hide ur feelings and commitments 😂😂
SG ur this cut the clutter is very substandard. Equity is never a part of our reservation system. Our system of reservation is based on Equality not Equity.
So sorry that you did not bothered to find out difference between Equality n Equity.
I attended Harvard. There is no debate. An Asian or Caucasian student would have been expelled for Gay's level of plagiarism. PhD thesis committees concentrate on the quality of evidence and reasoning in their reviews. There is a presumption that by the time you are in your late twenties and finishing graduate school you are both honest and intelligent. So not every reference is checked. Through each stage of her career, I believe she was not held to the same standard as Asian and Caucasian students because people wanted a black success story and did not want to be called racist. We just witnessed the end result.
@@schuler5919 Then she should not be made president of Harvard.
@@schuler5919 Well let's see. How many papers, patent, books has she published relative to her peers? Is there a pattern of plagiarism in her publications as there is in Gay's? If her performance is well below her peer group I suspect some other factor may be operative.
first things first- A CALL FOR GENOCIDE IS GENOCIDE ITSELF.
Now things that stand out-
1) America's general public's growing disillusionment with these elite education institutions is also a testimony to how the income and wealth gap and a feeling of despondence and helplessness has pushed ordinary people into the arms of conservatives who harp on nationalism, culture and white supremacy. These things give the ordinary loser of globalization some solace and by attaching himself to a larger cause, he feels dignity that the financial inequality strips him off.
2) Donor's interference in the matters of university is a classic case for publicly funded education to keep freedom of expression safe from the vagaries of capital.
3) Lastly, this explains to us why Gandhi's strict obeisance to non-violence makes sense. By resorting to or supporting violence, people end up harming their own cause. The topic of discussion is no longer Israel's brutality on Palestinians but anti - semitism.
This is an example of the march of Black professionals using DEI to get high value jobs for which they are not the best qualified. In the name of equity. And what a prize. $900K annually and president of Harvard.
Plagiarism is a serious offense. For a storied institution like Harvard, even one case should lead to disqualification. Claudia Gay has to not only resign, but Harvard should go a step further and disassociate itself from her, including stopping any payments to her. As someone who focuses on American politics, I am surprised to hear Shekhar say that NYT has diverse opinions. Really? NYT, WaPo and NPR are as left wing, as Fox is right wing. Categoric statements are important in getting towards fair journalism. Like your videos Shekhar, but this one disappoint me most.
So merit is in? When does it happen in India? Wake me up then.