Ive been called naive by several people for some odd reason ie. too nice. And I ran my own bussines and own two homes which you cannot do being naive. If you smile, and are nice some people take it as naive Ive found. I was just raised in a religious and decent way, I dont walk around being unhappy. Some people are just bad and raised badly and rough so they think people that come from a different background are naive but no, its just a different upbringing. Not to mention I try to avoid unecessary stress and drama. I definitely can hold my own.
Being nice and letting people take advantage of you are not the same thing. Edit: I've learned from experience not to make myself a target of those who would try to get over on me and watched my father get taken advantage of in his business and in his relationships over and over he was a great guy but too trusting and didn't stand up for himself you don't start a business to make friends you start a business to make money
I was raised very religiously. I'm the youngest of 3 with two older brother and me being the only girl. I was babied and taken care of my whole life. I was raised in a private Christian school/church and I had a hard time grasping that people would be willing to hurt me or lie to me for their own gain. I am a self professed gullible person, but that is because I do not ASSUME others are lying to me. I trust and believe people immediately but once you give me a reason to not trust you or if you show me your true colors and you're just a slimeball of a person then I'm absolutely done and your cut off. I can be nice and professional to people I do not like but that doesn't mean I don't see how bad a person is I just refuse to engage and I will avoid the drama if possible. If I'm forced to I can get mad and be a terror but generally I prefer to be happy, assume the best in people and operate to help and love people as much as possible. I also married a VERY good man who is a realist and is good at helping me see the lies and help me navigate situations so I don't get made to look stupid or too trusting. Ugh it's exhausting sometimes lol
@@aninatalia it's not that they have been raised bad, rather, that they have experienced negative things that you have yet to experience. Negative experiences that shatter world views and the optimistic nature that is common in first world countries.
What he said is absolutely true. I've been through serious tragedy and was able to overcome it. It's the betrayal and cruelty by someone I trusted that haunts me every day.
I have a friend who is extremely naive, because she has a friend who is mentally unstable and yet she protects her. Her crazy friend is starting to get on her nerves now and yet she believes that she can still help her.
the line between selfless help and mindless self destruction is thinner than paper, when it comes to mentally ill people. You can help mentally unstable person, but you are at great risk of losing your own focus and ending up in rabbit hole of problems. There is only one generally reasonable help you can offer mentally struggling person - make them seek real, professional help. There is always a person who knows what to do with you at any level of your problems. You do not need to wait for the problems to get real real and you're not lost if things have spiralled out of control.
The deep part is even if you watched this video and was aware of this, theres a high percentage it can absolutely still happen to you simply because you don't have the experience yet. Its 100% blindsided. I'll pray for you
But if you understand evil properly the issue won't really come up. When you need experience to teach you it means you are still naive as you don't understand evil properly.
How can you ever thank this man enough? Hi's given us so much valuable information about life itself and about the depths of our minds ...he can go deep down into the abyss and come up with wisdom in a nutshell and just share it with the whole world .
I have met a malevolent person, at first glance (10 years ago) he was super charismatic, had many short relationships and was working out all the time. He wasn't my friend of choice as there were many other people in our friend group, but out of nowhere we used to hang out quite a bit at some point - it's like a was a target. I never really knew him until we decided to share a home, due to financial stress. Then the thick layer of veneer was losing coverage and he escalated, you can't keep appearances up all the time. He was hurting me with his behaviour and driven by self interest, then he would be friendly, aggressive, then overly sweet, then pathetic (very manipulative) - this pattern would repeat for quite a bit, anything to reach his goal. There was no lower bound to what he wouldn't do to hurt, I see that now and it's unsettling, but in the end but I can only blame myself for not being aware. Living with this 'demon' is truly a learning experience even-though he lacks morals and personal insight he is not as smart as I am - so we are fighting on equal ground. Dealing with him has indeed freed me from my unnecessary parts in my being and have made me a stronger person but not after having been broken a little. It's not about how much you break, it's about how good you are at rebuilding yourself.
I sympathise with you. Again this is all naivety. When your not naive you realise that you judge someone properly before you make friends With them. You don't ever join a friend group with people you don't really no you create your own friend group. Make a list of friends and form your own group.
They all say i live in my world , i am naive , innocent it really hurts me when i trust easily others idk where to talk ,whom to talk i just don't know i wish everybody was like my mother my parents . Just being good and honest to each other there were no politics
After arriving in NYC last night I was guided to a “shuttle” that had its number called, and I got in it, the guy dropped me off after a 20 min drive, said it was a $97 fee plus a “New York tax,” making it $160, not including the tip. I fell for it. I tell myself I’m not stupid, but then I do stuff like this. He totally saw right through me as a sucker. I could have just as easily been kidnapped because of how naive I was. This is the world we live in, you have to understand that people are not born good - I thought I understood this, but I guess not as much as I should have understood it. I sure didn’t live by it, but I’m not planning on making that mistake again. You can’t really plan what could happen, but prepare yourself by not being helpless or harmless. Be so careful, take your time, trust no one but yourself.
yea we regret all being suckers. its our downfall and both a learning experience because we are naive but no so anymore but who can tell if they get a second chance making a fool of us again. if i were to make a simulation of this. i would ask him the math. what is new york tax? how did it come to be? i think being an annoying prick and asking questions and taking time to let it all sink in and then move on after being confident would sound like a good thing. But then our mind talk would sound like- im stressing out what would people think i gotta leave now. not make a scene. this is normal. just get it done with. we are really struggling with the anxiety of what could go wrong that we lose reason.
Believing the person was good is the naivety. What tears people up is believing they could have done something different, been someone different. That they were targeted because of a flaw in themselves. Anyone who doesn't sniff out evil can be a target. You didn't do anything wrong. Dedicating time to learn appropriate boundaries is all you need to do.
I have to say that when Jordan Peterson speaks, I can relate to 100% what he is saying, I might disagree with some of his political views, but in terms of psychology he really is an expert
The man that sexually abused my eldest, before I knew what he did, told me; “Do you understand how naive you are?” After the disclosure from my child, that haunts me horrendously 15 years after.
This is one of the only Peterson clips that I actually agree with, what with being so naive myself. Never thought I'd be in an abusive relationship with someone that is so mean and physically vicious (and sadly, loves Peterson).
71 year old man never seen anybody so naive man almost signed away his house, almost signed away like a lot of money... You can not reason how someone doesn't understand the modern world it baffles me how you would get married without pre marriage counseling...😊
Could you explain more about ‘ where we are not what we could be?’ Are we not enough as we are? Also the burning away... please. Thank you! I don’t see the relationship between being all I could be and being naive, but then again I’m looking at this because I think I’m naive! 🙂
My interpretation of that is when we hold traumatic experiences within our psyche which hinders our emotional intelligence we are selling ourselves short , and not living up to our fullest potential then out of that comes the naivety
@@jaimehaynes6489 well wtf are we supposed to do with it? Be like those monsters we hate? Because I don't want to be anything like those people and I sure as heck don't want to go to prison because of them. If you seek revenge you better kill them or it just goes on and on and never ends.
1:00 - 1:04 ”sometimes its the realization of their own malevolence that does them in...” So what ought to happen after that realization? Does it depend on the magnitude of the malevolence ? If so, how?
1:20 Someone shooting up people at school is certainly a psychopath. Now more of a specific case type: How would one describe a person who has been bullied all their school years, and that one time decided to take their parents gun along to school, not to randomly shoot people but as their protection, and ends up killing one of their bullies after they rounded on the person yet again? (The rest of the bullies run away and this person is scared and crying after everything that just happened.) Is this person a psycho murderer? Not exactly. What happened was terribly wrong nonetheless.
If someone is emotionally abusing you or abusing you otherwise, the first thing you need to do is to stop being naive - I used to think being naive was a protection for how I viewed the world, and in a sense it was. However being naive could get you killed. Understand that people are evil, and that being “harmless” is not a virtue. You and I are capable of being monsters, but taming ourselves is what makes us the people we want to become. It also helps us to have the ability to stand up for ourselves to people who are malevolent.
I get really angry when I see naive behaviour on TV shows, like when someone acts naive and gets murdered or something. I really can't stand it. Is that just instinct, does anyone else share my discussed?
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures was buried and rose again on the third day according to the scriptures.Malevolence.very good , description , its when things are personal, I think a tragedy or something can be delt with but personal melicious action is like he said very difficult to believe that thus has happened, more damaging.
"And that's an encounter. It's almost always, and this has certainly been my clinical experience, what traumatizes people is malevolence. It's not tragedy, although tragedy can traumatize people if it's severe enough. But generally, no, people can withstand tragedy. They are done in by real malevolence. And so sometimes it's the realization of their own malevolence that does them in. But when that isn't the case, they encounter someone who's out there in the world who's actually operating to hurt them." Vulnerable people will always be prey to 'predators,' 'brainwashers, ' 'cults,' and the malevolent racist creeps like the groups Jordan belongs to!
sarcasmo...sarcasmo e deboche cura trauma e zoa a malevolência...você só não pode ser inocente, sua mente tem que mastigar, comer a mente de psicopatas.
Many Christian nationalists have extreme ideas about women are you okay with this? Women never got to ask if they would be allowed to vote after Trump was elected. But that was going to be one of the questions for the second debate. Trump hired 5 of his old cabinet members who were also members that wrote project 2025 back into the office this time and he said that he did not know them which he did know them he tried to distance himselff in the project why would you do that. Why would he need to do that unless it was going to tease something that was going to distrupt women's rights? They were secretive about project 2025 because no one was going to accept the takeover now it's happening and pizza are regretting their votes but it's too late only men can stop this. This was a deceitful manipulation. I do not know why powerful men like you are not standing up to powerful men like him. Is shame on your cowardice.
Ive been called naive by several people for some odd reason ie. too nice. And I ran my own bussines and own two homes which you cannot do being naive. If you smile, and are nice some people take it as naive Ive found. I was just raised in a religious and decent way, I dont walk around being unhappy. Some people are just bad and raised badly and rough so they think people that come from a different background are naive but no, its just a different upbringing. Not to mention I try to avoid unecessary stress and drama. I definitely can hold my own.
I relate to this post immensely.
Being nice and letting people take advantage of you are not the same thing.
Edit: I've learned from experience not to make myself a target of those who would try to get over on me and watched my father get taken advantage of in his business and in his relationships over and over he was a great guy but too trusting and didn't stand up for himself you don't start a business to make friends you start a business to make money
I was raised very religiously. I'm the youngest of 3 with two older brother and me being the only girl. I was babied and taken care of my whole life. I was raised in a private Christian school/church and I had a hard time grasping that people would be willing to hurt me or lie to me for their own gain. I am a self professed gullible person, but that is because I do not ASSUME others are lying to me. I trust and believe people immediately but once you give me a reason to not trust you or if you show me your true colors and you're just a slimeball of a person then I'm absolutely done and your cut off. I can be nice and professional to people I do not like but that doesn't mean I don't see how bad a person is I just refuse to engage and I will avoid the drama if possible. If I'm forced to I can get mad and be a terror but generally I prefer to be happy, assume the best in people and operate to help and love people as much as possible. I also married a VERY good man who is a realist and is good at helping me see the lies and help me navigate situations so I don't get made to look stupid or too trusting. Ugh it's exhausting sometimes lol
@@aninatalia it's not that they have been raised bad, rather, that they have experienced negative things that you have yet to experience. Negative experiences that shatter world views and the optimistic nature that is common in first world countries.
@@naomimills7215 lucky you.
What he said is absolutely true. I've been through serious tragedy and was able to overcome it. It's the betrayal and cruelty by someone I trusted that haunts me every day.
I've met a few malevolent people in my life and I wish Jordan Peterson were around before! Amazing insight of the human psyche.
Same.
Wish there was a subject on Emotional intelligence in all schools
I have a friend who is extremely naive, because she has a friend who is mentally unstable and yet she protects her. Her crazy friend is starting to get on her nerves now and yet she believes that she can still help her.
the line between selfless help and mindless self destruction is thinner than paper, when it comes to mentally ill people. You can help mentally unstable person, but you are at great risk of losing your own focus and ending up in rabbit hole of problems. There is only one generally reasonable help you can offer mentally struggling person - make them seek real, professional help. There is always a person who knows what to do with you at any level of your problems. You do not need to wait for the problems to get real real and you're not lost if things have spiralled out of control.
The deep part is even if you watched this video and was aware of this, theres a high percentage it can absolutely still happen to you simply because you don't have the experience yet. Its 100% blindsided. I'll pray for you
But if you understand evil properly the issue won't really come up.
When you need experience to teach you it means you are still naive as you don't understand evil properly.
How can you ever thank this man enough? Hi's given us so much valuable information about life itself and about the depths of our minds ...he can go deep down into the abyss and come up with wisdom in a nutshell and just share it with the whole world .
This is so on point
Sandria Martinez rude
I have met a malevolent person, at first glance (10 years ago) he was super charismatic, had many short relationships and was working out all the time. He wasn't my friend of choice as there were many other people in our friend group, but out of nowhere we used to hang out quite a bit at some point - it's like a was a target. I never really knew him until we decided to share a home, due to financial stress. Then the thick layer of veneer was losing coverage and he escalated, you can't keep appearances up all the time. He was hurting me with his behaviour and driven by self interest, then he would be friendly, aggressive, then overly sweet, then pathetic (very manipulative) - this pattern would repeat for quite a bit, anything to reach his goal. There was no lower bound to what he wouldn't do to hurt, I see that now and it's unsettling, but in the end but I can only blame myself for not being aware. Living with this 'demon' is truly a learning experience even-though he lacks morals and personal insight he is not as smart as I am - so we are fighting on equal ground. Dealing with him has indeed freed me from my unnecessary parts in my being and have made me a stronger person but not after having been broken a little. It's not about how much you break, it's about how good you are at rebuilding yourself.
I sympathise with you. Again this is all naivety. When your not naive you realise that you judge someone properly before you make friends With them. You don't ever join a friend group with people you don't really no you create your own friend group. Make a list of friends and form your own group.
They all say i live in my world , i am naive , innocent it really hurts me when i trust easily others idk where to talk ,whom to talk i just don't know i wish everybody was like my mother my parents . Just being good and honest to each other there were no politics
After arriving in NYC last night I was guided to a “shuttle” that had its number called, and I got in it, the guy dropped me off after a 20 min drive, said it was a $97 fee plus a “New York tax,” making it $160, not including the tip. I fell for it. I tell myself I’m not stupid, but then I do stuff like this. He totally saw right through me as a sucker.
I could have just as easily been kidnapped because of how naive I was. This is the world we live in, you have to understand that people are not born good - I thought I understood this, but I guess not as much as I should have understood it. I sure didn’t live by it, but I’m not planning on making that mistake again. You can’t really plan what could happen, but prepare yourself by not being helpless or harmless. Be so careful, take your time, trust no one but yourself.
yea we regret all being suckers. its our downfall and both a learning experience because we are naive but no so anymore but who can tell if they get a second chance making a fool of us again. if i were to make a simulation of this. i would ask him the math. what is new york tax? how did it come to be? i think being an annoying prick and asking questions and taking time to let it all sink in and then move on after being confident would sound like a good thing. But then our mind talk would sound like- im stressing out what would people think i gotta leave now. not make a scene. this is normal. just get it done with. we are really struggling with the anxiety of what could go wrong that we lose reason.
This man speaks perfectly
Omg yeah the thing that disturbs me the most is when it's so outside of my imagination
Make your self a priority 😉 that is the solution
I was naive at 17 and stalked by a psychopath and he became treacherous. He told me he wanted to destroy me.
If I only knew this when I was in puberty
are you sure know you know..............🤔😆
Its been 3 years I know. But can you tell me the consequences?
@@godisbilsmastaren1440 you just want to get in her pants. Don't you?
Believing the person was good is the naivety. What tears people up is believing they could have done something different, been someone different. That they were targeted because of a flaw in themselves. Anyone who doesn't sniff out evil can be a target. You didn't do anything wrong. Dedicating time to learn appropriate boundaries is all you need to do.
I have to say that when Jordan Peterson speaks, I can relate to 100% what he is saying, I might disagree with some of his political views, but in terms of psychology he really is an expert
This video is golden
"why are you not, what you could be?"
brilliant.
I am too naive I couldn’t even understand the speech 😢
After watching this i am 100% sure i was a victim of this ;
Same here.
then now be a hero.........instead of being victum or abuser............🤗
The man that sexually abused my eldest, before I knew what he did, told me; “Do you understand how naive you are?” After the disclosure from my child, that haunts me horrendously 15 years after.
His words are like therapy
People hate on him but he's Great in every since of the word...
Himself suffering from a bizarre strain of Dunning-Kruger
This is one of the only Peterson clips that I actually agree with, what with being so naive myself. Never thought I'd be in an abusive relationship with someone that is so mean and physically vicious (and sadly, loves Peterson).
So true 👍
71 year old man never seen anybody so naive man almost signed away his house, almost signed away like a lot of money... You can not reason how someone doesn't understand the modern world it baffles me how you would get married without pre marriage counseling...😊
I am one of them.....
I'm very naive myself.
Excellent 👌 thanks
Could you explain more about ‘ where we are not what we could be?’ Are we not enough as we are? Also the burning away... please. Thank you! I don’t see the relationship between being all I could be and being naive, but then again I’m looking at this because I think I’m naive! 🙂
My interpretation of that is when we hold traumatic experiences within our psyche which hinders our emotional intelligence we are selling ourselves short , and not living up to our fullest potential then out of that comes the naivety
@@jaimehaynes6489 well wtf are we supposed to do with it? Be like those monsters we hate? Because I don't want to be anything like those people and I sure as heck don't want to go to prison because of them. If you seek revenge you better kill them or it just goes on and on and never ends.
@@jaimehaynes6489this was very relatable,
Thanks for putting this into words that I struggle to.
How do I find out whether or not I am a psychopath?
Bro isnt this normal stuff in corporate america? Please explain in coporate terms for us stuck in customer service
He's such a great teacher
I was done in by a psychopath.
So did I
How are you now?
Annabelle Lin got him back severely. Now in peace
Same here
@@naveedrehman2987 bro what happened to u
1:00 - 1:04
”sometimes its the realization of their own malevolence that does them in...”
So what ought to happen after that realization?
Does it depend on the magnitude of the malevolence ?
If so, how?
Yup
Why did I look up Naive and find this?
we have to find out.............
1:20
Someone shooting up people at school is certainly a psychopath.
Now more of a specific case type:
How would one describe a person who has been bullied all their school years, and that one time decided to take their parents gun along to school, not to randomly shoot people but as their protection, and ends up killing one of their bullies after they rounded on the person yet again? (The rest of the bullies run away and this person is scared and crying after everything that just happened.)
Is this person a psycho murderer? Not exactly. What happened was terribly wrong nonetheless.
In life I have noticed thoose who are naive more often admit they are naive.
Same can't be said about thoose who are paranoid '
这就是为什么父母非常重要，不是因为保护孩子重要，而是正确的带领孩子认识世界。
Very good point.
You don't be a parent unless you can teach life experience to your children.
I am naive
My nd yells at me daily and tells me ppl hate me because I'm so naive
If someone is emotionally abusing you or abusing you otherwise, the first thing you need to do is to stop being naive - I used to think being naive was a protection for how I viewed the world, and in a sense it was. However being naive could get you killed. Understand that people are evil, and that being “harmless” is not a virtue. You and I are capable of being monsters, but taming ourselves is what makes us the people we want to become. It also helps us to have the ability to stand up for ourselves to people who are malevolent.
Peterson is 100% right. Malevolence is real, and pretty fucking common.
I do thank my ex latin lover for waking me up ❤
cool
The most naive person I have ever seen goodness gracious man he 😅 could be duped easily...
I get really angry when I see naive behaviour on TV shows, like when someone acts naive and gets murdered or something. I really can't stand it. Is that just instinct, does anyone else share my discussed?
damn right bro
Pure evil on purpose 🤢 i will heal from everything thata been put on me. Lord God delev me from my past. Amen
I am the psycopath watch out
than who am i...........?
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures was buried and rose again on the third day according to the scriptures.Malevolence.very good , description , its when things are personal, I think a tragedy or something can be delt with but personal melicious action is like he said very difficult to believe that thus has happened, more damaging.
W.A.I.T
The words gullible and naive don't exist in the Oxford English Dictionary.
"And that's an encounter. It's almost always, and this has certainly been my clinical experience, what traumatizes people is malevolence. It's not tragedy, although tragedy can traumatize people if it's severe enough. But generally, no, people can withstand tragedy. They are done in by real malevolence. And so sometimes it's the realization of their own malevolence that does them in. But when that isn't the case, they encounter someone who's out there in the world who's actually operating to hurt them."
Vulnerable people will always be prey to 'predators,' 'brainwashers, ' 'cults,' and the malevolent racist creeps like the groups Jordan belongs to!
sarcasmo...sarcasmo e deboche cura trauma e zoa a malevolência...você só não pode ser inocente, sua mente tem que mastigar, comer a mente de psicopatas.
All guilty
😔
Mean people are very naive. Can we talk about how naive are men who believe women are naive?
Am I naïve!?
Lol No your a real winner with a quick wit lol
Is he teaching a class on a particular topic or is he just ranting about random malevolence?
Many Christian nationalists have extreme ideas about women are you okay with this? Women never got to ask if they would be allowed to vote after Trump was elected. But that was going to be one of the questions for the second debate. Trump hired 5 of his old cabinet members who were also members that wrote project 2025 back into the office this time and he said that he did not know them which he did know them he tried to distance himselff in the project why would you do that. Why would he need to do that unless it was going to tease something that was going to distrupt women's rights? They were secretive about project 2025 because no one was going to accept the takeover now it's happening and pizza are regretting their votes but it's too late only men can stop this. This was a deceitful manipulation. I do not know why powerful men like you are not standing up to powerful men like him. Is shame on your cowardice.