Years ago a colleague quipped, “I don’t want a government that’s honest and fair. I want one biased in my favor.” Everybody laughed, probably because it’s the unacceptable truth many of us feel but try to overcome when we vote.
You're naive to think government should be fair. Politics is not fair, it is a struggle. It's this silly naivete is why I lost faith in the Democrats, just wishcasting and delusion.
@@homofloridensis i want a fair government, i just don’t think democrats run the government in a fair way. I feel that they just do a good job of hiding their lies and bias.
that does not bode well. that attitude would align with manmade climate change, antinatalism, and degrowth in general. if a sizeable population believes that, we're in for some sort of reckoning
well i'm happy who think i'm garbage didn't get what they wanted. F you and say hi to president trump, and hopefully we do away with this silly democracy stuff altogether and make his son emperor
I really dislike that attitude of self-insulting and self-disparaging many people share on the left. There are many things we (as a centrist and Harris voter I include myself here) should do to regain the popular vote, and avoiding self disqualifications is definitely one of them. Conservatives absolutely hate that.
"As democracy is perfected, the office of the president reflects, more and more, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain people will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned with a downright moron." - H. L. Menken And here we are.
@matthewjudge3763 It's your culture. Guns, violence, racism, war, and greed. For a country that was founded on genocide and built on war and oppression a few hundred murdered school kids is a drop in a bloody ocean. I've an American cousin, crying that he can't understand how anyone could vote for a convicted felon while he voted for someone doing a genocide 😆😆😆
As a parent, it's really fun to raise children telling them their actions have consequences when the country as a whole just elected someone who has never been punished or faced consequences for his actions.
What actions? IF you are talking about the phony criminal cases brought by corrupt Leftwing Bidon followers that are baseless. you need a lesson or 50 in law.
Looking at it from the UK, the key problem the Democrats had with Trump was that for almost a decade (since 2015) is that he has dominated the public sphere and set the terms of the debate. Everyone (news channels, establishment Republicans and Dems) was always reactive towards Trump and what he said rather than proactive. He always held the initiative and went where he wanted to go, everyone else just followed him.
I don't disagree. Mainstream US media danced along the line of sensationalism and rumor peddling because anything Trump gets attention and it often eclipsed more responsible and in-depth analysis - always allowing him to control the narrative and bury the actual facts behind walls of reactionary opinion.
Trump is the guy who we see in the mirror when no one else is looking. He rhetoric is the conversation that happens in private, but hasn’t always been polite to utter in public. Now, we are permitted to say all of those things, and contemplate those plans.
Trump was in the right place at the right time: when an economy that was in aggregate doing well was the cause of misery for many working class people for whom inflation smashed their real standards of living...something their non-existent Bitcoin/Nvidia etc investment portfolios can't alleviate. Virtually all incumbent governments during this past few years have taken big hits and rewarded parties seen as the opposite of who was in charge. America has moved to the right, but not so much by informed choice as by impoverished desperation.
America was changing because of income inequality. It started with Reagan and has continued to grow. The middle class is being hollowed out. The wealthy are richer than ever. Bernie Sanders has been calling it out for decades. Republicans are to blame. They don’t care about the working class. People don’t see it. They just hang on to the divisive rhetoric and blame immigrants and others. Republicans are screwing you and you voted for it.
Can't speak for everyone else...but the Biden administration very much fucked it up. From telling people to stay home when we needed to open up like Trump said, trying to force people to get the jab to try to "announce independence from covid" only to be hit with delta, to rushing out of Afghanistan while people got run over clinging onto the airplane. Democrats proved they don't have a candidate that is electable nor know what they're doing. Putting weekend at Bernies in the white house and trying to gas light the American people saying he's sharp as a tack...you guys fucked up
Lol. Wages at the bottom of the ladder almost doubled. Under Trump I was pulling a fuel tanker for $18/hr, Today most gas station clerks make $17/hr. American working and serving class is a disgrace. Do not attempt to legitimize the disgrace American working people have become.
The democrats kept saying: he is not an everyday man, he's the elite, a billionaire. But: he doesn't act presidential or like a regular, composed billionaire of the elite; he acts like some poor guy just won the lottery and got put into office as the president. So he's the perfect avatar for the people who fell disenfranchised and powerless as a power-fantasy. He is also a narcissist; and we all know that, below the over-confident facade, narcissists are riddled with fear, and this resonates well with the average Trump voter, who see their jobs being lost due to globalism, and thus fears everything coming from outside, or even their own countrymen, seen by the urge to arm oneself to the teeth, or to believe any lie about immigrants.
I'll agree to that if you will agree that the press continually trying to normalize Trump and his circus of hate, made it easier and more palatable for a great many Americans to vote for him.
@@hellogoodbyeagain Sarcasm or verbalizing what some people in the Press apparently think. (I mean, not a part of the Press myself, so that "we" is pretty weighted.)
"Wah wah! Stop 'normalising' Trump! Just demonise him some more, then the American people will turn against him!" You've tried demonisation to 99.99%, not sure going to 100% gets you anywhere more.
Where have you been in the world that the people there had a low opinion of Americans? I’ve met some that have had criticisms of policies of the U.S. government, but rarely low opinions of the U.S. people. In fact, the vast majority I met had admiration and respect for Americans. I’m not saying you’re wrong, maybe that’s what you came across.
@@everyman1013I grew up an American citizen in Ireland in the 70s and 80s. Americans were stereotyped as loud mouthed ignoramuses, because they were brash, positive of their own supremacy in the world. They had been fed the narrative that American exceptionalism set them apart in a good way. They knew nothing about anything happening outside of the US. Seems like half the country has evolved, while the other half is regressing. Thank goodness for States' Rights
@everyman1013 Most of Europe, SA, certainly in China and Asia. It's been a long time since I've ever heard anyone express admiration for the U.S. or american people as a whole. I have American friends. Americans can be friendly. Most people will be polite. You wouldn't really get up in someone's face about this, and it'd be super rude. I'm not referring to individual people, I'm referring to the thing as a whole. You also can't forget the U.S. is still a superpower, and it is judged as such, and so are the Americans in the way they conduct themselves in this capacity. There are a number of responsibilities this entails if you want allies, but a heck of a lot more benefits. (E.g. the dollar, the amount of freedom other countries give your tech companies, FOBs in every crack on earth) I haven't come across anyone in a long time who had a favoral view of Americans (general). At most, it's a resigned view, but certainly not what it was even a couple of decades ago. Trump really is the apt avatar for your nation.
@@everyman101320+ years ago mockery of the stupidity of American people was a staple of Russian standup comedy. Watching interviews of maga Trumpers on TH-cam, I must admit that Russian fiction is so lame and childish compared to the darkness of American reality.
@bluetoast8584 Care or not, American image is probably #1 American product. American image sales are dwindling, you will have to adjust to the new reality.
The voters have chosen Trump. They should be forced to endure his term, regardless of the pain it causes. Democrats, in particular, should not lead any effort to remove him from office, Republicans should be forced to own him and be forced to remove him, if the pain gets bad enough. Voters need to learn a lesson.
Two things I thought of on Wednesday morning of the 6th. 1. The observation of years ago that Americans think they're the rebels in Star Wars when they're actually the Empire 2. I decided the most important thing for me to do was to be as nice as I can to as many as I can. Be generous, be kind, be tolerant, be compassionate, for, to paraphrase a King, only light can defeat the darkness; only love can defeat hate.
If Democrats want working class voters, they need to focus on working class issues. People dont give a shit about LGBT policy if they can't afford a house, education, healthcare, or food. Chalking it up to bigotry and racism is what got Democrats here in the first place. Look at all long term statistics, housing is expensive, education is expensive, wealth inequality is high, and median wages stagnated since the 70s. People have real grievances, and Democrats have ignored them for so long, that theyre willing to support a bigot like Trumo not because they're bigots, but because they're more angry at the left than they are repulsed by Trumps personality. He at least diagnosis the peoblem, although his solutions are incorrect.
So, broadly speaking, yes, Democrats need to focus more on working class issues. But I don't understand why working class voters give Trump and company the benefit of the doubt. Sure, Trump plays up grievances, but what even are the solutions he purports to offer? Tariffs? Mass deportations? Tax cuts for the rich? Those are in no way going to help with the cost of living, and in fact they should aggravate the problem. So what gives? And what do you think effective Democratic messaging on these issues would look like? Harris did have some economic populism proposals in her pitch, "opportunity economy," housing subsidy, loan forgiveness, etc. Not to mention an actual healthcare plan, as opposed to "concepts of a plan." Why do you think it didn't resonate?
@@samuelwebb2404 It's because to some, the tariffs and deportations of illegals is more appealing than the alternative, which is completely ignoring these issues. It's a mistake the German centrists did which is why we see AfD rising, and now it's happening here, because Democrats can't admit that a portion of their power and voter base wants to import millions of their kinfolk to demographically damage this country.
@@samuelwebb2404 It how he frames his ideas. When he mentions tax cuts he says he's cutting them for everybody. When he mentions immigration, he mentions he's doing something drastic about it immediately (mass deportations), etc. He frames them in a way that it makes sense to his base and that shows urgency. I've always found interesting how everyone's response is "but what he means is" reading other stuff into what he has actually espoused. The contrast to this was a candidate who publicly stated multiple times that not much would change from what was already being done right now. Seen from that lens, it's pretty easy to see that at the very least Trump represented a change for them (which if you're disaffected with status quo can be seen as a better option).
@@lammyjammer6670Scott Adams would say that Trump exaggerates and bullshits while being “directionally correct”. So, basically, America gets and likes the gist of his message.
Thing is, significant portion of Americans have the perception that minorities only care about racism, gay people only care about lgbt issues, women only care about feminism and sexism etc. So they come to believe the party that has traditionally attracted people from these groups (Democratic) is also focused _solely_ on those issues. Ironically, growing numbers of people from those aforementioned groups also believe this, believing "bad apples" acting within the Democratic Party are making everything about inequality. I agree that Democrats too often do not deliver on their policies, however I'd disagree that their policies do not focus working-class issues, at least not anymore than Republicans. Both parties tend to be most vocal about the issues that clearly contrast to the opposition lest they seem too similar to their opponents. For Democrats it's climate change, lgbt rights, abortion rights and gun control. For Republicans it's border control, 2nd amendment protection and de-regulation.
Warning: Incoming poorly structured rant about why the economic, social, and cultural conditions were right for working class people to vote for trump, I personally am not from the US and personally do not like or support him, but recognise that blaming everything on the culture wars (abortion, race etc) is not an adequate explanation for his re-election the ^(Number) things are supposed to be footnotes, but most of them are longer than the main point and far more in depth. there is a TLDR if you need it If you think I am wrong about anything (which I probably am because I'm talking about a country I'm not from then please correct me) What a surprise, being unable to functionally curb the power and excesses of capitalism because you are funded and controlled by the capitalists (both parties) leads to hatred and disillusionment with establishment politics, causing working class people greatly affected by the enormous wealth inequality and globalisation^1, but unable to perceive the exploitive and undemocratic system they live under^2 due to the media^3 and the culture it creates creating the impression that other problems are to blame^4, like immigration^5 and high taxes on the rich^6 ,to be drawn to a man who has such charisma and such powerful populist rhetoric that he can make the richest single man in the world a member of his cabinet and no one will comment the enormous conflict of interest this represents despite the fact that one of, if not THE most important issues for trump voters was the economy if they didn't vote on social policy and still be perceived as an anti-establishment wrecking ball because the material conditions for people in America are really bad and getting worse. 1^ Which is a form of exploitation for both people within the core and outer layer of the global economy, places in the US such as the rust belt or the current state of UK's north exist because corporations found industrial production more profitable in outer layer countries primarily due to the amazingly cheap wages you can pay people in these countries, which is bad for both core ( lose out on jobs and become impoverished) and outer layers (paid a pittance for their labour and are still as impoverished as before) but they follow the cold logic of profit so they don't care about the damage it causes. 2^ Think; why do workers not have a democratic say in what goes on in their workplaces? Why do rich elites consistently get away with unbelievable crimes that would leave working class people in prison for life or executed? 3^ Another form of business that knows it's interests lie in preventing anti-capitalist thought otherwise they will not be able to maintain their current position of social and economic power, always remember who's economic interests the news is always biased towards, though I admit they can go any way with societal issues because the ruling class that controls media is not united on those, there are meaningful differences in how for example the LGBT community is portrayed on the British Broadcasting Corporation vs Fox News. Importantly news is rarely actually made up but are framed in a way that twists perspective or sometimes simply not shown at all. 4^ Though more people are waking up to the fact that the interests of business are not in any way aligned with the interests of working people, however many do not fully understand what the interests of business actually are (Hint: it's the profit motive and everything else they do flows from there, even seemingly charitable work is done to obfuscate their wrongdoings and preventing consumers from boycotting them against profitable (Read: immoral ) practices, example: Nestle). 5^ Immigration is only an economic problem until you collaborate with the migrants against bosses to keep your wages despite the influx in the labour market which should increase supply while demand stays the same which of course would otherwise create lower prices for labour/wages , which is why capitalists are both the ones encouraging immigration through overexploitation of third-world countries and the ones encouraging the demonisation of migrants looking for higher wages in first-world countries , so they can get lower wages in the core AND periphery and therefore increase profits in both areas. Also petty crime or street-level violent crime scales very closely with economic status, it's abut your material conditions not where you're from, so by demonizing migrants you can prevent the existing social groups from collaborating with them, leading to the migrants taking on cheap work due to lack of support and collective power to get higher wages, leading to the continuation of poverty and crime, and through the crime they commit because they are in poverty you can demonise them further to prevent collective action and so on and so forth all in the name of cheaper labour costs and higher profits regardless of the harm this does to all sorts of people on an economic and societal level, again remember the cold logic of profit. 6^ Funny how its always the rich telling you that taxes on them are bad for you isn't it? before someone responds with "but the increased taxes cause the cost of production to increase, thus necessitating an increase in price that hurts the consumer, meaning the potential gain from social welfare is offset" which while a fair and reasonable argument from an economic perspective, is also assumes that companies should hurt workers instead of the already-wealthy shareholders of large companies TLDR: both parties make things worse economically for working people because they are both in the pockets of business but trump has charisma, populist rhetoric ( There's a reason Bernie Sanders was cheered on Fox News by the audience) and a base that almost worships him, convincing some sections of the working class he will benefit their positions even when his actual policies are still as oriented towards big and little business as ever. TLDRTLDR: fuck both democrats and republicans, neither are the party of working people, both are playing you like suckers along with the rich and powerful.
Except we are the minority now. This is not fair. I want to be with the majority and have the majority on my side as a black woman. Why didn’t people vote for my rights?
At least 10 million more than that, but they were also too lazy to show up to vote. Trump didn't pull over that many swing votes, he got about the same amount of votes this time as he did in 2020. The difference was how many anti-Trump voters just did not bother to vote this time. It is actually a perfect analogy to what happened in 2016. Voter apathy slayed the Democrats, and they let it happen to themselves.
I really hate disagreeing with this take, but I ultimately place blame on all of us, even myself. I have never voted for Trump, but I believe the social ties of our society bind our fates together. Collectively, we voted for the candidate who promised to hurt us. Collectively, we decided to burn the house down with us trapped inside. Bad times are coming our way, and thanks to those societal binds, I believe we collectively deserve the pain Trump inflicts upon us. Please note that I don't *want* anybody to suffer, but what can I do when we collectively have a choice between suffering and continuity and we actively choose suffering?
@@zolerii lots of ppl are already suffering, that's what your missing. Trump is the ONLY option we have in this rigged 2 party system offering the CHANCE at change, but its a risk for sure.
Trump - Hillary / Biden / Harris. The democrats claim to be educated people, not the hillbillies that support the republicans, yet they time and again have proven to be rather stupid in this regard by selecting truly horrible candidates
I think they're connected for sure and Trump wouldn't exist without the US 2-party system being unable to produce positive change for working class Americans, however... even with just the 2 choices there was one unfortunate one, and one irredeemable and inexcusable one. America chose to be irredeemable.
@@sieda666 And this is why we need more choices... And this is why honestly both political parties need new leaders who are younger and more adapt to the current political environment, that focus on American values rather than party values... Because we get a candidate who can barely articulate a goal because her stupid party chose an old incumbent who might or might not be still a good fit and finally decided five months before election day to withdraw and instead appoint Harris... Where none of the delegates were decided by voters but rather the party, so you get a lady who has a mediocre platform and doesn't separate herself from her current role. And then you get a candidate who is rather controversial and has been a meme since day one, who has rather creative techniques for running, calls people names and tears into personal lives of politicians, as well as maybe endorsing some chaos. He also has some actual experience in the leadership role and people have some idea of how he was previously, even beyond the January 6 chaos, there's just not much Harris had besides largely the Trump 2025 agenda and rather regular values. The good news is at least there's only two presidential terms, sure some fearmongers would shout and think he's gonna become dictator, but there was fearmongering about Hillary and Obama doing that and look at what happened... Democracy is still alive.
Great point. I haven't been enthused about a POTUS candidate since Reagan, and I was a naive college student during his first election. And Carter, despite being a fine man re ethics and intent, was NOT a good POTUS re economic results and inability to make good decisions. Sadly, this is something that makes me glad I'm getting old.
@007kingifrit Yeah, because months spent obsessing over Joe Biden's age and mental competence while ignoring or sane-washing Trump's obvious decline had absolutely no impact on the outcome. Or how about NYT editor Joe Kahn saying that defending democracy is "a partisan act"? Or when Trump spent 39 minutes swaying to music instead of answering questions at a so-called "town hall", and the NYT called it an "improvisational departure" from normal campaigning. Good to know what "negative coverage" really looks like.
@@KissMyFrog42 trump has no decline, there's nothing wrong with him. see this is why the sane washing is another dumb lefty buzzword. i just watched trump speak for 2 hours uninterrupted, in person, i can SEE he's mentally fine.
@@Moribus_Artibus I don’t think they’re referring to America’s collective self-interest. But that Americans largely think of their own individual self-interest.
Did you ever think maybe you are not who we are. The problem is not Mr Trump the problem is how terrible the candidates that the Democratic party gives us to vote for. You still do not understand and it's completely obvious. That you don't understand what happened last Tuesday
The Dems could have sent anything and it wouldn't have mattered. The only thing Americans want more than deportations, tariffs, educational censorship and football game politics is a double portion of those. A majority of Americans voted for this, so it's time to stop pretending it's some outlying sentiment.
Lol, it's not the sociopathic wannabe dictator but DEMOCRATS that are the problem. Complete untethered from reality, like the MAGA movement as a whole. And Trump supporters talking about "never learning" in 2024 is beyond parody.
It wasn't gender, it wasn't race, it wasn't age, it was CLASS. The people in this country that make between 30k and 75k decided this election. We're the majority, regardless of gender, race, or age. We've had enough of your identity politics. Everything the democratic party has done over the past year has felt manipulative, and people don't like feeling manipulated. And seeing the back-pedaling among dems over the last week has confirmed all of my notions. You guys knew, you knew the issues people actually cared about, but you didn't feel confident in your ability to convince voters that your position on those issues was better than Trump's, so instead you made it your mission to convince people that those weren't important issues. It's so transparent. I'm a plumber by the way, so I'm sure most of you won't "waste" your time talking to someone like me.
I agree with you completely being much more left than the dems! Class struggle in the face of a party that is doing nothing for workers is pretty dim. I do think Trumps policies will not help the working class however, but the democratic party should have been more vocal about working peoples struggles
The reason people won't waste their time talking to you is because you are a Trump supporter. You've thrown away your freedom, the freedom of women, and this democracy, to a billionaire that only wants to get out of jail and give more tax cuts to the rich. The guys making millions, if not billions, got you convinced that it's the people making 20k a year that is the problem. You'll suffer price doubling for the next four years while you'll have less social security, less work, and less protection. America's enemy will get stronger. Your wife, or daughter, or any women you care about in your life is more likely to be raped, is less likely to get justice, and won't be able to get an abortion, so she and you'll be taking care of your rapists child. It's a shame your fellow Americans will suffer the same. It's even more a shame that people decades in the future will suffer because of you. Congratulations, your voice has been heard.
@@daniellandry4226 you younger white progressives definitely have more of a whiteness problem than even your older liberal ancestors. The black working class understood the assignment. How is it that you didn't? Your dog whistle has been duly noted. By working class, you mean the aggrieved white working class that stopped voting for the Democrats in presidential elections shortly after passage of the civil rights legislation. White folks in this country have rejected universal healthcare 3 times: progressive Republican Teddy Roosevelt, liberal Democrat Harry Truman, conservative Democrat Bill Clinton. The reality is that your "class struggle" may actually be about race after all.
It appears the bubble of American exceptionalism is finally bursting. The urgent question that remains is whether this realization will arrive too late. Thanks for this great episode!
The bubble allegedly burst back in 2016, in fact many people said it but it seems y'all forgot the minute Biden got elected. Will the lesson stick this time or will you guys just go back to brunch if a Dem gets voted again and repeat this groundhog day ad infinitum or at least until someone puts your sorry party out of its misery.
Fascism is capitalism in decline. The question is, What will the electorate do when deporting illegals, raising tariffs, and gutting government departments improves absolutely nothing or makes everything worse?
I really hope the democrats continue with this higher than thou and more educated than thou tone and continue blaming everything on racism, sexism, and Putin. This is definitely a winning strategy
Perhaps if the US had a better functioning mainstream TV media instead of credulous, ratings-chasing access journalism practitioners, we wouldn't be here now. In 2015 and early 2016, the major networks stared at T's empty pre-rally lecterns for an hour at a time (accompanied by lightweight banter) rather than covering the full field of candidates or providing context on issues. That's not journalism ... it's a middle school lunch time cafeteria table.
Right. The 52% is far bigger. Those that voted for Trump have families in greater numbers than those that voted for Kamala. Fathers and mothers, married couples with 4 and 5 kids voted for Trump. If votes where transferred into family numbers as a total the win would be 65% + for Trump by family vote. Kamala did win the majority of atheist and those without children, a smaller group that represented in real human numbers than Trumps larger families.
Or the true occams razor is that nothing you believe is moral or legitimate and real Americans had to step up and shut down your psycho evil world view. Imagine being on the team that thinks feelings decide who is or isnt a man or woman. Get out of public life and get some therapy you psychotics.
The author of this podcast should consider that there’s a lot of luck in winning elections. He should also consider that there’s a large academic literature of how to predict presidential elections using only a few economic variables, presidential approval rating, and direction of the country. Also, in the American political system, the opposition presidential candidate often simply has to be present in order to take advantage of momentum to vote out the incumbent. My point: it would help to take a more analytical and scientific approach to see what variables Trump’s wins are because of him and which are simply coincidence. This year, for instance, there have been many elections in many countries. In only one country, Mexico, did the incumbent party either not lose power or lose seats. Also, no incumbent president has won re-election when a majority has said that the country is on the wrong track. So, it may help to take an historical look at the likelihood of incumbent president winning when inflation is high during his term. Or, when either illegal immigration was at a record high. Then, I’d look at the proportion of votes the opposition candidate received. This, then, will give a quantitative. likelihood of Trump winning and also how much his far-right views have either helped or hindered him. Another guess: it’s hurt him. Most countries, this year, had landslide victories for the opposition party. This would be the equivalent of winning 370 electoral votes and getting close to a filibuster proof majority bin the Senate. This clearly didn’t happen. I think his far-right view have hurt him and he’s also been very lucky.
Spot on - there's a wave sweeping across the planet. In times of profound change people seek comfort in a "daddy" figure that's going to make it all ok. That is where we are. But these strongmen never assuage the fear, the discomfort - what they do is create more of it because they don't have policies and solutions - they need the problem to stay alive - they do not want solutions. And that's what eventually face-plants them. Course everyone else face-plants before they do.
Are you kidding? Maybe Jordan Klepper can do that and get out alive. I'm not that tactful and I'm too old to learn. Voting for a billionaire Republican will save America? That's up there with Scientology and Shit Alex Jones Used To Say, for pure unbelievability. But nobody's been interested in what the other side's had to say for some time. Hoping the divorce will be somewhat amicable ("civil" might get people too excited.) If anyone can undo Lincoln's hard work, it's your-stable-genius-not-mine, buddy.
Thanks for not sugar coating this as many others have. Minority parents: Please explain to your children what has happened. For their own safety they need to understand the new country in which we now live.
"For their own safety" ...What does that even mean? Trump received RECORD SETTING support from Black Men and hispanic voters in this election. 'Minority Parents' are a huge reason he won so decisively!
The harris campaign admitting they received 1 billion in donations and came out of the campaign 20 million in debt in a span of 3 MONTHS is enough to show the people were right, she was the worse choice
It’s truly like he has never actually spoken with an everyday Trump voter. He treats them as some weird alien species and is so distraught about how morally bankrupt they supposedly are. Some of the kindest, most generous, and morally upstanding people I know pulled the lever for Trump.
I'm glad you noticed how annoyed the country is with your party; you of course may cope with more of this dismissive and clueless attitude that saw you lose in the first place.
@samuelwebb2404 Lack of recognizing that the democratic parties choices over the past 8 years has pushed independents away from them. The democratic party squashed their own popular movement. The only talking points I have heard from the left is that I am in some way a racist bigot, because I disagree with the overreach of their policies. I didn't even vote for T and was still called all of these names by democrats. Definitely didn't earn my vote.
@@samuelwebb2404 Maybe stop calling people who don't vote for who you like uneducated bigots and try to tell them that you want to help them so that your party will win. I'm not even American and all I see of your obvious left-leaning media outlets is that orange man bad and people who have even a slight doubt about your party to be morons. Not a good look.
so true and well said. Lines from Yeats' 'Second Coming' come to mind: "The best lack all conviction, while the worst / Are full of passionate intensity." Trump holds up a mirror in which Americans can look at themselves.
Could be but would Democrats go along governing with him? remember they had to cheat the primary in 2016 so that Hillary could win outright with super delegates even though Bernie won The majority of the vote count
As a guy in the balkans,what's the problem with "here"? I remember seeing some clip of a black dude yelling "bring trump back" a week after Biden won,due to gas prices IIRC,& people like him got what they wanted a day ago.
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb People are ridiculous that's all. They cry that democracy has fallen simply because a candidate was democratically chosen and they don't like him.
@@dokidelta1175 Donald already won ONCE,can these brats name 1 thing that has gotten worse in his 1st term,or a law that he deleted?Why are they acting like THIS SPECIFICALLY is going to end all freedom? Legit Derangement Syndrome.
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb The problem with "here" is that Trump winning benefits exactly nobody but himself and the allies he's used to pack the government. Gas prices are not going to reduce to pre-COVID costs, the price of eggs is not going to drop, the conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine are not going to magically resolve. None of that would have happened no matter which candidate we chose, because normally, change in the US's bureaucratic and legal systems is slow and difficult. But Trump winning also makes it more likely for women's reproductive rights to be taken away. Trump winning also makes it more likely for Russia to win their war. Trump winning also makes it more likely for our government to break down, as he and his VP are backed by (and run in the same circles as) a radical right wing group planning to push something called Project 2025 that partially touts a bunch of: - Impossible nonsense, like banning porn nation-wide and removing one of the 2 offices of the Department of Homeland Security. - Actual good suggestions, like taking the Chinese Communist Party more seriously + upping Taiwanese defense. But Project 2025 mostly plans on doing stuff like: - Removing any and all healthcare options for LGBT people (no matter what you believe of LGBT people, I think we can agree that leaving any citizens of your nation unable to get healthcare is a terrible move. Though there is a very good argument to be made that that's already currently happening because healthcare is so goddamn expensive that working and even middle class people are not guaranteed it without tanking their quality of life as a result). - Reverting our current depoliticized civil service act (look up Pendleton Act of 1883) so it once again becomes possible to hire government staff based on not their abilities and merits but instead on what their political beliefs are. This is not good for obvious reasons, and this change will not reflect well no matter which party is currently in control of the White House. In short, people didn't vote Kamala because they saw her as a candidate who provided no path towards change. I agree that voting Trump will provide us change, yes, but based on his track record and the people he surrounds himself with, probably not a positive one.
When Bill Clinton instituted a policy of Globalism, the industrial Midwest lost it's future. Rural areas became ghost towns.People's children moved away. This has been a constant and obvious decline leading to the death of hundreds of thousands of communities. Meanwhile, the democrats spent decades congratulating themselves that this situation was excellent because it promoted the greater good of all mankind (and of course was helpful for the corporate donor class). So although your small town in Nebraska has lost most of its businesses and the children are moving away, that's O.K. because it has raised the standard of living for millions of Chinese. It doesn't really effect the political class, their kids still go to ivy league schools and get to choose "careers". And the outside world is a better place! But throughout the Midwest and the lower class enclaves of the coastal regions, people can't afford to send their kids to college, they see little future, because the people they voted for decided it was more important to raise living standards abroad.
@@Trekki200Reagan started it and it has been defended by democrats ever since ! Trump may not be the correct vessel for anti neo liberalism but its a start! Democrats can continue to side with the oligarchy or go back to FDR! Biden may have started doing that but too little too late
@@Trekki200 I think historians define the beginning of the US's embrace of globalism with Nixon opening up trade with China in the 70s. Clinton was just riding the Reaganomics wave as it was immensely popular among the people who just voted to destroy it, realizing they were the losers all along. They did it to themselves.
I think Trump was normal for longer. The Apprentice film, I gather, finds poignant links between Trump’s character and American foreign policy. Essentially, we as saddened Americans need to seek our better angels and cultivate the American virtues as individuals; and eventually establish a bill of American duties or obligations, so they are no longer merely implied, so that we might become worthy of honorable representatives again.
this is a liberal dumb take. in the Midwest, voted for trump 3 times, never watched one episode of the Apprentice show, never bought any of his dumb books or steaks or attended his University, LOL. He represents a possibility of real change, that's it, We are tired of liberals lecturing to us we "just don't understand" about the border and the economy and it actually is working for us bc we all know that BS..
@bobcouch937 You didn’t understand my comment. I’m not talking about The Apprentice tv show; I’m talking about the new Trump Biopic in theaters called The Apprentice.
@@bobcouch937It’s insane how upside down all of what you said is. Trump could not and cannot make your economic or immigration “situation” Amy easier for you. You yourself have to do that. The President has nothing to do with rising inflation. Trump proposes blanket tariffs that will actually raise prices for American consumers, instead of promoting manufacturing. He thinks “mass deportation” (fascist shit) is a solution to mass immigration (which is actually a non-issue and helps reduce prices if anything). In short, he ONLY says what an audience he can convince wants to hear. He just wants immunity from his crimes, and to bolster his own wealth and name. It is oligarchy 101.
Trump had 74,222,958 votes in 2020 but Biden won with 81,283,098. In 2024 Trump won about 2,500,000 more votes than in the previous election, but Harris had 74,197,726 votes, the Democratic candidate lost a bit less than 7,000,000 votes. Only 2,500,000 of these went for Trump. That doesn’t make for such a wide change in the definition of the nation. It just means that more than four million voters abandoned the democratic bid for president.
anti-trump people are a minority. he is right, this is what america wants. racist, money driven, isolationist, environmental disinterested, diversity prejudice and hateful white supremacy. he is right will we will accommodate and self care
Agree. However, IMHO, the title should be "Stop Pretending Trump Is Not who Half Of Us Are" I will hold that his behavior, rhetoric and persona is not right nor acceptable.
If you judge by proud ingnorance alone, he is their worthy King. I'm a little surprised by the immorality trait being so appealing though, from the Law and Order party. But that gets trumped by hating the right people.
I'm an urban nurse and activist. I voted for Hillary and was so afraid of "right wing extremists" and what I saw as delusions on the right, I joined some groups to get a handle on it and maybe add some support and guidance. This was in 2017. By 2019 I was fully ready to talk to them personally and a friend who supported Bernie was now supporting Trump. We met for a beer. 2020, I was so unhappy with what I was seeing, I didn't vote. As someone who grew up helping democrats and know many in MN, this was unlike me. I started challenging my biases and watching independent media. I found evidence that none of these things I was seeing was actually delusional but had strong elements of truth. By 2022 I was so mad the MSM lied to me and I talked with more former Bernie supporters now in MAGA. 2023, I was so happy I was wrong about MAGA. After 35 years of advocacy for the democrats I voted a full red ticket for the first time in my life. My parents run non profits giving free mental health care to immigrants and go to Walz's church. I am an artist, a pianist and an academic. Your challenge is to figure out why I feel this way. I will never, ever vote for another democrat again. I absolutely love the red ticket, and I can promise you - a lot of what you are seeing is strategy from the Trump team and mischaracterizations by the media. You have nothing to worry about. We are now a working class super majority and a full realignment is in play. My kids are mixed and they are super excited about a Trump presidency. I work detox and urban community nursing and I am seeing a lot of people come to the realization that we were lied to by the media.
it's only some of us. if the numbers were correct, less then half of registered voters chose him much less would have if they were paying attention to what he and his minions said they wanted to do. they were distracted by twaddle
Trumps flaws have flaws, he is the "Picasso of pettiness" he has no competence, no soul, no class, no wisdom, no self awareness, no humility, no grace, no warmth, no honor, no character, no principles, no compassion. Trump makes Nixon look brilliant and trustworthy, and "dubya" look smart. He is as artless as a pet rock, about as intelligent, and less curious. And over half of america gave him an overwhelming all of govt. majority and a mandate to do everything he and his minions promised he would. This country is now completely fucked..this disgusting asshole now represents all of america to the universe not by accident...but with intent. And the rest of the world is next.
Seeing things from your perspective really opens our eyes to just how off the rails you are. Maybe consider a psychiatrist-you might still be saved with some early intervention. (I'm not an American)
@@desmondkwang5945: So only your opinion could possibly be valid. /s Without even attempting to back it up with thought or logic. /s Just like flat earthers. Congrats, I suppose.
@@DARS_04 these lazy points are just subjective and emotional insults and can be used against Biden as well. So the only thing they convey is that both candidates suck. You can't seriously talk trash if every single point applies to "your guy". "no competence" - Biden's lack of competence led to wars staring and the economy only being "good" for rich people "no soul, no class" - falling asleep during speeches and being held in a basement lest he says something dumb shows a lack of soul or mind, maybe both "no wisdom" - he thought he would win the election even after the debate. Nuff said. Or he blindly trusted his sycophants. Or he didn't decide anything. His handling of foreign affairs was abysmal, tens of thousands died due to his spineless decisions to "avoid escalation" which actually made things worse. He didn't help his allies (giving them just enough aid so they didn't immediately die, but not enough for success and leaving them vulnerable to aid being cut off by the next guy). Even now he's scared of doing anything and he still doesn't understand that Obama's appeasement style doesn't work. "no self awareness" - zzzz during speeches, gaffes, ect, "no humility" - he didn't step aside and let a more competent person run. If you think it was his decision, that shows a big lack of humility "no warmth" - Biden has some warmth, I'll give him that. like and old grandpa who doesn't want to give up the keys. He's soft, quiet - which is why world leaders didn't respect him. "no honor, no character" - again, didn't step aside and made it impossible for any other outcome. Endorsing Kamala was the final nail and killed any chance of an open primary. Maybe he did that as revenge to his party. "no look smart" - yeah, Biden no look smart for sure "He is as artless as a pet rock, about as intelligent, and less curious" - everything applies to Biden. He's soft, uninspiring, weak and is basically the same as Obama and Clinton. There are no counter arguments because there were no arguments made
He is not who we ALL are. He is what 50.3% of America is. Not that it matters. Those 50.3% got what they wanted and will decide what the 48.1% will get -- good or bad. Probably bad.
Stop stroking yourselves that the public is somehow deficient in electing Trump. They didn't like what you were selling more than they didn't like what he was selling.
After decades of neglect by news media of systemic defects in our institutions, problems have grown to the point where a demagogue is able to find traction. When institutions fail, we revert to tribalism. A commitment to primary values would motivate a demand that the market operate honestly. We would see fees charged to industries proportional to emissions, resource extraction and habitat destruction. A commitment to Fairness would motivate us to share the proceeds from environmental impact fees to all people. We could describe this as a system that respects PUBLIC as well as PRIVATE property rights--particularly if we set the fees *just high enough* to bring impacts on the environment of various kinds into line with what most people in a random poll say is acceptable. No news reports tell us what policy change would allow us to embody respect for Truth, Fairness and democratic principles. News reports ignore systemic solutions to systemic problems.
Thank the DNC elites. They championed Biden and squashed all party opposition to him. When his polling numbers remained stuck below Trump’s they decided, for the first time ever to have a presidential debate before the Democratic Party convention. They knew Biden would fail and this gave them the cover they needed to hand pick another candidate. Given how abysmal Harris did in the 2020 Democrat primary one has to wonder why the party thought she’d win a general election. The ancients Greeks would call this Hubris.
@@armymarshal13it's literally the truth. Listen, if Republicans actually embrace Democratic policies, I will rejoice. I am not holding out hope, based on experience, however
@VexylObby that's hard to claim, seeing that 99% of celebrities actually endorsed Harris, which is a terrible sign. It went from "Hitler is running for president" to "ah we will get them next time". They told you biden was well and running laps around the white house. They literally took the vp that every media polled, including cnn, was the worst candidate possible, and gaslit her with billions of dollars in order to try and push her through. And last, it's why Republicans won the white house, senate, and the house of representatives.
Left wing propaganda machine is BreakThrough News, Deprogram, TheCradle, etc. The NYT has done more to help Republicans than you will ever care to know.
@@ThePilot3332 Except in this case one person is being being critical about misinformation. Any view opposing Trump insanity is NOT necessarily left wing. Articles and pieces like this have valuable and supported points against the Trump cult.
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Years ago a colleague quipped, “I don’t want a government that’s honest and fair. I want one biased in my favor.” Everybody laughed, probably because it’s the unacceptable truth many of us feel but try to overcome when we vote.
You're naive to think government should be fair. Politics is not fair, it is a struggle. It's this silly naivete is why I lost faith in the Democrats, just wishcasting and delusion.
@@homofloridensis i want a fair government, i just don’t think democrats run the government in a fair way. I feel that they just do a good job of hiding their lies and bias.
Finally a commentator gets it. We have seen the garbage, and the garbage is us.
that does not bode well.
that attitude would align with manmade climate change, antinatalism, and degrowth in general.
if a sizeable population believes that, we're in for some sort of reckoning
@@Joe-sg9ll Funny how anti-natalists and Malthusians want to reduce the population, but never want to be the population reduced.
well i'm happy who think i'm garbage didn't get what they wanted. F you and say hi to president trump, and hopefully we do away with this silly democracy stuff altogether and make his son emperor
@@007kingifrit pop quiz who issued more permits for domestic oil drilling, Biden or Trump?
I really dislike that attitude of self-insulting and self-disparaging many people share on the left. There are many things we (as a centrist and Harris voter I include myself here) should do to regain the popular vote, and avoiding self disqualifications is definitely one of them. Conservatives absolutely hate that.
"As democracy is perfected, the office of the president reflects, more and more, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain people will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned with a downright moron."
- H. L. Menken
And here we are.
But Kamala lost
So true xister
@@suds7103Which actually confirms the truth of the quote 😀
@@paulaoh5306 The moron lost the election.
Wow - nailed it, and us. Well, the majority of us.
Yeah. Its like when there's a school shooting and they say "this is not who we are" and everyone on the planet is like "nah, it is who you are" 😅
So 350 million people just get lumped into the school shooter category? Wow
@matthewjudge3763 It's your culture. Guns, violence, racism, war, and greed. For a country that was founded on genocide and built on war and oppression a few hundred murdered school kids is a drop in a bloody ocean.
I've an American cousin, crying that he can't understand how anyone could vote for a convicted felon while he voted for someone doing a genocide 😆😆😆
@@matthewjudge3763liberals just can’t help themselves
Oy Vey! 😂
If you keep tolerating it, then yes, it is your identity and so is the bigot you all just elected.
As a parent, it's really fun to raise children telling them their actions have consequences when the country as a whole just elected someone who has never been punished or faced consequences for his actions.
And has never worked or achieved in life.
@@daveed4475 what a load of BS. He has earn his wealth many times over. Lost huge fortunes and earned it all back.
What actions? IF you are talking about the phony criminal cases brought by corrupt Leftwing Bidon followers that are baseless. you need a lesson or 50 in law.
@@emptydesire3 blah blah blah.
@@biggseye he went bankrupt running a casino. The man's a grifter.
Looking at it from the UK, the key problem the Democrats had with Trump was that for almost a decade (since 2015) is that he has dominated the public sphere and set the terms of the debate. Everyone (news channels, establishment Republicans and Dems) was always reactive towards Trump and what he said rather than proactive. He always held the initiative and went where he wanted to go, everyone else just followed him.
He's a live player
Thanks to the Ruzzian political technology. That can't be discounted.
I don't disagree. Mainstream US media danced along the line of sensationalism and rumor peddling because anything Trump gets attention and it often eclipsed more responsible and in-depth analysis - always allowing him to control the narrative and bury the actual facts behind walls of reactionary opinion.
A bit too simplistic. Trump was almost out of the picture for a while with DeSantis as the heir apparent and donors lining up.
@@OneAdam12AdamRussia Russia Russia! Is that you, Rachel Madcow?
Trump is the guy who we see in the mirror when no one else is looking. He rhetoric is the conversation that happens in private, but hasn’t always been polite to utter in public. Now, we are permitted to say all of those things, and contemplate those plans.
Maybe he's who YOU see in the mirror. He opposes everything I stand for, and stands for everything I oppose.
“What is more normal than a thing that keeps happening?” 😞
insanity
Trump was in the right place at the right time: when an economy that was in aggregate doing well was the cause of misery for many working class people for whom inflation smashed their real standards of living...something their non-existent Bitcoin/Nvidia etc investment portfolios can't alleviate. Virtually all incumbent governments during this past few years have taken big hits and rewarded parties seen as the opposite of who was in charge.
America has moved to the right, but not so much by informed choice as by impoverished desperation.
A guy calls in to howard stern days before the election advocating for trump, and his reason was because he lost his job. 😂😂😂😂
Impoverished desperation? Well, these people ain't seen nothing yet.
America was changing because of income inequality. It started with Reagan and has continued to grow. The middle class is being hollowed out. The wealthy are richer than ever. Bernie Sanders has been calling it out for decades. Republicans are to blame. They don’t care about the working class. People don’t see it. They just hang on to the divisive rhetoric and blame immigrants and others. Republicans are screwing you and you voted for it.
Can't speak for everyone else...but the Biden administration very much fucked it up. From telling people to stay home when we needed to open up like Trump said, trying to force people to get the jab to try to "announce independence from covid" only to be hit with delta, to rushing out of Afghanistan while people got run over clinging onto the airplane. Democrats proved they don't have a candidate that is electable nor know what they're doing. Putting weekend at Bernies in the white house and trying to gas light the American people saying he's sharp as a tack...you guys fucked up
Lol. Wages at the bottom of the ladder almost doubled. Under Trump I was pulling a fuel tanker for $18/hr, Today most gas station clerks make $17/hr. American working and serving class is a disgrace. Do not attempt to legitimize the disgrace American working people have become.
The democrats kept saying: he is not an everyday man, he's the elite, a billionaire. But: he doesn't act presidential or like a regular, composed billionaire of the elite; he acts like some poor guy just won the lottery and got put into office as the president. So he's the perfect avatar for the people who fell disenfranchised and powerless as a power-fantasy. He is also a narcissist; and we all know that, below the over-confident facade, narcissists are riddled with fear, and this resonates well with the average Trump voter, who see their jobs being lost due to globalism, and thus fears everything coming from outside, or even their own countrymen, seen by the urge to arm oneself to the teeth, or to believe any lie about immigrants.
cope
@@JessieThorne886 I am so glad I am no longer brainwashed by the left. Why do you think our country is struggling??
I'll agree to that if you will agree that the press continually trying to normalize Trump and his circus of hate, made it easier and more palatable for a great many Americans to vote for him.
No, nononono! The Press is above repraoch- but he PLEBES need to know who they are, and thus we shall tell them
@@Sephiroth144Sarcasm?
@@hellogoodbyeagain Sarcasm or verbalizing what some people in the Press apparently think. (I mean, not a part of the Press myself, so that "we" is pretty weighted.)
Cancel ya
"Wah wah! Stop 'normalising' Trump! Just demonise him some more, then the American people will turn against him!"
You've tried demonisation to 99.99%, not sure going to 100% gets you anywhere more.
Americans' opinion of themselves seems to be finally catching on to the opinion most of the world has had of them for a long time now
Where have you been in the world that the people there had a low opinion of Americans? I’ve met some that have had criticisms of policies of the U.S. government, but rarely low opinions of the U.S. people. In fact, the vast majority I met had admiration and respect for Americans.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, maybe that’s what you came across.
@@everyman1013I grew up an American citizen in Ireland in the 70s and 80s. Americans were stereotyped as loud mouthed ignoramuses, because they were brash, positive of their own supremacy in the world. They had been fed the narrative that American exceptionalism set them apart in a good way. They knew nothing about anything happening outside of the US. Seems like half the country has evolved, while the other half is regressing. Thank goodness for States' Rights
@everyman1013 Most of Europe, SA, certainly in China and Asia. It's been a long time since I've ever heard anyone express admiration for the U.S. or american people as a whole.
I have American friends. Americans can be friendly. Most people will be polite. You wouldn't really get up in someone's face about this, and it'd be super rude.
I'm not referring to individual people, I'm referring to the thing as a whole.
You also can't forget the U.S. is still a superpower, and it is judged as such, and so are the Americans in the way they conduct themselves in this capacity. There are a number of responsibilities this entails if you want allies, but a heck of a lot more benefits. (E.g. the dollar, the amount of freedom other countries give your tech companies, FOBs in every crack on earth)
I haven't come across anyone in a long time who had a favoral view of Americans (general). At most, it's a resigned view, but certainly not what it was even a couple of decades ago. Trump really is the apt avatar for your nation.
@@everyman101320+ years ago mockery of the stupidity of American people was a staple of Russian standup comedy. Watching interviews of maga Trumpers on TH-cam, I must admit that Russian fiction is so lame and childish compared to the darkness of American reality.
@bluetoast8584 Care or not, American image is probably #1 American product. American image sales are dwindling, you will have to adjust to the new reality.
NY Times is, as usual, late in recognizing this.
If only the writers would see what average Americans are like.
As a wise scientist once said, "I don't want to live on this planet anymore."
That does not sound wise
Ok bye
Nobody with common sense does
@jeremysmith9694 Jeremy I've hired Boeing to build the spacecraft we're good to go.
@@josephtaylor9081 "Beam me up, Scotty. There's no intelligent life here."
The joke is on us now.
The voters have chosen Trump. They should be forced to endure his term, regardless of the pain it causes. Democrats, in particular, should not lead any effort to remove him from office, Republicans should be forced to own him and be forced to remove him, if the pain gets bad enough. Voters need to learn a lesson.
Two things I thought of on Wednesday morning of the 6th.
1. The observation of years ago that Americans think they're the rebels in Star Wars when they're actually the Empire
2. I decided the most important thing for me to do was to be as nice as I can to as many as I can. Be generous, be kind, be tolerant, be compassionate, for, to paraphrase a King, only light can defeat the darkness; only love can defeat hate.
Yes it is who you are. The USA has been a racist country since the beginning. And the racism runs very very deep. It is how millions of Americans are
If Democrats want working class voters, they need to focus on working class issues. People dont give a shit about LGBT policy if they can't afford a house, education, healthcare, or food. Chalking it up to bigotry and racism is what got Democrats here in the first place. Look at all long term statistics, housing is expensive, education is expensive, wealth inequality is high, and median wages stagnated since the 70s. People have real grievances, and Democrats have ignored them for so long, that theyre willing to support a bigot like Trumo not because they're bigots, but because they're more angry at the left than they are repulsed by Trumps personality. He at least diagnosis the peoblem, although his solutions are incorrect.
So, broadly speaking, yes, Democrats need to focus more on working class issues. But I don't understand why working class voters give Trump and company the benefit of the doubt. Sure, Trump plays up grievances, but what even are the solutions he purports to offer? Tariffs? Mass deportations? Tax cuts for the rich? Those are in no way going to help with the cost of living, and in fact they should aggravate the problem. So what gives?
And what do you think effective Democratic messaging on these issues would look like? Harris did have some economic populism proposals in her pitch, "opportunity economy," housing subsidy, loan forgiveness, etc. Not to mention an actual healthcare plan, as opposed to "concepts of a plan." Why do you think it didn't resonate?
@@samuelwebb2404 It's because to some, the tariffs and deportations of illegals is more appealing than the alternative, which is completely ignoring these issues. It's a mistake the German centrists did which is why we see AfD rising, and now it's happening here, because Democrats can't admit that a portion of their power and voter base wants to import millions of their kinfolk to demographically damage this country.
@@samuelwebb2404 It how he frames his ideas. When he mentions tax cuts he says he's cutting them for everybody. When he mentions immigration, he mentions he's doing something drastic about it immediately (mass deportations), etc. He frames them in a way that it makes sense to his base and that shows urgency. I've always found interesting how everyone's response is "but what he means is" reading other stuff into what he has actually espoused.
The contrast to this was a candidate who publicly stated multiple times that not much would change from what was already being done right now. Seen from that lens, it's pretty easy to see that at the very least Trump represented a change for them (which if you're disaffected with status quo can be seen as a better option).
@@lammyjammer6670Scott Adams would say that Trump exaggerates and bullshits while being “directionally correct”. So, basically, America gets and likes the gist of his message.
Thing is, significant portion of Americans have the perception that minorities only care about racism, gay people only care about lgbt issues, women only care about feminism and sexism etc. So they come to believe the party that has traditionally attracted people from these groups (Democratic) is also focused _solely_ on those issues. Ironically, growing numbers of people from those aforementioned groups also believe this, believing "bad apples" acting within the Democratic Party are making everything about inequality.
I agree that Democrats too often do not deliver on their policies, however I'd disagree that their policies do not focus working-class issues, at least not anymore than Republicans. Both parties tend to be most vocal about the issues that clearly contrast to the opposition lest they seem too similar to their opponents. For Democrats it's climate change, lgbt rights, abortion rights and gun control. For Republicans it's border control, 2nd amendment protection and de-regulation.
Warning: Incoming poorly structured rant about why the economic, social, and cultural conditions were right for working class people to vote for trump, I personally am not from the US and personally do not like or support him, but recognise that blaming everything on the culture wars (abortion, race etc) is not an adequate explanation for his re-election
the ^(Number) things are supposed to be footnotes, but most of them are longer than the main point and far more in depth.
there is a TLDR if you need it
If you think I am wrong about anything (which I probably am because I'm talking about a country I'm not from then please correct me)
What a surprise, being unable to functionally curb the power and excesses of capitalism because you are funded and controlled by the capitalists (both parties) leads to hatred and disillusionment with establishment politics, causing working class people greatly affected by the enormous wealth inequality and globalisation^1, but unable to perceive the exploitive and undemocratic system they live under^2 due to the media^3 and the culture it creates creating the impression that other problems are to blame^4, like immigration^5 and high taxes on the rich^6 ,to be drawn to a man who has such charisma and such powerful populist rhetoric that he can make the richest single man in the world a member of his cabinet and no one will comment the enormous conflict of interest this represents despite the fact that one of, if not THE most important issues for trump voters was the economy if they didn't vote on social policy and still be perceived as an anti-establishment wrecking ball because the material conditions for people in America are really bad and getting worse.
1^ Which is a form of exploitation for both people within the core and outer layer of the global economy, places in the US such as the rust belt or the current state of UK's north exist because corporations found industrial production more profitable in outer layer countries primarily due to the amazingly cheap wages you can pay people in these countries, which is bad for both core ( lose out on jobs and become impoverished) and outer layers (paid a pittance for their labour and are still as impoverished as before) but they follow the cold logic of profit so they don't care about the damage it causes.
2^ Think; why do workers not have a democratic say in what goes on in their workplaces? Why do rich elites consistently get away with unbelievable crimes that would leave working class people in prison for life or executed?
3^ Another form of business that knows it's interests lie in preventing anti-capitalist thought otherwise they will not be able to maintain their current position of social and economic power, always remember who's economic interests the news is always biased towards, though I admit they can go any way with societal issues because the ruling class that controls media is not united on those, there are meaningful differences in how for example the LGBT community is portrayed on the British Broadcasting Corporation vs Fox News. Importantly news is rarely actually made up but are framed in a way that twists perspective or sometimes simply not shown at all.
4^ Though more people are waking up to the fact that the interests of business are not in any way aligned with the interests of working people, however many do not fully understand what the interests of business actually are (Hint: it's the profit motive and everything else they do flows from there, even seemingly charitable work is done to obfuscate their wrongdoings and preventing consumers from boycotting them against profitable (Read: immoral ) practices, example: Nestle).
5^ Immigration is only an economic problem until you collaborate with the migrants against bosses to keep your wages despite the influx in the labour market which should increase supply while demand stays the same which of course would otherwise create lower prices for labour/wages , which is why capitalists are both the ones encouraging immigration through overexploitation of third-world countries and the ones encouraging the demonisation of migrants looking for higher wages in first-world countries , so they can get lower wages in the core AND periphery and therefore increase profits in both areas. Also petty crime or street-level violent crime scales very closely with economic status, it's abut your material conditions not where you're from, so by demonizing migrants you can prevent the existing social groups from collaborating with them, leading to the migrants taking on cheap work due to lack of support and collective power to get higher wages, leading to the continuation of poverty and crime, and through the crime they commit because they are in poverty you can demonise them further to prevent collective action and so on and so forth all in the name of cheaper labour costs and higher profits regardless of the harm this does to all sorts of people on an economic and societal level, again remember the cold logic of profit.
6^ Funny how its always the rich telling you that taxes on them are bad for you isn't it? before someone responds with "but the increased taxes cause the cost of production to increase, thus necessitating an increase in price that hurts the consumer, meaning the potential gain from social welfare is offset" which while a fair and reasonable argument from an economic perspective, is also assumes that companies should hurt workers instead of the already-wealthy shareholders of large companies
TLDR: both parties make things worse economically for working people because they are both in the pockets of business but trump has charisma, populist rhetoric ( There's a reason Bernie Sanders was cheered on Fox News by the audience) and a base that almost worships him, convincing some sections of the working class he will benefit their positions even when his actual policies are still as oriented towards big and little business as ever.
TLDRTLDR: fuck both democrats and republicans, neither are the party of working people, both are playing you like suckers along with the rich and powerful.
Stop pretending you speak for 300 million people +
At least 70 million of us do not align with Trump.
Trump got 75 million votes. Your puppet got 65.
Except we are the minority now. This is not fair. I want to be with the majority and have the majority on my side as a black woman. Why didn’t people vote for my rights?
@@DonnaChamberson cuz they want cheaper eggs. Which the president has absolutely no control over. Sorry, they sold you out over eggs.
At least 10 million more than that, but they were also too lazy to show up to vote. Trump didn't pull over that many swing votes, he got about the same amount of votes this time as he did in 2020. The difference was how many anti-Trump voters just did not bother to vote this time. It is actually a perfect analogy to what happened in 2016. Voter apathy slayed the Democrats, and they let it happen to themselves.
@@sohu86xthey sold her eggs for their own eggs…
He’s not who *we* are, he’s who a bare majority of us are. I, for one, reject being locked in by that ‘we’ word. We of the 48% are Americans too.
agreed
@weironiottan7166 Then youre part of those people who voted for Kamala just because shes a woman and black. These are the real morons.
"we" live in a republic democracy dude, 50.1% IS what we are.
I really hate disagreeing with this take, but I ultimately place blame on all of us, even myself. I have never voted for Trump, but I believe the social ties of our society bind our fates together.
Collectively, we voted for the candidate who promised to hurt us. Collectively, we decided to burn the house down with us trapped inside. Bad times are coming our way, and thanks to those societal binds, I believe we collectively deserve the pain Trump inflicts upon us.
Please note that I don't *want* anybody to suffer, but what can I do when we collectively have a choice between suffering and continuity and we actively choose suffering?
@@zolerii lots of ppl are already suffering, that's what your missing. Trump is the ONLY option we have in this rigged 2 party system offering the CHANCE at change, but its a risk for sure.
I think a better insight into who we are is why these were our two choices.
Trump - Hillary / Biden / Harris. The democrats claim to be educated people, not the hillbillies that support the republicans, yet they time and again have proven to be rather stupid in this regard by selecting truly horrible candidates
I think they're connected for sure and Trump wouldn't exist without the US 2-party system being unable to produce positive change for working class Americans, however... even with just the 2 choices there was one unfortunate one, and one irredeemable and inexcusable one. America chose to be irredeemable.
@@sieda666 And this is why we need more choices... And this is why honestly both political parties need new leaders who are younger and more adapt to the current political environment, that focus on American values rather than party values... Because we get a candidate who can barely articulate a goal because her stupid party chose an old incumbent who might or might not be still a good fit and finally decided five months before election day to withdraw and instead appoint Harris... Where none of the delegates were decided by voters but rather the party, so you get a lady who has a mediocre platform and doesn't separate herself from her current role.
And then you get a candidate who is rather controversial and has been a meme since day one, who has rather creative techniques for running, calls people names and tears into personal lives of politicians, as well as maybe endorsing some chaos. He also has some actual experience in the leadership role and people have some idea of how he was previously, even beyond the January 6 chaos, there's just not much Harris had besides largely the Trump 2025 agenda and rather regular values.
The good news is at least there's only two presidential terms, sure some fearmongers would shout and think he's gonna become dictator, but there was fearmongering about Hillary and Obama doing that and look at what happened... Democracy is still alive.
Great point. I haven't been enthused about a POTUS candidate since Reagan, and I was a naive college student during his first election. And Carter, despite being a fine man re ethics and intent, was NOT a good POTUS re economic results and inability to make good decisions.
Sadly, this is something that makes me glad I'm getting old.
Thx Merrick Garland for wasting time.......hope you are proud......
Mr Lawfare himself. There must be a banana republic that would take him in.
Hey, New York Times, maybe stop pretending you didn't actively enable this.
they didn't, all their coverage of trump was negative, i don't know how far left you need to be to think this is reasonable
@007kingifrit Yeah, because months spent obsessing over Joe Biden's age and mental competence while ignoring or sane-washing Trump's obvious decline had absolutely no impact on the outcome.
Or how about NYT editor Joe Kahn saying that defending democracy is "a partisan act"?
Or when Trump spent 39 minutes swaying to music instead of answering questions at a so-called "town hall", and the NYT called it an "improvisational departure" from normal campaigning.
Good to know what "negative coverage" really looks like.
@@KissMyFrog42 trump has no decline, there's nothing wrong with him. see this is why the sane washing is another dumb lefty buzzword.
i just watched trump speak for 2 hours uninterrupted, in person, i can SEE he's mentally fine.
@@007kingifrit Ooookay.
The only interest that matters in America is self-interest.
Don't lump together the Democrats with the Republicans.
It is well known that Democrats support helping others in their words, deeds and pocket books.
This is the saddest comment so far.
That's every country, "Countries have no friends, only interests" - De Gaulle
@@Moribus_Artibus I don’t think they’re referring to America’s collective self-interest. But that Americans largely think of their own individual self-interest.
@@narrator-timothymckean yea if you think this comment is sad you're poorly educated
Did you ever think maybe you are not who we are. The problem is not Mr Trump the problem is how terrible the candidates that the Democratic party gives us to vote for. You still do not understand and it's completely obvious. That you don't understand what happened last Tuesday
Bingo
Please wise ones, please explain your comment.
Which Democratic candidate wanted a 20% tariff? I don't understand your comparison here. Please explain.
The Dems could have sent anything and it wouldn't have mattered. The only thing Americans want more than deportations, tariffs, educational censorship and football game politics is a double portion of those. A majority of Americans voted for this, so it's time to stop pretending it's some outlying sentiment.
Lol, it's not the sociopathic wannabe dictator but DEMOCRATS that are the problem. Complete untethered from reality, like the MAGA movement as a whole. And Trump supporters talking about "never learning" in 2024 is beyond parody.
It wasn't gender, it wasn't race, it wasn't age, it was CLASS. The people in this country that make between 30k and 75k decided this election. We're the majority, regardless of gender, race, or age. We've had enough of your identity politics. Everything the democratic party has done over the past year has felt manipulative, and people don't like feeling manipulated. And seeing the back-pedaling among dems over the last week has confirmed all of my notions. You guys knew, you knew the issues people actually cared about, but you didn't feel confident in your ability to convince voters that your position on those issues was better than Trump's, so instead you made it your mission to convince people that those weren't important issues. It's so transparent. I'm a plumber by the way, so I'm sure most of you won't "waste" your time talking to someone like me.
I agree with you completely being much more left than the dems! Class struggle in the face of a party that is doing nothing for workers is pretty dim. I do think Trumps policies will not help the working class however, but the democratic party should have been more vocal about working peoples struggles
The reason people won't waste their time talking to you is because you are a Trump supporter. You've thrown away your freedom, the freedom of women, and this democracy, to a billionaire that only wants to get out of jail and give more tax cuts to the rich. The guys making millions, if not billions, got you convinced that it's the people making 20k a year that is the problem.
You'll suffer price doubling for the next four years while you'll have less social security, less work, and less protection. America's enemy will get stronger. Your wife, or daughter, or any women you care about in your life is more likely to be raped, is less likely to get justice, and won't be able to get an abortion, so she and you'll be taking care of your rapists child.
It's a shame your fellow Americans will suffer the same. It's even more a shame that people decades in the future will suffer because of you.
Congratulations, your voice has been heard.
Consider the Democratic Socialists of America. Maybe there's a chapter near you that you can join.
@@daniellandry4226 you younger white progressives definitely have more of a whiteness problem than even your older liberal ancestors. The black working class understood the assignment. How is it that you didn't? Your dog whistle has been duly noted. By working class, you mean the aggrieved white working class that stopped voting for the Democrats in presidential elections shortly after passage of the civil rights legislation. White folks in this country have rejected universal healthcare 3 times: progressive Republican Teddy Roosevelt, liberal Democrat Harry Truman, conservative Democrat Bill Clinton. The reality is that your "class struggle" may actually be about race after all.
Do you believe a billionaire who was given everything and worked for none of it has your interests in mind?
It appears the bubble of American exceptionalism is finally bursting. The urgent question that remains is whether this realization will arrive too late.
Thanks for this great episode!
The bubble allegedly burst back in 2016, in fact many people said it but it seems y'all forgot the minute Biden got elected. Will the lesson stick this time or will you guys just go back to brunch if a Dem gets voted again and repeat this groundhog day ad infinitum or at least until someone puts your sorry party out of its misery.
You still don't know why you lost.Wow in No self reflection at all. Keep the same attitude. 😂 I know you can do better new york times
They literally can't until goes up there and makes some, "executive decisions".
@@antiroman458 aslong as they draw breath our liberal elites will not learn their true place beneath our boots
You should pay someone to make you a logo with proper circles and semi-circles instead of those crude polygons.
I think the NYT can afford designers, so we have to consider this a deliberate styling decision
I hate you for pointing this out because now it bothers me
No concept of art, huh?
Way to focus on what's at all important. /s
Speak for yourself NYT
Y’all are so out of touch, it’s really kinda sad……
Fascism is capitalism in decline. The question is, What will the electorate do when deporting illegals, raising tariffs, and gutting government departments improves absolutely nothing or makes everything worse?
Blame woke whatever.
no, its really not. and all of those things will improve our lives
All of that will help except tariffs.
@@olliecherpuzi5045 Can’t be any worse than the past 4 years
@@brooklyn17rm It can always get worse, and it's about to
You don’t know for sure why people voted for DJT.
Many many many reasons
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1:58 "Enough voters, in enough places"........He literally won the popular vote.
Which is scarier. That’s just voters that turned out, too.
Which doesn't cancel his point. Our system is based on "enough voters, in enough places".
@@josegaspar813 maybe it's for equality and inclusion? Imagine if the UN voted using the popular vote.
Indeed. Whatever happened to the missing 14 million who had voted for Biden in 2020? 🤔
Yes. Please stop pretending. You of all people need to hear this the most.
My view too. Trump is who americans are in reality!
This person is so bitter
I really hope the democrats continue with this higher than thou and more educated than thou tone and continue blaming everything on racism, sexism, and Putin. This is definitely a winning strategy
I agree, so much elitism, the educated liberal needs humility.
Falling for a sociopathic criminal conman twice, what does that say about American society .😮
Just because you (and others) to choose to ignore it, that doesn’t make it false. Trump is a fascist, a racist, and a sexist.
They had two elections to try to learn this. Way too much elitism and contempt.
100% agree. The Purity Party. Its trademarks are condescension and sneering dressed up as a monopoly on reason.
Perhaps if the US had a better functioning mainstream TV media instead of credulous, ratings-chasing access journalism practitioners, we wouldn't be here now. In 2015 and early 2016, the major networks stared at T's empty pre-rally lecterns for an hour at a time (accompanied by lightweight banter) rather than covering the full field of candidates or providing context on issues. That's not journalism ... it's a middle school lunch time cafeteria table.
We need to stop saying 52% of the people. Its 52% of the people who voted. Not everyone who could vote voted, and not everyone is eligible to vote.
It’s like 1/5 of american adults, which is pretty daunting still but definitely not half of america or anything
Cope
Right. The 52% is far bigger. Those that voted for Trump have families in greater numbers than those that voted for Kamala. Fathers and mothers, married couples with 4 and 5 kids voted for Trump. If votes where transferred into family numbers as a total the win would be 65% + for Trump by family vote.
Kamala did win the majority of atheist and those without children, a smaller group that represented in real human numbers than Trumps larger families.
Two things; the ignorant are allowed to vote/ the illiterate don't vote.
It also means those that didn't vote didn't feel the need to
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - H.L. Mencken
I remember when both political parties abandoned the working class in favor of wall street.
The occam's razor explanation makes the most sense. He's the perfect president for the increasingly ignorant, racist, and selfish society we live in.
The left remains perpetually out of touch.
What's occam's razor for the majority of Hispanics voting for trump? Racism?
Or the true occams razor is that nothing you believe is moral or legitimate and real Americans had to step up and shut down your psycho evil world view.
Imagine being on the team that thinks feelings decide who is or isnt a man or woman. Get out of public life and get some therapy you psychotics.
Sad, but true.
What's Occam's explanation for a majority Latino vote for D. Trump?
For his followers he is a model for their behaviour …😢
@@JNO_JNO Did you happen to see the behavior of Democrats and their followers? 🤣🤣
The author of this podcast should consider that there’s a lot of luck in winning elections. He should also consider that there’s a large academic literature of how to predict presidential elections using only a few economic variables, presidential approval rating, and direction of the country. Also, in the American political system, the opposition presidential candidate often simply has to be present in order to take advantage of momentum to vote out the incumbent.
My point: it would help to take a more analytical and scientific approach to see what variables Trump’s wins are because of him and which are simply coincidence. This year, for instance, there have been many elections in many countries. In only one country, Mexico, did the incumbent party either not lose power or lose seats. Also, no incumbent president has won re-election when a majority has said that the country is on the wrong track.
So, it may help to take an historical look at the likelihood of incumbent president winning when inflation is high during his term. Or, when either illegal immigration was at a record high. Then, I’d look at the proportion of votes the opposition candidate received. This, then, will give a quantitative. likelihood of Trump winning and also how much his far-right views have either helped or hindered him. Another guess: it’s hurt him. Most countries, this year, had landslide victories for the opposition party. This would be the equivalent of winning 370 electoral votes and getting close to a filibuster proof majority bin the Senate. This clearly didn’t happen. I think his far-right view have hurt him and he’s also been very lucky.
Spot on - there's a wave sweeping across the planet. In times of profound change people seek comfort in a "daddy" figure that's going to make it all ok. That is where we are. But these strongmen never assuage the fear, the discomfort - what they do is create more of it because they don't have policies and solutions - they need the problem to stay alive - they do not want solutions. And that's what eventually face-plants them. Course everyone else face-plants before they do.
@@loca8048all Trump has to do is tell them they're doing great, and they'll believe him
This sophistry is why yall lost. Go actually touch grass and commune with some regular ppl instead of padding your media echo chamber
Are you kidding? Maybe Jordan Klepper can do that and get out alive. I'm not that tactful and I'm too old to learn. Voting for a billionaire Republican will save America? That's up there with Scientology and Shit Alex Jones Used To Say, for pure unbelievability. But nobody's been interested in what the other side's had to say for some time. Hoping the divorce will be somewhat amicable ("civil" might get people too excited.) If anyone can undo Lincoln's hard work, it's your-stable-genius-not-mine, buddy.
@@runtaoyang1244 Majority of Americans were high on grass on election day.
Thanks for not sugar coating this as many others have. Minority parents: Please explain to your children what has happened. For their own safety they need to understand the new country in which we now live.
The very people you are talking about are the reason that Trump was elected!
"For their own safety" ...What does that even mean? Trump received RECORD SETTING support from Black Men and hispanic voters in this election. 'Minority Parents' are a huge reason he won so decisively!
It's always been that country. You were just willfully blind to it.
I'm black. What new country? Black people have always had to teach our children how to survive in a country that is anti them.
Trump is as American as American Express
…in the end, you’ll pay more.
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You can't cling to this "Kamala was the Democracy candidate" when CNN exit polls showed Trump won 2 out of 3 voters on the Democracy issue.
That just shows you that propaganda works, particularly with uneducated voters.
@@incognitotorpedo42democrats don't know what democracy is.
This is about as cringe-inducing as political takes get
The harris campaign admitting they received 1 billion in donations and came out of the campaign 20 million in debt in a span of 3 MONTHS is enough to show the people were right, she was the worse choice
And this episode is a perfect example of why democrats lost so badly....
What is it with male Trump supporters
now wanting to call Trump, “Daddy”?
…cult
Wheres the lie?
It’s truly like he has never actually spoken with an everyday Trump voter. He treats them as some weird alien species and is so distraught about how morally bankrupt they supposedly are.
Some of the kindest, most generous, and morally upstanding people I know pulled the lever for Trump.
@StumblingThroughItAll Why did all these good people vote for Trump?
@@melvinjoseph952 Depends on who you talk to. The people I know did so for a large spectrum of reasons.
Trump is not who I Am.
How do you feel about the Latino men who voted for Trump?
@@antiroman458 And what's your opinion on washing machines since we wanna ask unrelated questions
@@MakoTheMano I mean washing machines are great. Many Latinos use them and I use them. So now that's out of the way? Maybe you can answer?
I remember when people took the New York Times seriously
I remember when The New York Times took balanced reporting seriously.
I'm glad you noticed how annoyed the country is with your party; you of course may cope with more of this dismissive and clueless attitude that saw you lose in the first place.
I'm curious -- what do you find dismissive here? And what attitude would you say the writer is taking?
@@samuelwebb2404 Great question. Be prepared for some more gobledigook or race science in their answer.
@samuelwebb2404 Lack of recognizing that the democratic parties choices over the past 8 years has pushed independents away from them. The democratic party squashed their own popular movement. The only talking points I have heard from the left is that I am in some way a racist bigot, because I disagree with the overreach of their policies. I didn't even vote for T and was still called all of these names by democrats. Definitely didn't earn my vote.
@@samuelwebb2404 Maybe stop calling people who don't vote for who you like uneducated bigots and try to tell them that you want to help them so that your party will win. I'm not even American and all I see of your obvious left-leaning media outlets is that orange man bad and people who have even a slight doubt about your party to be morons. Not a good look.
@@samuelwebb2404 The party in general. Learn to read.
so true and well said. Lines from Yeats' 'Second Coming' come to mind: "The best lack all conviction, while the worst / Are full of passionate intensity." Trump holds up a mirror in which Americans can look at themselves.
We are now in the Post-Truth Era …
Because when you're a Liberal, history always starts yesterday.
no, we're in the post media era
Bernie woulda won 2016 and we wouldn' be here now.
Could be but would Democrats go along governing with him? remember they had to cheat the primary in 2016 so that Hillary could win outright with super delegates even though Bernie won The majority of the vote count
As a guy in the balkans,what's the problem with "here"?
I remember seeing some clip of a black dude yelling "bring trump back" a week after Biden won,due to gas prices IIRC,& people like him got what they wanted a day ago.
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb People are ridiculous that's all. They cry that democracy has fallen simply because a candidate was democratically chosen and they don't like him.
@@dokidelta1175 Donald already won ONCE,can these brats name 1 thing that has gotten worse in his 1st term,or a law that he deleted?Why are they acting like THIS SPECIFICALLY is going to end all freedom?
Legit Derangement Syndrome.
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb The problem with "here" is that Trump winning benefits exactly nobody but himself and the allies he's used to pack the government. Gas prices are not going to reduce to pre-COVID costs, the price of eggs is not going to drop, the conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine are not going to magically resolve. None of that would have happened no matter which candidate we chose, because normally, change in the US's bureaucratic and legal systems is slow and difficult.
But Trump winning also makes it more likely for women's reproductive rights to be taken away. Trump winning also makes it more likely for Russia to win their war. Trump winning also makes it more likely for our government to break down, as he and his VP are backed by (and run in the same circles as) a radical right wing group planning to push something called Project 2025 that partially touts a bunch of:
- Impossible nonsense, like banning porn nation-wide and removing one of the 2 offices of the Department of Homeland Security.
- Actual good suggestions, like taking the Chinese Communist Party more seriously + upping Taiwanese defense.
But Project 2025 mostly plans on doing stuff like:
- Removing any and all healthcare options for LGBT people (no matter what you believe of LGBT people, I think we can agree that leaving any citizens of your nation unable to get healthcare is a terrible move. Though there is a very good argument to be made that that's already currently happening because healthcare is so goddamn expensive that working and even middle class people are not guaranteed it without tanking their quality of life as a result).
- Reverting our current depoliticized civil service act (look up Pendleton Act of 1883) so it once again becomes possible to hire government staff based on not their abilities and merits but instead on what their political beliefs are. This is not good for obvious reasons, and this change will not reflect well no matter which party is currently in control of the White House.
In short, people didn't vote Kamala because they saw her as a candidate who provided no path towards change. I agree that voting Trump will provide us change, yes, but based on his track record and the people he surrounds himself with, probably not a positive one.
When Bill Clinton instituted a policy of Globalism, the industrial Midwest lost it's future. Rural areas became ghost towns.People's children moved away. This has been a constant and obvious decline leading to the death of hundreds of thousands of communities. Meanwhile, the democrats spent decades congratulating themselves that this situation was excellent because it promoted the greater good of all mankind (and of course was helpful for the corporate donor class). So although your small town in Nebraska has lost most of its businesses and the children are moving away, that's O.K. because it has raised the standard of living for millions of Chinese. It doesn't really effect the political class, their kids still go to ivy league schools and get to choose "careers". And the outside world is a better place! But throughout the Midwest and the lower class enclaves of the coastal regions, people can't afford to send their kids to college, they see little future, because the people they voted for decided it was more important to raise living standards abroad.
Nixon began trade with China
Didn't Reagan already start that?
And what did Trump do in his first term to help the Midwest? Did he bring the manufacturing jaws back? It’s new reality is not gonna ever happen.
@@Trekki200Reagan started it and it has been defended by democrats ever since ! Trump may not be the correct vessel for anti neo liberalism but its a start! Democrats can continue to side with the oligarchy or go back to FDR! Biden may have started doing that but too little too late
@@Trekki200 I think historians define the beginning of the US's embrace of globalism with Nixon opening up trade with China in the 70s. Clinton was just riding the Reaganomics wave as it was immensely popular among the people who just voted to destroy it, realizing they were the losers all along. They did it to themselves.
I’ve always believed Trump was just playing the part conservatives have always been & wanted in a President.
I think Trump was normal for longer. The Apprentice film, I gather, finds poignant links between Trump’s character and American foreign policy.
Essentially, we as saddened Americans need to seek our better angels and cultivate the American virtues as individuals; and eventually establish a bill of American duties or obligations, so they are no longer merely implied, so that we might become worthy of honorable representatives again.
this is a liberal dumb take. in the Midwest, voted for trump 3 times, never watched one episode of the Apprentice show, never bought any of his dumb books or steaks or attended his University, LOL. He represents a possibility of real change, that's it, We are tired of liberals lecturing to us we "just don't understand" about the border and the economy and it actually is working for us bc we all know that BS..
@bobcouch937 You didn’t understand my comment. I’m not talking about The Apprentice tv show; I’m talking about the new Trump Biopic in theaters called The Apprentice.
@@bobcouch937It’s insane how upside down all of what you said is. Trump could not and cannot make your economic or immigration “situation” Amy easier for you. You yourself have to do that.
The President has nothing to do with rising inflation. Trump proposes blanket tariffs that will actually raise prices for American consumers, instead of promoting manufacturing. He thinks “mass deportation” (fascist shit) is a solution to mass immigration (which is actually a non-issue and helps reduce prices if anything).
In short, he ONLY says what an audience he can convince wants to hear. He just wants immunity from his crimes, and to bolster his own wealth and name. It is oligarchy 101.
you can start by not using such prissy language, but really trump's a fine leader there's nothing to worry about. you're kinda just wimps.
“Isiocracy” didn’t take 500 years and a time capsule.
A man coming to terms with his irrelevance
Thank you, Mr. Lozada, for telling us the truth.
What weasel of story
Ah, the MAGA type who can't form a simple sentence. Perfect model for the ignorance issue.
@@rogergeyer9851He just formed a sentence though.
Trump had 74,222,958 votes in 2020 but Biden won with 81,283,098. In 2024 Trump won about 2,500,000 more votes than in the previous election, but Harris had 74,197,726 votes, the Democratic candidate lost a bit less than 7,000,000 votes. Only 2,500,000 of these went for Trump. That doesn’t make for such a wide change in the definition of the nation. It just means that more than four million voters abandoned the democratic bid for president.
He is not who I am. Never will be. ... And I know endless people who #resist.
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@@melissaseibold4208 God forbid he wants to make things better. That would be terrible 😆
He definitely is. He's the president the entire West deserves.
Trump is not who we are, he is who you are.
Congratulations. You commented before you could possibly have listened to this podcast.
Lawl
anti-trump people are a minority. he is right, this is what america wants. racist, money driven, isolationist, environmental disinterested, diversity prejudice and hateful white supremacy. he is right will we will accommodate and self care
Agree. However, IMHO, the title should be "Stop Pretending Trump Is Not who Half Of Us Are" I will hold that his behavior, rhetoric and persona is not right nor acceptable.
When you “only have two options”, 🤷♂️ the system ain’t perfect.
Peak liberal shoegazing
I can't stop laughing come down to earth sometime will you
If you judge by proud ingnorance alone, he is their worthy King. I'm a little surprised by the immorality trait being so appealing though, from the Law and Order party. But that gets trumped by hating the right people.
Trump is who some of us are. The real question is what percentage of the population. It would be too easy to say those who voted for Trump.
50.3
Too easy and yet true. They voted for him. They ARE him.
He is you
I'm an urban nurse and activist. I voted for Hillary and was so afraid of "right wing extremists" and what I saw as delusions on the right, I joined some groups to get a handle on it and maybe add some support and guidance. This was in 2017. By 2019 I was fully ready to talk to them personally and a friend who supported Bernie was now supporting Trump. We met for a beer. 2020, I was so unhappy with what I was seeing, I didn't vote. As someone who grew up helping democrats and know many in MN, this was unlike me. I started challenging my biases and watching independent media. I found evidence that none of these things I was seeing was actually delusional but had strong elements of truth. By 2022 I was so mad the MSM lied to me and I talked with more former Bernie supporters now in MAGA. 2023, I was so happy I was wrong about MAGA. After 35 years of advocacy for the democrats I voted a full red ticket for the first time in my life. My parents run non profits giving free mental health care to immigrants and go to Walz's church. I am an artist, a pianist and an academic. Your challenge is to figure out why I feel this way.
I will never, ever vote for another democrat again. I absolutely love the red ticket, and I can promise you - a lot of what you are seeing is strategy from the Trump team and mischaracterizations by the media. You have nothing to worry about. We are now a working class super majority and a full realignment is in play. My kids are mixed and they are super excited about a Trump presidency. I work detox and urban community nursing and I am seeing a lot of people come to the realization that we were lied to by the media.
@@Dana-pq7ke Does all media lie or just the left wing media? Where do you get your Political truth from?
it's only some of us. if the numbers were correct, less then half of registered voters chose him
much less would have if they were paying attention to what he and his minions said they wanted to do. they were distracted by twaddle
And you have nobody to blame but yourselves.
He's not who I am.
Trumps flaws have flaws, he is the "Picasso of pettiness" he has no competence, no soul, no class, no wisdom, no self awareness, no humility, no grace, no warmth, no honor, no character, no principles, no compassion. Trump makes Nixon look brilliant and trustworthy, and "dubya"
look smart. He is as artless as a pet rock, about as intelligent, and less curious.
And over half of america gave him an overwhelming all of govt. majority and a mandate to do everything he and his minions promised he would.
This country is now completely fucked..this disgusting asshole now represents all of america to the universe not by accident...but with intent.
And the rest of the world is next.
Seeing things from your perspective really opens our eyes to just how off the rails you are. Maybe consider a psychiatrist-you might still be saved with some early intervention. (I'm not an American)
@@desmondkwang5945 Do you have any counter arguments? instead of falling into Ad Hominem...
@@desmondkwang5945: So only your opinion could possibly be valid. /s Without even attempting to back it up with thought or logic. /s
Just like flat earthers.
Congrats, I suppose.
@@DARS_04that was an observation, my dude. A very accurateobservation.
@@DARS_04 these lazy points are just subjective and emotional insults and can be used against Biden as well. So the only thing they convey is that both candidates suck. You can't seriously talk trash if every single point applies to "your guy".
"no competence" - Biden's lack of competence led to wars staring and the economy only being "good" for rich people
"no soul, no class" - falling asleep during speeches and being held in a basement lest he says something dumb shows a lack of soul or mind, maybe both
"no wisdom" - he thought he would win the election even after the debate. Nuff said. Or he blindly trusted his sycophants. Or he didn't decide anything. His handling of foreign affairs was abysmal, tens of thousands died due to his spineless decisions to "avoid escalation" which actually made things worse. He didn't help his allies (giving them just enough aid so they didn't immediately die, but not enough for success and leaving them vulnerable to aid being cut off by the next guy). Even now he's scared of doing anything and he still doesn't understand that Obama's appeasement style doesn't work.
"no self awareness" - zzzz during speeches, gaffes, ect,
"no humility" - he didn't step aside and let a more competent person run. If you think it was his decision, that shows a big lack of humility
"no warmth" - Biden has some warmth, I'll give him that. like and old grandpa who doesn't want to give up the keys. He's soft, quiet - which is why world leaders didn't respect him.
"no honor, no character" - again, didn't step aside and made it impossible for any other outcome. Endorsing Kamala was the final nail and killed any chance of an open primary. Maybe he did that as revenge to his party.
"no look smart" - yeah, Biden no look smart for sure
"He is as artless as a pet rock, about as intelligent, and less curious" - everything applies to Biden. He's soft, uninspiring, weak and is basically the same as Obama and Clinton.
There are no counter arguments because there were no arguments made
He is not who we ALL are. He is what 50.3% of America is. Not that it matters. Those 50.3% got what they wanted and will decide what the 48.1% will get -- good or bad. Probably bad.
Good. Because we'd had to endure your incessent whining for years now. I'm not dumb, I know what I voted for. I voted for retribution.
@@dokidelta1175 And who hurt you that you needed retribution? What grievance do you have that needs redeemed?
Trump represents human nature so thoroughly that every opposition contains his essence beneath a thin veneer of difference.
I disagree. Trump isn't who we are, he's what we are.
Sophistry without a meaningful difference.
@@rogergeyer9851 such is all nyt comments lol
As expected hatred of Trump is more important to his enemies than (claims) of loving America.
If THAT were true, there'd be riots already. People might even be threatening Mike Pence.
Stop stroking yourselves that the public is somehow deficient in electing Trump. They didn't like what you were selling more than they didn't like what he was selling.
Blinded by education, paralyzed by analysis. Echo, echo, echo….
It must be so much easier to never even bother with either.
Bravo…I may not like what you’re saying - but it’s accurate and succinct
If only more "birthing persons" voted for you guys.
Boom!
After decades of neglect by news media of systemic defects in our institutions, problems have grown to the point where a demagogue is able to find traction. When institutions fail, we revert to tribalism.
A commitment to primary values would motivate a demand that the market operate honestly. We would see fees charged to industries proportional to emissions, resource extraction and habitat destruction.
A commitment to Fairness would motivate us to share the proceeds from environmental impact fees to all people. We could describe this as a system that respects PUBLIC as well as PRIVATE property rights--particularly if we set the fees *just high enough* to bring impacts on the environment of various kinds into line with what most people in a random poll say is acceptable.
No news reports tell us what policy change would allow us to embody respect for Truth, Fairness and democratic principles. News reports ignore systemic solutions to systemic problems.
If there had actually been a democrat primary…
Thank the DNC elites. They championed Biden and squashed all party opposition to him. When his polling numbers remained stuck below Trump’s they decided, for the first time ever to have a presidential debate before the Democratic Party convention. They knew Biden would fail and this gave them the cover they needed to hand pick another candidate. Given how abysmal Harris did in the 2020 Democrat primary one has to wonder why the party thought she’d win a general election. The ancients Greeks would call this Hubris.
You sound ignorant.
@@airforcepac Projection.
Videos like this are literally the reason he won
Describing Harris as articulate…😂
She is history...🎉😂
Haha! Word salad and ignorance tossed together, no intellect, no actual belief, just avarice and self promotion.
The general population doesn’t know what is happening and they dont even know they dont know
Your distain for the general population is the reason people don’t like the current democratic party
Something tells me the “everyone else is stupid” philosophy isn’t going to score. But maybe I’m wrong.
Smug af comment
@@armymarshal13it's literally the truth. Listen, if Republicans actually embrace Democratic policies, I will rejoice. I am not holding out hope, based on experience, however
@@Readabookfoofoothat's your interpretation. The voters swallowed the right wing narrative this time. Let's see how it works out for them
Clearly you don’t know what the hell is going on 😂
I remember when the New York Times claimed to actually be journalist and not just a left wing propaganda machine.
You have absolutely been fed by the actual propaganda machine, and view this as propaganda as a result.
@VexylObby that's hard to claim, seeing that 99% of celebrities actually endorsed Harris, which is a terrible sign. It went from "Hitler is running for president" to "ah we will get them next time". They told you biden was well and running laps around the white house. They literally took the vp that every media polled, including cnn, was the worst candidate possible, and gaslit her with billions of dollars in order to try and push her through. And last, it's why Republicans won the white house, senate, and the house of representatives.
Left wing propaganda machine is BreakThrough News, Deprogram, TheCradle, etc. The NYT has done more to help Republicans than you will ever care to know.
@@VexylObby two children shouting at each other "you're propaganda! NO, you're propaganda!" pathetic
@@ThePilot3332 Except in this case one person is being being critical about misinformation. Any view opposing Trump insanity is NOT necessarily left wing. Articles and pieces like this have valuable and supported points against the Trump cult.
Well said. I appreciate the thoughtfulness Carlos
Stop opining without talking to voters first. Jesus Christ.
A recitation of democrat talking points that are half falsehoods that don't stand up to scrutiny.
Trump is not a bug. He’s a feature.