In my opinion, if you're trying to go fast and aero being comfortable should be the last things you worry about. When you ride your bike enough your body will start to adapt to the position, that's why they say to ride your bike as much as possible. Also, yoga and core exercises help massively for getting aero and low. But obviously if going fast and aero isn't the goal then comfort is the number one thing.
@@FlorinSaveliu absolutely... It's how Andy is able to go 24 hours in TT positions! What salt king is saying it's one or the other and once in an aero position allow your body to adapt to that... (thats how I interpreted it) it's a balancing act to create as little drag as possible whilst staying comfortable
No matter your level of riding when racing you still need to be comfortable. The pros are comfortable in their setup especially if they have to ride that setup for hours. There also has to be a balance of aero and power.
That's absurd. Look at how the TT position has changed over recent years. It's gone from having the hands super low at the front to now having them very high. This lowers frontal area but also is a much more comfortable position. The most aero position on a road bike is not having your hands in the drops, it's having them on the hoods (or over the bars) with forearms parallel to the ground. This position is almost impossible if you slam your stem. tl;dr Raise that front end, then when you choose to get aero you can do it well, but also ride in comfort. win/win.
I have done 2 bikefits... After doing some yoga and asymmetric workouts for 1 year, I became stronger and more flexible. The last bikefit actually increased my power overall with 20 watts with only small changes... Cleats, saddle hight and for/aft. I recommend doing it once atleast. But it also has to do with who is doing your bikefit. So try to get some info first. It CAN get worse if they dont know what they are doing.
Same with coaches now a days... You get good ones and bad ones... I'd certainly do some research and go off word of mouth recommendations! Andy was brilliant!
Appreciate the Video. What i find most bikefitters Seem to do, is letting you sit more upwards, less aero. The same here... every Time, in the Name of Comfort, People end up sitting like a grandpa on a touring bike... furthermore everybody says kops is nonsense, yet the first Thing your fitter does is checking your kops... ooookk....
Ditto, 20 odd years never had a fit, got a fit as part of a deal with a new cinelli, boom , changed my entire outlook and comfort, wish I had it done 20 years ago but tech defo wasn’t as good back then , I’m a all for a fit !
I watch a lot of bike fit videos and do it myself. You can get the software to check angles if you video yourself. One thing I've learned I'd that plumb line from your knee to the clear isnt a useful measurement at all. It was a check they did in bike shops to see if the frame was the right size but nothing to do with fit as we know it. £200 is taking the Mick! I could have told you for a fiver a shorter stem would make you more comfortable! One thing to consider with the amount of SwiftKey you do is that there'll be more weight on your hands because you haven't got the effect of the wind pushing on your chest and holding you up. It's a good idea to raise the front of the bike a couple of inches to compensate for this and take the weight off your hands a bit.
Never had a fit. I ride road bikes since two years and I think I need one. I just can get comfy on the saddle. If I want to put down lots of power I must sit on the nose of the saddle. I already put the saddle forward completely. But no handy, arms, shoulders, back pain.. " Just" the saddle..
Great video. Your boy Andy knows his stuff. I've had two hopeless bike fits from salesman selling me the wrong sized bike (54/56cm frames when I need a 58cm). You've lost some serious weight. Looking leaner. Cav styling
I think a good bike fit can be excellent. However there is no trade union or guild for this, so a rubbish bike fit could be worse than I could do myself and be a total waste of money. There's even one guy that recommends all his customers use a saddle I utterly detest, surely the idea that one saddle that can suit everyone is an absolute nonsense. So if someone has the right chatting skills and equipment but no clue, he can set himself up as a bike fitter. . So it's not that a good fit couldn't work wonders, but it's the lack of guarantee that puts me off.
Just by eye looks like your Cleat position is too far forward. You could try a more mid foot cleat position. You may need to drop the seat a little . I found this help me .
I really need to get this done, i get incredible tension headaches in back of neck and sore shoulders after every ride. Im just worried about getting a bike fit as i am as flexible as a steel girder. Also my saddle height has to be mm perfect otherwise i get debilitating quad cramp or hamstring cramp. argh.
@@baronvonhoughton I didn't in the end, the root of my problems was my saddle position was too far aft. I slammed it pretty much all the way forward and now I'm balanced much better on the bike.
I think having a bike fit annually is a rough estimate, as you body adapts to various training regimes so the frame work around you must change. I know £200 appears to be a high figure, but how much is a course of physio to correct an injury, plus the amount of discomfort you are enduring while having 'fun'.
@@chrispritch this method has been discredited for sometime. It is based on zero science. Let me pose this one to you - a TT bike/triathlon bike will almost always see the knee in advance of the pedal spindle and therefore knee position has no relevance to the foot position over the spindle....total BS. Look up Dylan Johnson, cycling coach for some great science based info on positioning.
That was an initial assessment. Along measuring leg length and so on. To get into right ballpark. From there the real fitting work would start. And it's just cleats, which mainly works with how easy the ride is for calf-muscles (endurance = relatively back, sprinters = relatively forward). Knee's position relative to spindle is much more than just cleats, mainly how the saddle is set up.
Hows the numbness (I don't mean just you generally)? You were having issues initially after the bike fit? I suffer with numbness after long rides so got myself a tri saddle (front section cut off) and tilted it forward slightly so I was sat on sit bones. Made it a bit more tolerable. It's the only issue I have. I know my saddle is a little low but that's to keep circulation going. I'm 6ft 1in and ride a 55cm frame. Feels a little long I must admit although it forces me to ride a bit more aero. I'm not like Obree mind.
First session after me nob was throbbin... Couldn't feel it for about an hour afterwards... But less about the Fleshlight... 😂 nah it did cause me issues but levelled out the saddle and dropped it 0.5cm and the pain was gone!
Yeah, now go do a breakaway ramping 1000w in that grandpa position. bike fit is for someone who rides endurance. Wanna be aero, be ready for pain. get the right saddle for aft and height, cleat positioning and right stem angle, all these can be done for free.
I agree, it's a total scam. The Worlds best MTB XCO racers adapt to the bike and put out mental w/kg. Bike fits are simply there for roadies who tech luddites who never change or adjust anything. They usually have zero core strength.
There's adapting to a position which is close to where you need to be... However I'm now in the camp of go get a bike fit! It's made a world of difference to my riding and finally... Finally stopped the knee pain I've been having for a good few years!
@@gweflj foam rolled and stretched... I thought it was a tight IT band as the pain was the lateral side of of my patella.... It's didn't really do anything to relieve to pain but since the back fit it's gone!!
“Bike fit is for everything” end video.. 😂😂 I love your sense of humour it’s why I watch even if I’m not interested in the content!
Had my first bike fit a week ago as well. I feel so much more efficient. I can sustain greater power for a longer time. can't recommend it enough.
Game changing if you find out your fit hasn't been ideal!! 👍
I scheduled my first bike for in 2 weeks I’m excited to feel the difference after a long ride
In my opinion, if you're trying to go fast and aero being comfortable should be the last things you worry about. When you ride your bike enough your body will start to adapt to the position, that's why they say to ride your bike as much as possible. Also, yoga and core exercises help massively for getting aero and low. But obviously if going fast and aero isn't the goal then comfort is the number one thing.
I want comfort and aero!
Chris, you can't have both and the TT bike positions are the proof.
@@FlorinSaveliu absolutely... It's how Andy is able to go 24 hours in TT positions! What salt king is saying it's one or the other and once in an aero position allow your body to adapt to that... (thats how I interpreted it) it's a balancing act to create as little drag as possible whilst staying comfortable
No matter your level of riding when racing you still need to be comfortable. The pros are comfortable in their setup especially if they have to ride that setup for hours. There also has to be a balance of aero and power.
That's absurd. Look at how the TT position has changed over recent years. It's gone from having the hands super low at the front to now having them very high. This lowers frontal area but also is a much more comfortable position. The most aero position on a road bike is not having your hands in the drops, it's having them on the hoods (or over the bars) with forearms parallel to the ground. This position is almost impossible if you slam your stem.
tl;dr Raise that front end, then when you choose to get aero you can do it well, but also ride in comfort. win/win.
I have done 2 bikefits... After doing some yoga and asymmetric workouts for 1 year, I became stronger and more flexible.
The last bikefit actually increased my power overall with 20 watts with only small changes... Cleats, saddle hight and for/aft. I recommend doing it once atleast.
But it also has to do with who is doing your bikefit. So try to get some info first. It CAN get worse if they dont know what they are doing.
Same with coaches now a days... You get good ones and bad ones... I'd certainly do some research and go off word of mouth recommendations! Andy was brilliant!
Appreciate the Video. What i find most bikefitters Seem to do, is letting you sit more upwards, less aero. The same here... every Time, in the Name of Comfort, People end up sitting like a grandpa on a touring bike... furthermore everybody says kops is nonsense, yet the first Thing your fitter does is checking your kops... ooookk....
Ditto, 20 odd years never had a fit, got a fit as part of a deal with a new cinelli, boom , changed my entire outlook and comfort, wish I had it done 20 years ago but tech defo wasn’t as good back then , I’m a all for a fit !
I have a bike fit every day. Every day that I see a new super bike I can't buy, I trow a fit... Yes, my jokes are getting worse
New. Low.
@@chrispritch Not as low as your initial saddle height
I watch a lot of bike fit videos and do it myself. You can get the software to check angles if you video yourself. One thing I've learned I'd that plumb line from your knee to the clear isnt a useful measurement at all. It was a check they did in bike shops to see if the frame was the right size but nothing to do with fit as we know it. £200 is taking the Mick! I could have told you for a fiver a shorter stem would make you more comfortable! One thing to consider with the amount of SwiftKey you do is that there'll be more weight on your hands because you haven't got the effect of the wind pushing on your chest and holding you up. It's a good idea to raise the front of the bike a couple of inches to compensate for this and take the weight off your hands a bit.
Never had a fit. I ride road bikes since two years and I think I need one. I just can get comfy on the saddle. If I want to put down lots of power I must sit on the nose of the saddle. I already put the saddle forward completely. But no handy, arms, shoulders, back pain.. " Just" the saddle..
tilt the nose of the saddle down 1 degree.
That cadence though
Chris ‘the hummingbird’ Pritchard
Great video. Your boy Andy knows his stuff. I've had two hopeless bike fits from salesman selling me the wrong sized bike (54/56cm frames when I need a 58cm). You've lost some serious weight. Looking leaner. Cav styling
Cheers Rich! Fallen off the wagon a little these past few weeks but slowly getting back on it!! 👍🍺
I think a really common issue for most people is having the saddle too far back
I had a knee issue and by making the same alterations you did it cleared up in one ride! I stopped wasting money on physio's and massages then.
so, his particular problem and solution applies to everybody else's? we can safely follow the same step and it will be solved right?
I think a good bike fit can be excellent.
However there is no trade union or guild for this, so a rubbish bike fit could be worse than I could do myself and be a total waste of money. There's even one guy that recommends all his customers use a saddle I utterly detest, surely the idea that one saddle that can suit everyone is an absolute nonsense. So if someone has the right chatting skills and equipment but no clue, he can set himself up as a bike fitter. .
So it's not that a good fit couldn't work wonders, but it's the lack of guarantee that puts me off.
But, for them to guarantee you anything, you gotta do it first.
let me guess, it is the SMP?
Just by eye looks like your Cleat position is too far forward. You could try a more mid foot cleat position. You may need to drop the seat a little . I found this help me .
I really need to get this done, i get incredible tension headaches in back of neck and sore shoulders after every ride. Im just worried about getting a bike fit as i am as flexible as a steel girder. Also my saddle height has to be mm perfect otherwise i get debilitating quad cramp or hamstring cramp. argh.
Interested if u did, and if so did it help?
@@baronvonhoughton I didn't in the end, the root of my problems was my saddle position was too far aft. I slammed it pretty much all the way forward and now I'm balanced much better on the bike.
You should go even lower, your toe is droping, everybody drop heel when it gets hard, this is way too high position
I think having a bike fit annually is a rough estimate, as you body adapts to various training regimes so the frame work around you must change. I know £200 appears to be a high figure, but how much is a course of physio to correct an injury, plus the amount of discomfort you are enduring while having 'fun'.
Very good point! I've spent far more then that on physio!!! 😂
How about mtb? Is bike fit also as essential for mtb riders?
Im a bike fit skeptic but im also suffering with a bad back!
Maxwell. Go. Now!
In the first vid you were bouncing on the saddle way too much, I don't know how you couldn't notice that in the first place lol.
Seat position was made to look wrong on purpose to show how amazing the bike fit is
Track Sprinter? or Endurance Track Rider than can sprint? Track sprint positions are usually long and low then compact and low.
Ye track sprinting!
most common knee pains are caused by a low saddle height
Or saddle to high
Or crank length, or 101 other reasons
Used a plumb line to assess cleat position........you should have walked out then and there....
why?
@@chrispritch this method has been discredited for sometime. It is based on zero science. Let me pose this one to you - a TT bike/triathlon bike will almost always see the knee in advance of the pedal spindle and therefore knee position has no relevance to the foot position over the spindle....total BS. Look up Dylan Johnson, cycling coach for some great science based info on positioning.
Gregory Brennan foot angle too steep
That was an initial assessment. Along measuring leg length and so on. To get into right ballpark. From there the real fitting work would start.
And it's just cleats, which mainly works with how easy the ride is for calf-muscles (endurance = relatively back, sprinters = relatively forward). Knee's position relative to spindle is much more than just cleats, mainly how the saddle is set up.
What are you think about apps for bike fitting? Are they really efficient?
£200? Our local bike fitter does £30
youtube bikefit is free
This is the best vlog you’ve ever done. However a bike fit will save you watts guaranteed.
wow... is that because I'm hardly in it!? hahaha Cheers Adam appreciate the comment!
As soon as a bike fitter gets out the plumb line for cleat position, you should walk out of the room and find another fitter.
Just had mine today from Matt at Crimson Performance. Excellent fit and no plumb line!
Good vid
Cheers store!!
Hows the numbness (I don't mean just you generally)? You were having issues initially after the bike fit?
I suffer with numbness after long rides so got myself a tri saddle (front section cut off) and tilted it forward slightly so I was sat on sit bones. Made it a bit more tolerable.
It's the only issue I have. I know my saddle is a little low but that's to keep circulation going.
I'm 6ft 1in and ride a 55cm frame. Feels a little long I must admit although it forces me to ride a bit more aero. I'm not like Obree mind.
First session after me nob was throbbin... Couldn't feel it for about an hour afterwards... But less about the Fleshlight... 😂 nah it did cause me issues but levelled out the saddle and dropped it 0.5cm and the pain was gone!
R.I.P Andy Jackson. 😭
what has happened to him?
@@chrispritch Jumped from a multi-storey car park in Lincoln. :(
Is it just me or is his saddle way too high now lol
Thinking the same thing. Extending his ankle at the bottom of stroke to compensate for saddle to high....
that's not improved cadence........its caffeine jitters
😂😂😂👍
Dude, you didn't clean your bike before bring it in. Come on Chris, you are better than that.
Yeah, now go do a breakaway ramping 1000w in that grandpa position. bike fit is for someone who rides endurance. Wanna be aero, be ready for pain. get the right saddle for aft and height, cleat positioning and right stem angle, all these can be done for free.
need an intro...
Nah... When we get to 100k subs we'll get an intro!
I agree, it's a total scam. The Worlds best MTB XCO racers adapt to the bike and put out mental w/kg. Bike fits are simply there for roadies who tech luddites who never change or adjust anything. They usually have zero core strength.
There's adapting to a position which is close to where you need to be... However I'm now in the camp of go get a bike fit! It's made a world of difference to my riding and finally... Finally stopped the knee pain I've been having for a good few years!
@@chrispritch What did you do to get try and get rid of your knee pain Chris?
@@gweflj foam rolled and stretched... I thought it was a tight IT band as the pain was the lateral side of of my patella.... It's didn't really do anything to relieve to pain but since the back fit it's gone!!