Never Use Jiu-Jitsu In A Street Fight... Here's Why
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Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, is one of the best forms of self-defense but is it the worst for fights? Many martial arts enthusiasts questioned the effectiveness of Jiu Jitsu when faced with real-life confrontations. In this video, I will be sharing the pros and cons of BJJ when you need to defend yourself from actual fights.
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Do you think Jiu-Jitsu is Good or Bad in Street Fights?
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I would rather box in a street fight Tony!✊
U can't focus on multiple opponents in bjj and in the streets u rarely have one attacker
@Louie Delacruz chokes and takedowns yes. But I think most people would prefer to stand and strike
Not a chance of knocking out 4 people at same time only way you could is if it's like a Bruce Lee film & they come 1 at a time...if they all come at the same time then forget about it..
Sounds like the JJ you are referring to, Tony, is specifically Brazilian JJ. Other styles, such as Danzan Ryu and Wally Jay's Small Circle Jujitsu, very much teach defense against punches,. DZR also has a full arsenal of strikes (atemi, geri), and SSJJ probably does too. I also don't know why think JJ necessarily has you take the fight to the ground. Certainly not what you want if there are multiple attackers. In DZR, if you take your opponent down, you have a way of debilitating them so you can face the next attacker. Furthermore, DZR EXPLICITLY includes techniques against multiple attackers, such as Sannin Nage. It is not exclusively one-on-one.
You probably should clarify you were talking specifically about BJJ.
as a BJJ black belt , i would like to say most people have the wrong idea about self defense jiu jitsu. In a street situation it’s best to use to BJJ in reverse to keep the fight standing, maintain distance, clinch for strikes, standing chokes and throws if/when necessary. Last thing i’m ever doing is butt scooting towards 4 attackers and taking their heels 😂
100%
BJJ past blue belt is for sport.
@@jackjack4412 would you rather be in a fight against a blue belt or a black belt? Someone with only a year or two of time on the mats? Or a minimum of 7 years of time on the mats?
@@DuckRiverHomestead if I'm a BJJ blue belt with blue belt equivalent boxing and wrestling skill (about 1-2 yrs formal training) I'd fight any black belt who only does BJJ.
@@jackjack4412 🤣
20 year BJJ student and security professional here.
Yes, you need BJJ to effectively fight in a real situation.
However, if BJJ is all you have, you're going to have a very rough time.
As in most things in life, the best answer is to know as much as you can about multiple styles and apply as necessary.
Thanks for sharing mate 👊 Do you also box?
@Tony Jeffries I did a bit of Muay Thai years ago. Many of the guys I've worked with were also amateur MMA fighters or strikers of some kind, and I've worked with them, but mostly on strike defense. I'm my line of work, hitting patrons is very frowned upon. Drunks have swung on me countless times, so I tend to practice defense and closing distance to take the issue to the ground. I would love to learn more boxing.
I understand you are traveling the world. If you are ever in New Jersey, let's have a roll. I'm sure we would have loads to discuss.
Bingo.
BJJ is worth knowing so we know what to do when and if you end up on the floor, where most fights end up. Boxing reigns surpreme tho.
Yup, perfect summary.
It works! Judo works too! But boxing is essential to deal a real fight.
Have you tried mate? Yes I agree both are great for real fight
@@Tony_Jeffries Yeah! I did Jiu Jitsu and Aikido when I was a teenager, but I realized that boxing is essential when I fought a boxer and I couldn't catch him in many attempts, but I took a lot of punches. After that, I did research on Pride Championship and MMA and understood the importance of striking first and submitting later.
Been boxing 10yrs. No BJJ user has been able to take me to the ground. Nor can stand with me for long. Full disclosure, did BJJ for about 2 yrs.
I had a guy try to choke me out in a McDonald’s car park one night - let’s just say he probably won’t have any eyesight for the rest of his life 😂
@@mr12aTsure
I am a doctor ( indian) lived in russia 6 years i learnt judo and boxing both trainers were from dagestan…once i had fight with two drunkrads… judo helped a a lot in that as i dont want to be deported i maintained distance ..i pinned them one by one…luckily my girlfriend was also a judoka😂 i met her in gym…rest police took care
You 100% not a doctor 😂
@@RamanSingh-vx2rp why not?
Not gonna lie his story is stereotypical .
@@RamanSingh-vx2rp only people in India can’t understand this, we have doctors in America that are purple, brown belts
I’d like a large slurpee please
Yea I remember I met the Pope a few years ago and hit'em with a Stone Cold stunner bc he was trying to get touchy feely with me.
I'm a Judoka, I practice BJJ as well, I gotta say that Boxing is the best style (also Kick-Boxing), then comes Judo and then Jiu-Jitsu ... When you try to pull your BJJ it's a risky situation, you don't wanna risk and take the fight to the ground, rather, you need to finish it standing up ... because you don't know who's who, and you can get a blow or a stab while you're on the ground ... However BJJ is needed on a professional level.
Pulling guard should be used when ending up on the ground is inevitable(e.g., you tripped or the opponent is taking you down so it's too late for you to sprawl). As for taking the fight to the ground, again it depends on context. If you need to control an opponent when strikes are either not appropriate or too risky if the opponent is larger/more skilled than you, then the ground will decrease your chances of getting hit. This assumes you're well aware of your surroundings and know outside threats are less likely.
Bjj trumps everything if you have rock solid guarantee that there is only one opponent ( you are in a lift, in a vehicule, or in the middle of the nowhere). Otherwise some 'nasty' judo with kickboxing works safer.
@@peterrusznak6165or if u fight in school
I've been practicing MMA for 23 years now. I've done BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai and wrestling. While they all give you an edge vs an opponent that doesn't know what they're doing, out of the 4 I've trained in BJJ is the least helpful. Boxing is by far superior for street fights. You don't wanna be rolling around on your back, on concrete or in a bar, etc. Trying to lock your legs in a scenario where your opponent can bite, groin punch, potentially have a weapon, whatever. Trying to do all that, in jeans, in a tight environment like a sidewalk or bar, isn't very effective. Boxing is the best.
I also wanna say that if you're a trained fighter looking to start streets fights, you're a chump. And that BJJ is the least helpful. Not that's it's not helpful at all. Any training will give you a big advantage over someone who has none. But boxing is just better in this very specific scenario that almost never happens.
Wow u have done a lot mate… how’s your body holding up?
The same can be said of kicking it’s much easier when you’re in shorts but try kicking with thick pants and a jacket.
Judo an Sambo Wrestling ect are excellent forms of self defense. Along with jiu jitsu. My family has owned bar ( dancing ) establishments for 20 yrs. Ive been witness to or involved in hundreds of real life defensive situations. Working for the family business an being involved in law enforcement. Plain an simple i can count on one hand how many times boxing was needed to stop a situation however i can count 100 times when grappling proved its merits. Just plain facts here. Not trying to judge anyone this is just what ive seen over 20 yrs. Also check out Andrew Wiltse on the subject of Bouncing while he an his brother were starting there first few years at Daisey Fresh ( Pedigo) submission fighting bjj. Thanks for the channel great stuff champ
@@Buddy330 Have you not watched any viral videos of BJJ used outside the mats? Alot of your objections against BJJ's applications in the streets really don't hold any ground. Guys like Renzo Gracie(beating up 2 robbers and grappling with a racist black dude at a subway), Matt Serra(vs drunk) and Ryan Hall(vs drunk) have used BJJ in self defense with no problems. And there are other cases like a few BJJ instructors stopping thieves and even a muay thai instructor using his white belt level BJJ to stop a kidnapper. Literally some of these examples are in this video. As for dirty moves and weapons and rolling on concrete, sure they are concerns but I have yet to see BJJ getting nullified by them. If anything, you can't use dirty moves effectively if you're in an inferior position while they're in a dominant position. For someone who claims to have done mma for 23 years, you should know that.
Boxing is excellent for finishing fights faster than BJJ but that assumes you can keep your distance, avoid close-quarter fighting and staying perfectly on your feet. Another problem with boxing is that it's not really ideal in exchanging strikes at a striking range if getting countered with a KO is very likely and it really doesn't do well against larger opponents due to greater mass and better reach.
Because of your videos I decided to take up boxing. I found a good training and I had my first lesson this last Sunday. I love every painful step I take now. 😁
Back in the 80's there was a book called "strategies of unarmed combat" by a guy named Paul Maslak. The biggest con that he pointed out regarding grappling was something Mr. Jeffies touched on. So a fight starts and you go to the ground. You and the bad guy are grappling and two or three of his buddies that were in the bathroom come out and while you're on to the ground trying to get good hold one of his buddies who you did not see are laying a pool cue upside your head. When you are on the ground grappling you have an extreme lack of visibility. If on the other hand you are boxing, or kick boxing or some sort of pugilism you have a good view of the field of combat. If you see three or four guys coming towards you with pool cues or baseball bats or whatever the it's time to run and fight another day. Also in pugilistic arts again boxing or kickboxing you can frequently end a fight very quickly if you know what you are doing.
I train BJJ and if I was in a pub fighting a guy and we went to the ground, I would have a better chance of getting up (especially if he’s on top of me) than someone who doesn’t train BJJ. So your argument just reinforces why you need it. And if his mates don’t come, and he knows BJJ and you don’t, you’re F’d.
@@jordangill2710 In a pub that's one thing. Those don't last long, get broken up and usually over dumb shit. In a real street fight where you could be getting robbed or some random thugs you dont want to use BJJ. I agree with you on a regular basis BJJ is invaluable. Keeps you out of jail and free of lawsuits while maintaining control but If you are looking to put the hurt on someone though you need other training. But in all honestly in the 20 years I been in fights. Not once would BJJ come in handy. They were brutal, generally outnumbered, some with weapons. Had a guy pull a gun on me after I was getting the upper hand. Its not a sport. Depending on where you grew up and what kind of life experience you have will determine what will be the best kind of training. I found boxing and combat jiu jitsu covers it all. If you want to expand on the ground game then take up BJJ. I think its great for a more passive approach but not practical in serious street fights. To be honest if someone pulled that on me your getting stabbed. The way I see it if it hits the ground and the fight is still not over and I cant get away from you, then Im gonna poke my way out of that situation real fast. But understand I grew up in this stuff. We carried pistols in high school. For everyday people what I am referring too usually doesnt happen. One on one was not common growing up.
Good stuff Tony. I think the strengths and weaknesses you point out perfectly explain why so many "Tribal Martial Arts" (things like Nigerian Laam wrestling or Swiss Wrestling or Greco Roman wrestling) are so heavily focused on throws as opposed to take downs, ground fighting or even striking.
"Martial Arts" were ultimately intended for use on the Battlefield, or other Life-and-Death combat situations. In such situations you must keep your feet while getting the other guy off his feet. It's also a fair assumption that people would be wearing protective gear (armor) and thereby neutralizing empty handes strikes.
I've always thought that things like Judo actually offer the best translation from dojo to life-or-death combat. Proper grip fighting would translate reasonably well to dealing with strikes and because classic Judo emphasizes throws, you stay up while dropping somebody on a hard surface.
So, i always tell people - if you're going to study one thing: Judo. Two things: Boxing and Jiu-Jitsu 😅
I did box as an amateur but also trained in muay thai as well, this was years ago before mma, i felt muay thai was so much more realistic in a street defence situation, although being aware of what's going on around you is top priority.
BJJ is perhaps the worst martial art for being aware of and able to respond to surrounding.- while engaged that is.
I wrestled in high school. That sport gives you a good ground game. I started taking boxing in December and I gotta say it has been excellent for me.
Jiu-jitsu might not be ideal for street fight but context matters. I once fell on the ground while 6 of them was stomping me while I was on the ground. I took one of their legs and got him in a heel hook and teared his knee. He screamed his ass out then all of them got busy helping him and I escaped
One thing to point out is bystanders don’t always jump in to help when the fight gets taken to the ground
And then you woke up
Also if you’re the who gets taken to the ground, you’re gonna need to use wrestling and maybe jiu jitsu to get back up on your feet.
Boxing works until you get grabbed
I figured with Jiu-Jitsu once you break someone's bone in a fight( that you are getting jumped in) no one is going to want a part of that.
Good thing mate that they did not attacked you while you are on the ground
Im a student currently of jiujitsu and love it and i feel is extremely usefull on a street fight case, however ive trained striking a lot more previously (boxing, tkd and muay thai) and to be fair i pretty much never would use jiujitsu in anything besides a 1v1, if its for example a bar fight that would be the worst thing since pretty much you are exposing your back even if you are on mount and you are extremely exposed to a bottle or punch in the back of your head, i would pretty much recommend just using boxing for those cases because even that i love throwing kicks you dont want to fall back and then being kicked on the floor by everyone, boxing is the way to go, however if im doing a 1v1 im inmediately throwing him on the floor and ground and pound which to be fair its better to know also your boxing in that case since you can punch them easier and better, loved your take mate and i really enjoy this videos, keep em up
Big plus point for BJJ is getting back up (and then running) if you do get taken down.
After training in kickboxing for a few years, I started BJJ because the idea of getting attacked and ending on the ground underneath someone ground and pounding me terrified me.
Plus boxing can be really helpful to set up for takedowns and closing the distance from the striking range instead of awkwardly shooting in due to getting flinched from strikes if youve never boxed
Boxing + grappling
Will make u a beast
Ur punches will deadly while knowing grapple
@@Yvng_YBK-RRR you nailed it my brother specially if you can throw some kicks too you’re deadly.
Bjj guys can’t take you down and they finna get clapped on the feet.
Can you get good at boxing without sparring? I cant spar since i got TBI in a car crash
@@peezypeezy7342 I mean reflex ball,reflex bag, double end bag, and head movement bag along with footwork drills are you best bet without sparring
Partially correct. in fact you need to study GJJ, the street defense branch of BJJ under Helio Gracie (they train to defend punches standing and on the ground) and NOT the Sport branch of BJJ that doesn't address strikes at all, plus you need traditional boxing, and you also need kickboxing so that you can use also your legs for striking.
Agree
Talking about the street, I prefer to train primarily in Boxing since hand strikes are the swiftest and footwork for evasion, you must act as quick as you can in a self defense situation. If you have time, learning a grappling martial art will be helpful when you learn takedown defense in case that your attackers also know grappling
Love your content! Keep it up!
Boxing + Judo are the best foundation to build upon to become a hard target for bullies.
Street fighting can land you in prison or the ICU. . .Violent people seldom give you fair ones in the streets. . .Expect to get jumped, shanked, shived, bricked or mobbed.
I survived growing up mostly in black American communities, served in the Army Infantry, survived the streets of Latin America at night, fought competitively, worked nightclub security, but serving a sentence in a notoriously violent penitentiary for over a decade was where rubber met the road.
Judo served me for close grappling exponentially better than my Gracie Jiujitsu did in the penitentiary. . .I NEVER wanted to ground grapple, use newaza nor submit anyone on the ground in the penitentiary. . .They never attack in singles. Seldom unarmed. Often with shanks, shivs or ice picks.
I agree with all your points great video. I train the Japanese juijitsu. It is mostly throws like judo with a arm and wrist lock but we do stand up fighting also.
Makes total sense! I saw one situation that really made me consider training bjj, two guys fighting at the bar, and it is going like swing, clinch, than they fall on the ground one dude on top, and than top guy keeps punching while holding bottom guy by the collar while so to say being in his open guard. So the most valuable aspect of BJJ for self defense in my opinion is ability to get from bad positions on the ground.
Excellent! Have been enjoying your boxing tips for some time and love the addition of BJJ to the package. I will be shortly entering the world of BJJ to supplement my years of Krav Maga so that my groundwork will be upgraded. At 69 my sparring has been ended(group insurance) but BJJ will allow some contact work even now, so upwards and onwards. Your points of pros and cons are absolutely spot-on.
7 th degree black belt from Taekwondo master here and I have been training little of kung-fu, May Thai, and ground fight. Now, I just start to boxing right way with your video and thank you. Now, I am 55 and keep practicing boxing because I love it. Just like combat in war, soldiers need all kind weapons such as air, ground, and sea support. Thank you again for your valuable video.
very useful advices and personal observations! Thnaks!
I defiently agree with you. In my opinion, with alot of street fighting experience its great to have Jiu-Jitsu as your backup once everything is on the ground or someone has a hold of you from the back.
I would still prefer boxing for self defense because our Professor Tony from Boxingology Department already told us that one single punch on the solar plexus and the game is over 😊👍🥊
Boooom there ya go 👍🏼
That's what bothers me. If I don't know he's a great boxer, he's probably extremely fast with his jabs. By the time I notice he's in a boxing stance, I'm down.
Love the video and these are all good points, but as much as people say BJJ is bad for self defense, videos have been emerging for decades of BJJ practitioners (and other graplers) absolutely dominating street fights. The key is its never pulling gaurd or but scoots. It's takedowns and sweeps followed by submission (to completion), g&p, run, or control until help arrives.
Hi Tony, I am someone who trains both muay thai and BJJ. My concern about muay thai (and boxing) is that the likelihood of breaking your hands are rather high in a street fight without gloves. Even fighters break their own knuckles/shins (from kicks) in MMA. What is your take on throwing punches/kicks in a street fight where you risk such injuries to yourself?
You couldn't have summed it up any better !! 👍
I like this channel, you put everything into perspective nicely, I like how you made the point about pottentially cabbaging/killing somebody with a punch and going to jail for a long time, its important to remember that. Thats why I think BJJ/grappling is a nice bit of experience to have, you could potentially put a stop to a nasty situation against a single attacker (AND make your attacker look a right tit) without actually hurting them.
Another great video. I prefer no-gi BJJ. It was the first martial art I learned. Ended up getting jumped a lot and got into boxing and kickboxing. Never landed a head kick in a street fight. Boxing saved my life in street fights. One good body shot is AMAZING! Very effective.
the right sequence of things to do in a self-defense situation: running, striking then grappling
Great video. You are super likable and give a great presentation. Congrats on your Olympic success.
Yes, I agree, he always comes across well and humble
BJJ black belt here with 24 years of training. I worked as a bouncer for 10 years and I effectively used it to defend myself a number of times. It never failed me. I also used boxing a couple of times and it worked well too but the legal outcome was worse 😅.
Usually bouncers are left alone by police from my experience
@@milant4810 Probably it depends on the country. I know that in mine I had to be extremely careful when I was forced to defend myself or others.
@@tokorojj yeah that's pretty ridiculous how they'd side with a drunk twat assaulting a bouncer. Unless a bouncer is battering people because they enjoy it, which i have seen on several occasions 😂 but they still don't get punished for that
@@milant4810legal. = more than police. Includes lawsuit.
I’d say that another positive for learning any grappling based martial art is defending against takedowns , and learning how to scramble and get up if someone takes you down . The best way to avoid going to the ground is to learn how to defend against people who are trying to take you there.
Awesome advice!! Thank you Tony!!
Appreciate it Kollin 👊🏻
“A boxer is like a lion, the greatest predator on land, but you throw him in the shark tank and he’s just another meal.”
~ Renzo Gracie
Lion cub , lesson 1: 'Stay away from the fish tank son'.
Hi @Tony_Jeffries, which elements from jiu-jitsu would you incorporate to self defence (I am asking for names of techniques)?
And thank you for your content !
if you pull guard in a street fight your just looking for trouble
Hey tony as an armature boxer which oz boxing gloves should i use for heavy bag and padwork i fight in 12oz so i am thinking of buying 14 oz because i think in will give me some mental advantage on my opponents what is your opinion on this
Love yah vids Tony. My kids have done Japanese ju jitsu for over 10 years and are young Sensei adults now. This is completely different to Brazilian, which I will say excels at groundwork. Our style focuses on the street fight. It is an all-encompassing defence system utilising, Multiple Attacks, groind work and upright techniques, which include throwing the opponent to the ground, wrist locks/ breaks, or any joint for that matter, kicks and punches. I agree, You do not want to be grappling on the ground with some guys' mates kicking you in the head. BTW. karate, judo, aikido all stemmed from the original ju jitsu. BRUTAL.
U forgot something important. Weapons. Knife or club are deal breakers for any close contact. And legs are the best answer (firearm works too) because u can keep distance. Thus, Muay Thai or Taekwondo are much more safe for u in street fight. And low kicks are probably answer everything u mentioned in pro.
Boxing, Muay Thai, and BJJ is a killer combo, Coach. Nice combo Tony
5:58 good points coach. I agree. The friend thing. Weapons. Multiple attackers. Terrain? All those. Throwing punches at you. If you’re not used to it.
I've trained at both a sport JJ school and in a Gracie JJ Combatives program. What you say is true about gi-based sport JJ. But Combatives teaches you how to deal with, and/or avoid punches, knees and elbows. Also, the Combatives program does not use the gi. Students may wear gis in some clubs, but the Combatives program does not teach any techniques that require a defender to grab clothing. That comes later in Master Cycle. Also, after Combatives, in the Master Cycle, you learn that the Gracie system actually has strikes, an Elbow Strike, Power Slap, Hand Chop, Knee Strike and Side Kick.
But I agree, learning a striking art along with BJJ is a great combination.
Its good to know everythink. Even better you can do everything. Better then that.
To do always the right think.
It is important to clarify that there is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu AND Japanese Jiu-Jitsu which are different. Although in Japanese Jiu-Jitsu we also have the practice of fighting on the floor, and it is an important part of it, there is much more than that. And it mainly focuses on selfdefense. Thus when talking about Jiu-Jitsu, we must clarify which one we are refering to. Japanese Jiu-Jitsu is extremely useful more street fights
I wanted to say the same thing. I agree with everything in the video, but it must be specified that it is about the Brazilian style. There are many jiu-jitsu styles actually. And only BJJ focuses (and specializes) on the ground game. What I would like to add is that Japanese Jiu-Jitsu (or Ju-Jutsu) focuses on self-defense but if they don't spar, they don't know how to fight. If a Japanese Jiu-Jitsu school is also including sparring (or working with any form of resistance and pressure testing) + combining striking & grappling + combining gi and no gi training, then it is one of the most effective forms of self-defense. That is, if you had to pick 1 form of fighting. If you can, combine jiu-jitsu with boxing and some basic weapon defense.
Try Combat Hapkido
Also, original Jujitsu includes atemi waza.
@@krisdamen6472LETS THINK: JAPANESE JUJITSU DEVELOPED FROM FIGHTING ON THE BATTLEFIELD[1] BRAZILIAN JUJITSU POPULARISED BY RING FIGHTING[2] ENUFF SED
@@krisdamen6472Yes exactly! I completely agree!
I was actually fortunate enough to train in Ishin Ryu Ju-Jitsu for around 11yrs from the mid 90’s. It’s a modern evolved combat Japanese Ryu Jiu Jitsu with traditional Jiu Jitsu training and cross training methods but blending Jiu Jutsu, Shorinji-Kempo, Judo, Wing Chun Kung Fu, Iaido, Escrima, Kyokoshin Karate as well as western boxing techniques.
There’s plenty of sparring, weapons training, resistance training and no gi training. It’s actually taught to different military’s also.
I was informed when I was young starting out that the main difference between Japanese ju-jitsu and bjj is that bjj only uses the ground for locks, holds and point scoring whilst Jjj can use it for those reasons, but it mostly uses the ground in self defence scenarios for throws to the ground to actually finish the fight after using standing techniques.
I’ve had a few rough experiences in the street and working security over the years and fortunately my training has meant I’ve never really had to go to the ground unless it was on my terms. I’m forever extremely grateful to have had the opportunity to have trained under Master Kevin Pell as a teenager!
All the very best to you, stay safe!
That depends on the person and the way it's used; people have the perception that Jiu-Jitsu means ground fighting, "It can be used on the ground, however in a street situation you're going to be working from a standing position." The last thing you want to do is end up in a ground-fight. Basically, you practice from the ground to prevent getting hurt, but you fight from your feet.
Sir, I thank you for your honesty. Let's face it, boxing was, is, and always will be number1
I am a lover of martial arts and a practitioner of taekwondo, hapkido, and aikido (although different but similar to Jujitsu). I have personally felt that the application of catches, locks, slams, and throws is very effective on the street.
Like the way you covered both pros and cons because they’re there
5:19 Jiu Jitsu is also about strategy and tactics. You are fighting against two opponents? Keep moving.
You fight three opponents? Keep moving faster. You fight four or five opponents? Keep moving more faster.
The more you are outnumbered, the fastet you move.
You’d have to be moving like the flash 😆
They’ll all jump on you at the same time and that goes for any martial art it’s not a film where they take turns they’ll jump you like a pack of wolves.
@@rabidhoneybadger5436
Who said it's a movie?
@@Jason-Joestar no one but I know a lot of people think it’s like one has a go then the next one when I’m reality they’ll all attack you at the same time, especially these kids nowadays they are nuts.
@@rabidhoneybadger5436 then you know what to do.
This was a great video, though i'd like to humbly submit a few thoughts: 1) old school jujitsu apart from the sport of sitting on ones backside. Actually dealt with strikes from an attacker. 2) though we may not wear a gi in the street, some gi chokes can still apply depending on the kind of jacket or hoodie a person is wearing. Depending on if the situation calls for it legally speaking.
4:25 Jiu Jitsu is a martial art where you learn to fight and defend in any situation. No matter on the ground, sitting or on your feet. By the way: You want to fight on the ground? Fine. Then bring your opponent to the ground.
Really good video and sets out the Pros and cons of BJJ as a martial art for self defence. Id agree whole heartedly with most of them.
If I was inclined to quibble I’d add a pro in that BJJ, much like boxing is a competitive combat sport. Therefore your techniques are honed against opponents who absolutely do not want them to work. This means there is an additional level of efficacy compared to techniques from traditional ‘self defence’ arts where techniques are trained against compliant partners using exaggerated or stylised attacks.
I’d also note that the reliance of BJJ on the gi is overstated. Most practitioners also train no-gi, and most times, especially in the UK, they are probably going to be wearing some clothing. You may grab jeans or a belt to control an opponent and you may not be able to cross-collar a T-shirt but an Ezekiel, baseball bat or guillotine will all work just fine. A blue belt won’t be lying there clueless because they don’t have a gi to grab.
In terms of answering the question - Is it any good for self-defence? Well firstly you need to properly define, what do you mean by “self-defence”? In most youtube videos, including this one, presenters will use the term “street fight” and “self-defence” interchangeably. And that’s because, for most practitioners who happen to be men, especially youngish men, that’s the scenario that they picture when we talk about self-defence.
But the two are not the same, there is an important distinction. A street fight (or pub fight or whatever) is when two or more combatants, both agree to fight. Either explicitly by meeting up, behind the bike sheds when you’re a teenager, or stepping outside as an adult, or implicitly by getting into a row and neither party backing off or walking away. That’s a street fight.
Self-defence is when one party uses violence against another party who has absolutely no interest in being in that situation, so here we would consider an ambush type attack, you are minding your own business or a robbery or sexual attack. Now, if you are female, and most of the population or over a certain age, you are probably far more worried about a robbery or sexual attack than you are a street fight (sorry for generalisations but statistically and anecdotally true). But when we discuss street fights, we are overlooking the needs of half our class members.
There is also physical violence used lawfully as part of your employment, if you are a doorman, police officer, prison officer etc but that’s best saved for another post.
We also need to consider the outcomes we are looking for when we ask, “Is this good for self-defence”. What does “good” like. Well in self-defence “good” is escaping unhurt. If an art or class shows you how to run away without getting hurt or raped, that’s a great outcome. But if I taught a self-defence class that was an hour of turning and sprinting, many practitioners, particularly the young men, would not feel they had achieved what they were after. Because “good” in a street fight means you need to win. The other person needs to come worse than you, and no one should be in any doubt if they tried it again, they would get hurt worse. Different scenarios, different outcomes.
So why the digression? Well to answer is BJJ good for self-defence, it depends on which of these scenarios we are talking about. In a street fight, yeah maybe, its good in a scenario where you know you will get a square go, rare but does happen. Or you can apply it without going to the ground, see Nate Diaz’s recent street fight or Frank Mir clips explaining twist and choke that he used to use as a Vegas doorman. And its great should the fight not go your way and you find yourself on your back. But if I was only going to have one art I’d probably choose Muay Thai or boxing.
However, in a self-defence situation, and lets say in this case we are now talking about a sexual attack. And not a random stranger (these attacks are mercifully rare) but someone the victim, and let's say it’s a she, already knows. Maybe a drunk colleague at a work do or a supposed friend who s given a lift home. Maybe even some she was on a date with, maybe was having a nice kiss and cuddle with, then when she said no more, he kept going? Dads, got daughters? Worst nightmare right?
So, in this scenario, he is already going to be in grappling distance, he is going to have hands on her. He’s going to try and get himself between her open legs (guard position), or behind her (back take). In this scenario, I would say that BJJ is hands down the best self defense system this woman could have learned. Bar none. Boxing at this point of no use, nor any other striking art. She will able to effectively defend the position, neutralise any striking and either get to his eyes, choke him unconscious, or break a limb. In many cases the fact that she is even actively resisting will be enough to deter an attacker who was trying to kid himself this was consensual. Or certainly, prevent him from getting what he was after.
So, is BJJ good for self-defence? Yes, is some scenarios and very good in others that aren’t street fights. Is it the only art you should learn? No, go and learn boxing, Muay Thai, MMA or some competitive striking art where you get punched in the face. The strengths of striking arts offset the weaknesses of grappling and vice versa, in a beautiful violent yin-yang. And for good measure, once you have a really good technical foundation in both striking and grappling, go learn some urban combative, for situation awareness de-escalation, multiple attackers, etc.
Great video, keep em coming.
Yup, women don't usually get involved with bar room punch ups but are much more vulnerable to a one-on-one assault or sexual predator. Women should definitely focus on grappling.
Thank you loads for your vids and teachings! Yeah, I've noticed boxers and grapplers who train seriously and lead a healthy lifestyle are either in great shape or look really tough. What do you think of Judo or Japanese Jiu Jitsu for self defence? I mean, if a bloke has good hands and on top of that, he learns Judo or Japanese Jiu Jitsu...
Judo proved to be the most effective Japense Jujitzu. It beat all the other styles. It was still called Kano's jujitzu. So when brazillain's learned it. They called it Brazillain Jujitzu. Sense BJJ comes from Judo. It will destroy all other Japanese jujitzu styles like Judo did.
@@aldenday6842 Thank you for your insight! I reckon it's good to practise a grappling art whether it be Olympic Wrestling, BJJ...because very often, the punching range turns into the grappling range in a split second, and if you don't know what to do at that range and if your opponent's much bigger than you, even if he doesn't know how to fight, he'll try to overpower you, you know, big men like to use their size and weight a lot...like sumos...haha Most bullies are much bigger and stronger than their victims, and aren't accompanied as they underestimate their preys, so if you're skilled in a grappling art, you can take him to the ground and finish him.
Well i'd say that japanese jiu jitsu can be rather ineffective. It obviously depends on the training method: many modern schools don't sparr and that would make any style straight up useless.
@@wreckyface7620 I know loads of Japanese Jiujitsu clubs where people spar, but I reckon sparring in these schools isn't full contact. It's point-based. Do you think this form of fighting's good for self defence? When you've got time, please check out the following video on TH-cam :
Julien Mathieu (FRA) vs Mike Lingen (NED) World Ju-Jitsu Championships 2014
@@Oyamakancho well point based sparring isn't that bad. I mean, it's definitely not as good as full contact but it's still pretty decent. But the vast majority of schools don't spar in any way or form.
I've watched the video you suggested and i have to say that to me it just looks like bad sambo. The grappling isn't great and i can't really speak for the striking.
Lived outside of boston for a while and got into a handful of real brawls...not sure if bjj would have done much, but boxing definitely came in handy
Amen! Finally someone with some sense. The first lesson any real street fighter learns is how to defend against the groin kick - the second is how to escape the shoot or one legged takedown. I've destroyed everyone who's shot for my legs since the seventh grade. Never go to the ground. If you are on the bottom you get road rash and if you are on the top, you will probably be kicked in the face by a "bystander" (personal experience) ... if you submit someone and let them up, they will most likely punch you in the eye (personal experience) if you choke them out and they die, you go to trial for murder. If you are sitting on someone and they or a bystander uses deadly force on you, they will probably win and the judge will rule in their favor and they will walk.
Big fax. Better to break someone’s nose or orbital bone and be over w/it (& maybe even avoid police involved) than all the negatives that come w/ BJJ
I feel like most martial arts have something to offer for self defense, but on the other hand most don't offer the complete solution. Also self defense isn't just a set of martial arts techniques but also being aware of the situation and learning skills like verbal deescalation.
I agree that people should train multiple modalities I think we're the best martial art for self-defense conversation always get stuck is if you were only able to train in one for whatever reason what would be your best option for self-defense
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I think part of it is also that the mindset of boxing gyms or Muay Thai gyms is typically more serious and competitive it creates toughness and that alone can dissolve problems.
Good video. Some mma gyms cross train no gi jiu jitsu and wrestling. I think that would change the answer a bit compared to only traditional gi jiu jitsu.
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That tatoo is awesome Bro, I guess its Lizbet II, right?
I suppose the counter-arguments are -
* knocking out an opponent (let alone four in four seconds 5:27) with a strike is very hard/unlikely
* no style will work against multiple attackers
* going to the ground is not the objective of BJJ self-defense, this is a strawman 4:38, escape is primary
This channel and Gabriel Varga are 2 of the best martial arts channels on YT, along with Jesse Enkamp, Machida Karate and Ramsey Dewey.
Let's not forget the early 90's and Royce Grace seems like he did pretty well against strikers.
Hey Tony. I have read books by Royce and Renzo Gracie where they advocated and demonstrated strikes to be used in the street. They clearly prefer to be on the ground but for example in Royce Gracie book he demonstrates the chop to the neck, the Elbow, the side kick and like you he demonstrates a slap to the face using the body to generate power. The chop to neck has become real popular lately as a result of a video by Tim Larkin. Anyway I agree with you about learning both and about attacking first if you have no choice but to fight. I believe the first blow trump's style.
It depends but i feel they should learn Catch Wresling because of the takedown and tecniches of smash that you do and also is not a slow motion and not water down style unlike BJJ is.
You may not learn how to defend punchs, but the focus and awareness can be a counter to that. Like, you may be able to react and lock its hand
I have to agree. I also do crowd control work in nightclubs. I’ve been doing it since 2000 and I definitely had my share of fights. And falling on the ground was not an option for us because of objects on the ground alcohol broken glass, falling on tables, etc. And the other thing is if you fall on the ground and try to manipulate someone you are using all your weapons while they are kicking you and punching you. so this is not an effective fighting system. But you cannot punch and kick someone doing crowd control either. As you stated before you have to be aware of video surveillance and assaulting people is not the way to go. We are using soft hand techniques and using pain compliance, which is “defensible medically, acceptable. So joint manipulations were the way to go. But if you’re doing a straightforward and everything goes, then you want to be standing. The most I would ever get down to the ground is one knee down to do a number , but never to because it is too hard to get up. But yes, thank you for that advice I always love your podcast
I disagree about the gi because most fabrics do have a good bit of strength vs someone’s capability to stay conscious and when you train no gi it’s only better effective when clothes aren’t on someone I know no gi jitz but I’d love to know a few more handles to have in a street situation, what’s the worst thing that happens you tear the handle and cover up and go to new handle?
I done Judo, and I fought some boxers, and I just fake a hook to a rear naked choke, Boxing and Judo or BJJ is a amazing combo, but I will never forget my Muay Thai background
Actually, there's big difference between Brasillian Jiu Jitsu and Jiu Jitsu, in traditional Jiu Jitsu you are learning about punching, kicking and also takedowns, grappling elements etc.
Jiu Jitsu fight doesn't always must end on the ground, but in Brasillian Jiu Jitsu always ends both of you on the ground.
But despite this little fact, you're completly right.
I would vouch that there is one style in between that is required to be well-rounded in a street fight, and that is judo (or wrestling - take your pick). Boxing is for striking where most fights start, Jiu-jitsu is for the last resort when you both end up on the floor, but judo is that middle scenario where grappling comes into play, and so it gives you the ability to shift your opponent's weight and take them down (or slam them) to the ground. During the winter is probably where it's most effective on the street, where your potential assaulters are wearing jackets.
This is why I also think that combat Jujutsu (Japanese Jujutsu - not Brazilian Jiu-jitsu) is quite overlooked. It's a martial art that has all 3 scenarios included in one package (as does combat Sambo). Furthermore, Japanese Jujutsu is a martial art born for purely self defence, thus it has the added teachings of being dirty and striking erroneous areas with certain parts of your body. For example, Jujutsu practitioners prefer to guillotine with the blade/bone of your forearm crushing your opponent's Adam's apple whilst their head is cranked directly against your stomach. They like that forearm blade targeting the neck, they like elbows, grabbing, knees, headbutts and palm strikes, they practice face raking, eye gouging, ear popping. They study ramming your opponents against walls and taking advantage of it, doing clever take downs followed by submissions designed to cripple, such as a one-legged Boston crab succeeding a low blow on a downed opponent or wristlock after torpedoing a knee on your downed opponents' head. It's a martial art designed for instant self defense, as nasty as it might sound, thus it's very effective on the street, especially as you're taught to convey an unassuming body language yet remain prepared, whilst there are also lessons on when to escape/retreat (which is hilariously first and foremost). More importantly, there are sessions practiced to defend yourself against melee weapons.
Both Judo and Brazilian Jiu-jitsu stemmed from Japanese Jujutsu, but the other two have become a sport with set conditions compared to the latter. Of course any fight fundamentally boils down to the worker, not the tools, but Jujutsu isn't a bad thing to know in one's arsenal if they can't be bothered to learn a striking sport, a grappling sport and a submission sport on separate days.
I’ve used it in some unfortunate altercations. If the person you are engaged with doesn’t know jiu jitsu and you have years of practice, you will
have distinct advantage. Especially the longer it goes. As long as it’s 1 on 1.
If they haven't trained, a few months gives you a strong advantage.
@@Dan-440 I agree. But, a few years gives you that sense of calm and confidence
@@alistairhenshall9204 Fukk calm and confidence not based upon reality. I have trained in Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Judo, BJJ. I have heard of BJJ black belts and even a Purple belt winning a fight then they get cut with a knife and die. What is solution? ALWAYS have a pair of hard plastic or brass knuckles and have good boxing skills. You will win 99% of your fights even against a POS armed with a Knife. But a gun will always win. Knowing how to fight is important. Even though I had to learn and demonstrate the 40 throws of Kodokan Judo to get a black belt that is all bullshit just like BJJ with a gi is bullshit. When I roll with a BJJ guy in a gi I usually kick his ass in a tournament rull set because I will beat him on points in the stand up game and he cant do crap to me on the ground because I learned great Judo matwork that is very effective. But it's all bulshit. You really only need 1 or 2 Gi throws for winter weather but in ALL WEATHER you only need 5 total No Gi throws that YOU are an EXPERT at. Then Muay Thai, Ground and Pound, maybe 3 submissions. But in REAL WORLD Boxing and Brass Knuckles will end a Street Fight
You wanna be running away from danger, not rolling around in it.
Thanks for the great vids your a great coach and your Boxing vs BJJ series is legendary thanks for getting out of your comfort zone! But Tony could you try Olympic wrestling now? Daniel Cormier has a great club maybe near you check it out California has good wrestling. Also check out Bolton's George Ramm 3rd at the junior Europeans and Commonwealths he wrestles in the German Bundesliga
Maybe you and George Ramm could collab someday
The best answer is Yes and Nuuuuuuoooo 😂. I love this guy
I've done a little bit of karate, judo, and BJJ each over the years. I do have the thought of street fights in the back of my mind but I have so far been too skilled at the art of avoiding them...that said there is something to be learned just from having one "trained 1000 times" technique in each, plus sparring experience. You want to know both your options and their options, because then you are playing the full game, and restricting to only strikes, throws or grappling each is limiting. Throwing does tend to get overlooked - even in the relatively low restrictions of MMA - because it won't end a fight on mats, but it will on concrete. Sport Judo has the focus on ippon in part because the central idea of the combat art is that if you get a clean, forceful throw that lands them flat on their back, you have probably put them in the hospital. Of course, sport rules have diluted the focus quite a bit over time, thus the top competitors tend to look like they are playing patty-cake with each other's gis and never land a throw.
So, if I had to reduce everything to one technique, and we're assuming random untrained assailant with more energy than skill, it would probably be to become incredible at o soto gari, and then when things get heated, smoothly move in close, hands up, lapel, sleeve, hop, sweep, fight over. If they aren't wearing sleeves it still works, they just won't be taken off-balance quite as easily.
I got some amateur boxing and kickboxing fights, been doing BJJ for 6 months very consistently and I have learned a lot, but the main reason I learn it is to avoid it. People that like to cause trouble in the streets are usually tough because they have back up. Would hate to be in the ground for such a situation, even if I’m on top.
The problems arise when it's not a one on one in a controlled environment, which a street fight rarely is. Multiple attackers, weapons, getting your balls squashed, fingers in the eyes, getting bitten by a junkie with hiv....
Otherwise, someone like you with pro boxing and a decent bit of juijjitsu is a beast. 😊
Been in some rough pub scraps over the years(I'm Irish) and it's usually mayhem. Bottles, pints glasses, and stools flying everywhere, people coming from every angle, lads with knives. A mate if mine got blindsided with one of those old school pub ashtrays. He ended up losing his spline. Another mate went through a plate glass window. Another mate nearly had his throat cut(6 stitches on the neck) and I was once rolling on the ground trying to wrestle a Stanley blade(bixcutter) away from a lad, got slashed on the ear, and the lad's mate came from halfway across the pub with a penalty kick that broke 2 of my ribs, and a few in the face that gave me a mangled face. 😂 I saw the kicks coming, but had to just take them as I didn't want to let go of the lad's arm with the knife... Pure mayhem. Haha! The good old days, eh?
Is Ireland Somalia or what mate? Jesus...
Purple belt here:
4. It really depends on the school if they learn defense against striking. At my school we definitely learn and drill striking defense.
3. Guard pulling is definitely a stupid choice for self defense. That's largely an outcome of sport BJJ where it needs to get to the ground. My professor said to me after a lost a match "WE DON'T PULL GUARD". 83% of fights that last over 10 seconds end up on the ground. It's best to know how to dominate on the ground. That said, I'll avoid going to the ground if I can. Throw opponent then run. Or just run.
2. Accurate. We don't want to get kicked in the face or surprise attacked by the friend.
1. Practice no gi or at least learn submissions and control without the gi.
Thanks for the video! I agree with your conclusion. Learn both!
It depends.
Which ryu of of Ju-jitsu?
Koryu or Goshin?
Which combat form derived from Ju-jitsu?
Which sport form derived from Ju-jitsu?
Which budo form derived from Ju-jitsu?
The ideal self-defence format would deal with single and multiple attackers, work effectively with:
1. standing and ground techniques,
2. strikes - defences from strikes and use of strikes
3. nerve point attacks,
4. locks, disarms, restraints and dislocations (small and large joint),
5. Defend against long weapon attacks (baseball bats, chains, pool cues, etc), short weapon attacks (knives, bottles, hammers, etc).
6. Both defend against and use strangling/choking techniques.
That set of techniques can be found in some schools of martial arts...
You got Kumite Ryu Jujitsu, Sanuces Ryu Jujitsu, Danzaan Ryu Jujitsu, Atemi Ryu Jujitsu, etc there are so many.
It is useful if you get caught and taken down. Some JJ tricks are helpful, but you need to knock down or out your opponent quickly as street fights usually end in less than 15 or 20 seconds.
I’d like to train BJJ and Boxing but I don’t have time for both. Would training MMA twice a week cover both bases?
I train at an MMA gym usually twice a week, one class is grappling based entirely (it's very similar to a BJJ class) and the other focuses more on striking. MMA grappling classes are just as good as BJJ classes if you still want to train for grappling competitions and stuff so yeah I'd say an MMA gym is a great option given what you're looking for. Plus with MMA you'll learn to use your knees, elbows and feet as well as your hands.
Best course of action is to stand up fight unless you're taken down. Remember if you on the ground you can't escape.
Thanks Tony your a G
Ur welcome mate
You also didn’t factor in weapons. Traditional and non traditional. A ball point pen in the eye can really mess up your day.
I've loved watching your videos but as a former judoka I've always wanted to see how you would get on in judo?
I'll think about it mate, thanks for the suggestion 👊🏻
Hi, does Judo work in a street fight because i want to combine it with my boxing
Great video. I will say the "confidence" one for a lot of these guys turns into "arrogance". When it crosses that line, it detracts from your performance.
I do BJJ, black belt in Karate from years and years ago, but I practice Glock style now days. Very effective, as I found out, keeping one out of an attack.
Hey Tony, you should try Nogi Jiu-Jitsu!!!
And about the street thing: both...people should learn a bit of BJJ(or wrestling) if they only do boxing and vice-versa
Hi mate have you watched my video where I fight a NO GI Champ?
th-cam.com/video/okarE01PwlI/w-d-xo.html
Wrestling/jiujitsu is the way to go. Fortunately I'm from a big wrestling state so it's always been mixed where I train.
Very well done, and very objective.
A few thoughts, remember the mat is your friend who lies to you. 😅
And if I may, you might want to consider adding knife training into your regimine. Knives add a whole new dimension to a self defense dynamic. This is something I do with my training and, if can be so bold, it really changes your perspective. You gain a healthy respect for bladed weapons, and quickly realize your limitations.
Oh, and just how bad you'll get cut up. 😮
Did you watch the 'ultimate self defence' series from martial arts journey's channel? They had a bunch of life long martial artists - including an ex police officer, a professional world class MMA fighter etc... do a test facing off against knife attack scenarios. The short answer is that knife defence is mmm pretty difficult in reality. Everyone got stabbed, multiple times, mostly fatally regardless of their approach. It was very eye opening. Not to say it's not worth bothering with - but looking at that test really made me re-evaluate what I'd do in a knife defence situation. I think your best bet honestly is to try and run away or surrender - failing that grab another weapon - any weapon, be that a bottle, a chair or whatever...
The best defence against a knife is to run. Take it from someone who once blocked one and ended up with 50 stitches and 4 severed tendons. The block saved my life, but I would always advise running. 😊
@@kcwliew I hear ya. Knives are no joke, very accessible and it's commonplace for people to carry them in various parts of the world.
Even though I carry a karambit everyday, a knife confrontation is not something I'd want to deal with.
I'd run if possible, yet if forced I'd pull my blade since most criminals would not want to get into a knife fight
Plus its been said in a good knife fight one guy dies, the other guy dies later 😅
@@musashidanmcgrath sorry that happened to you, and glad you're ok. Safe to say you saved yourself from serious damage
Many Thanks Tony for this insightful vid
You say work on boxing and BJJ?
I’d counter that, (not contradict you) as alternative to BJJ, with boxing also combined it with Judo or Wrestling…
Any grappling makes you vulnerable. One must know where and when. Remember, no rules in street fight.
I imagine, for the average person grappling martial arts are much more applicable in a streetfight because you can do a lot more serious sparing. Of course in boxing you can do serious spars, but due to the increased risk of trauma, its much harder. But I would wager a high level boxer will be much more dangerous in a street fight in comparison to a bjj expert. But lets be real, how many top fighters are going to be starting fights with you in the middle of the night?
After doing Jiu jitsu for 18 years I can say the stand up chokes are brilliant along with the wrist locks . Anything else like Boxing and Kickboxing Judo has a better advantange
you know Stand up chocked are much harder to pull of when punches or kicks are coming your way.
boxers are brilliant at footwork and managing distance! if don’t have a striking background you would have a very hard time landing a jab let alone getting to their neck.
@@thatpersiandude7386BJJ users drank waaaay to much of the koolaid