David Crosby If I Could Only Remember My Name - 45rpm Comparison
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- David Crosby If I Could Only Remember My Name had been featured on the channel twice before, and today I talk about the new Analogue Productions Atlantic 75 in comparison to the Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab SuperVinyl 45 from a few years back. Both 45, both AAA from the master tape. The Mofi was cut by Krieg Wunderlich and the AP is a new cut done by Bernie Grundman. Apparently the Classic Records 45 plates were not used for reasons unknown.
This time I am evaluating on my new system, which you can view here in the System Update video: • System Update! Featuri...
Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab - David Crosby - If I Could Only Remember My Name
Supervinyl Series, Numbered Limited Edition of 3,000. Mastered AAA from the original master tape by Krieg Wunderlich, pressed at RTI
Analogue Productions - David Crosby - If I Could Only Remember My Name
Atlantic 75 Series, Numbered Limited Edition of 2,000. tape Mastered AAA from the original master tape by Bernie Grundman, pressed at QRP
00:00 Introduction
01:47 System Update
02:59 The Mofi SuperVinyl 45
06:05 The AP Atlantic 45
11:00 Conclusion
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Hi Scott. I don't own ANY copies of this, but it's been on my radar for a while. But now I'll get the A-75 version without hesitation. I thoroughly enjoy your channel and all your reviews and commentary. I'll be "like" number 13. We need to get you more viewers....You're one of the finest reviewers out there, in my opinion. Thanks again! (Oops! I was number 14!!) 😀
Well, thank you for your kind words about the channel. It's catching on steadily but for anyone reading this please share the video wherever you see fit. I think once people find the channel they will enjoy it, but it's surprising how many have just discovered it! Three years now.
You'll love the Atlantic 75. It's the best
This was my first taste of a 45 RPM vinyl and I must say it’s amazing. A very big acoustic sound with guitars and vocals that wash over you. Your description was spot on. I felt like i was in Laurel Canyon hearing it performed for the first time. Thanks Scott
Awesome! What a GREAT choice for your first 45. This record is one that is totally transformed with the benefits of 45. It really expands musically and you really do feel as if they are performing for you. The whole vibe is hypnotic and so damn musical. Glad to hear your take on it! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Woot!!! I can't wait! I love this music.
I have the MoFi 2x45 which I think sounds great. I ordered the QRP Atlantic 75 2x45 version assuming it would sound better than the MoFi, becasue most of my AP/QRP titles sound better than most of my MoFi titles. I haven't had a chance to do the comparison yet, things have been unusually busy these past few weeks.
I'm super excited to hear your take. Maybe this weekend I'll get a chance to compare my mofi and atlantic 75 versions.
A few years ago, I was at the GroundUP music festival in North Miami Beach and David Crosby was one of the headliners. His show was magical.
The next day, I was watching a different band, it was a local band not a household name. But they were cookin'. There was limited seating and most of us were standing. In the middle of a tune, I noticed that Cros was standing immediately to my right, digging on the music like me and everyone else. He was so close to me, I could have touched him. I could have given him a hug and tell him how the CSN record with Guinevere and Suite Judy Blue Eyes was the first record I ever bought as a kid. But I was too starstruck and nervous. Plus it would have been weird for him for a stranger, a grown man, to hug him in the middle of watching a concert. Oh well.
Have you been to the GUMfest? It's small, the crowd is well-behaved, the music is great, the food is (mostly) great (though a bit pricey), and the festival grounds are right next to the beach & ocean. Plus, many of the artists do workshops where you can learn about their craft, their approach to the music, stuff like that. And the musicians are very accessible, you can meet almost every one of them, because when they're not on the stage, they're watching other bands, or wandering around the festival grounds interacting with fans.
Great story! No I have never been to it, but I will investigate if it's still going on. Haven't heard too much about it. I'm glad you are excited for this video. I too was thrilled with the MOFI when it was released. I preferred it to the Grundman Classic 33 and the Bellman 50th. My system was much different when I did the last comparison over a year ago. Now there is new cartridge, phono stage, amp, and speakers! I really sat down and carefully went back and forth between these two and.....
I'll keep you in suspense until tomorrow!
I can't wait to hear back from you after you've heard both back to back. I bet your experience will mirror mine.
Hi Scott got mine yesterday along with Atlantic 75, The yes Album. They both sound great. The MFSL 2 x 45 is still available at Music Direct but now its $125.
Kevin Gray did an amazing job with The Yes Album.
I too just got my copy of The Yes Album. Kevin did a great job on it. I was thrilled. It surpassed all the other copies I had by a bid margin. Such a pleasure to hear.
Great vid, as always, Scott! I've got weird luck. I live in an area with lots of good record stores and the surest way to guarantee that I find an affordable OG pressing is to announce a gourmet reissue. Alan Parsons, CSN, Bad Co., and then just last week.... This one! Every time MoFi or AP announce a title, an OG shows up in a local shop. It's such a great album. The 2 Atlantic 75 titles I've gotten so far include CS&N. I hadn't planned on getting this one. I may have to reconsider.
Thanks! That is good luck! Especially if they are inexpensive. I always like to have a good example of the original and the best reissue. I'm pretty confident this is the best reissue and I have heard all except the Classic 45. Really well done.
Great review Scott
I’m on the fence with this one as I really love the Mofi 45…. I’ll have to listen a couple more times to help decide what to do here.
Cheers
Thanks. You might be all set if you really love the MOFI. I have always liked it too. I hope if this recording means a lot to you that you get to hear the Atlantic 45 somehow. Maybe I'll see if I can get some files of the two versions up. That would be cool!
A truly engaging and satisfying recording.
It sure is. Very unique sound. The whole vibe is what sets it apart. Do you have any vinyl editions that you can comment on?
@@ThePressingMatters I have the Classic, MOFI, and the new Atlantic 75 and whatever came out originally. I was too young to fully appreciate what I was hearing then. The Classic edition struck me as detailed, but it didn’t knock me out. The MOFI really moved me. Cowboy Movie felt like a warm blanket of sound. Very powerful and moving with a vivid soundstage. However, the Atlantic 75 had better overall balance. I’m sure I didn’t give them all as critical a listen; these are more initial impressions. The MOFI and 75 (and living with the album for over 50 years) helped me fully appreciate this masterpiece. Thank you for what you do!
@jodygoeler586 Great observations, thank you so much for sharing them.
Great video as always. I have the Classic 4 x 45 rpm LP set. I assumed that this was the same plates so I didn’t bother. I may have to check this new one out.
Thanks for your comment! I'm very curious how the Classic 45 and the AP 45 compare and so far you are the only one who has it! If you do get the new one please come let us know the differences you heard.
Scott, thank you. I have a beat up copy from the late 70's. When Analogue Productions announced the Atlantic 75 was coming I pretty much was waiting for it. But now, after your review, I'll pull the trigger on it for sure. Honestly, Scott you are becoming a national treasure yourself. Your reviews are the best. I often wait to purchase until I've had the chance to hear your take on a release. Your review on The Lark was bang on. Thanks Scott.
Wow, thank you so much for the kind words and encouragement. Your message made my day!
Now as far as the release in question, I'm absolutely certain you will love it. I have no doubt at all.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Someone just added a great comment on The Lark record.
@halfsquatch said " My God, if the first track of this record doesn't bring you to tears with its beauty, nothing will"
We both know exactly what he's talking about!
Absolutely. You just drop the needle on this record (The Lark) and you are emotionally carried away. But thanks to Scott, for I would never have discovered this record and so many others if not for him and his brilliant reviews. He is seriously underrated. I would love to see a discussion between Scott and Chad Kassam.
@@leapolddilg I see that in my future 😁
Thank you Scott for another thoughtful review. I am just curious if you have any sibilance on your MoFi or Atlantic 75th on "Traction in the Rain". I have three original Broadway Atlantic's and all have a sibilance on David's vocals.
Hi Bill,
Thanks for your question. I will play it again and take a listen for that. I hadn't noticed anything obvious during this listening session but I may have missed it. Will report back.
Knowing that I don’t need another copy of an album has never stopped me and probably never will 😄. I’ve just bought yet another copy of Santana’s Caravanserai, this time on Speakers Corner. Nice to see some popular music featured again, there’s always a good mix of popular/rock/ classical on your channel, Scott.
Robert you may need this copy!
What else have you got for this Crosby album?
@@ThePressingMatters Scott, I don’t have any versions of this, sadly so now you’ve sent me on yet another quest, which is fine of course 😊
@@robertmorgan9205 Well worth picking up this version, Robert. The music is unlike anything you've ever heard. Very unique
@@ThePressingMatters I’d always take your advice when it comes to which version to choose so I’ve noted that thanks, Scott.
Great review as always. We get them a little bit later here in Sweden. Hoping my copy arrives next week!
Hope to hear back from you once you've heard it! Please return and comment. And thanks for watching!
@@ThePressingMatters got a hand full of the releases and I have been nothing but blown away by them. They are pricy here in Sweden due to all being US imports so about 90-100 dollar for one but it’s worth it imo. End game on the once I got.
Still a good value with the quality of this series. Most are definitive I would say.
As always I really enjoy your reviews and will continue to watch them...but some music just does not resonate with me. I suppose the biggest reason for this was that I made my living primarily as a jazz player (with some latin and horn-band influences), however I really enjoy WHY you like one record over the other, regardless if the style of music is not my thing...your 'technical' comparisons and analysis is always enjoyable to take in... Great job as always...
Thank you Ray!
Excellent review.
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Hmmm…🤔
I have the Mobile Fidelity 45 and hoped I was already sorted but maybe not…
I just received Gaucho the other week…this Bernie Grundman chap is driving me to penury 😆
Nice review Scott, thank you!
I think Bernie deserves every accolade he's garnered over the years. His work today is better than ever. His Gaucho was fantastic. This too is a beauty. l will try and get files up for this one soon, if you think you can wait.
I know it's crazy what we do in this hobby, and getting another expensive copy - well there better be a reason that is musically and sonically important. The MOFI is a good record, but I think this one is quite a bit better. The MOFI grabs you with its impressive dynamic range and extended detail and bass. It's quite impressive and was my favorite since it arrived. I think 45 is a must for this album. Bernie's gives us the advantages of the format with a more refined, natural, organic and overall musical presentation.
I hope you can hear it back to back somehow. My friend Oz is expecting his copy and I'll ask him to do an A/B video or files.
@@ThePressingMatters great stuff, I’ll keep an eye out for that.
Thanks, I'm glad I didn't buy MoFi. Waiting for a 75 th preorder to ship together. Great review !!!!
Both are nice records but in close comparison, the Atlantic was a better listen for me. I think Bernie did a wonderful job bringing out the best of this recording in the most natural, musical way. I'm certain you will love it.
This is the one to get , I think you might be disappointed with the Classic 45 from 20 years ago .
Love your reviews and this is on order now and I also can't wait for the Yes and the rest of the Genesis . 👍😁
Hi Tony,
Though I've never heard the Classic 45, I do own the 33 and it's ok. This is on a whole new level. Can't wait to hear what you think about it! I have a Yes preview coming up and you know I'll cover every Genesis album in detail.
@@ThePressingMatters I will let you know when it arrives 👍😁
I love your work Scott and always look forward to every episode. I have been listening to an original pressing of this album for many years, it has always been a stand out recording in original for and OGs use to sell for good $$. I am a bit concerned with how these reviews are going towards being system dependent which throws me off. I have strived to get my system in a place of sound good but not so analytical to require only audiophile pressings to be enjoyable. Anyway, love you channel.
Hi Mark. The system changes are an interesting thing in how I perceive these records. If anything I am moving away from an analytical system because I don't enjoy that. All tubes, a very natural sounding speaker. It sounds like we're on a similar path. Upgrading but avoiding a clinical, soulless presentation. You probably know by now by sonic priorities - natural sound with a touch of warmth. I can't stand bright etched overly detailed sound . I feel I'm in the best position I've ever been in to comment on sound differences. I'm certain if you had these two side by side, you'd appreciate the MOFI, but love the AP.
@@ThePressingMatters Precisely and well said.
Just to expand a bit on system voicing, I knew I was headed in the wrong direction a couple of years ago. I had a good sound in general, but I was never feeling like exploring my collection and was limiting my choices to audiophile stuff that was going to sound great on it. I was avoiding playing a lot of my collection because the system was not allowing me to enjoy those other records as much. So I went through and got some advice from someone I trusted, and brought more tubes into the system, addressed the cartridge and speakers, and my collection was back in rotation. I had the excitement to hear the next record after record, and it was a relief. Now my system doesn't make a poor recording sound magically good, but each one is shown in its best light. The system is more musical now, rather than hifi verging on analytical.
Love your review Scott I have the Mofi which I like a lot I had the Classic records 33 I wasn’t happy with the sound I sold the Classic 33 I’m definitely going to grab the AP 45 Im definitely going to take your word. Bernie mastering choices are great I’m glad he recut it .
I'm sure you'll hear exactly what I'm talking about. The Classic 33 was not as good as I had hoped. The 45 from that period is probably better but now we have this and it's fantastic. You'll love this version. Let me know if you get it and what you thought!
@@ThePressingMatters I will soon as I get it Scott.
If this had come out before the last release of the mofi, I would have preferred this one.
But I can't keep doubling and tripling up on these expensive records anymore, so I'm satisfied with my mofi...unless a good price came along 😂
The MOFI is a good record, one of their best of the last few years. No shame in stopping there. I'm sure there will be a few that prefer it. I'm going to sell my sealed MOFI but keep my copy. It makes a nice alternative to the more natural AP.
I just picked up the Atlantic 75th but haven’t been able to listen to it. I also have the Mofi and, while it sounded good, the vinyl was too noisy for my taste, especially for an album at that cost point. I’m hoping the 75th bests it in that regard. Thanks for your review.
I was able to clean both ultrasonically, so the MOFI was pretty nice in that regard. But the AP is nearly its match and is say it's quieter than many UHQRS on Clarity Vinyl. Please let me know what you think once you've really had a good back and forth with the two. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Good video. And good commentary on the importance of playback equipment. Listening, enjoying, observing, even filming/writing is fine, but using a $50 cart and inexpensive speakers to audition no matter how good your ears or insight, you’ll miss lots.
Thanks Anthony. I feel with all the upgrades I am on a solid footing to at least describe what I hear with some credibility. Revealing the equipment is something I think is extremely important.
Hi Scott, Good review. I compared DR values from mofi to A75. The mofi is a bit more dynamic. I like them both. The mofi is certainly more detailed. Mofi seems so hifi!
Is it possible we are just hearing the difference between Bernie and Krieg's speakers? It is interesting that you notice a difference with your speaker changes. I know Bernie prides himself on his speakers. They both will stay with me. The mofi seems so hifi. Bernie’s seems dare is say “grainy”. It like 4k vs DVD. What do I want to watch? Well, I am a details guy so I appreciate the uber clarity.
I would certainly agree, the MOFI is a bit more dynamic and detailed. It is a good record, one of their best. It's just now hearing this new one, I can see how it's enhanced a bit for a more hi fi presentation. I think some might prefer it, though in my system right now I preferred the more slightly laid back, organic sound that Bernie got out of this. I'll be keeping both!
I didn't sense the graininess, but perhaps the sharp clarity of the MOFI could make Bernie's cut seem more diffuse. I just think it works for this recording. I was very surprised Bernie got Music Is Love to be more listenable. It's always stuck out as a mix of lo fi and hi fi. I thought is sounded better than ever on the AP.
@@ThePressingMatters right on! It is wild how all these little things we notice. I guess this is why we love records etc. thanks for the great content!
You're welcome, my friend. So great to have you onboard here.
Actually, the MoFi pressing of this record is AAA (like the two MoFi 45s of American Beauty and Workingman's Dead).
Yes, it is (noted in the review) which makes the comparison even more interesting. Same tape, different equipment and eq . Both excellent but different. I love a more natural sound so I do like the AP better. I'd never let go of the MOFI though. Different more detailed presentation that I don't mind hearing once in a while.
@@ThePressingMattersOops, I misunderstood what you said in the video. 😅
Have a minty 1st press which sounds stunning. My pressing is flat silent and my system has no need for a sub woofer. Never liked MOFI's tinkering agree MOFI tends to be "hey look at me" on a high end system
Yes, I love not needing a sub and having the bass as part of the design is a big plus in the way it integrates. Feels seamless and bits great it's deep enough for my room.
I really thought the MOFI would be the best but I've changed cart, phono, amp and speakers since hearing it last. Yup they tinker too much.
I finally got around to listening to this version and comparing it to the Mofi. Overall, both sound very good, but the Mofi seems a tad bloated on the bass and overall the vocals seem more recessed and less distinct than on the Atlantic 75th. That’s not to say that the Mofi is a bad sounding pressing; it isn’t. It’s just that to my ears and on my system, the Atlantic 75th sounds more balanced and natural. I continue, however, to find it frustrating how the 75th Anniversary edition jackets are smaller than traditional 12 inch vinyl jackets. It’s going to require a custom cut on my VSS dual pocket sleeves to create a tighter fit. I’m mystified by this.
Agreed, the MOFI is exactly as you describe, and it's not a bad job at all. I always liked it and still do. The bass seems like it is more in balance (for this recording) on the Atlantic. These are subtleties and I can understand some may prefer the MOFI. For sure the Atlantic is a more balanced presentation.
If you can figure out how to custom cut the sleeves for smaller gatefolds, I'd love to know the technique. I wish they would create a slightly shorter version for doing gatefolds as we do.
Hey Scott,
How does this pressing handle the distortion in the vocals on the first two tracks? When I bought the MOFI, I think the consensus was that it was baked into the tapes. But if this has less high end attenuation, hopefully there is less distortion.
It's always going to be there to some extent on Music is Love. For the second track, I'm not sure I know what you hear - I'll have to doublecheck for any distortion on Cowboy Movie. I don't recall any of much significance.
I felt this pressing handled it better than any other I've heard, but Music is Love will always sound that way.
@@ThePressingMattersthanks for thoughts. I listened to it yesterday and heard some distortion on Cowboy Movie’s vocals, but I think my stylus is nearing the end of its life and will be replacing it ASAP. So that could be the culprit
@@syr1964 it very well could be. That's exactly the kind of thing you notice first. I'll check it out and reply when I have a free moment to revisit it.
Scott, I wouldn't make the assumption about the Classic 45 if you've only heard the 33. With regard to the Classic 33 and 45 of Kind Of Blue, for instance, they were cut years apart and sound somewhat different, some of it having to do with it being cut at 45. I'm sure.
That being said, good comment about knowing the system (including the room and room treatment) of the reviewer. Of course, there are other factors such as their ears and their knowledge of natural tonality.
Hi Jeff,
You have a point of course, and there shouldn't be an assumption. Probably wasn't necessary to comment about it, even in speculation.
Jeff,
I was wondering if you have this recording, and which version you have.
Scott, I have a 1st press Italian pressing, believe it or not. It had been recommended to me years ago, as, I was told, they tube mastered their records. I have no other copy with which to compare, and haven't heard it years. But with this latest release. I want to pull it out (the LP, that is) and listen to it. 🙂
@jeffbellin8224 Wow that is unusual! Definitely have a listen to it. It might be all you need. The best originals do sound lovely.
I'll pull it out and give it a cleaning and a listen. By the way, a copy of the Gaucho UHQR just arrived.
What do you think of the 33.3 Chris Bellman cut ? If you made a video answering this I apologize.
I'd really need to revisit it. When I shot out the 33s (Classic and Rhino) it was a long time ago in a different system. I can take a listen soon and let you know. However if you don't mind 45s, this record really benefits from it.
I think at the time I might have preferred the Classic. Would you like me to listen to the Bellman and the Atlantic? That actually would be good to do.
@@ThePressingMatters - that’d be great, and I love 45 rpm’s. Since Bernie and Chris share a shop plus the edge 45 rpm gives it might be the 45 by a nose. Thanks !
@mikezlotnicki6684 I'm pretty sure, going off memory, that the Atlantic surpasses everything I've heard.
I will check for you though
I just listened to it tonight. Then played the Atlantic. There's no question in my mind - the Atlantic is superior. Much more open sounding, many stunning and beautiful moments. The Bellman is ok, but I never felt at any time it bettered the Atlantic. Much better overall musical involvement with the Atlantic. The music feels expansive, like it can finally breathe. I would seriously consider it over any other pressing. Hope that helps!
@@ThePressingMatters Sounds like I may sell the Bellman and grab the Atlantic !!! Thanks again.
Hi Scott, it appears you are getting cold feet re Jazz, is that possibly the case? Cheers
Well, I'd say I'm sticking closely to my map of what I feel are essential jazz releases I know I will play more than a few times. There's such a flood of stuff I get a bit overwhelmed. I'm looking forward to some things coming up in the AS Verve Series. I also have a temporary low budget, due to a big system upgrade.
If there's a particular release you think you'd like covered, I'm open to suggestions!
@@ThePressingMatters Nothing urgent really, I am keen on those new 7 LPs from Monk, coming in both the boxset and individually from Analogue Productions. Thanks!
@@drazenbabich Yes that definitely caught my eye. I'll look into it.
I've got a bunch of diverse stuff coming up - some hard rock (Trower Bridge Of Sighs) Jazz Vocal ( Billie Holiday Body And Soul), Prog Rock (Yes and Génesis, Classical (Michelangeli Ravel Piano Concerto) Jazz (Johnny Hodges, Ellington), and a full length Opera (Callas/Lucia/1955) and a top 10 list, equipment review, accessory review, etc
Where else you gonna find Robin Trower and Maria Callas on one channel lol!)
In my opinion the 45 RPM Mobile Fi is not so good. I guess if this would be AAA. Unfortunately I wasted my money on this one since I prefer by large an original US pressing that I bought many years ago
Yes, I understand that the MOFI is just not going to please every listener. Originals are so good, so natural, that the MOFI seems a bit odd with the enhancements.