The Surprising TRUTH about Touring | Corey Congilio | Tim Pierce
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Corey Congilio stopped by and played some beautiful Guitar.
In our conversation, we pull the curtain wide open on what it’s like to go on the road as a sideman!
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21 year commercial airline pilot here. I identify with so much of what you guys are saying. People look at my job and think it's a nonstop vacation. Well, it is - at first. But after some time it morphs from being something like a nonstop vacation to a, I'm-not-at-home life. I still love what I do but it's only when I'm actually in the cockpit that I'm back to being the young me from 21 years ago. Everything else just wears on you. Hotels can be nice but it's not home. I have time to myself om a layover but it just isn't like having my own time in my own home. Kudos to you, Tim, for making the decision you did at such a young age.
I don't know - landing a 747 full of people, would scare me!!! Hats off to you!!
At 1st I thought I read , 21 year old commercial pilot....I was like, not me on that jet....
My old guitar teacher used to be a side-man, did a few world tours in his day. He once told me “the thing about getting your dream job is, eventually you find out it’s still a job”
As the bass player in my band said once as we were loading out after a gig...
"The music we play for free. It's the schlepping of gear and road life that we get paid for."
Man what's the big deal about carrying your shit in and out of the gig? Wimps 🙄
@@TheSeanpatrickobrien Not all of us play the flute like you .
@@TheSeanpatrickobrien Said every lead singer in the history of rock n roll
Load in was easy compared to load out at 3:00 am. Lol
A buddy of mine needed a bassist for his blues and country band. I didn't really want to play, but finally agreed with the following conditions: I get paid $100 minimum every gig (if I'm leaving my wife alone for the night, then I'm bringing back cash), I want as few rehearsals as possible (we had five hours of material, so you just had to learn your parts), and I don't carry any gear besides my own- specifically no PA gear (this was mostly due to a back injury I had sustained right before). I still usually stuck around and wrapped mic cables, but that's about it.
If you want to make money in music, you better be an amazing song writer. Great musicians are everywhere.
@Ariel Falk Nonsense. Doing the TH-cam and social media thing means you no longer have to sell your songs to others to earn a living these days. The only thing that's changed in the last 20 years is that you can't make money by selling albums anymore. All the other avenues are still available, and social media has presented many new ones.
@@ndtealmusic Yeah, but he said "music", so he's not talking about modern pop.
True words. Especially with youtube. 10 year olds now have more music education than I got in college. And they can play like crazy.
@@davecarsley8773 But sadly very few of these TH-camrs are writing good songs. Hell, NO ONE writes good songs anymore.
@@thebarf9235 Just wait
What Tim is describing about touring is true for anyone who has to travel for work. It feels like there is no end to your workday even when you are on the plane or back at the hotel because really you're just waiting to get back to your real life.
I've never been "big time" but my best road gig was playing a hotel bar for a couple of weeks. We could "sneak in" to the pool after hours. But we were right across the street from a hobby store, where I bought an EZ to build R/C airplane, built it in the hotel room the first week and got with the instructor of the local R/C flying club the next week and learned how "not to crash".
The reason that was the best gig is that I'm still flying model airplanes 25 years later.
Sounds like when skid row found model trains. It even helped them stop drinking during the day time.
@@joemama-zn6lu - Rod Stewart is HUGE on model trains. The attic of his LA home is one giant train diorama. Same with Neil Young and Jools Holland.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Randy Rhoads was into model trains, as well.
@@tomcoryell Here they were ! Close your eyes and they'll be supermen.
@@tomcoryell Saw Skid Row open for G'N'R at the Forum back in the early 90's. Great show from both bands.
You'll never get me off the road. Its home to me. Just got done doing a 2 week run in the Northeast literally tonight. Give me 2 days rest I'll be ready to go again.
Love the way you edited the video with the guitar playing interludes during the conversation. Really enjoyed the video... Cheers!
I wish we had the internet and iPads when I was first learning. I can't believe the wealth of information available through these devices. Thanks for being there now for all of us. 🤗
Thanks Tim and Corey for this beautiful interview ! Rock on !
I really enjoyed the conversation and the playing is just sublime, man.... thanks!
Amazing work as always, Tim! Really awesome collab, as well as truthful advice indeed!
Sick! Very cool info. I can totally relate. I was touring on cruise ships for a number of years. I loved playing and traveling, but after awhile I just wanted to be grounded. Now I release my own music, teach, and play in bands locally. I am much happier. Thanks for the awesome video. Cheers from Philly!
Cool video! Great conversation and the cuts between talk and playing is genius.
Two of the best right there! Guys and guitarists... such a privilage to get this close to a conversation between such great maestros.
Thank you for the insightful and informative video. Your stuff is always such a pleasure to watch, thanks for sharing your perspective as it is truly unique. You seem to be very humble and grounded, quite rare for someone as talented and experienced as yourself. Corey is incredible, seeing the 2 of you play together is immensely inspiring and amazing ear candy.
Two of my most favorite artists and top teachers together in one video ! Thanks for everything guys ! Greets from Belgium.
Tim, thank you for running this piece. In the 80's one of my best friends got what I thought was a dream opportunity to play lead on tour with Bobby Bare for two years. He came home never talked about it and spent the rest of his life doing luthiery and playing in bar bands. I never got it... now I do.
Amazing video guys, you both articulated so many truths about life on the road very well. Also the playing was insane, Corey you’re a MONSTER.
Rhett , Thanks! Your channel might be the ultimate window into the touring world...I almost grabbed an excerpt from one of your videos...
I stumbled on Rick Beato's site which led me to your site and your touring / earning video and then to Tim's and then to Corey's. I toured back in the late 70's, early 80's playing bass. Just picked up guitar a few years ago when I retired and you guys got me so frickin happy to be learning and sharing all this with my grandkids. Thank you for taking the time to put your channel up!
Rhett, thank you for using the correct version of "you're". This is why you're a successful man who is bound for greatness.
You're not kidding - Corey is such a great player with amazing feel (same applies to Tim, but we already knew that). I think there is a thing or two (or 30) that I could learn from just this little jam they had. Thank you guys for the great video!
Thanks for another great perspective from guys who have lived it. Playing live when the band is relaxed and grooving, and the audience is totally with you is intoxicating. That is why so many musicians continue to do it and tolerate all... the... waiting....... around......... Cheers!
A tip of the hat to the editor of this video, nice transitions between the talk and the playing. Really nicely done.
Ok, I can rest now. This was going to be my comment as well haha
I loved playing in a local band in the 90s, and seeing other friends' bands, it was a great scene. First "big" regional tour, within days I knew the road life wasn't for me. I totally get this video! Of course, Tim and Corey are both light years beyond me as a musician...
Fascinating story, I love your channel because session guitarist as a gig is such an interesting career path.
Great interview for sure. Thank you guys for being so candid and honest.
Tim you always look like you are having so much while you are playing and I always forget how much I enjoy your channel. Your skills are light years ahead of mine. Keep rocking Tim!
Hey Tim. You seem like such a nice guy--very down to earth and humble for such a talented musician.
Awesome to see you and Corey playing together! I have only discovered him relatively recently but he seems like such a nice guy. Great tip on the book, "Your Money Or Your Life"! I cannot recommend it highly enough for everyone to start appreciating what is truly important to them in life.
Awesome to hear that Corey's diet is plant based too! I've been vegan for over 4 years now and can honestly say it's the best thing I've ever done for my health and well being. Looking after ourselves is one of the best things we can do for a long and productive career and happy life with our loved ones too.
Great video Tim! I like the split screen view when chatting like this!
Amazing Tim, I've always felt that the life of a professional Guitarist is a very tough and hard life, and for what you do the pay usually doesn't reflect the hours of study and practicing, even for some of these hired guns out there. You are the professional, go anywhere and play anything, I just wanted to be as good as I could get, and some where along the line I got lost and didn't push myself, just kept playing SOS. I still have a lot of friends in the business and its really tough for them to make any money with this Covid thing going on, and as the years go by your phone stops ringing. I think you've done the right thing, with your TH-cam channel, and it must be very gratifying and up lifting to help so many young players. Always enjoy your videos, and learn so much, thank you.
While I enjoy almost all of your content, this was my favorite episode to date. Watching you two riff off of one another was fantastic! 👍🏻👍🏻
Truly valuable channel for musicians and anyone who takes an interest in live music.
Such a key factor in success is staying humble and always striving to be better. In spite of Corey’s very obvious success, you can see him really stepping back and actively listening to Tim about how to step off stage and into the studio. He’s not thinking about how he looks like the coolest guy in the room, instead choosing to soak up all the knowledge and wisdom he can, wherever he is, so that he can be his best self. That’s really inspiring to see.
Tim, I resonate with you on this big time. Thanks!
I love this channel, Tims a genuined guy talking about things that actually matter as aspiring professional musicians. 🙏
The pure joy in Tim's face, and his playing, keep me coming back for more and more!! Beautiful Man!
I was blessed enough in the '80s to make a good living playing music on the road, both in a band and as a hired gun. The most insightful thing said in this video - IMO - is that touring can be a rigorous physical challenge. I would NOT believe it had I not experienced it. I mean, play guitar at night, go to bed at 2am, wake up at 10am, have a pretty leisurely day by most standards - but get physically exhausted? Yep, absolutely. I can only think it has something to do with the nerves, adrenaline, and subtle crash that follows most shows. It will wear you down.
I think it's the inconsistent sleep schedule. the crazy hours and also not sleeping in your own bed, using your own bathroom. But most of all, eating like crap all the time because it's hard to eat healthy and cheap on the road. If you like to work out, that's a pain in the ass too. So then you feel crappy because you didn't exercise. Sitting in a vehicle for hours at a time. All those things take a major toll on the body. And since there were 8 of us, that really cuts into the income. Obviously I'm not talking about touring on the same level so far fewer comforts. After 5 years I was done. Mostly a great experience though. Incredible memories. : )
@@coppulor6500 Those are very good points. I agree with every one.
@@jakemitchell1671 at first I was just going to reply with the food and crazy sleep schedule issues but then as I started writing I started remembering all the other things that really affected my body and mind. Totally worth it..... For a while. But once you grow to a point and then can't get to the next level cuz you're too young and ignorant to understand how the industry REALLY works and dont have those connections, then the bad eventually starts outweighing the good. At least for me it did.
@@coppulor6500 Yeah, for sure. It was very simple for me: I hated being away from home, especially after I met the girl who became my wife. She traveled with until she started grad school, and then I became miserable. I don't sleep well anywhere but home where I can control the light and sounds (no light, lots of sounds like fans and AC window units), and suddenly I was on the road with a bunch of single guys picking up chicks and I had no interest anymore. And that whole band culture doesn't work when you're an odd man out, especially sharing motel rooms! About the time it got really crappy I got a great invite to do session work at a small but growing project studio where my finance had moved. It wasn't enough to support a family, but it allowed me to go back to school, and then I played locally in a successful "party" band. From that point the road had ZERO attraction for me, even as 2 of my buddies scored great gigs with performers you've probably heard of. But i was never jealous. And now I'm a 52 year old IT pro with 3 adult kids, and the road seems a million miles away. Like you say, just a million great memories!
@@jakemitchell1671 Dude, so damned funny. Same story here except without the session work. got to the point where living on the road was messing up my gut (a few other band mates too). That lifestyle is brutal if you're not a party animal. And when chicks come up to you and point blank as if you want to have sex - at first you're like "sweet!" and then you think about it for a minute and you're like "hmmm.....how many times has she done this and how many skanky musicians has she f**ked and do I really want an STD?" LOL. you think it's gonna be great but once that happens, the other part of your brain kicks in and .......not what it's cracked up to be. sure, it's nice that everyone wants to buy/give you stuff and wants your autograph and the adulation etc. but I would never trade my sugar lumps of delight and the kids for that life again. so very glad I was fortunate enough to experience it. Our sax player got a masters in music performance and teaches now (absolute badass latin jazz player), our drummer still tours with a national act, but everyone else eventually joined the "normal life". I'm 51 - code certified master inspector with a real estate license and I love my life (even if I want to strangle the kids every once in a while lol ). what's frustrating is that sweet cheeks can sing her ass off and my daughter is learning piano (on her own) and can also sing but nobody wants to do any a cappella stuff for fun or play together. sigh........ I WAS jealous of meh bands that got signed and made big bucks for a time and once I figured out talent and effort does not equal success in music (rarely anyway - all about connections) but I would probably have not met my biscuit and I'm happy as a clam now : )
This is a really great video. Thanks. Lots of insights and interesting observations. Your videos are consistently super high quality!
Really enjoyed this conversation, boys, thank you!
Because of you Tim and Pete Thorn and PhilX I have become a very confident player and I thank all of you for sharing tips experiences and your professionalism with all of us out here.
Thanks Tim, great insights. Always fun to hear the stories.⚓️
Thank you, Tim. That was a timely inspirational video. It was helpful. Thanks.
Altho a sideman in a country/rock group, I played Flamenco guitar, which can easily be done by yourself. I started using my free time on tour to embark on a rigorous practice routine and became a better guitarist. In the band, I WAS the weird one out but the reward was substantial and it all really paid off when I branched out on my own.
Tim I am getting addicted to your videos, hats off to you for both your insights and your playing!
OK Tim, here's one for you... Do you remember a little guitar shop in ABQ at Carlisle and Constitution, called the Music Factory? I was a partner in that short-lived venture with Steve Maase, Brian, Mikey Wright, etc. We built a guitar for you way back in the 80s, and man we thought you hung the moon (still do, actually) when you scored the Springfield gig. That was right about the time Randy Castillo was touring with Ozzy. TWO Albuquerque boys makin' it big! The only thing one needs to know about your choice is: Randy died from just what you were talking about. The road killed him, but you escaped, good on you bro. Lots of good folks are damaged by the music biz, but you took a sustainable path, carved your own niche in the digital and recording world, and are STILL AND FOREVER one of the baddest gunslingers around. Congrats on an amazing career so far, you are a legend, man. We don't get many of those in this little town in the desert! I am proud to have played a part, minuscule though it was. It was great to see a guitar I tightened a few screws on (I forget, maybe Steve let me dust it off? :)) being played on videos like Jesse's Girl. Anyway, sorry to ramble. Thanks for the memories and keep 'em coming!
Thanks for sharing that TB - Randy was a cool guy and quite the showman on the kit.
I’ve been touring for 30+ years ...
this week I decided to leave my gig guitar home and rely on the backline Strat and just a HX Stomp. It was just fine. Nice to lighten the load while traveling.
Tim - Exceptional, informative and really fun - as always!
I'm deeply thankful for this video, Tim!
I started thinking about me, if I'm kinda weird because I enjoy it not being in a band anymore.
Hey, great video and some excellent info here regarding being on the road! Thanks for this to both of you!
Really insightful, well produced video! Loved the contrast in perspective between studio session/at home life and touring life.
You guys are top shelf in all the ways. Keep up the great stuff!
That was an awesome session, very informative and interesting. I always wondered what it like on the road versus doing session . You and Corey really rock it. Loved the musical breaks Corey and you smoked it. Thanks to both of you for doing this.
Great video, fantastically practical.
Hi Tim. I'm an Avid "local rocker", music/movie/soundtrack buff/lover and concert goer. My real job is Anesthesia. Your videos on lessons and experiences are invaluable. I could go on...but will just say THANKS!
I can relate. I was on the road by 19, and I lasted about 4 months. Leaving the clubs on a gig night at 3am, getting back to a crappy motel, band entertaining locals for another 2 hours...yeah, not fun. My favorite time of day was the afternoons/early evenings before the gig - it feels like you're on vacation every day.
Tim, had no idea you worked on You'll Be In My Heart! I sang and played You'll Be In My Heart for a wedding a year back and doing it justice with all the instrumentation was an amazingly fun challenge! Excellent video. Thanks for teaching and doing what you do. I'll keep watching and try to keep up! 😜🤘
I enjoyed you covering your time on the Road. The road is a tough path. Settling down and getting serious about developing a long term career. That's even tougher. Outstanding picking!
Great info and interview. Really like Corey, too. Thanks, Tim.
So glad that Corey brought up spinning a lot of plates. As a multi instrumentalist I feel like I’m average on all the instruments I play. But being able to do that is why I always get called to do this or that gig. I did a five month tour and the only thing keeping me going was exploring new parts of the country I had never been to. I’m about to be 32 and now that I have kids my desire to play music “for a living” is dwindling fast. In southwest Florida the money just isn’t there to support a lifestyle above lower middle class. I’m ready to be a musician for myself and for fun and not as a “service” to all the old retired people that fill up this area. If there was a thriving scene in my age group I know I’d feel differently, but you can’t escape the fact that everything down here is catered to the retirees. Rant over :)
totally feel you man, even as a youngster I never dreamed of being an on the road rock n roll star, for me the dream has always been to be in a studio working on music.
Really enjoyed this video and chat, love the guitar bits in-between great editing
Thoroughly enjoyed listening to you guys. Thanks!
My road dog days are over wheelchair slows that Down studio in basement still writing every now and then i still get out love your content
Both have great tones, great licks. Nice interview. Enjoyed the vid.
Yes, it was very interesting.
Man , this hit the nail on the head for me. Playing live tours is great “when playing”....other than that it secludes you from family ,friends and personal growth
So does working a 9 to 5 day job where you have to commute and deal with life on life's terms. At least on tour you have a purpose which is playing your instrument every night for people who are receptive to it. Probably more receptive than a bar gig. How about the poor souls that have to work a day job, support their family and be there as a father and a husband as well as play gigs on the weekend. Just working a day job is enough to affect your personal growth. Try working in a factory with all different types of people from all different types of backgrounds who dont give a shit that you play an instrument. Talk about feeling secluded.
Well, I lived it for 10 years. Sounds like you haven’t. I appreciated your side though.
Thank you Tim. I've been a fan since seeing you playing guitar with Shandi back in the '70s!
That was great. I’m still glad I bailed on being in a band and lowest level touring and did the family thing instead. I would have missed so much and played the same parts every day.
This is one of the most informative and entertaining channels on TH-cam. Thanks for your hard work! It is very much appreciated. 👌
Masters of the trade... glad to know bout Corey, instanly subbed to his channel.
great playing, and great insight into the realities of touring...
Oh yeah Corey! "I had my main Two Rock"! I'm an Opal man myself. Thanks to both of you for this insightful discussion. Where was the internet back in 1981 when I was 21 and touring with soon to be Grammy award winning artist? I remember having the impudent midi cabling for my 2290 go south at the start of the set. I had no backup for the backup for the backup.
Thanks for another great vid Tim.
Exquisite as always. After following you for so long, it just clicked, you look like the happy version of Robin Williams.
How much fun to see Corey on Tim Pierce's channel. I have about five of his courses. They're all very nicely done and were fun to explore.
i know this is 3 years old...but it still is very current...and you two guys are both such nice guys......that can play and teach......great stuff.....cheers...
I'm digging some of the new camera angles, getting to see more behind the wizard's lair, and from a playing viewpoint it helped in seeing more of Corey's right hand technique.
Great playing and conversation.
Tim I am a new subscriber and what a total joy to listen to your stories! Keep up the great work! Greetings from Santa Clarita!
The original McCarty has such a lovely twang in this video! Great display of the differences between the original and the 594.
Both sound great.
Insightful admission about your feelings with touring. Great stuff here.
Some really generous insights from the voices of experience. I found that even on the domestic, local level doing tours can be incredibly taxing, and somehow there is never much money left once you pay off all the peripheral service people, the sound reinforcement, the road management team - but you look forward to the next time just the same.
What a great video... nice work Tim and Corey
My friend Andy tours with Heart and he loves it. Granted,he’s not twenty and just starting out. He’s pretty established in the music community and has work when he’s not with Heart.
Love your channel man - so informative- keep it up
Excellent video. Really cool having the dual opinions.
Was a touring bass player back in the day and after stumbling onto Rick's site, then Rhett and now to Corey's I'm having a blast getting serious with the guitar now, (something I always wanted to do). Thank you for what all you guys are doing for both us retired duffs and the noobs coming up.
Thank you so much for the nice comment
Speaking of keeping your chops up... About a year ago I was working with a band who opened for Diamond Rio. When we arrived that the Venue, Jimmy Olander still had had his guitar strapped on his body for their sound check and kept it on the whole day. He never stopped playing. He may have taken it off to use the restroom, but that's it. As you can imagine, his performance was AMAZING.
As always, an interesting video. My main experience on the road was during the late 80's and through the 90's. Mostly "lower end" tours in vans pulling a trailer full of gear and merch, taking turns sleeping in the beds of one of the 2 crappy motel rooms the 6 of us would share, with someone sleeping in the trailer on top of the amps to make sure no-one steals your stuff in the middle of Indiana (or wherever). Occasionally I got a tiny bunk in a smelly bus. I usually got better amenities when I went out as a hired gun (bigger per diems, an actual hotel/motel room, better food, etc). Finding a productive way to kill time was always a challenge. I usually would try to find small record shops to look for odd records, or thrift stores to find cool vintage (used) clothes. Depended on how much the per diem was. Eating was the worst, at least in the States. In Europe, especially at festivals, there was almost always a vegetarian option on the menu, but here it was "what can I grab at the gas station/rest stop", or what we could get on the rider. Still, I have a s-ton of great stories, had great/crazy experiences, and met some of the best people ever. Peace.
Tales with Tim...
I always find these extremely interesting and this was no exception!!!
I'm two years late, but I agree. ✔️✔️✔️
I really enjoyed this thanks. Was never able to make it to the touring life - or session life for that matter. Really cool hearing you talk about it. Thanks!
Great video Tim and just brilliant to see that brief pause of respect at 3:55 for the brilliance of Tommy Emmanuel :) keep 'em coming man.
What a great insight about being a professional musician. Thanks guys.
Touring is really just driving great distances to get a Wi-Fi password.
#church
Riffs, Beards & Gear 100%
Oh look at Mr. Fancy with his wifi. We didn't have smart phones when I started touring! [getting back on his porch]
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Nice playing, great conversation
Always great listening to Corey 👌🏻
Very cool to find out who's just out there doing it behind the stars!
Love the subject. Excellent video!
I love this video, it made my day! Thank you 😊
Love these vids Tim, thank you!
A-Freakin’-Men!!! Glad I left it all behind! Sure there were fun times and I got to see some great places in the world but At 52, I’m glad it’s over! All your stories ring true!!!
Such a great vid! Thanks guys
Very insightful video! Thank you!!
Great discussion. I think being on the road is what you make of it. There's a lot of down time but if you use it to work on new material it can be time well spent. But Tim's right that a working studio musician should think twice before agreeing to tour.
Chasing around a headliner on the road. There is NO GREAT PAY to be had! Van full of band mates.Hopefully one guy on the road with you helping out. Endless hours upon hours driving/riding each day. Stinking dirty laundry pulling up!! Pulling a trailer slap full of your gear & dirty laundry! Ha! Eating good. Haha! Simply Not possible! & a whole lot of "HURRY UP & WAIT!!! Mr Congilio & Mr Pierce are describing the the truth about touring being on the top of the touring food chain!! NOT the reality of the vast majority of touring guitar players!!! Still thank you Mr Pierce another awesome video! Love hearing you guys trading solos.
It really depends on the tour man. Most of the time though, this is true
It seems Corey acknowledges the poor pay when he talks about the "spinning plates" a current guitarist has to keep moving.
Me and my bass player used to joke about that on tour. That's what a being a touring musician is - HURRY HURRY HURRY! Okay now wait 8 hours. HURRY HURRY!!
It can't pay that much when there are all kinds of guys looking to take your place. G E Smith said the only good money earner for a guitar player is to have your name on songs.
So true. Toured with Corey Congilio. Great guy and great player. For me, its all about having a good routine on the road and that can be difficult when you're traveling.