Right. That’s the problem with the debates. Always tryna find a negative or credit reducer. Like how people try to discredit Jordan for first round exits and lebron having none like they give trophies for first round wins
mansonlamps obviously you cant read bro. I said “Without taking away credit from any of the players” you so bent on your “point”that you couldnt even read my entire comment.
When most of the sports analyst have disrespected Kobe, i love how NBA players put Kobe on the pedestal in the same or almost the same as level as Jordan.
And these guys deserve to be heard because they played against or along side kobe. It's just Funny to me that average people act like they know more than these athletes and analysts.
@@anthonyrodriguez625 But they never played against prime-MJ, so what?! MJ is the GOAT, and its not even close. But Kobe may be the 2nd best SG in the game.
Since he talked about Batman and Superman, I'd say Kobe was Vegeta to MJ's Goku. MJ had the natural talent and Kobe HAD to work reeeaaalllyyy hard to keep up with him. And he did.
hahaha Twisted? Nahh it's you. Just because his father was a king doesn't mean he had more natural talent than Goku. Goku became a saiyan first than Vegeta. Since then, he was trying to catch up to him and has been trying to do things he can do. MJ's more talented like Goku is stronger. Kobe is more skillful overall, but can't surpass MJ. Vegeta thinks more and has more knowledge of saiyans, but despite all that he can't surpass Goku. Speaking of father, Kobe's dad played professional. He had the advantage ofhhaving more knowledge about basketball than MJ.
But its not. Batman lost his parents Mj lost his father both giys or billion dollar men one guy built his own company from the ground up one guys black one guy put on black suit. And all the things I mentioned had nothing to do with Kobe Bryant. Do the math Mj is a better batman thin batman ever was.
@@Rubrick23. you took that way too much on the comic and personal point of view Take it back on the basketball skills set point of view That's the original purpose of this analogy or metaphor Kobe built his skills and trained himself into the black mamba Like Bruce taught himself to be and created batman Mj was born uniquely athletic and explosive which gave him huge advantage attacking the rim his main superpower or skill Clark was born uniquely super strong and invulnerable which made him the strongest being in dc or something like that Which allows him to be superman
@@robertpitts8161 No problem at all 😂😂😂 8:44 - 9:02 th-cam.com/video/IxYZAgKRtM8/w-d-xo.html There you go, new believer 😂 Edit: (Just to add to that list of people in that video 😂) 4:25 th-cam.com/video/jc49qu_p0Ec/w-d-xo.html
Its basic common knowledge kobe is the most skilled player of all time... anybody who argues is stupid.. but that doesnt make him greater than Jordan since Jordan's achievements are very difficult to surpass. But if kobe isn't 2nd greatest of all time... jordan shouldn't be #1. They dominated in the same mannerism.
Kobe could literally score the ball from anywhere on the court, and his ability to shoot the three, under pressure was incredible. MJ is the GOAT 🐐, but Kobe was so fun to watch, and he put in the work. The Black Mamba 🐍
This is literally what I've been saying all along!!! Kobe did more with less by ratio. People always forget, Kobe was a privileged kid! Yet Kobe still developed that killer mentality, that insane work ethic, and that never ending thirst for knowledge, all because of his love for the game. Kobe achieved his status not by being gifted, but through extreme hard work and dedication on his own will.
Shaq, Gasol, Bynum, Odom is "less"? Jordan had Pippen and he dominated the decade. Kobe Bryant was Shaq's sidekick. Kobe achieved the status of ball hog and brick shooter. Top 15 all time great though.
@@erik666111 are Rodman, Horace Grant, Steve Kerr, Ron Harper, BJ Armstrong, Toni Kukoc, Paxson, Luc Longley all just bums to you? They are all players that held their own. You know who are bums? Adam Morrison, DJ Mbenga, Devin Ebanks, JR Rider, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown. Sidekick? ALL 3 of their championship runs are played in the era of low post ball. Shaq had almost no one who can match up to him. It was simply the best idea to give Shaq the ball first, and dish it out if need be. Kobe had to play 2nd option and did a hell of a job. By their 3rd run, Kobe's and Shaq's playoff stats are identical. When Shaq was in foul trouble, Kobe single handily carried the team to victory. When Shaq was injured, Kobe went off and had streaks of 35 games with 30+ and 9 games with 40+. Phil Jackson had to tell Kobe to stop when Shaq came back so his ego doesn't get hurt. Sidekick? Right. Must be why the owner Jerry Buss picked Kobe and not Shaq. Because Kobe's just a sidekick. After Shaq left and Kobe had to do things himself for long while. He literally set the league on fire, averaging 40+ for weeks, with streaks of 50+ in between. EVERYONE knew the ball is going to Kobe, yet NOBODY could stop him or do anything about it. The Lakers didn't do well because the team as a whole wasn't good. Most teams during that time have duos, Lakers just had Kobe. Kobe the ball hog is only the ALL TIME ASSIST LEADER for a 2 guard. No big deal. Only 181 more than the next guy Clyde Drexler, and only just 673 more than the goat MJ. What a ball hog Kobe must have been. MJ is still the goat to me, he has the entire package. Kobe lacks the leadership MJ has, but I would argue Kobe was a more skilled player. They are 1A and 1B, and I love them both.
@@dmari-cash Rodman played in the Chicago only 3 seasons, he was 34,35 and 36 years. Prime Rodman played against Jordan. Paxon, Kerr, Grant ? ? Kobe: Shaq, Gasol, Lamar Odom, Artest, Caron Butler, Bynum, Robert Horry, Fisher, Rick Fox, Eddie Jones, Nick Van-Exel. Ariza.
Kobe was the most difficult shot maker ever. One-on-one two on one, three on one, four on one, five on one it didn't matter. That's why he's the goat to me
Kobe played in the deadball era, in the most stacked conference of all time, the 2000s west, with 3 different roasters, one as a partner in crime, another as a floor raiser and the last as the team leader, all this while always deadling with injuries, beating the most 50+ win teams in history... And managed to win 5 rings and went 7 times to the finals...all this with an average NBA body. that's my case for Kobe
Right it's hilarious, but i don't understand how he says he still pick Jordan 100 percent but wouldn't push the buttons i think he's contradicting hisself
Cornelius Davison What he’s saying is that being his Life would be on the line that he wouldn’t want to bet against a guy like Kobe and truthfully neither would I under those circumstances!😅
@@CAKD_ I think he means when you compare the two on stats, on paper, on career, you want to say Jordan 100% is better. And I agree, he is better when all things are considered. But when they match up for a single 1 on 1 game, you don't feel so sure anymore about Kobe losing that. So that's why the debate just can't end on one of the two being better. They're both the greatest in different ways.
@@RahulPresentsKobe ok what's on paper doesn't define whos better 🙄 when your talk about whos better your talking about 1 individual.. some things on paper wouldn't be their without a team
@@CAKD_ I know, and I agree, I don't care about what's on the paper. But that's the argument some people use (who achieved more on paper) for greatness
Remember, Kobe came in as an average player and couldn't shoot that well. Kobe worked his ass off relentlessly to get what he got.... not to say Jordan didn't! 💯
@@xaviervega468 check the stats if it will show you that kobe rode shaq's nut. even shaq admitted to not showing up fit because he knew kobe was there to keep the team afloat.
Xavier Vega fk yard he means he achieved more with less natural gift body like Vince carter lbj mj and all those guys, idk u Kobe haters got brain problems or ur iq just too god dam low u can’t understand ur own language?
@@theiggod6921 That's a little unfair to hold that against MJ because he went to college. Was he better as a freshman at UNC than rookie Kobe? Probably not. MJ worked his ass of too. He was also more coachable.
I'm not sure u know wut ur talking about. If u know anything about basketball, kobe has almost everyone beat, except jordan. Kobe still maintained his athleticism with the ball in his hands... ever watch lebron??? Lebron cant change direction...its a freight train or travel.
Vince? As in Vince Carter??? Okay ask yourself why you said that!!! Then go back and delete your comment...as a matter of fact, go throw away your phone!
May you rest in peace Black Mamba. Thank you for the memories over the years and the constant motivation for me to push myself beyond my mental/physical limitations. You will never be forgotten.
Jordan to me is the "GOAT" but i have a TON of respect to Kobe and i really really hate it when the media disrespects kobe. I agree with gilbert on this btw. Imagine if Kobe is as athletic as jordan with huge hands or he's 6'9 260 lbs like lebron.
But see that's da thing u have to understand why this debate is even in existence. Kobe wasn't supposed to be in that conversation but he made it into a reality through true sheer will and determination!
The one greatest breakdown of Kobe I've ever heard bro 💯 that's respect and that's Kobe in a nut shell and that's why he's my favorite and always will be my favorite player of all time
That's why Kobe is my guy and is irreplaceable: nowhere near the phisycal gifts of the all time greats: height, vertical, hand size, wingspan. But he still became the closest to Jordan when he had no business being a top 20 all time player, let alone becoming the second greatest ever.
The argument that Kobe was a average "Honda" type athlete is ridiculous. True that Jordan was stronger and could jump higher but Kobe had a quicker first step and was more agile.
Kobe won the 1997 dunk contest with a dunk between the legs. His athelticism was on point and his dunks were much better than Jordan's ones. Jordan never made a dunk with the ball between the legs.
Everyone who thinks Lebron is the best forget that he’s just physically and athletically more gifted than Kobe and Jordan. Take that away and Lebron wouldn’t even be in the conversation.
Lets be honest lebron always will always find a good team to keep up with him, he will always need atleast 1 good player to get W. Kobe will not pass you the ball if he thinks he can do it better than anyone, thats a straight mindset of a winner. Kobe with shaq 3 rings, lebron with ray allen and kyrie 3s 1 ring.
Lordruiz 24 when Kobe was by himself they was one and done in the playoffs and he quit in the second half against Phoenix because he couldn’t carry that team or any team.
@money Mark lmao. jordan was cut from the varsity team his sophomore year because of attitude problems. So he played on JV that year and averaged 40 points a game
Missed most of the 86 season with a foot injury, MJ came back and put over 60 on the Celtics, which Bird said was his best team. The next season he had the best scoring year of his career. MJ had lift on his jumpshot that nobody has come close to since. When he lost that lift, he was still dominant in years 97/98. I'll take the Bugatti.
He's comparing him to the Jordans and Lebrons of the world though. Compared to them he was. He did more with less. Imagine Kobe at 6'8 250. He can actually post and finish with the best of them. Or Imagine him with Jordan's athleticism. Thats the point. Its all relative
@Leland Joseph He doesn't have to take those shots if he's that athletic. That's the point he's making. If he could just bully guys to the rack or simply jump over them it would be a different story. And for a guy you say had bad shot selection, He's still a career 45% from the field, over a 20 year career, with 4 of those seasons being lost. 3 to old age and injury and one to a coach who didn't want to play a rookie. His shooting was never as bad as people would like you to think, it's just an underhanded attempt to discredit Kobe.
@@Rich_iam But he couldn't so what the point what if and what if let talk about what we know that Kobe did what he could n´but he is not that close to Mj he is top 10 if he is luckily i have him in my top 10 as number 10 but that as high as i can go
NOLA JETS True they sleep on his athleticism. Kobe was a Ferrari not no Fuckin honda. He just had the best turbos and exhaust whatever’s upgraded lmao. I always laugh at the non athletic kobe argument. Kid yammed on more dudes than Vince! Gil was just talking about himself. He didn’t even dunk at Arizona regularly
Kobe had more range than Jordan as well, I grew up watching kobe (born 90) caught the last 2 years of Jordan 97' 98' with my grandfather and remembered him explaining to me Jordan's moves and focus. After watching kobe for the rest of his career I came to an conclusion that its MORE than a game. Kobe came back from Colorado and defeated the odds winning 2 more championships for 5, 9x all first defensive player and NEVER cheated the game. Kobe is my goat
That's what they mean when they're saying he did more with less. He took better than average athleticism, compared to other nba player's and is considered one of the best to ever do it. That's saying a lot.
Kobe was the most skilled player all time. Foot work, shoulder movement hip movement he knew how to use his shoulders and hips, he could use both hands shooting, his fakes head movement, he had the most skilled mental game, there was nothing he couldn't do on the court he could do it all.
But Kobe is more skilled than Jordan was, kobe might copy MJ, but Kobe can pull out the Olajawon, the dirks fade away, kobe has better handles, better foot work, I guess it's a matter of who's getting the ball first
Man I absolutely loved this video. I used to hate Jordan after we lost to him in the ‘91 finals but always respected him. Scottie helped him out by locking down Magic though. But when Kobe came I was like 🤔 ‘’ this dude got it in him”. And then he conquered. In his own way. Should have had 7 chips. He was that dude. We got LeBron now, but I would trade him in a heartbeat for a healthy Mamba. Today!
What a sad TH-cam account you have there. It's the equivalent of a 2009 bathroom selfie [the kind that shows eyelids, because the dude is looking at himself on the phone's screen], only It's 2020. I don't have to describe it to you though. Just look at your own Facebook.
@@romeojoseph6509 Kobe's athleticism didn't last long. It declined alot after 2008. You can literally see his vertical getting lower and he wasn't as fast anymore. Still skilled as hell though
@@Infinite_information615 I understand it but its not a strong case to call Kobe the goat. Many players aren't as naturally gifted like Jordan was..He mentioned the difficult shots kobe made he also missed a lot of ill advised shots. This isn't a strong argument. I'd rather him mention Kobe playing through injuries then being 6'6 with a 38' vert lbs
That’s a great point about maximizing your athleticism. I always wondered why Kobe with a 38 vert has some of the greatest dunks in NBA history and Dangelo russel with the same vertical can barely get his wrist over the rim on a running start
If he doesn't think MJ was a competitive "psycho" then he doesn't know him enough. You don't win 10 scoring titles & 6 Rings in 2 - 3 peat spurts being normal. This is Indisputable. MJ is the most competitive basketball player ever. He had to Win BY ANY MEANS necessary
Of course he's one of the most competitive. Everyone knows this about MJ. What Gilbert is saying is that his athleticism and physical gifts also was a huge bonus that helped a lot, whereas Kobe Bryant wasn't fortunate enough to have that, so everything he worked for he had to work much harder which is why it's so impressive
0351 USMC That’s actually a weak argument and shows you either didn’t watch basketball during Jordan’s era or you are just parroting what the mainstream media says. You can actually argue for both players, meaning, Jordan’s competition was stronger and grittier. Kobe’s competition was much more skilled. Personally I think the 80s/90s was the second toughest era after 70s/80s, the 00s and beyond can’t compare to those eras grit-wise and in essence not as tough. So the argument can be made that Jordan actually had it tougher than Kobe as a scorer, not as tough as a defender. Kobe had it tougher as a defender than Jordan, but not as a tough as a scorer. You also have to factor in rules and rule changes that Kobe benefited from and that Jordan wasn’t able to.
Kobe's peak athleticism was the 2003 season.....people forget he had 3 knee surgeries afterward.......just imagine 02-03 Kobe for 10yrs ? Athleticism Kobe vs Jordan Jordan - 10 Kobe - 8.5 (2003) Lebron -10 PEDs......ALLEGEDLY
Even after those surgeries, he was still athletic af. I think those didn't affect him too much. He was a bunny, dunking on people right up until like '08 or '09 at the very least.
@@johnhenrybautista9791 I think it did impact him he was a step slower and less explosive overall....sure he had moments but 2003 was the peak was never the same after
Yeah 2003 he was at his peak, i wish he would have stayed as healthy as lebron has and i wish they would have gotten pau in 2005-06 because Kobe might have gotten 8 championships. Imagine if they never rescinded the cp3 trade.
@@lioninthesun well Lebron based on my research uses PED's so...yea.....the only questionable thing for Kobe was the Germany blood booster surgery in 2013....
@@JIX9ISLER1986 well I know for a fact Kobe could have eaten much better. I believe in an organic whole foods plant based alkaline diet which strengthens tendons and bones and everything so he could have avoided a lot of injuries.
The car analogy is good, but Kobe wouldn’t be a Honda in that comparison. He would be more like a BMW or Maserati. Let’s not act like Kobe has no athleticism. He played multiple sports and was a really good athlete. Yes, Jordan’s athleticism was unparalleled, but Kobe was naturally talented as well.
Adonas Buhr i think Kobe would definitely say his build isn’t average but when you compare it to nba players in his position it clearly is. Not talking about skills , mentality or IQ. I’m talking about his body build
@@E46325mod Nawww that's all HYPE just like him playing this year MJ had a 48inch vertical as a rookie in Chicago! I seen Zion Williamson vertical jump when he did it they gave him a step and still 46 or 47 inches I forgot after Michigan State beat my Duke squad with them grown ass men Lol
Adonas Buhr Kobe shoots better and have better handle than Jordan Jordan gets to the hole easier and is a lil more athletic than Kobe but it’s close...Kobe takes more difficult shots...he won two championships without a star
I am glad too because most of the players who are now declaring Kobe as a goat, didn't even have him top 15 before he died. Then suddenly after his untimely and sad loss they elevated him to #1 or 2. Shaq should be ashamed to be in that group considering their feud.
I never realized this.. but it's a perfect analogy. The level of determination you need to have to achieve greatness while not having the outstanding physical gifts... it's incredible
Thankyou!! I love content like these... To me being a GOAT is subjective to whomsoever that said it. That said, I really admire Kobe for his grit, his passion, and his love for the game... You can gouge his eyes, & break his legs, but you can't take him off the fvckin' court!! That's what I love from Kobe... Thanks Kobe for inspiring me
Great points and I've never heard an argument for Kobe expressed in this way. True, he did a lot more with a lot less, and put himself in the conversation as one of the GOATS. But both had an insane work ethic, and yes, Jordan's God-given athleticism allowed him to do and be things that Kobe could never catch or achieve even with the mamba mentality. MJ is literally a once-in-a-thousand years virtuoso while Kobe was a generational talent. Kobe shows that through sheer will power, you can be more than the sum of your parts, at the highest level of competition. However, MJ natural gifts made him essentially superhuman.
@@quirinogarza7381 Kobe played the worst team in the league and had the ball every minute of the game. Jordan played a playoff team and still played like normal without ball hogging.
this video made me tear up. I always thought this same thing and it made me emotional someone else sees it too. Maybe it's because I had a disability and still competed in sports against people without that. But I don't know how other people don't understand this. Kobe really is the Batman of all the greats. He literally had nothing athletically that made him exceptional. He was average at it all but he used it all like a scientist. Whereas Jordan is Superman. Jordan is great and all but he is so gifted it always almost felt like cheating. I just hated rooting for a guy like that. But you knew Kobe was just a really smart guy in a suit, willing to die to win and that to me is greater than some invincible god who damn near could fly. To me Kobe is like if Batman somehow came after Superman and put on the Super man costume and somehow was able to figure out how to be Superman ANYWAY without the actual super powers. I think that's why so many of us love Kobe so much in such a personal way because he's OUR Jordan.
Kobe never loss a 1v1 Gilbert i would never bet against him for my life unless i was gonna commit suicide anyway but didnt wanna pull the trigger myself
Kobe is more skilled but MJ had better attributes. Gilbert explains it clearly his podcast. Kobe maximized potential but he had to cause he didn’t have Michael Jordan’s attributes.
Phil Jackson kept MJ only to 30 points a game. That’s means MJ could have scored more. Plus MJ played in tougher league where they use beat him up constantly.
@@trentonpearson7353 it's still impressive to see an ok basketball player turn into an iconic scorer because most of your better athletes want to learn from Kobe over LeBron. MJ said he's not touching a basketball again because of his competitive nature so I would rather learn from Kobe because MJ is only going teach someone through his fundamental DVD.
Yea it was mad disrespectful to compare Kobe to a Honda lol. Kobe didn't have Jordan's huge hands and ridiculous vert, but he was still 6'6 with a big wingspan and very explosive.
This is the greatest, GREATEST explanation-/ debate I’ve ever heard. Better than ANY sports analyst has ever even thought about speaking. This is incredible. Absolutely incredible and I’m so happy as a die hard kobe fan to hear someone appreciate just how TRULY great he was. Fundamentally, shooting. Ball handling. Footwork defense. Everything. The mentality is a given we all know the guy would die out there. Anyone who ruptured their Achilles’ tendon and shoots two free throws while walking the length of the court twice and walking to the locker room would die on the court. Bro salute to you Gilbert. True goat for this one dude.
That's why he said Kobe used what he have more than anybody else on the league. He maybe referring to himself too. I'm still wondering of Kobe's posterizers on how the hell did he make those dunks without getting blocked.
I kinda get where he’s coming from but it seems like he’s saying Kobe is as athletic as Jerry Stackhouse which isn’t true at all. Kobe was more athletic than TMac G Hill Steve Smith Reggie Miller... list goes on and on. Maybe not as Athletic as MJ or VC but he’s not an on the bottom of that list.
Wut.. you couldn't gauge how much more athletic Jordan was with his 48" vert to Kobe's 36" which all (even casual bball fans) know? Young Kobe was a less athletic DeRozan while Jordan was 6'6 with D Wade's strength and Nate Robinson's leaping ability..
Gilbert Lost Me, Then He Kind Of Had Me......And Then He Completely Lost Me Again. I Think Gilbert Is Completely Understating Kobe's Physical Gift: 1. He Was Supremely Athletic, His Athleticism Just Showed A Little Different. He Wasn’t As Athletic Or Strong As Michael, But He Wasn’t That Far Behind Either To The Point That You Call Mike The Warriors and Kobe The Knicks…That’s Just Crazy 2. When You Add Kobe’s Skills With His Athletic Ability Then One Could Argue That He Very Much Should Have Been Battling Mike For Top Dawg, Mike Would Probably Win 70% Of The Time But That Doesn’t Take Away From Who Kobe Is When Talking All Time Status 3. If You Were To Take Prime Kobe And Put Him Against The Wings And Perimeter Players That Played In The 80s and 90s, He’d Look Even More Athletic Than He Did In His Own Era 4. Gilbert Talking About Kobe Like He Had Paul Pierce Type Athletic Ability…Slow Down Gilbert I Could Go On, But I'll Stop There
I disagree. He's not understating Kobe's Physical Gifts. Compared to guards of his position in the 80s, Kobe was def not as gifted- Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond, World B. Free, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Eddie jones. He's saying Kobe could use his athleticism better than they could. Have you seen the dunk contest he won in 97/98 when he put it between his legs? the ball was like 5 inches above the rim when he dunked it. He knew how to use his athleticism and had longer arms that most so he could reach the rim quicker. Humans don't just evolve within decades and are "more athletic" that narrative needs to stop. Like, apparently wilt chamberlain was the most athletic person to ever exist and he was not from this era, obviously
Probably the best explanation ive ever heard without taking away credit from any of those players
I AGREE
Right. That’s the problem with the debates. Always tryna find a negative or credit reducer.
Like how people try to discredit Jordan for first round exits and lebron having none like they give trophies for first round wins
So Kobe better because he’s not as good? Mmmm... what brilliance
mansonlamps obviously you cant read bro. I said “Without taking away credit from any of the players” you so bent on your “point”that you couldnt even read my entire comment.
Joe Taylor I can’t read? I read the comment stupid....I just completely disagree with your opinion
When most of the sports analyst have disrespected Kobe, i love how NBA players put Kobe on the pedestal in the same or almost the same as level as Jordan.
#RIPKOBE
And these guys deserve to be heard because they played against or along side kobe. It's just Funny to me that average people act like they know more than these athletes and analysts.
MJ Goat. Kobe is not top 5
@@allanhouston6759 your crazy but then again you was on the knicks 😂
@@anthonyrodriguez625 But they never played against prime-MJ, so what?! MJ is the GOAT, and its not even close. But Kobe may be the 2nd best SG in the game.
Finally! A pure technical analysis of Kobe's true skill and greatness from a highly intelligent player speaking the truth.
Gilbert Arenas scored 60 points against Prime Kobe.
@@allanhouston6759 Jordan never scored 100 three points in a regular season. Kobe did it more than 10 times.
Fr about time someone with the knowledge putting respec on kobes name. Ppl quickly forgot his fucking greatness
This is the opposite of a technical analysis
@@allanhouston6759 prime Kobe was 2003.
Since he talked about Batman and Superman, I'd say Kobe was Vegeta to MJ's Goku. MJ had the natural talent and Kobe HAD to work reeeaaalllyyy hard to keep up with him. And he did.
I like that analogy
Actually vegeta had the natural talent his father was a king and he was born with a power level higher than grown men y'all get it twisted fo sho
hahaha Twisted? Nahh it's you. Just because his father was a king doesn't mean he had more natural talent than Goku. Goku became a saiyan first than Vegeta. Since then, he was trying to catch up to him and has been trying to do things he can do. MJ's more talented like Goku is stronger. Kobe is more skillful overall, but can't surpass MJ. Vegeta thinks more and has more knowledge of saiyans, but despite all that he can't surpass Goku. Speaking of father, Kobe's dad played professional. He had the advantage ofhhaving more knowledge about basketball than MJ.
Great example... that would make lebron yamcha.. fang over fang spam= pick n roll bully ball straight to the rim spam
I hate how they do vegeta. Every new strong opponent, vegeta isnt able to touch. But somehow kakorot always finds a way to win. Fuckin glory hog.
Kobe is the same man that ruptured his Achilles and still cashed out his free throws
Kyle Brown he tie his Achilles not his arms, cmon now, klay thompson did the same thing when he tore his acl
@@lilrock447 wtf are you talking about, you have cats these days getting cramps and spraining their ankle and needing to be carried off the court.
while lebron spending millions on his longevity could not shoot 2 for 2s regularly let alone crack 78 percent
Caption This yeah
@Caption This jesus christ... that difference in verticals
That batman analogy is just spot on 😂
Shaq is superman
Wow the dark mamba
@@tpsam shaq is doomsday literally force of nature
But its not. Batman lost his parents Mj lost his father both giys or billion dollar men one guy built his own company from the ground up one guys black one guy put on black suit. And all the things I mentioned had nothing to do with Kobe Bryant. Do the math Mj is a better batman thin batman ever was.
@@Rubrick23. bruh they mean in god given talent & physical ability, not the life story.. duh
@@Rubrick23. you took that way too much on the comic and personal point of view
Take it back on the basketball skills set point of view
That's the original purpose of this analogy or metaphor
Kobe built his skills and trained himself into the black mamba
Like Bruce taught himself to be and created batman
Mj was born uniquely athletic and explosive which gave him huge advantage attacking the rim his main superpower or skill
Clark was born uniquely super strong and invulnerable which made him the strongest being in dc or something like that
Which allows him to be superman
Phil Jackson even said Kobe was more skilled than Jordan. He would know. He's the one who got 6 rings from MJ and 5 from Kobe.
Show me when Phil ever said that.
@@robertpitts8161 No problem at all 😂😂😂
8:44 - 9:02
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There you go, new believer 😂
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Its basic common knowledge kobe is the most skilled player of all time... anybody who argues is stupid.. but that doesnt make him greater than Jordan since Jordan's achievements are very difficult to surpass.
But if kobe isn't 2nd greatest of all time... jordan shouldn't be #1. They dominated in the same mannerism.
H mm Lol, laying it down with facts. Get him brother. 😂
Idk about that, but by seeing them play, Jordan was the most gifted.
Kobe could literally score the ball from anywhere on the court, and his ability to shoot the three, under pressure was incredible. MJ is the GOAT 🐐, but Kobe was so fun to watch, and he put in the work. The Black Mamba 🐍
PROVEN KNOWLEDGE facts
PROVEN KNOWLEDGE no one more fun to watch then MJ unless u only saw MJ on TH-cam
Kobe is a god
shot jackers love watching shots
Jermaine Gray no, he’s your god.
Gilbert Arenas sounds like an athletic Neill Degrasse
you deserve more
Lol
Don't insult Arenas like that.
Yea but he's more Neil smoke DeGrasse Tyson
Neil de Grasse is a paid sellout. Souless because of choosing a narrative. So from a certain point of view you are correct just wrong person
Very entertaining show I like the argument for kobe he really fought for his goat status
NBA fitness Entertainment vlog Kobe has no business NOT being on the basketball amount Rushmore.
Kobes not the 🐐 lol top 10 tho nothing wrong with that
This is literally what I've been saying all along!!! Kobe did more with less by ratio. People always forget, Kobe was a privileged kid! Yet Kobe still developed that killer mentality, that insane work ethic, and that never ending thirst for knowledge, all because of his love for the game. Kobe achieved his status not by being gifted, but through extreme hard work and dedication on his own will.
Shaq, Gasol, Bynum, Odom is "less"? Jordan had Pippen and he dominated the decade. Kobe Bryant was Shaq's sidekick. Kobe achieved the status of ball hog and brick shooter. Top 15 all time great though.
So then that makes mugsy the goat because he did more with less than Kobe... fucking dummies
makaveli g Jordan had Rodman Paxson BJ Kerr Kukoc Horace 🤷🏾♂️
@@erik666111 are Rodman, Horace Grant, Steve Kerr, Ron Harper, BJ Armstrong, Toni Kukoc, Paxson, Luc Longley all just bums to you? They are all players that held their own. You know who are bums? Adam Morrison, DJ Mbenga, Devin Ebanks, JR Rider, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown.
Sidekick? ALL 3 of their championship runs are played in the era of low post ball. Shaq had almost no one who can match up to him. It was simply the best idea to give Shaq the ball first, and dish it out if need be. Kobe had to play 2nd option and did a hell of a job. By their 3rd run, Kobe's and Shaq's playoff stats are identical. When Shaq was in foul trouble, Kobe single handily carried the team to victory. When Shaq was injured, Kobe went off and had streaks of 35 games with 30+ and 9 games with 40+. Phil Jackson had to tell Kobe to stop when Shaq came back so his ego doesn't get hurt. Sidekick? Right. Must be why the owner Jerry Buss picked Kobe and not Shaq. Because Kobe's just a sidekick. After Shaq left and Kobe had to do things himself for long while. He literally set the league on fire, averaging 40+ for weeks, with streaks of 50+ in between. EVERYONE knew the ball is going to Kobe, yet NOBODY could stop him or do anything about it. The Lakers didn't do well because the team as a whole wasn't good. Most teams during that time have duos, Lakers just had Kobe.
Kobe the ball hog is only the ALL TIME ASSIST LEADER for a 2 guard. No big deal. Only 181 more than the next guy Clyde Drexler, and only just 673 more than the goat MJ. What a ball hog Kobe must have been.
MJ is still the goat to me, he has the entire package. Kobe lacks the leadership MJ has, but I would argue Kobe was a more skilled player. They are 1A and 1B, and I love them both.
@@dmari-cash
Rodman played in the Chicago only 3 seasons, he was 34,35 and 36 years.
Prime Rodman played against Jordan.
Paxon, Kerr, Grant ? ?
Kobe: Shaq, Gasol, Lamar Odom, Artest, Caron Butler, Bynum, Robert Horry, Fisher, Rick Fox,
Eddie Jones, Nick Van-Exel. Ariza.
Kobe was the most difficult shot maker ever. One-on-one two on one, three on one, four on one, five on one it didn't matter. That's why he's the goat to me
Yeah that's why he consistently shot at 42,43, 44, 45, 46% from the field from takin all those awful shots
Thats what happen when u don't pass...
@@traslenpatterson3478 Exactly right. His shot selection was terrible at times.
thats why hes the goat? because hes the best at making the toughest shots?
thats all it it takes?
No but mj wasn't as skilled as Kobe when it came to the footwork or the pump fakes
Kobe played in the deadball era, in the most stacked conference of all time, the 2000s west, with 3 different roasters, one as a partner in crime, another as a floor raiser and the last as the team leader, all this while always deadling with injuries, beating the most 50+ win teams in history... And managed to win 5 rings and went 7 times to the finals...all this with an average NBA body. that's my case for Kobe
...”I don’t know if I could put my life against a guy who has nothing to lose”...Best line of the interview.
Right it's hilarious, but i don't understand how he says he still pick Jordan 100 percent but wouldn't push the buttons i think he's contradicting hisself
Cornelius Davison What he’s saying is that being his Life would be on the line that he wouldn’t want to bet against a guy like Kobe and truthfully neither would I under those circumstances!😅
@@CAKD_ I think he means when you compare the two on stats, on paper, on career, you want to say Jordan 100% is better. And I agree, he is better when all things are considered. But when they match up for a single 1 on 1 game, you don't feel so sure anymore about Kobe losing that. So that's why the debate just can't end on one of the two being better. They're both the greatest in different ways.
@@RahulPresentsKobe ok what's on paper doesn't define whos better 🙄 when your talk about whos better your talking about 1 individual.. some things on paper wouldn't be their without a team
@@CAKD_ I know, and I agree, I don't care about what's on the paper. But that's the argument some people use (who achieved more on paper) for greatness
The fact that Kobe did more with less...facts
Kobe did not do more with less. When?
Remember, Kobe came in as an average player and couldn't shoot that well. Kobe worked his ass off relentlessly to get what he got.... not to say Jordan didn't! 💯
@@xaviervega468 check the stats if it will show you that kobe rode shaq's nut. even shaq admitted to not showing up fit because he knew kobe was there to keep the team afloat.
Xavier Vega fk yard he means he achieved more with less natural gift body like Vince carter lbj mj and all those guys, idk u Kobe haters got brain problems or ur iq just too god dam low u can’t understand ur own language?
@@theiggod6921 That's a little unfair to hold that against MJ because he went to college. Was he better as a freshman at UNC than rookie Kobe? Probably not. MJ worked his ass of too. He was also more coachable.
Kobe isn’t an average athlete at all but compared to the super human athletes like Vince, Dominique, Lebron, Jordan, Wilt etc he’s average
I'm not sure u know wut ur talking about. If u know anything about basketball, kobe has almost everyone beat, except jordan. Kobe still maintained his athleticism with the ball in his hands... ever watch lebron??? Lebron cant change direction...its a freight train or travel.
@@vangxiong9643 Kobe isn't near the athlete Lebron, Vince, Wilt, or Nique were.
Vince? As in Vince Carter??? Okay ask yourself why you said that!!! Then go back and delete your comment...as a matter of fact, go throw away your phone!
Those are some good ass drugs you're smoking!
Prime Kobe was more athletic than Lebron and as athletic as VC or Jordan.
May you rest in peace Black Mamba. Thank you for the memories over the years and the constant motivation for me to push myself beyond my mental/physical limitations. You will never be forgotten.
Wow. Only real ones would be here rn. Thank you.
Idk kobe had some crazy dunks when he was young.. He had phenomenal body control
Slim Chain exactly
@@marquesterry3585 king of the reverse dunk and it's not even close. Kobe had crazy hops and smashed on everyone in the league except shaq I believe
Remember the dunk he had on Dirk when Kobe was frobe
Yes thank you he was unstoppable and killing all NBA players in his time
@@jonjon5665 His hops didn' last long. By 2008 his vertical started to decline. As well as his speed. Still skilled as hell though
Jordan to me is the "GOAT" but i have a TON of respect to Kobe and i really really hate it when the media disrespects kobe. I agree with gilbert on this btw. Imagine if Kobe is as athletic as jordan with huge hands or he's 6'9 260 lbs like lebron.
But see that's da thing u have to understand why this debate is even in existence. Kobe wasn't supposed to be in that conversation but he made it into a reality through true sheer will and determination!
That’s 💯% Real Talk! #DetailedComparisons
Then he would be Top 10 in scoring and assists all time and top 20 rebounder like Lebron.. 😭😭😭
LeBron James is the best ever king and GOAT cuz
The one greatest breakdown of Kobe I've ever heard bro 💯 that's respect and that's Kobe in a nut shell and that's why he's my favorite and always will be my favorite player of all time
That's why Kobe is my guy and is irreplaceable: nowhere near the phisycal gifts of the all time greats: height, vertical, hand size, wingspan. But he still became the closest to Jordan when he had no business being a top 20 all time player, let alone becoming the second greatest ever.
The argument that Kobe was a average "Honda" type athlete is ridiculous. True that Jordan was stronger and could jump higher but Kobe had a quicker first step and was more agile.
Kobe won the 1997 dunk contest with a dunk between the legs. His athelticism was on point and his dunks were much better than Jordan's ones. Jordan never made a dunk with the ball between the legs.
He did have the physical gifts
man kobe was a good athlete. yall trippin
go watch kobe in early 2000s
@@jameswalker6864 seriously? Jordan was doing 360 dunks in the 80's. There's a video of him dunking from the freethrow line in Jeans.
Everyone who thinks Lebron is the best forget that he’s just physically and athletically more gifted than Kobe and Jordan. Take that away and Lebron wouldn’t even be in the conversation.
Very true. Lebron stans in 3..2..1 😂
Lets be honest lebron always will always find a good team to keep up with him, he will always need atleast 1 good player to get W. Kobe will not pass you the ball if he thinks he can do it better than anyone, thats a straight mindset of a winner. Kobe with shaq 3 rings, lebron with ray allen and kyrie 3s 1 ring.
Take away Jordan and Kobe’s height and I would be better then them. What kind of argument is that. I know that the sticky-icky is great, but damn !
Lordruiz 24 when Kobe was by himself they was one and done in the playoffs and he quit in the second half against Phoenix because he couldn’t carry that team or any team.
Not to mention he be chasing rings all day
Ya’ll think Jordan was born with perfect without working harder than everyone else are trippin.
Todd Michaelsen it’s stated kobe worked harder than Jordan Gilbert makes a lot of sense
Nobody said that
@money Mark lmao. jordan was cut from the varsity team his sophomore year because of attitude problems. So he played on JV that year and averaged 40 points a game
@money Mark it is indeed a fact
Todd Michaelsen he in the nba he has to work
Missed most of the 86 season with a foot injury, MJ came back and put over 60 on the Celtics, which Bird said was his best team. The next season he had the best scoring year of his career. MJ had lift on his jumpshot that nobody has come close to since. When he lost that lift, he was still dominant in years 97/98. I'll take the Bugatti.
Gil talking like Kobe was Bruce Bowen in terms of athleticism stop it! 🤦🏽♂️
He wasn't Vince Carter tho
He's comparing him to the Jordans and Lebrons of the world though. Compared to them he was. He did more with less. Imagine Kobe at 6'8 250. He can actually post and finish with the best of them. Or Imagine him with Jordan's athleticism. Thats the point. Its all relative
@Leland Joseph He doesn't have to take those shots if he's that athletic. That's the point he's making. If he could just bully guys to the rack or simply jump over them it would be a different story.
And for a guy you say had bad shot selection, He's still a career 45% from the field, over a 20 year career, with 4 of those seasons being lost. 3 to old age and injury and one to a coach who didn't want to play a rookie.
His shooting was never as bad as people would like you to think, it's just an underhanded attempt to discredit Kobe.
@@Rich_iam But he couldn't so what the point what if and what if let talk about what we know that Kobe did what he could n´but he is not that close to Mj he is top 10 if he is luckily i have him in my top 10 as number 10 but that as high as i can go
NOLA JETS True they sleep on his athleticism. Kobe was a Ferrari not no Fuckin honda. He just had the best turbos and exhaust whatever’s upgraded lmao. I always laugh at the non athletic kobe argument. Kid yammed on more dudes than Vince! Gil was just talking about himself. He didn’t even dunk at Arizona regularly
Kobe had more range than Jordan as well, I grew up watching kobe (born 90) caught the last 2 years of Jordan 97' 98' with my grandfather and remembered him explaining to me Jordan's moves and focus. After watching kobe for the rest of his career I came to an conclusion that its MORE than a game. Kobe came back from Colorado and defeated the odds winning 2 more championships for 5, 9x all first defensive player and NEVER cheated the game. Kobe is my goat
taylor mccoy 2002 vs Kings they literally cheated
Lololol. 45% fg vs 50%. Range of what? Mj is 10 scoring champ. Range means what? Lolol
@FOM FamilyOverMoney mj don't need d 3 point shot lmao ok dude ONLY WEN NEEDED .GET IT ??ASK UTAH JAZZ 😅😅MJ FOREVER
Range? Kyle korver has more range than Kobe .. that means he’s better? Dummy
FOM FamilyOverMoney they shot the same percentage n Jordan scored more n exposed? Damn your dumb
Get outta here lmao! Kobe was extremely athletic.
Yea it's just dumb to compare Kobe's physical gifts to a Honda smh
Yes extremely athletic they couldn't guard him at all
@@nostalgicbliss5547 Kobe is more like a Corvette or a Mustang, while Lebron and Jordan are like Bugatti's or Lambroghini's
That's what they mean when they're saying he did more with less. He took better than average athleticism, compared to other nba player's and is considered one of the best to ever do it. That's saying a lot.
He's not saying that Kobe wasn't Athletic... He's saying JORDAN'S Athletic ability is second to NOBODY
Kobe was the most skilled player all time. Foot work, shoulder movement hip movement he knew how to use his shoulders and hips, he could use both hands shooting, his fakes head movement, he had the most skilled mental game, there was nothing he couldn't do on the court he could do it all.
Let’s start here...MJ could jump about a foot higher than Kobe, if you a hooper you know what that means 😂✌🏽
Your fooling
NinjaMatul MJ had massive ankles aswell
money Mark and he had massive strong ankles
@mash work 😂😂😂😂😂😂
But Kobe is more skilled than Jordan was, kobe might copy MJ, but Kobe can pull out the Olajawon, the dirks fade away, kobe has better handles, better foot work, I guess it's a matter of who's getting the ball first
Man I absolutely loved this video. I used to hate Jordan after we lost to him in the ‘91 finals but always respected him. Scottie helped him out by locking down Magic though. But when Kobe came I was like 🤔 ‘’ this dude got it in him”. And then he conquered. In his own way. Should have had 7 chips. He was that dude. We got LeBron now, but I would trade him in a heartbeat for a healthy Mamba. Today!
Me too haha
me three...Laker4lifeSince1998
One thing is for sure, I'm nowhere close to MJ and Kobe. They are clearly better than me.
Glad u know
What a sad TH-cam account you have there.
It's the equivalent of a 2009 bathroom selfie [the kind that shows eyelids, because the dude is looking at himself on the phone's screen], only It's 2020.
I don't have to describe it to you though. Just look at your own Facebook.
Gilbert is not talking about Kobe, he talking about himself.
OK I can see that
Kellon Nixon exactly I wondered who caught on
YEA , MAN. G(😀)(😀)D. L(🔎)(🔍)KING. (😀)UT . GILBERT. MAKES. IT SOUND. LIKE. KOBE. PHYSICALLY. GIFTED. .
@@romeojoseph6509 Kobe's athleticism didn't last long. It declined alot after 2008. You can literally see his vertical getting lower and he wasn't as fast anymore. Still skilled as hell though
Sounds like it
He talking like Kobe was Iverson size or something LOL he was 6’6 and won a dunk contest
You dont play ball. U dont get it
Marques Terry watch the video again. Well maybe you just don’t get it
Jordan and kobe had the exact same stats 6'6" 215lbs
@@GoatReactz You don't know me and what I said made perfect sense
@@Infinite_information615 I understand it but its not a strong case to call Kobe the goat. Many players aren't as naturally gifted like Jordan was..He mentioned the difficult shots kobe made he also missed a lot of ill advised shots. This isn't a strong argument. I'd rather him mention Kobe playing through injuries then being 6'6 with a 38' vert lbs
Thank you Raul for these videos the real nba fans appreciate this!!
Kobe is the only one who can be in the same GOAT conversation as MJ. He's the closest thing to MJ that anyone has ever tried and done.
No he's not. His style of play closely resembles mj
@@wangtang12 yes his style I hate when people say "he deserves to be compared to because hes the closest to MJ" Lebron is the closest to Mj
Th Nd10 nigga how is Lebron close to Jordan Lebron can’t score like Kobe and Jordan
@@ad0nisss__ impact and dominance
He's the closest thing to Jordan as far as style of play but not dominance.
What a mean analysis! Kobe ain't #2 in my eyes, but dag he made a good argument
I like how Gilbert sticks to his guns.
So a 38”-39” inch vert is average? Lmao whaaaat
Well above average in the nba I've seen highlights where kb head was above the rim so who knows what his true vert was
He was comparing it to Jordan’s 46” vert and the 2 guards of today!
In comparaison with Jordan, yes it is.
At 6’6 no fuxkin way that’s avg idgaf who you comparing to! Unless it’s Zion of course 😂
Jacob Shreves in the nba yes . Every 6’6 guard is athletic asf
Kobe was the son MJ always wanted .
Facts! You hit it head on
In hindsight, come to think of it... yeah!
Gil is a true professor of the game. He truly studies the game and it's players. Gotta love and respect the passion.
Damn I never thought of it that way
That’s a great point about maximizing your athleticism. I always wondered why Kobe with a 38 vert has some of the greatest dunks in NBA history and Dangelo russel with the same vertical can barely get his wrist over the rim on a running start
What? 1999-2003 Kobe was one of the most athletic basketball players the NBA has ever seen. Arenas doesn't know what he's talking about.
Love that background music, perfect for Kobe's game...
If he doesn't think MJ was a competitive "psycho" then he doesn't know him enough. You don't win 10 scoring titles & 6 Rings in 2 - 3 peat spurts being normal. This is Indisputable.
MJ is the most competitive basketball player ever. He had to Win BY ANY MEANS necessary
Of course he's one of the most competitive. Everyone knows this about MJ. What Gilbert is saying is that his athleticism and physical gifts also was a huge bonus that helped a lot, whereas Kobe Bryant wasn't fortunate enough to have that, so everything he worked for he had to work much harder which is why it's so impressive
Who did MJ play against? Kobe played against far superior athletes and basketball players. MJ had no competition at the 2 guard.
0351 USMC or MJ was just that much better than the competition!!? that's a weak rebuttal and you can't back that up.
Andre Franklin exactly. thank you.
0351 USMC That’s actually a weak argument and shows you either didn’t watch basketball during Jordan’s era or you are just parroting what the mainstream media says.
You can actually argue for both players, meaning, Jordan’s competition was stronger and grittier. Kobe’s competition was much more skilled.
Personally I think the 80s/90s was the second toughest era after 70s/80s, the 00s and beyond can’t compare to those eras grit-wise and in essence not as tough. So the argument can be made that Jordan actually had it tougher than Kobe as a scorer, not as tough as a defender. Kobe had it tougher as a defender than Jordan, but not as a tough as a scorer.
You also have to factor in rules and rule changes that Kobe benefited from and that Jordan wasn’t able to.
Kobe's peak athleticism was the 2003 season.....people forget he had 3 knee surgeries afterward.......just imagine 02-03 Kobe for 10yrs ?
Athleticism
Kobe vs Jordan
Jordan - 10
Kobe - 8.5 (2003)
Lebron -10 PEDs......ALLEGEDLY
Even after those surgeries, he was still athletic af. I think those didn't affect him too much. He was a bunny, dunking on people right up until like '08 or '09 at the very least.
@@johnhenrybautista9791 I think it did impact him he was a step slower and less explosive overall....sure he had moments but 2003 was the peak was never the same after
Yeah 2003 he was at his peak, i wish he would have stayed as healthy as lebron has and i wish they would have gotten pau in 2005-06 because Kobe might have gotten 8 championships. Imagine if they never rescinded the cp3 trade.
@@lioninthesun well Lebron based on my research uses PED's so...yea.....the only questionable thing for Kobe was the Germany blood booster surgery in 2013....
@@JIX9ISLER1986 well I know for a fact Kobe could have eaten much better. I believe in an organic whole foods plant based alkaline diet which strengthens tendons and bones and everything so he could have avoided a lot of injuries.
Gave me chills talking about how determined Kobe is
very tough deep analysis between Jordan and Kobe to be honest it's hard but im a MJ solid fan! ( Le3-6ron who?) XD
hehehehehehe and he wont get to 3-7 or 4-6 because he is too old and the Clippers...aren't.
@@shaft9000 this age so fucking well
This was before his passing too. Players from Kobe's era held him in high regard way before he passed.
The car analogy is good, but Kobe wouldn’t be a Honda in that comparison. He would be more like a BMW or Maserati. Let’s not act like Kobe has no athleticism. He played multiple sports and was a really good athlete. Yes, Jordan’s athleticism was unparalleled, but Kobe was naturally talented as well.
Gilbert must be smoking heavy. This analysis is a backhanded compliment to Kobe Bryant.
Adonas Buhr i think Kobe would definitely say his build isn’t average but when you compare it to nba players in his position it clearly is. Not talking about skills , mentality or IQ. I’m talking about his body build
@@kleb5447 Jordan was stronger than Kobe and had the highest vertical ever recorded! And he also played for Dean Smith for 3yrs
@@riqgeez8776 zion has a higher vertical jump
@@E46325mod Nawww that's all HYPE just like him playing this year MJ had a 48inch vertical as a rookie in Chicago! I seen Zion Williamson vertical jump when he did it they gave him a step and still 46 or 47 inches I forgot after Michigan State beat my Duke squad with them grown ass men Lol
Adonas Buhr Kobe shoots better and have better handle than Jordan Jordan gets to the hole easier and is a lil more athletic than Kobe but it’s close...Kobe takes more difficult shots...he won two championships without a star
I’m glad this interview came out before Kobe’s passing. Respect to Gilbert
I am glad too because most of the players who are now declaring Kobe as a goat, didn't even have him top 15 before he died. Then suddenly after his untimely and sad loss they elevated him to #1 or 2. Shaq should be ashamed to be in that group considering their feud.
@@waynelord7177 which players didn’t have him top 15 before his passing???
I get what he saying here but kobe ups was well above average not Jordan level but he got up there.
Jordan being Superman and Kobe being Batman is the best explanation I’ve ever heard
I never realized this.. but it's a perfect analogy. The level of determination you need to have to achieve greatness while not having the outstanding physical gifts... it's incredible
This is one of the better videos about the goat conversation
Thankyou!!
I love content like these...
To me being a GOAT is subjective to whomsoever that said it.
That said, I really admire Kobe for his grit, his passion, and his love for the game...
You can gouge his eyes, & break his legs, but you can't take him off the fvckin' court!!
That's what I love from Kobe...
Thanks Kobe for inspiring me
Gilbert’s voice behind that beat sounds like a magical slow jam 😌
Great points and I've never heard an argument for Kobe expressed in this way. True, he did a lot more with a lot less, and put himself in the conversation as one of the GOATS. But both had an insane work ethic, and yes, Jordan's God-given athleticism allowed him to do and be things that Kobe could never catch or achieve even with the mamba mentality. MJ is literally a once-in-a-thousand years virtuoso while Kobe was a generational talent. Kobe shows that through sheer will power, you can be more than the sum of your parts, at the highest level of competition. However, MJ natural gifts made him essentially superhuman.
Gilbert's analysis and his inside to the game is second to none! I love how he explains the NBA and everything coming with it.
Only one scored 81, only one scored 62 in 3 qtrs against a finals team, Kobe 62 Mavs 61... Only one scored 30 in a qtr twice... Only Kobe = GOAT 🐐 💜💛
Quirino Garza facts
My guy Jordan scored 69 with 18 rebounds...
@@whenisdinner2137 MJ 69 pts with overtime.. Kobe 81 in 4 qtrs..🐐💜💛
@@quirinogarza7381 Kobe played the worst team in the league and had the ball every minute of the game. Jordan played a playoff team and still played like normal without ball hogging.
@@whenisdinner2137 you're either hella stupid or hella young or both... Kobe played 42 mins. 81pts MJ played 50 mins. 69 pts
I've always said that.. mj did all of his damage in 11 years!!!!!!
Jordan’s mid range is incomparable
32 32 Durant
@Leland Joseph nah Durant isn't a killer like jordan
@Leland Joseph yea it does he doesn't have the mentality To average 40 too
KD
Michael
They're pretty close
I love this! We need more of Agent 0
This was the most in depth explanation, I have heard🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
"I don't get five championships here without him." - Kobe on MJ🐐
No denying, Kobe is 100% the hardest working player I’ve heard and seen
this video made me tear up. I always thought this same thing and it made me emotional someone else sees it too. Maybe it's because I had a disability and still competed in sports against people without that. But I don't know how other people don't understand this. Kobe really is the Batman of all the greats. He literally had nothing athletically that made him exceptional. He was average at it all but he used it all like a scientist. Whereas Jordan is Superman. Jordan is great and all but he is so gifted it always almost felt like cheating. I just hated rooting for a guy like that. But you knew Kobe was just a really smart guy in a suit, willing to die to win and that to me is greater than some invincible god who damn near could fly.
To me Kobe is like if Batman somehow came after Superman and put on the Super man costume and somehow was able to figure out how to be Superman ANYWAY without the actual super powers. I think that's why so many of us love Kobe so much in such a personal way because he's OUR Jordan.
That Batman analogy was the best way describe it, wow!
Kobe never loss a 1v1 Gilbert i would never bet against him for my life unless i was gonna commit suicide anyway but didnt wanna pull the trigger myself
Nevah looaassttth
Kobe said it best “You don’t get me without him”💯🙏🏾RIP
Phil Jackson actually said kobe had more skill than Mike
@TheRealist 811 Kobe fanboys be trying to reach for anything they can😂😂😂😂😂AND LOSE EVERYTIME THEY TRY IT!!!!
Kobe is more skilled but MJ had better attributes. Gilbert explains it clearly his podcast. Kobe maximized potential but he had to cause he didn’t have Michael Jordan’s attributes.
Phil Jackson kept MJ only to 30 points a game. That’s means MJ could have scored more. Plus MJ played in tougher league where they use beat him up constantly.
@@trentonpearson7353 it's still impressive to see an ok basketball player turn into an iconic scorer because most of your better athletes want to learn from Kobe over LeBron. MJ said he's not touching a basketball again because of his competitive nature so I would rather learn from Kobe because MJ is only going teach someone through his fundamental DVD.
slimstretch56 yeah he had to because he had less athleticism
Kobe is the most skilled of all time.
Jordan and Kobe fan here... and this was a good video
This was deep
Just here to remember *Kobe* *RIP* *1978-2020*
He’s acting like Kobe is some 5’11 average guy lmao. Dudes 6’6 and still had crazy athleticism, I’m not really rolling with this.
Yea it was mad disrespectful to compare Kobe to a Honda lol. Kobe didn't have Jordan's huge hands and ridiculous vert, but he was still 6'6 with a big wingspan and very explosive.
His analogies are on point 😂😂👌🏾
This is the greatest, GREATEST explanation-/ debate I’ve ever heard. Better than ANY sports analyst has ever even thought about speaking. This is incredible. Absolutely incredible and I’m so happy as a die hard kobe fan to hear someone appreciate just how TRULY great he was. Fundamentally, shooting. Ball handling. Footwork defense. Everything. The mentality is a given we all know the guy would die out there. Anyone who ruptured their Achilles’ tendon and shoots two free throws while walking the length of the court twice and walking to the locker room would die on the court. Bro salute to you Gilbert. True goat for this one dude.
Kobe is the player that doesn’t care about his K/D only about hitting clips
Is amazing how all former and current players all put 1MJ, and 2 Kobe not sorry ass Lechoke
Lebron>>>>>>Kobe
As a real basketball fan, you respect all players even if they not your favorite💯
@@langstonjonescomadore2024 shut up fool you're nobody
Lmfaoo neither are number two Kareem is
@@cheerioss-9121 with a title like that who is going to take you serious
I disagree about Kobe being average that just bs when he was in his prime he caught a body every night..Gilbert arenas is that average Athlete
That's why he said Kobe used what he have more than anybody else on the league. He maybe referring to himself too. I'm still wondering of Kobe's posterizers on how the hell did he make those dunks without getting blocked.
I kinda get where he’s coming from but it seems like he’s saying Kobe is as athletic as Jerry Stackhouse which isn’t true at all.
Kobe was more athletic than TMac G Hill Steve Smith Reggie Miller... list goes on and on. Maybe not as Athletic as MJ or VC but he’s not an on the bottom of that list.
Tmac was more athletic your tripping has a higher and all
Damn!!! That was well put... Nobody could put it any better than that... 👏 👏 👏
I LOATHE these commercials, like one is watching television. One of the reasons I came to TH-cam was to be away from advertisements.
That was great all of my all-time Thug basketball player. Didn't know the cat was intellectual.
That was on the money💯
Gilbert arenas is abusing that cannabis store they put around his house...lol.
Kobe: the definition of hardwork and dedication.
Gilbert had such a strange career, easily could've been first ballot Hall of Fame but injuries and strange incidents derailed it.
Teacher: So what did we learn
Class: Kobe is batman and MJ is superman
the strange thing is, players called Kobe the Black Bruce Wayne lol
Jordan is bugatti, kobe is honda
Kobe the goat
Crazy Kobe fan, Lebron>>>>>>>>Kobe. MJ>>>>>>>>>Kobe
Allan Houston 😂😂
@@allanhouston6759 Lebron would never win back to back titles w/ Paul gasol as a number 2 guy
Jamal Green he wouldn’t go 6/24 in a game 7 in the finals
ClutchSzn⛹🏾♂️ with a bum knee, a bum ankle, and a broken finger? Probably.
Great argument!!!!
"I don't get five championships here without him." - Kobe on MJ in the Last dance documentary 🐐
This is Beautiful. Rip Kobe 🙏🏽
I love how Gilbert broke this down I didn’t know Jordan was so much more athletic than Kobe wow
Wut.. you couldn't gauge how much more athletic Jordan was with his 48" vert to Kobe's 36" which all (even casual bball fans) know? Young Kobe was a less athletic DeRozan while Jordan was 6'6 with D Wade's strength and Nate Robinson's leaping ability..
@@DelightFools LMAO less athletic Derozen 😂😂😂 You must have been watching a different Kobe
Kobe is the Goat he played 20 years with the same team at a high level!
Kobe beat harder teams than Jordan
Gilbert Lost Me, Then He Kind Of Had Me......And Then He Completely Lost Me Again. I Think Gilbert Is Completely Understating Kobe's Physical Gift:
1. He Was Supremely Athletic, His Athleticism Just Showed A Little Different. He Wasn’t As Athletic Or Strong As Michael, But He Wasn’t That Far Behind Either To The Point That You Call Mike The Warriors and Kobe The Knicks…That’s Just Crazy
2. When You Add Kobe’s Skills With His Athletic Ability Then One Could Argue That He Very Much Should Have Been Battling Mike For Top Dawg, Mike Would Probably Win 70% Of The Time But That Doesn’t Take Away From Who Kobe Is When Talking All Time Status
3. If You Were To Take Prime Kobe And Put Him Against The Wings And Perimeter Players That Played In The 80s and 90s, He’d Look Even More Athletic Than He Did In His Own Era
4. Gilbert Talking About Kobe Like He Had Paul Pierce Type Athletic Ability…Slow Down Gilbert
I Could Go On, But I'll Stop There
I disagree. He's not understating Kobe's Physical Gifts. Compared to guards of his position in the 80s, Kobe was def not as gifted- Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond, World B. Free, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Eddie jones. He's saying Kobe could use his athleticism better than they could. Have you seen the dunk contest he won in 97/98 when he put it between his legs? the ball was like 5 inches above the rim when he dunked it. He knew how to use his athleticism and had longer arms that most so he could reach the rim quicker. Humans don't just evolve within decades and are "more athletic" that narrative needs to stop. Like, apparently wilt chamberlain was the most athletic person to ever exist and he was not from this era, obviously
Lost you or you lost gilbert? Lol
The subtle music behind this is perfect. You damn near don’t even notice it, but it subtly adds value to the words
I agree, and I'm glad you enjoyed it!