As a guy who's actually drawn for Marvel and DC for the last 30 years or so, living through the 90's nightmare, I have to admit; I found that video to be highly entertaining. Kudos and godspeed.
As someone who payed for a lot of that dogshit in the 90's, yeah, it was a nightmarish shit show with the DC/Marvel, but the independents were awesome. Johnny the Homicidal maniac, and Dork, just two of my faves.
"They're trying so hard to make Squirrel Girl some 'lol so random' Dead Pool for girls and it's not working." A shtick that was old when DC tried to turn Harley into that self same character, but with the dress sense of a suicide doll.
Every decade has got it's fair share of crap in comics elevated by nostalgia, but the 90's had way more than any other decade. Good stories in the 90's were more rare than any varient foil cover. For every "Wildstorm Spotlight #1" (my all time favorite Alan Moore Story) and "James Robinson Starman" you had a dozen Spawns.
@YANKEEBASTARD lol you NPC reeeeee you believe all that smearing and media lies? yeah you might as well find a channel more up your alley like corporate media news.
@@yankeebastardnslovakia He likes MJ. So? I'm not a fan but I'm not looking for someone who has 100% the same ideas I do. That's called an echo chamber.
You captured in only 568,045 words why I tell people I got out of comics in the 90s: good storytelling took a backseat to gimmicks. A lesson the MCU audience is now beginning to learn.
The few things 90s comics had over todays comics is 1) They weren't preachy about politics. 2) they were so cheesy and over the top they were actually fun to read. 3) collecting multiple books were affordable on an weekly allowance for kids. 4) you could find comics at 7-11s and supermarkets.
This js why I still disagree with Razor's main point. I'd rather have something hilariously bad and overthetop over something that makes me want to throw a molotov in the writers room.
I disagree on point 2. I recently started trying to read some of the 90s comics out of morbid curiosity. Obnoxious splash pages and baffling panel layout abound.
@@mrscruffles801 Strongly agree. I rather have something like Rob Liefeld's BloodWulf from the 90's instead of some super propaganda 2023 comic like "Avengers: Everyday Heroes" (the Marvel / Pfizer collaboration). BloodWulf is a hilariously bad, absurd Lobo clone from Image comics, it's not award winning material, NOT even freaking close, but it's freaking HILARIOUS and FUN to read.. It's severely over the top, it's extremely juvenile beyond belief and it's very hilariously bad at times (sometimes to the point where I think it's on purpose) but at the end of the day, it's pure escapism and it's A LOT more FUN and better than certain modern comics that are pushing some political agenda (that to me is so much worse since it's not even "so bad, it's good", it's just purely horrendous).
Hey Razor, at least Speedball was built to be a goofy joke character who's design reflected that- it's not like they ever tried to make him a character that people took seriously by making him responsible for a massive tragedy that retconned his whole identity into a BDSM anti-hero that somehow was less likeable and looked even wor-
The art style of 90's X-Men is why everyone loved the comics. Further solidified by the voice cast of the 90's Animated Series. They were great in many ways but compared to what we have today they are masterpieces now. The animated series would've been even greater if they didn't have to censor themselves.
I really never paid attention to the art. Until it got to be shit at the end of the decade. But by then, I’d moved on to other things. Although, I will say stuff was worlds better back then than it is today.
Wrestling was great in the 90's I know Razor will disagree but there was some great music in the 90's. Although I love 80's music. The cartoons like X Men & Spider Man were great. There was excellent movies in the 90's. Oh well great video.
Thank you!! I can tell you're someone who looks at the good and tries to look past the bad and we can all agree that the illustration was great but when it comes to writing I think they need a college course on that
@@BlackLotus30 It's truly sad how bad things are now that THAT's the bar now, "Rob's art sucks, but at least he doesn't spend all his time/energy on calling pple a literally nazi garbage human." I mean Jamal Igle is objectively a way better artist then Rob, was a huge fan of his pin-ups, but his Trump Derangement Syndrome appears to be melting his brain and doesn't even bother to carry out crowd-funding promises unless there's an impeachment or something.
@@theblocksays I know, I feel the same way I was pretty neutral on rob's art and he did co-create one of my favorite x-men Cable with Chris Claremont and Louise Simonson. Rob did have some great ideas and well I know that I would get a better interaction with him than fucking Mark Waid, he is trash and i didn't how trash he was until i heard what he did when Crossgen went under.
He the only artist who could put 10 characters on one page, with only 3 vaguely illustrated feet among them. But I guess all of the pockets and shoulder pads make up for it.
90s comics are still better than the garbage we got now. At least in the 90s, we had Sandman, Preacher, Transmetropolitan, Morrison's JLA, Astro City, etc. whereas now comics like The Pervert, Squirrel Girl and Zoe Quinn's comic gets celebrated by the shill media.
Disagree...there were few good comic as they are now. And most average stuff. As there is now. And very very bad stuff.AS THERE IS NOW. Also never.really was big fan of Garth Ennis...don't get his humour but i appreciate how human can make even the.most horrible person in the room and how he debunk and destroy the vey macho mythos people accuse him to enforce
At least the 90s had great cartoons. Batman the Animated series, X-men cartoon, Spawn the Animated series. And that's not even counting the non superhero cartoons like Pinky and the Brain, Rocko's Modern Life, the old Simpsons, etc.
I grew up in the 90's and lived next door to a comic book collector. He would have a yard sale every summer, selling many comic books and action figures. I remember being blown away at how many "Collectors Edition" and "First Issue" comics he was selling for 50 cents and under.
The 90s produced far better cartoons than comics. Even cartoons based on comics from that era were some of the best ever made. Heck, let's be honest. Batman the Animated Series is worth millions of copies of these Batman ""Knightfall" reboot comics. Superman the Animated Series (and the entire DC Animated Universe) X-Men the Animated Series Duckman: Private Dick & Family Man The Tick Iron Man Silver Surfer Bucky O'Hare and the Toad Wars Men in Black: The Animated Series The Adventures of Sam & Max: Freelance Police
I heard about the Maxx. Was that any good? Also, the 90s also gave birth to Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs. Admittedly, some of the references do date both shows terribly, but some of the jokes still land on their feet....Animaniacs more so than TTA, but I'm a bit biased.
Plus shows like DuckTales, DarkWing Duck, Tail Spin, and Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers. What a great time period for some Saturday morning cartoon watching.
@@danniheggie9956 I got two volumes of the omnibus. And I’ve a lot of the 1980s Punisher comics. I really enjoyed the Holy War comic involving Punisher hunting down a murderer who turns his murder victims into statues and wax figures.
Tell ya what: I'll give you this really shiny new dime I got from the bank for your not quite as shiny comic there. That should be about fair, yeah? :^)
Hey! As having two broken feet, I like Liefeld's artistic take on legs. Just not his opinion on Captain America's breast size. I mean, Power Girl would be jealous.
Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake, Starcraft, C&C, Thief, Raptor, Einhander, and that's just right off the top of my head. Late 80s through early 00s were magical for video games. Lots of crap, sure, but plenty of titles that still get new players today, enjoying them without even the haze of nostalgia.
I will never understand the 90s JRPG wankfest. I can only assume it's because babi's raised exclusively on consoles didn't know what an RPG was until they played that overrated tripe.
I don't entirely agree, but I'd take everything that's maligned about 90s comics over today's trends. Of course, a lot of that 90s stuff from the likes of Image was rebellion against a similar self-important preachy attitude from overpaid comics writers _before_ then. The investment market balloon and Marvel's shenanigans overshadow that a lot of 90s superhero comics were just trying to be fun and _cool._
Genuine Weeb I don’t see how that’s bad. Japan did the same with anime in the 90s and (while they had random shit) at the same time it gave us the greatest.
I ended up reading Dragon Ball, Black Cat, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Rave, in college. (Guilty pleasure, Midnight Secretary, exists. Have fun with both.) I agree these 90s series are better than current comic stories.
Screw you. Mr A was how we got The Question (also an Objectivist hero before they feminized him via a BS murder arc resulting in Renee Montoya replacing him)
@@alejandrocisneros7442 well, Earthworm Jim was popular in the 90's. And while Cyberfrog was not considered a "hit" comic in the 90's, it sold something like 80,000 copies, which today would be like a top 10 comic, lol
Van Sciver's success with Cyberfrog was more to do with milking a well-tended TH-cam cash cow, and Doug Tennaple is very fortunate that he got the Earthworm Jim IP back after creating it as work for hire, but also reaping the benefits of a lot of work done building EJ up as a brand apart from his contributions; not to mention it was only known as a video game and cartoon property originally.
If you think nostalgia for the 90's is bad, then just wait for nostalgia for the early 2000s Edit: Okay, let me rephrase what I said. I beleice that there are many good things from the 2000s but there is an equal amount of shit. For every Halo there was another god damn Call Of Duty sequel. For every Transformers Animated there was Revenge of the Fallen. And you may not like to think about it but people will be nostalgic for something awful (look at my icon and username for god's sake) So there were great things in the 2000s but there are many awful things among with them
the early 2000s were okay in my opinion - Avatar The Last Airbender (if you are into anime) - Star Wars Clone Wars - Ben 10 (if you are a 13 year old kid you will enjoy it)
@@comicsans1689 late '90s/early 2000s Vidya was extremely innovative and awesome. Soul Reaver, Omikron: the nomad soul were crazy ambitious in their storytelling. Thief 1 & 2 set trends for stealth/action Games for the next 20 years. I could go on
@Stan Dandyliver Agreed. I personally like the 6th generation of games the best because you had so many great games on every platform (Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, and PC). The best CRPGs also came out in the early 2000s, and I'm saddened that they moved away from that with the 7th generation.
And some smaller companies from the 90s like Valiant you can get away with collecting since they have enough rarity to warrant a semi decent price tag.
@The Law How the heck is Liefeld a ''breath of fresh air''? Are you stuck in the 90's or have been living under a rock? There's a ton of artist right fucking now who're LEAGUES better than Liefeld. Chris Samnee, Jorge Jimenez, Sean Murphy, Dexter Soy, Nicola Scott, Sana Takeda, and many more blow Liefeld out of the water.
@Applemain main Hey, there's nothing wrong with an animate Pam Anderson fighting baddies with her trusty twins providing cleavage only Power Girl could rival.
It’s because of variant covers that Marvel keeps putting a new #1 on the top 10 every time. I hate that shit. They have a good Hulk comic beating Batman recently, and they just keep doubling down on fucking variants. The Black Cat book was terrible, but it was #1 last month BECAUSE of variants.
It always blows my mind how many collectors don't understand that supply and demand is the sole determining factor of value for more or less everything. They'll buy comics, cards, toys, etc on the belief that they'll be valuable "some day" for no other reason than "they're collectibles"
SciFi Debris: [releases meticulously researched multi-part documentary several hours long detailing all the events leading up to and the fallout of the speculator boom and the comics bubble bursting] RazorFist:
Its been sometime since I last watched a video of his. The last one I watched was about the 1989 Doctor Who cancellation, did he actually made a video about the comicbook dork age?
I remember my cousins saving their money up to buy all these "special editions" thinking they were going to make a small fortune by the time we were in High School. Makes me glad I only really got into Dark Horse comics. 90's Aliens and Predator comics (and the crossovers) kicked ungodly amounts of ass.
Oh hey, another one. Asperger's here. Still struggle with abstract concepts every now and then. But it's slower learning, not no learning. So steady exposure will have me catch up eventually.
Joyful Dude thank you for being this up. I'm tired of hearing this. People who use autistic as a metaphor for stupid don't have the balls to say the word retarded anymore.
do yall like sarcasm. my boy hates that shit. he is like a china man. his best laugh came from stewie beatingnthenshit out of brian " wheres my money man" he gets pissed when i make normal jokes. owen benjamins a jew and a chinaman is how i refer his sense of humor. no jokes. just ladys falling down stairs and guys getting hit in the balls.
@@Chayliss If its done well sure, I use sarcasm quite a lot, probably too much tbh. People really don't have any clue what high functioning autism is like and this is mainly due to the fact that we struggle to explain it. We process things differently but we generally arrive at the same end point as anybody else, so if its funny we will generally laugh. Some things trip us up though like social ques and non verbal stuff along with the abstract, but exposing ourselves to people, groups and certain abstract ideas tends to help over time. It really hasn't hindered my life at all, I would be tempted to says its actually been a net benefit in my life. Also I hate to be that guy, but LSD really helped me realize something and that was simply the fact that everyone has some weird shit going on in their head. Once I realized that I was off and running.
I do have the entire 50-issue run of Darkhawk. That's my 90's guilty pleasure, I hate to admit. Thanks Razorfist for putting together another great video. You put several events in perspective. I used to refer to the 1990's as the decade of "vamps and re-vamps".
I remember this era so well as I was working in a chain bookstore that was leasing good floor space to this phenomenon...and some of the younger guys told me these comics were as valuable as fine art. Yeah, they compared the value (future value) to Monet. The Special Editions, foil wraps etc and how you had to keep them in the original cellophane. I wonder if any of them still have their collections. Then came the anime/manga craze...
I just realized my nostalgia for 90's comics was less about the books and more about my childhood. I don't care or remember what story i was reading. I remember careless summer days riding my bike to the park at the end of my street, fishing coins out of the fountain and going to spend them at the comic store around the corner. And then going back to the park to read them in the grass with my buddy next door
My 2 cents : 1. I don't think people actually love 90's comics, but the stuff that comes out today is so shitty that they look good in comparison. 90's comic barely had a plot and were style over substance. Contemporary comics give you social justice lessons in addition to shitty writing, have boring tumblr art instead of batshit insane (and occasionnally badly-drawn) splash pages, and the creators actively hate the readers' guts. 2. Defending the Big Two and a Half's 90's comics is a good way for comic-book TH-cam channels to get some views by choosing a mild enough contrarian opinion, and most comic casuals don't know the 90s stuff. 3. I unironically love 90's X-Treme grimdark comics. Bombastic art, guns, tits, violence, cyborgs and ninjas fucking everywhere. Metal as fuck. I even love Image stuff like Spawn, WildC.A.T.s, Cyberforce and Prophet. Yes the plots were shit, the art was overblown, yes my taste is shit for liking it it, I know. But to start collecting comics, they were great because they were cheap, plentiful and cool as fuck when I was a penniless teenager a decade ago.
You bastard. This hurts. I too loved Jim Lee and the 90s X-Men. And Rogue and Bishop and the boysenberry pie. And the foil covers. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. *hugs comic card binder*
@The Bandog> This is true. BTW you should check out ebay for 90's comics. The pricing is all over the place, same comic can range from a few bucks to ridiculously overpriced.
Yeah, the whole wave of mass buying was a hilarious example of how basic economics isn't widely understood. If you flood the market with a product, the value of said product drops. The Rules of Acquisition should be mandatory education for every child at the age of 6.
Korri Galbraith so true, back in the late 90s early 2000s a damn cheap read, with a few gems of good series that either went on too long or were just mediocre from the get go. I used to buy them in bulk, get all the good ones worth reading them give them in huge stacks as presents for my younger cousins. It’s a garbage pile with some gems to be found.
I was born in 2001 and I really got to see the irrelevance of comics. I genuinely can’t name a single one of my peers that got into comics before the past 5 years. For most of us, our introduction into superheroes and comic books were the Sam Rami Spider-Man movies and the first MCU movies
I think part of the reason the Moon Knight and Marvel Occult comics from the era like Blade and Ghost Rider are so good is expressly because mainstream management ignored that stuff.
@Joseph McKeever ....Take another look, the managment didn't ignore Moon Knight in the 90's. During the mid 90's, Moon Knight got Rob Liefield with his giant belt buckle and eye bleeding comic art. The only 90's Moon Knight comics worth reading include: Scarlet Redemption, The Doug Moench 1999 to 2001 mini series, and (debatablily) Trials of Marc Spector.
@@RamsTheNameCom It wasn't Rob Liefeld, it was Stephen Platt. The dude went on to work on Prophet after MK. Also, the early Mark Spector : Moon Knight comics were great.
@@RamsTheNameCom I suppose its true they got talent, but I don't think they had any expectation of mainstream success. Just look at when they tried to force Moon Knight into the mainstream Avengers or when Bendis ignored all existent canon without cause and made his multiple personalities different superheroes. When you try to make the acquired taste a popular one it doesn't work, and in a time period of extreme blandness acquired tastes become the good stuff.
@@RuneKnight3 Michael Bendis was also the one who invented Moon Knight's Multiple Personality Disorder back in 2005's Ultimate Spiderman (like Black Nick Fury, the current Moon Knight is a weird amalgamation of Ultimate and 616). 2006's Charlie Huston Moon Knight was the last to NOT give Moon Knight multiple personality disorder. Jake, Steven, and (lesser known) Ian were all just his disguises in order to get info as well as hide Marc Spector from the CIA/various terrorist groups.
There are some 90's comics that have gone up in price greatly in recent years. Obvious ones being Harley Quinn's first appearance, as well as anything Venom and Carnage related. I bought Batman Adventures 12 (first Harley comic appearance) in a dollar bin back in 2001, then sold it 3 years ago for $350.
well ill say this as a slight rebuttal: My first X-men comic was early 90s (like 91 or so) and Forge proposed to Storm (Uncanny X-men, force kissing storm on the cover)... and then runs out on her AND the x-men the very next issue. I dont think ANY comic today would or could ever show something that fucked up. Also, I had an X-men comic from around the mid-90s where a telepath was working with sabertooth to find things about each beaten down x-man (they were all knocked out), where it is shown that Cyclops cheated on Jean Grey with Psylocke. Doubt anyone would ever dare write something like that nowadays.
No, nowadays they show Cyclops having the hots for Wolverine (or vice versa. Either way) And Forge would run out on storm to be with Bishop or something. 90s was realistic. These days it’s just messed up.
My dad had the digest version of the death of Superman stuffed in a shelf somewhere.He wasn't a collector he probably picked it up at a truck stop for a read
It’s so interesting how we can use the concepts of comics and trading cards to teach economics specifically inflation. As well as history and how life was lived back then.
Haha, I still have my copy of that Turok comic that I got after playing the game as a kid. I had no idea that it was such a powerful artifact and destroyer of comic shops. P.s. The Maxx is awesome.
It's not really a bad read, but one million copies sold? A thousand to 1 variant? As an old Valiant fan (collected it back then), this is just nuts to me.
Eclipse's MiracleMan #1. - German man kills puppy with rock, transforms to Ubermencsh, flies through terrain including the ground itself, blows up a person, crushes a man's throat, picks up an old dude, drags him in to the atmosphere and throws him down to become a meteorite.
Hell, some time ago when searching for new reading material at my local comics purveyor, I stumbled upon not one, but two copies of the 1st issue of Deadpool’s first miniseries. Both were available for about less than $16. Get a clue comic book industry!
I liked a lot of 90s comics because I think that they had decent stories, but I agree with you that they shouldn't be reappraised... they're not worth it. The Comic companies made a lot of bad decisions that drove them down and they deserve to fade off into the sunset.
As a big fan of Ghost Rider, the 90s was a pretty good time for the character. I mean, even with the unnecessary crossovers with other characters, of which there were many, a bunch of random new lore came about because of new stories with a new Ghost Rider. There was even three or four Ghost Rider related comics for a time. Then, after Vengeance held the mantle of Ghost Rider for four issues, he pretty much took over Marvel Comics Presents. The only points of contention I can think of for 90s Ghost Rider is when they had him go manga-ish for a few issues and when the final issue wasn't released. The good news is it finally was released in the mid-2000s along with the previous issue.
Loved some of the gags - made me laugh out loud at times :). A very accurate video with equally accurate and cutting comments by Stan. Stan knew how to make good comics that would sell. After he left the writing duties around '72 things went downhill and rarely came up again. For me anyway.
Friendly reminder that much like the US auto market in the 70's and 80's, the US comic market is getting it's ass handed to it by the Japanese manga market.
Japan panders to waifu culture, and all the soy basement dwellers in america and japan eat that shit up. That's the reason it's so booming. Hell, the only reason anyone even acknowledges Spider-Gwen or any of that shit is R34. Financial success =/= quality, as the X-men reboot and shit like SAO are a testament to.
Webweasel already watched UBW (was actually just watching the abridged) and Zero so nothing really more to add there. As for Asectic, I’m all for good shounen manga but if you have anything in scifi or fantasy that’s not obvious I’d probably be interested. I would love to become a real fan of a mecha sometime. I love shows like Grimgar, Bebop, Steins Gate, and even surprised myself into loving Oregairu lately. So I guess I’m kind of flexible in that regard.
Late 80s and early 90s comics were great with the British Invasion - Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison and Peter Milligan stretched the limits of convention.
Omg I've been saying this for almost 30 years. I lost my business at the time because I refused to participate in the speculation and the only thing people were buying were speculation books. Couldn't sell silver age to save my life
The grand irony being if you had managed to hang on you would have probably made a killing with people returning to their senses and buying the good stuff again.
That’s how nostalgia works. People latch on to whatever mediocrity was around when their balls dropped and decide 20-30 years later and decide it must’ve been important Art.
Will to tell you the truth american let me tell you the origin of the concept of nostalgia and that word had a very different meaning then we know today the term nostalgia was coined in 1688 by Johannes Hofer (1669-1752) in his dissertation in Basel. The word nostalgia was compound of the ancient Greek words nostos (return home) and algia (longing). Hofer introduced nostalgia or mal du pays "homesickness" for the condition also known as mal du Suisse "Swiss illness", because of its frequent occurrence in Swiss mercenaries who in the plains of Switzerland were pining for their landscapes. Symptoms were also thought to include fainting, high fever, and death. English homesickness is a loan translation of nostalgia. Sir Joseph Banks used the word in his journal during the first voyage of Captain Cook. On 3 September 1770 he stated that the sailors "were now pretty far gone with the longing for home which the Physicians have gone so far as to esteem a disease under the name of Nostalgia", but his journal was not published in his lifetime. Cases resulting in death were known and soldiers were sometimes successfully treated by being discharged and sent home. Receiving a diagnosis was, however, generally regarded as an insult. In the eighteenth century, scientists were looking for a locus of nostalgia, a nostalgic bone. By the 1850s nostalgia was losing its status as a particular disease and coming to be seen rather as a symptom or stage of a pathological process. It was considered as a form of melancholia and a predisposing condition among suicides. Nostalgia was, however, still diagnosed among soldiers as late as the American Civil War. By the 1870s interest in nostalgia as a medical category had almost completely vanished. Nostalgia was still being recognized in both the First and Second World Wars, especially by the American armed forces. Great lengths were taken to study and understand the condition to stem the tide of troops leaving the front in droves
I had to stop collecting and the owner of the shop lost it! He started leaving messages on my phone saying I owed him money on comics I never even took possession of! I thought he was going to send somebody out to break my thumbs.
Why does everyone say that? What is with this "unironically" bullshit? You can just say you enjoy something. It's not ironic to like something. If you liked it then you liked it. Just say that. Jesus, everyone and their obsession with the word "irony".
Man, I remember all those foil covers and "collector's editions", even still have a few. I will say, I really enjoyed the story lines Image Comics. My favs were The Savage Dragon, The Maxx, and Shadowhawk.
Both the Prequel Trilogy and the '90s comics share nothing in common with one another, nor do they correlate with each other. The Prequels were always good movies (too bad the butthurt MSM and online (narcissistic) reviewers (including RLM) try to spin it into a grand-standing BS narrative that the Prequels were "always bad," when it's not the case); the majority of '90s comics, though? Oh boy... 😬
Death of Superman and the Batman where Bane breaks his back are cool. The rest is straight garbage. It got too "extreme" and too gritty. But damn, do I love those Jim Lee X-Men costumes.
There are pretty good classic storylines for Superman and Batman and the X-men in the 90s which is more than I can say for a lot of other heroes who haven’t had iconic good runs in decades.
"You can think and draw at the same time?"
Goddamn Stan Lee could be savage when he wanted to be!
@Cormoran That "Bad as it is" one at the end, as well. Ouch! XD
That's why they call him Stan "The Man" Lee.
Stan slipped a good insult every now and then. Kevin Smith in his podcasts told some good ones.
was brutal lol
Problem is, with the "quality" of comic books these days, no wonder even 90's comics looks like masterpieces.
Just like how modern cartoons make 80's, 90's, and 2000's cartoons look like works of art.
@@Launchpad05 They actually are, though. They really, truly, are works of art.
As a guy who's actually drawn for Marvel and DC for the last 30 years or so, living through the 90's nightmare, I have to admit; I found that video to be highly entertaining. Kudos and godspeed.
Dude, your Inks on Venom were great.
Punisher: G-Force my man!
As someone who payed for a lot of that dogshit in the 90's, yeah, it was a nightmarish shit show with the DC/Marvel, but the independents were awesome. Johnny the Homicidal maniac, and Dork, just two of my faves.
Image Comics were rad
@@Valhalla13375 wow, I haven't heard of Johnny in a long long time.
...Vasquez's work hasn't aged well IMO
Things are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. That should be obvious, but apparently, some people don't understand that.
Squirrel Girl is going to be a hit. Any day now.
A hit with a bullet lol
Chris Primer
Yeah, hit by a fucking car like the roadkill she is.
More astroturf fertilizer
They're trying so hard to make Squirrel Girl some 'lol so random' Dead Pool for girls and it's not working.
"They're trying so hard to make Squirrel Girl some 'lol so random' Dead Pool for girls and it's not working."
A shtick that was old when DC tried to turn Harley into that self same character, but with the dress sense of a suicide doll.
I managed to track down a copy of the Ruby foil edition of that Turok comic in the UK for the princely, bank breaking sum of ............ £2.99. xD
actually I found one once in a 50 cent bin ROFL!!!
Every decade has got it's fair share of crap in comics elevated by nostalgia, but the 90's had way more than any other decade. Good stories in the 90's were more rare than any varient foil cover. For every "Wildstorm Spotlight #1" (my all time favorite Alan Moore Story) and "James Robinson Starman" you had a dozen Spawns.
*_ALWAYS_*_ got to work in that MovieBlob reference, don't you, Razor?_
Good man
@YANKEEBASTARD ?? wut
Is moviebob even alive anymore?
@YANKEEBASTARD lol you NPC reeeeee you believe all that smearing and media lies? yeah you might as well find a channel more up your alley like corporate media news.
@@yankeebastardnslovakia He likes MJ. So? I'm not a fan but I'm not looking for someone who has 100% the same ideas I do. That's called an echo chamber.
@@dankdizang9834 Sadly yes but his Channel sure isn't ;)
You captured in only 568,045 words why I tell people I got out of comics in the 90s: good storytelling took a backseat to gimmicks. A lesson the MCU audience is now beginning to learn.
Seeing Stan Lee makes me sad, just glad he doesn't get to see his beloved works get bastardized to oblivion.
more likely he's turning in his grave :P
@@JayDee284 Nah, he's in his Studio in heaven creating the absolute shizznipples of comics with the rest of the comic book saints.
The few things 90s comics had over todays comics is 1) They weren't preachy about politics. 2) they were so cheesy and over the top they were actually fun to read. 3) collecting multiple books were affordable on an weekly allowance for kids. 4) you could find comics at 7-11s and supermarkets.
This js why I still disagree with Razor's main point. I'd rather have something hilariously bad and overthetop over something that makes me want to throw a molotov in the writers room.
I disagree on point 2. I recently started trying to read some of the 90s comics out of morbid curiosity. Obnoxious splash pages and baffling panel layout abound.
Re: point 1) Two words: Milestone Media.
Yeah it’s unlike captain American isn’t preachy in he’s first appearance
@@mrscruffles801 Strongly agree. I rather have something like Rob Liefeld's BloodWulf from the 90's instead of some super propaganda 2023 comic like "Avengers: Everyday Heroes" (the Marvel / Pfizer collaboration). BloodWulf is a hilariously bad, absurd Lobo clone from Image comics, it's not award winning material, NOT even freaking close, but it's freaking HILARIOUS and FUN to read.. It's severely over the top, it's extremely juvenile beyond belief and it's very hilariously bad at times (sometimes to the point where I think it's on purpose) but at the end of the day, it's pure escapism and it's A LOT more FUN and better than certain modern comics that are pushing some political agenda (that to me is so much worse since it's not even "so bad, it's good", it's just purely horrendous).
Hey Razor, at least Speedball was built to be a goofy joke character who's design reflected that- it's not like they ever tried to make him a character that people took seriously by making him responsible for a massive tragedy that retconned his whole identity into a BDSM anti-hero that somehow was less likeable and looked even wor-
Ahh Penance
yeah and it wasn't his fault to begin with, god i never tought i would
miss the old new warriors.....
" Kick me in the balls with spiked toe boots, so i can fly us out of here"
@@BlackLotus30 yeah, the caught Nitro, then they brutalized him by slamming him against the fucking bus i think. Fuck
Civil War was a mistake. That was the point for me where I stopped caring about modern Marvel comics.
The art style of 90's X-Men is why everyone loved the comics. Further solidified by the voice cast of the 90's Animated Series.
They were great in many ways but compared to what we have today they are masterpieces now. The animated series would've been even greater if they didn't have to censor themselves.
I really never paid attention to the art.
Until it got to be shit at the end of the decade.
But by then, I’d moved on to other things. Although, I will say stuff was worlds better back then than it is today.
P.C gaming's "Golden age" was in the 90's. One of the few bright spots of that decade.
Damn straight.
Wrestling was great in the 90's I know Razor will disagree but there was some great music in the 90's. Although I love 80's music. The cartoons like X Men & Spider Man were great. There was excellent movies in the 90's. Oh well great video.
Gangster rap too...
a pentuim 75 and 14.4 dialup ripped me away from consoles.
@@robkearsy2995 there was shit loads of great 90s music. Electronic music in that decade was incredible and so much was spawned from it
No matter how much you hate them, 90s comics still had some amazing artwork..... not all of them but a good bit.
Lee is legitimately a good artist, unlike Leifeld, but the stories were shit, and the spectator market was also shit.
Thank you!!
I can tell you're someone who looks at the good and tries to look past the bad and we can all agree that the illustration was great but when it comes to writing I think they need a college course on that
Especially Todd McFarlane, and Jim Lee.
Rob Liefield was and extremely inspiring figure in the 90s. If he could become a comic book artist, ANYONE could become a comic book artist.
Rob Liefield hATE his art all you want at least he is not shitting on his fans like some comic book artis that shall not me named.
@@BlackLotus30 I will gladly give you that.
@@BlackLotus30 It's truly sad how bad things are now that THAT's the bar now, "Rob's art sucks, but at least he doesn't spend all his time/energy on calling pple a literally nazi garbage human."
I mean Jamal Igle is objectively a way better artist then Rob, was a huge fan of his pin-ups, but his Trump Derangement Syndrome appears to be melting his brain and doesn't even bother to carry out crowd-funding promises unless there's an impeachment or something.
@@theblocksays I know, I feel the same way I was pretty neutral on rob's art and he did co-create one of my favorite x-men Cable with Chris Claremont and Louise Simonson. Rob did have some great ideas and well I know that I would get a better interaction with him than fucking Mark Waid, he is trash and i didn't how trash he was until i heard what he did when Crossgen went under.
He the only artist who could put 10 characters on one page, with only 3 vaguely illustrated feet among them. But I guess all of the pockets and shoulder pads make up for it.
Worthless?? well, shit. At least I got my Beanie Babies to fall back on.
Might have to liquidate my rare pogs.
I was reading too quickly. That was Bernie Babies at first.
@@felixfarside1210 Awww, the communist version, made of inferior fabric. As I recall, there was only one kind so that everyone got the same one.
Yes, I was comparing the superman death comic thing to beanie babies as well.
I got my collectable Elvis plats to fall back on.
90s comics are still better than the garbage we got now. At least in the 90s, we had Sandman, Preacher, Transmetropolitan, Morrison's JLA, Astro City, etc. whereas now comics like The Pervert, Squirrel Girl and Zoe Quinn's comic gets celebrated by the shill media.
Agreed on that matter
Disagree...there were few good comic as they are now. And most average stuff. As there is now. And very very bad stuff.AS THERE IS NOW.
Also never.really was big fan of Garth Ennis...don't get his humour but i appreciate how human can make even the.most horrible person in the room and how he debunk and destroy the vey macho mythos people accuse him to enforce
Zoe Quinn's comic actualy came out? That's a genuine shock, considering how much stuff never came out because it's a scam.
Image.
At least the 90s had great cartoons. Batman the Animated series, X-men cartoon, Spawn the Animated series. And that's not even counting the non superhero cartoons like Pinky and the Brain, Rocko's Modern Life, the old Simpsons, etc.
I grew up in the 90's and lived next door to a comic book collector. He would have a yard sale every summer, selling many comic books and action figures. I remember being blown away at how many "Collectors Edition" and "First Issue" comics he was selling for 50 cents and under.
The Comics Industry can't escape the rage of the Rageaholic
No one can escape the rage of Razorfist
Razörfist can’t escape Terran Gell’s terrible puns
A wise man once said, "nostalgia is history after a few drinks."
You making this shit up are you American or I say Americunt and I hate Western culture
The 90s produced far better cartoons than comics. Even cartoons based on comics from that era were some of the best ever made. Heck, let's be honest. Batman the Animated Series is worth millions of copies of these Batman ""Knightfall" reboot comics.
Superman the Animated Series (and the entire DC Animated Universe)
X-Men the Animated Series
Duckman: Private Dick & Family Man
The Tick
Iron Man
Silver Surfer
Bucky O'Hare and the Toad Wars
Men in Black: The Animated Series
The Adventures of Sam & Max: Freelance Police
I heard about the Maxx. Was that any good?
Also, the 90s also gave birth to Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs. Admittedly, some of the references do date both shows terribly, but some of the jokes still land on their feet....Animaniacs more so than TTA, but I'm a bit biased.
Plus shows like DuckTales, DarkWing Duck, Tail Spin, and Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers. What a great time period for some Saturday morning cartoon watching.
What about The Punisher?
The Maxx is very good definately worth checking out.
@@danniheggie9956 I got two volumes of the omnibus. And I’ve a lot of the 1980s Punisher comics. I really enjoyed the Holy War comic involving Punisher hunting down a murderer who turns his murder victims into statues and wax figures.
You were not a cool kid in 1992 unless you went to Pizza Hut and played the X-Men arcade game!
I wouldn't know enough about then.......I was only 12 months old at the time.
Nightcrawler could teleport so he was my dude
Facts. 😊
Colossus: OOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Wait, what?? My ultra limited edition silver foiled hard cover Silver Surfer isn't worth shit?????? Noooooooooooooooooooooooo..........
Tell ya what: I'll give you this really shiny new dime I got from the bank for your not quite as shiny comic there. That should be about fair, yeah? :^)
Yeah...but it's still pretty cool
Search your feelings, you know it to be true!
It's the 2nd print that people want. It's the harder to find version.
GREAT video!
Hey! As having two broken feet, I like Liefeld's artistic take on legs.
Just not his opinion on Captain America's breast size. I mean, Power Girl would be jealous.
Only anime chicks have any hope to compete with him.
@@Enchie Damn.
@@Enchie Not even majority of them can compete with him, just a few handful can.
90s video games were lit though.
Chrono Trigger/Initial release date
March 11, 1995
Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake, Starcraft, C&C, Thief, Raptor, Einhander, and that's just right off the top of my head. Late 80s through early 00s were magical for video games. Lots of crap, sure, but plenty of titles that still get new players today, enjoying them without even the haze of nostalgia.
I will never understand the 90s JRPG wankfest. I can only assume it's because babi's raised exclusively on consoles didn't know what an RPG was until they played that overrated tripe.
The best CRPGs were released in the 90s as well
Amen.
... compared to what's happening in mainstream comics today the 90's were genius.
I don't entirely agree, but I'd take everything that's maligned about 90s comics over today's trends. Of course, a lot of that 90s stuff from the likes of Image was rebellion against a similar self-important preachy attitude from overpaid comics writers _before_ then. The investment market balloon and Marvel's shenanigans overshadow that a lot of 90s superhero comics were just trying to be fun and _cool._
+@@crimsonmask3819 Fun and cool was basically the cream of the crop for 90s and 2000s media. At least from my experience.
Genuine Weeb I don’t see how that’s bad. Japan did the same with anime in the 90s and (while they had random shit) at the same time it gave us the greatest.
Read manga instead, its like comics if comics were any good
As a kid in the early 90's I never cared about what they were worth, only if they entertained me.
I ended up reading Dragon Ball, Black Cat, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Rave, in college. (Guilty pleasure, Midnight Secretary, exists. Have fun with both.)
I agree these 90s series are better than current comic stories.
Black cat still is my favorite anime character!
Comic book stores are like strip joints, you can smell the desperation and regret as soon as you open the door.
At least in strip joints a solitary one dollar bill can actually get you something.
And soy...
Last time I was this early, Steve Ditko was writing objectivist heroes.
?
Too soon, man… 😢
Gonna miss that man
Mr A
Screw you. Mr A was how we got The Question (also an Objectivist hero before they feminized him via a BS murder arc resulting in Renee Montoya replacing him)
Meanwhile, Ethan Van Sciver and Doug TenNapel raised nearly 2 million between them reviving their 90's properties
Oof.
They might have started in the 90's but those guys weren't in the 90's hit.
@@alejandrocisneros7442 well, Earthworm Jim was popular in the 90's. And while Cyberfrog was not considered a "hit" comic in the 90's, it sold something like 80,000 copies, which today would be like a top 10 comic, lol
Van Sciver's success with Cyberfrog was more to do with milking a well-tended TH-cam cash cow, and Doug Tennaple is very fortunate that he got the Earthworm Jim IP back after creating it as work for hire, but also reaping the benefits of a lot of work done building EJ up as a brand apart from his contributions; not to mention it was only known as a video game and cartoon property originally.
If you think nostalgia for the 90's is bad, then just wait for nostalgia for the early 2000s
Edit: Okay, let me rephrase what I said. I beleice that there are many good things from the 2000s but there is an equal amount of shit. For every Halo there was another god damn Call Of Duty sequel. For every Transformers Animated there was Revenge of the Fallen. And you may not like to think about it but people will be nostalgic for something awful (look at my icon and username for god's sake) So there were great things in the 2000s but there are many awful things among with them
.........oh...shit.........
I was born in 2000 and I'm experiencing this full force. I'm just going to say this: 2000s games and cartoons >>> 90s games and cartoons.
the early 2000s were okay in my opinion
- Avatar The Last Airbender (if you are into anime)
- Star Wars Clone Wars
- Ben 10 (if you are a 13 year old kid you will enjoy it)
@@comicsans1689 late '90s/early 2000s Vidya was extremely innovative and awesome. Soul Reaver, Omikron: the nomad soul were crazy ambitious in their storytelling. Thief 1 & 2 set trends for stealth/action Games for the next 20 years. I could go on
@Stan Dandyliver Agreed. I personally like the 6th generation of games the best because you had so many great games on every platform (Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, and PC). The best CRPGs also came out in the early 2000s, and I'm saddened that they moved away from that with the 7th generation.
I'll take 90s comics over anything Marvel/DC is putting out today....
Same
That video of Stan Lee, Rob Liefeld, and Todd McFarlane is pure gold. Stan is ripping them apart in the nicest way possible.
How?
The coolist thing about 90's comics was probably Comix Zone
Comix Zone is timeless.
One of my all time favorite games.
Collect only pre-90's, if you can get away with it. 90's comics are about as rare as a drive-by shooting in South Chicago.
And some smaller companies from the 90s like Valiant you can get away with collecting since they have enough rarity to warrant a semi decent price tag.
Also about as good as said drive-by shooting.
Early 2000s comics are pretty good imo. Writers were trying to clean up after the 90s shitshow.
Gotta admit, I still love those 90's Marvel and Image Swimsuit Editions...
Who dosent?
Modern day classics
Hell yeah!!!! Pity kids don’t get that kind of fun stuff these days.
Thank you feminist cunts.
SJW entertainment makes bad movies, games, comics retroactively good
That and the rose-tinted glasses of the tricenarian crowd who grew up in the early 90s.
That, and just because something is bad doesn’t mean it’s unenjoyable.
@@PlanetJohnny I grew up then, don't have the nostalgia for comics, didn't read much of them but I do miss those days. Was more simpler
You have a Bojack avatar, which is the pinnacle of "SJW" entertainment
@@venh8381 But it isn't, SJW can't write good tragic characters
And yet Rob Liefeld's work is leagues ahead of what we have now, with that psuedo-anime Tumblr art.
Visually, no it's really not.
Lol, no. Liefeld was and still is garbage. Comparing garbage with other garbage will still make it garbage.
@The Law How the heck is Liefeld a ''breath of fresh air''? Are you stuck in the 90's or have been living under a rock? There's a ton of artist right fucking now who're LEAGUES better than Liefeld. Chris Samnee, Jorge Jimenez, Sean Murphy, Dexter Soy, Nicola Scott, Sana Takeda, and many more blow Liefeld out of the water.
@@rodney2x48 your goldfish is garbage
leifeid is better than the goldfish.
"Bad as it is," says the creator of Fin Fang Foom. God bless Stan Lee.
@Applemain main That sounds like a "Deep Joke"
@Applemain main Or Night Cat. Granted, that was a collaborative effort, but still.
@Applemain main Hey, there's nothing wrong with an animate Pam Anderson fighting baddies with her trusty twins providing cleavage only Power Girl could rival.
To be fair, 3-4 dollars would be about 300% what I paid for most of them so...
*STONKS*
factor inflation into the mix and that goes down quite a bit. in fact it probably breaks even.
Variant covers. I f****** hate variant covers.
Yes, got to love when the variant covers have nothing to with the story.
Yeah, I got sucked in by the 5 to 6 variant covers for the Infinity Gauntlet series .
Now with scans they're basically pointless unless you enjoy collecting holofoil stapled paper.
It’s because of variant covers that Marvel keeps putting a new #1 on the top 10 every time. I hate that shit. They have a good Hulk comic beating Batman recently, and they just keep doubling down on fucking variants. The Black Cat book was terrible, but it was #1 last month BECAUSE of variants.
I only hate the ones that suck and the ones that are awesome but attached to shitty comics.
It always blows my mind how many collectors don't understand that supply and demand is the sole determining factor of value for more or less everything. They'll buy comics, cards, toys, etc on the belief that they'll be valuable "some day" for no other reason than "they're collectibles"
SciFi Debris: [releases meticulously researched multi-part documentary several hours long detailing all the events leading up to and the fallout of the speculator boom and the comics bubble bursting]
RazorFist:
Its been sometime since I last watched a video of his. The last one I watched was about the 1989 Doctor Who cancellation, did he actually made a video about the comicbook dork age?
90s delivered when it came to pro wrestling, hip hop and JRPGs...that’s about all I got.
Stan Lee: "It's very impressive ... bad as it is ..." XD
I bet they were too young/dumb/fullofcum to pick up on hint of sarcasm form Stan at the time. Bet Rob, to this day, still doesn't LOL
He was Stan The Man definitely.
I remember my cousins saving their money up to buy all these "special editions" thinking they were going to make a small fortune by the time we were in High School. Makes me glad I only really got into Dark Horse comics. 90's Aliens and Predator comics (and the crossovers) kicked ungodly amounts of ass.
Dude I got autism-
Please continue the jokes it makes me feel normal!
Oh hey, another one. Asperger's here.
Still struggle with abstract concepts every now and then.
But it's slower learning, not no learning. So steady exposure will have me catch up eventually.
Joyful Dude thank you for being this up. I'm tired of hearing this. People who use autistic as a metaphor for stupid don't have the balls to say the word retarded anymore.
do yall like sarcasm. my boy hates that shit. he is like a china man. his best laugh came from stewie beatingnthenshit out of brian " wheres my money man"
he gets pissed when i make normal jokes.
owen benjamins a jew and a chinaman is how i refer his sense of humor.
no jokes. just ladys falling down stairs and guys getting hit in the balls.
I don't get the autism jokes, because they don't seem to be about autism. Yeah.... I'm autistic, high functioning.
@@Chayliss If its done well sure, I use sarcasm quite a lot, probably too much tbh. People really don't have any clue what high functioning autism is like and this is mainly due to the fact that we struggle to explain it. We process things differently but we generally arrive at the same end point as anybody else, so if its funny we will generally laugh. Some things trip us up though like social ques and non verbal stuff along with the abstract, but exposing ourselves to people, groups and certain abstract ideas tends to help over time. It really hasn't hindered my life at all, I would be tempted to says its actually been a net benefit in my life.
Also I hate to be that guy, but LSD really helped me realize something and that was simply the fact that everyone has some weird shit going on in their head. Once I realized that I was off and running.
I do have the entire 50-issue run of Darkhawk. That's my 90's guilty pleasure, I hate to admit.
Thanks Razorfist for putting together another great video. You put several events in perspective. I used to refer to the 1990's as the decade of "vamps and re-vamps".
Nobody get him started on the CURRENT state of comics!
I remember this era so well as I was working in a chain bookstore that was leasing good floor space to this phenomenon...and some of the younger guys told me these comics were as valuable as fine art. Yeah, they compared the value (future value) to Monet. The Special Editions, foil wraps etc and how you had to keep them in the original cellophane. I wonder if any of them still have their collections. Then came the anime/manga craze...
Some 90s comics were great imho. Liefeld's ridiculousness could not speak for the entire generation.
I hated the 90s while I lived through them but after the first 2 decades of this millenia I would give anything to go back to the 90s.
I just realized my nostalgia for 90's comics was less about the books and more about my childhood. I don't care or remember what story i was reading. I remember careless summer days riding my bike to the park at the end of my street, fishing coins out of the fountain and going to spend them at the comic store around the corner. And then going back to the park to read them in the grass with my buddy next door
I liked turok and gen13. Helped me get through a lot of tough times growing up. Which in itself is priceless.
OMG that era of Daredevil is sooooo painful.
Isn't it, though?
No wonder every chose too Forget it like the Waid Run :P P.S. this was the 1st I ever heard of that Story-line still wished I hadn't :P
The DeFalco run on Fantastic Four was the ultimate indignation.
@@neugeyWhich issues are those? What was the storyline?
My 2 cents :
1. I don't think people actually love 90's comics, but the stuff that comes out today is so shitty that they look good in comparison. 90's comic barely had a plot and were style over substance. Contemporary comics give you social justice lessons in addition to shitty writing, have boring tumblr art instead of batshit insane (and occasionnally badly-drawn) splash pages, and the creators actively hate the readers' guts.
2. Defending the Big Two and a Half's 90's comics is a good way for comic-book TH-cam channels to get some views by choosing a mild enough contrarian opinion, and most comic casuals don't know the 90s stuff.
3. I unironically love 90's X-Treme grimdark comics. Bombastic art, guns, tits, violence, cyborgs and ninjas fucking everywhere. Metal as fuck. I even love Image stuff like Spawn, WildC.A.T.s, Cyberforce and Prophet. Yes the plots were shit, the art was overblown, yes my taste is shit for liking it it, I know. But to start collecting comics, they were great because they were cheap, plentiful and cool as fuck when I was a penniless teenager a decade ago.
"Metal as fuck" indeed.
You bastard. This hurts. I too loved Jim Lee and the 90s X-Men. And Rogue and Bishop and the boysenberry pie. And the foil covers. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
*hugs comic card binder*
@The Bandog> This is true. BTW you should check out ebay for 90's comics. The pricing is all over the place, same comic can range from a few bucks to ridiculously overpriced.
Yeah, the whole wave of mass buying was a hilarious example of how basic economics isn't widely understood. If you flood the market with a product, the value of said product drops. The Rules of Acquisition should be mandatory education for every child at the age of 6.
I like 90's comics, don't get me wrong. Not enough that I think they're worth anything but a read lol.
Korri Galbraith For sure. I loved them.
Korri Galbraith so true, back in the late 90s early 2000s a damn cheap read, with a few gems of good series that either went on too long or were just mediocre from the get go. I used to buy them in bulk, get all the good ones worth reading them give them in huge stacks as presents for my younger cousins. It’s a garbage pile with some gems to be found.
ive always had a soft spot for the EXTREME 90's comic artstyle
Random bandages, asymmetrical outfits, bandoliers galore, ahhh
X-TREEEEEAAAAAAAAAM!
@@christopherkelley1664 Don't forget the pouches!
Obviously, #notall. Independent artists had a good run in the 90's.
I was born in 2001 and I really got to see the irrelevance of comics. I genuinely can’t name a single one of my peers that got into comics before the past 5 years. For most of us, our introduction into superheroes and comic books were the Sam Rami Spider-Man movies and the first MCU movies
I think part of the reason the Moon Knight and Marvel Occult comics from the era like Blade and Ghost Rider are so good is expressly because mainstream management ignored that stuff.
@Joseph McKeever ....Take another look, the managment didn't ignore Moon Knight in the 90's. During the mid 90's, Moon Knight got Rob Liefield with his giant belt buckle and eye bleeding comic art.
The only 90's Moon Knight comics worth reading include: Scarlet Redemption, The Doug Moench 1999 to 2001 mini series, and (debatablily) Trials of Marc Spector.
@@RamsTheNameCom It wasn't Rob Liefeld, it was Stephen Platt. The dude went on to work on Prophet after MK. Also, the early Mark Spector : Moon Knight comics were great.
@@RamsTheNameCom I suppose its true they got talent, but I don't think they had any expectation of mainstream success. Just look at when they tried to force Moon Knight into the mainstream Avengers or when Bendis ignored all existent canon without cause and made his multiple personalities different superheroes. When you try to make the acquired taste a popular one it doesn't work, and in a time period of extreme blandness acquired tastes become the good stuff.
@@RuneKnight3 Michael Bendis was also the one who invented Moon Knight's Multiple Personality Disorder back in 2005's Ultimate Spiderman (like Black Nick Fury, the current Moon Knight is a weird amalgamation of Ultimate and 616).
2006's Charlie Huston Moon Knight was the last to NOT give Moon Knight multiple personality disorder. Jake, Steven, and (lesser known) Ian were all just his disguises in order to get info as well as hide Marc Spector from the CIA/various terrorist groups.
@@RamsTheNameCom That was not a Bendis 'invention'. Moon Knight was always crazy.
RIP Stan the Man We need at least a million f's in the chat for the dead hero. Only guy in the whole industry that ever gave a shit about the fans.
The darkness comics were great and they were 90s.
The Darkness, Witchblade and Magdelena! Those stories were awesome.
There are some 90's comics that have gone up in price greatly in recent years. Obvious ones being Harley Quinn's first appearance, as well as anything Venom and Carnage related. I bought Batman Adventures 12 (first Harley comic appearance) in a dollar bin back in 2001, then sold it 3 years ago for $350.
well ill say this as a slight rebuttal: My first X-men comic was early 90s (like 91 or so) and Forge proposed to Storm (Uncanny X-men, force kissing storm on the cover)... and then runs out on her AND the x-men the very next issue. I dont think ANY comic today would or could ever show something that fucked up.
Also, I had an X-men comic from around the mid-90s where a telepath was working with sabertooth to find things about each beaten down x-man (they were all knocked out), where it is shown that Cyclops cheated on Jean Grey with Psylocke. Doubt anyone would ever dare write something like that nowadays.
Yes I can say you seem right
No, nowadays they show Cyclops having the hots for Wolverine (or vice versa. Either way)
And Forge would run out on storm to be with Bishop or something.
90s was realistic. These days it’s just messed up.
My dad had the digest version of the death of Superman stuffed in a shelf somewhere.He wasn't a collector he probably picked it up at a truck stop for a read
"90s are not worthy of your nostalgia"
VINTAGE RAZORFIST FROM 2012
90s comics were amazing! They were fun to read, over the top, and pleasing to the eye.
Razorfist needs to show off his comic collection
It’s so interesting how we can use the concepts of comics and trading cards to teach economics specifically inflation. As well as history and how life was lived back then.
Haha, I still have my copy of that Turok comic that I got after playing the game as a kid. I had no idea that it was such a powerful artifact and destroyer of comic shops.
P.s. The Maxx is awesome.
It's not really a bad read, but one million copies sold? A thousand to 1 variant?
As an old Valiant fan (collected it back then), this is just nuts to me.
I honestly guessed that you got the Death of Superman Comic at a garage sale. You know, one of those “Buy 1 get 18 for 25 cents” kinda things.
I'd buy *Offbrand 90's Comics* but I would never buy regular comics
Eclipse's MiracleMan #1. - German man kills puppy with rock, transforms to Ubermencsh, flies through terrain including the ground itself, blows up a person, crushes a man's throat, picks up an old dude, drags him in to the atmosphere and throws him down to become a meteorite.
Leave it to the anime profile pic to work a hentai reference in. Good man.
Lassi Kinnunen you just gave me winter war meme flashbacks
so you got Malibu and Top Cow comics?
So.. stuff like Heckdude, and Uberman rather than Hellboy and Superman?
Hell, some time ago when searching for new reading material at my local comics purveyor, I stumbled upon not one, but two copies of the 1st issue of Deadpool’s first miniseries. Both were available for about less than $16. Get a clue comic book industry!
I liked a lot of 90s comics because I think that they had decent stories, but I agree with you that they shouldn't be reappraised... they're not worth it. The Comic companies made a lot of bad decisions that drove them down and they deserve to fade off into the sunset.
Nothing thats advertises itself as a collectors item will ever be a collectors item
Spawn was the only comic that interested me as a kid. Cant wait for McFarlane's new movie.
@Logan Waltz That is a horrific critique that took me literally over a decade of my life to finally admit is true.
Still collect Spawn to this day and confuse or piss people off when I say he is my favorite super hero.
That movie will never be made. McFarlane has been talking that shit for over 15 years....
The best thing to come out of Spawn was the Iced Earth album.
@Slak Kap Michael Jai White is always good.
As a big fan of Ghost Rider, the 90s was a pretty good time for the character. I mean, even with the unnecessary crossovers with other characters, of which there were many, a bunch of random new lore came about because of new stories with a new Ghost Rider. There was even three or four Ghost Rider related comics for a time. Then, after Vengeance held the mantle of Ghost Rider for four issues, he pretty much took over Marvel Comics Presents. The only points of contention I can think of for 90s Ghost Rider is when they had him go manga-ish for a few issues and when the final issue wasn't released. The good news is it finally was released in the mid-2000s along with the previous issue.
the 90s weren't as great as people would like to remember
Loved some of the gags - made me laugh out loud at times :). A very accurate video with equally accurate and cutting comments by Stan. Stan knew how to make good comics that would sell. After he left the writing duties around '72 things went downhill and rarely came up again. For me anyway.
Friendly reminder that much like the US auto market in the 70's and 80's, the US comic market is getting it's ass handed to it by the Japanese manga market.
Japan hasn't embraced the cancer that is the intersectionality into its media.
mfchimichanga any recommendations? All I’ve read are Goblin Slayer and Shield Hero. Preferably low to zero fan service.
@@Sellipsis Have a look at the Fate/Stay Night series. More Visual novels and Anime, but utterly fantastic.
Japan panders to waifu culture, and all the soy basement dwellers in america and japan eat that shit up. That's the reason it's so booming. Hell, the only reason anyone even acknowledges Spider-Gwen or any of that shit is R34.
Financial success =/= quality, as the X-men reboot and shit like SAO are a testament to.
Webweasel already watched UBW (was actually just watching the abridged) and Zero so nothing really more to add there.
As for Asectic, I’m all for good shounen manga but if you have anything in scifi or fantasy that’s not obvious I’d probably be interested. I would love to become a real fan of a mecha sometime. I love shows like Grimgar, Bebop, Steins Gate, and even surprised myself into loving Oregairu lately. So I guess I’m kind of flexible in that regard.
Late 80s and early 90s comics were great with the British Invasion - Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison and Peter Milligan stretched the limits of convention.
Omg I've been saying this for almost 30 years. I lost my business at the time because I refused to participate in the speculation and the only thing people were buying were speculation books. Couldn't sell silver age to save my life
The grand irony being if you had managed to hang on you would have probably made a killing with people returning to their senses and buying the good stuff again.
I'm curious... Did you have any control over how much of the speculation supply you could buy or did suppliers demand you buy in massive quantities?
That’s how nostalgia works. People latch on to whatever mediocrity was around when their balls dropped and decide 20-30 years later and decide it must’ve been important Art.
Will to tell you the truth american let me tell you the origin of the concept of nostalgia and that word had a very different meaning then we know today the term nostalgia was coined in 1688 by Johannes Hofer (1669-1752) in his dissertation in Basel. The word nostalgia was compound of the ancient Greek words nostos (return home) and algia (longing). Hofer introduced nostalgia or mal du pays "homesickness" for the condition also known as mal du Suisse "Swiss illness", because of its frequent occurrence in Swiss mercenaries who in the plains of Switzerland were pining for their landscapes. Symptoms were also thought to include fainting, high fever, and death.
English homesickness is a loan translation of nostalgia. Sir Joseph Banks used the word in his journal during the first voyage of Captain Cook. On 3 September 1770 he stated that the sailors "were now pretty far gone with the longing for home which the Physicians have gone so far as to esteem a disease under the name of Nostalgia", but his journal was not published in his lifetime. Cases resulting in death were known and soldiers were sometimes successfully treated by being discharged and sent home. Receiving a diagnosis was, however, generally regarded as an insult.
In the eighteenth century, scientists were looking for a locus of nostalgia, a nostalgic bone. By the 1850s nostalgia was losing its status as a particular disease and coming to be seen rather as a symptom or stage of a pathological process. It was considered as a form of melancholia and a predisposing condition among suicides. Nostalgia was, however, still diagnosed among soldiers as late as the American Civil War. By the 1870s interest in nostalgia as a medical category had almost completely vanished. Nostalgia was still being recognized in both the First and Second World Wars, especially by the American armed forces. Great lengths were taken to study and understand the condition to stem the tide of troops leaving the front in droves
I worked at a comic shop in the early 90’s and I totally agree w/ your rant.
I had to stop collecting and the owner of the shop lost it! He started leaving messages on my phone saying I owed him money on comics I never even took possession of! I thought he was going to send somebody out to break my thumbs.
I really enjoyed the punisher comics from the 90's... That was about it
I don't care what you say RAZOR, I loved 90s comics. I enjoyed them unironically without the slightest care of the economics and business decisions.
Why does everyone say that? What is with this "unironically" bullshit? You can just say you enjoy something. It's not ironic to like something. If you liked it then you liked it. Just say that. Jesus, everyone and their obsession with the word "irony".
Here’s your sad truth Razor, as current comics tank 90 comics will continue to appreciate. Whether merited or not.
Four years in the future checking in, shits not gotten better. The Darkest Knight ate doctor manhattans brain and now nothing makes sense.
90's Cyberfrog was good fun though, read them recently off a dodgy site. If Ethan ever reprints them I'll be happy to snap them up.
Man, I remember all those foil covers and "collector's editions", even still have a few. I will say, I really enjoyed the story lines Image Comics. My favs were The Savage Dragon, The Maxx, and Shadowhawk.
The last good “comic books” was Epic Illustrated. Real stories real art. 1980 on.
I read that series it was great marvel doing thier own take on the heavy metal magazine formula was super cool.
The comics from the 90's are now like the Star Wars prequels: we appreciate them more, but at the same time we know why they suck and accept it.
Both the Prequel Trilogy and the '90s comics share nothing in common with one another, nor do they correlate with each other. The Prequels were always good movies (too bad the butthurt MSM and online (narcissistic) reviewers (including RLM) try to spin it into a grand-standing BS narrative that the Prequels were "always bad," when it's not the case); the majority of '90s comics, though? Oh boy... 😬
Death of Superman and the Batman where Bane breaks his back are cool. The rest is straight garbage. It got too "extreme" and too gritty. But damn, do I love those Jim Lee X-Men costumes.
Back when Rogue was still a heroine instead of a villain? Yeah, those were the days.
There are pretty good classic storylines for Superman and Batman and the X-men in the 90s which is more than I can say for a lot of other heroes who haven’t had iconic good runs in decades.
Dude the 90's were WAY better than the mid Mid late 2000's early 10's.