The Difference Between GOOD and BAD Teamfighting as ADC
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Skillcapped: Is this good or bad? Jinx with 300 cs at 30 minutes, everyone else having similar farm
Lmao I didn’t even notice that. My silver ass couldn’t rlly tell what the mistakes were a lot of the time
@@huntermonroe347 HA I'm barely bronze... granted I've played for like 107 hours, so the best I'm trying hard not to do is feed. The rest of this is still slightly above my head, lol
@@Terecxx the rest doesn't matter that much tbh. If you focus on not dying and just looking around the map, you'll be plat really fast. after that you can think about macro imo
As an adc, its kinda normal with that cs... cuz in higher elo u can take cs and camps legit.... well some of the time... (but if u steal the camps all they can do is ping you...)
Ye realized its challenger only by looking at the cs
What I got from this was that clearly I don't have the game knowledge to know who's good and who's not
Was very surprised the Jinx was a good adc before seeing the actual play. When you paused and I saw 62 kills in 34 minutes, I was expecting a low elo aram fest.
The scoreboard let us know Jinx had 10 CS/min, so that one was pretty obvious actually
I thought they were a bad adc too because they took the long path away from the fight, until they ran the play back and I noticed the ward in the raptor bush and that the front had changed. He changed paths to go into a safe location and fought what was in front of him. Good reflexes and mechanics made the difference against the Lee
@@mintegral1719 I did see that and went "wait I'm stupid that's definitely a good player" lmao
Same. Super minions had mid and top is pushing in. Why was everyone mid. Yes baron but why weren't they playing around top. Plus the kaisa video I think she was doing great leveraging her lead. To me 3 plays could have happened. 1st All could go baron and enemy team steals baron by random zyra ability. 2nd thay all could have just gone mid and end. 3rd why not both. If she didn't misplay with corki she would have been mvp while I watch higher elo playing correct when behind. I think I rather take the gold play any day. Dont forget if the yi was fed as well he could solo baron.
Yea good players just exactly know when they should play aggressive going on the jax that was cosplaying helicopter and when to play defensive going in redbuff pit instead of letting lee sin jump on him from baron pit... when to play aggressive and when to play defensive. Dopa or someone i forgot said there is no too defensive playstyle or too offensive playstyle there is just the right play or the wrong play. Was Very important for my brain to understand lego legandos a little more.
why am i watching jhin pirouette twice in slo mo to absolutely obliterate a caster minion 4:12
She was a fairy 🧚🏼🧚🏼
Pros: not playing around vision is bad
My team: places 4 wards in the same river brush after panic of invade and still giving up first blood.
Also my team: ends game with a vision score of 2, placing only 1 ward all game.
had seen leona end game with vision score of 0 with 0 ward placed :/
The game is remarkably easier when even one other player on your team buys control wards. I've had games where a control wards I place in one of the pixel brushes lasts the entire game. In the rare case another player on my team buys one for a tribrush or the opposite pixel brush the game gets so much easier to solve.
@@secretlyaslug2325 Oh yeah i was in that game, not only did my team waste all 4 wards in the beginning, they also walked past your teams control ward all game as if it was never there :(
Sounds like bronze or silver, just play Twitch and farm all game until u have two items.
@@secretlyaslug2325 yeah, in low elo games the pink ward I put in river bush stays there for 10+ mins. Higher the elo faster it gets broken. But it doesn't matter since in low elo even if my mid sees the jungle with the vision I enabled he dies to gank anyway but high level mids will survive thanks to the 75 gold I spend in the beginning
The second clip was easy caus there is no way a low elo player would have 10cs per minute overall let alone at 34mins
The name of the Kaisa though
Awesome video - as a support main, this was super helpful and informative to keep in mind when peeling or healing my adc, and to improve my pings in case they don't know what they are doing 😉
As an ADC main, I must say: you, sir, are appreciated and a rockstar
Great video ! Most of low elo players doesn't realize how such BIG details are game changer..
Nice !
I have noticed bad ADCs have really good memory atleast, when they fck up and int, flashing into tower 1v2 dying or w/e they can bring up a random Q you missed 5 ago and start talking about that instead.
It's typical of duo lanes, where the one blame the other one :D
Good vid. Not sure what the dings were, but they were very loud during the Caitlin analysis
It was letting you know when you were supposed to recognize a good play he did
"She did have plenty of time to see Corki's package angle and react appropriately."
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I appreciate this video, I am a high plat player and I can consistently win the early game but I struggle a lot during the mid game, specifically 5v5 team fights
Points out lethality lee sin and vision
I had guessed it was a high elo adc just based on 333 cs in 34 minutes...shit
3:42 Well, Seraphine has a higher auto-attack range with notes stacked, if we're counting only specific scenarios for a champion.. :) more of a technicality, though. hehe
Also Senna with stacks
"So is Fcuk Me Pls Kai'sa a high elo or low elo ADC?" 🤔🤔
Low elo adc
This is pretty damn good as a guide, P1 (Placements) player rn i do follow most of them but sometimes i just turn my brain off sometimes, is good to see this guides and remember what is the correct thing to do instead of just do what you have been doing all the time (Since i started playing there wasn't guides this good or in-depth) most players in high elo, that are old school, just play the way they learned but don't know why is the best way
A lot of these guides give out misinformation or curve the narrative in their favor so that they are always right and still end up not giving out all the information. Some coaches out there do the same thing so clients will pay big money.
@@twistedfireking1845 Well you're half wrong, they do give useful information and it is *right* I'm a D1 player and this guides do help a lot but you can't just do everything exactly the same they tell you to do, you have to interprete the information and know when you're able to use it and when you can use something else, there is not a 100% right answer in a strategy game and never will be
@@SoraNeet Not gonna lie that was a good attempt. In order to make something work and for people to understand you must give out all the information and not part of it to fit what you are trying to say so you seem like you know everything cause like me who understands the game I can spot what's missing and know that not all the information is here.
@@twistedfireking1845 you've asserted that their information is incomplete and that you have all the answers. Please list examples of them leaving information out of this video.
@@lenglonr6198 Are you sure you can handle it? Ill give you a taste, Kaisa pathed down from Corki W cause if she pathed up Corki could knock her back and give him advantage but pathing down she misses that knock back entirely while Corki is in her minion wave taking lost of damage plus her own including the distance for potential outplay which cannot do on top of each other.
Yeah, ADCs say the "ADC in [year]" thing! haha, very funny, looking forward to the "Top who claims all his team is 1/3529" joke next!
Hope you're ready for; *"Squishy champion outplayed by a mage pressing R"*
does someknow know if the guy who played the game streams on twitch or somethin?
@@shikikankillzone4239 I wasn't ready for it, but I mean, he deserves it because he didn't build defense! Should have kited that point-and-click ability away :)
@@pax1913 Point and click or targeted abilities have a small range so if you’re an Adc, all you have to do is position yourself outside of that range. It’s not just adcs either, I see a lot of graves, kindred, karthus, akshan, etc. Players who go jungle, top, or mid and lose the easiest matchup’s because they’re awful at spacing. The big upside to those champions is your ranged abilities and auto attacks but people don’t try to Kite until the enemies already in range to attack them.
@@coasterthekid8867 you almost got the sarcasm
I was literally mad over losing a game becuz of my bad positioning and target picking as a nocturne. And this clip just pops out lol.
Did not watch yet, but I know the concept about to be discussed and know it applies to my case as well.
Vs nocturne on any squishy champ you need to be with your team permanently grouped. I know it's cancer but he's really outdated and super cheesy, so don't int into his r if you can help it
@@biggiecheese2004 Hopefully he wins the vote for the chamo update
@@CrystallizedBlackSkull he won't shyv needs it way more
When should we use predator on Jhin?
these ding noises were way louder than the rest of the video, and so abrupt and aggressive that they practically turned my brain off
5:22 "alright this one may have been a bit trickier"
I just wanna know who didn't guess that this is high elo by just seeing everyone having almost 10cs/m
how is that even hard to tell-
i coudl tell by the pings alone in the first frame :P
you know jinx is high elo when you see that lee sin glide like that
And when you see 10cs/min at 34 mins
Used to get asked if I played lol a lot and always wondered why, welp now I know
4:23 I DIDNT EXPECT THAT ENDING
That ruler trap play was 500 iq WTF
The bell sound effect was so loud....
How to win as ADC in 2022. Be 3 elos above ur opponents. And even then u still may not win
League is very nuanced and these videos can be misleading. Look at the jinx clip for example. She had a great Frontline, a thresh with over 75% kpa, an 11/6 Irelia trashing enemy, so she's ABLE to lose dps and take a long route around. In low elo you do that, your team dies and you get flamed. These things work only if you have a "team" hence why adc is weakest role.
Also that last clip was Hella Caitlin dependent. She has 650 attack range. No other adc is gonna challenge a talon like that lol same for trying to trap combo jhin without vision.
I like the videos but come on let's not pretend lol.
@@skylerfreeman1173 I'll agree to this somewhat. I do think adc has impact on these things in the dumbest of ways, and most of it comes from laning phase decisions in the first 5 or so minutes even. Like, lets say you trade at a bad moment and then have to take a bad back timer, and then dragon spawns while you're resetting and your team decides to run it down for dragon in a 5v4 fight because you chose to fight 2 and a half minutes before that in laning phase and lost the dragon fight then as well as the waves from the bad back timer. Maybe your own jungler or support even baited you into taking that bad fight and you felt compelled to help and you're reading chat for them flaming you for not "fighting" with them and all this crap. I think adc role is the best to mute in, and jungle role is the second best role to mute everyone in. You must stand strong in your decisions and make sure you're smarter than everyone else regardless of what they want to do. You play the coinflips as strongly as you can and then play smarter once you learn to first make those tiny leads. That's when I think you unlock "playing slow" like this Jinx was able to. She must've had a good laning phase first.
we need context for some of these did the jinx end the game? because they got 2 kills and they pushed the mid wave which you said was a bad thing kai'sa did in the first clip. However with kai'sa yummi bascially 2v4ing everyone how is the right play not to end there?
1st game the correct play was to go mid and end, kaisa's team had a big enough lead to end with tahm. Tahm trolled it by going nash, kaisa probably shoulda gone nash aswell since tahm trolled the play in the first place
I feel like we were missing a good adc playing a teamfight where he is also actually able to auto attack more than twice :D
Also I understand Ruler could only try to salvage a really bad situation but why try to surprise the Jhin when he literally takes himself out by walking around the bottom. I feel like Ruler couldve just walked to the top of the river bush one shotting the Gragas together with jayce and Lux while Jhin is just compeletly useless walking to mid. Maybe im missing something.
Actually that would have been kind of difficult because he was still revealed by ignite for a while. That makes more sense now
@@skipp3252no ignite ran off he had all the time to dps gragas in a 2v1 scenario and the focus jhin or disengage since they didnt have vision on ruler. But ofc we are all humans and we all make mistakes
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So funny that the first clip you show of kaisa doesnt look any different from d2 on EUW. I guess since master got devalued so much, diamond is worth pisslow.
Do you guys have a coach that can take me from Diamond to Challenger?
i spit my drink out when you said twitch thinks he is a melee champion
Adcs are quite powerful, but sometimes, they got it hard. How are you supposed to peel for the adc vs kassa who got ahead? :D
6:40 more looks like he was acting on autopilot lmao i would do the same thing
1:30 Kaisas name lmaooo
When you win lane 5/0 but the 16/2 shaco decides to pop your cherry like an altar boy every time you make the horrible decision of leaving your fountain
Don’t know what planet ur living on lmao
@@notsoslick earth, it‘s quite nice
You and your team need to position in a way if Shaco try or succed at killing you, you get something back (like oneshotting him just after you got killed). Or even put yourself in a situation where that can't happen if possible.
0:47 I’m gonna be honest I thought that this meant that you were gonna give away a membership if we got the scenarios right so I was deadass taking notes and writing all that down the entire video but I realized what you actually meant :(
For the ruler gameplay...it really seems like Jayce isn't doing literally anything the entire time either. Just watches dragons Health and does two abilities to secure the kill on pyke at the end.
Watching that kaisa pushing mid solo(yuumi as buff) made me screaming at the screen
"Back up! Back up! Back up! BACK UP YOU IDIOT!!"
Damn this was a goodd video, I didn't know how muhc I was missing and I dont even play ADC
You think this is a good video cause you don't fully understand the game but the person curved the narrative in their favor so they seem right and know what they are talking about. There is a lot of misinformation given in this video.
@@twistedfireking1845 could you give some examples that actually illustrate that
@@TSSPDarkStar Within the first 40 seconds about the adc positioning. An adc can be positioned perfectly and attacking the right target(s) but if someone on your team makes a mistake or lets someone in the back line then there is nothing you can do about it which this person does not explain in the video.
@@twistedfireking1845 Pretty sure they DO say I think repeatedly in the video that there times where if your team misplays hard enough you literally can't win a fight, they even go into depth at how that can happen at that dragon fight. They specifically say the ADC played it as basically as well as they could have but their team made it lost.
I don't think that's a good example so is there any other that you think is misinformation?
@@TSSPDarkStar They actually rarely say it at all. Plus every example was in hindsight with mistakes/misinformation. At the start of the video they literally said and I quote "If you are not succeeding in low elo teamfights then YOU are obviously doing something wrong", which I explained already and was never touched up in the video. Nice try tho (:
This isnt fair, clearly the bronze in my match are 5d timetravel chess mind gaming me at every single frame with genius level tactics.
Lulled at "Gold elo Sion is 4D chess mind gaming you"
Predator is meta on jhin?? Since when
Majority of Low elo ADCs don't even know what kiting is. Like sometimes it just feels like people right click once in a fight and then go for grabbing a coffe or something. There is no turn rate in this game, it takes you 0 frames to move backwards after executing an attack. In low elo if you are kiting well enough you can even get away with bad positioning in most situations.
Pings were really loud
On the bright side, "yay free pass".I dont know what hurts more to watch. The kai'sa playing aram and still finding so much success or seeing the team around Cait clown around and him having to go with their bad choices making up for it.
i learned as adc that you should never start plays just wait for your team to make plays and get untouchable
3:44 you are wrong senna's max rang is
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Bro what is up with those super high pitched pings during the Caitlyn clip, it's insufferable.
The guessing game in htis vid is sorta ruined since we can just look where the teams are, first example was easily gold or lower based on how split the team was and similarly with the second one being all grouped with unlimited pings
4:30 what the fuck thats so unluckyyy
Did he just say Asriel at 7:30
yeah. im shit.
ppl on my server and elo dont believe u can solo baron, they will never do baron
Ahh yes, T1 Gumiyusi the pro player
kai'sa's name lol
In low elo you dont tema fight everyone throws the game xD
20 seconds new wr?
Flash at 3;39 may be a mistake,but luck or not isn't that flash saving her from being sandwicied by all 3 of them?with that flash she is somehow splitting the fight in 2 micro ones
Problem sometimes is: I am 5-3 and have to fight a teamfight against 16-2 Zed.
I can't watch it fully. Narrator sounds like a robot.
That ding was WAY TOO LOUD. Can't watch past that now.
8:40 please never use this sound again.
Next time can you please use a less-sharp sounding bell and at a lower volume? Startled me every time lol. Great video besides that! I always love learning what good AND bad play looks like - it's much easier to identify bad habits in my own gameplay that way.
Yeah they should change the video just for you. Because you are very important
@@bondr991 lmao I asked for "next time" not them to change this video. I also doubt I'm the only one who reacted poorly to the chime. Chill out.
@@Twizinator oh yeah my bad man. They should change all future videos just for you
@@bondr991 Glad we're on the same page! Thank you for your support.
Sick, I get a premium pass to say all the things
...first four minutes isn't even a team fight, she kills all five people on their team. Where's the help when it comes to actually playing with a team?
outta curiosity if Kaisa was fed really hard and she just killed kayn knew exactly where everyone was with a yummi attached to her why wouldn't they just end the game instead of waste time going to baron? Kai killed everyone by herself if her team was there to help they woulda ended.
I'm not a coach or a high elo player but I suspect that it has to do with how it's much easier to lose a fight in someone else's territory, particularly the enemy base, combined with the safety that comes from Baron buff's extra siege power. The other team has more vision, towers they can use to defend, potential minion waves spawning, etc. Kai'Sa and her team probably could have ended the game there, but there was a decent possibility of them messing up and losing the fight in base, while it would be almost impossible for them to lose a Baron fight, which means that their subsequent siege & teamfighting power in the enemy base is much higher.
In that example, Red Team doesn't even manage to crash a wave into the Nexus Towers despite getting 4 kills, whereas a Baron buffed super minion wave would be practically guaranteed to do so.
Like said, the game is never won before it is won. "Let's take risk to lose the game, just so we win the game 1/2 minutes earlier IF WE DON'T FUCK UP". Not worth it at all. Typical cocky and no brain attitude.
People can always mess up, even more when thinking "let's have fun, we can't lose anyway" and then troll. Outside of the yumi or anything giving access to healing, just think about Baron : Base advantage mean ennemy team can stall, and if you don't kill lot of peoples and get chuncked, nothing is accomplished, you go back to base and reset, while the ennemy losing team get tempo advantage back. But if you take Nashor, then you put ennemy team in the situation of "We don't even need to kill you to win the game, the minions will do if for us. You need to something right now, or you lose". Without Nashor, ennemy team can just clear stuffs and stay safely arround tower, and heal back quickly if chuncked. With Nashor, ennemy team need to run you down in a few seconds before minions win the game for you, they cant wait a good set up for engaging, or stall. They can just rush at you in tears or lose the game without anyone fighting.
@@pecoguy sounds like the dame attitude that always makes NA lose at worlds.
The number 1 rule of low elo teamfights as ADC: don't be behind on gold. That also means: don't be even on gold (because even as adc is the same as behind).
So you need to be ahead on gold. If you are - use hints from this video. If you are not - don't teamfight, fizz will come and destroy you.
Thank you so much.
Like, they're not wrong or anything, and the guides are super helpful, but distorting reality by making fun of "adc in 2022" is honestly not helping things.
even in platinum, when you leave lane 5-0 but the enemy team has a 5-0 assassin or bruiser, there's a high chance they will just completely overcommit 1v3, pop you in 0.2s and then get away with it because your team is standing right next to you wanking themselves.
This will lose you 40% of your games, and it's honestly really tiring. Gotta make sure to win the rest so you can actually climb
I disagree with the last one... If he had run to find safety behind his friends, he wouldn't have been caught in that fight and the dude over Dragon wouldn't have died by Talon's hand. You say "He forced Talon to ult." No, he didn't. Talon ulted because he saw that everyone and their mother left Ekko trapped behind the dragon, it was a really easy kill. Sure, the adc was thinking to block every exit, but just look how Jhin had plenty of time to walk all around the jungle and enter from Blue team's jungle, just like Pyke did, who actually did great to start panic inside blue team and even taking out LeBlanc in the process. Sure, LeBlanc positioning didn't help, but again, that Dragon was severely rushed. Blue had vision, but they didn't have positioning, they were literally trapped like the guys of 300, and died exactly like the guys of 300, surrounded. LeBlanc had no way to enter that fight because for it she should have taken the risk to go into smoke and pray to god that no one is seeing her. That's another mistake. Blue team put lamps only where they wanted to fight, forgetting that they're not putting the rules of the duel. They should've had wards in bottom jungle, but all the wards were on the top jungle. If LeBlanc could've had run behind the jungle from the bottom, she could've killed Pyke and even Jhin. Only then you do Dragon. But to do Dragon with all Red team alive, and right there, was dumb as hell.
That was a terrible ADC/Ekko move for me, right there.
About the statement at the beginning: In low elo, everyone does everything disastrously wrong. The matter of the fact is, about the mistakes everyone is doing all the time, the role ADC is the least forgiving of it all, because, unlike every other role, traditional ADC can't survive themselves. That's why "ADC in 2022 LUL" meme is actually viable.
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Nah the jhin is just tilting report him plz
second!
Please NEVER use those EXTREMELY LOUD horrible PINGS in a video EVER again.
kaisa literally just 1v5 the game and gave enough time for yi to solo baron whilst the fucking idiotic yone dove inside turret and died to a support, Pretty sure ur bad bro
i'm an ADC main and I know for a fact my team fighting sucks, I even think i'ts the thing I'm the worst at x).
Quick edit: Gen G Ruler is amazing, just by watching I learned a lot already, which is a path to being better with team fights! Thanks SkillCapped!
Not saying you dont but if you dont fully understand then you will always think its your fault. Once you fully understand then you will know 100% if its your fault or not and you will be surprised on what mistakes you are really making.
I will also attest to this. I believe teamfighting is my worst skill. I have worked on vision skills, tempo advantage turns, builds, mechanics and more just to try to compensate for the one skill that I can clearly see is bad through random stats online. You should check out mobalytics analytics and see what it says about you. I played tristana due to my poor skills of kiting (but im a hell of a baiter) and saw that I had like challenger level picking skills with trist (which is the only thing she's good at through all of mid game, so as an overall adc role im probably diamond at best truthfully in it), but my teamfight skills and a few other things were just utter garbage silver or something while I was still sitting in platinum. The only thing that gets me plat each season is the fact I know how to manage waves, punish bad players, and get other members of my team ahead. However, my stats show that I die a lot, I fight poorly, I skirmish badly and lose trades, and my farm suffers for this as well. Patience and clear thoughts is the hardest thing in stressful moments of this game, and losing our minds when every step counts is what adcs do best. Sometimes I wish I could just have rock for brains and press R like malphite and walk straight at people and call it a day, lol.
@@garrettbillington7230 I also play Tristana haha. My trading is also lackluster but I always manage to stay relevant. Thoughts wise, when I'm behind I do what Hector says, I detach myself from the game, it works really well! Sadly since Kai'sa got obliterated lately with nerfs on her Q and one on R I changed her for Ashe
@@Siinory I wish I could Ashe but there's no way for me. She's just not my taste I guess, although she's so good for playing ahead or behind both and highly worth the time spent on her. I'm fixing to revert back to the Jinx train I had seasons ago while she's completely broken right now and see where it gets me. If I'm not breaking the rules of ADC with tristana and sivir all the time, then maybe I'll be forced to get better. Who knows. At least I can still break the rules just maybe a little with jinx during her passive timer lol. Cheers and hopes that we both get better. 👍
@@garrettbillington7230 I was an Ashe main before I discovered the joy of Tristana on Wild Rift hahaha. I may try Caitlyn very soon too
40 seconds in and you are already giving out misinformation. An adc can be positioned perfectly and attacking the right target(s) but if someone on your team makes a mistake or lets someone in the back line then there is nothing you can do about it, has nothing to do with positioning or who you are targeting. Is this really a 'Challenger Guide'???
sure, situations like that happen often enough. but improving as a player requires you to focus on your own gameplay. the point where you think that what you do ingame doesnt matter is the point where youve given up on improving.
gumayusi couldn't carry every single teamfight in silver, but yet he could smurf his way to master with a 90 % wr.
@@PelycheeaceRA You agreed with me without even realizing it. If you want to read what you wrote and try again go for it.
@@twistedfireking1845 thats because i do agree. im just saying that complaining doesnt help :)
@@PelycheeaceRA Who is complaining? Giving information about misinformation on this video to people who watch is not complaining. You okay?
@@twistedfireking1845 whatever you say mate :)
unsubscribed ... 0 real info in the majority of the vids, who made those trash vids ?????!!!!!!!!! does he really know anything about league ???????? what a joke
Good luck getting out of gold/plat.