IT FINALLY HAPPENED!! Dodonpachi SaiDaiOuJou ROM Has Been Released!
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- IT FINALLY HAPPENED!! Dodonpachi SaiDaiOuJou ROM Has Been Released! After years of waiting and hoping, I am very excited today to report that the Dodonpachi SDOJ Rom has been made publicly available on the internet (to CAVE's displeasure I am sure). This is significant because up until the point the only ways to play SaiDaiOuJou was on either the really laggy and funky Xbox 360 port, on the ultra-rare and expensive arcade PCB, or on the expensive EXA Arcadia version which seems cool, but is still a pile of money. The form of this rom release is a little bit funny because it has a cosmetic hack and has been renamed to "Dodonpachi Saidaioujou & Knuckles" and includes some minor cosmetic sprite swaps, but underneath is the real game. Also, since this an "unofficial" MAME release (which I find funny as a concept), you will need to make sure to rename the rom and run it in a manner to force MAME to accept it and play. Also be sure to use low-latency mode with MAME to keep the input lag as low as possible! Sorry to be elusive, but when it comes to finding the ROM and getting it to run and all that, I'm afraid I am not going to be able to help you figure all this stuff out (I don't want CAVE to come after me or something), so good luck, I have faith in you all :-D
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UPDATE! A non-modded version of the rom has made it's way onto the web! How to get it I can't tell you, but it does exist!
Oh ok you know it's another good shooter for Dreamcast Sturmwind 🕹🎮😀👍🏾
It's currently really easy to get off of internet archive.
believe me, you can find it very easily. Easy, barely an inconvenience.
Fans were asking for it on steam for a long time now, willing to pay good money for it. Cave chose to ignore them. Now, the inevitable happens.
Always say that to sega too, but they don't care.
Yeah and considering the other cave shmups have roms available I don't think the rom would challenge a quality port that much, sales wise
@@TheElectricUnderground Exactly. I'm definitely still interested in a steam release! This...and the awesome 360 release of Akai Katana:-) In case my 360 dies some day...may it spin forever!;-)
Theyre too focused on their crummy gacha now.
@@luacadente86 SEGA learned its lesson the hard way. Now they're doubling down with their PC efforts - save for Sonic Colors, which was handled in the worst possible way ever. I think their sales actually went UP when they decided to go full multiplatform.
And then there's that Alien Isolation thing...
SDOJ?!?!?!? It's been ten thousand years... Finally I can unplug my internet and live in the mountains playing arcade games till I croak. Bless🙏
Yeah crazy it's finally out
This romhack made me really happy, they made the most out of the parameters they worked under and the red medals and bees are cool. Maybe this will put pressure on cave to port it to pc with the technical issues from the 360 port resolved :)
That would be awesome!
Do you think that’s likely?
Whelp, apparently a legal lawsuit from Exa-Arcadia resulted in SaiDaiouJou and Akai Katana being yanked off mame entirely
Uhh oh speghettio!
Hoping this pushes Live Wire to make sure they can match this performance, presuming this is one of the next games to come down the pipes from them (not sure if the EXA release complicates that any - delayed to avoid competing, etc).
Technically, Cave can release anything that is not the Exa version, since Exa Arcadia was involved with developing the new arcade version with extra features. Cave can only license the game based on PCB port or the Xbox 360.
If Livewire can do this game for modern platforms, then good for the small audience.
That would be fantastic :-)
for a ROM to be added to MAME needs to be documented and verified, if the ROM got any edits, the chances to be added are very slim. Maybe FBNeo and HBMAME will endorse it.
Nintendo: Smash Ultimate is the greatest crossover in gaming history
Dodonpachi Saidaioujou & Knuckles:😏
Haha suck it Nintendo
Imagine if there was a legit Steam release!
I know, huge oversight by cave not to bring it to steam like dfk
@@TheElectricUnderground Maybe the EXA-label will come years down the line. That seems like a cool version.
I would buy it without a thought, that'd be amazing.
I ask and ask and ask, they don't give a dam. I warned, but it seems they are more worried about sale the exa-label.
As much as this romhack is a meme, I still find it (and subsequently the unmodified game) to hold a very special place in my heart! THIS IS HUGE!!
Edit 1: I gave ya a big ol' like!
Yes huge moment for the genre!! Also thank you for the like ❤️
Bro...bro, this is like a dream come true. I can't belirve it! I'm super excited!
I know it s been one of those shmup holy grails for years!
I will still wait for the clean rom without this sprite changes -or a PC port, which will never come, because CAVE don't care-
Yeah I think we ll see the vanilla rom in the future
I'd been told we will probably see the original rom in April 4th, 2022.
@@nahuelrobledo6843 I read the same thing. Can't wait till April!!!
I've spent two days trying to find the right settings for the slowdown, this game is absolute hell to set up because the spread shot will trigger more slowdown and it's different for each ships
No kidding! I m sure we ll figure it out soon
could you share them?
@@neosummoner5832 I use the same settings as mushihimesama futari, 40%CPU / 59%BD in the more recent version of mame.
@@kaerithmallock thank you for your reply. Finally got the game and can't wait to try it out.
@@neosummoner5832 Good luck it's fkn hard, be sure you have the right one, and try to make a strategy with you hypers.
Tip: first boss side pods can be destroyed and it gives you one hyper.
I got SDOJ before it was taking down. I love it along with Akai Kitana, fun times fun times. It's about time it came out.
Yeah finally free from the arcade board
Yup, I really dig it, it's hard as hell and I usually get stuck on stage 3 just like any good cave game. I'm sure the slowdown, lag issues etc etc aren't PCB perfect but I don't play at a high enough level to really care. Great game and great to finally play on mame. Ali kitana is fantastic also. I LOVE Yagawa games battle garegga, battle bakraid and batrider are amazing.
For crt players: You can add support for this game into groovymame too. I'm a noob and even I figured it out. I've recorded some iffy gameplay of it too.
There are some purists complaining that they want or would rather have the de-hacked version instead?! I'm thankful for anything here as it's taken 10 years to get this version working and I find that the hacked chars humorous to be honest even though at first I was kinda against it but now I break out in laughter over it. Be thankful for what we have and I'm sure that next year we'll have the de-hacked version next year (if it's not already out in inner circles already?!) What I really want is a mame bezel art for this hacked version or even the original which I just can't find sigh...Best thing to ever happen via 2021!
Absolutely!! No need to be so picky ha
Is there a rom hack that changes the little girls for the full military industrial death we experienced in the beginning of the series? Not yet? 😃
Ha that would be great
@@TheElectricUnderground I applaud your tolerance!
The time has come
More people are gonna try to beat Inbachi
*Question now is.. who will beat that Monster?*
No kidding!
IFC did.
@@serraramayfield9230 Link
Also, is it EXA or STD?
@@alexhndr IFC-Sairyou, he's one of our members.
Standard mode, training mode on the 360 port.
7:20. Wow, so emulation allows the game to go from 5 frames of input lag to 3? That's amazing. It'll be interesting if players can tweak things to reduce the input lag even further in the coming days, weeks and months. It also makes me wonder: if some modern games that are high on input lag (like certain fighting games such as Dead or Alive 6 or Street Fighter 5) are emulated using future hardware in like 2030 or 2040, then can those future emulators reduce the input lag for these titles as well? Like, imagine if Cotton Guardian Force Saturn is emulated in 2050 and the emulator manages to reduce the 11 frames of input lag down to 2-3 frames!
The decrease in lag here is not from the emulation, but from emulating a less laggy version in the first place.
Yes RetroArch and run ahead are great examples of this :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground does it mean it will be better to play these arcade games from stand alone MAME rather than cores on Retroarch?
I thought that everyone was excited about the dodonpachi saidaioujou & knuckles rom hack.
A huge thanks to the mysterious Mr CAVEDWELLERS. He knows who he is.
Yeah awesome stuff!
Yeah i know who he is to. ;)
@@ciaranperry4677 I'm calling your bluff, leave a hint
@@serraramayfield9230 no.
This is absolutely my favourite game in the series. I have the XBOX360 port, and honestly never felt it was that terrible, but I'm also not a hardcore shooter player, so probably not proficient enough to be bothered by the technical issues. I hope and pray that this comes to modern consoles, I actually thought for a moment that this was what M2 were bringing next.
Love this Channel so much man . IT have me so much Till now with all the Dodo,clover,etc Tips
Now i got Games ive never known existed....2 yrs.ago i Not even Know what a shmup IS!!!!
Cause only shmup ive ever Played was Musha aleste ON Mega Drive at age 7 ....and then i did sell IT for 15€ age 11/12 Like a scumbag i regret that so much i did have it and have it away???? The original cartridge man.....and when SAW this Channel i rember a lost CHILD Hood Game ....and when replayed Musha i knew what a shmup IS again. Thanks Marc msx
No problem my dude! Happy to introduce you to more of the genre :-)
If their only way to pay them to play the game is to import a pcb and have a full sized arcade cab then it's not really available to normal people, or people who aren't near an arcade.
Normally I don't agree with the "I'm not gonna buy it anyway so it's fine if I pirate" argument, but I mean, COME ON.
Frankly, I struggle so much to relate to people who are anti piracy when I comes to legacy shmups.
Just seems like people trying to stop people getting into the genre.
I hope they dump the matsuri version of mushimisama and the lost blue version of dodonpachi ranking.
Yes exactly there comes a breaking point that people need to recognize
@@luacadente86 We know where DDPCV is. The question is how much money will it take for the owner to relinquish it.
even with rom available if Cave would release it on steam, playstation or switch people would buy it
thank you so much for this video, we finally got it, but i think that without the slowdown it is very difficult haha, and i dont know how to add the "blitter delay"
Yes go to slider controls in mame and change the blitter and cpu speed to get more accurate slowdown
Firstly, wanted to add that the arcade ROM is the only way to play the game in its original 480p format, as far as I’m aware. The other versions all have the HD sprites, if I remember rightly?
Excellent news, this played on a single board computer on a arcade will be awesome.
I remember that some guys of cave saying "we no able to say more but just wait" when they been asked about Steam release of SDOJ... I wonder why TH they don't go for PC, at least M2 argue about some problems with Win 10.
No really. Why hasn't CAVE relased this to Steam? Considering that A.the PCB had a really short print run+plus arcades even in Japan are dying, and B.the 360 port is long out of print. CAVE is really weird about making their shit accessible. I'm sure they can get more money off of putting their newest real game on Steam than whatever they're doing right now.
Yeah they are a top tier game maker crew, but their business savvy is really bad
Finally !!
It is modded version of saidaioujou tho but still I'm so happy.
There's a patch that removes "Knuckles" and other edits restoring the rom to the original (few missing images).
Other then that you'll have to wait till April 4/2022 for the release of the unedited rom.
Nice!
where can I get this?
Still happy to play it on 360. Since i didnt try it on arcade i didnt know about the input delay and slowdowns at all. It still feels close to doj with more "neon" colors. I never fished it tho..
Imagine not exclusively playing your legally acquired and personally ripped PCBs on MAME 🤣🤣
Ha that's the only way I play, i got a warehouse full of pcbs ;-)
Hope it comes to Steam some day...
that would be great!
3:38 least insane sans fangame attack
I will never understand why most of those xbox 360 ports were never dropped on to Steam. Irritates the shit out of me that we get 3 pc ports that look to me to be essentially the 360 versions on PC, then they just stop releasing them. Fuck us I guess.
Yeah I heard it was kind of a cluster at first since they didn t know what they were doing, I think the time is right to bring the rest over though
@@TheElectricUnderground It's not because of Cave, it's because Degica refused to port anything after DFK Steam due to financial losses, and Rising Star lost the rights to DFK in 2020
@@TheElectricUnderground also, as for M2 ports, they said they target fixed hardware configs (ie consoles) for ports because pc has too many different hardware configs and they rely on fix hardware for precise accuracy.
@@sHiNkAoLaSu That's too bad, those ports are the bees knees.
@@Deinbeck For sure👍
So if the rom hack exists then somewhere out there is the real thing. Would much rather have that instead of a meme rom.
Edit: just re-read the thread a little more carefully. Will set reminder for April.
It is the real rom, just with some sprite swaps, I m sure the og version will pop up soon
@@TheElectricUnderground Exciting times
I ll buy the 360 port next year....but this is cool for newcomers that wanto to give it a try...or hardcore gamers that cant put up with some of the 360 port issues
Absolutely!!
I will finally play a cave danmaku with Gardfield on it.
Dreams do come true :-)
It FINALLY happened. Hell yeah
XD
I wonder if this will affect the price of the 360 port. It was around $200 at one point, not that I’m going to sell it anyways..
I've noticed physical copies are pretty resistant. Even when the XBL port of Radiant Silvergun came out the Saturn version kept its value pretty much. I think my US-GC copy of Ikaruga has held its value OK too. Not that I care that much as I like to collect and play. I don't do it fo profit. Sounds like I'm a bit like you.
I really don't think so since you can already emulate the 360 version or jailbreak your 360
Cool, maybe this will lead to cave actually porting more of their shmups to pc on steam
I think, they will not care or in worst case be pissed off and will stay away from pc ports even more.
@@Arandui and that’s saying a lot if they did pull away from PC
@@Arandui Considering that not even their gacha is allowing them to pull even financially, they'll have to care if they want to keep existing.
@@serraramayfield9230 I think, even then they will not care. Otherwise, they already would be more pro-active in handling their legacy.
@@Arandui I'm saying they won't have a choice
Hopefully livewire can do a port of this game
2:10 The medal colour has made me curious, why are they red?
Quick edit: Typed "have" instead of "has", pardon my grammar.
Just for kicks I think
Secondly, I’d love to know if anyone is working on emulating the actual hardware of the CVS boards to model the slowdowns. I believe the causes of the slowdown are known in theory, correct?
I think? I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised :-)
Cross-posted from software/hardware dev Buffi:
"On SH-3 there's two registers (WCR1 and WCR2) which specifies the number of wait cycles for any external access. These writes are simple to get by just looking at the values the games write there on startup. The issue is that RAM access (Area 3/CS3) is cached, which means that only cache misses will generate wait states. Emulation of cache behavior like this is very tricky, and would require a lot of research. Most likely, this is the #1 thing that needs to be resolved to get proper slowdown, and any messing around with current sliders will approximate it poorly.
For blitter, the sliders will just set the time that the blitter will report busy after any write. Pretty sure this is just a way to inject some amount of waits into the blitter, which might make sense, but without more knowledge about how it's actually supposed to behave, I don't think splitting up delay more will add much use.
It's definitely possible to make proper slowdown emulation, but it's just so much work that someone has to do, and there's not really any good shortcuts.
Tl;dr: You will not get accurate slowdown with the current mame settings. It can still ofc be more accurate than 'no slowdown'"
@@serraramayfield9230 That’s the info I was referring to 👍 Worth remembering that some Cave peeps obviously DO know how the system works in order to program the slowdown into the ports. I wonder if anyone could reverse engineer it FROM the ports...?
@@shmups_hobby Probably not, you need PCB access and hardware debugging tools
@@serraramayfield9230 I mean from the 360 or PC code.
But what if you already have a zipfile called 'dfkbl'? :)
I guess move it to a dif folder temporarily
@@TheElectricUnderground I named it 'akatana' instead... SUCCESS! 👾
Sans from dodonpachi
My question is how well does it run compared to running it on Xenia?
I have Futari on Xenia but I couldn't find SDOJ for 360 anywhere lol I own it physically on 360 but it's not a modded console so I can't just rip the iso oh well
But yeah I'd like to know how much better it. runs compared to Xenia
Slowdown will probably be a bit better when the blitter settings are figured out, the input lag is waaaay better. 2 frames faster then xenia and 360
The icon is Garfield, NOT Hello Kitty.
I wrote Garfield on the vid :-) hello kitty is also in the hack
I'm happy for the fans of SDOJ for this to happen. I'm on the side of the fence that think the XBOX360 version is good enough for casual play. My opinion might change if I get better at it. 😂
It's so hard to have a thoughtful discussion about cases like this in TH-cam comments (or other comments sections online with automated moderation). I typed out a long post thinking about various aspects of how to think about playing this game, and my comment was filtered/erased by TH-cam. I guess we'll have to keep having thoughtful discussions in person/face-to-face with friends ... everything is so black-and-white on the internet, where more and more it seems like thoughtful debate is not allowed (yet many horrible things are allowed, sadly).
yes no kidding, I think I am going to make a dedicated vid for the topic
the wait is finally over......i like how they add & Knuckles
Yeah ha, the meme has been unleashed
Wow those are some great news! But, what about Mushihimesama Matsuri? :(
That s in the steam port I believe :-)
Also, are there minimum PC specifications required to run this game at a decent speed?
Oh probably not super high, mame doesn t take much power
@@TheElectricUnderground Definitely downloading it on my dedicated MAME computer when I have time!
@@energyzer_bunny1913 anything dualcore onwards should be fine.
yes!!
finally!
I tried it today on the latest version of RA and it worked on FBNeo, but it has some heavy slowdown
Yep! Hang tight update 8 coming soon:-)
@@TheElectricUnderground can't wait it, I was almost deciding to get a modded x360 to play it
Amazing. At least this hack fixes two problems with the original game. Input lag (360) and the ridiculous undressing of the characters for difficulty. I'll be playing as the T-Rex long after the unhacked rom is dumped. Also, if you're going to have constant chatter run through a shmup it's made slightly more bearable with Garfield.
Ha yeah the sprite swaps don t bother me either
Is the EXA version good though? I'm not buying it lol but I'm curious if it's as good as the original release.
I actually don t know, couldn't get a review unit :-(
Now of some madlad oploaded the rom for akai katana exa...
Ohh wow!!!
The only reason any regular Joe Schmo will object to this, is because of the propaganda pumped into the public since the early 2000s.
"You wouldn't steal a car, so why would you download a movie?"
Funny thing is, everyone would download a car if they could; and if you disagree, please feel free to buy an Exa on my behalf.
Wish I could download a house!!! Would do it in a second ha. Yes I want to create a vid on rom legality soon
Was that the original leonard cohen track or a cover?
Copyright free cover :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground ahh. Of course. Good cover.
"IT FinAllY hAppnEd"...yes it happened, they removed it from mame. hope all of you youtubers clickabaiters are finally happy now
Don't shoot the messenger ha. Plus it can't truly be "removed" from mame, whether or not it is listed by mame or not.
Great notice 👍
No problem!
Wonder what the guys at cave think of this ....
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the thing with the exa port is that it's price is just the game kit, you still need to buy the machine forking much more money. It's just too expensive, and even tho i talk as a 3rd world pleb, i don't think even you "rich dudes" would be comfortable forking that much money 2k for the game and 2600 for the actual system. In that regard, i will wait for exa dumps to be available
Yeah 4k is just too much, I agree
Why doesn’t cave just rerelease the Cave collection? I honestly don’t see the reason for a rerelease of the entire Collection to not be on PS4 and PC. Anyone know?
they're more interested in mobile games lately.
@@DavidTheCVINFECTI And also because PC development is hard
@@serraramayfield9230 maybe, but exa is basically a PC as same with the system of Deathsmiles 2. It's more like they're concerned about piracy.
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freedom!
We're just going to be released on PlayStation 4 they releasing it or what's going on🕹🎮😀👍🏾
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO
:-D
Garfield is wife
Best waifu
Hallelujah :)
Ha managed to find a copyright free version
Why'd it take so long for the ROM to be released?
The PCB is very rare and expensive and cave are real cranky about roms and emulation
Hallelujah
Indeed ha! I was happy to find a copyright free version
How do I get this? Please and thanks
Google dodonpachi saidaioujou & knuckles
@@TheElectricUnderground 🚨WEE WOO WEE WOO IT'S THE CAVE POLICE 🚨
Does anyone have information on the rom? How can we mortals play?
The rom got removed due to TOS!
dang!
@@TheElectricUnderground Nevermind, someone re-upped it in a later page!
it is harder than Dai Ou Jou even with automatic bombs!!!!
romhack no longer available (removed).😥
Oh damn!
@@TheElectricUnderground I'm wrong. still available (mirror download).😄
Get it fast before download links no longer work.
So you youngsters never compiled your own version of MAME? You need to create the rom data in the C file, and then compile. Plus MAME only has a 3 year rule, so this game was released waaay past that rule.
Ahh yes you can go that route for sure! I personally just made a bat file with a shortcut ha
@@TheElectricUnderground Yeah I own the 360 version and I agree with you on the issues. It should have gotten a patch years ago as all the previous Cave releases sans DaiOuJou were excellent. Not to say SaiDaiOuJou is bad it's still decent in a way. I'll wait for the straight release of the rom. It's been a decade since I have compiled my own version of MAME. Haven't been this excited since they used to drop SNK/NeoGeo roms in the middle of the night
@@superroboted It's not a 3 year rule. For a game to be added to MAME, it must have been released within the last 5 years or more, and the game must not be available in any form on an arcade platform (console/PC ports don't count).
Awesome
I’m happy with playing it on Xbox 360.
Nothing wrong with that :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground And this version? I don’t know what to think of that.
I am too but i've only played it casually up until now. I'll keep an eye on this though.
@@davy_K I mainly did the Xbox 360 Mode, though, because that’s the main mode of that port.
@@SolCresta3405 I've only played a bit of that. Stayed with the arcade mode of the port mainly. I did some of the challenges too. It's fun unlocking stuff in the shop. There's a pile of options to unlock. :) It's a pity higher skilled players than I notice the lag. I play mine on a rotated CRT with an RGB SCART connection - I wonder if that helps any...
I don't wanna buy an Xbox 360, don't wanna emulate that version, so I wish mame would support it and think their stance is weird
Mame are wierd ha, it s fine though since you can get around it with a simple batch file :-)
Any chance we get this on MiSTer?
It's not powerful enough to handle SDOJ unfortunately
I think someday yes
Whats Up with the garfield thing
Just some meme sprite swaps I think
why did they ruin it with the "funny" changes
I m guessing to try to avoid the wrath of cave, or just to meme ha
@@TheElectricUnderground the wrath of cave might be unquenchable already lol
@@AcceleratingUniverse From what I can understand, the unedited rom will still be released in April 2022 to coincide with the 10th anniversary of the game.
I have a video of how to play it without the memes
Nice!!!
For those wondering, here is the vid th-cam.com/video/XfoqDypXZb4/w-d-xo.html
Around 200 for a copy online and cost for a Japanese 360 all for one game and they won’t release any official version. I always delete mame versions when Switch versions come out, no sympathy for developers in this one.
Yeah sdoj is not very easy to access ha
Game is downloadable from japanese xbl , less than 25 bucks . Region free too , plays on any xbox 360
noice
hello is this an old game please?
12 years old
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Yes
Link please
Google the phrase in the description :-)
Great.
Now get all 6 other games (reliably) onto PC.
Also, stop taking like you know this game. I hiiiiiiighly doubt you've even played a Dodonpachi game besides Saidaioujou.
Bruh, just look at his other videos. He played a lot of Dodonpachi..
dodonpachi saidaioujou """"""""""""""""""""""""""""rom"""""""""""""""""""""""""""".
Well its not really a rom its a bootleg conversion from an DFK Black Label with uh Knuckles in it, but its better than nothing.
it actually isn't a conversion from what I understand, it's the rom wrapped in dfk with some meme knucles
It's actually SDOJ, as the memory addresses with the cheat database for DFKBL don't line up.
I am against piracy
Exa version is probably the way to go then, gonna cost about $4000 for the game and system though
it doesn't matter what you're against when you see me on the seven seas, landlubber
I am too but I've used MAME which makes me a hypocrite I guess. I'd much rather own a physical copy of a game and will buy them even if I have downloaded the ROM. Game publishing is a complete screw up. Imagine not being able to buy old films and music? Idiotic. I have never and would never buy a pirated copy of a new game though no matter how much I wanted to play it. These are only games - you don't need them. It doesn't matter how nonsensical you think it is, pirating is wrong. But I do it from time to time.
@@davy_K If the games dissapear where do you get them? The reason why persevation is great.
@@TheElectricUnderground still isnt legal. Isn't ours to preserve. Mad but thats the way it is. More valuable art has been lost over the years than some videogames. A shame but there it is. I believe there should be a way preserving them that is legal and isnt defaced like this stupid childish hack.