Great video. I share your phylosophy regarding purchasing items with great satisfaction/price ratio and the "$ vs branding", fake or real. What most people don't realize is that high price branded items are caused by two main factors . 1) your purchasing a "waranty" for wich most manufacturer try to find BS excuses to avoid respecting it's own terms. Perceived peace of mind is a very expensive commodity. 2. Your financing R&D (20%) but mainly Marketing (80%). I know, I been working long enough in Marketing (Pharmaceutical industry). As a bonus 3) If the company is public, they have to constantly deliver growth on a quarterly basis for their shareholders. Wich mean you'll be told that their lastest product is the ultimate product. That is, until they come up with a new product that are nowadays more and more beta versions because commercialized too soon due to quarterly deadlines imposed by management rather than respecting a sensible development cycle calendar. Just look at Garmin. I'm not saying buy copies, I'm just saying, whenever you buy something, do you homework, establish the level of risks your comfortable with and then gratify yourself with the upgrade of your choice or not. Because, if you can't afford paying cash or even if you can pay cash, have you ever evaluated the true costs, long term risks and opportunity costs of spending for something that is not essential ? Think before you buy. Finally, remember that most of price of your fancy brand item as nothing to do with production costs.
I understand where you are coming from but you figures are only accurate for your industry. American pharmaceutical companies are notorious for spending more on marketing than they are in R&D.
Copying is very easy, but make the research, design the products and test them cost money. People working in europe cost a lot much more monney than is china. The major chinese products are just copies of american and european research.
Sylvain Michaud, you are spot on with your comments. The one point you made that really disturbs me but is true, companies release products before they are truly tested and we end up getting products that don't work as well as their marketing leads the consumer to believe. Look at Tacx trainer software's over their history of offerings, they always made big claims but most of the time wasn't even a usable product when released. Garmin, Wahoo, and other makers of electronic gadgets have all given me troubles. I game a lot and games releases are the same way. I just bought a new PC monitor and I took a big chance of receiving one without issues based on the reviews of other people but I liked the specs. I would never buy a set of wheels from Zipp because I think the price is way out of line especially if you look at a nice set of high performance racing wheels for something like motocross. Zipp is just fooling a lot of fools.
I've been using a set of Chinese 55mm rims with Novatec hubs for 1.5 years in all sorts of conditions and have done about 15K km on them without any problems. They are stiff, "feel" fast and are surprisingly unproblematic in cross winds. Recently I treated myself to a new bike that came with 62mm Reynolds Strike wheels that cost multiple times the price of my other wheelset...and it's virtually impossible to feel a difference between the two...
Enjoyable video to watch. Theres great satisfaction in building your own wheels...onya. Please do a review of your wheels at appx. 3,000km...time is the real test. If you are really 50kg!! you can ride very light wheels. Greetings from 'Oz cycle' in Australia 😎
Always love your videos, mate. I'm like you - I love going into all the details and a video about a simple thing becomes a huge 20minute video. These days I edit things to be a bit shorter, but I personally prefer the long video style! I know you're also a fan of some of the Chinese stuff... if you ever need help sourcing things, send me an e-mail.
I owned Zipps for a year that I used for tri races and every time I hit a bump, I would have a quick heart attack. Finally decided to try a set of Chinese, no name rims, that were less than a fifth of the price. I then sold my Zipps because my race times were just as fast, the rims are well built and I don’t cringe every time I hit a bump in the road. I would not blindly buy any old Chinese rims though, there are crap rims out there. I reviewed several different companies before deciding on one that had a ton of good reviews. I would say the only down side is trying to resell a bike with no name rims, most people here Chinese rims and they turn there noses up and walk away......whatever.
Thanks for the video. Worth noting Hed didnt design the 3 spoke it was a DuPont design originally licensed to Specialized and finally hed brought the license for it.
I have 50mm Chinese carbon and also DT Swiss 47mm. Living in the 6th windiest city in the US, the DT Swiss are amazing in high winds at any angle. I was shocked at the difference.
Great vid! I’ve been riding a set of 50mm Chinese carbon rims for over 5 years now and never had any issues with them. This includes multiple road races too. They are still 100% true......thanks for the very informative vid 😀
Your bike looks amazing with those wheels. Would love to see the update on the lightweight 1x bike and whats the difference in the riding comfort compared to the specialized
454 disc is almost there too, but they managed 27.5mm and 19 instead of a different number, but that is close enough. The other thing is the dimple is no longer grinding, now they get to press it in the mold.
I have the exact same wheelset as yours. Geeeezzz, they’re so terrible in the wind. It’s not about the rims height, but the spoke catches the cross wind so bad. Immediately change it and never looking back.
Really? I just got back from the coastal city of Qingdao, it was SUPER windy. There were people in the group with 40mms struggling with crosswinds, I felt fine with these in the crosswinds. I'm a lighter rider too. Strange to have such different experiences.
China Cycling yes i have that strange sensation. I don’t know why. Nevertheless, the wheelset is absolute banger whenever holding high speed. Sure it will be great deal for you
I bought this copy and put original DT Swiss hud I could say that product money saving quality responsive and I use it on the gravel worth it, and the most important is I’m super satisfied
Very interested in buying myself a set of these for the summer season for aero. I got great fulcrum climbing wheels second hand but I’m looking at doing some carbon aero wheels and everything in your video has me falling in love with these. Possibly point me in the right direction of how to get these and if you think I should build them myself or order some already built.
hi，are you still using this wheel? just want to know that does the sawtooth shape really work in crosswind？I‘m looking for some wheel with good aero performance but can also be easy to handle in strong wind. Thanks!
when i cut my carbon fork i saved the piece and sew right across that “spacer” to hold the aero spokes while trueing,turned out to be the best tool for that work! Thanks for pointing out these rims,i’m excited to get a pair of them as fast as possible! Did you use messing underlay rings?I highly recommend to,plus putting a drop of hanf oil on the thread of the spoke before use,that will help the wheels. We call that”standing “wheels🤙🙏🚴🏽💦
You have some calculator which is best to get the right spoke lengths for the various hubs and wheelset I want the do this as well your spot on about what people want and what they can afford. Kudos to you.😄
The patent for the saw tooth profile from Zipp ran out a few months ago AFAIK. That's why you see these rims on aliexpress and they still didn't get copyright stiked i will build a front wheel for my triathlon bike with the chinese 454 rims for the nasty days where crosswinds might be strong. Have ridden a 88x25mm CSC front wheel in gusty wind conditions. Let's just say, that i grabbed the aero-extensions quite firmly
@@mwinner101 you are correct its because China doesn't have patent laws. they don't need to follow what the rest of the world follows. hence all the fake stuff everywhere and the government not doing anything about it. Aliexpress take things down because they want to please the 'free world' market outside of China.
Hey! great content! could you please provide the online app you used to calculate spoke length for these 454's? Im about to build a set my self but struggling with spoke length.
Great video! A better, and free upgrade for you, lower your seat 5-10mm that will increase your power quite a bit. You're rocking on your saddle and overextending your legs, shoot for a fully extended knee angle of 155*-160* or 20*-25* from straight. Looking at the video you're closer to 170, which is cause for concern. Good luck man, keep up the good work!
You've got a very good eye. The same day I switched the wheels I also switched the saddle (also for a review) it sits a lot higher on the rails than my Arione. I've since dropped it about 5mm, but maybe it needs more. I have a bike fitter in Beijing who wants me to visit him, so that will get this all dialed in. Again, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, I'm impressed with your eye for details!
You could have a look at the sensah empire groupset. Plan on trying that groupset because of the competitive price and seemingly good ergonomics/looks. But there are no good reviews on YT or they are in Chinese
Hola! Compré estas mismas ruedas pero aun no puedo encontrar el largo correcto de rayos para las mazas dt swiss 360 straight pull. Alguien sabe que medida debo usar? Muchas gracias✌️
I'm running a set of zipp 60s on my allez sprint. Would this wheelset (rim) be worth building up? Or am I better off getting a set of shallow wheels to have a set of each? I was looking at some roval slx24 alloy wheels since I already have 60mm wheels
Nice bike pron.... Now if you only had links to those Chinese Carbon Clincher rims? .... So we could experience the cheap thrills for ourselves. :) BTW are they tubeless rims? I assume they have to be but confirmation would be nice...
For an average person, they probably can't feel it. For people who are capable of putting out over something like 1250 watts, you definitely shouldn't be riding a Chinese replica. I have a non-sworks specialized shiv and I consistently complain about it not being stiff enough compared to the s-works carbon lay-up.
Just discovered and thoroughly enjoy your videos. From China Bike Expo, Yeoleo, and this, have subscribed and look forward to more. China is not only waking up, but shaking up the cycling world, and that can only be good for the planet. Good work.
Wheel building is easy. I built many wheelsets, mostly for mountainbiking, but the last couple years I've built some road wheels also. My last set of wheels, because they were carbon, I had a professional company who specializes in wheel building build them, I won't name them, but I got my wheels and they weren't perfectly true. I had to do some final tweeks myself. I do have the wheel building tools and a tension meter. Tools are worth the investment if you like doing your own maintenance on your bike. It's sad that people will tell you if you've never built a set of wheels you should not attempt it and have a builder or bike shop do it. I'm glad I don't listen to idiots. I highly recommend for anyone to try it. It's time consuming but fun.
Interesting. Do you have a comparison? What did you experience? I also want to buy a wheelset and think about the R36 hubs. Anyone has experience with those?
Hi, loved the video! Could you possibly post the links to get all the wheel parts from the sites from which you bought them? Cheers! Also I'm looking to find a good Chinese manufacturer that can provide me with a complete superlight climbing bike so if you have any opinion on this it would be great to hear it. All the best and keep up the great videos :)
What website can i get these from ?? My front 303 just cracked shipping it to mia from CO . now im dealing with that bs and its teaching me this may be the better option
Holy shit mate! 50kg??? My dog is 55kg and no, he's not fat just a muscular Malamute. In fact I've slimmed down myself, I'm only 5' 10" and my body fat is down to 8 -10% so I'm lean really but still weigh 90kg. You must be a tiny wee fella. Anyway to be fair it doesn't matter how big or little you are. Strong enough crosswinds with deepish rims can be a mare. I remember having my carbon bike blown from under me by a crosswind like a kite. I weighed around 96kg at the time. My rims were only 40mm deep so not huge. I exited a stretch of houses that was sheltering me somewhat and it was like being low tackled. Hit me like a scrum half.
Just came across this video because I'm looking at upgrading my wheelset. Do you have the toabao link for that store? I'm based in Sichuan. Cheers man.
Great video, will you give a review of any aluminum frames, that are in the market, I'm 200 + in weight still learning and 51 years old and trying to find a happy medium in road bikes cause my weight plays a big factor when it comes to getting into a road bike, keep up the great videos stay blessed and much success in your new business. P.S. just subscribed hope to see more.
Love the set-up, the eTaps the best! great project you've done there 👌 - also I've just acquired a 'Kask Infinity' helmet and it's pretty good - big fan of all China gear 👍
"People says about stiffness of wheels" well, I don't know if a pair is stiffer than the other, but when they aren't stuff enough you'll recognize it very well, mine clearly flex too much in standing sprints
Making things that LOOK and PERFORM like a particular product is not illegal (for the most part as long as they are not identical) or immoral... using the stickers to brand them the same IS both ILLEGAL and IMMORAL.
Actually I think both the dimples as well as the saw tooth profile are patented. Not sure whether that patent covers China, but at least selling to US would also infringe some IP rights, even without those stickers.
Thnx for all the tips! I ‘m more and more into building and maintaining my own bikes and thus buying the parts instead of the complete package is the way to go. And I don’t care for brands much, more for genuine innovation, which costs money... as such I steer away from that too until proven to work. The price difference is of course steep, but for that you get an assembled and tested product, which is something to pay for. As such I still won’t buy Chinese goods without some proper reviews that seem real, which is where your video’s help! But after that, building assembling stuff yourself makes a bike more your own achievement!
Nice Video! Seems to be a very considerable option, at least in areas where the wheels are available. Really looking forward to the one bar video ;) SUBSCRIBED
Nice build. I've also been riding the same Saw tooth clinchers for about a year. I'm running Powerway R13 hubs on them. I'm a 78kg rider so impact on braking is much larger. The rims squealed like stuck pigs when braking. So toeing the shoes and centering on the brake track was super important. Also changed from the Shimano Dura-ace shoes to Lifeline shoes worked better, these are a slightly softer compound. But between each race I need to clean the brake track and sand down the shoes to remove any glazed areas from high temp. build up. All in all I'm quite happy too. Although I can't help but think what the Original hubs and brake track efficiency would be like in comparison.
@@ChinaCycling I might be a little pedantic with this but it has helped in my case. I just use dish wash liquid and a cloth or scourer to try remove the compound build up. Depending on how much I've been able to remove I then use a toothpick for the grooves. It's seriously tedious work but somewhat therapeutic the night or nights before a race. I've been toying with the idea of using a hairdryer to try soften the residue before rubbing it off. However I've not yet tried this method. Perhaps on my next cleaning mission. I'm in Jo'burg South Africa, with quite a warm climate so my brake wear might be amplified compared to yours.
Good vid. Price difference is amazing. Weight difference not the significant to me. (What is a "small" 30k loop, though? What's a large 30k loop like? ;-)
I just got a truing stand, so im new at building wheels. i woold like to build a set with chineese products. can you put me in a direction how to get them in Belgium without to much feez? Awsom wheelset btw.
I would rather have a different set of rims, in independent testing done by hambini and a few other people they found the 454’s were got garbage being beat by even the 303’s. Your yoeleos were like 5watts faster at 30kph so I wouldn’t bother changing to these
Great video.
I share your phylosophy regarding purchasing items with great satisfaction/price ratio and the "$ vs branding", fake or real.
What most people don't realize is that high price branded items are caused by two main factors .
1)
your purchasing a "waranty" for wich most manufacturer try to find BS excuses to avoid respecting it's own terms. Perceived peace of mind is a very expensive commodity.
2. Your financing R&D (20%) but mainly Marketing (80%). I know, I been working long enough in Marketing (Pharmaceutical industry).
As a bonus 3) If the company is public, they have to constantly deliver growth on a quarterly basis for their shareholders. Wich mean you'll be told that their lastest product is the ultimate product. That is, until they come up with a new product that are nowadays more and more beta versions because commercialized too soon due to quarterly deadlines imposed by management rather than respecting a sensible development cycle calendar.
Just look at Garmin.
I'm not saying buy copies, I'm just saying, whenever you buy something, do you homework, establish the level of risks your comfortable with and then gratify yourself with the upgrade of your choice or not.
Because, if you can't afford paying cash or even if you can pay cash, have you ever evaluated the true costs, long term risks and opportunity costs of spending for something that is not essential ?
Think before you buy.
Finally, remember that most of price of your fancy brand item as nothing to do with production costs.
I understand where you are coming from but you figures are only accurate for your industry. American pharmaceutical companies are notorious for spending more on marketing than they are in R&D.
just on a side note, (i don't think most of anyone here reads Chinese), but the description on 02:10 does say it has a 2 year warranty.
Pharma reinvests more in R&D than nearly any other industry. Reason is that patents expire. Unlike coca cola or gucci.
Copying is very easy, but make the research, design the products and test them cost money. People working in europe cost a lot much more monney than is china. The major chinese products are just copies of american and european research.
Sylvain Michaud, you are spot on with your comments. The one point you made that really disturbs me but is true, companies release products before they are truly tested and we end up getting products that don't work as well as their marketing leads the consumer to believe. Look at Tacx trainer software's over their history of offerings, they always made big claims but most of the time wasn't even a usable product when released. Garmin, Wahoo, and other makers of electronic gadgets have all given me troubles. I game a lot and games releases are the same way. I just bought a new PC monitor and I took a big chance of receiving one without issues based on the reviews of other people but I liked the specs. I would never buy a set of wheels from Zipp because I think the price is way out of line especially if you look at a nice set of high performance racing wheels for something like motocross. Zipp is just fooling a lot of fools.
I've been using a set of Chinese 55mm rims with Novatec hubs for 1.5 years in all sorts of conditions and have done about 15K km on them without any problems. They are stiff, "feel" fast and are surprisingly unproblematic in cross winds. Recently I treated myself to a new bike that came with 62mm Reynolds Strike wheels that cost multiple times the price of my other wheelset...and it's virtually impossible to feel a difference between the two...
I think slowly and slowly more people are realizing this.
Here also, using now two years 50mm carbon Chinese clinchers for almostly 20k. They feel same as day one :D
I love the spirit of your channel, that China Cycling is just as good or better than mostly Eurocentric cycling.
Enjoyable video to watch.
Theres great satisfaction in building your own wheels...onya. Please do a review of your wheels at appx. 3,000km...time is the real test.
If you are really 50kg!! you can ride very light wheels.
Greetings from 'Oz cycle' in Australia 😎
Always love your videos, mate. I'm like you - I love going into all the details and a video about a simple thing becomes a huge 20minute video. These days I edit things to be a bit shorter, but I personally prefer the long video style! I know you're also a fan of some of the Chinese stuff... if you ever need help sourcing things, send me an e-mail.
I owned Zipps for a year that I used for tri races and every time I hit a bump, I would have a quick heart attack. Finally decided to try a set of Chinese, no name rims, that were less than a fifth of the price. I then sold my Zipps because my race times were just as fast, the rims are well built and I don’t cringe every time I hit a bump in the road. I would not blindly buy any old Chinese rims though, there are crap rims out there. I reviewed several different companies before deciding on one that had a ton of good reviews. I would say the only down side is trying to resell a bike with no name rims, most people here Chinese rims and they turn there noses up and walk away......whatever.
What website did you get them from?
@@oneleggreg2 I would like to know, too.
Can you give us the name of the Taobao company/seller so that we may be able to locate them on an English speaking site such as Ebay or AliExpress?
If you find out where I can get a set let me know
Thanks for the video. Worth noting Hed didnt design the 3 spoke it was a DuPont design originally licensed to Specialized and finally hed brought the license for it.
I have 50mm Chinese carbon and also DT Swiss 47mm. Living in the 6th windiest city in the US, the DT Swiss are amazing in high winds at any angle. I was shocked at the difference.
Great vid! I’ve been riding a set of 50mm Chinese carbon rims for over 5 years now and never had any issues with them. This includes multiple road races too. They are still 100% true......thanks for the very informative vid 😀
Your bike looks amazing with those wheels. Would love to see the update on the lightweight 1x bike and whats the difference in the riding comfort compared to the specialized
Excellent review. Please provide a link to order the Chinese copy cat. Thanks
454 disc is almost there too, but they managed 27.5mm and 19 instead of a different number, but that is close enough. The other thing is the dimple is no longer grinding, now they get to press it in the mold.
can you provide the links for the parts you bought??
very good video keep up the good job!!
I have the exact same wheelset as yours. Geeeezzz, they’re so terrible in the wind. It’s not about the rims height, but the spoke catches the cross wind so bad. Immediately change it and never looking back.
Really? I just got back from the coastal city of Qingdao, it was SUPER windy. There were people in the group with 40mms struggling with crosswinds, I felt fine with these in the crosswinds. I'm a lighter rider too. Strange to have such different experiences.
China Cycling yes i have that strange sensation. I don’t know why. Nevertheless, the wheelset is absolute banger whenever holding high speed. Sure it will be great deal for you
I bought this copy and put original DT Swiss hud I could say that product money saving quality responsive and I use it on the gravel worth it, and the most important is I’m super satisfied
Very interested in buying myself a set of these for the summer season for aero. I got great fulcrum climbing wheels second hand but I’m looking at doing some carbon aero wheels and everything in your video has me falling in love with these. Possibly point me in the right direction of how to get these and if you think I should build them myself or order some already built.
Video is awesome, but don't you have your saddle a lil too high?
Hi china cycling. Do you still have these rims? Hows the brake line? Are they prone to warping especially on downhills.
hi，are you still using this wheel? just want to know that does the sawtooth shape really work in crosswind？I‘m looking for some wheel with good aero performance but can also be easy to handle in strong wind. Thanks!
Is there going to be a long term review of these wheels? After 6 months to a year?
when i cut my carbon fork i saved the piece and sew right across
that “spacer” to hold the aero spokes while trueing,turned out to be
the best tool for that work!
Thanks for pointing out these rims,i’m excited to get a pair of them
as fast as possible!
Did you use messing underlay rings?I highly recommend to,plus putting
a drop of hanf oil on the thread of the spoke before use,that will help the wheels.
We call that”standing “wheels🤙🙏🚴🏽💦
Hey, how are the wheels doing now? Are you still riding them? How is the brake surface holding up? Any other long-term experiences?
Do they make disc break version? If so can you leave a link? Thanks.
You have some calculator which is best to get the right spoke lengths for the various hubs and wheelset I want the do this as well your spot on about what people want and what they can afford. Kudos to you.😄
Love your Allez. I would like to know the price of your complete build with that Allez, exclude thể groupset. Cheers!
Do you know if you can make a disc brake version using this wheelset? Also was it aluminum faring or structural carbon?
The patent for the saw tooth profile from Zipp ran out a few months ago AFAIK. That's why you see these rims on aliexpress and they still didn't get copyright stiked
i will build a front wheel for my triathlon bike with the chinese 454 rims for the nasty days where crosswinds might be strong. Have ridden a 88x25mm CSC front wheel in gusty wind conditions. Let's just say, that i grabbed the aero-extensions quite firmly
Calvin Pessl China copies EVERYTHING so they don’t care if you have a patent or not.
@@mwinner101 you are correct its because China doesn't have patent laws. they don't need to follow what the rest of the world follows. hence all the fake stuff everywhere and the government not doing anything about it. Aliexpress take things down because they want to please the 'free world' market outside of China.
How are these wheels holding up? Did you try this on descends?
Please post link to website, great vid, cheers!
Great video! Which novatec hubs are you using? Cheers, Mauro
Hey! great content! could you please provide the online app you used to calculate spoke length for these 454's? Im about to build a set my self but struggling with spoke length.
can you post a link? =)
Great video! A better, and free upgrade for you, lower your seat 5-10mm that will increase your power quite a bit. You're rocking on your saddle and overextending your legs, shoot for a fully extended knee angle of 155*-160* or 20*-25* from straight. Looking at the video you're closer to 170, which is cause for concern. Good luck man, keep up the good work!
You've got a very good eye. The same day I switched the wheels I also switched the saddle (also for a review) it sits a lot higher on the rails than my Arione. I've since dropped it about 5mm, but maybe it needs more. I have a bike fitter in Beijing who wants me to visit him, so that will get this all dialed in. Again, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, I'm impressed with your eye for details!
@@ChinaCycling I love the content, keep up the good work!
Sir what bikeshop would you recommend buying this carbon wheelset?
You could have a look at the sensah empire groupset. Plan on trying that groupset because of the competitive price and seemingly good ergonomics/looks. But there are no good reviews on YT or they are in Chinese
At 200 lb, would you suggest this wheelset?
Hola! Compré estas mismas ruedas pero aun no puedo encontrar el largo correcto de rayos para las mazas dt swiss 360 straight pull. Alguien sabe que medida debo usar? Muchas gracias✌️
Supplier links?
+1 on the links! :)
Search '58mm carbon rim' on Ebay and you will see them if my link doesnt work. Tubular/Clincher
I'm running a set of zipp 60s on my allez sprint. Would this wheelset (rim) be worth building up? Or am I better off getting a set of shallow wheels to have a set of each? I was looking at some roval slx24 alloy wheels since I already have 60mm wheels
What supplier do you recommend for the 454 Chinese Rims ? Thx and awesome video !
Hi, Who makes these rims.Where would i buy a set? Thank You.
Where did you get the rims?
Great Video as usual Joe. How is the wheels holding up so far?
so how safe is it ?
Nice bike pron.... Now if you only had links to those Chinese Carbon Clincher rims? .... So we could experience the cheap thrills for ourselves. :)
BTW are they tubeless rims? I assume they have to be but confirmation would be nice...
Longterm review?
Can you compare a Chinese replica frameset with an original? Regards
I have a friend with a fake Mk.I. Venge and another friend with a real Mk.I. Venge. I'll see if I can get them to both come out together.
For an average person, they probably can't feel it. For people who are capable of putting out over something like 1250 watts, you definitely shouldn't be riding a Chinese replica.
I have a non-sworks specialized shiv and I consistently complain about it not being stiff enough compared to the s-works carbon lay-up.
What’s the link for the wheels?
Just discovered and thoroughly enjoy your videos. From China Bike Expo, Yeoleo, and this, have subscribed and look forward to more.
China is not only waking up, but shaking up the cycling world, and that can only be good for the planet.
Good work.
Thank you. I genuinely appreciate every subscription. Without you guys, I'm just talking to myself.
Which bars have you got on that bike? They're sick
THE ONE from Pro Cycling. Video coming later today!
@@ChinaCycling twas a great video
Wheel building is easy. I built many wheelsets, mostly for mountainbiking, but the last couple years I've built some road wheels also. My last set of wheels, because they were carbon, I had a professional company who specializes in wheel building build them, I won't name them, but I got my wheels and they weren't perfectly true. I had to do some final tweeks myself. I do have the wheel building tools and a tension meter. Tools are worth the investment if you like doing your own maintenance on your bike. It's sad that people will tell you if you've never built a set of wheels you should not attempt it and have a builder or bike shop do it. I'm glad I don't listen to idiots. I highly recommend for anyone to try it. It's time consuming but fun.
Do you have a link for the wheelset?! :)
Can you fit 28mm tires on these?
Link please!?
Hi, wanted to ask are you still using this wheels? And do you have the link to the wheels that you bought?
The total weight for price paid was not too bad I had to spend about USD 450. Shipped for a set of disc wheels and 38x25. Mine were 1560.without tape.
the big difference with the wheels is actually the novatec hubs... spend a little extra for the DT's they offer
Interesting. Do you have a comparison? What did you experience? I also want to buy a wheelset and think about the R36 hubs. Anyone has experience with those?
HOW CAN I BUY THIS KIND SIR?
Hi, loved the video! Could you possibly post the links to get all the wheel parts from the sites from which you bought them? Cheers! Also I'm looking to find a good Chinese manufacturer that can provide me with a complete superlight climbing bike so if you have any opinion on this it would be great to hear it. All the best and keep up the great videos :)
What website can i get these from ?? My front 303 just cracked shipping it to mia from CO . now im dealing with that bs and its teaching me this may be the better option
Bad luck with the wheel dude. Try aliexpress
Respect and compliments. I too enjoy Novatec hubs and agree that pillar spokes are amazing; thank you for your videos.
How do I feel aboit it? Good.
Does anyone know what glasses the lady is wearing at 1:05?
100% Speedcrafts
@@christinej4121 Sweet Thanks!
any links to buy this wheelset?
Great content, however, can you share where we can purchase the products in your videos and get them to the US?
What's the link for the spoke app?
Holy shit mate! 50kg??? My dog is 55kg and no, he's not fat just a muscular Malamute. In fact I've slimmed down myself, I'm only 5' 10" and my body fat is down to 8 -10% so I'm lean really but still weigh 90kg. You must be a tiny wee fella.
Anyway to be fair it doesn't matter how big or little you are. Strong enough crosswinds with deepish rims can be a mare. I remember having my carbon bike blown from under me by a crosswind like a kite. I weighed around 96kg at the time. My rims were only 40mm deep so not huge. I exited a stretch of houses that was sheltering me somewhat and it was like being low tackled. Hit me like a scrum half.
Can you buy these wheels prebuilt? I'm not, nor want to become a wheelbuilder lol
Where can i buy these set of wheels sir? And how much would it cost me?thank you very much for your videos.
Just came across this video because I'm looking at upgrading my wheelset. Do you have the toabao link for that store?
I'm based in Sichuan.
Cheers man.
The link I used is now dead. I guess it got pulled down, but i'm sure it popped up again somewhere else.
Thanks for the reply. Always keen on your content.
Good on ya for building your own. I'd love to try someday
Do it. It's really theraputic.
Hi there China ... is your bike a real specialised ? Looks really awesome I have to say
Yeah, it's real ;)
Great video, will you give a review of any aluminum frames, that are in the market, I'm 200 + in weight still learning and 51 years old and trying to find a happy medium in road bikes cause my weight plays a big factor when it comes to getting into a road bike, keep up the great videos stay blessed and much success in your new business.
P.S. just subscribed hope to see more.
Cannondale Caad 12, Emonda ALR, Decathlon Ultra 900, Canyon Ultimate AL SLX...
What is the website name please
Thanks
Love the set-up, the eTaps the best! great project you've done there 👌 - also I've just acquired a 'Kask Infinity' helmet and it's pretty good - big fan of all China gear 👍
Can i get a link for that wheel?
which hub do they have?
Those novatec hubs are great.
"People says about stiffness of wheels" well, I don't know if a pair is stiffer than the other, but when they aren't stuff enough you'll recognize it very well, mine clearly flex too much in standing sprints
Making things that LOOK and PERFORM like a particular product is not illegal (for the most part as long as they are not identical) or immoral... using the stickers to brand them the same IS both ILLEGAL and IMMORAL.
No copy right laws in china, they see, they do.
Actually I think both the dimples as well as the saw tooth profile are patented. Not sure whether that patent covers China, but at least selling to US would also infringe some IP rights, even without those stickers.
Link to where you bought them please...
On taobao dot com search for l轮圈 NSW
China Cycling do they ship to Canada?
How can i order one? including the integrated bar.
Good video and review...give your thoughts after riding 3000km (before I decide to buy too)
Thnx for all the tips! I ‘m more and more into building and maintaining my own bikes and thus buying the parts instead of the complete package is the way to go. And I don’t care for brands much, more for genuine innovation, which costs money... as such I steer away from that too until proven to work.
The price difference is of course steep, but for that you get an assembled and tested product, which is something to pay for. As such I still won’t buy Chinese goods without some proper reviews that seem real, which is where your video’s help! But after that, building assembling stuff yourself makes a bike more your own achievement!
Where did you buy the rims and the stickers? Nice video!!
Taobao
Nice Video! Seems to be a very considerable option, at least in areas where the wheels are available. Really looking forward to the one bar video ;) SUBSCRIBED
That paint job is so slick.
Nice build. I've also been riding the same Saw tooth clinchers for about a year. I'm running Powerway R13 hubs on them. I'm a 78kg rider so impact on braking is much larger. The rims squealed like stuck pigs when braking. So toeing the shoes and centering on the brake track was super important. Also changed from the Shimano Dura-ace shoes to Lifeline shoes worked better, these are a slightly softer compound. But between each race I need to clean the brake track and sand down the shoes to remove any glazed areas from high temp. build up. All in all I'm quite happy too. Although I can't help but think what the Original hubs and brake track efficiency would be like in comparison.
What do you use to clean the brake track? I've not noticed any build up yet, but it's the middle of winter, so maybe temps are lower.
@@ChinaCycling I might be a little pedantic with this but it has helped in my case. I just use dish wash liquid and a cloth or scourer to try remove the compound build up. Depending on how much I've been able to remove I then use a toothpick for the grooves. It's seriously tedious work but somewhat therapeutic the night or nights before a race. I've been toying with the idea of using a hairdryer to try soften the residue before rubbing it off. However I've not yet tried this method. Perhaps on my next cleaning mission. I'm in Jo'burg South Africa, with quite a warm climate so my brake wear might be amplified compared to yours.
Good vid. Price difference is amazing. Weight difference not the significant to me. (What is a "small" 30k loop, though? What's a large 30k loop like? ;-)
Great video. Quite tempted to buy a set and use the saving yo pay my favourite wheelbuilder to build them for me as I'm low on skill and low on time.
Do you know how to order a set of these wheels in the USA.?
Ali Express bro
I just got a truing stand, so im new at building wheels.
i woold like to build a set with chineese products.
can you put me in a direction how to get them in Belgium without to much feez?
Awsom wheelset btw.
Aluminium frame with carbon wheels and Sram etap ???
That alu frame is stiffer than most carbon ones, including the 2019 Specialized Tarmac. Great frame for shorter races.
Can I have the link to buy the rims spokes and hubs
here are the rims: item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=19910211215 (you may have to login to view)
I would rather have a different set of rims, in independent testing done by hambini and a few other people they found the 454’s were got garbage being beat by even the 303’s. Your yoeleos were like 5watts faster at 30kph so I wouldn’t bother changing to these
Nice helmet. what is it? I've the same cube agree as your friend
Ranking R1X - I like it. Keeps me super cool in the summer...not a problem now!
i need a full carbon rd bike.
Love the fork. What's the story on that?
Limited edition specialized colourway.
@@ChinaCycling Love the handlebars, what brand is it? I'm excited for the video on them.
Bruce, specialized make them like that
Please do update on the wheels - it's been a while, hope you didn't get hurt on them.
Wheels are fine but sitting unridden. I have too many other wheels / bikes to review. Busy busy busy!
@@ChinaCycling Glad you're ok buddy
No link?