Edo Itachi sealing Nagato in the gourd is probably one of the most cruel things that has ever happened in Naruto. Nagato was ripped out of the pure lands against his will, forced to fight against Naruto, B, and Itachi, and then his soul is damned to the land of drunken dreams forever. And so was the sacrifice used to bring Nagato back. And now since Itachi is back in the pure lands, he can't even release him from the gourd, so Nagato is stuck there. Forever.
Why can't itachi free him? I don't think there's anything saying itachi can't use jutsus in the pure lands. And most techniques can be released. So my headcannon is itachi released him back in the PL!😢😢😢😢
@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw I think the fact that Madara needed someone else to use Rinne Rebirth on him confirms that jutsu don't work there, or at least not the way we understand them. Otherwise, someone like Madara could just bring themselves back. And someone like Tobirama could probably figure out a jutsu to bring himself back, too, like a weird reverse summoning/edo tensei combo.
shikamaru is definitely one of the smartest characters, that doesn’t necessarily mean he could beat everyone in a fight. what comes with intelligence is knowing what fights you can and can’t win and what you need to win them. shikamaru has always been more of a threat in the role of a tactician or leader than a warrior. which is why i think he was the perfect option for leading the retrieval mission
I've always said theres three characters that have the potential to be stupidly OP so they need a weakness those three characters are naruto, Gaara and Shikamaru. Naruto is already crazy powerful he cant have intelligence like gaara or shikamaru otherwise it would be too much. Gaara they needed to remove the one tails from him because with his intelligence and having the amount of chakra and sand abilities already again to much. And finally shikamaru needed to be lazy because a shikamaru that cares again would be to much. Nick down played shikamaru abilities he gave up in the chunin exams because he didnt care even though he could have won the higher ups recognised this and still promoted him. After the shinobi war his girl was annoyed that he was still chunin because he has the potential to be higher than that he just didnt care
@@EM-bi7en gaara has got a lot of chakra but having a tailed beast always makes you stronger. And future gaara becomes stupid strong he ends having gold sand imagine having one tail beast as well and this will be the one tail beast that actually likes and gets along with gaara we all know when a tail beast actually likes their jinchuriki they give them access to their abilities upgrade the jinchuriki abilities e.g naruto and killer bee
In my opinion, the smartest character from Naruto is Itachi. Okay, maybe he wasn't that smart when he killed his clan as a child but he had the excuse that he was a child at the time, but apart from that as a young adult, he was smart and superior in every fight and his plans worked. Even if they didn't work out like the plan with Naruto, it was an advantage and meant that he was able to dissolve Edo Tensei in the end. As he said himself, every jutsu has its weak point. There is no such thing as invincible. He was like Batman^^ That's why he had to die from an illness like every overpowered character.
I can't even say he did much for the tailed beast. You know what the ability of Chomei, the seven tails is? Really bright scales and flying? Many of the Tailed Beasts kind of have lackluster abilities. They just have lots of chakra and the bijuudama.
A healthy Kimimaro, at the point he was in the story would be a menace. His taijutsu and durability alone would make him a threat to most ninja. He got completely parked when village ninjas started walking around in chakra mechs and manipulate dimensions. For his time though, a beast for sure.
“Rips out his own spine for use as a sword” “Can create an entire battlefield made of bone, which he can control at will” But yeah.. he’s totally just a taijutsu guy. That busted kekkei genkai had nothing to do with it..
I chose Shino way back when the show was first airing. Never met anybody else that even gave him a second thought until recently you see praise all over... it feels very weird now
@@bygone8676 i loved shino too. Thought the whole bug thing was cool and different and wanted to see more of him but i agree its weird to se alot of ppl now appreciateing him
Yeah, and Kakuzu especially was one of the most egregious sacrifices to the plot in the whole series. It’s impossible to gauge what they were truly capable of because the narrative needed them to die before it ever bothered to properly explore them.
Had the same feeling. Kimimaro is one of my favourite characters and both of them should've stayed for longer, as they had that unique "something". I also remember my eyes getting foxy when they showed Kakuzu with his long, straight and dark hair in sight🌙
@@Sir_Poohheartthat arc hidan arc was supposed to be longer but the editor was rushing kishimoto to end because of time remember he was working in the weekly manga and he had to dilver in time and kishimoto was in the hospital and got injured
@@raisingfalcon that what happens this arc was supposed to be longer but the editor was rushing him to end it because of the weekly manga time limit so kishimoto has to deliver and he was in the hospital that what happened
"Further advanced his medical ninjutsu knowledge" is a fancy way of saying Kabuto did a ton of human experimentation before turning the chakra scalpel on himself.
Regarding the shikamaru novels... didnt it state that because he spent so much time behind a desk that his skill in ninjutsu has deteriorated. He was essentially weaker than his war arc self.
@SSKe214 yeah pretty much, narutos time as hokage(before boruto) is pretty much spent exclusively behind the desk. They had just finished a war and he was working to maintain peace w the other lands. In early boruto, sasuke was saying narutos movement has become sluggish. The same thing happened w shikamaru essentially bc hes narutos strategist. The ones that kept their skills sharp were sasuke n kakashi. Check out sasukes light novel(now manga) and kakashis light novel as well theyre dope.
@jaydagoat8503 thats where it gets kinda muddied right?? Because shikamaru is never really powerful. I mean the entire series he was punching upwards and still manage to take out charcter 10x stronger than him. He can certainly be a threat to anyone who isnt god tier in naruto lol. Even in "weakened state" he still manage to catch 5 kages off guard. With naruto being the only person able to break out(nc mentioned gaara but i dont remember) mind u gaara and naruto have damn near unlimited chakra.(i think ginkaku broke out as well, but his chakra is also immense) And he still caught the other 3 dead to right. I think shikas character is fine.. i will concede that his intelligence got dwarfed in part 2 when characters like itachi kakashi kabuto hell even sasuke are more fleshed out. But those individuals are literally some of the most powerful beings in the verse lol.
Most people dont think shikamaru is crazy strong. But the reason people love him is because he is so real. 1. One of the few people who didnt judge naruto jist because of others. 2. He avenged his sensei. 3. He was able to keep the team together and encourage choji to fight. And last, the one i ride on thr MOST. 4. Just imagine...your sensei already died, and your father, the man who comforted you, loved you, taught you to think for yourself has died. And you could see the massive explosion that killed you and your friends fathers. Because youre fight in A WARRRR, you were dragged in. And instead of falling to his knees and crying like he did with asuma...my man looks at his friends..looks at ino, and my man straight up says no time to grieve, save youe tears for later we got a mf JOB TO FINISH. and he is on GO MODE. Shikamaru isn't loved because hes strong, he is loved because hes not strong but still shows up, and gone show out.
I agree with all that but shikamaru isnt strong because he was lazy and he needed to be lazy otherwise he would be too much. If this was shikamaru's level when he doesn't care I'm sorry he would have been been super OP if he was the sort of character that gave a crap. He was the only genin to be promoted to chunin when he gave up in the middle of his fight that he could have won because he was tired and couldnt be bothered. He managed to beat an immortal akatsuki who I'm sorry only needs to stretch you and then he can sacrifice you and say what you want about hidan but he was no small fry due to being immortal his was a menace with that weapon. Shikamaru isnt over hyped at all in fact all he's shown is what potential he has and if he made an effort he would have been a very dangerous guy its implied in the anime
Thank you for this comment. I was just thinking that Shikamaru's usefulness or battle skills aren't why I love him so much. It's his personality. He mans up to his responsibility, he takes care of his friends, he doesn't judge ANYBODY, views everybody as an equal, EVEN CONSIDERING SASUKE A COMRADE, AND Shikamaru knows what is most important in the ninja world.
I mean, early in the story, Shikamaru made sny remarks and wasn't present in Naruto's life as a childhood friend or anything like that., his "didn't judge" him came way later and got retconned into "was always friendly" towards Naruto.
While I agree immensely about the sannin NOT being in their prime back during the 2nd war, I think there may be severe translation confusion about Sakumo. If you check the manga translation, it only says he had respect on the same level as the sannin. In both dub and sub on Hulu, Minato is referencing the “sannin” title as paling in comparison to the “white fang” title. So ultimately, Minato is only referencing titles. Not raw power. So Minato never says Sakumo could take all 3 Sannin in a fight. I think people take that translation too far to hype Sakumo for more than what he is. Additionally, the Sannin during the 2nd war were probably closer to Kakashi/Gai/Kabuto level. They each definitely got way stronger as they grew older. Tsunade didn’t have Mitonic regeneration. Orochimaru didn’t have reanimation, forbidden jutsu, and his mutant snake abilities. Jiraiya didn’t know the Rasengan or vast knowledge of ninjutsu.
Didn't Sakumo came from the same generation as the Sannins? 1. If the Sannins weren't in their prime during that time, what makes you think Sakumo was? For Sakumo to have the same respect as the Sannins is damn impressive considering he came from an ordinary clan/family and had a non-hokage sensei.
Are we all forgetting my guy kimimaru and how he basically did what garra did during their fight…and completely changed the landscape. Like that bone field attack was terrifying, just as scary as garras sand burials
My list would be 1. Shisui- He is literally just a plot device for Itachi's story more than anything 2. Tobirama- He has some cool aspects about him but we barely learn anything about him 3. Fugagku- Barely has any feats and again, don't know anything about him but he has a lot of fans for some reason. 4. Sakumo- Literally all of his hype is based on 1 statement of him being stronger than Sanin I disagree with Shikamaru on this list because I don't think he is massively overscaled by most people, everyone just likes him because he is the only one of the side characters in the Konoha 12 who gets any character development after part 1 LOL
@@shaq9116 I thought about that but I think most people recognize Neji got shafted in Shippuden the same way as Rock Lee, whenever people say they like Neji/Rock Lee they are talking about the pt. 1 versions, who are not overrated imo.
"Bones won't stop you from being buried by Earth Release." Tell that to Gaara, because Kimimaro was buried by his sand--which while yes is Magnet Release and not Earth release--for the sake of physics, its effectively Earth Release. Kimimaro was able to survive and escape. So...yeah his bones indeed will stop him from being buried by Earth Release, or at least make him able to survive and escape it.
I wanna take a second to talk about UNDERHYPED characters. My personal favorite being Asuma Sarutobi. He’s arguably one of the best original senseis and he was also probably one of the least focused one characters like Neji and Rock Lee
My favorite UNDERHYPED character is Chiyo. She fought Hanzo several times in her Prime and should win on paper with her abilities. We really need flashbacks on rivalries during the Great Ninja Wars
I definitely see Asuma and Chiyo up there! My fav underhyped character would be Suigetsu. Man took a tailed beast bomb to the face and survived! He's so underdeveloped story wise, honestly it's just sad
@@YukiSoulassassin YESSIR SUIGETSU IS ANOTHER! The Hidden Mist Village in general has enough lore to be its own spinoff. We also got nothing on his brother Mangetsu and what little we know about Gengetsu makes the Hozuki Clan in general so cool
I will say that while Kimimaro is overhyped at times, I would still say it is justified and that he would have been quite a bit stronger if he wasn’t sick. First of all we do have a lot of statements about his prowess that put him at the very least around high Jonin characters like Kabuto or Kakashi. First we are shown that he was involved in the plot to assassinate the fourth Kazekage, fighting alongside Orochimaru and Kabuto. This version of Kimimaro would have still been weakened by his illness as he immediately collapses after the fight, showing that even in that state he was still capable of fighting kage level shinobis. Later in the show we are told by Kabuto that if Kimimaro wasn’t sick then he and Orochimaru could’ve easily defeated Hiruzen. This implies that 1)Kimimaro was as strong if not stronger than Kabuto as Kabuto didn’t try to help Orochimaru against Hiruzen and 2)he can engage characters with more than taijutsu as Hiruzen has a mastery over the 5 chakra natures. Since Kabuto was stated to be equal to Kakashi then it is safe to asume that Kimimaro is as at least as strong if not stronger than part one Kakashi without his illness. This is not the only showcase of his power in the manga as an edo Kimimaro is shown holding his ground against a clone of KCM Naruto who holds enough power to fight and even defeat kage level characters. I don’t want to get into too much speculation of how strong this Kimimaro it but it is really impressive that he not only fought this naruto but also just lasted long enough to not be sealed until Itachi released the edo tensei. This shows that the illness that he sustained against Gaara and Lee was really affecting his ability to fight and that he was no where near his full power during that fight. After all Kabuto did say that Kimimaro shouldn’t be able to move, much less fight in the state that he was in.
I think the itachi thing is the one shotting. 13 year old itachi one shots Orochimaru shown to beat kage, new resurrection Orochi gets one shouted by the super special god weapons, Nagato the same and the kabuto after him. It’s aggravating him not having peers and not having full struggle fights.
@@QGUUNovals go over the anime by default you know this right? And this is a real thing but they are incorrect about the joining w Obito in his Eye of the moon plan he was 13 and half of turning 14 when he joined
@@NoKapExorochimaru shit his pants every time he thought of itachi and blatantly declared itachi was stronger than him, they did "actually fight" when he tried stealing itachi's body, itachi won that fight, in fact he won so hard orochimaru defected the akatsuki. Also in boruto orochimaru is probably a lot stronger considering he researched a LOT more jutsu and stuff about hashirama cells.
Over hyped or not. It never made sense to me that one (excluding Obito) person can kill the entire Uchiha clan. I know Itachi is extremely strong but the Uchiha clan is not a push over. A battle like that....at very least Itachi should have some scars.
@@QGUUobito did not do the heavy lifting buddy😂 obito killed non combatants(mostly women and children) itachi killed all soldiers and fighters. Obito did basically nothing. In fact he was included in it just because fans was not buying that itachi was a good person after killing all the uchiha
@@AlexJones-zc4qfwhy do you itachitards do this? Obito was shown taking on the Uchiha police force while itachi took on the villagers including his parents. Why are you suddenly changing the narrative or you only watched Naruto on reels?
Why do fanboys turn every simple conversation into power scaling. Once your favorite character is not winning or hyped they quickly turn it into a power scaling debate and the tards would even go to the extreme by lying and trying to change what is in the story just to push their agenda.
Totally agree that Shikamaru is an incredibly intelligent strategist, but also definitely agree with him being hyped up too much. It's similar to how people are always like, "Batman can beat anyone as long as he has enough prep time." No actually, they can't just beat literally anyone no matter how much prep time they have.
batman also has insane battle IQ wayyy more the shikamaru like batman is a genius in and out of combat. with prep time batman only does better but he’s still busted even without prep time
@@pm5085 Undoubtedly yes, he is a genius in and out of combat, and has a higher battle IQ than Shikamaru, but he's still not unbeatable. No matter how much prep time he has. They alone could not beat absolutely anyone. They could probably hold off more powerful opponents long enough to safely retreat, but I think that their biggest strengths lie in utilising ALL of their resources available to them. That meaning, it includes how Batman is better able to figure out strategies utilising the powers of any fellow superheroes, and Shikamaru can strategise with the abilities of other ninjas to come up with incredible plans of attack, better than sometimes even they can.
@@Budders23 completely agree. i don’t think either can “beat anyone with prep time”. i’m mostly saying batman superior to shikamaru BIQ wise and probably on par IQ wise if not better and still can’t beat everyone, so why would shikamaru be able to. it’s a ridiculous argument for both of them especially shikamaru. also in the naruto universe there are so many insanely high IQ and BIQ characters that may not be as smart as shikamaru but their powers are just insane. Like even with prep time i don’t know if Shikamaru would ever come close to even beating pain at least without people to help him. if u replaced naruto with shikamaru in that fight he’s done for even with prep time
@@pm5085 I would definitely agree with that. So I guess we're just two people saying some of the reasons why we agree with him being on this list? Hahaha
Yeah kimi falls into the itachi sickness that fight with garra and Lee was him getting off his death bed for one last fight. That is fucking insane. Imagine him healthy and allowed to grow beyond a teenager.
*replying because I saw "Kimi" in your comment and that's how I've named my late tomcat, who really was Kimimaro in feline form* I remember being 9 or 10 years old and tearing up while seeing Kimimaro gone. Not only he had a handsome design and some of the most fascinating powers in the entire series, but also an emotional backstory. He deserved so much better. I'm glad at least he experienced Orochimaru's loving touch.
Okay, hear me out: Itachi's Susanoo was the first mention of Susanoo we saw in the story. Maybe it's not "incomplete" but just "enough for the task"? I don't think the author already planned for complete and winged and sparkly Susanoos yet by that time.
Its kind of weird thou that they didnt give Madara and Sasuke legendary named weapons like Itachi if they are part of the Sussannoo. Like yes Sasuke got the bow, and Madara his sword but even as reincarnations of demigods they never got hax weapons or a shield like that. Wich is especially odd given Itachis main focus was Genjutsu, and Madaras his Sussannoo. And Madaras outscales evrn Indras, and by raw power could propably break itachis with serval area of effect slices that also strike around the shield with its force. But he still was the only one getting random devine weapons essencially. So i guess Kishi had diffrent plans back then, and planned Itachi as a villan. Thrn changed alot and forgot about the Totska Blade and Yata Mirrors significance.
What I think about Kakuzu is that he might have nerved himself and hasn't used Earth Grudge Fear to it's fullest potential. If he can reattach limbs and Hidans head he should've been capable to snatch atleast one Sharigan or other ocular jutsu in his really long life and just plucked it in. Considering Rin implanted obitos eye in Kakashi almost like it was nothing this should've worked ... I think. The other thought that I had was why limit yourself to the basic 5 elements. He should've been strong enough to kill a couple Kekkei Genkai users and steal their hearts giving him their Kekkei Genkai. Go into the Land of Water find a Yuki clan member kill them steal their heart, now he should have Ice release as his ability to create the mask is limited only by the nature of his victims heart. Like he could have had one Sharingan, one Byakugan, Ice Release, Mud Release, Lava Release, Boil Release and Earth Release. This Kakuzu would've been an absolute menace. This obviously only works if his puppets aren't tied to the basic elements but since that was never stated I think he was just stupid.
I agree but if you think about it he only cares about money, most of his life he would probably be doing bounties and just getting powerful fighting against the waterfall village I think. He doesn't know or care about in his eyes that's unimportant
@@maalikserebryakov no no no although kakuzu is smart I feel he wouldn't go as far as dougutsu maybe 1 or 2 kekkai genkai but other than that I don't think kakuzu knew how to use earth grudge fear like @letstec said and maybe it doesn't absorb kekkai genkai
I read a fanfic where Kakuzu trained Naruto and gave him EGF. Naruto in that fic used it to get kekkai genkai and saved Kakuzu after death by giving him a heart.
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34:53 Tsunade got her Byakugo seal before the begining of part 1. The 3 sannin that stalemated Hanzo and are stated to be weaker than Sakumo were not in their peak. Sakumo should be kage level due to the statements, he should be around the same level as Hanzo, who was the leader of a village and was fairly strong since he fought Prime Chiyo and his word made 3 randoms feared worldwide. No feats tho, which i hate.
I only agree that Shikamaru is over hyped if anyone is crazy enough to believe he alone wins any fights. No, what Shikamaru has is strategy, he personally doesn't need to win any fight aside from his revenge on Hidan, he just needs to ensure the win conditions with the least amount of casualties on his side, and THAT is what he delivers on in every fight he's in. He doesn't have to win, he just has to achieve the best possible outcome, which, he arguably does in every single battle he's in, even the times he got saved by someone he wasn't even expecting, because of his stall tactics, and because he managed to catch his enemies off guard, and because he was able to trap people exactly as he planned, he managed to hold off until reinforcements arrived. It's important to consider, Village Shinobi are not Freelance Mercenaries, they are soldiers. No one is going to complain that a battle in a war was won only because the winning side received reinforcements, like... duh? What kind of wars are you fighting where you want to win and yet you don't use your troops in the best possible distribution? It's poignant to bring up him catching all the Kage off guard because even though he's in no position to threaten them, he doesn't need to be, he's the strategist. If your plan is to lure an enemy somewhere they can be bombed or sniped, it doesn't matter if you yourself are not the one doing the bombing or sniping, as long as you got the enemy where you needed them to be. It's actually embarrassing that the Kage could let their guard down and got ambushed by such an obvious one-trick pony, because even if they could break out or not, the instant they got captured meant they were vulnerable. So, I kind of agree and disagree that he is over hyped. I guess it makes sense why he is on the bottom of the list of dishonorable, but realistically, no one is saying Shikamaru solos Kaguya with prep time. Sure, realistically he COULD have helped give the same exposition and observation every other character gave in the Kaguya fight, but he didn't need to be there, and he wasn't going to influence the fight at all. Now, BECAUSE unfortunately there are people who DO believe Shikamaru solos Kaguya with prep time and like Choji's food pills or Naruto 1 tails cloak buff or something ridiculous like that, then yeah, he is over hyped by people who don't understand the nuance of his character.
I still stand by Shikamaru, but less as a "best brain best boy" sort of thing and more as an "underdog using his wits to overcome unfavorable odds". Not impossible odds. The fact that his scope is fairly grounded is actually part of his appeal for me, partially because I liked Naruto better before everybody was a super wizard who could also punch good.
For me I like shikamaru because his character implies he could better than the level his on but cant be bothered to train and if he did he would be OP. If this is shikamaru level when he's lazy then if he wasnt people would be in trouble
Kimimaru's power essentially depends if he would eventually gain access to the All-Killing Ash Bones, as his technique is descended from Kaguya, and she's the only other person with his technique. If he could eventually have unlocked it he becomes a massive threat, if not he would have remained roughly where he was.
Are we not going to talk about how Madaras plan wasn't his, but Black Zetsus? Yes, he told Obito to bring him back, but Obito went a different direction. And I believe it was Black Zetsu that "gave" Kabuto the idea where Madara was, surprising Obito.
black zetsu was behind basically every major event in world history since his creation and all with the soul purpose of unsealing kaguya and no one gives him the credit he deserves for that.
That’s because Black Zetsu is legit somehow responsible for every conflict between Indra and Ashura’s descendants ever, despite the fact that we legit see no evidence that he was ever spotted by the Senju, Uchiha, Hyuuga, or the Uzumaki before he began pretending to be Madara’s Will. Also, why wouldn’t Madara just destroy the world and send everyone to the Pure Lands? It legit would’ve been more peaceful than what he planned, which would have trapped everyone in a Genjutsu until their bodies withered away and died, thus leaving everyone dead anyway.
@@DoomzdehBecause Madara is arrogant and stupid, that's the point, the guy was so confident in himself because of his strength that he never stopped to think about the moral implications of anything, he talks about peace while killing everyone around him, he doesn't care for peace at all but he has his head so far up his own ass that he doesn't realize that all he wants is a egotistical achievement of being able to do what gods can, not achieving peace. If he wanted peace he would have stayed at the Leaf and tried to reason stuff instead of going away to seek more power.
@Doomzdeh the second half of that equation was not actually known by him. The revelation that the infinite tsukuyomi drains the chakra of its victims is a later development, made known by kaguya. For all he knew, it really was just a dream world. Your point still stands though.
I find the Nagato and Kakuzu being similar argument to be very funny. “There are more than 1 so therefor same” as if shooting fire and other elemental releases from the ads is the same as bringing people back from the dead, summoning huge creatures, almighty push etc
Yeah, Kakuzu never seemed very strong to me at all.. Like top 5 akatsuki I even feel is a stretch.. Hard to say how strong orochimari was while in the akatsuki I guess. The zetsu's suck of course. hidan isn't anything special. So the only significant threats he reasonably beats that we know their strength of is deidara and sasori.. and I'm actually not sure he can beat them... deidara could at least tie him with his C4. All of his little clay doll things could likely match up with kakuku's 5 masks... deidara has like dozens of them and can always make more with much more in his kit. He has a bomb that can blow up he sand village so that's pretty damn good. Hell he can stay on his bird thing and drop bombs and kakuzu couldn't even hit him... so I don't think he can really beat deidara. Sasori's 300 puppets could be a match too vs 5 masks.. some are a lot easier to kill with his aoe attacks though so kakuku likely stands a chance. but even according to the databooks he ranks lower than sasori.. Puppets really arent that great besides his few that have their own powers. If he went up against anyone with significant ninjutsu he probably woudln't get very far (only had a somewhat interesting fight since he went up against granny and sakura who both mainly have physical attacks)
@@userasdfcompletely agree with all of that. I actually believe Kakuzu is one of the weakest members of Akatsuki. Damn, even Konan could give him some good fight 😭
Kakazu‘s and Hidan’s main claim to fame is how goddamn persistent they are. But when it comes to pure firepower, they aren’t really all that special. I mean, compared to the other members of the Akatsuki who can split oceans, create bombs that can pretty much erase almost anything (except for big snakes, I guess… god, that moment was so bad), create miniature planets, level entire countries in one attack, literally warp reality and so on, an old man with too many hearts made of silly string doesn’t seem that powerful
@Hyperion_Factor you trying to say that Deidara survived the C-0? An attack where he literally turns himself into a bomb that can erase anything on a subatomic level? I don’t think he survived that… And if you’re talking about Sasuke surviving, yeah it was ridiculously stupid cause A: Sasuke shouldn’t have been able to summon Manda in that timeframe given how exhausted he was, and… B: Manda should‘ve absolutely been erased as well. But I already said so in my original comment. And even then, it pretty much erased an entire forest/countryside. It’s still one of the most purely destructive jutsu‘s/attacks we’ve ever seen (at least until the war arc and everything after that). ABD EVEN THEN, it’s STILL A LOT MORE POWERFUL than ANYTHING that our dear mister silly-string has ever pulled off. I cannot in good faith even see a resemblance of a point that you could be trying to make at this point in time nor in the near-to-distant future. Not even a smidgen
@Hyperion_Factor … have you read the rest of my comment, perchance? Or did you just mindlessly start writing your comment the second you finished reading the very first sentence?
Not saying Sakomo is like Otsotsuki level in power or anything, but in defense of him, even though they’re comparing him to the sannin before they were at their peak, it is also said that the sannin become twice (or maybe three times? Can’t remember) as skilled when they’re working together, and considering the fact that they very explicitly use the terms “Three Sannin Combined”, I have to imagine that Sakomo was probably as strong as our current Kakashi. And that’s *really* strong.
No offense but this is an extremely poor understanding of the powerscaling in naruto While the sannin might be proficient as a unit, Hanzo the salamander on his own was able to handle the 3 Sannin along with their squad. I say this to show that a Kage level opponent could easily deal with the 3 sannin along with other ninja, which scales the combined teamwork of the sannin as below kage level by quite a margin. I’d also like to point out that Sakumo was never stated to be kage level only that he’s stronger than the 3 sannin combined which was shown to be below kage level. Realistically sakumo is at least on par with a single sannin after their dissolution right before the beginning of naruto and at most low kage level. But he’s certainly not anywhere near the level of kakashi, there’s literally no evidence for it. (I also wanna point out that I used the Hanzo the salamander fight to scale them because that’s the only time they were shown fighting as a unit, and the only war where the Sannin and sakumo fought in, tsunade would develop hemophobia during this same war but in a different battle. So needless to say this was the peak of the 3 sannin as a group before their dissolution . So we know for a fact that when speaking about sakumo as stronger than the combined sannin they are referring to this point in time)
You have to remember that this was said back when the Third Hokage was the strongest Hokage of all time and yet used no techniques besides a Summons. And during the time when Hashirama and Tobirama were reanimated only to be the lamest ninja ever. And when Shukaku, a literal lightweight by the end of the series, was capable of killing legit any Suna Jonin that came across him. Sakumo was equated to the Sannin in a time in the series where the power scaling hadn’t gone crazy yet. He was likely about as strong as Kakashi in Early Shippuden.
All I'll say about Madara Vs Kaguya is that in the Databook description for Aminomanaka, it states that the amount of chakra required to perform the Aminomanaka Jutsu is so much that only Kaguya had enough chakra to use it, meaning Madara even if he has access to it does not have the chakra capacity to use it, so exactly what would Madara do when Kaguya switches him to another dimension, like the acid dimension.
@@AncientChi Kaguya can also fly plus Madara can't Kamui away the bone spikes, the second she teleports him into the gravity dimension and hits him with the bone spikes, Madara is a goner. If he gets teleported to the acid dimension he just dies because he is surrounded by acid so potent that Rinnegan Sasuke(who has a Perfect Susanoo) thought he would die immediately if he was teleported there instead of the desert. So even though Madara is stronger then this Sasuke, it's very questionable how much that would help him against acid this potent and in that large a quantity.
Kakazu I main problem is the arbitrary limit of hearts he can have and that he was not allowed to actually show off multiple jutsu from each element and the interesting combos they could have done. He has that 1 real fight did not showcase all of my abilities the way the longer fight with say Sasori did which is a scheduling editing problem in the anime industry.
Shikamaru is definitely my favorite character but I'm not by any means under any illusions that he's a particularly strong character ability wise. He's just an awesome character with cool personality and abilities. Power scaling has nothing to do with my love for this character so for me I don't think he's overhyped at least by me. I can see how obnoxious some fans are, but that cool because Shikamaru is a dope character and he deserves the love.
21:04 kimmimaro didn't pull out his spine to use it as a sword tho, that was his arm's upper bone, his spine was used as a wip to hold gaara in place for his arm drill attack thing.
About Kimimaro, let's remember that during his fight against Gaara and Lee, he was supposed to be confined to bed to the point where he should not have been able to move but he stands up thanks to his strong will (it's like Lee when he stand up while being unconscious in his fight against Gaara) meaning his power level against them was INSANELY lower than what he would have been healthy.
He could have been 10x stronger and still barerly reach any character in shippuden. His bones also tops out at steel level which is nothing later on in naruto
@@shutup3338 We clearly don't know since we didn't see him struggle during his fight against the samurai army. The only debatable feat is him (and Chiyo) avoiding Naruto KCM1's rasengan.
Why does over hyped have to mean strong? I don’t know many ppl who honestly go around saying shikamaru could beat anyone with prep time. Yeah he’s smart but ask konan how prep time worked
I always feel the need to push back against people saying shooting lasers is a light speed attack- the laser moves at the speed of light yes, but their aiming position doesn’t- to dodge bullets you don’t dodge the projectile in flight, you predict your opponents movements and dodge right as they pull the trigger- while bullets aren’t speed of light, at near range they are still effectively instantaneous IRL, so the comparison holds
I actually thought Fugaku would be on the list. I've heard a lot of people say he would beat Minato in a fight which is crazy because from what was said and shown, Minato stomps him easily
@@seand7042 they weren't both Hokage candidates. Only Minato and Orochimaru were hokage candidates. The Uchiha clan were the ones who thought he should have been a Hokage candidate. Also, he didn't have a run on sight order like Minato. He simply earned the nickname "Wicked Eye Fugaku". While that is good for him, it isn't an impressive feat considering the fact that kid Kakashi also earned a nickname during that war " Copy Ninja Kakashi" or "Kakashi Of The Sharingan"
@@donsamseyyes people hype him because he's Itachi's father and an Uchiha majorly. While I don't think anyone except the hashirama, Madara going up calibre of people can defeat him "easily" he doesn't have any tangible feat to consider him in the same class as Minato. So I agree he's overhyped based on what I stated above.
This is why the top 100 was a terrible idea since people were just gonna pick their favorite character instead of actually picking someone like Sakumo who NEEDED a manga to flesh out the world and the war which frankly, we haven't seen enough of
@@NoKapEx Was that confirmed? ANd I can't wait for Sakura to get close to number 1 if not actually get number 1 this time because we somehow haven't seen enough of her
the real question is: HOW TF can one create such a huge world and not answering at least the biggest questions fans ask. Jokes asides, such huge worlds like Naruto's simply need or deserve some kind of way to clean up with all those small questions. We dont need a super long indepth Sakumo manga, but it would be nice to have at least some things. even if it's just an indepth databook entry. And Sakumo is by far the only question mark. What about the Namikase clan? And so on. Just give us some kind of a book of unfinished tales that addresses as many questions as possible, while elaboration just a little bit on each. I know from my own experience that one doesnt write a story and includes elements without zero thoughts. There must be at least a minimum of thoughts before a character like Sakumo gets presented to the story. If one introduces a strong character, one should have at least have a rough idea of the abilities, powers and so on. I can bet if one would ask "what did Sakumo do become famous" the answer will not be a one-liner "i have no idea i just needed a strong father for Kakashi who suicided". I'm sure there's even the sligthest bit of unreleased information that would answer the biggest questions about him. Same with the Namikase. Or Kisame's clan. Or hell, even Kakashi's mask. I bet even here there's an answer that simply was not decided to make publicly. Or at least there's an idea of how important it should be, or there would be a reasonable answer that could be build retrospectively to make sense. I really hope there would be some kind of amalgamation of really short stories or whatever to answer all these questions and fill up all those holes in the huge puzzle that the Naruto world is
Didn't Edo Kimimaro survive an extended fight with a KCM 1 Naruto Shadow Clone in the War Arc? Idk I feel like if Itachi got stronger as an Edo, the same would apply to Kimimaro. Like obviously he's not like Nagoto making the real Naruto look like little bro but even with his ninjutsu weaknesses, I feel like a fight with a healthy Kimimaro in the Kage Summit arc would have been cool to watch
Survive is sorta ironic and a moot point since he needed to be sealed for proper defeat. Healthy Kimimaro vs Shippuden Gaara or perhaps another Kage seems interesting
And he probably couldn't use the cursed mark due to Orochimaru being sealed and him being dead. So this was probably BASE Kimimaro's real power as a 15 YO teen.
I agree and don't with your Shikamaru point. Like, that "Give them prep time" is why I hate the Batman arguments, but Shikamaru was able to shadow choke hold all the Kage, even for a little bit. Naruto and Gara were able to break out relatively quick, but both of those are also disgusting, he did hold the other 3 Kage though. Likely he was too tired after holding them, which is why he couldn't break the tree.
So kishimoto couldn't think of a way to kill madara or really obito so he introduced an even more powerful character in Kaguya. that literally makes no sense
Tbf the reason Batman always wins with prep time isn't just his intelligence, it's the fact he's been shown to always be able to acquire whatever resources he needs as well. Shikamaru is significantly limited in this department. (Plus you need full information too and luck is still a factor, but Batman seems to randomly get those things too.)
I love Shikamaru. He's my favorite character. That said, I'll never buy a prep time power argument. It's an argument based around the fact that you need a trick or trap to overcome being weaker. It's cool that you can, but someone adaptable or unseen external events put you back to square one.
Faaaaccccttt oh my god I thought I was the only one that thought this. If shisui and sakumo are on the over hype list then where is minato. Minato is said to be this all powerful ninja father of naruto but we've never seen it all we saw is him die and wasnt able to save his wife in the ninja war he didn't do much we dont know much about his past yet he was voted most favoured character in the naruto universe...... isnt that the definition of over hyped
Most of the time id agree with everone here. But lets talk about Kimimaru. He was a taijutsu kenjitsu specialist with a kekkei genkai. He was 15 years old. He had a curse mark that he could take to level 2. He had Orochinaru teaining him to be his perfect vessel.who does that sound wayyyyy too familiar to? Our boy Sasuke. Had Kimimaru been healthy, he wouldve trained under Orochinaru with Sasuke. Sasuke uaed fire and lightning. Who's to say kimimaru wouldnt have had an affinity for earth and lighting release. Sasuke would have been his rival that Orochimaru favored andnwanted his body wvwn though kimimaru was willing to give him his. I really think he wouldve been equal to Sasuke at the start of Shippiuden. Then when sasuke unlocks MS, Kimimaru would have to try and find a way to upgrade his bone ability to try to equal Sasuke. If you wanna stop there, then whatever but i think the pre MS Sasuke is plenty powerful for the story up to that point. And if he upgrades and unlocks other abilities or some big brain way of using it, who knows how atrong he couldve become. I mean come on, his ability is one that Kaguya even used and effectively. Would love your thoughts on a story of if Kimimaru didnt die, reversed his sickness or whatever, and basically became Sasuke's rival.
Shikamaru was able to restrain all of them, even Naruto. Naruto was stated to only be able to get out of it due to Kurama (as always). Shikamaru was able to restrain limited Code and Kawaki, both stronger than Kuramaless Naruto.
I think one thing that adds on to Sakimo not being a complete god is that if he was then he probably wouldn’t have had to choose between his comrades and the mission.
well I acually think 3 eyes madara and Kaguya were equally strong, I mean in the anime hagoromo says : hes almost as strong as Kaguya while he had 1 rinnegan and the second eye "just" amplified his abilities. So I speculate they are equal and the end would have stayed the same without Kaguya, cuz if Kaguya was the strongest entity afterall they could have sealed madara instead of kaguya.
Orochimaru was introduced to Kabuto by Sasori, who originally had him as a spy before Orochimaru turned him. So, at some point before Orochimaru, but after his time in the Root Kabuto was working for Sasori in the Akatsuki. I'm not sure how it's possible 19 year old Kabuto has been in no less than 3 top secret organizations as well as spied on all 5 great nations, but he did.
It’s because that whole Sasori-Kabuto part of Shippuden was forced in just so that Kishimoto could introduce Yamato and Sai and therefore give insight into Danzo’s story and character arc for later. Kabuto was an important part of that, as he too gives insight into who Danzo is for his whole conflict with Sasuke later. That’s legit the only reason it was written. No valuable information was surmised from it (the list of Akatsuki members was useless, as it didn’t include all members and because most members died before it became relevant to fight back) and the whole arc felt very stilted and forced.
Trying to apply any logic to Naruto when Kishimoto himself can't write himself out of a wet paper bag is a waste of time. You guys put more thought into this stuff than he did lmao.
All Madara was a Pawn of another entity.... the ultimate troll in the animeverse ....imagine being Madara and realising you are not the big bad final boss .... you were just a tool ....a powerful one that is ....😅...
Darui may arguably also be “smarter” than shikamaru he’s capable of figuring out his most used word and second most used word to switch them out and stop himself from being absorbed by the six path tools used by kinkagu ginkaku and then seal them both in return that intelligence feat is honestly incredible cause it happens in the middle of the biggest war they’ve seen so having that tier of level headedness to even make that plan and then execute it places his intelligence on another level for me
Darui is easily one of the most under hyped in the show I wouldn’t say I can put him on a strength list but he’s definitely one of the most under hyped
No - let's be honest. Shikamaru would've figured it out immediately. At least in the Japanese dub. "What a drag" is one word in japanese so that would've been easy. But it was also cool when Darui switched his most used word, even if it was super convenient.
in my opinion rock lee was wayyyyyy over hyped just to get thrown in the trash, during the chunin exam he was said to be able to beat sasuke(with curse mark), and since he was held back his team should've plowed though Naruto, but they don't. He is said to have the mystical power of the lotus 8 gates but his skills seem trivial, as he even loses to gara. (I under stand why). But then later all he does is take L. Loses to Kimimaro, doesn't get screen time, might Gai does most of the work in kisame/akastuki fights, and his potential as a "taijutsui master that can't do ninjutsu" is thrown away as the moral of the neji vs Naruto fight its basically it doesn't matter about ur strength etc. But that idea is thrown away when rock lee shows up. Might Gai and his father dai both have incredible 8-gates strength they go against Madara and the 7 swordsmen of the mist. But then the 8-gates potential is forgotten when the power leveling gets to insane.
When you said Shikamaru I was like "WHYYYYYY????" but then you talked about what people say about him, and I'm like "😬😬😬😬 That's not MY Shikamaru...." He's one of my *favorite* Naruto characters BECAUSE he wasn't the strongest beatstick ninja. His options for combat and resources are limited, but his mind is his forever asset! He's not suppose to beat Sasuke, or even Sakura into submission; that's what the squad is for! He takes care of them, and they take care of him. The way he does it is just hilarious ([remembers Hidan] ...most of the time) and I love seeing how his mind works during these combat situations! 😊 Plus, he's relatable! Everything really do be a drag sometimes...
I am in it for these "another day, another chance to kick the Uchiha while they're down" Also I'm in the camp that Kabuto is overhyped, I don't feel like he is a character who deserved the spot in the series he was given, the concept of grafting infinite power onto yourself with medical ninjutsu strikes me as a bit of a copout. I also think him being able to fight and beat Tsunade while his nervous system was twisted by Tsunades technique is also complete hooey, the character is like the holy grail of bad writing. Besides I don't think them not killing kabuto has any merit to the fight, its not like its even possible because any time you kill Orochimaru or Kabuto they just molt the damage done to them and get away because they are nigh-invincible plot devices which is the only reason Orochimaru didn't get butchered at the bridge by tailed cloak naruto.
Wait a minute we discrediting Shikamaru because he might not be as smart as another genius who was kicking grown men's asses at the age of like 6? I don't know if that logic works Nick, but I will hear you out
I’ve had a question for a while now. Could itachi and sasuke just trade eyes and both have EMS? Or does there have to be a death? Cause it seems like it would have been easier for them, and possibly fugaku to just rotate eyes and all unlock EMS.
bruh, if Kimimaro wasn't sick/dead in OG he'd of had time to train just like everybody else. The "one trick pony" thing is also pretty misleading since he's basically just a spiky A, but with ranged attacks. The only problem is that Gaara could mostly ignore those ranged attacks. On the whole "that was his peak" that doesn't make since either, His bones were already crunchy looking and turned to dust from Gaaras sand shield, Also the further he went with the curse mark the slower and sloppier he got.
Applying Shippuden's scaling to Kimimaro makes the Akatsuki look like babies. Seriously this 15 YO guy was already stronger than Itachi and was not limited to 1 or 2 opponents at a time with his skillset, he could embarrass Konoha just like Pain did.
Good arguments for their strenghts but hype doesn't only come from strenght - it's mostly their character, their choices and interactions and many other facettes like their vibe, their appearance, their voice, their backstory and so much more. 😊
1. Itachi, while his character is cool I heavily disagree that he could have gone anywhere in terms of power. He has the brains but he doesn’t have much stamina to fight, and we don’t know the true extent of how badly he’s affected by his illness. I also think that his susanoo would just be the same as EMS sasuke’s since iirc sasuke lost his crossbow when he got the perfect susanoo anyway 2. Madara. Specifically 3 eye Madara. He is straight up featless aside from the infinite tsukuyomi, and he was heavily implied to lack the chakra to dimension hop like kaguya, and he never had any feats or statements of his power when he got the third eye, people just assume it’s a 10000% amp 3. Kakuzu. His sheer raw durability can solo the akatsuki 4. Might guy, specifically the eighth gate, I always see people that think he could beat dms kakashi but that’s just not happening 5. Minato, but his gap in terms of overrated is pretty spaced out from guy. People tend to overrate how smart he is since we’ve seen other people do what he did too, 2 of them being nobodies that are danzo’s guards that quickly found out a counter to kamui, and even boruto a 11-12 year old not only learned rasengan in a day but also accidentally did something that minato could never do, and then he proceeded to make 2 more rasengan variants, totaling 4 if we count the basic rasengan, or even 6 if we count momoshiki taking over his body and using rasenDan or some massive rasengan
Literally everything you just said about itachi is false. He never had stamina issues before he was sick. That just tells me you’re a casual. And sasuke didn’t lose his bow nor would itachi lose his weapons that makes no sense
@ mister delusional I never said itachi always had stamina issues, and I also never said sasuke flat out lost the bow. I’m saying his perfect susanoo doesn’t have the bow. Which is true
Edo Itachi sealing Nagato in the gourd is probably one of the most cruel things that has ever happened in Naruto. Nagato was ripped out of the pure lands against his will, forced to fight against Naruto, B, and Itachi, and then his soul is damned to the land of drunken dreams forever. And so was the sacrifice used to bring Nagato back. And now since Itachi is back in the pure lands, he can't even release him from the gourd, so Nagato is stuck there. Forever.
I always thought about that too. At least he had peace in his last seconds... "alive"
Shit,didn't even think off that. It can't be that bad in there
Why can't itachi free him? I don't think there's anything saying itachi can't use jutsus in the pure lands. And most techniques can be released. So my headcannon is itachi released him back in the PL!😢😢😢😢
But that was Edo Nagato, not alive Nagato, so wouldn't he just disappear when the Edo Tensei was released?
@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw I think the fact that Madara needed someone else to use Rinne Rebirth on him confirms that jutsu don't work there, or at least not the way we understand them. Otherwise, someone like Madara could just bring themselves back. And someone like Tobirama could probably figure out a jutsu to bring himself back, too, like a weird reverse summoning/edo tensei combo.
shikamaru is definitely one of the smartest characters, that doesn’t necessarily mean he could beat everyone in a fight. what comes with intelligence is knowing what fights you can and can’t win and what you need to win them. shikamaru has always been more of a threat in the role of a tactician or leader than a warrior. which is why i think he was the perfect option for leading the retrieval mission
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I've always said theres three characters that have the potential to be stupidly OP so they need a weakness those three characters are naruto, Gaara and Shikamaru. Naruto is already crazy powerful he cant have intelligence like gaara or shikamaru otherwise it would be too much. Gaara they needed to remove the one tails from him because with his intelligence and having the amount of chakra and sand abilities already again to much. And finally shikamaru needed to be lazy because a shikamaru that cares again would be to much. Nick down played shikamaru abilities he gave up in the chunin exams because he didnt care even though he could have won the higher ups recognised this and still promoted him. After the shinobi war his girl was annoyed that he was still chunin because he has the potential to be higher than that he just didnt care
@@acetrap Garaa was never shown to be even close to low on chakra, so taking Shukaku form him didnit really seem to do much.
@@EM-bi7en gaara has got a lot of chakra but having a tailed beast always makes you stronger. And future gaara becomes stupid strong he ends having gold sand imagine having one tail beast as well and this will be the one tail beast that actually likes and gets along with gaara we all know when a tail beast actually likes their jinchuriki they give them access to their abilities upgrade the jinchuriki abilities e.g naruto and killer bee
In my opinion, the smartest character from Naruto is Itachi.
Okay, maybe he wasn't that smart when he killed his clan as a child but he had the excuse that he was a child at the time, but apart from that as a young adult, he was smart and superior in every fight and his plans worked. Even if they didn't work out like the plan with Naruto, it was an advantage and meant that he was able to dissolve Edo Tensei in the end.
As he said himself, every jutsu has its weak point. There is no such thing as invincible.
He was like Batman^^ That's why he had to die from an illness like every overpowered character.
Kishimoto got so stuck on the Sharingan and tailed beast he forgot about all the other strengths in his story
Not exactly considering he still used othe jutsus in ploy important moments.
Don't forget hashirama cells
more like kishimoto only knows how to write overpowered magic eyes I swear they aren't even shinobi
@@zeroone2731 odd take considering he writes much more than that.
I can't even say he did much for the tailed beast. You know what the ability of Chomei, the seven tails is? Really bright scales and flying? Many of the Tailed Beasts kind of have lackluster abilities. They just have lots of chakra and the bijuudama.
It's crazy to me that we could've had an actual one shot specifically about Sakumo and got to learn a lot about him but now we may never get that.
We might see Sakumo in Minato's story since they both existed around the same time and were often compared "White fang or Yellow Flash"
@@user-vn9vf4mf3gwe won’t, one shot remember
@@user-vn9vf4mf3g Where's the brown streak though ☠️
same but the people got what they wanted 🙄
@@death-thresh9548ask your mother, she has most of your laundry
Shisui only had 2 panels in the Manga and is already one of the most popular characters in Naruto.
Your nicks biggest fan 💯
@@R-O-R-O-N-O-A_Z-O-R-OYour mom is my biggest fan
Hot damn get wrekt
No u
He is also a big fan of avatar the last Airbender
A healthy Kimimaro, at the point he was in the story would be a menace. His taijutsu and durability alone would make him a threat to most ninja. He got completely parked when village ninjas started walking around in chakra mechs and manipulate dimensions. For his time though, a beast for sure.
They would have given him some shit to justify a giant mecha shit made of bones
Jesus loves you ❤️ please turn to him and repent before it's too late. The end times described in the Bible are already happening in the world.
“Rips out his own spine for use as a sword”
“Can create an entire battlefield made of bone, which he can control at will”
But yeah.. he’s totally just a taijutsu guy. That busted kekkei genkai had nothing to do with it..
I still wonder how the story would go if Orochimaru took his body
At that point in the story, Kimimaro was the strongest villain Naruto had fought apart from Orochimaru.
Do an "underhyped" list of characters and if shino isn't on there ill be sad
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I chose Shino way back when the show was first airing. Never met anybody else that even gave him a second thought until recently you see praise all over... it feels very weird now
@@bygone8676 yeah
@@bygone8676 i loved shino too. Thought the whole bug thing was cool and different and wanted to see more of him but i agree its weird to se alot of ppl now appreciateing him
The problem with Kakuzu and Kimimaro is that they were set up to be something but never did anything with it in the story.
Yeah, and Kakuzu especially was one of the most egregious sacrifices to the plot in the whole series. It’s impossible to gauge what they were truly capable of because the narrative needed them to die before it ever bothered to properly explore them.
Had the same feeling. Kimimaro is one of my favourite characters and both of them should've stayed for longer, as they had that unique "something". I also remember my eyes getting foxy when they showed Kakuzu with his long, straight and dark hair in sight🌙
@@Sir_Poohheartthat arc hidan arc was supposed to be longer but the editor was rushing kishimoto to end because of time remember he was working in the weekly manga and he had to dilver in time and kishimoto was in the hospital and got injured
@@ayhamahmad2277i heard this. Kishimoto was told to end the hidan and kakuzu arc before it was meant to. It was suppose to be alot longer.
@@raisingfalcon that what happens this arc was supposed to be longer but the editor was rushing him to end it because of the weekly manga time limit so kishimoto has to deliver and he was in the hospital that what happened
Suigetsu will always be one of my top 5, the scene where he’s cut in half lives in my head rent free
"Further advanced his medical ninjutsu knowledge" is a fancy way of saying Kabuto did a ton of human experimentation before turning the chakra scalpel on himself.
I mean, Da Vinci did the same thing so I gotta respect the grind yknow
Regarding the shikamaru novels... didnt it state that because he spent so much time behind a desk that his skill in ninjutsu has deteriorated. He was essentially weaker than his war arc self.
@SSKe214 yeah pretty much, narutos time as hokage(before boruto) is pretty much spent exclusively behind the desk. They had just finished a war and he was working to maintain peace w the other lands. In early boruto, sasuke was saying narutos movement has become sluggish. The same thing happened w shikamaru essentially bc hes narutos strategist. The ones that kept their skills sharp were sasuke n kakashi. Check out sasukes light novel(now manga) and kakashis light novel as well theyre dope.
exactly but he is also saying shikamaru wasnt even powerful in the war arc
@@jaydagoat8503 well he wasnt maybe jonin level but thats it but lets be honest jonin are weak and anbu are overhyped and just useless
@jaydagoat8503 thats where it gets kinda muddied right?? Because shikamaru is never really powerful. I mean the entire series he was punching upwards and still manage to take out charcter 10x stronger than him. He can certainly be a threat to anyone who isnt god tier in naruto lol. Even in "weakened state" he still manage to catch 5 kages off guard. With naruto being the only person able to break out(nc mentioned gaara but i dont remember) mind u gaara and naruto have damn near unlimited chakra.(i think ginkaku broke out as well, but his chakra is also immense) And he still caught the other 3 dead to right. I think shikas character is fine.. i will concede that his intelligence got dwarfed in part 2 when characters like itachi kakashi kabuto hell even sasuke are more fleshed out. But those individuals are literally some of the most powerful beings in the verse lol.
@@Youknow6969able basically shikamaru is overrated
Most people dont think shikamaru is crazy strong. But the reason people love him is because he is so real.
1. One of the few people who didnt judge naruto jist because of others.
2. He avenged his sensei.
3. He was able to keep the team together and encourage choji to fight.
And last, the one i ride on thr MOST.
4. Just imagine...your sensei already died, and your father, the man who comforted you, loved you, taught you to think for yourself has died. And you could see the massive explosion that killed you and your friends fathers. Because youre fight in A WARRRR, you were dragged in. And instead of falling to his knees and crying like he did with asuma...my man looks at his friends..looks at ino, and my man straight up says no time to grieve, save youe tears for later we got a mf JOB TO FINISH. and he is on GO MODE.
Shikamaru isn't loved because hes strong, he is loved because hes not strong but still shows up, and gone show out.
I agree with all that but shikamaru isnt strong because he was lazy and he needed to be lazy otherwise he would be too much. If this was shikamaru's level when he doesn't care I'm sorry he would have been been super OP if he was the sort of character that gave a crap.
He was the only genin to be promoted to chunin when he gave up in the middle of his fight that he could have won because he was tired and couldnt be bothered. He managed to beat an immortal akatsuki who I'm sorry only needs to stretch you and then he can sacrifice you and say what you want about hidan but he was no small fry due to being immortal his was a menace with that weapon.
Shikamaru isnt over hyped at all in fact all he's shown is what potential he has and if he made an effort he would have been a very dangerous guy its implied in the anime
Thank you for this comment. I was just thinking that Shikamaru's usefulness or battle skills aren't why I love him so much. It's his personality. He mans up to his responsibility, he takes care of his friends, he doesn't judge ANYBODY, views everybody as an equal, EVEN CONSIDERING SASUKE A COMRADE, AND Shikamaru knows what is most important in the ninja world.
@@CloudEnvious This man gets it.🫡
I mean, early in the story, Shikamaru made sny remarks and wasn't present in Naruto's life as a childhood friend or anything like that., his "didn't judge" him came way later and got retconned into "was always friendly" towards Naruto.
Thank you
While I agree immensely about the sannin NOT being in their prime back during the 2nd war, I think there may be severe translation confusion about Sakumo. If you check the manga translation, it only says he had respect on the same level as the sannin. In both dub and sub on Hulu, Minato is referencing the “sannin” title as paling in comparison to the “white fang” title. So ultimately, Minato is only referencing titles. Not raw power.
So Minato never says Sakumo could take all 3 Sannin in a fight. I think people take that translation too far to hype Sakumo for more than what he is. Additionally, the Sannin during the 2nd war were probably closer to Kakashi/Gai/Kabuto level. They each definitely got way stronger as they grew older.
Tsunade didn’t have Mitonic regeneration. Orochimaru didn’t have reanimation, forbidden jutsu, and his mutant snake abilities. Jiraiya didn’t know the Rasengan or vast knowledge of ninjutsu.
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Didn't Sakumo came from the same generation as the Sannins?
1. If the Sannins weren't in their prime during that time, what makes you think Sakumo was?
For Sakumo to have the same respect as the Sannins is damn impressive considering he came from an ordinary clan/family and had a non-hokage sensei.
I'm impressed how Sakumo managed to make a name for himself despite coming from an ordinary clan/family with no famous sensei.
You make it sound like people think Shikamaru is Naruto's Batman.
It put a smile on my face, at least. 😂
Are we all forgetting my guy kimimaru and how he basically did what garra did during their fight…and completely changed the landscape. Like that bone field attack was terrifying, just as scary as garras sand burials
My list would be
1. Shisui- He is literally just a plot device for Itachi's story more than anything
2. Tobirama- He has some cool aspects about him but we barely learn anything about him
3. Fugagku- Barely has any feats and again, don't know anything about him but he has a lot of fans for some reason.
4. Sakumo- Literally all of his hype is based on 1 statement of him being stronger than Sanin
I disagree with Shikamaru on this list because I don't think he is massively overscaled by most people, everyone just likes him because he is the only one of the side characters in the Konoha 12 who gets any character development after part 1 LOL
I've a theory that Kishimoto favored Shikamaru because he reminded him of himself, which is why he was the only one that remained relevant
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@@shaq9116 I thought about that but I think most people recognize Neji got shafted in Shippuden the same way as Rock Lee, whenever people say they like Neji/Rock Lee they are talking about the pt. 1 versions, who are not overrated imo.
Plus people can relate to the lazy aspect of having to grow up and deal with things that are a “drag”
@@donovan4222 being likeable doesn't mean he can beat anyone in narutoverse
shikamaru hype is delusional
"Bones won't stop you from being buried by Earth Release."
Tell that to Gaara, because Kimimaro was buried by his sand--which while yes is Magnet Release and not Earth release--for the sake of physics, its effectively Earth Release. Kimimaro was able to survive and escape. So...yeah his bones indeed will stop him from being buried by Earth Release, or at least make him able to survive and escape it.
I wanna take a second to talk about UNDERHYPED characters.
My personal favorite being Asuma Sarutobi. He’s arguably one of the best original senseis and he was also probably one of the least focused one characters like Neji and Rock Lee
I think thhat's just underrated.
@@leonglitch tomato potato
My favorite UNDERHYPED character is Chiyo. She fought Hanzo several times in her Prime and should win on paper with her abilities. We really need flashbacks on rivalries during the Great Ninja Wars
I definitely see Asuma and Chiyo up there! My fav underhyped character would be Suigetsu. Man took a tailed beast bomb to the face and survived! He's so underdeveloped story wise, honestly it's just sad
@@YukiSoulassassin YESSIR SUIGETSU IS ANOTHER! The Hidden Mist Village in general has enough lore to be its own spinoff. We also got nothing on his brother Mangetsu and what little we know about Gengetsu makes the Hozuki Clan in general so cool
I will say that while Kimimaro is overhyped at times, I would still say it is justified and that he would have been quite a bit stronger if he wasn’t sick. First of all we do have a lot of statements about his prowess that put him at the very least around high Jonin characters like Kabuto or Kakashi. First we are shown that he was involved in the plot to assassinate the fourth Kazekage, fighting alongside Orochimaru and Kabuto. This version of Kimimaro would have still been weakened by his illness as he immediately collapses after the fight, showing that even in that state he was still capable of fighting kage level shinobis. Later in the show we are told by Kabuto that if Kimimaro wasn’t sick then he and Orochimaru could’ve easily defeated Hiruzen. This implies that 1)Kimimaro was as strong if not stronger than Kabuto as Kabuto didn’t try to help Orochimaru against Hiruzen and 2)he can engage characters with more than taijutsu as Hiruzen has a mastery over the 5 chakra natures. Since Kabuto was stated to be equal to Kakashi then it is safe to asume that Kimimaro is as at least as strong if not stronger than part one Kakashi without his illness. This is not the only showcase of his power in the manga as an edo Kimimaro is shown holding his ground against a clone of KCM Naruto who holds enough power to fight and even defeat kage level characters. I don’t want to get into too much speculation of how strong this Kimimaro it but it is really impressive that he not only fought this naruto but also just lasted long enough to not be sealed until Itachi released the edo tensei. This shows that the illness that he sustained against Gaara and Lee was really affecting his ability to fight and that he was no where near his full power during that fight. After all Kabuto did say that Kimimaro shouldn’t be able to move, much less fight in the state that he was in.
Nick: you know the real overhyped character, is rest
Rest: *gives him a 2 piece combo*
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I think the itachi thing is the one shotting.
13 year old itachi one shots Orochimaru shown to beat kage, new resurrection Orochi gets one shouted by the super special god weapons, Nagato the same and the kabuto after him. It’s aggravating him not having peers and not having full struggle fights.
Itachi was actually only 12 when he killed his clan, joined the Akatasuki, and one shot orochimaru (according to Shinden novel)
@@donovan4222not canon
@@QGUUNovals go over the anime by default you know this right? And this is a real thing but they are incorrect about the joining w Obito in his Eye of the moon plan he was 13 and half of turning 14 when he joined
Orochimaru has shown to be laughably weak against Genjutsu... But that doesnt mean every other Kage would look Itachi in the eye when fighting him.
@@NoKapExorochimaru shit his pants every time he thought of itachi and blatantly declared itachi was stronger than him, they did "actually fight" when he tried stealing itachi's body, itachi won that fight, in fact he won so hard orochimaru defected the akatsuki. Also in boruto orochimaru is probably a lot stronger considering he researched a LOT more jutsu and stuff about hashirama cells.
Over hyped or not. It never made sense to me that one (excluding Obito) person can kill the entire Uchiha clan. I know Itachi is extremely strong but the Uchiha clan is not a push over. A battle like that....at very least Itachi should have some scars.
Lol obito helped and did the heavy lifting that’s why
@@QGUUobito did not do the heavy lifting buddy😂 obito killed non combatants(mostly women and children) itachi killed all soldiers and fighters. Obito did basically nothing. In fact he was included in it just because fans was not buying that itachi was a good person after killing all the uchiha
@@AlexJones-zc4qfwhy do you itachitards do this? Obito was shown taking on the Uchiha police force while itachi took on the villagers including his parents. Why are you suddenly changing the narrative or you only watched Naruto on reels?
Why do fanboys turn every simple conversation into power scaling. Once your favorite character is not winning or hyped they quickly turn it into a power scaling debate and the tards would even go to the extreme by lying and trying to change what is in the story just to push their agenda.
Itachi had many one shot abilities no surprise there 🥱
Totally agree that Shikamaru is an incredibly intelligent strategist, but also definitely agree with him being hyped up too much. It's similar to how people are always like, "Batman can beat anyone as long as he has enough prep time." No actually, they can't just beat literally anyone no matter how much prep time they have.
batman also has insane battle IQ wayyy more the shikamaru like batman is a genius in and out of combat. with prep time batman only does better but he’s still busted even without prep time
@@pm5085 Undoubtedly yes, he is a genius in and out of combat, and has a higher battle IQ than Shikamaru, but he's still not unbeatable. No matter how much prep time he has. They alone could not beat absolutely anyone. They could probably hold off more powerful opponents long enough to safely retreat, but I think that their biggest strengths lie in utilising ALL of their resources available to them. That meaning, it includes how Batman is better able to figure out strategies utilising the powers of any fellow superheroes, and Shikamaru can strategise with the abilities of other ninjas to come up with incredible plans of attack, better than sometimes even they can.
@@Budders23 completely agree. i don’t think either can “beat anyone with prep time”. i’m mostly saying batman superior to shikamaru BIQ wise and probably on par IQ wise if not better and still can’t beat everyone, so why would shikamaru be able to. it’s a ridiculous argument for both of them especially shikamaru. also in the naruto universe there are so many insanely high IQ and BIQ characters that may not be as smart as shikamaru but their powers are just insane. Like even with prep time i don’t know if Shikamaru would ever come close to even beating pain at least without people to help him. if u replaced naruto with shikamaru in that fight he’s done for even with prep time
@@pm5085 I would definitely agree with that. So I guess we're just two people saying some of the reasons why we agree with him being on this list? Hahaha
But the only time shikamaru prepared for a battle was against hidan otherwise shikamaru has always come up with a plan on the spot
Yeah kimi falls into the itachi sickness that fight with garra and Lee was him getting off his death bed for one last fight. That is fucking insane. Imagine him healthy and allowed to grow beyond a teenager.
*replying because I saw "Kimi" in your comment and that's how I've named my late tomcat, who really was Kimimaro in feline form*
I remember being 9 or 10 years old and tearing up while seeing Kimimaro gone. Not only he had a handsome design and some of the most fascinating powers in the entire series, but also an emotional backstory. He deserved so much better. I'm glad at least he experienced Orochimaru's loving touch.
Okay, hear me out: Itachi's Susanoo was the first mention of Susanoo we saw in the story. Maybe it's not "incomplete" but just "enough for the task"? I don't think the author already planned for complete and winged and sparkly Susanoos yet by that time.
What about madaras susanoo against Hashirama? Was that flashback after?
@@NobleLaika I do believe so
It doesn't change anything
itachi cant have a complete susanoo bc he doesnt have ems
Its kind of weird thou that they didnt give Madara and Sasuke legendary named weapons like Itachi if they are part of the Sussannoo.
Like yes Sasuke got the bow, and Madara his sword but even as reincarnations of demigods they never got hax weapons or a shield like that.
Wich is especially odd given Itachis main focus was Genjutsu, and Madaras his Sussannoo. And Madaras outscales evrn Indras, and by raw power could propably break itachis with serval area of effect slices that also strike around the shield with its force.
But he still was the only one getting random devine weapons essencially. So i guess Kishi had diffrent plans back then, and planned Itachi as a villan. Thrn changed alot and forgot about the Totska Blade and Yata Mirrors significance.
What I think about Kakuzu is that he might have nerved himself and hasn't used Earth Grudge Fear to it's fullest potential. If he can reattach limbs and Hidans head he should've been capable to snatch atleast one Sharigan or other ocular jutsu in his really long life and just plucked it in. Considering Rin implanted obitos eye in Kakashi almost like it was nothing this should've worked ... I think. The other thought that I had was why limit yourself to the basic 5 elements. He should've been strong enough to kill a couple Kekkei Genkai users and steal their hearts giving him their Kekkei Genkai. Go into the Land of Water find a Yuki clan member kill them steal their heart, now he should have Ice release as his ability to create the mask is limited only by the nature of his victims heart. Like he could have had one Sharingan, one Byakugan, Ice Release, Mud Release, Lava Release, Boil Release and Earth Release. This Kakuzu would've been an absolute menace.
This obviously only works if his puppets aren't tied to the basic elements but since that was never stated I think he was just stupid.
I agree but if you think about it he only cares about money, most of his life he would probably be doing bounties and just getting powerful fighting against the waterfall village I think. He doesn't know or care about in his eyes that's unimportant
@@pianopuppy0991Dojutsu = more power = even better bounties + faster bounty execution = more money
@@maalikserebryakov no no no although kakuzu is smart I feel he wouldn't go as far as dougutsu maybe 1 or 2 kekkai genkai but other than that I don't think kakuzu knew how to use earth grudge fear like @letstec said and maybe it doesn't absorb kekkai genkai
I read a fanfic where Kakuzu trained Naruto and gave him EGF. Naruto in that fic used it to get kekkai genkai and saved Kakuzu after death by giving him a heart.
@@calvinwright2214 that's a fan fictions
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34:53 Tsunade got her Byakugo seal before the begining of part 1. The 3 sannin that stalemated Hanzo and are stated to be weaker than Sakumo were not in their peak. Sakumo should be kage level due to the statements, he should be around the same level as Hanzo, who was the leader of a village and was fairly strong since he fought Prime Chiyo and his word made 3 randoms feared worldwide. No feats tho, which i hate.
I only agree that Shikamaru is over hyped if anyone is crazy enough to believe he alone wins any fights. No, what Shikamaru has is strategy, he personally doesn't need to win any fight aside from his revenge on Hidan, he just needs to ensure the win conditions with the least amount of casualties on his side, and THAT is what he delivers on in every fight he's in. He doesn't have to win, he just has to achieve the best possible outcome, which, he arguably does in every single battle he's in, even the times he got saved by someone he wasn't even expecting, because of his stall tactics, and because he managed to catch his enemies off guard, and because he was able to trap people exactly as he planned, he managed to hold off until reinforcements arrived. It's important to consider, Village Shinobi are not Freelance Mercenaries, they are soldiers. No one is going to complain that a battle in a war was won only because the winning side received reinforcements, like... duh? What kind of wars are you fighting where you want to win and yet you don't use your troops in the best possible distribution? It's poignant to bring up him catching all the Kage off guard because even though he's in no position to threaten them, he doesn't need to be, he's the strategist. If your plan is to lure an enemy somewhere they can be bombed or sniped, it doesn't matter if you yourself are not the one doing the bombing or sniping, as long as you got the enemy where you needed them to be. It's actually embarrassing that the Kage could let their guard down and got ambushed by such an obvious one-trick pony, because even if they could break out or not, the instant they got captured meant they were vulnerable.
So, I kind of agree and disagree that he is over hyped. I guess it makes sense why he is on the bottom of the list of dishonorable, but realistically, no one is saying Shikamaru solos Kaguya with prep time. Sure, realistically he COULD have helped give the same exposition and observation every other character gave in the Kaguya fight, but he didn't need to be there, and he wasn't going to influence the fight at all.
Now, BECAUSE unfortunately there are people who DO believe Shikamaru solos Kaguya with prep time and like Choji's food pills or Naruto 1 tails cloak buff or something ridiculous like that, then yeah, he is over hyped by people who don't understand the nuance of his character.
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Couldn't agree more.👌🏾
Spot on (know your limits)
I still stand by Shikamaru, but less as a "best brain best boy" sort of thing and more as an "underdog using his wits to overcome unfavorable odds". Not impossible odds. The fact that his scope is fairly grounded is actually part of his appeal for me, partially because I liked Naruto better before everybody was a super wizard who could also punch good.
For me I like shikamaru because his character implies he could better than the level his on but cant be bothered to train and if he did he would be OP. If this is shikamaru level when he's lazy then if he wasnt people would be in trouble
Kimimaru's power essentially depends if he would eventually gain access to the All-Killing Ash Bones, as his technique is descended from Kaguya, and she's the only other person with his technique.
If he could eventually have unlocked it he becomes a massive threat, if not he would have remained roughly where he was.
Are we not going to talk about how Madaras plan wasn't his, but Black Zetsus? Yes, he told Obito to bring him back, but Obito went a different direction. And I believe it was Black Zetsu that "gave" Kabuto the idea where Madara was, surprising Obito.
black zetsu was behind basically every major event in world history since his creation and all with the soul purpose of unsealing kaguya and no one gives him the credit he deserves for that.
That’s because Black Zetsu is legit somehow responsible for every conflict between Indra and Ashura’s descendants ever, despite the fact that we legit see no evidence that he was ever spotted by the Senju, Uchiha, Hyuuga, or the Uzumaki before he began pretending to be Madara’s Will.
Also, why wouldn’t Madara just destroy the world and send everyone to the Pure Lands? It legit would’ve been more peaceful than what he planned, which would have trapped everyone in a Genjutsu until their bodies withered away and died, thus leaving everyone dead anyway.
@@DoomzdehBecause Madara is arrogant and stupid, that's the point, the guy was so confident in himself because of his strength that he never stopped to think about the moral implications of anything, he talks about peace while killing everyone around him, he doesn't care for peace at all but he has his head so far up his own ass that he doesn't realize that all he wants is a egotistical achievement of being able to do what gods can, not achieving peace. If he wanted peace he would have stayed at the Leaf and tried to reason stuff instead of going away to seek more power.
@Doomzdeh the second half of that equation was not actually known by him. The revelation that the infinite tsukuyomi drains the chakra of its victims is a later development, made known by kaguya. For all he knew, it really was just a dream world. Your point still stands though.
I find the Nagato and Kakuzu being similar argument to be very funny. “There are more than 1 so therefor same” as if shooting fire and other elemental releases from the ads is the same as bringing people back from the dead, summoning huge creatures, almighty push etc
Yeah, Kakuzu never seemed very strong to me at all.. Like top 5 akatsuki I even feel is a stretch.. Hard to say how strong orochimari was while in the akatsuki I guess. The zetsu's suck of course. hidan isn't anything special. So the only significant threats he reasonably beats that we know their strength of is deidara and sasori.. and I'm actually not sure he can beat them... deidara could at least tie him with his C4. All of his little clay doll things could likely match up with kakuku's 5 masks... deidara has like dozens of them and can always make more with much more in his kit. He has a bomb that can blow up he sand village so that's pretty damn good. Hell he can stay on his bird thing and drop bombs and kakuzu couldn't even hit him... so I don't think he can really beat deidara.
Sasori's 300 puppets could be a match too vs 5 masks.. some are a lot easier to kill with his aoe attacks though so kakuku likely stands a chance. but even according to the databooks he ranks lower than sasori..
Puppets really arent that great besides his few that have their own powers. If he went up against anyone with significant ninjutsu he probably woudln't get very far (only had a somewhat interesting fight since he went up against granny and sakura who both mainly have physical attacks)
@@userasdfcompletely agree with all of that. I actually believe Kakuzu is one of the weakest members of Akatsuki. Damn, even Konan could give him some good fight 😭
Kakazu‘s and Hidan’s main claim to fame is how goddamn persistent they are. But when it comes to pure firepower, they aren’t really all that special.
I mean, compared to the other members of the Akatsuki who can split oceans, create bombs that can pretty much erase almost anything (except for big snakes, I guess… god, that moment was so bad), create miniature planets, level entire countries in one attack, literally warp reality and so on, an old man with too many hearts made of silly string doesn’t seem that powerful
@Hyperion_Factor you trying to say that Deidara survived the C-0? An attack where he literally turns himself into a bomb that can erase anything on a subatomic level? I don’t think he survived that…
And if you’re talking about Sasuke surviving, yeah it was ridiculously stupid cause
A: Sasuke shouldn’t have been able to summon Manda in that timeframe given how exhausted he was, and…
B: Manda should‘ve absolutely been erased as well.
But I already said so in my original comment.
And even then, it pretty much erased an entire forest/countryside. It’s still one of the most purely destructive jutsu‘s/attacks we’ve ever seen (at least until the war arc and everything after that).
ABD EVEN THEN, it’s STILL A LOT MORE POWERFUL than ANYTHING that our dear mister silly-string has ever pulled off.
I cannot in good faith even see a resemblance of a point that you could be trying to make at this point in time nor in the near-to-distant future. Not even a smidgen
@Hyperion_Factor … have you read the rest of my comment, perchance? Or did you just mindlessly start writing your comment the second you finished reading the very first sentence?
Not saying Sakomo is like Otsotsuki level in power or anything, but in defense of him, even though they’re comparing him to the sannin before they were at their peak, it is also said that the sannin become twice (or maybe three times? Can’t remember) as skilled when they’re working together, and considering the fact that they very explicitly use the terms “Three Sannin Combined”, I have to imagine that Sakomo was probably as strong as our current Kakashi. And that’s *really* strong.
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No offense but this is an extremely poor understanding of the powerscaling in naruto
While the sannin might be proficient as a unit, Hanzo the salamander on his own was able to handle the 3 Sannin along with their squad.
I say this to show that a Kage level opponent could easily deal with the 3 sannin along with other ninja, which scales the combined teamwork of the sannin as below kage level by quite a margin.
I’d also like to point out that Sakumo was never stated to be kage level only that he’s stronger than the 3 sannin combined which was shown to be below kage level.
Realistically sakumo is at least on par with a single sannin after their dissolution right before the beginning of naruto and at most low kage level. But he’s certainly not anywhere near the level of kakashi, there’s literally no evidence for it.
(I also wanna point out that I used the Hanzo the salamander fight to scale them because that’s the only time they were shown fighting as a unit, and the only war where the Sannin and sakumo fought in, tsunade would develop hemophobia during this same war but in a different battle. So needless to say this was the peak of the 3 sannin as a group before their dissolution . So we know for a fact that when speaking about sakumo as stronger than the combined sannin they are referring to this point in time)
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You have to remember that this was said back when the Third Hokage was the strongest Hokage of all time and yet used no techniques besides a Summons. And during the time when Hashirama and Tobirama were reanimated only to be the lamest ninja ever. And when Shukaku, a literal lightweight by the end of the series, was capable of killing legit any Suna Jonin that came across him.
Sakumo was equated to the Sannin in a time in the series where the power scaling hadn’t gone crazy yet. He was likely about as strong as Kakashi in Early Shippuden.
All I'll say about Madara Vs Kaguya is that in the Databook description for Aminomanaka, it states that the amount of chakra required to perform the Aminomanaka Jutsu is so much that only Kaguya had enough chakra to use it, meaning Madara even if he has access to it does not have the chakra capacity to use it, so exactly what would Madara do when Kaguya switches him to another dimension, like the acid dimension.
Kaguya smokes him but Madara could fly
@@AncientChi Kaguya can also fly plus Madara can't Kamui away the bone spikes, the second she teleports him into the gravity dimension and hits him with the bone spikes, Madara is a goner. If he gets teleported to the acid dimension he just dies because he is surrounded by acid so potent that Rinnegan Sasuke(who has a Perfect Susanoo) thought he would die immediately if he was teleported there instead of the desert. So even though Madara is stronger then this Sasuke, it's very questionable how much that would help him against acid this potent and in that large a quantity.
the 4 minute intro was crazy, W video tho appreciate your work
Kakazu I main problem is the arbitrary limit of hearts he can have and that he was not allowed to actually show off multiple jutsu from each element and the interesting combos they could have done. He has that 1 real fight did not showcase all of my abilities the way the longer fight with say Sasori did which is a scheduling editing problem in the anime industry.
overhyped? Kabuto? Most of my friends barely remember him
Shikamaru is definitely my favorite character but I'm not by any means under any illusions that he's a particularly strong character ability wise. He's just an awesome character with cool personality and abilities. Power scaling has nothing to do with my love for this character so for me I don't think he's overhyped at least by me. I can see how obnoxious some fans are, but that cool because Shikamaru is a dope character and he deserves the love.
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Itachi is just too much hyped for sure i mean he just win every single polls irrespective of whatever is asked 😂
21:04 kimmimaro didn't pull out his spine to use it as a sword tho, that was his arm's upper bone, his spine was used as a wip to hold gaara in place for his arm drill attack thing.
The sad thing is: Sakumo Hatake was supposedly strong enough to make the Sannin look weak, and we never got to see it.
They were teenagers when this happened. Common misconception
@@AlexMartin-ec3dc Nah. Everyone was gassing him up as better than the Sannin in their primes.
He does such good impressions of haters with his deep hater voice impressions. That is exactly how they sound.
About Kimimaro, let's remember that during his fight against Gaara and Lee, he was supposed to be confined to bed to the point where he should not have been able to move but he stands up thanks to his strong will (it's like Lee when he stand up while being unconscious in his fight against Gaara) meaning his power level against them was INSANELY lower than what he would have been healthy.
He could have been 10x stronger and still barerly reach any character in shippuden. His bones also tops out at steel level which is nothing later on in naruto
@@shutup3338 We clearly don't know since we didn't see him struggle during his fight against the samurai army. The only debatable feat is him (and Chiyo) avoiding Naruto KCM1's rasengan.
You should definitely do smartest characters in Naruto list
Given a bit of prep shikamaru cant just beat anybody. But he can figure out how pretty much anybody can be beaten.
That’s legit not difficult to do though; we see characters like Kakashi and even Rock Lee analyze such weaknesses pretty easily throughout the series.
Why does over hyped have to mean strong? I don’t know many ppl who honestly go around saying shikamaru could beat anyone with prep time. Yeah he’s smart but ask konan how prep time worked
Prep Time vs Ass Pull, the ass will always win.
@@ExeErdnawhat ass pull?
I always feel the need to push back against people saying shooting lasers is a light speed attack- the laser moves at the speed of light yes, but their aiming position doesn’t- to dodge bullets you don’t dodge the projectile in flight, you predict your opponents movements and dodge right as they pull the trigger- while bullets aren’t speed of light, at near range they are still effectively instantaneous IRL, so the comparison holds
I actually thought Fugaku would be on the list. I've heard a lot of people say he would beat Minato in a fight which is crazy because from what was said and shown, Minato stomps him easily
I don't know about easily weren't they both hokage candidates? I think they both had a run on site order in the Shinobi war
@@seand7042 they weren't both Hokage candidates. Only Minato and Orochimaru were hokage candidates. The Uchiha clan were the ones who thought he should have been a Hokage candidate.
Also, he didn't have a run on sight order like Minato. He simply earned the nickname "Wicked Eye Fugaku". While that is good for him, it isn't an impressive feat considering the fact that kid Kakashi also earned a nickname during that war " Copy Ninja Kakashi" or "Kakashi Of The Sharingan"
I agree, he's a featless character and his mangekyo sharingan is not even canon
@@donsamseyactually fugaku was a hokage candidate my guy. Check again before you disclaim him
@@donsamseyyes people hype him because he's Itachi's father and an Uchiha majorly. While I don't think anyone except the hashirama, Madara going up calibre of people can defeat him "easily" he doesn't have any tangible feat to consider him in the same class as Minato. So I agree he's overhyped based on what I stated above.
This is why the top 100 was a terrible idea since people were just gonna pick their favorite character instead of actually picking someone like Sakumo who NEEDED a manga to flesh out the world and the war which frankly, we haven't seen enough of
well it's popularity vote tho, they should decide themselves which character should get one shot instead of relying on fans
@@NoKapEx Was that confirmed? ANd I can't wait for Sakura to get close to number 1 if not actually get number 1 this time because we somehow haven't seen enough of her
@@GNome744 and another unneeded character will win this vote as well
or worst minato win again
@@716_ハディくん God if Itachi or Kakashi win ill be pissed
the real question is: HOW TF can one create such a huge world and not answering at least the biggest questions fans ask. Jokes asides, such huge worlds like Naruto's simply need or deserve some kind of way to clean up with all those small questions. We dont need a super long indepth Sakumo manga, but it would be nice to have at least some things. even if it's just an indepth databook entry. And Sakumo is by far the only question mark. What about the Namikase clan? And so on. Just give us some kind of a book of unfinished tales that addresses as many questions as possible, while elaboration just a little bit on each. I know from my own experience that one doesnt write a story and includes elements without zero thoughts. There must be at least a minimum of thoughts before a character like Sakumo gets presented to the story. If one introduces a strong character, one should have at least have a rough idea of the abilities, powers and so on. I can bet if one would ask "what did Sakumo do become famous" the answer will not be a one-liner "i have no idea i just needed a strong father for Kakashi who suicided". I'm sure there's even the sligthest bit of unreleased information that would answer the biggest questions about him. Same with the Namikase. Or Kisame's clan. Or hell, even Kakashi's mask. I bet even here there's an answer that simply was not decided to make publicly. Or at least there's an idea of how important it should be, or there would be a reasonable answer that could be build retrospectively to make sense.
I really hope there would be some kind of amalgamation of really short stories or whatever to answer all these questions and fill up all those holes in the huge puzzle that the Naruto world is
Didn't Edo Kimimaro survive an extended fight with a KCM 1 Naruto Shadow Clone in the War Arc? Idk I feel like if Itachi got stronger as an Edo, the same would apply to Kimimaro. Like obviously he's not like Nagoto making the real Naruto look like little bro but even with his ninjutsu weaknesses, I feel like a fight with a healthy Kimimaro in the Kage Summit arc would have been cool to watch
Both were stronger here since they didn’t have any sickness and could actually fight without problems but this isn’t their prime
Survive is sorta ironic and a moot point since he needed to be sealed for proper defeat. Healthy Kimimaro vs Shippuden Gaara or perhaps another Kage seems interesting
And he probably couldn't use the cursed mark due to Orochimaru being sealed and him being dead. So this was probably BASE Kimimaro's real power as a 15 YO teen.
I like the new camera Nc😮😮😮😮😮 what’s name of the new camera but 🔥 Video
I agree and don't with your Shikamaru point. Like, that "Give them prep time" is why I hate the Batman arguments, but Shikamaru was able to shadow choke hold all the Kage, even for a little bit. Naruto and Gara were able to break out relatively quick, but both of those are also disgusting, he did hold the other 3 Kage though. Likely he was too tired after holding them, which is why he couldn't break the tree.
So kishimoto couldn't think of a way to kill madara or really obito so he introduced an even more powerful character in Kaguya. that literally makes no sense
Kakashi should have been on this list. “I know a thousand jutsu.” Proceeds to only use 6 the whole series.
W editor this one was particularly funny, def keep adding occasional funny clips please like the annoyingtv "its facts" one lmaoo.
I am exactly 1:19 into this video and if the last 8 minutes aren’t Nick complaining about Sasuke then I don’t believe I’m watching an NCHammer video
Yeah that’s what I was expecting, knowing his hatred of the character lol He literally has a tattoo of Sasuke decapitated
Tbf the reason Batman always wins with prep time isn't just his intelligence, it's the fact he's been shown to always be able to acquire whatever resources he needs as well. Shikamaru is significantly limited in this department. (Plus you need full information too and luck is still a factor, but Batman seems to randomly get those things too.)
I love Shikamaru. He's my favorite character.
That said, I'll never buy a prep time power argument. It's an argument based around the fact that you need a trick or trap to overcome being weaker. It's cool that you can, but someone adaptable or unseen external events put you back to square one.
Hey, for the next video , can you do most least hyped characters in Naruto, please?
Minato literally did nothing for the entire show and became your tattoo 😂
Faaaaccccttt oh my god I thought I was the only one that thought this. If shisui and sakumo are on the over hype list then where is minato. Minato is said to be this all powerful ninja father of naruto but we've never seen it all we saw is him die and wasnt able to save his wife in the ninja war he didn't do much we dont know much about his past yet he was voted most favoured character in the naruto universe...... isnt that the definition of over hyped
@@acetrap if that's what you assume is all he's done, you need to go read his Novel. 😂
You should make a video abt clan animals like the naras and the deer and the akamichi with the moth
Most of the time id agree with everone here. But lets talk about Kimimaru. He was a taijutsu kenjitsu specialist with a kekkei genkai. He was 15 years old. He had a curse mark that he could take to level 2. He had Orochinaru teaining him to be his perfect vessel.who does that sound wayyyyy too familiar to? Our boy Sasuke. Had Kimimaru been healthy, he wouldve trained under Orochinaru with Sasuke. Sasuke uaed fire and lightning. Who's to say kimimaru wouldnt have had an affinity for earth and lighting release. Sasuke would have been his rival that Orochimaru favored andnwanted his body wvwn though kimimaru was willing to give him his. I really think he wouldve been equal to Sasuke at the start of Shippiuden. Then when sasuke unlocks MS, Kimimaru would have to try and find a way to upgrade his bone ability to try to equal Sasuke. If you wanna stop there, then whatever but i think the pre MS Sasuke is plenty powerful for the story up to that point. And if he upgrades and unlocks other abilities or some big brain way of using it, who knows how atrong he couldve become. I mean come on, his ability is one that Kaguya even used and effectively. Would love your thoughts on a story of if Kimimaru didnt die, reversed his sickness or whatever, and basically became Sasuke's rival.
Shikamaru was able to restrain all of them, even Naruto. Naruto was stated to only be able to get out of it due to Kurama (as always). Shikamaru was able to restrain limited Code and Kawaki, both stronger than Kuramaless Naruto.
The Kabuto case: that's what happens with you write yourself into a corner, you have to make a jutsu that might as well be named "deus ex machina."
I think one thing that adds on to Sakimo not being a complete god is that if he was then he probably wouldn’t have had to choose between his comrades and the mission.
The Least Common Denominator Theory. Nice 👍
well I acually think 3 eyes madara and Kaguya were equally strong, I mean in the anime hagoromo says : hes almost as strong as Kaguya while he had 1 rinnegan and the second eye "just" amplified his abilities. So I speculate they are equal and the end would have stayed the same without Kaguya, cuz if Kaguya was the strongest entity afterall they could have sealed madara instead of kaguya.
Most of his power was the unknown factor. No one at this point knew how to kill him and he was already a threat
who's power? You didnt name anyone
My bad I reply to his video while he's talking so I forget other ppl won't know what the crap I'm talking about. I think this was about Madara
@@nikolainokage ohh okay. No worries i was just a bit confused haha.
I'll try to remember to add context clues so I'm not just typing into the void 👌
Itachi?
Shikamaru being on the thumbnail is so fitting for this title
Orochimaru was introduced to Kabuto by Sasori, who originally had him as a spy before Orochimaru turned him. So, at some point before Orochimaru, but after his time in the Root Kabuto was working for Sasori in the Akatsuki.
I'm not sure how it's possible 19 year old Kabuto has been in no less than 3 top secret organizations as well as spied on all 5 great nations, but he did.
It’s because that whole Sasori-Kabuto part of Shippuden was forced in just so that Kishimoto could introduce Yamato and Sai and therefore give insight into Danzo’s story and character arc for later. Kabuto was an important part of that, as he too gives insight into who Danzo is for his whole conflict with Sasuke later.
That’s legit the only reason it was written. No valuable information was surmised from it (the list of Akatsuki members was useless, as it didn’t include all members and because most members died before it became relevant to fight back) and the whole arc felt very stilted and forced.
loving how the new setup looks. super clean footage.
Sasukes gonna be on this list 100 percent 💀💀💀
😂 really true
Sasuke can't be overhyped because all the fans hate him dawg
@@donovan4222 you dont get it 💀💀💀
@@donovan4222not all the fans, I come across more Sasuke fans than Naruto fans
@@R-O-R-O-N-O-A_Z-O-R-O what don't I get?
Trying to apply any logic to Naruto when Kishimoto himself can't write himself out of a wet paper bag is a waste of time. You guys put more thought into this stuff than he did lmao.
All Madara was a Pawn of another entity.... the ultimate troll in the animeverse ....imagine being Madara and realising you are not the big bad final boss .... you were just a tool ....a powerful one that is ....😅...
I hope the move was swift and not so taxing. I moved recently and had to do so much lifting it was painful
Darui may arguably also be “smarter” than shikamaru he’s capable of figuring out his most used word and second most used word to switch them out and stop himself from being absorbed by the six path tools used by kinkagu ginkaku and then seal them both in return that intelligence feat is honestly incredible cause it happens in the middle of the biggest war they’ve seen so having that tier of level headedness to even make that plan and then execute it places his intelligence on another level for me
Darui is easily one of the most under hyped in the show I wouldn’t say I can put him on a strength list but he’s definitely one of the most under hyped
@@zachmoore3997darui is mid
No - let's be honest. Shikamaru would've figured it out immediately. At least in the Japanese dub. "What a drag" is one word in japanese so that would've been easy. But it was also cool when Darui switched his most used word, even if it was super convenient.
@@theinkticianUltra convenient. Shikamaru doesn’t have a second word 😅
W nick always on The grind
so we're just gonna pretend Kimimaru, didn't solo an army while just a kid.
When shikamaru got mentioned 😂😂😂 your editor is too good 😭
in my opinion rock lee was wayyyyyy over hyped just to get thrown in the trash, during the chunin exam he was said to be able to beat sasuke(with curse mark), and since he was held back his team should've plowed though Naruto, but they don't. He is said to have the mystical power of the lotus 8 gates but his skills seem trivial, as he even loses to gara. (I under stand why). But then later all he does is take L. Loses to Kimimaro, doesn't get screen time, might Gai does most of the work in kisame/akastuki fights, and his potential as a "taijutsui master that can't do ninjutsu" is thrown away as the moral of the neji vs Naruto fight its basically it doesn't matter about ur strength etc. But that idea is thrown away when rock lee shows up. Might Gai and his father dai both have incredible 8-gates strength they go against Madara and the 7 swordsmen of the mist. But then the 8-gates potential is forgotten when the power leveling gets to insane.
He was one of the strongest of the chunin exam up there with gara, neji, Naruto, and sasuke.
When you said Shikamaru I was like "WHYYYYYY????" but then you talked about what people say about him, and I'm like "😬😬😬😬 That's not MY Shikamaru...."
He's one of my *favorite* Naruto characters BECAUSE he wasn't the strongest beatstick ninja. His options for combat and resources are limited, but his mind is his forever asset! He's not suppose to beat Sasuke, or even Sakura into submission; that's what the squad is for! He takes care of them, and they take care of him. The way he does it is just hilarious ([remembers Hidan] ...most of the time) and I love seeing how his mind works during these combat situations! 😊 Plus, he's relatable! Everything really do be a drag sometimes...
I think we can all agree rock lee was the most underhyped and underrated character in Naruto. He is #1 awesome person.
Shisui and Hanzo were great because of how they used the Body Flicker, not for the jutsu itself.
I am in it for these "another day, another chance to kick the Uchiha while they're down"
Also I'm in the camp that Kabuto is overhyped, I don't feel like he is a character who deserved the spot in the series he was given, the concept of grafting infinite power onto yourself with medical ninjutsu strikes me as a bit of a copout. I also think him being able to fight and beat Tsunade while his nervous system was twisted by Tsunades technique is also complete hooey, the character is like the holy grail of bad writing. Besides I don't think them not killing kabuto has any merit to the fight, its not like its even possible because any time you kill Orochimaru or Kabuto they just molt the damage done to them and get away because they are nigh-invincible plot devices which is the only reason Orochimaru didn't get butchered at the bridge by tailed cloak naruto.
I got a feeling sakura will always be undervalued because of how naruto and some of shippuden showcased her character
So shikamaru is Tree level? 😭😭
That could be seen as good or bad. Cuz he couldn't even break the tree so I'd say more like twig or branch level strength. 🤔
not even because he couldn’t even break a tree 💀🙏
Brilliant video as always!
Wait a minute we discrediting Shikamaru because he might not be as smart as another genius who was kicking grown men's asses at the age of like 6? I don't know if that logic works Nick, but I will hear you out
I’ve had a question for a while now. Could itachi and sasuke just trade eyes and both have EMS? Or does there have to be a death? Cause it seems like it would have been easier for them, and possibly fugaku to just rotate eyes and all unlock EMS.
bruh, if Kimimaro wasn't sick/dead in OG he'd of had time to train just like everybody else. The "one trick pony" thing is also pretty misleading since he's basically just a spiky A, but with ranged attacks. The only problem is that Gaara could mostly ignore those ranged attacks. On the whole "that was his peak" that doesn't make since either, His bones were already crunchy looking and turned to dust from Gaaras sand shield, Also the further he went with the curse mark the slower and sloppier he got.
Applying Shippuden's scaling to Kimimaro makes the Akatsuki look like babies. Seriously this 15 YO guy was already stronger than Itachi and was not limited to 1 or 2 opponents at a time with his skillset, he could embarrass Konoha just like Pain did.
Nick thank you for doing my video idea
What's supposed to make Kakuzu impressive is that he survived Hashirama.
Good arguments for their strenghts but hype doesn't only come from strenght - it's mostly their character, their choices and interactions and many other facettes like their vibe, their appearance, their voice, their backstory and so much more. 😊
1. Itachi, while his character is cool I heavily disagree that he could have gone anywhere in terms of power. He has the brains but he doesn’t have much stamina to fight, and we don’t know the true extent of how badly he’s affected by his illness. I also think that his susanoo would just be the same as EMS sasuke’s since iirc sasuke lost his crossbow when he got the perfect susanoo anyway
2. Madara. Specifically 3 eye Madara. He is straight up featless aside from the infinite tsukuyomi, and he was heavily implied to lack the chakra to dimension hop like kaguya, and he never had any feats or statements of his power when he got the third eye, people just assume it’s a 10000% amp
3. Kakuzu. His sheer raw durability can solo the akatsuki
4. Might guy, specifically the eighth gate, I always see people that think he could beat dms kakashi but that’s just not happening
5. Minato, but his gap in terms of overrated is pretty spaced out from guy. People tend to overrate how smart he is since we’ve seen other people do what he did too, 2 of them being nobodies that are danzo’s guards that quickly found out a counter to kamui, and even boruto a 11-12 year old not only learned rasengan in a day but also accidentally did something that minato could never do, and then he proceeded to make 2 more rasengan variants, totaling 4 if we count the basic rasengan, or even 6 if we count momoshiki taking over his body and using rasenDan or some massive rasengan
Literally everything you just said about itachi is false. He never had stamina issues before he was sick. That just tells me you’re a casual. And sasuke didn’t lose his bow nor would itachi lose his weapons that makes no sense
@ mister delusional I never said itachi always had stamina issues, and I also never said sasuke flat out lost the bow. I’m saying his perfect susanoo doesn’t have the bow. Which is true
I love your videos! And respectfully, you are so nice to look at!
Hype is sorta what ruined naruto when madara was introduced
I love the editor you hired
Moving day?