How does the Quest 3 stack up in Elite Dangerous?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- This is a slightly disorganised video where I play Elite in my Quest 3 and give a few of my initial thoughts on the experience. How does the Quest 3 stack up?
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That mic sounds great! What headphones are those?
This is the one I ordered. amzn.eu/d/6qLHQxt
You hit the nail on the head. I also have been going through the rounds comparing all of my headsets with various games .
And I noticed the exact same thing. The Q3 is shockingly good.
You would think going from a Crystal to Q3 that it would be a larger step down that it actually is.
There is definetly more to the Q3's resolution boost that just the pixel count of the panels.
Im pretty sure the Q3 panels must be more dense and smaller than the quest 3 .
If my Crystal suddenly went up in smoke , I'd get over it as long as I had the quest 3.
As for the black levels im sure its partly due to the panel being better, but it could also be the lenses. maybe the light is bouncing around less behind the lense before escaping to your eyes. Decreasing overall brightness..just a thought.
I don't know how it will do if you're also recording but, try these settings:
1. Odyssey ;-) It has better graphics, deeper contrast, better surface reflections, more modern effects. It's on sale now from Frontier or Steam.
2. Connect using a Link cable, not WiFi
3. PC Oculus app, set rendering to 1.3x (first notch there should be fine)
4. In Odyssey, set HMD = 1.5x
5. In Oculus Debug tool: Encode Resolution Width = 4128, Encode Bitrate = 400, Spacewarp = off, Tangent multiplier = 1.1,1.1, Link sharpening = normal, I also have Distortion Curvature = low but I haven't notice much of a difference between default or high.
I run an old i7 9700K and an RTX 3080 (12G). The Elite Dangerous on the Quest 3 looks absolutely perfect in terms of clarity, markedly better than Quest 2 was. I run OpenComposite instead of SteamVR but I'm not sure that still makes a difference.
Thanks for your thoughts on this, I appreciate you taking the time to share your settings. I'll run through some of the things I've settled on over the years based on your points.
1. There's a long running debate about Odyssey or remaining on 3.8 (since Horizon is now also on 4.0), and I have to say, I'm still firmly in the 3.8 (Legacy) camp. This is primarily because the aliasing is so poor in Odyssey (which affects VR far more than the flat version), and although I appreciate the more realistic lighting I still feel 3.8 looks significantly better in most aspects. But this is definitely a personal opinion, and I've seen huge threads weighing up the positives and negatives of each version in VR.
2. Yes, I go back and forth on wired link. I think I'd certainly use that if I want the absolute best version possible in the Quest 3 - especially since it's seated and the cable doesn't bother me in that situation.
3. I monitor performance heavily and also go back and forth on refresh rates/fps options a lot. Some days I feel like 72fps is fine, other days I really want to push for those 90fps.
4. Again, I alter in-game SS and in-game HMD image quality ratios a lot. I have tended to settle on 1.0 SS and 1.5 HMD Image quality as well (for now).
5. Next time I use my Link cable, I'll give those specific settings a try. Thanks.
What FPS do you get?
@@Kontorotsui I have it fixed in the Oculus app to 75 hz and that seems sufficient. It can do 90 fps but it drops at surface stations so I rather have it be more consistent throughout.
@@JRo250 75fps stable is great.
Any motion sickness?
@@Kontorotsui Zero dizziness when flying, even for hours on end. But >20 mins in the BarfMobile (SRV) and I'm done for. Little to do with fps at this point. The SRV fixes the horizon but the HUD bobs up and down and makes me horribly sick.
Great vid. Can you post some updated settings?
I was very curious for quest 3 vs pimax. Thank you for making this video. I am thinking buying a rtx 4070 ti super (for 16 gb otherwise 4070 super is much better deal and 4080 right know higher than its msrp) and a quest 3. Though I am thinking to keep my rift s. Its still a great device but clarity for elite is not that great.
Pimax is 3x the cost. Not sure it would be a fair comparison.
i just got a quest 3. im new to VR. i managed to get MSFS working quite nicely through steam, but i don't know how to get ED in VR as its not a steam game. can you help me please?
What launcher are you using?
@@cmdrsaigon6453 i have steam VR, virtual desktop and the oculus one
@@cmdrsaigon6453 ED Launcher
I had to link my frontier account to steam account via the frontier store, copy some activation keys to steam, it then added elite dangerous to my games library and i took it from there. looks awesome in vr, wow!
@@Gruxxan Perfect. ED in VR is the best!
With a 4090 the Quest 3 is just as sharp as the G2, go on treat yourself 😉
It’s becoming tough to resist…
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I have a radeon 5700xt thicc iii ultra 8gb and ryzen 9 3950x on a msi x470 gaming pro carbon motherboard and 64gig of hyper X ram.. what do I need to play this headset on my pc. I would prefer untethered but don't know what I need to buy.. can you recommend?
Just curious can you use a controller with the quest 3 or even the quest joypads ?
You can use a gamepad with the Quest 3 and Elite with no issues. There also used to be an integrated Oculus motion controller preset in the game which worked quite well. However, last time I checked that seemed to be removed unfortunately.
Thank you for your video :) For me, Elite dangerous is the best VR game ever (with American truck simulator) ♥
you should try Skyrim VR with the minimalist graphics overhaul in DSR quality mode. OMG, it is like nothing else !! Truly spectacular running in wireless is absolutely smooth and so immerseive that it blurs real life.
what about space in Q3? i have samsung HMD with AMOLED and black there is realy cool. in Q2 blak it`s trash. (Beatsaber, Elite & other games with deep shadows and space) .. want jump to Q3 but it`s realy worry me, because i prefer night rainy road autosims, elite, Echo, and only sometimes other games (pavlov, contractors, HLAlex)
I used to own the Samsung Odyssey myself and it will be difficult for the Q3 to reach those black levels. If that is particularly important to you then you might be disappointed. While I’d like better black levels, I accept it as a compromise on the Q3 for the other advantages of the headset.
I've tried ED with many headsets over the years. CV1, Oculus rift S, Quest 2 and for me playing ED with airlink set to max bandwidth and res at 1.3 on q3 is the best experience vs those previous. I remember going to the Rift S and playing ED and seeing the lack of blacks vs CV1 was a bit of an eyesore. I recently owned the PSVR2 headset and although I didn't get to try ED (VR not supported on PS5) the black level factor in games is overrated imho. I am mildly short sighted glasses wearer and actually having white text next to complete OLED black caused my eyes to do mini-godrays and made text harder to read. I even bought prescription lenses but that didn't help. It may be different for others. You do get a great sense of deep space with the quest 3 and the blacks not being inky black is not a factor. I played for about 2 hours last night and I didn't think of it once. The colours are very vibrant and it makes up for black level floor. I think the only issue I have with ED at the moment is the 'antialiasing bob' but I haven't tried any other versions apart from the current release so I'm experimenting with that. Overall though if you want a good headset for ED i'm confident that the Q3 is the goto unless you want to wait for PSVR2 to do proper PCVR support down the road.
Thanks for sharing CMDR. What is your virtual desktop setting?
I use the 'High' preset in Virtual Desktop generally, although I will occasionally drop it down to medium and up the refresh rate in some titles. I use the HEVC 10-bit codec at 200Mbps as that seems to give me the best results on my 3080.... jees, I wish I could afford a new GPU! :D
@ImmersedRobot Thank you IR. Must be my Router as I can't seem to get the bit rate up, so I've gone back to link cable. Like you, I will probably skip the 4 series and go for next generation. o7
You tried Quest Link, to see if you have a better result.?
I haven't tried wired Link, although I use Air Link occasionally in Elite. It's probably worth a try however to increase that bitrate slightly via the wire.
how many GB of storage uses ELITE on Meta quest 3?
Sorry, I’m not sure you’re being serious or not. But assuming you are, then what I’m showing here is Elite being played on a PC and streamed to the Quest 3 over wireless connection. Elite does not have a native Quest version.
@@ImmersedRobot Do Frontier still support VR in its game or is it just odyssey without vr ? It is a shame their is no quest native as I would jump into vr no question if it did.
It was a a shame they never took advantage of ps vr , even as a stripped down version, May have got me to jump to pc vr if I had been able to try it.
How to the quests native controllers fair in ED ? I have x52 pro hotas but i imagine it can be a bit of a pain not being able to see the physical controllers let alone trying to fix them somewhere stable and comfy.
When plugged into pc are you working on the quests battery or does the pc power it too ?
If its battery how long does one get before having to recharge the Quest ? Many thansk
I am having a really hard time optimizing my vr experience in version 4.0. Legacy mode works smooth, but I feel I’m missing out on the live game.
Is there a way to activate OpenXR for best results?
Elite is an OpenVR title, so you'd need to go through OpenComposite to go through OpenXR.
When I play with the Qwest 3 VR it switches back to non-VR mode 😢
What is it like with the Quest 3 compared to Quest 2?
The Quest 3's lenses make the biggest difference when compared to the Quest 2 in my opinion - especially in Elite. The edge to edge clarity, and general lack of glare (although it is certainly still there in places) makes all the difference.
The resolution bump is also welcome, but perhaps not quite the alteration I had been expecting. However, I should make it clear that it had been a few months since I'd used my Quest 2 in Elite before trying the Quest 3 so it's entirely possible I'd feel the change was far more stark if I had the opportunity to A-B them directly in one playsession.
I'd highly recommend the Quest 3 as a nice increase in experience for PC VR, but your mileage may vary.
@@ImmersedRobot I will A/B them and see how big the difference is.
Thanks for the info. Clarity has always been an issue for me on the Q2 and is my main reason for upgrading. Will get online so I can return it if I am not impressed.
Well I tried running this threw steam and Virtual Desktop. No luck keeps going to a 2d flat-screen. Mind you Ibhavw the ROG Asus I9-RTX 4070.. Well good luck to those that can play it. Enjoy
That's a shame. I'd encourage you to perhaps try again, since the experience can certainly be vastly improved in VR. Do you have any specific details on the issue?
Did you try starting SteamVR through Virtual Desktop before activating Elite Dangerous? Are you using the Steam version of Elite? If so, perhaps try launching the game through the separate launcher once SteamVR is already running.
There are numerous frustrations in resolving the issue of it launching in 2D when playing in VR, but it's not a lost cause.
Had the same issue. Fixed it by going into the graphics settings/3d and select HMD Headset in the drop down.
What headset are you wearing ?
VR? Quest 3. Audio? This one --> amzn.eu/d/6qLHQxt
Can you give me your graphics settings please?
Obviously the Pimax looks better than the Q3...as it should for more than QUADRUPLE the cost. For the price, nothing comes close to the Q3.
I agree that, for the price, nothing can be recommended beyond the Quest 3 right now. If I didn't put in a quick word on the Pimax Crystal (since I've been covering it so heavily on the channel), then I'd have inevitably received comments such as "how does it compare to the Crystal?". That's why I mention it.
I could also have said that, "look, the Index is twice the price of the Quest 3, but the Quest 3 looks better and has a higher resolution." So the opposite case you argue for can also be true.
The point is, I'm generally rambling in this video and mention things which pop into my head. The Crystal comparison only arose because I'd been covering it so much, and also because I knew I'd be asked the question if I didn't mention it. It's an absolute nightmare trying to cover all bases on these types of videos... I think I'm done with it.
@ImmersedRobot Fair enough. I sent my Quest 2 back after trying the Q3, even though I only paid $195.USD for it. I don't know if it's 'worth it', but the blurriness in the Q2 was giving me dizziness that I don't get now with the Q3. The clarity is substantially better.
Would you rather have that headset or the Kraken V3 Pro?
Probably the more expensive one, whichever that is 😁. Apologies, I'm actually unfamiliar with the Kraken.
Your headset and the Kraken V3 Pro both costs the same. @@ImmersedRobot
@@JynxedKoma I meant to say 'unfamiliar with the Kraken' in my previous reply. I haven't tried those headphones so can't comment too much.
Aah... fair enough! Thank you anyway. @@ImmersedRobot
With an RTX 3090 Ti I run ED at a pretty high quality using Virtual Desktop connected with WiFi to a Linksys Hydra 6e. The problems start when I disembark on foot on planets and it reverts to a simple screen. Anyone knows how to make it good or it is simply not possible? I feel like when on foot the system switch from VR to the Desktop and it becomes terrible.
Unfortunately on-foot sections perform quite badly in Elite Dangerous Odyssey in VR. The fact it switches to a flat display is unavoidable, although interestingly, if you use the vanity cam while on-foot it will revert to VR. I've used this a few times to explore a planet, but it isn't really viable to play that way for any length of time due to HUD issues and general gameplay while in camera mode.
@ImmersedRobot but with the Rift S I was playing on foot without any problem, I believe the problem in this case is using VirtualDesktop while it is great for VR when you use it as flat screen it is not that good. For example it reverts to the screen resolution which I usually keep low if I play in VR because not useful to have it high. Maybe a matter of settings?
@@Aviator-ce1hl well, the Rift S has a lower native resolution which alone means the Quest 3 is much more demanding at its native resolution. Adding into this the extra overhead to encode/decode the video over Virtual Desktop then that would make the game require much higher hardware requirements to match your Rift S framerate.
Adjusting settings to reduce resolution, and perhaps running at 72fps might resolve the problem at the cost of visual fidelity obviously.
@ImmersedRobot but then also the VR part will be affected. Probably I prefer not being on foot 😒
I’ve been unable to get audio from Elite thru the Quest3 (launching from Frontier launcher and using a link cable) so far - I just got it so I’m not sure what the settings should be
I've had this exact issue when running through Air Link (I haven't actually used the Link cable in Quest 3 yet, but the same applies). From what I can gather there is an audio bug in the Oculus desktop software which means it can't recognise either the microphone or the audio output. The solution to this is to basically re-install the drivers. I've done this, and it works, but then the problem reappears after a while. For this reason I've been using Virtual Desktop almost exclusively for PC VR in the Quest 3 since it avoids this issue.
I'm someone who has avoided the high-end, because of unjustifiable cost, for (many many) years. Recently after getting fed up with always having to compromise, I said jfdi and treated myself to a 4090/13900. I never thought I'd spend £1,600 on a GPU, which I consider to be an outrageous amount. However, I have not regretted it. Coming from a 3080ti, I am often surprised at just how much more performance it puts out. It'll be good for a good while yet and I suspect hold its value quite well.
I’m jealous.
"hold it's value quite well"
You must be new to PC gaming because that's not how it works. Once the next gen launches AA/AAA games will be designed around the new top end (5090) and the 5080 will have the same performance as the 4090 for much less. The 4090 is already a year old so at most you have 2 years left of enjoying the best PC gaming can offer but odds are they will launch the 50 series in about 1 year and not 2.
Tech moves fast. Hopefully you get $4000 worth of entertainment out of your PC build in 1~ year.
Hmm that looks so much better compared to my Quest 2. Wish i had an extra $499 plus tax and shipping laying around :(
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@@Cythrawl102 Awesome Thanks.
What joystick do you recommend. Can I play niw in vr and change setting to joystick later for same career?
I use a relatively budget Thrustmaster HOTAS X which has worked well for me. You can change controls and go back and forth between control systems on a whim in Elite.
I use a relatively budget Thrustmaster HOTAS X which has worked well for me. You can change controls and go back and forth between control systems on a whim in Elite.
@@ImmersedRobot Thankyou, its for a present for my grandchild
Depends. Do you or plan to do alot of flight sim gaming? If so, invest in higher quality products. A great middle ground is the VKB gladiator series. The ED community swears by them and they are excellent for things like DCS and WW2 flight sims as well.
@@mattm7798 thanks
What HOTAS do you use in Elite?
A very old Thrustmaster Hotas X. I think I’m about due an upgrade.
@@ImmersedRobot What wd you like to buy instead?
@@atriusvinius319 I've always wanted to get the Saitek (now Logitech) X52, simply because the in-game HOTAS in Elite is modelled off that one. However, the X56 would be a nice option until you get to the very expensive options like the Warthog (also by Thrustmaster).
@@ImmersedRobot They say VKBsim the most reliable.
Haven’t really looked into that one but it’s something I’ll definitely look into.
What cable do you use for Link?
I’m using wireless via Virtual Desktop.
@@ImmersedRobot Same here. I had the impression you sometimes use a link cable. I tried 2 so far, none works and afaik you need thunderbolt 4 support for it to work wich my mobo does not have.
So far VD is the absolute best. I have problems with Air Link and it makes no sense.
VD on High Streaming options and Medium in some places. I have my WifI6 router set to the 160 mhz band @ 5Ghz and it's a blast.
It's still the same shit show with the 2D screen on the ground.Whats the point?
I only play the Legacy version anyway to be honest. I ignore any of the additions from Odyssey because of the exact reason you mention.
Agree - but just ignore the ground based stuff (other than exobiology which actually isn't that much of a hassle without VR). I stopped after Oddy because of the abyssmal coding and framerates that were more like a slideshow but returned to it a couple of months ago and to be fair, the bugs seem to be ironed out and it's very playable on a 2070, i7 and a Quest 2 - worth dipping into again if you were fed up like the rest of us after the balls up of Oddy
After over 4000 hrs in VR I was more hurt by the money grabing aspect that was Oddy when Frontier took my dlc $$$ then did a rug pull on the VR support. I dont care how many bugs where fixed.@@Boomtrooper
@@dennisphillips9089 How much did you pay Frontier for those 4000 hours? These are simulations, not games with a storyline that ends in 3 to 5 hours. Oddly people still complain about the cost which is about the same as going to the cinema or having a pizza with your friends, which is ridiculous. On a more positive note the on-foot VR is glorious once you master the third person camera view. Also the SRV turret view while driving, amazing. It's all we get for now and no other space game in vr comes close, so it's take it or leave it.
I bought the base game and also paid for the oddssey dlc.I still think frontier sucked in the way they handled the VR support. If I wanted to play in third person VR would not have been my first choice.
Are you using air link, vd, or link cable?
VD connected via a WiFi 6e router.
@@ImmersedRobotdo you feel any difference between a WiFi 6 and 6e ?
@@scanx6163 I don’t notice any difference whatsoever, although I haven’t made a point of thoroughly testing it. If there is any difference then I don’t think I’m sensitive enough to it to affect my experience.
@@ImmersedRobot can you get better visuals like that over a link cable?
You can increase the bitrate to a slightly higher level in the Oculus Debug Tool, and a cable allows you to probably push that up higher than Air Link or VD. But for the amount of difference it offers, I prefer to stick to wireless options.
People, are you blind or what? Don't you see these flickers? It doesn't matter what kind of graphics card you have, even a 4090. This is a general problem, and the flickers are visible everywhere. I just can't believe that someone is playing and doesn't see these flickers. Every station, every planet, everything flickers and is covered in these stupid jaggies.
Apologies for not replying to your other comment on a previous video. I usually go through comments once a week and missed it this time.
What you're referring to is aliasing, and it's a huge problem in the 4.0 version of Elite Dangerous (Horizons 4.0 and Odyssey). The ways to mitigate it are to change the anti-aliasing methods in the graphics settings (which will have limited results in Odyssey or 4.0 Elite), or by increasing resolution scaling and HMD image quality (both of which will have huge impact on performance of course).
The only other alternative is to play the Legacy version of Elite (3.8) which is what I'm doing in this video. The latest version of Elite looks much worse in VR due to the updated engine having massive aliasing problems. Some people can get past it, and I have tried to do that myself. But, like you, I hate the flickering 'pixel crawl' effect in VR so I tend to focus on the Legacy version. This is not ideal since I also like to play the live game (something which isn't possible in the Legacy version), but the graphics in VR have taken a hit in my opinion.
Looks jerky af, I nearly puked watching this video.
Capturing 60fps footage of a game running at 72, 80 or 90fps will always look as if it is dropping frames even if it isn’t. The footage on screen may look more jerky than a native 60fps game even if it is actually running at a stable, and much higher framerate, in the headset.
Running this on a 4090 means I can crank all settings to max, a 3080 GPU like you have doesn't push the Quest 3 to its limits, maybe upgrade before making videos like this.
Or maybe continue being transparent about my experience on a mid range GPU, which might prove far more valuable to a majority of users?
Either that, or become an insufferable elitist?
@ImmersedRobot Yep. Ignore the clowns with the 4090 who just want to show everyone how much money they waste to play games. They can't wait to type the phrase 'on my 4090' 😂 It's the 1080ti/2080ti/3090 syndrome all over again. I can easily 'afford it'. But I have a life. I have a 4070ti and that was way more than I wanted to spend, but I had given my son my 3070 for a new build, so I needed something.