The expertise and knowledge of Law in this court absolutely blows my mind. The hours of work they must have all put into this must take over their lives
@@ladymak-d8uyou are absolutely spot on. The comments I've seen. "Maybe the clock had gone forward or back depending on British summer time and she wrote notes at 9am and not 10am". Then other people "Email her Barrister". It's just madness. They really think they're the first person to think of anything. Desperation.
Thank you so much for sharing this, it's a fascinating look into the Court process. I'd often wondered from your previous readings of the purchased court transcripts what Nicholas Johnson KC actually sounded like. Keep up the fantastic work Jon, you're fighting a very worthy fight.
@@judewhitbread2394I do the denier ones as well, but my blood pressure starts to rise. Are there any that are absolutely ridiculous? I go on because some of them decide to drop stuff on Jon's channel
Ben Myers seems like a nice man and if I am not mistaken Nick Johnson has a light Yorkshire twang there, which I wasn't expecting, in my imagination the 'Lee Cooper Leisure Suit' was said with a posh London accent ;)
Myers worked his socks off. He had nothing to work with. He’s a brilliant KC but nobody can defend the indefensible. Letby lovers endeavor to make it everyone else’s fault that the baby killer was convicted.
Because of the evidence regarding the potentially catastrophic risk of patient harm from the lack of staff, skills, failing infrastructure in the unit and how unstable the babies were plus other deaths due to infection revealed by the Thirlwall Inquiry that was not presented at the trial.
@@neilross5509 No - the Thirwell Inquiry has NOT contradicted Letby's trial. The other matters are being rehearsed because Letby took advantage of the chaotic management of the unit and the Managers covered up for her as part of covering up the problems they caused on the unit. NOW DO YOU GET IT!
@@neilross5509Because those would only incriminate her further and prove her guilt . The only witness brought forward by defence was a plumber speaks volumes as any other expert witness would have confirmed her guilt.
@@uingaeoc3905Why the need to “shout” and be rude though? Surely we can all have a civilised debate without resorting to that? Your entitled to your opinion and so is everyone else. She was found guilty and as it stands she will spend the rest of her life in prison, the harshest punishment the English justice system can impose. For everyone who believes she is guilty, she is being punished in the only way the English courts allow. People are allowed to question that, as there have been many miscarriages of justice in the past. At the end of the day she was found guilty to the standard that was required but the only person who truly knows what happened is Lucy Letby herself. Please let’s voice out opinions but do it without being rude to others who think differently. If you don’t want to read about people who think she could be innocent, it’s probably best you stay away from the comments section.
@@CrystalGlow-mu4bf They're not worn in juvenile courts to avoid intimidating minors, but barristers and judges actually like them. I think they see it as a symbol of their expertise and profession that sets them apart from laymen, like a uniform they've had to earn the right to wear.
@@Lonna_Loves Originally, to make them all look the same and also to anonymise court personnel a little. I've read comments from barristers who say they've walked out of the courthouse right past people involved in the trial and been completely unrecognised. The wig and robes change their shape and appearance enough.
They cost a fortune and make it harder for working people to get legal representation. Also they are not VEGAN and rely on murdering horses. Also while I am pro-LGBT I think fancy dandies should pay for their own costumes.
I watched part of the trial. From what I saw Ben Myers became extremely frustrated with Letby at times. Johnson was always the polite, patient one. And nailed her - every time 😊 Letby quickly learnt that she isn’t as clever as she thought 🤭
It is a completely different situation for the KC's. They submit their arguments in writing, and the Judges will hear oral arguments, allowing them to ask questions. So the KCs are providing argument only & answering the judge's questions, so yes they are much less dramatic. The argument is everything. Mr Johnson KC would not approach his argument, thinking that the defense would lose as a matter of course. He provides an argument including reference to the law to counter the defence's argument to be allowed to appeal. It's just as serious as the trial for both Barristers.
It's because they only allow really narrow points to be used for an appeal. You can't re-try case. You need to scramble to find reasons to have the case looked at again. I'm convinced there's a problem in this case. I said it long ago. It will probably take years to come out, if past cases of injustice are anything to go by, but it will come out. The British legal establishment don't like to admit mistakes and have a track record of leaving people in prison for years before facing up to their mistakes.
@@lesley9989 This appeal is leave to appeal against the trial judge's decision to reject the defense motion to not proceed with the re-trial due to excessive publicity, as the defendant would not get a fair trial. Because they had the trial, conviction, and sentence, the appeal court accepts the jury's verdict. So, the appeal can only be on if the defendant had a fair trial. In that case, did the judge err by rejecting the defense motion to not proceed with the trial. It may not seem much, but this is how sometimes people get retrials, to be resentenced or even rarely have the verdict vacated, it has to be based on very serious error of the court trying the case. It has to be on the law not on guilt or innoceent. Its all about fair trial on an appeal. Its why defence put in so many motions & objections before or during the trial, otherwise they will not have a reason to appeal.
There was the Re-Trial of the Baby K case and there was an Application to Appeal which was REFUSED by Goss LJ. This is an Application to overturn Goss LJ's decision and allow an Appeal. So this is an Appeal, to Appeal to the Appeal Court!
@@johnkeating4221her own testimony was evidence enough ..I've been a nurse for years and she was dangerous and entitled at the very least . Not signing for medication. Not finishing paperwork and coming back in on her nights off to finish it. Taking home all those notes etc. . One of the things said in the Trial that really struck me . Was when she said she didn't know how the insulin got in the babies bags. So if she didn't do it who did. Stalking the parent on Facebook for years shows she is sick and dangerous.
Regarding the police speaking to media using various adjectives to describe Letby and her crimes post first conviction, it would have absolutely no influence on me as a member of the next jury. I think most reasonable, intelligent people understands that any jury member can only make any determination by the facts brought forward in the case. I could not care less what any pro Letby or anti Letby proponents stated in the media post first conviction. Just give me the facts.
Thank you Jon! I've been following trials for over 40 years and have never seen such a prosecutor. He is truly exceptional. Other prosecutors should watch and study his work.
Isn’t he! He is superb but he is also a defence lawyer, one of his defence cases was a teenager girl who was on trial for killing a 7 year old He would of had the same struggles as Myers if he was defending lucifer but he was meticulous in the 2 trials of lucifer
I’ve been following criminal cases for 25 years and your channel is the best I’ve ever watched, the factual content is so well delivered Jon I can’t thank you enough for dedication you have given to this case!
This was broadcast by Sky news courts . If Jon wants to put it on his channel thats his perogative. Great insight to the appeal by both lawyers for both sides. The defence argument fell at the very first hurdle as they agreed to no media restrictions after the first trial sentences. To argue after the second trial was always going to fail.
Am i right in thinking that this appeal hearing is saying that she was prejudiced at the baby k re trial due to the fact that media etc said those things after her main trial therefore she could not get a fair trial at the baby k trial?? Thanks for posting this extremely interesting
Is it just me or does Ben Myers waffle on and take ages getting to the point? By which time - what was the point? And expecting the court to imagine how things might have been if the trial of Baby K came before the first trial - - - very confusing
But remember…whilst almost certainly Letby was rightfully found guilty, the legal system in England hasn’t changed much for centuries. The more money you have the more likely you are to win your case. The saying “justice within English Law is open to everyone just like the doors of the Ritz Hotel” is true. Moreover our class ridden Society often means that those in positions of power are often able to avoid appearing in Court for criminal acts. English Law and our system of government belongs to the 18th Century and both protect the rich. If you want to seek justice in English Law be prepared to spend many years fighting the system and make sure you are willing to face the possibility of losing many thousands of pounds. This nonsense of wearing silly hats is to demonstrate that they are above ordinary people. Don’t ever imagine that we English are all equal under English Law. Look at our politicians in the House of Commons. They don’t represent the people.
To think the center of all this expanding loonyverse is one blazing star! Amazing how so many still understand so little about the complexities of a serial killer's devious criminal mind. This honey of a stinger certainly still seems to rule over a hive buzzing with worker and drone supporters, defenders and disputers. I guess there are those who will never be able to comprehend the predatory, self sustaining internal nature of a killer queen bee. 🐝
@@CrimeScene2Courtroom ah how interesting and unusual. I always thought we dont ever have cameras or anything from the courts cuz it's not allowed. Do you know what grounds in which the court decides to go ahead with releasing footage? Soz if I'm annoying you with questions lol
@@TheNerd-Yusually when there's public interest. it's unusual but does happen. i think they've said she has the highest number of child victims in the uk & she was an nhs nurse on a high risk ward so they are probably all factors that they consider to be in the public interest. seeing as there has been a lot of discussion regarding the trial itself, they may have decided to put the video out as a definitive close to the case as she now cannot appeal again. they talk about the media coverage in the judgment section, so i guess this is their way of asking the public to have faith in their decision to refuse this appeal, and to stop debating her guilt🤷🏻♀️
Impressive performances certainly. Looking at UK trials and US trials though contrasts ancient and modern. Do we really need fancy dress to dispense justice? I don’t think we do.😮
@@franm.8343 If you look at the US, justice is very much seen and. heard without the need for fancy dress. It is more symbolic of the people delivering justice to the people rather than a historical relic. I have no doubt that when citizens are deprived of their liberty or even their lives, the gravity is well and truly felt.
So at the start of this, let me understand, because she was found guilty in the first trial, the publicity in the second trial is why she was convicted? So the same principle would apply then to pretty much anyone tried for more than one crime and had second third or 4th trial whose name is in the public domain? I'm confused. Sorry, Further, isn't that asking for government controlled media?
It’s strange seeing the proceedings of a uk high court, I love watching trails but only ever get the chance to watch them based in the us due to the uk laws. It seems things are changing and maybe soon we might get to watch uk trails I haven’t followed this case , is there anyone who has followed it in great details that feels lucy is not guilty of these charges ?
She's obviously pulling a Myra Hindley, chancing her arm at anything at all. I have a feeling we are going to be hearing a lot about Lucy in the next many years. She'll have a lot of time on her hands to scheme and plan.
@@juenothing5432yes I agree. There was definitely a lack of evidence proving her guilty. All they had were the notes she write after years of being bullied and harassed and called names by so called doctors. Her friends all stand by her to this day as do many other nurses who were threatened with dismissal if they spoke up in her defence in court. She put blame on herself for something that she wasn’t guilty of and under the circumstances she was in it’s easy to see why. A complete cover up of the failings of the hospital is what is was, and she was the scapegoat.
The Letby innocent brigade have not got the attention span of more than a couple of minutes to listen to this that's why they get all there information of twitter...that's why there are sensible and well informed comments on this video.
I still have doubts that she was guilty as well as the evidence that any of the babies were even murdered. Sorry but the more I look at this case, the more it points to a complete set up.
And? British Court trials are not recorded to protect witnesses and jurors. Very often the Judges sentencing remarks and the sentencing of a defendant are recorded and broadcast.
@@RosieRoo-o1c AND? Why so rude? As far as I am aware cameras aren't usually allowed/trials or hearings are not usually broadcast from inside UK courts, hence why I asked a simple question. You could have answered it in a nicer way, taking into account that not everyone may be aware of the protocol surrounding recordings in British courts, or just kept your mouth shut.
My question to this channel, where are the transcripts for the Defence.. Have you purchased them, and if you have .why haven't you done a vlog. It appears that people are now talking about this channel for being biased....what's your answer to this...question
If it was me, I would have thrown every evidence, I could find and think of. She declined a couple clinicians that, were willing to give evidence, on her behalf
I can guarentee the very people proclaiming her innocence will not view this in full, where Nick Johnson KC states very clearly that Letby had the opportunity not just once but TWICE to call medical experts to establish she was innocent of the charges in the original trial and she chose not to call anyone. I don't know what more needs to be said about her proclamation of innocence when she is choosing not to fully deploy a defense, and one can only surmise that had she done that it would have established once again that she was guilty.
@@Andrew-zu2gjIt is for her KC to make those decisions. Who to bring as a witness would not be something she would have the knowledge or ability to decide upon. Personally I think her KC very cleverly threw this case on to the lap of the prosecutor. Listen to him....heinous previous convictions....he is such a waffler, oh we must be fair no matter previous convictions.
The Judge should have some medical knowledge given the amount and complexity of the information. He obviously didn’t have a full grasp. Infection kills one of the instances where less attention was paid to this also nutrition and hydration was lacking in instances delays in administrating certain medication essential to life for prem babies.
The points of law being put forward had no reasonable chance of success? A complete waste of taxpayers money which would have made no difference from the initial outcome. 👨🏽🎓🙏🏽👼🏽🙏🏽👨🏽🎓
Yes but it’s part of the trial. Every criminal is entitled to lodge an application for Leave to Appeal. It was never going to be granted but her KC had to go through the motions or her fanclub would be screaming “Unfair!” Weve heard that once or twice haven’t we? 😂
@@RosieRoo-o1cHardly a good fight was it. I think her KC was just trying to bore the pants of those listening. What total drivel from her defence lawyer. No wonder she was found guilty. What a tit!
3 months may seem like a short time however a 'nurse' taking over the care of a child like Lucy Letby would probable be more than grandmas and grandpas who are often slow with fixing up enough meals every 3 hours 24 hours per day when left with caring for 2 infants. They didn't call that generation the greatest generation for nothing. What could people do when living in a war zone. Like for a while in the U.K. too.
Where is the evidence? They were under skilled, understaffed, over subscribed above their level of competence. Neonatologists who would be a constant expert presence should have been on that unit given the condition of these fragile babies and not paediatricians visiting occasionally and leaving specialist interventions to junior doctors who were unsuccessful and resulted in additional suffering for these tiny babies. The unit was full of bacteria too. The Judge was wrong when he directed the Jury that infection or similar words to the same effect would make no difference . I have made so many observations over the period of the trial that I can no longer at present. Someone had to be the Scapegoat for incompetent care.
Your delusional. Where is the evidence? Did you follow the trial? Yes there is such a thing as circumstantial and co-incidence. However, it is not a co-incidence in her circumstances, it is an established pattern. She was the only individual present at every single incident, including when her shifts were then switched to days! The event of unexplained collapses was totally unprecedented, it was not something that happened regardless or staffing levels it has not happened before and since Letby left the ward. She even wrote a note admitting her guilt, collected medical records and searched the dead babies parents. THAT is your evidence, don’t be so naive.
@@gems5638 ... THAT is your evidence, don’t be so naive.- are you writing tongue in cheek pointiing out that the evidence given was so left field you must be naive or if you reallly followed this reasoning given you have to see clearly it must be the truth. @elizabethrobertson5252 has given a good overall all summary of the situation. I myself am guadually working through the available information First up was baby A Where Lucy came on duty did hand over in nursary 1 nurses and babiea all around and about 20 minutes only in this settling to inject air before baby A collapsed. I was amazed when I realised the circumstances, I wondered if the accused ever tried a set up with an reenactment how it could be done.. Now finding all sorts of things about the insulin cases. I was amazed to why the hospital never did any serious investigating at the time. The way the information came to light never made sense at all. And the more I find out the more rediculous of pinning Lucy for this supposd crime is not on. This court of appearal hearing will take me a lot of time to figure out what is going on. I need to be able to stay awake first. Haha.
Im confused isn't she going to the criminal cases review commission ? Because then why do this?I strongly feel nobody should have to ask for permission to appeal its inhumane
Trials cost the tax payer so much money,thousands each day, if they did not have a process in order, every man and his dog, that are bang to rights.would waste time and money putting in place appeals through their Barristers, just for the Hell of it, even though their convictions are air-tight.
I've seen so many people say she's innocent. I just assumed she was innocent when she was arrested. I'm in New Zealand. I remember the media coverage. I thought she was innocent until her journal. Or notes she wrote were made public. I'm going to start at the beginning.
I've said for some time. There's something very wrong about this case and I firmly believe it will eventually come out. The problem is, the British legal system don't like to admit to mistakes and tend to allow people to languish in prison as opposed to admitting getting it wrong. It's happened so many times. Far more often than people think.
Lucy has no shame, guilt or remorse. This is why we have the DP in America. She shouldnt be sheilded from the energy of which she has forced into this world.
The sham of a court case is exactly why most countries dispensed with DP a long time ago. Killing a person on the most flimsy of circumstantial evidence is simply horrendous and inexcusable.
(CHAPTERS INCLUDED BELOW)
00:00 - 01:34 Introduction
01:34 - 52:18 Benjamin Myers KC Grounds of Appeal
52:18 - 01:38:00 Nicholas Johnson KC Prosecution Response
01:38:00 - 01:45:00 Benjamin Myers KC Defence
01:45:00 - 01:46:17 Nicholas Johnson KC Prosecution
01:46:17 - 02:18:41 Judgement
Thanx Jon❤
Brilliant 🏅 unique hidden footage of Crown 👑 Court! Excellent thanks!
The expertise and knowledge of Law in this court absolutely blows my mind. The hours of work they must have all put into this must take over their lives
@@lisamgreenleaf I needed a drink, after listening. Wow amazing
exactly. Which is why it is hugely triggering to hear the armchair idiots protest her innocence or say she didnt get a fair trial
@@ladymak-d8uyou are absolutely spot on. The comments I've seen. "Maybe the clock had gone forward or back depending on British summer time and she wrote notes at 9am and not 10am". Then other people "Email her Barrister". It's just madness. They really think they're the first person to think of anything. Desperation.
@@ladymak-d8utheir idea of a fair trial is they wanted the Prosecution to bring up other deaths in the unit which were not suspicious!
Thank you so much for sharing this, it's a fascinating look into the Court process. I'd often wondered from your previous readings of the purchased court transcripts what Nicholas Johnson KC actually sounded like. Keep up the fantastic work Jon, you're fighting a very worthy fight.
Excellent and so clear. Thank you Jon for posting this. Remember to click the like button everyone, he deserves it for his diligence.
I always do on all channels (except LL denier types) before watching otherwise I could forget.
@@judewhitbread2394I do the denier ones as well, but my blood pressure starts to rise. Are there any that are absolutely ridiculous? I go on because some of them decide to drop stuff on Jon's channel
Ben Myers seems like a nice man and if I am not mistaken Nick Johnson has a light Yorkshire twang there, which I wasn't expecting, in my imagination the 'Lee Cooper Leisure Suit' was said with a posh London accent ;)
How can anybody claim that Letby was not 'properly represented' when one sees Myers KC's Application here.
Myers worked his socks off. He had nothing to work with. He’s a brilliant KC but nobody can defend the indefensible.
Letby lovers endeavor to make it everyone else’s fault that the baby killer was convicted.
Because of the evidence regarding the potentially catastrophic risk of patient harm from the lack of staff, skills, failing infrastructure in the unit and how unstable the babies were plus other deaths due to infection revealed by the Thirlwall Inquiry that was not presented at the trial.
@@neilross5509 No - the Thirwell Inquiry has NOT contradicted Letby's trial. The other matters are being rehearsed because Letby took advantage of the chaotic management of the unit and the Managers covered up for her as part of covering up the problems they caused on the unit.
NOW DO YOU GET IT!
@@neilross5509Because those would only incriminate her further and prove her guilt . The only witness brought forward by defence was a plumber speaks volumes as any other expert witness would have confirmed her guilt.
@@uingaeoc3905Why the need to “shout” and be rude though? Surely we can all have a civilised debate without resorting to that? Your entitled to your opinion and so is everyone else. She was found guilty and as it stands she will spend the rest of her life in prison, the harshest punishment the English justice system can impose. For everyone who believes she is guilty, she is being punished in the only way the English courts allow. People are allowed to question that, as there have been many miscarriages of justice in the past. At the end of the day she was found guilty to the standard that was required but the only person who truly knows what happened is Lucy Letby herself. Please let’s voice out opinions but do it without being rude to others who think differently. If you don’t want to read about people who think she could be innocent, it’s probably best you stay away from the comments section.
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As an American unaccustomed to seeing such things I can honestly say I find the wigs quite delightful.
Why do they wear them ? American question. lol
@@sirgerbilmacintosh9101 the wigs are totally old fashioned and not necessary in modern day court rooms.
@@CrystalGlow-mu4bf They're not worn in juvenile courts to avoid intimidating minors, but barristers and judges actually like them. I think they see it as a symbol of their expertise and profession that sets them apart from laymen, like a uniform they've had to earn the right to wear.
@@Lonna_Loves Originally, to make them all look the same and also to anonymise court personnel a little. I've read comments from barristers who say they've walked out of the courthouse right past people involved in the trial and been completely unrecognised. The wig and robes change their shape and appearance enough.
They cost a fortune and make it harder for working people to get legal representation.
Also they are not VEGAN and rely on murdering horses.
Also while I am pro-LGBT I think fancy dandies should pay for their own costumes.
Nick Johnson is much more laid back here than how he is in court. He probably knew the defence didnt stand a chance in getting this approved
I watched part of the trial. From what I saw Ben Myers became extremely frustrated with Letby at times. Johnson was always the polite, patient one. And nailed her - every time 😊
Letby quickly learnt that she isn’t as clever as she thought 🤭
Johnson was polite.... dont make me laugh!
Do you remember being born! Harrassment and bullying.
@@RosieRoo-o1c
It is a completely different situation for the KC's. They submit their arguments in writing, and the Judges will hear oral arguments, allowing them to ask questions. So the KCs are providing argument only & answering the judge's questions, so yes they are much less dramatic. The argument is everything. Mr Johnson KC would not approach his argument, thinking that the defense would lose as a matter of course. He provides an argument including reference to the law to counter the defence's argument to be allowed to appeal. It's just as serious as the trial for both Barristers.
Yes. I agree. No pressure
@@RosieRoo-o1cooh, this is interesting? Tell me more
The appeal was so weak you wonder why they bothered
Both Barristers are only giving summaries of their arguments in their oral address to the Judges. Their written submission will be more detailed.
@@GRMLS5but surely the outlines will simply be an abridged version of the same subjects? I just think some people expected more.
It's because they only allow really narrow points to be used for an appeal. You can't re-try case. You need to scramble to find reasons to have the case looked at again.
I'm convinced there's a problem in this case. I said it long ago. It will probably take years to come out, if past cases of injustice are anything to go by, but it will come out. The British legal establishment don't like to admit mistakes and have a track record of leaving people in prison for years before facing up to their mistakes.
At this point it seems like pure reputation management on LL's part
@@lesley9989 This appeal is leave to appeal against the trial judge's decision to reject the defense motion to not proceed with the re-trial due to excessive publicity, as the defendant would not get a fair trial. Because they had the trial, conviction, and sentence, the appeal court accepts the jury's verdict. So, the appeal can only be on if the defendant had a fair trial. In that case, did the judge err by rejecting the defense motion to not proceed with the trial. It may not seem much, but this is how sometimes people get retrials, to be resentenced or even rarely have the verdict vacated, it has to be based on very serious error of the court trying the case. It has to be on the law not on guilt or innoceent. Its all about fair trial on an appeal. Its why defence put in so many motions & objections before or during the trial, otherwise they will not have a reason to appeal.
Excellent work Jon.
There was the Re-Trial of the Baby K case and there was an Application to Appeal which was REFUSED by Goss LJ. This is an Application to overturn Goss LJ's decision and allow an Appeal. So this is an Appeal, to Appeal to the Appeal Court!
@@uingaeoc3905 I hope she’s miserable, in jail 😡 poor babies
@@twinklestar620What if she did not kill them, there was no evidence to suggest she did.
@@johnkeating4221two lots of jury’s and the cumulative amount of evidence says otherwise.
@@johnkeating4221her own testimony was evidence enough ..I've been a nurse for years and she was dangerous and entitled at the very least . Not signing for medication. Not finishing paperwork and coming back in on her nights off to finish it. Taking home all those notes etc. . One of the things said in the
Trial that really struck me . Was when she said she didn't know how the insulin got in the babies bags. So if she didn't do it who did. Stalking the parent on Facebook for years shows she is sick and dangerous.
@@johnkeating4221 Yes there was, circumstantial evidence. Direct evidence from her phone. The injuries on the babies.
Finally hearing my bf Nicholas Johnson’s voice.
Regarding the police speaking to media using various adjectives to describe Letby and her crimes post first conviction, it would have absolutely no influence on me as a member of the next jury.
I think most reasonable, intelligent people understands that any jury member can only make any determination by the facts brought forward in the case. I could not care less what any pro Letby or anti Letby proponents stated in the media post first conviction. Just give me the facts.
Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that any juror will be able to ignore anything reported in the media 😪
@ninaleach6350 most people don't care about true crime
Thank you Jon! I've been following trials for over 40 years and have never seen such a prosecutor. He is truly exceptional. Other prosecutors should watch and study his work.
Isn’t he!
He is superb but he is also a defence lawyer, one of his defence cases was a teenager girl who was on trial for killing a 7 year old
He would of had the same struggles as Myers if he was defending lucifer but he was meticulous in the 2 trials of lucifer
Agreed a true master
I’ve been following criminal cases for 25 years and your channel is the best I’ve ever watched, the factual content is so well delivered
Jon I can’t thank you enough for dedication you have given to this case!
This was broadcast by Sky news courts . If Jon wants to put it on his channel thats his perogative.
Great insight to the appeal by both lawyers for both sides. The defence argument fell at the very first hurdle as they agreed to no media restrictions after the first trial sentences. To argue after the second trial was always going to fail.
no comments allowed on Sky
Am i right in thinking that this appeal hearing is saying that she was prejudiced at the baby k re trial due to the fact that media etc said those things after her main trial therefore she could not get a fair trial at the baby k trial?? Thanks for posting this extremely interesting
Yet again, the correct outcome.
Is it just me or does Ben Myers waffle on and take ages getting to the point? By which time - what was the point? And expecting the court to imagine how things might have been if the trial of Baby K came before the first trial - - - very confusing
Thanks Jon!! Will you be releasing further Police interviews ?
Fascinating. Thanks Jon. Really helping me understand the case more.
But remember…whilst almost certainly Letby was rightfully found guilty, the legal system in England hasn’t changed much for centuries. The more money you have the more likely you are to win your case. The saying “justice within English Law is open to everyone just like the doors of the Ritz Hotel” is true. Moreover our class ridden Society often means that those in positions of power are often able to avoid appearing in Court for criminal acts. English Law and our system of government belongs to the 18th Century and both protect the rich. If you want to seek justice in English Law be prepared to spend many years fighting the system and make sure you are willing to face the possibility of losing many thousands of pounds. This nonsense of wearing silly hats is to demonstrate that they are above ordinary people. Don’t ever imagine that we English are all equal under English Law. Look at our politicians in the House of Commons. They don’t represent the people.
Thank you so much for this ❤
How on earth did they expect to defend peoples opinions? There is still free speech. For goodness sake, Ben Myers is stoking her manipulation.
He's just doing his job. He represents her. If she instructed him to appeal, he was bound to appeal.
Nick Johnson KC really ripping apart the hostile media story. Good to see.
"Beige does not equate to vitriolic." 💀
That was so interesting to listen to. Thank you so much for sharing this Jon, I really appreciate it 💯👌
Thank you so much for this video. So much goes into a court hearing doesn't it?? You have done amazing to capture everything
Thanks Jon. Much appreciated 😊
I’m pleased by the response
To think the center of all this expanding loonyverse is one blazing star! Amazing how so many still understand so little about the complexities of a serial killer's devious criminal mind. This honey of a stinger certainly still seems to rule over a hive buzzing with worker and drone supporters, defenders and disputers. I guess there are those who will never be able to comprehend the predatory, self sustaining internal nature of a killer queen bee. 🐝
It's what the mask of the Vulnerable/Covert Narcissist is designed to do. The constant victim always has a band of flying monkeys.
Good evening, John. You have done us all proud. Thank you.
Wow so good to see this!
I think I prefer Jon’s version of Nicholas Johnson’s KC’s voice👍
So all of that media content remains public to this day. Yet The New Yorker article is STILL under embargo...
Good work again. Also I've always wondered whether they feel silly in those rather antiquated outfits.
Thanks for this Jon!
Wow we get to see the actual courtroom. I'm new to british law, but how are you able to get this recorded? Much appreciated 👍
It has been released by the court
@@CrimeScene2Courtroom ah how interesting and unusual. I always thought we dont ever have cameras or anything from the courts cuz it's not allowed. Do you know what grounds in which the court decides to go ahead with releasing footage? Soz if I'm annoying you with questions lol
@@TheNerd-Yusually when there's public interest. it's unusual but does happen. i think they've said she has the highest number of child victims in the uk & she was an nhs nurse on a high risk ward so they are probably all factors that they consider to be in the public interest. seeing as there has been a lot of discussion regarding the trial itself, they may have decided to put the video out as a definitive close to the case as she now cannot appeal again. they talk about the media coverage in the judgment section, so i guess this is their way of asking the public to have faith in their decision to refuse this appeal, and to stop debating her guilt🤷🏻♀️
@@rozreallyreads ahhh okay thank you for the info!
@@TheNerd-Y This is NOT a Trial. This is a procedural matter called an 'Appeal' not a re-Trial.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate this.
Impressive performances certainly. Looking at UK trials and US trials though contrasts ancient and modern. Do we really need fancy dress to dispense justice? I don’t think we do.😮
It beats lolling about making faces at the prosecusion. LOL!
Sorry for flipancy but I'm refering to the Jodi Arias case.
It's a public stage. Justice must be seen and heard. The clothing reflects the gravity and traditions of the UK justice system.
@@franm.8343 If you look at the US, justice is very much seen and. heard without the need for fancy dress. It is more symbolic of the people delivering justice to the people rather than a historical relic. I have no doubt that when citizens are deprived of their liberty or even their lives, the gravity is well and truly felt.
@@EuphemiaGrubb I'll have to check that out. thanks
America retains legalised slavery in its penitential system. At least the medieval trappings in the British system are just fancy dress.
The evidence oh publicity was overwhelming…. Nope you got right the first time
This barrister was obviously very nervous during his presentation
Because he is human.
@@francesbernard2445 it’s a barrister’s job to present in court, why would he be nervous doing his job !!!
@@susansaxon4780People are nervous doing their jobs all the time! Plus, this is being televised! That's not a typical day at work.
I still cannot help thinking that this was a miscarriage of justice!
It wasn't. Justice has been served.
Then go and straighten your thinking cap. It’s not sitting right. Glad to be of assistance ☺️
You don't understand anything about the case then.
This isn't about feelings
It’s only my humble opinion… 👍🏻
Brilliant thanks 👍
"good morning the worm 'Your Honour', the Crown will plainly show the prisoner..."
Hey Jon❤thank you 😊
Outstanding jon.. thank u 💓
The papers don’t give 2 shits already
Please can you increase the volume 😊
It's only the first part which is low, it picks up
Superb!
@@CrimeScene2Courtroom
Ok....Thankyou
What is your email address please 🙏
Thankyou John
So at the start of this, let me understand, because she was found guilty in the first trial, the publicity in the second trial is why she was convicted? So the same principle would apply then to pretty much anyone tried for more than one crime and had second third or 4th trial whose name is in the public domain? I'm confused. Sorry, Further, isn't that asking for government controlled media?
Thanks for putting this up Jon xx
there going round the houses now. i hope none of this is on legal aid
Top journalism off Jon again!!
Thanx Jon
So interesting that the British courts are televised on some cases. I wonder what Americans make of the robes and horse hair wigs?
@@rainbows9060 😂
American here. I wish our judges wore wigs here
How do I send Lucy Letby a letter?
Why is lucy not in court in this video
She was listening live from HMP Bronzefield.
@@davidzimmerman1732 was she on video link
@@gazelliott2414 I don't know - I only read listening.
Amazing decision..thank you
It’s strange seeing the proceedings of a uk high court, I love watching trails but only ever get the chance to watch them based in the us due to the uk laws. It seems things are changing and maybe soon we might get to watch uk trails
I haven’t followed this case , is there anyone who has followed it in great details that feels lucy is not guilty of these charges ?
Thank you Jon 💖🇬🇧
Thank you Jon❤
How can anyone harm a child they must be pure evil
Thank you John ❤
Benjamin myers sounds like he doesn’t believe a word he’s reading off that paper. Stunning over his words and explanations, grasping at straws.
He probably doesn't! Still, a nice little earner for him though.
@@Yelluz He is ensuring that every possible process is explored.
I thought this, interesting he’s stepping down..
He has to try to defend his indefensible client. Poor chap
Immediate skip to Nick J thanks Jon!!
Why wasn't Judge John Deed there? Already retired?
Thank you.
Brilliant. Thank you John
Thankyou ❤ Jon ❤
Thanks Jon.
She's obviously pulling a Myra Hindley, chancing her arm at anything at all. I have a feeling we are going to be hearing a lot about Lucy in the next many years. She'll have a lot of time on her hands to scheme and plan.
She literally had nothing else to do now. She's gonna be the female Jeremy Bamber 😬🙄
@@carlaorchard6794she will be exonerated. She is completely innocent and many professionals believe this.
@juenothing5432 🤣🤣😅 all I'm gonna say to that is prove it. I think shes exactly where she should be. She isn't even allowed to appeal. 😬
@@juenothing5432yes I agree. There was definitely a lack of evidence proving her guilty. All they had were the notes she write after years of being bullied and harassed and called names by so called doctors. Her friends all stand by her to this day as do many other nurses who were threatened with dismissal if they spoke up in her defence in court. She put blame on herself for something that she wasn’t guilty of and under the circumstances she was in it’s easy to see why. A complete cover up of the failings of the hospital is what is was, and she was the scapegoat.
Excellent thanks. 👍
The Letby innocent brigade have not got the attention span of more than a couple of minutes to listen to this that's why they get all there information of twitter...that's why there are sensible and well informed comments on this video.
I still have doubts that she was guilty as well as the evidence that any of the babies were even murdered. Sorry but the more I look at this case, the more it points to a complete set up.
They allowed it to be recorded? 🤔
And? British Court trials are not recorded to protect witnesses and jurors. Very often the Judges sentencing remarks and the sentencing of a defendant are recorded and broadcast.
@@RosieRoo-o1c AND? Why so rude? As far as I am aware cameras aren't usually allowed/trials or hearings are not usually broadcast from inside UK courts, hence why I asked a simple question. You could have answered it in a nicer way, taking into account that not everyone may be aware of the protocol surrounding recordings in British courts, or just kept your mouth shut.
@ Cameras are not allowed in UK Courts for the reasons I stated. Why question the recording of an appeal application? It isn’t a Court Trial.
@ If you are British you should know Court Procedure. If you’re not British UK trials are none of your business!
@@RosieRoo-o1c come on guys ☺️
My question to this channel, where are the transcripts for the Defence..
Have you purchased them, and if you have .why haven't you done a vlog. It appears that people are now talking about this channel for being biased....what's your answer to this...question
Womp womp🍅
Thank you Jon.
If it was me, I would have thrown every evidence, I could find and think of. She declined a couple clinicians that, were willing to give evidence, on her behalf
I can guarentee the very people proclaiming her innocence will not view this in full, where Nick Johnson KC states very clearly that Letby had the opportunity not just once but TWICE to call medical experts to establish she was innocent of the charges in the original trial and she chose not to call anyone. I don't know what more needs to be said about her proclamation of innocence when she is choosing not to fully deploy a defense, and one can only surmise that had she done that it would have established once again that she was guilty.
@@Andrew-zu2gjAbsolutely!
My thoughts exactly.and had 9 months from the trial to the first appeal and still called no defence.
@@Andrew-zu2gjIt is for her KC to make those decisions. Who to bring as a witness would not be something she would have the knowledge or ability to decide upon. Personally I think her KC very cleverly threw this case on to the lap of the prosecutor.
Listen to him....heinous previous convictions....he is such a waffler, oh we must be fair no matter previous convictions.
@@Andrew-zu2gjthis is what I keep thinking. And what I say to anyone who thinks she didn’t get an adequate defence
She shouldn’t see daylight again.
The Judge should have some medical knowledge given the amount and complexity of the information. He obviously didn’t have a full grasp. Infection kills one of the instances where less attention was paid to this also nutrition and hydration was lacking in instances delays in administrating certain medication essential to life for prem babies.
'We hope to come back with our decision before lunch'. My God - they put a lot of thought and fact checking into that didn't they.
The points of law being put forward had no reasonable chance of success?
A complete waste of taxpayers money which would have made no difference from the initial outcome.
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Yes but it’s part of the trial. Every criminal is entitled to lodge an application for Leave to Appeal. It was never going to be granted but her KC had to go through the motions or her fanclub would be screaming “Unfair!” Weve heard that once or twice haven’t we? 😂
@@RosieRoo-o1cHardly a good fight was it. I think her KC was just trying to bore the pants of those listening. What total drivel from her defence lawyer. No wonder she was found guilty. What a tit!
Hillarious, how they say Dr. Pinocchio probably isnt credie but don't do anything about it
The truth will out.
It's already out give ur head a wobble she's guilty
@@JacquelineWilliams-x9o she is not
@@adammarshall9077 pigs fly
The truth IS out
Myers is like Starmer, dull as dishwater. Letby had no chance.
3 months may seem like a short time however a 'nurse' taking over the care of a child like Lucy Letby would probable be more than grandmas and grandpas who are often slow with fixing up enough meals every 3 hours 24 hours per day when left with caring for 2 infants. They didn't call that generation the greatest generation for nothing. What could people do when living in a war zone. Like for a while in the U.K. too.
Come again??
Already posted by Sky 24 hours ago.
Where is the evidence? They were under skilled, understaffed, over subscribed above their level of competence. Neonatologists who would be a constant expert presence should have been on that unit given the condition of these fragile babies and not paediatricians visiting occasionally and leaving specialist interventions to junior doctors who were unsuccessful and resulted in additional suffering for these tiny babies. The unit was full of bacteria too. The Judge was wrong when he directed the Jury that infection or similar words to the same effect would make no difference . I have made so many observations over the period of the trial that I can no longer at present. Someone had to be the Scapegoat for incompetent care.
Your delusional. Where is the evidence? Did you follow the trial? Yes there is such a thing as circumstantial and co-incidence. However, it is not a co-incidence in her circumstances, it is an established pattern. She was the only individual present at every single incident, including when her shifts were then switched to days! The event of unexplained collapses was totally unprecedented, it was not something that happened regardless or staffing levels it has not happened before and since Letby left the ward. She even wrote a note admitting her guilt, collected medical records and searched the dead babies parents. THAT is your evidence, don’t be so naive.
@@gems5638 ... THAT is your evidence, don’t be so naive.- are you writing tongue in cheek pointiing out that the evidence given was so left field you must be naive or if you reallly followed this reasoning given you have to see clearly it must be the truth. @elizabethrobertson5252 has given a good overall all summary of the situation. I myself am guadually working through the available information First up was baby A Where Lucy came on duty did hand over in nursary 1 nurses and babiea all around and about 20 minutes only in this settling to inject air before baby A collapsed. I was amazed when I realised the circumstances, I wondered if the accused ever tried a set up with an reenactment how it could be done.. Now finding all sorts of things about the insulin cases. I was amazed to why the hospital never did any serious investigating at the time. The way the information came to light never made sense at all. And the more I find out the more rediculous of pinning Lucy for this supposd crime is not on. This court of appearal hearing will take me a lot of time to figure out what is going on. I need to be able to stay awake first. Haha.
Im confused isn't she going to the criminal cases review commission ? Because then why do this?I strongly feel nobody should have to ask for permission to appeal its inhumane
Trials cost the tax payer so much money,thousands each day, if they did not have a process in order, every man and his dog, that are bang to rights.would waste time and money putting in place appeals through their Barristers, just for the Hell of it, even though their convictions are air-tight.
Not very bright then are you 🙄
@@rainbows9060She has to apply to appeal before she can go to the CCRC.
Omg that's was riveting !😴
She’s innocent! Dr J changed his testimony so many times. The babies easily self dislodge the tubes . This is a miscarriage of justice.
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I've seen so many people say she's innocent. I just assumed she was innocent when she was arrested. I'm in New Zealand. I remember the media coverage. I thought she was innocent until her journal. Or notes she wrote were made public. I'm going to start at the beginning.
@judithwilliams3147 you're all a joke
Not in babies paralysed with pancuronium they don’t. Or in 40% of your previous work shifts.
You are wrong gonahullk,
She is guilty
she did not do it
She did.
I've said for some time. There's something very wrong about this case and I firmly believe it will eventually come out.
The problem is, the British legal system don't like to admit to mistakes and tend to allow people to languish in prison as opposed to admitting getting it wrong.
It's happened so many times. Far more often than people think.
So glad we get to see Nick the KC.
He really is brilliant.
Lucy has no shame, guilt or remorse. This is why we have the DP in America. She shouldnt be sheilded from the energy of which she has forced into this world.
The sham of a court case is exactly why most countries dispensed with DP a long time ago. Killing a person on the most flimsy of circumstantial evidence is simply horrendous and inexcusable.