Each nursing skill or competency is supposed to be formally assessed by another registered and experienced nurse, and signed off and witnessed. If she wasnt signed off on a competency then her work must be supervised by an experienced nurse.
Been looking forward to this particular video since I heard you were working on it. Thanks again Jon for all your hard work and effort you put in, it really comes through in your work. Thanks ❤
@KentReynolds Pretty young white women get attention and support at a higher rate than anyone else. If she were a man, a person of color, or ugly she wouldn't have such a huge fanclub. This is a phenomenon observed across the world. Racism and sexism have a bigger effect than what people would like to believe. These are just my feelings.
Lucy gives her guilt away here that it was obviously a criminal investigation that she was in a police interview, but she was talking as if she wasn't aware by going on about her "competencies".
It's even stranger that more babies died when she wasn't on a duty than when she was. Are we meant to believe there was a serial killer AND an underperforming ward? Not impossible, but improbable...
It's because the types of babies being taken into the unit changed at that time, as a result of the increased deaths...so it's warped data really...they started only taking babies over a certain age and taking on less poorly babies as their status changed due to the concerns...so not because LL was no longer on shift, but because they started taking only the less sick/vulnerable babies...
The unit was down graded, in other words really sick prem babies were not admitted to the ward , babies not as vulnerable , so yes the death rate dropped as it would
@@charlottelee3727 What is propaganda? Propaganda is the dissemination of information - facts, arguments, rumours, half-truths or lies to influence public opinion. This is factual, as written down directly from her interviews with the police in her own words.
I love how you are covering this case. I approached this with an open mind I’d hate for an innocent person to be branded a baby killer without good evidence. Lucy comes across as very plausible I can see why she has an innocence following. Quiet and unassuming. She has been described as a diligent Nurse which completely contrasts taking home patient confidential information, which she is aware of dealing with confidential waste correctly. I have seen an evidence photo of a shredder she owned which she lied to police saying she didn’t have one! If she was a diligent Nurse she could have returned the paperwork to work and put it in confidential waste at anytime. She could have shredded it or burned it all in her garden. In my opinion she chose to keep that paperwork for a reason which makes her look suspicious. If I was on the jury I would want to see the numbers of deaths and collapses before, during and after Lucy was redeployed cos unless there is more than one baby killer at that hospital the figures will show it. What struck me also was when she was moved from nights to days and the death pattern changed shifts too! Coincidence?
My daughter is a nurse and she’s baffled how Lucy keeps saying how “we didn’t really receive any training in…” administration of insulin, handling hypoglycaemic events, ETT care, etc. She makes no sense. Is she the equivalent of an LPN or a QMA in the US? How is she able to care for neonates if she’s not trained in such things?
As a nurse working in elderly care I have received training in all these areas and am required to have my competencies checked annually. She lies so often she contradicts herself.
She also claims poor equipment, lack of doctor support, too much work. Yet she does not cite a single instance where care was compromised due to lack of physician contact. The only equipment issue I ever heard about was a port on IV tubing on one patient. Yet I heard no testimony about changing that tubing immediately because it was potentially defective and alerting my manager about what I had found. Now, being stretched for time? Absolutely, that is endemic to nursing. So, mostly vague assertions.
@@kellie5476 Same here, both creators are brilliant, look forward to more of the police interviews from Jon and Deceptive Detective's coverage on the LL case, thank you both for all your hard work
Jon, The lady is great narrator, but...I think that You played Luzy better than she does! 😅 It sounds rather strange, but I LOVED your monotone sound 😅 Also, you witnessed Lucy. You know EXACTLY how she said things! That is very hard to repeat by other person who has not HEARD her in real life! Also, you conveyed her manners and personality perfectly! The lady sounds too excited and full of life. Too beautiful of a person. Lucy is full of EMPTINESS and nothingness. The lady sounds like she has 150 friends, 8 grandchildren, goes to balls and dances her night away. She has written 10 children's books and read them all aloud on the radio. Her back garden hosts annual teaparties and she is famous about her baking and cooking. She also has travelled widely and loves to explore new avenues. She has couple of degrees and has passion for many things! LOL 😅 She sounds like an absolutely amazing person with her very beautiful and rich voice! ❤❤❤😊😊😊 I will check out her narration jobs as I think that what ever she narrates sounds rich and velvety and full of life! ❤❤❤
Im only 1/4 in but she was more afraid of being perceived as being incompetent rather than the upset that maybe she was crap and that was killing babies. I'd be devastated and ask for all the retraining and checking I could get. Its like she's more afraid of failing her exams and what people will think.
yes, that's what I was thinking. It's not like putting goods on the wrong shelf and being scared of getting fired. People died. I would have really questioned my competencies and vocation at this point and would have been the first to ask to be moved somewhere else with less responsabilities...
@@user-ur9es1wl2u no idea which of them I’m just passively listening to all the info. Don’t have my corkboard out trying to pin together a conspiracy theory.
Notice that she’s fairly detailed about her other training, then somehow isn’t aware of air embolisms or insulin - makes her look guilty. Also, I noticed that she still talks about the neonatal unit workplace as “we”, whereas she talks about her then-current workplace in the risk and patient safety office as “they”. It was the same on the stand this year: she hasn’t been a nurse for 8 years now yet she still kept talking about being a nurse in the present tense, and as “we do this, we do that”. She’s permanently stuck in 2016.
@Victoria-iu5sb Labelling a discrepancy between her being detailed about aspects of her training but not knowing as much regarding the technicalities of embolisms and such as 'looking guilty' is a stretch and sheer conjecture. And her talking about herself being a nurse in the present tense is not only nowhere being evidence of any wrongdoing but may simply show her mind is still on the job as it were, in a state of shock potentially? A devils advocate position is needed here.
@@Wizthings, not necessarily. Air embolism through an NG tube is poorly documented. Plenty of publications debunk the theory of NG tube air embolism. To know that, you need to be in the speciality (neonatologist).
It threw me off hearing a new voice reading Lucy’s words. I must say I prefer when you read it more because you don’t add any emotion, so the words speak for themselves.
I may have missed it but I didnt hear her say anywhere in the interviews that she was advised to write down her thoughts and fellings by her GP, therapist or anybody like that as we were led to believe from that bogus article the other day. Some peoples shame has no bounds!
A therapist / GP would not have told her to write down that she was evil and was guilty of what she was being accused of. These are her own disturbing thoughts. If a therapist told her to write down her thoughts then we at least have a motive for her confession
Not to come across as defending anything, but this is a dramarisation. The males voice and accent and attenuation and the females voice are not an exact replication so one should not infer anything in relation to proof of innocent or guilt from the delivery of the words. The facts are that she is either guilty as charged or a victim of circumstancial evidence that did not prove without a reason of doubt murder. I really hope that it is the case that she is guilty as charged but it would be terrible if she isvt.
Well she was very aware it was possible she may have killed through error or bad practice. So to me what she is saying would be how someone would talk.
@dannymurphy1779 no she didn't say she didn't kill them she replied I didn't kill them on purpose, I would say I didnt kill them at all if I was innocent like she now professes. I would also have questioned why they thought it was me.
Yes that part is at 14.00 I thought that was a strange thing to say, like she slipped up there. I'm beginning to wonder whether she has a dissociative disorder
@jill677 it's bizarre, I don't know anyone would who would say I didnt kill them on purpose, I don't think she has anything wrong either, just pure evil. I think as soon as her parents have died she will admit it all.
Agreed, a person who believed themselves innocent would never admit to such a thing unless there was irrefutable proof in front of them that they just couldn't deny
Ok notes.. could be about anything really. But keeping med reports, not reacting to alarms when children were struggling, always being around at times of death, Facebook stalking bereaved families. It's a huge reach to say this was a set up
So, that friend who came forward after LL was locked up for life and claimed she was being bullied by the nurses and doctors ... not according to LL who felt like they were a close-knit 'family' and had absolutely no issues with the doctors ...
Why would you say anything else in a formal interview with police though? You'd hardly want to start dishing out on your colleagues when you're under interrogation/police interview. Also it's possible to have a good sense of a team, of teamwork, yet there could still be bullying going on within the team. The two things aren't necessarily contradictory.
@@John-p7i5g It's possible that was her rationale, yes. But let's put this into context. Colleagues are saying you accidentally or purposely harmed babies. You know you didn't and are being unfairly accused. These colleagues have been bullying you for 1-4 years and your precious career and freedom are seriously at risk. Would you be thinking 'I want to present a good picture of team unity' or 'I need to expose this bullying so that they can see there's an established pattern of these people targeting me and this is just them taking it a step too far and accusing me of murder' ? Painting picture of no one having a vendetta against her wasnt wise if she was really being bullied. PLUS she also confirmed in court under oath 5 years later that there was no bullying and she had good relations with all. When you've been in prison for 3 years and you're facing a LIFETIME in prison, why would you not say in court that you were covering up for people during the police interview but you were being bullied and then supply some evidence of this? LL was the queen of throwing people under the bus, even her bestie Nurse E when it came down to it so why protect the bullies who couldn't get at her? It just DOESN'T add up.
@@ellea2541 I agree it doesn't add up. I think LL had a sense of identity with the team. She speaks about it in the interview. And how she suffered when taken off the team. But clearly there were some accusers amongst the team but more so in the consultants. Those two things can both be true, and she may have emphasized one or other in different contexts under questioning or cross examination. That's why it's a shame that all the transcripts and videos aren't public (with any necessary privacy redactions) and available for scrutiny. Especially now the trial is over. It's just adding to the speculation.
@@John-p7i5g I agree. This case has brought about so much divided opinions that it would be good if The Powers That Be just gave free access to the redacted transcripts
Are we supposed to believe a woman who was doing masters training in nursing didn’t know about insulin? I seriously can’t believe people think this woman is innocent.
Can't you also believe that twenty-four expert (some eminant) statisticians and neonatologists who have written to the Justice Minister, voicing their concerns about the prosecution evidence. Or that two Members of Parliament are also looking into it, etc. Do you think those people would bother if they thought she was guilty?
@@user-ur9es1wl2u she was supposed to know everything about it. She’s a qualified nurse and should be able to explain the mechanism of action, how to administer it safely and how to document it.
@@philipholding the statistics don’t have any real bearing on the case. LL is a liar who, at best, is criminally incompetent and at worst, was deliberately trying to murder newborn babies.
Wow, Jon. Thanks for this. What stood out to me was that during the questioning around the rationale behind the notes and her communication with her 'support network', she didn't once allude to the emotional impact of the babies dying or collapsing in her care which would seem the obvious response. Her focus seemed purely on her career and reputation.
@@IncompetentKlutz She was under investigation though. She may have bottled it up in this context, and wanted to stick mainly to the facts as she saw them. Also we don't have the video so it's hard to tell. The image of a cold hearted killer is difficult to imagine given her friend's testimonies and video of her socialising. Usually that dead pan response that criminals give shows no life behind the facade. Completely empty and blank. Whereas LL clearly had an inner emotional life, given the journals
People who work in hospitals tend to be very matter of fact about life and death as they see so much of it. Emotionaly desensitised/removed, much like police are
Have you ever been arrested ?... held in custody on very serious charges ?...under the direction of legal counsel ?... and very scared ?. I have, she answers exactly as I would expect. Do you know what guilty people say to all questions ?...NO COMMENT...she didn't.
@@dazuk1969 Absolutely agree with you ! It's ironic that some criticize the accused for not addressing the emotional impact of the babies dying or collapsing, yet they fail to consider the intense pressure and setting of the questioning. The police had likely already formed their conclusions, rather than staying impartial, and Letby no doubt sensed this atmosphere.
You can't really say how a person would respond. If I was in that situation, I think I would be worried for myself too! Doesn't mean you don't care about the babies but self preservation would absolutely be there
Yes and they're willing to make stuff up or even talk about evidence that doesn't exist as if the police and/or court have edited or manufactured the transcripts to support the verdict. Very sad.
Me too was on Black Belt Barrister he has doubts and all the morons on there too think she is innocent , i commented she is guilty due to not having children herself possibly , and some idiot said i would be sued for libel when she is released !!
Feelings when you think you have killed people accidentally due to incompetence are not the same as when you know you have killed them intentionally. If you think your clinical skills may have been sub-par, you would feel GUILTY, yes.... but EVIL?? Even young children would associate the word 'evil' with intentionally bad people... the villain in a cartoon or movie etc... If people thought she was incompetent, how did she jump to 'evil' rather than 'useless', 'rubbish', 'crap' etc? Absolutely BS, LL ... competencies, my ass!
Exactly. Letby supporters have the same personalities as her which is why they identify with her. They’re self absorbed people who feel sorry for themselves.
@@ellea2541 I'm not so sure. You can do something unintentionally and feel excessive guilt and irrationally call yourself evil, in light of the catastrophic consequences. Also, this was a free flow of thoughts in a journal, not an edited essay, where you might choose your words more carefully. And again, if you are going to weight interpretation so heavily on her literal words, then you would have to also weight her words 'I am innocent' equally.
@@John-p7i5g I have wondered at times whether she entered dissociative states for a few minutes whilst doing things like dislodging tubes, injecting air or overfeeding and genuinely couldn't remember them when she came to. A Jekyll and Hyde kind of presentation. I say that because her notes aren't written in one voice of one accord and she generally claims to have written them in one sitting, which doesn't fit with how it is presented on the page in layers. I feel like she was still in whatever giddy or one-track mind frame in a number of the cases where staff or parents said she was acting oddly. Cases C, E, G, I, K, M, O, P come to mind... times when she was oddly calm or was just standing there watching the desaturating happening, forgot to appear shocked or seemed excited or was physically restless. I imagine the 'I did this' almost as a stark realisation or surprise that she did something she didn't feel she was capable of and she was temporarily horrified by it ... until the compulsion overtook her and led to hamer harming the next. Some of her texts read as though something was bubbling over that she couldn't contain. Her wording 'Blew up abdomen' is odd, for example, because it could mean that the baby's abdomen blew up but could equally mean she did the blowing up of the abdomen. It's like an urge to confess an act without confessing.
@@ellea2541 it's possible. Your dissociative state hypothesis is about the most credible I've read explaining how or why she did this, given the lack of prior indications or apparent motive.
After reading that 40% of endo tracheal tube dislodgements were done whilst LL was on duty at Liverpool Womens Hospital when the normal occurrence is under 1%, she isn't only guilty but deranged.
Or just remarkably cack-handed?? She might be a bright person and obviously did well at uni, but it doesn't necessarily follow, in my opinion, that it means she has perfect dexterity. Were these deaths the result of her manual incompetence that she was trying to cover up?
@stephenlunn3049 She was a qualified nurse. She could not be back handed 40% of the time. Dislodgement of an ET tube happens very rarely. She seems bright but dug herself a bigger hole by not just admitting her guilt. It is extremely difficult to dislodge ET tubes. Nurses normally do not insert them, they maintain them. Look at the evidence with the triplets, she dislodged the tubes. She is deranged.
It is my considered opinion that those insisting on her innocence, particularly the few who, it seems, have closely followed available information, are choosing to be delusional. The rest can't be taken remotely seriously, until they make themselves aware of the available case information.
Thank you Jon! Already getting caught in lies. That note doesn’t match “we think your professional competencies don’t meet our standards”. What a liar.
My impression is that she's extremely clever at being vague when necessary. And the level of panic which she puts down to being thought of as incompetent really doesn't match other aspects of her character ( the grievance, the haughty email informing them of her return, the text messages). The refusal to acknowledge her blatant breaking of the Code of Conduct. The reason for the panic...? Rumbled. Caught.
What is crystal clear from the comments here is the danger of jury trials. There is nothing whatsoever in this video to show guilt, yet look how many responders imagine that they can interpret everything from her emotions to what she did not say as proving the case against her. Just place yourself in the position of being wrongly accused and in an interview with a policeman who thinks he already has all of the answers and is clearly trying to lead her into saying something that he can interpret as evidence of guilt. Damned if she answered and however she answered, and damned if she didn't. That is the position she was in. Then, picture a jury of 12 from the like of the "experts" on here tasked with judging reports arising from this interview.
You’ve asked the question what would you do ? Like being honest and not telling lies is a insurmountable complex task that is too much to ask of someone being questioned about serious crimes.
"So you are moved onto days and child O and child P die and child Q collapsed...so what are your thoughts on that? After you've been moved onto days? What are your thoughts on that?" What an innocent person would have said.... "I couldn't believe it..I was freaking out, paranoid that someone was setting me up. Something really evil was happening in this ward and whoever was doing it needed to be stopped. I begged my superiors to open an investigation and took my annual leave to look for a new job. I wrote my resignation letter and saved it on my computer. I wanted to leave and go to another job where this nightmare of understaffing, bottom heavy staff mix, lack of equipment, low morale and constant death and grief wouldn't exist".. Letby's actual answer.. "I'm not sure."
@@KentReynolds Still, some behaviours are so egregious, they fall outside the definition of a otherwise pithy statement that excuses everything therefore explaining nothing when it comes to specifics. Like including a third still alive triplet in a practice run of consolation words structured like a epitaph for the deaths of all 3.
@Springreverb8 Agree completely. But I've finally realised that no amount of sense, logic or fact is gonna make the slightest dent in their alternative narratives so I'll take a break to save what's left of my sanity 🤯😏
@@judewhitbread2394 I was thinking the same thing myself. One day you wake up and realise you’ve become part of the problem. We are all too aware that all we are to each other are just random nobodies on the internet. It’s not a good environment for changing minds, which is hard enough without the added problem of people saying things just to spite you. You can only hope to sow the seeds for a later time when nobody needs to know. The parents need the support, not the killer of their children.
As ever this is a fabulous podcast, Jon - you’re a master, you truly are. One thing if you don’t mind me saying, whilst your female co-presenter is very good speaking as Letby, I do feel she speaks too fast, bubbly and louder than Letby did. In the interview we’ve all heard where Letby speaks, she has a very quiet, hesitant, whispery voice, almost devious and disconcerting - which demonstrates her nature far better than a friendly, bubbly, quickly spoken voice.
It's incredible how many expert psychologists have commented having deduced that by analysing the tiniest details this is pretty conclusive proof that these are the answers of psychopath rather than someone stressed and anxious. Very Impressive considering the answers are all not only consistent but a totally reasonable explanation of the reason for writing the notes and their meaning.
After hearing this, all of my “this doesn’t make any sense” thoughts are now justified by LL making absolutely no sense at all. The lack of sense in the notes now makes sense. (Does that make sense?)
She "lost everything" because she was taken off the unit and wasn't allowed contact with anyone? Those innocent babies lost their lives! And in her cross examination she said that she did not know what an air embolism was, or what happens. She would have learnt about that when she was a student nurse. And here she is saying that she has attended an IV study day at Alderhay. She would have learnt about it there too!
@@agenttruecrime399 , she watched a tv show on embolisms and their effects in the days before baby A died and recommended it to a friend. So despite air embolism’s being a large part of the trading course she’d just been on and a tv show to remind her, she had no idea what they are. Poor Liverpool Women’s trainers, they clearly failed at being memorable!
20:09 "...again I was made to feel I had done it through not being competent...." I'm not a psychologist or analyst but that statement to me is absolute proof she's guilty-the words are in the past tense and predisposes that she did in fact attack those lil babies-why else would she say "made to feel I had done it..." Done what indeed!
@kevinmurray1324 disagree if she was innocent imagine the stuff going through her head, everyone on here who says she is definitely guilty is missing the point, I think there is a chance she is innocent you can't imagine what she went through,
Thank you! I’ve been waiting to hear the police interviews! I always thought her taking home so many documents was bizarre and the police honed in on that. She has no answer for why she would keep them. And she lied about the shredder among other things.
These were only discovered after her arrest and that was after the Investigation highlighted that she was primary suspect in the specific cases of unexplained deaths.
Vagueness. Generalities not specifics. Feigned ignorance about air embolism when every nurse knows about the risks and proof of her AE training was in evidence. Competencies. Competencies. Competencies. But no, nothing specific or any particular issue identified. Oh, ok you want detail, well, something to do with medication...
She lied about owning a shredder so there’s one lie right there just rolled off her tongue so believable. Makes me wonder what else does she lie about? Innocent people don’t need to lie about anything in the very serious circumstances of innocent babies dying. They would be helping police to find the truth! She even lied in court about being arrested in pyjamas when she was in a tracksuit! These lies may seem trivial but they are still lies and why the need to lie about such things?
@@sirarobinson4062 I understand but she might have lied for different reasons, it doesn’t 100% mean she did it. She might have been embarrassed about obsessing over the notes or she probably used the trackies to sleep in so called them pajamas.
Or she might have lied in order not to appear guilty because she was aware certain details implied guilt but wasn’t actually guilty…people do weird things under stress.
@michmonty95 You obviously haven't followed this case. She lied about the majority of details (proven) and 'couldn't remember' the rest. Innocent people don't need to lie in most of their answers. She's never getting out.
The Daily Telegraph reports of the current inquiry states that that at the Royal Liverpool Hospital an audit of displaced endotracheal tubes demonstrated a 40% increase when Letby was on duty The normal rate is less than 1% I wonder what the armchair sleuths will make of this?
Whatever they can twist it to mean. They're so blinded that they REFUSE to see any truth. She's not going anywhere! I hope not anyway. That's terrifying to think what would keep happening if she were to be in society again. 😬
Unfortunately I thought we'd hear about more "mishaps" and other strange goings-on when her previous placements were investigated. The "slueths" will try and make something out of nothing as always. I was hoping that now we've heard from lawyers working on behalf of some of the families involved during the ongoing enquiry saying that anyone supporting Letby should be ashamed that perhaps their noise would calm down a bit. Only time will tell but already many of their arguments sound more like conspiracy theories with no actual weight behind any of their claims.
Another suspicion she has a good memory apart from wen it comes to the death of the babies and if she researched anything about the babies that had died she cant remember those ...more lies there in my personal opinion
How could Letby know there were general concerns against her through the Grievance Procedure which was instituted by her and the Management as a way to exonerate her? This seems back to front. Either the Management tried to close down the concerns about Letby through the Grievance Procedure, by encouraging Letby to use it or Letby used the Grievance Procedure to complain about her suspension. The point is that the Grievance Procedure was used to attack the Clinicians concerns about Letby and then threaten them with Disciplinary Action. The outcome was that Letby was sent on a promotion training course.
How would she know that she was there for all of the affected babies? Her claim was collapses were occurring due to medical issues which would mean they theoretically occurred at any time- not just during her shifts. Theoretically there could have been cases she wasn't even aware of. At that point the evidence wasn't presented to her that she was present for all of them. So the only way she'd know that is if she was the one harming them. Also why would she assume police would get involved just because she may have done something unintentionally. She claims she was worried her potential incompetency had caused harm or death so she already knew what she had done. She had the highest qualifications in the unit so if she was incompetent enough to cause death, and she knew deaths were occurring, shouldn't she have said something? She also said she potentially could have given wrong medication and not used equipment correctly - the cause of the deaths! How does anyone hear these admissions and think she's innocent?
@@grantmitchel What an ignorant and inane comment A Jury sitting at a Trial of 10 months decided Letby's guilt. They actually weighed to evidence on each death and decided each independently and were hung on some of the charges.
@@grantmitchelno I'm questioning her account given in her own words. If you study statement analysis and body language you will understand that the comments she's making are embedded confessions. To admit she was there for all the affected babies she has to have guilty knowledge how else can it be interpreted? I don't think innocent people would realistically make a statement like that.
The content on your channel and particularly around the Letby murders is fantastic and one of the few reasons that i still use social media. Thank you for the in depth coverage.
She sounds like a narcissist me myself and I, with selective memory she hasn't shown any sympathy or remorse which makes her even more dangerous than I thought' there hasn't been any other incidents like this since her arrest, as far as I am concerned she's in the right place
I love all youre vids n description of the trials but these “LL IS INNOCENT” channels infuriate me, i followed all the information with a clear mind but i feel she is guilty, im sorry if others dont agree but the evidence speaks for itself x
@@user-ur9es1wl2u I'm sorry but I can hardly understand your sentence. I'm not sure if it's because of the lack of punctuation or a grammar issue. Perhaps you could rephrase it.b
Barristers always say if you dont know the answer just tell the truth, there are loads of nurses who say she is innocent, i dont know but would hate to see an innocent person lose her freedom if she isnt guilty,
Absolutely fantastic, thank you Jon. It gives more context to the verdict. I wish more people would understand the details before claiming that she’s innocent.
@@mb1015I feel it is beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, the more actual evidence from the trial and statements from Letby herself that I hear, the more confident I am in her guilt. At this point, there’s no doubt in my mind of her guilt. I don’t care for salaciousness. I care for facts and her behavior and explanations, which are not in line with her claims of innocence or integrity at all. She has lied even when she could have told the truth and gained integrity or spared others suffering. It’s deplorable that she insists on appealing after she has dragged the families through this.
I hope you don't grow to regret your closed-minded attitude, as I am sure you don't think the legal system is perfect in every way. Just look at one of the 250 cases and check out a white person named Brandon Moon. I said that because you may not bother if he wasn't, and you leapt to a judgment from a short video.
This will take multiple listens to process but straight away I’m alleviated of any worries I had about her capacity to be able to adequately explain herself if falsely accused. She can be very articulate when it’s just a fishing expedition. Not so much when the same information is used to trap the rat.
The whole handover sheet thing is WEIRD. I worked on an emergency ward for several years. All nurses made handover notes and would either empty their pocket at the end of shift, OR they'd keep them safe and bring In a few they had found at home and put them in the confidential waste on their next shift. I can't imagine any nurses keeping hundreds of them. If it was innocent surely you'd think wow I have a huge bag of these now and they are just clutter, I'll get rid. She kept them for a reason absolutely no question.
The nurses I’ve spoken to said it’s fairly common. One for example didn’t have a shredder in the dept so she took them home to shred. Doctors too said they’ve take. them home in their pockets by mistake.
I can believe this to be a common occurrence after perhaps a long stressful or challenging shift, what isn’t clear is why she then kept them in a folder. She clearly did have shredder as now widely documented and even if she didn’t,, well me personally would have either returned to the next shift and disposed of them then or quite simply tore them up by hand and put them in my home’s bin. Keeping the hand over sheets in a folder is pretty strange to say the least.
@@LorraineWalton-Poole According to the nurses I’ve spoken to - because you they’re supposed to be shredded but that takes time so they build up until they have time to do it. One nurse said she tends to burn them as it’s quicker. One said she had a metal box with them in.
The important point in the Police interview is that they explained that they were investigating not the generality of deaths in the Unit but specific Unexpected Deaths which were unexplained and suspicious. The 'I Love Lucy Letby' groupies keep arguing there were lots of other baby deaths on the Unit which were not blamed on her, ignoring that only those which were Unexpected, in fact inexplicable, which were deemed such as suspicious. Although this interview concentrates on the Post It Notes and Diaries this is so retrospectively after the Investigation which led to her arrest. These and the Handover Notes were only discovered then.
Man i must put time aside to listen to all of the video. Thank you putting it out there. Slightly anticipated to elaborate on this case because the families are no 1 in my eyes. What i have heard so far in some identification (horrific crime carried out) these ppl really do a good job in the background. Until on the recieving end would not be so quick to jump to a rash decision on. Truth be known you wouldnt care how the prosecutors did the job once they did it voice over thank you.
'I killed them on purpose' .... 'I didn't kill them on purpose' .... 'Not intentionally' ... OK, so what does 'on purpose' mean here? Why specify that?
She felt blamed that she did it on purpose, she makes it clear that this is how she processes emotions, as someone who processes emotions similarly and have NEVER harmed ANYONE I would be very upset to think my personal workings would be used against me.
People who are saying she’s innocent obviously have not seen all of these videos. I’m basing my opinion on everything I’ve heard on this channel from all the trial. Outstanding content. Thank you.
The people saying there’s no evidence against her are the scientists - the ones who actually understand the medical data. If there are no murders the rest of the circumstantial evidence is irrelevant.
@@sarahwales6276 There are so many people unfamiliar with medical science who simply do not understand the massive flaws in the evidence. CS2C is one of them.
Your diligence in reporting the truth of this case is beyond admiration. 👍👍❤️❤️❤️👏👏👏Many, many thanks, Jon🌺👏❤️….Not one comment about the babies…it’s ALWAYS about her. Disgusting. So she’s taken all these classes above and beyond her college nursing program, yet she doesn’t about air emboli…are you KIDDING me??
Jon i would be so interested to hear your personal opinion on LL! You have really thrown yourself into analysis of this case. You are professional and unbiased. Just because you eventually came to your own opinion doesnt mean u havent been professional throughout your channel output. We are human and eventually we realise things especially when we are in the vicinity and can hear and feel the energy of people. I know that is inadmissible in a legal trial but we all know that human instinct is real. I know u are under scrutiny but what you are doing is needed. Thank you for this channel
"I didnt kill them intentionally" "So your competency is the problem?" "No" Then goes on to try and explain possible incompetencies. Then again later says she is sure of her competency. The math isn't adding up.
@@snapmalloy5556 , the way she specifically mentioned giving incorrect medication and using equipment incorrectly is chilling in hindsight. She’s eventually accused of poisoning with insulin and using equipment to cause severe liver damage and excess bleeding amongst other crimes. I do wonder if she breathed a sigh of relief that the insulin issue wasn’t even known for the first couple of years she was under suspicion.
@@user-ur9es1wl2u according to the pathologist, baby O died of an inflicted liver injury that could not have occurred due to CPR. How do you believe that injury occurred if not using some form of tool? Baby E was badly haemorrhaging, once again where did that blood come from unless maliciously inflicted using a medical instrument routinely available on the unit. Letby knew that if the parents saw something odd, it’d have to be explained, hence the ‘I may have used equipment incorrectly’ excuse.
I have a question regarding the scrubs… why haven’t they explored the fact that we do not take scrubs home? They’re laundered by the hospital and you change in work. I have both uniform and scrubs and don’t wear them to and from work.
I don't know about that - I've lived near a hospital and have seen members of staff in those same colour scrubs going to and from home in scrubs almost every day.
My mum is a nurse. I don't live with her anymore but she definitely used to wear her uniform to work. I'm pretty sure she also wore it home (under her coat).
It is interesting that during these interviews when they ask her about why she kept handover reports from work she never once says it is because she “collects paper” something she repeatedly claimed during the trial. She also said in the police interviews she couldn’t get rid of the reports because she didn’t own a shredder yet she did own one and kept additional reports in the empty shredder box.
We can say many things about her guilt, but I don't think it's fair to judge her based on her '' emotional detachment ''. Not everyone wears their heart on their sleeves, and this isn't the kind of job you would want to be emotional in, as they do lose many babies in such wards all around the world. Despite how they personally feel, they are taught to remain professional. Taking the notes home was out of order. This is the biggest red flag for me. But searching for the parents on social media, I don't think is a sign of guilt. This might have been her way of coping, to see if they were getting on with their lives despite their huge loss. Writing her notes, saying '' I did this ''.. well, as an example, people get accused of bad parenting and begin to question themselves and might come out with statements like '' I'm a terrible parent, I don't deserve my children ''. It doesn't make them guilty or bad. We can say many things, but for the sake of truth and honesty, whatever that may be, we need to stick to facts. It's possible that both she and the hospital are guilty, and unless we uncover the entire truth, more babies could be at risk.
The emotional detachment is likely due to the anti-depressants she was prescribed after being put on leave which she admits to in this interview. They cause emotional numbing and a flat affect, so it may appear that she doesn't care, or comes across as "cold". I don't think people are focusing on this point enough.
Anybody, nurse, Paramedic, doctor, anyone who has performed IV/IO and any admistration done this way is well aware of the risk of air embolism. It's inconceivable a highly trained NICU nurse has no knowledge of it.
My husband who has no medical training, doesn't really watch anything to do with medical things, even he knows what 1 is 😂😂 so her saying she didn't know is absolute bs
I found out about "air embolisms" (although not those exact words) when I was a kid and someone was trying to frighten me about an upcoming immunisation programme at school. I actually asked the nurse, who did the injections, to make sure there weren't any air bubbles in the syringe!
She wasn't asked if she knew about air embolism (or insulin) and denied even knowing what that was - what she was asked is did she get any specific training (which could be interpreted as a separate training). They don't run entire courses about particular risks, but as she indicated the training she did get did cover the risks with lines and she needed to manage that. Same with the insulin, she talked about how they were trained to manage hypo and hyperglycaemia etc but as nurses wouldn't be a prescriber they wouldn't get specific training in specific classes of medication and training would be based around knowing actions of medications, safe administration of medications. Seems like a lot of people didn't listen to the question and took this as complete denial of knowledge of air embolism. It's a very rare risk, I've seen recently one case where it happened with a baby and it was in surgery where the anaesthetist was supposed to put some air into the stomach and put the air into the wrong line. The infant tragically died instantly and could be resuscitated. There has never been a case of air embolism via stomach, and it turns out they based that particular charge on an Xray done when not on shift.
“Everything was spiraling out of control and I felt fear and panic” she practically admits it. Why would she ever believe the police would be involved if she was innocent.
Regardless of her guilt or innocence the NHS used this as an opportunity to sweep shit under the carpet
FACTS !!! Especially this little understaffed hospital.
Oh yeah, swept under a multimillion £ trial, hundreds of witnesses, 15 life sentences and a 4 month multi agency inquiry carpet.
What specific things did they sweep under the carpet?
@@lenafan492this hospital was a shambles, there was an excess death rate in general, not including the ones they are associating with Letby
Google the ratings for the maternity unit .
Competencies..... I've never heard a single word so many times in such a short space of time
@@karencringle9228 that's what clinical skills are formally called and assessed as in the nursing profession.
Each nursing skill or competency is supposed to be formally assessed by another registered and experienced nurse, and signed off and witnessed. If she wasnt signed off on a competency then her work must be supervised by an experienced nurse.
@@JulieMiller-of2dlbut her obsessive use of the word shows a skewed way of perceiving the world…very odd indeed
@@rachelkingsley668 it is a common part of nursing terminology
Been looking forward to this particular video since I heard you were working on it. Thanks again Jon for all your hard work and effort you put in, it really comes through in your work. Thanks ❤
Thanks for posting this very much appreciated
Thanks Jon!! You're a godsend 😊
The female voice really does add another dimension to it, well done to both of you.
Yes, this is superbly presented.
I prefer Jon's voice, because I've heard it for that long that I started to actually think Lucy sounded like that when she spoke lol
Haha yes..She sounds cold with a mans voice
I just said the same to my hubby. After watching so many videos this voice isn't Lucy to me 😂😂
Lucy should have insisted on using Jon's voice during her police interviews, she would not have slipped up so often
Same lol
I prefer TOOL.
I really think LL being a pretty young white woman is helping her get all of these supporters.
Why do you think that? What evidence do you have that this is the case?
@KentReynolds Pretty young white women get attention and support at a higher rate than anyone else. If she were a man, a person of color, or ugly she wouldn't have such a huge fanclub. This is a phenomenon observed across the world. Racism and sexism have a bigger effect than what people would like to believe. These are just my feelings.
Innocence doesn't have a colour
Do we see things as we are?
@@connorwood8527She’s been found guilty by a jury of her peers. She lied on documents/medical records then went on to write that she is guilty.
This is so interesting,thank you for all the hard work ❤
Lucy gives her guilt away here that it was obviously a criminal investigation that she was in a police interview, but she was talking as if she wasn't aware by going on about her "competencies".
It's strange how the unnatural death rates at nights changed to days when she was moved onto day shift.
It's even stranger that more babies died when she wasn't on a duty than when she was. Are we meant to believe there was a serial killer AND an underperforming ward? Not impossible, but improbable...
And then stopped when she was put on a desk job. And now are back to a normal rate while she’s in jail. Funny that…
@@cs9115 So how do you explain that there were more deaths when she wasn't on duty than when she was?
It's because the types of babies being taken into the unit changed at that time, as a result of the increased deaths...so it's warped data really...they started only taking babies over a certain age and taking on less poorly babies as their status changed due to the concerns...so not because LL was no longer on shift, but because they started taking only the less sick/vulnerable babies...
The unit was down graded, in other words really sick prem babies were not admitted to the ward , babies not as vulnerable , so yes the death rate dropped as it would
Thanks Jon, great work
Thank you Jon, truth and honesty 👍👍
Really love your passion for being so thorough with all of this. You're really going the extra distance.
Thanks very much Jon for all your dedication to this.
Thanks for listening
Propaganda against Lucy.
@@charlottelee3727 What is propaganda? Propaganda is the dissemination of information - facts, arguments, rumours, half-truths or lies to influence public opinion. This is factual, as written down directly from her interviews with the police in her own words.
The Police interview transcripts are propaganda? You have serious problems.@charlottelee3727
@@charlottelee3727 Delusional totally
I love how you are covering this case. I approached this with an open mind I’d hate for an innocent person to be branded a baby killer without good evidence. Lucy comes across as very plausible I can see why she has an innocence following. Quiet and unassuming. She has been described as a diligent Nurse which completely contrasts taking home patient confidential information, which she is aware of dealing with confidential waste correctly. I have seen an evidence photo of a shredder she owned which she lied to police saying she didn’t have one! If she was a diligent Nurse she could have returned the paperwork to work and put it in confidential waste at anytime. She could have shredded it or burned it all in her garden. In my opinion she chose to keep that paperwork for a reason which makes her look suspicious. If I was on the jury I would want to see the numbers of deaths and collapses before, during and after Lucy was redeployed cos unless there is more than one baby killer at that hospital the figures will show it. What struck me also was when she was moved from nights to days and the death pattern changed shifts too! Coincidence?
Many thanks Jon, your voice partner's done a great job too.
My daughter is a nurse and she’s baffled how Lucy keeps saying how “we didn’t really receive any training in…” administration of insulin, handling hypoglycaemic events, ETT care, etc. She makes no sense.
Is she the equivalent of an LPN or a QMA in the US? How is she able to care for neonates if she’s not trained in such things?
of course she was trained. she is lying.
As a nurse working in elderly care I have received training in all these areas and am required to have my competencies checked annually. She lies so often she contradicts herself.
@@carontownsend9890 Baffling she would lie about something so obvious.
You don't get trained about insulin as
such as a neonatal nurse.
She also claims poor equipment, lack of doctor support, too much work. Yet she does not cite a single instance where care was compromised due to lack of physician contact. The only equipment issue I ever heard about was a port on IV tubing on one patient. Yet I heard no testimony about changing that tubing immediately because it was potentially defective and alerting my manager about what I had found. Now, being stretched for time? Absolutely, that is endemic to nursing. So, mostly vague assertions.
I've been waiting for this one. Well done Jon and please pass that on to the star of todays video 🥰
Thank you for producing and posting this, Jon! Would it be alright if I did an analysis of this video and credited your channel? Cheers! 🙏
Yes, thank you for checking with me. I look forward to seeing it❤️
Fancy seeing the Deception detective here! I love it when brilliant creators have respect for each other.
@@kellie5476 Same here, both creators are brilliant, look forward to more of the police interviews from Jon and Deceptive Detective's coverage on the LL case, thank you both for all your hard work
@@CrimeScene2Courtroom do you believe there is any chance she is innocent
@@posvibz553 do you?
Jon, The lady is great narrator, but...I think that You played Luzy better than she does! 😅
It sounds rather strange, but I LOVED your monotone sound 😅
Also, you witnessed Lucy. You know EXACTLY how she said things! That is very hard to repeat by other person who has not HEARD her in real life!
Also, you conveyed her manners and personality perfectly!
The lady sounds too excited and full of life. Too beautiful of a person. Lucy is full of EMPTINESS and nothingness.
The lady sounds like she has 150 friends, 8 grandchildren, goes to balls and dances her night away. She has written 10 children's books and read them all aloud on the radio. Her back garden hosts annual teaparties and she is famous about her baking and cooking. She also has travelled widely and loves to explore new avenues. She has couple of degrees and has passion for many things! LOL 😅 She sounds like an absolutely amazing person with her very beautiful and rich voice! ❤❤❤😊😊😊
I will check out her narration jobs as I think that what ever she narrates sounds rich and velvety and full of life! ❤❤❤
Great addition to the channel Jon, the female voice brings another dimension to Letby case and makes it more realistic to listen to.
True but tbh I think Jon did a great job narrating Letby in the past. And a great job narrating the prosecutor KC.
Yep. Couldn't agree more. Good voice actress to.
Excellent - thank you!
Brilliant thank you both ❤
Oh, this is so easy to listen to. Thanks! 🙏 ❤
Im only 1/4 in but she was more afraid of being perceived as being incompetent rather than the upset that maybe she was crap and that was killing babies. I'd be devastated and ask for all the retraining and checking I could get.
Its like she's more afraid of failing her exams and what people will think.
yes, that's what I was thinking. It's not like putting goods on the wrong shelf and being scared of getting fired. People died. I would have really questioned my competencies and vocation at this point and would have been the first to ask to be moved somewhere else with less responsabilities...
Yes, great point.
This! Her utter arrogance didn't allow her to even go down that path at trial.
@@user-ur9es1wl2ushe also attacked babies she was not assigned to when she had the opportunity.
@@user-ur9es1wl2u no idea which of them I’m just passively listening to all the info. Don’t have my corkboard out trying to pin together a conspiracy theory.
Notice that she’s fairly detailed about her other training, then somehow isn’t aware of air embolisms or insulin - makes her look guilty. Also, I noticed that she still talks about the neonatal unit workplace as “we”, whereas she talks about her then-current workplace in the risk and patient safety office as “they”. It was the same on the stand this year: she hasn’t been a nurse for 8 years now yet she still kept talking about being a nurse in the present tense, and as “we do this, we do that”. She’s permanently stuck in 2016.
@Victoria-iu5sb Labelling a discrepancy between her being detailed about aspects of her training but not knowing as much regarding the technicalities of embolisms and such as 'looking guilty' is a stretch and sheer conjecture. And her talking about herself being a nurse in the present tense is not only nowhere being evidence of any wrongdoing but may simply show her mind is still on the job as it were, in a state of shock potentially? A devils advocate position is needed here.
@@Victoria-iu5sb intresting point you made about air embolism and insulin, it should be basic knowledge to a nurse.
@@Victoria-iu5sb so would you be if you were accused of killing babies in 2016
@@ryanx3584It's fundamental training that she claimed to have little knowledge of.
@@Wizthings, not necessarily. Air embolism through an NG tube is poorly documented. Plenty of publications debunk the theory of NG tube air embolism. To know that, you need to be in the speciality (neonatologist).
The female voice over brings life to LL. Compelling journalism ❤
@@lindapringle1285 does it? Lol.. I guess I had got used to jons impression.
It threw me off hearing a new voice reading Lucy’s words. I must say I prefer when you read it more because you don’t add any emotion, so the words speak for themselves.
I may have missed it but I didnt hear her say anywhere in the interviews that she was advised to write down her thoughts and fellings by her GP, therapist or anybody like that as we were led to believe from that bogus article the other day. Some peoples shame has no bounds!
A therapist / GP would not have told her to write down that she was evil and was guilty of what she was being accused of. These are her own disturbing thoughts. If a therapist told her to write down her thoughts then we at least have a motive for her confession
She lies…
@@jillmansfield3843She's never claimed they did, other people suggested it.
Exactly!!
@@steveblundell7766
No, you cannot infer that from her writing down her thoughts.
Amazing!!! Thanks Jon and lovely lady assisting ❤❤❤
Lady did a brilliant job didn't she!👌💖
@@Moonstone115 she did! 🥰
Not to come across as defending anything, but this is a dramarisation. The males voice and accent and attenuation and the females voice are not an exact replication so one should not infer anything in relation to proof of innocent or guilt from the delivery of the words.
The facts are that she is either guilty as charged or a victim of circumstancial evidence that did not prove without a reason of doubt murder.
I really hope that it is the case that she is guilty as charged but it would be terrible if she isvt.
I love them both ❤
I didnt kill them on purpose is NOT what youd say, youd say i didnt kill them at all!!! Just makes more sense why she is and was found guilty
Well she was very aware it was possible she may have killed through error or bad practice. So to me what she is saying would be how someone would talk.
@dannymurphy1779 no she didn't say she didn't kill them she replied I didn't kill them on purpose, I would say I didnt kill them at all if I was innocent like she now professes. I would also have questioned why they thought it was me.
Yes that part is at 14.00 I thought that was a strange thing to say, like she slipped up there. I'm beginning to wonder whether she has a dissociative disorder
@jill677 it's bizarre, I don't know anyone would who would say I didnt kill them on purpose, I don't think she has anything wrong either, just pure evil. I think as soon as her parents have died she will admit it all.
Agreed, a person who believed themselves innocent would never admit to such a thing unless there was irrefutable proof in front of them that they just couldn't deny
Ok notes.. could be about anything really. But keeping med reports, not reacting to alarms when children were struggling, always being around at times of death, Facebook stalking bereaved families. It's a huge reach to say this was a set up
So, that friend who came forward after LL was locked up for life and claimed she was being bullied by the nurses and doctors ... not according to LL who felt like they were a close-knit 'family' and had absolutely no issues with the doctors ...
Why would you say anything else in a formal interview with police though? You'd hardly want to start dishing out on your colleagues when you're under interrogation/police interview.
Also it's possible to have a good sense of a team, of teamwork, yet there could still be bullying going on within the team. The two things aren't necessarily contradictory.
@@John-p7i5g It's possible that was her rationale, yes. But let's put this into context. Colleagues are saying you accidentally or purposely harmed babies. You know you didn't and are being unfairly accused. These colleagues have been bullying you for 1-4 years and your precious career and freedom are seriously at risk. Would you be thinking 'I want to present a good picture of team unity' or 'I need to expose this bullying so that they can see there's an established pattern of these people targeting me and this is just them taking it a step too far and accusing me of murder' ? Painting picture of no one having a vendetta against her wasnt wise if she was really being bullied. PLUS she also confirmed in court under oath 5 years later that there was no bullying and she had good relations with all. When you've been in prison for 3 years and you're facing a LIFETIME in prison, why would you not say in court that you were covering up for people during the police interview but you were being bullied and then supply some evidence of this? LL was the queen of throwing people under the bus, even her bestie Nurse E when it came down to it so why protect the bullies who couldn't get at her? It just DOESN'T add up.
@@ellea2541 I agree it doesn't add up. I think LL had a sense of identity with the team. She speaks about it in the interview. And how she suffered when taken off the team. But clearly there were some accusers amongst the team but more so in the consultants. Those two things can both be true, and she may have emphasized one or other in different contexts under questioning or cross examination. That's why it's a shame that all the transcripts and videos aren't public (with any necessary privacy redactions) and available for scrutiny. Especially now the trial is over. It's just adding to the speculation.
@@John-p7i5g I agree. This case has brought about so much divided opinions that it would be good if The Powers That Be just gave free access to the redacted transcripts
Are we supposed to believe a woman who was doing masters training in nursing didn’t know about insulin? I seriously can’t believe people think this woman is innocent.
Can't you also believe that twenty-four expert (some eminant) statisticians and neonatologists who have written to the Justice Minister, voicing their concerns about the prosecution evidence. Or that two Members of Parliament are also looking into it, etc. Do you think those people would bother if they thought she was guilty?
@@user-ur9es1wl2u she was supposed to know everything about it. She’s a qualified nurse and should be able to explain the mechanism of action, how to administer it safely and how to document it.
@@philipholding the statistics don’t have any real bearing on the case. LL is a liar who, at best, is criminally incompetent and at worst, was deliberately trying to murder newborn babies.
Well for a start you don't give it unless prescribed by a Dr
She is innocent they threw her under the bus she will be freed there is nothing at all to hold her on. They were helbent on getting a conviction.
I’ve been anticipating this! Thank you! Excellent work!
Strange hearing a female voice after so many videos
Good though 😊❤
@@steveblundell7766 not really. That might just e a you problem.
Wow, Jon. Thanks for this. What stood out to me was that during the questioning around the rationale behind the notes and her communication with her 'support network', she didn't once allude to the emotional impact of the babies dying or collapsing in her care which would seem the obvious response. Her focus seemed purely on her career and reputation.
@@IncompetentKlutz She was under investigation though. She may have bottled it up in this context, and wanted to stick mainly to the facts as she saw them. Also we don't have the video so it's hard to tell.
The image of a cold hearted killer is difficult to imagine given her friend's testimonies and video of her socialising.
Usually that dead pan response that criminals give shows no life behind the facade. Completely empty and blank. Whereas LL clearly had an inner emotional life, given the journals
People who work in hospitals tend to be very matter of fact about life and death as they see so much of it. Emotionaly desensitised/removed, much like police are
Have you ever been arrested ?... held in custody on very serious charges ?...under the direction of legal counsel ?... and very scared ?. I have, she answers exactly as I would expect. Do you know what guilty people say to all questions ?...NO COMMENT...she didn't.
@@dazuk1969 Absolutely agree with you ! It's ironic that some criticize the accused for not addressing the emotional impact of the babies dying or collapsing, yet they fail to consider the intense pressure and setting of the questioning. The police had likely already formed their conclusions, rather than staying impartial, and Letby no doubt sensed this atmosphere.
You can't really say how a person would respond. If I was in that situation, I think I would be worried for myself too! Doesn't mean you don't care about the babies but self preservation would absolutely be there
This is great study for those supporting LL. I was in a chat with supporters of LL and they will not listen to any real facts.
You can't change their mind how could someone so angelic kill babies?
Yes and they're willing to make stuff up or even talk about evidence that doesn't exist as if the police and/or court have edited or manufactured the transcripts to support the verdict. Very sad.
They're so far down the rabbit hole that even if she confesses they will refuse to believe it.
@@cnut5295 absolutely
Me too was on Black Belt Barrister he has doubts and all the morons on there too think she is innocent , i commented she is guilty due to not having children herself possibly , and some idiot said i would be sued for libel when she is released !!
Feelings when you think you have killed people accidentally due to incompetence are not the same as when you know you have killed them intentionally. If you think your clinical skills may have been sub-par, you would feel GUILTY, yes.... but EVIL?? Even young children would associate the word 'evil' with intentionally bad people... the villain in a cartoon or movie etc... If people thought she was incompetent, how did she jump to 'evil' rather than 'useless', 'rubbish', 'crap' etc? Absolutely BS, LL ... competencies, my ass!
Exactly. Letby supporters have the same personalities as her which is why they identify with her. They’re self absorbed people who feel sorry for themselves.
@@ellea2541 I'm not so sure. You can do something unintentionally and feel excessive guilt and irrationally call yourself evil, in light of the catastrophic consequences.
Also, this was a free flow of thoughts in a journal, not an edited essay, where you might choose your words more carefully.
And again, if you are going to weight interpretation so heavily on her literal words, then you would have to also weight her words 'I am innocent' equally.
@@John-p7i5g I have wondered at times whether she entered dissociative states for a few minutes whilst doing things like dislodging tubes, injecting air or overfeeding and genuinely couldn't remember them when she came to. A Jekyll and Hyde kind of presentation. I say that because her notes aren't written in one voice of one accord and she generally claims to have written them in one sitting, which doesn't fit with how it is presented on the page in layers. I feel like she was still in whatever giddy or one-track mind frame in a number of the cases where staff or parents said she was acting oddly. Cases C, E, G, I, K, M, O, P come to mind... times when she was oddly calm or was just standing there watching the desaturating happening, forgot to appear shocked or seemed excited or was physically restless. I imagine the 'I did this' almost as a stark realisation or surprise that she did something she didn't feel she was capable of and she was temporarily horrified by it ... until the compulsion overtook her and led to hamer harming the next. Some of her texts read as though something was bubbling over that she couldn't contain. Her wording 'Blew up abdomen' is odd, for example, because it could mean that the baby's abdomen blew up but could equally mean she did the blowing up of the abdomen. It's like an urge to confess an act without confessing.
@@ellea2541 it's possible. Your dissociative state hypothesis is about the most credible I've read explaining how or why she did this, given the lack of prior indications or apparent motive.
Great points in relation to suspected competencies. I know exactly what you mean, because individual doubts about yourself
After reading that 40% of endo tracheal tube dislodgements were done whilst LL was on duty at Liverpool Womens Hospital when the normal occurrence is under 1%, she isn't only guilty but deranged.
Or just remarkably cack-handed?? She might be a bright person and obviously did well at uni, but it doesn't necessarily follow, in my opinion, that it means she has perfect dexterity. Were these deaths the result of her manual incompetence that she was trying to cover up?
@@stephenlunn3049Oh please, why are you people so desperate to let this murderer off? What a waste of energy.
@stephenlunn3049 How does that make it any better?
@stephenlunn3049 She was a qualified nurse. She could not be back handed 40% of the time. Dislodgement of an ET tube happens very rarely. She seems bright but dug herself a bigger hole by not just admitting her guilt. It is extremely difficult to dislodge ET tubes. Nurses normally do not insert them, they maintain them. Look at the evidence with the triplets, she dislodged the tubes. She is deranged.
Did you follow any of the courtcase or evidence? @@stephenlunn3049
Thanks Jon,I've really wanted to hear these since it all began... Great job and narrations as always ❤
Your contribution to understanding of this case has been epic, Jon. Thank you for your hard work and skill.
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doing a great job is making sure a probable innocent person spends the rest of her life in prison
It is my considered opinion that those insisting on her innocence, particularly the few who, it seems, have closely followed available information, are choosing to be delusional.
The rest can't be taken remotely seriously, until they make themselves aware of the available case information.
@@garetholeary110 delusional ..guilty on 6 murders that the pathologist gave as natural causes but you dont think there is doubt...............
@@garetholeary110 i assume you think the pathologists should be struck off at the very least............
What we’ve all been waiting for thanks Jon ( it’s Jon right?) cheers Jon 👍🥰
Thank you Jon! Already getting caught in lies. That note doesn’t match “we think your professional competencies don’t meet our standards”. What a liar.
My impression is that she's extremely clever at being vague when necessary. And the level of panic which she puts down to being thought of as incompetent really doesn't match other aspects of her character ( the grievance, the haughty email informing them of her return, the text messages). The refusal to acknowledge her blatant breaking of the Code of Conduct. The reason for the panic...?
Rumbled. Caught.
Photocopy of your nursing diploma pls? rgn or rsn?
@@stefangriffin2688 In a comments thread? Quals RMN BSC Dp N & various postgrad courses eg IV admin, clinical teaching.
@@GamB2007 Fair. Hope you don't end up in prison for the rest of your life for doing your job and just being unlucky x
not that clever as she was convicted
What is crystal clear from the comments here is the danger of jury trials. There is nothing whatsoever in this video to show guilt, yet look how many responders imagine that they can interpret everything from her emotions to what she did not say as proving the case against her. Just place yourself in the position of being wrongly accused and in an interview with a policeman who thinks he already has all of the answers and is clearly trying to lead her into saying something that he can interpret as evidence of guilt. Damned if she answered and however she answered, and damned if she didn't. That is the position she was in. Then, picture a jury of 12 from the like of the "experts" on here tasked with judging reports arising from this interview.
I totally agree.
I agree. Guilty or not guilty it was not a fair trial. She was convicted on conjecture and circumstantial evidence.
You’ve asked the question what would you do ?
Like being honest and not telling lies is a insurmountable complex task that is too much to ask of someone being questioned about serious crimes.
Hilarious.
@@s3any1977The circumstantial evidence was overwhelming and just because you state it was an unfair trial, definitely doesn’t make it true.
"So you are moved onto days and child O and child P die and child Q collapsed...so what are your thoughts on that? After you've been moved onto days? What are your thoughts on that?"
What an innocent person would have said....
"I couldn't believe it..I was freaking out, paranoid that someone was setting me up. Something really evil was happening in this ward and whoever was doing it needed to be stopped. I begged my superiors to open an investigation and took my annual leave to look for a new job. I wrote my resignation letter and saved it on my computer. I wanted to leave and go to another job where this nightmare of understaffing, bottom heavy staff mix, lack of equipment, low morale and constant death and grief wouldn't exist"..
Letby's actual answer..
"I'm not sure."
Not everyone behaves in a situation of high pressure and high stakes in a logical way or the way you would.
@@KentReynolds Still, some behaviours are so egregious, they fall outside the definition of a otherwise pithy statement that excuses everything therefore explaining nothing when it comes to specifics.
Like including a third still alive triplet in a practice run of consolation words structured like a epitaph for the deaths of all 3.
@Springreverb8 Agree completely. But I've finally realised that no amount of sense, logic or fact is gonna make the slightest dent in their alternative narratives so I'll take a break to save what's left of my sanity 🤯😏
@@judewhitbread2394 I was thinking the same thing myself. One day you wake up and realise you’ve become part of the problem.
We are all too aware that all we are to each other are just random nobodies on the internet.
It’s not a good environment for changing minds, which is hard enough without the added problem of people saying things just to spite you.
You can only hope to sow the seeds for a later time when nobody needs to know.
The parents need the support, not the killer of their children.
@Springreverb8 Yeah you're right, we just end up fuelling them.
I'm with you in wholly supporting the families and ignoring the CTs.
I've been looking forward to hearing the police interviews which were really very interesting.
As ever this is a fabulous podcast, Jon - you’re a master, you truly are. One thing if you don’t mind me saying, whilst your female co-presenter is very good speaking as Letby, I do feel she speaks too fast, bubbly and louder than Letby did. In the interview we’ve all heard where Letby speaks, she has a very quiet, hesitant, whispery voice, almost devious and disconcerting - which demonstrates her nature far better than a friendly, bubbly, quickly spoken voice.
It's incredible how many expert psychologists have commented having deduced that by analysing the tiniest details this is pretty conclusive proof that these are the answers of psychopath rather than someone stressed and anxious. Very Impressive considering the answers are all not only consistent but a totally reasonable explanation of the reason for writing the notes and their meaning.
Exactly what a psychopath would say
Thank you for all your time and effort in this xxx
After hearing this, all of my “this doesn’t make any sense” thoughts are now justified by LL making absolutely no sense at all. The lack of sense in the notes now makes sense. (Does that make sense?)
Jon, thank you. You've done so much hard work to bring the facts to us all. No disrespect to the lady but prefer your voicing of the evil narcissist 😊
I disagree, I think the lady’s voice is a good idea.
She "lost everything" because she was taken off the unit and wasn't allowed contact with anyone? Those innocent babies lost their lives!
And in her cross examination she said that she did not know what an air embolism was, or what happens. She would have learnt about that when she was a student nurse. And here she is saying that she has attended an IV study day at Alderhay. She would have learnt about it there too!
@@agenttruecrime399 , she watched a tv show on embolisms and their effects in the days before baby A died and recommended it to a friend. So despite air embolism’s being a large part of the trading course she’d just been on and a tv show to remind her, she had no idea what they are. Poor Liverpool Women’s trainers, they clearly failed at being memorable!
She lost her ‘fix’ of killing getting away with it and revelling in the aftermath.
It's hostile interview anything said used agents her, there was on come t and such like normal get,
@@agenttruecrime399 yes, she would have learned. The majority of the public know air in a line is dangerous. I don’t believe her at all.
20:09 "...again I was made to feel I had done it through not being competent...." I'm not a psychologist or analyst but that statement to me is absolute proof she's guilty-the words are in the past tense and predisposes that she did in fact attack those lil babies-why else would she say "made to feel I had done it..." Done what indeed!
Good spot ! This is the problem with lying, under non-stop questioning you will at some point accidentally reveal a truth
It can sometimes be a regional/dialect thing to say too. But in terms of dictionary quality English I would agree on that 1 point.
@kevinmurray1324 disagree if she was innocent imagine the stuff going through her head, everyone on here who says she is definitely guilty is missing the point, I think there is a chance she is innocent you can't imagine what she went through,
I'd hit the thumbs up button a million times if I could. Thank you for your commitment to the truth, Jon.
Thank you! I’ve been waiting to hear the police interviews! I always thought her taking home so many documents was bizarre and the police honed in on that. She has no answer for why she would keep them. And she lied about the shredder among other things.
You are not hearing the police interviews?
These were only discovered after her arrest and that was after the Investigation highlighted that she was primary suspect in the specific cases of unexplained deaths.
@@stefangriffin2688 No. I’m in California. The case isn’t covered here.
I was brought up in a medical household. Mother was Nurse.......Dr was dad.....there is nothing "unusual" about "taking notes home"........
You didnt hear the "police interviews".......this is a translation.
Thank you, your channel is extremely informative and offers the public a real insight in to something that is inconceivable to us humane humans!
I can't see anything untoward about all of that, she's just being honest with the interviewer and giving a truthful account of everything being asked.
Vagueness. Generalities not specifics.
Feigned ignorance about air embolism when every nurse knows about the risks and proof of her AE training was in evidence.
Competencies.
Competencies.
Competencies. But no, nothing specific or any particular issue identified. Oh, ok you want detail, well, something to do with medication...
She lied about owning a shredder so there’s one lie right there just rolled off her tongue so believable. Makes me wonder what else does she lie about? Innocent people don’t need to lie about anything in the very serious circumstances of innocent babies dying. They would be helping police to find the truth! She even lied in court about being arrested in pyjamas when she was in a tracksuit! These lies may seem trivial but they are still lies and why the need to lie about such things?
@@sirarobinson4062 I understand but she might have lied for different reasons, it doesn’t 100% mean she did it. She might have been embarrassed about obsessing over the notes or she probably used the trackies to sleep in so called them pajamas.
Or she might have lied in order not to appear guilty because she was aware certain details implied guilt but wasn’t actually guilty…people do weird things under stress.
@michmonty95 You obviously haven't followed this case. She lied about the majority of details (proven) and 'couldn't remember' the rest. Innocent people don't need to lie in most of their answers.
She's never getting out.
Her contradictions here and when compared to her testimony in court are legion!
Meaning
The Daily Telegraph reports of the current inquiry states that that at the Royal Liverpool Hospital an audit of displaced endotracheal tubes demonstrated a 40% increase when Letby was on duty The normal rate is less than 1%
I wonder what the armchair sleuths will make of this?
Whatever they can twist it to mean. They're so blinded that they REFUSE to see any truth. She's not going anywhere! I hope not anyway. That's terrifying to think what would keep happening if she were to be in society again. 😬
What's the name of the Telegraph article?
Still won't believe such an angelic person could murder babies.
Unfortunately I thought we'd hear about more "mishaps" and other strange goings-on when her previous placements were investigated. The "slueths" will try and make something out of nothing as always. I was hoping that now we've heard from lawyers working on behalf of some of the families involved during the ongoing enquiry saying that anyone supporting Letby should be ashamed that perhaps their noise would calm down a bit. Only time will tell but already many of their arguments sound more like conspiracy theories with no actual weight behind any of their claims.
@@limmoblack front page (on my digital copy anyway. Its under todays inquiry report. apparently there are ongoing investigations at RLH
Thanks again ,,,,can’t believe anyone thinks this psychopath is innocent ,,,guilty as hell….
Clearly innocent.
What indicators of Psychopathy can you point out?
@@stefangriffin2688 I wouldn't go as far as saying she is innocent, but the prosecutions case is very flimsy and she was very poorly defended.
@@stefangriffin2688her hypergrahia
Another suspicion she has a good memory apart from wen it comes to the death of the babies and if she researched anything about the babies that had died she cant remember those ...more lies there in my personal opinion
Thanks for this.
Many thanks . ❤
I've said from the start, something doesn't make sense in this case. I genuinely don't think we've heard the end of it.
How could Letby know there were general concerns against her through the Grievance Procedure which was instituted by her and the Management as a way to exonerate her? This seems back to front. Either the Management tried to close down the concerns about Letby through the Grievance Procedure, by encouraging Letby to use it or Letby used the Grievance Procedure to complain about her suspension. The point is that the Grievance Procedure was used to attack the Clinicians concerns about Letby and then threaten them with Disciplinary Action. The outcome was that Letby was sent on a promotion training course.
How would she know that she was there for all of the affected babies? Her claim was collapses were occurring due to medical issues which would mean they theoretically occurred at any time- not just during her shifts. Theoretically there could have been cases she wasn't even aware of. At that point the evidence wasn't presented to her that she was present for all of them. So the only way she'd know that is if she was the one harming them.
Also why would she assume police would get involved just because she may have done something unintentionally. She claims she was worried her potential incompetency had caused harm or death so she already knew what she had done. She had the highest qualifications in the unit so if she was incompetent enough to cause death, and she knew deaths were occurring, shouldn't she have said something?
She also said she potentially could have given wrong medication and not used equipment correctly - the cause of the deaths! How does anyone hear these admissions and think she's innocent?
That’s so true. Never thought of it that way ❤x
Very well said!
Well spotted.
@@grantmitchel What an ignorant and inane comment A Jury sitting at a Trial of 10 months decided Letby's guilt. They actually weighed to evidence on each death and decided each independently and were hung on some of the charges.
@@grantmitchelno I'm questioning her account given in her own words. If you study statement analysis and body language you will understand that the comments she's making are embedded confessions. To admit she was there for all the affected babies she has to have guilty knowledge how else can it be interpreted? I don't think innocent people would realistically make a statement like that.
The content on your channel and particularly around the Letby murders is fantastic and one of the few reasons that i still use social media. Thank you for the in depth coverage.
Thank God for you, Jon. Something actually sensible and the truth!
She sounds like a narcissist
me myself and I,
with selective memory
she hasn't shown any sympathy or remorse which makes her even more dangerous than I thought' there hasn't been any other incidents like this since her arrest, as far as I am concerned she's in the right place
I love all youre vids n description of the trials but these “LL IS INNOCENT” channels infuriate me, i followed all the information with a clear mind but i feel she is guilty, im sorry if others dont agree but the evidence speaks for itself x
She was there for all the babies? Massive slip up, as she has since denied she was in the room or had been there for a few of the incidents....
@@user-ur9es1wl2u I'm sorry but I can hardly understand your sentence. I'm not sure if it's because of the lack of punctuation or a grammar issue. Perhaps you could rephrase it.b
Barristers always say if you dont know the answer just tell the truth, there are loads of nurses who say she is innocent, i dont know but would hate to see an innocent person lose her freedom if she isnt guilty,
@@user-ur9es1wl2uI understood it,
@@posvibz553Well, Letby certainly isn’t innocent so you can forget your personal concerns about the serial killer.
@@LauraJayne424I can understand the above poster perfectly
Oh how im glad this is on now. At work and was just looking for something to watch. Thankyou jon
Wow. Your channel just gets better and better!
Absolutely fantastic, thank you Jon. It gives more context to the verdict. I wish more people would understand the details before claiming that she’s innocent.
I thought it was more about 'beyond reasonable doubt'
Their doubts are not reasonable. @@mb1015
@@mb1015 That is a the test the Jury has for itself.
@@mb1015I feel it is beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, the more actual evidence from the trial and statements from Letby herself that I hear, the more confident I am in her guilt. At this point, there’s no doubt in my mind of her guilt. I don’t care for salaciousness. I care for facts and her behavior and explanations, which are not in line with her claims of innocence or integrity at all. She has lied even when she could have told the truth and gained integrity or spared others suffering. It’s deplorable that she insists on appealing after she has dragged the families through this.
@@mb1015 No that's a pretty outdated phrase. This jury was told to be 'sure of guilt' like many others are told nowadays, yes v similar.
Thanx Jon...I hope the NG team watch your channel
Oh this actress is brilliant. Well done to you both !!
I hope you don't grow to regret your closed-minded attitude, as I am sure you don't think the legal system is perfect in every way.
Just look at one of the 250 cases and check out a white person named Brandon Moon. I said that because you may not bother if he wasn't, and you leapt to a judgment from a short video.
This will take multiple listens to process but straight away I’m alleviated of any worries I had about her capacity to be able to adequately explain herself if falsely accused.
She can be very articulate when it’s just a fishing expedition.
Not so much when the same information is used to trap the rat.
Well said
Yup the not sures and vagueness gradually ramp up with each iview.
The whole handover sheet thing is WEIRD. I worked on an emergency ward for several years. All nurses made handover notes and would either empty their pocket at the end of shift, OR they'd keep them safe and bring In a few they had found at home and put them in the confidential waste on their next shift. I can't imagine any nurses keeping hundreds of them. If it was innocent surely you'd think wow I have a huge bag of these now and they are just clutter, I'll get rid. She kept them for a reason absolutely no question.
The nurses I’ve spoken to said it’s fairly common. One for example didn’t have a shredder in the dept so she took them home to shred. Doctors too said they’ve take. them home in their pockets by mistake.
I can believe this to be a common occurrence after perhaps a long stressful or challenging shift, what isn’t clear is why she then kept them in a folder. She clearly did have shredder as now widely documented and even if she didn’t,, well me personally would have either returned to the next shift and disposed of them then or quite simply tore them up by hand and put them in my home’s bin. Keeping the hand over sheets in a folder is pretty strange to say the least.
@@LorraineWalton-Poole According to the nurses I’ve spoken to - because you they’re supposed to be shredded but that takes time so they build up until they have time to do it. One nurse said she tends to burn them as it’s quicker. One said she had a metal box with them in.
@@Ali-Bea why did she keep one of these handover sheets - the sheet of a baby that she is accused of killin - in a keepsake box?
@@Ali-Bea You have done a lot a research about this case then?
The important point in the Police interview is that they explained that they were investigating not the generality of deaths in the Unit but specific Unexpected Deaths which were unexplained and suspicious.
The 'I Love Lucy Letby' groupies keep arguing there were lots of other baby deaths on the Unit which were not blamed on her, ignoring that only those which were Unexpected, in fact inexplicable, which were deemed such as suspicious.
Although this interview concentrates on the Post It Notes and Diaries this is so retrospectively after the Investigation which led to her arrest. These and the Handover Notes were only discovered then.
the I Love Lucy Letby' groupies.. you muppet if hear say can put a person in nic for life .somthing is wrong .
@@davidhulse280Look in the mirror if you want to see who the real muppet is. Lay off the booze
Unbelievable work!!!
Man i must put time aside to listen to all of the video. Thank you putting it out there. Slightly anticipated to elaborate on this case because the families are no 1 in my eyes. What i have heard so far in some identification (horrific crime carried out) these ppl really do a good job in the background. Until on the recieving end would not be so quick to jump to a rash decision on. Truth be known you wouldnt care how the prosecutors did the job once they did it voice over thank you.
'I killed them on purpose' .... 'I didn't kill them on purpose' .... 'Not intentionally' ... OK, so what does 'on purpose' mean here? Why specify that?
She felt blamed that she did it on purpose, she makes it clear that this is how she processes emotions, as someone who processes emotions similarly and have NEVER harmed ANYONE I would be very upset to think my personal workings would be used against me.
Can't remember any deaths specifically but can remember the names of the parents to search them on Facebook
Gloating over their pain.
The only truly realistic channel addressing the Letby cases in their entirety on youtube.
A unit on which bizarre deaths occur in numbers, just happens to have a nurse who keeps such a weird diary. Mmmmm.
People who are saying she’s innocent obviously have not seen all of these videos. I’m basing my opinion on everything I’ve heard on this channel from all the trial. Outstanding content. Thank you.
The people saying there’s no evidence against her are the scientists - the ones who actually understand the medical data. If there are no murders the rest of the circumstantial evidence is irrelevant.
So please explain why more babies died when Letby wasn't on duty than when she was...Really curious to read your thoughts.
There are so many people unfamiliar with the evidence and trial advocating for her in comments.
@@sarahwales6276 There are so many people unfamiliar with medical science who simply do not understand the massive flaws in the evidence. CS2C is one of them.
Your diligence in reporting the truth of this case is beyond admiration. 👍👍❤️❤️❤️👏👏👏Many, many thanks, Jon🌺👏❤️….Not one comment about the babies…it’s ALWAYS about her. Disgusting. So she’s taken all these classes above and beyond her college nursing program, yet she doesn’t about air emboli…are you KIDDING me??
What diligence? he''s just replaying things. Where's the analysis?
@@stefangriffin2688thank god the truth is coming out you baby killer
Jon i would be so interested to hear your personal opinion on LL! You have really thrown yourself into analysis of this case. You are professional and unbiased.
Just because you eventually came to your own opinion doesnt mean u havent been professional throughout your channel output.
We are human and eventually we realise things especially when we are in the vicinity and can hear and feel the energy of people. I know that is inadmissible in a legal trial but we all know that human instinct is real.
I know u are under scrutiny but what you are doing is needed.
Thank you for this channel
I don’t know how anyone could hurt innocent babies, it’s beyond comprehension, thank you Jon & the other speaker 😊
Maybe no crime was committed?
"I didnt kill them intentionally"
"So your competency is the problem?"
"No"
Then goes on to try and explain possible incompetencies.
Then again later says she is sure of her competency.
The math isn't adding up.
Keeping track of so many lies is next to impossible under non-stop questioning
@@snapmalloy5556 , the way she specifically mentioned giving incorrect medication and using equipment incorrectly is chilling in hindsight. She’s eventually accused of poisoning with insulin and using equipment to cause severe liver damage and excess bleeding amongst other crimes. I do wonder if she breathed a sigh of relief that the insulin issue wasn’t even known for the first couple of years she was under suspicion.
When things do add up, it's because truth wasn't in the equation. (A wise person)
@@user-ur9es1wl2u according to the pathologist, baby O died of an inflicted liver injury that could not have occurred due to CPR. How do you believe that injury occurred if not using some form of tool? Baby E was badly haemorrhaging, once again where did that blood come from unless maliciously inflicted using a medical instrument routinely available on the unit. Letby knew that if the parents saw something odd, it’d have to be explained, hence the ‘I may have used equipment incorrectly’ excuse.
@@snapmalloy5556 to be fair, she was told by the hospital she was taken off ward because of her competencies. So that would be confusing.
I have a question regarding the scrubs… why haven’t they explored the fact that we do not take scrubs home? They’re laundered by the hospital and you change in work. I have both uniform and scrubs and don’t wear them to and from work.
I don't know about that - I've lived near a hospital and have seen members of staff in those same colour scrubs going to and from home in scrubs almost every day.
My mum is a nurse. I don't live with her anymore but she definitely used to wear her uniform to work. I'm pretty sure she also wore it home (under her coat).
I work in a hospital and walk to and from work in my uniform as do most others tbf
When she was giving evidence Letby said she laundered her scrubs at home.
It is interesting that during these interviews when they ask her about why she kept handover reports from work she never once says it is because she “collects paper” something she repeatedly claimed during the trial. She also said in the police interviews she couldn’t get rid of the reports because she didn’t own a shredder yet she did own one and kept additional reports in the empty shredder box.
You could have returned them to the confidential waste at work. Constant lies
Valid point!!! Almost like she doesn't collect paper 🤔🤔
Doesn't prove murder or intent though does it...
We can say many things about her guilt, but I don't think it's fair to judge her based on her '' emotional detachment ''. Not everyone wears their heart on their sleeves, and this isn't the kind of job you would want to be emotional in, as they do lose many babies in such wards all around the world. Despite how they personally feel, they are taught to remain professional. Taking the notes home was out of order. This is the biggest red flag for me. But searching for the parents on social media, I don't think is a sign of guilt. This might have been her way of coping, to see if they were getting on with their lives despite their huge loss.
Writing her notes, saying '' I did this ''.. well, as an example, people get accused of bad parenting and begin to question themselves and might come out with statements like '' I'm a terrible parent, I don't deserve my children ''. It doesn't make them guilty or bad. We can say many things, but for the sake of truth and honesty, whatever that may be, we need to stick to facts. It's possible that both she and the hospital are guilty, and unless we uncover the entire truth, more babies could be at risk.
Why woud she searchbfor Baby A's mother just hours after the child's death?
The emotional detachment is likely due to the anti-depressants she was prescribed after being put on leave which she admits to in this interview. They cause emotional numbing and a flat affect, so it may appear that she doesn't care, or comes across as "cold". I don't think people are focusing on this point enough.
@@johnlow810 The Jury took it into account.
@@johnlow810Then what’s her excuse for serial mruder? She didn’t start taking anti depressants until she was deployed off the unit.
@@GenZedsMother I didn't say she had an excuse for anything, read my comment again. Simply trying to explain the emotional detachment.
Your Lucy Letby voice is great now, Jon!
🤣🤣🤣👍
It’s getting there isn’t it!
🤣🤣 I wasn't expecting to laugh during this
@@CrimeScene2Courtroombit of helium?
@@CrimeScene2Courtroom what if you are wrong??
Thank you, Jon. You're the best!
Anybody, nurse, Paramedic, doctor, anyone who has performed IV/IO and any admistration done this way is well aware of the risk of air embolism. It's inconceivable a highly trained NICU nurse has no knowledge of it.
My husband who has no medical training, doesn't really watch anything to do with medical things, even he knows what 1 is 😂😂 so her saying she didn't know is absolute bs
I found out about "air embolisms" (although not those exact words) when I was a kid and someone was trying to frighten me about an upcoming immunisation programme at school. I actually asked the nurse, who did the injections, to make sure there weren't any air bubbles in the syringe!
Exactly! 🎯🎯
Where is the proof of air being injected...?
She wasn't asked if she knew about air embolism (or insulin) and denied even knowing what that was - what she was asked is did she get any specific training (which could be interpreted as a separate training). They don't run entire courses about particular risks, but as she indicated the training she did get did cover the risks with lines and she needed to manage that. Same with the insulin, she talked about how they were trained to manage hypo and hyperglycaemia etc but as nurses wouldn't be a prescriber they wouldn't get specific training in specific classes of medication and training would be based around knowing actions of medications, safe administration of medications.
Seems like a lot of people didn't listen to the question and took this as complete denial of knowledge of air embolism. It's a very rare risk, I've seen recently one case where it happened with a baby and it was in surgery where the anaesthetist was supposed to put some air into the stomach and put the air into the wrong line. The infant tragically died instantly and could be resuscitated. There has never been a case of air embolism via stomach, and it turns out they based that particular charge on an Xray done when not on shift.
“Everything was spiraling out of control and I felt fear and panic” she practically admits it. Why would she ever believe the police would be involved if she was innocent.
@@GenZedsMother Spot on
@@Jane-x4n Another Letby lover
@@Jane-x4n What a win double
@@dianamincher6479 Are you drunk ?
She tries to appear as clueless, helpless and unaware. These things you can’t fake