This insane mod allows Starcraft 1 races vs Starcraft 2 - SO COOL! - Grubby

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  • Have you ever wondered who would win in a match between Starcraft 1 Terrans and Starcraft 2 Terrans? Well, with this custom map, it's now possible! Let's try it!
    This insane mod allows Starcraft 1 races vs Starcraft 2 - SO COOL! (Game played on 10-May-2024)
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  • @VanRukh
    @VanRukh 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +71

    SC1 Zealot: 🦬
    SC2 Zealot: 🐤
    Joke aside SC1 sound design still crushes holy

    • @friskydrinklunkybank1108
      @friskydrinklunkybank1108 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      sc1 sound design in general is amazing. It's on the same tier as wc3 where you can tell whats happening if you dont see it

    • @thijsjong
      @thijsjong 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The sc1 zealot has a higher speed when leg enhancements are researched.
      I like the sc1 zelot better anyway. The charge mechanic is kind of anti micro

    • @kirktown2046
      @kirktown2046 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@friskydrinklunkybank1108 Totally, everything had such weight and character to it in sc1, sc2 things felt relatively throwaway.

    • @Amoeby
      @Amoeby 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@kirktown2046 it's just a nostalgia. We were younger and we put that weight into everything.

    • @kirktown2046
      @kirktown2046 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      ​@@Amoeby Nah, listen to the sc1/2 unit voice comparisons yourself, or just go play a game of each. It's impossible for sc2 unit weight to match sc1, the pace is so much faster alone. I love sc2 as well, but the audio doesn't have the same impact.
      The voice direction, oddly, was kind of flipped from sc1... Sc1 had a less serious atmosphere overall, but the units sounded fairly serious and "cool" (for default lines). Sc2 had a very serious, epic space opera atmosphere all around, but unit dialogue was much less "cool" and more humorous. That really makes a major impact on the vibe.
      Individual unit sounds and effects are lower in the mix by default, they lack environmental sounds like the radio static or blips from sc1 that placed units more intimately into their environments. They played safer away from the southerner stereotype and made everyone more generic.
      Now nostalgia is trying to compete with having Mr. Burns as the science vessel vs the Raven. You can't win that.

  • @ProtossHyrdalisk
    @ProtossHyrdalisk 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    SC1 inside of SC2 is all we ever really wanted for SC2.

    • @markmuller7962
      @markmuller7962 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yep, from the very beginning

    • @L3monsta
      @L3monsta 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@markmuller7962 I mean SC2BW was around in the HotS days but no one noticed. This has the added advantage of facing sc1 races against sc2 though and that's amazing

    • @markmuller7962
      @markmuller7962 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @L3monsta Because the west has been esport illiterate for 15 years after BW blowed up in SK?

    • @markmuller7962
      @markmuller7962 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @L3monsta That's because the west has been esport illiterate for 15 years after BW blowed up in SK

    • @markmuller7962
      @markmuller7962 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @L3monsta That's because the west has been esport illiterate for 15 years after BW exploded in SK

  • @aurorasun-qs1pg
    @aurorasun-qs1pg 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Awesome to see justice for valkyries. In StarCraft 1, Valkyries were supposed to shine in big battles, but they had a bug where they would instead do little to no DMG due to Sprite limits

    • @reishiki8682
      @reishiki8682 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      They've been patched in Remastered, so their intended use against mass Mutalisks does make them shine (2 Valks is enough to deter a full Muta ball).

    • @markmuller7962
      @markmuller7962 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It was fixed

    • @zhadez10
      @zhadez10 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      With the Valk fix in SC remastered they're also the ultimate anti air unit for any big air battles in the Fastest maps so yes the sprite limit really did hold them back for the longest time. Valks being good now also means any mass wraith strats in TvT (that used to be popular for a while) are dead now

    • @markmuller7962
      @markmuller7962 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@zhadez10 That's unfortunate, mass wraith is majestic

  • @suunraze
    @suunraze 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I still think of Valks as "the new expansion unit"

  • @larshyer3367
    @larshyer3367 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I always liked BW models and the 90's SciFi vibe of the unit sounds and responses. Nice to see them in SC2 grfx. Really well done mod

  • @freddesk1693
    @freddesk1693 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    The nostalgia effect plus the modern graphics, awesome !

  • @curtisjohnbentley
    @curtisjohnbentley 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Really refreshing to see different games on the main channel Grubby. The WC3 videos start to blend together when you watch them day after day. (No complaints, your content is amazing), but even having this little change keeps things nice and watchable. I would love to see you play more Brood War with Zerg or Terran, (simply because the graphics were so satisfying.)
    By the way, have you ever played Dawn of War 2? I really think you'd enjoy Dawn of War: Dark Crusade. It's a really challenging game that gets harder (too hard for me, to be honest), even on the campaign mode against the A.I. The A.I. gets two bases by default on some maps, so you're basically 1v2'ing. I'd love to see how you pilot it as the battles are soooooooooo satisfying in Dawn of War.

  • @Searibox
    @Searibox 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    the models of the old units look amazing

  • @AccordingtoVin
    @AccordingtoVin 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Next, Starcraft vs. Warcraft

  • @eragonrank5303
    @eragonrank5303 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Carbot animations coming into reality :D

  • @GraveUypo
    @GraveUypo 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    battlecruisers are the one unit that is uncontestably better in sc2. for these reasons:
    1- warp
    2- can attack while moving
    that elevates it from a meme unit to a serious game-ending threat.

    • @Chubbajawa
      @Chubbajawa 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yamato Gun did 260 damage. From a longer range.

    • @ThisIsntAYoutuber
      @ThisIsntAYoutuber 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Chubbajawa
      Yamato Gun also costs a boatload of energy. SC2 BCs have a shorter Yamato cooldown than SC1 BCs can recover enough energy.

    • @chrisdaignault9845
      @chrisdaignault9845 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I think in this case we saw one reason why BW BCs aren’t strictly worse; their slower shots are much less affected by, for example, the Thor’s armor.

    • @reishiki8682
      @reishiki8682 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Subjective really, they have higher rate of fire but their damage is lower and also penalized by armor more, while BW BC's only fire one slow shots but isn't heavily mitigated by armor upgrades. So its only advantage is mobility with Tac Jumps.
      Oh and SC2 Missile Turrets are better since they also get Hi-Sec Auto Tracking (range increased for defensive structures).

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@chrisdaignault9845 thor only has one armor. Hardly an issue for a bc's 9 damage ground attack. Its their air to air attack that struggles a little with armor, cuz it only has 6 base damage.
      Sc2 bcs have higher air to ground dps than bw bcs on anything other than ultralisks.
      Old yamato did 360 damage instead of 260 but that hardly makes up for how much worse it is at everything else. Bw battlecruisers can barely beat a scout 1vs1. I think 3 scouts beat 2 bcs without yamato, and bcs are unable to disengage.
      Bw bcs are memes. They dont counter anything and get countered by half the units in the game. You are all severly underestimating the utility of firering while moving, as well as thr global warp powers of the sc2 bc. These two units arent even in the same league. Its like F tier vs A tier.

  • @AtillaTheFun1337
    @AtillaTheFun1337 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What I’m getting out of this BW vs SC2 is that BW has some very powerful options, but SC2 has more total options. BW variants can have quite a bit of trouble dealing with early SC2 units they are not accustomed with like Roaches, Reapers and Blink Stalkers, but their casters have deadly strong spells, some benefiting immensely from SC2 engine casting like Spawn Broodlings

  • @YourInnerDemons
    @YourInnerDemons 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like this idea of this mod. Keep up more content like this. Love ya Grubby!

  • @andrejbrabec4503
    @andrejbrabec4503 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    WOW those SC1 units were remade in SC2 style graphics perfectly. These guys should have done the Reforged models :(

  • @nicspan4901
    @nicspan4901 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes this is so fun to watch, hoping for more BW vs SC2 content!

  • @pietrosigismondodelvalenti6371
    @pietrosigismondodelvalenti6371 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's a story older than civilization, the tale of two starcrafts...

  • @ForestKDean
    @ForestKDean 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a fun change of pace! Have you also seen the custom scion races mod?

  • @WhoKnowsWhatTheirDoing
    @WhoKnowsWhatTheirDoing 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very cool. Always interesting to see masters at their craft play other games that are similar to the game they main. I think playing other games help with the creativity and innovations with the main game they are best at. It's like playing multiple sports. Each learning experience from each sport can help in the sport that the person mains. The sounds of the game are neat. From the SCVs to the marines and the research complete

  • @Roland7Spajky7
    @Roland7Spajky7 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i never played bw but the voice lines and sounds overall are so cool

  • @Scimmiel
    @Scimmiel 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Battle cruiser operational, so good

  • @JoeMustache321
    @JoeMustache321 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    hell yes glad to see more of this

  • @CarbonTaxLOL
    @CarbonTaxLOL 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Now we need Zerg and Protoss. And while we are at it, just slap all the Warcraft races into StarCraft engine. 😮

  • @DominicXThienohazard
    @DominicXThienohazard 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    for some reason we kinda forgot grub was a SC1 professional player.
    And we handle this game right back to him.

  • @CCSpraydoodle
    @CCSpraydoodle 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Its grubbin time

  • @guilhermeportugal6389
    @guilhermeportugal6389 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like that in SC1 they had the insight of making the mines not able to target workers.

    • @L3monsta
      @L3monsta 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      they also don't target other vultures and archons due to them also being tagged as "hover" units

  • @Seedr0
    @Seedr0 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is better balanced and more deep than regular SC2, arguably better than BW...
    They just need to make the BW/SC2 selection hidden from your enemy and then it's the most balanced RTS ever... where SC2 versions of races are generally less played but the threat of people using the SC2 higher tech playstyle can always be added to a "best of *" to switch things up. It also just so happens that the least powerful SC1 race of Zerg has the best SC2 tech switch-up, and Protoss conversely has the least effective tech switch-up, with Terran being middle of the road.
    Kind of reminds me of C&C: Zero Hour races with tech options which were super sick.

  • @unnamedlegeon
    @unnamedlegeon 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Actually the thumbnail should be vultures vs hellions, arclite vs crucio tanks and goliath vs viking (on land), well great games dude 😁.

  • @Searibox
    @Searibox 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    did they import interface avatars from starcraft1 remaster?

  • @reishiki8682
    @reishiki8682 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The irony when Grubby learns that 2-Starport Wraith builds are a menace against mirror matchups if the opposing Terran doesn't see it coming.

  • @armoredjoey
    @armoredjoey 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    wintergaming has been showing this mod for months now. This is so big in south korea, its got its own ladder.

  • @numa_kai
    @numa_kai 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    wow. didn't expect you to cover this. but its cool
    sc1 units OP

  • @eduardoserpa1682
    @eduardoserpa1682 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'd love to see something come out of this event-wise in the West. BW units are fun. It's also pretty funny how the SC2 basically had all the Scans in the world to deal with Wraith and Mines.

  • @mickcraftgaming
    @mickcraftgaming 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    SC2 terran seems to love cloaked banshee rushing SC1 Terran.
    I love the fact that I get to make a statement like that. What a world for RTS today!

  • @TheBikeOnTheMoon
    @TheBikeOnTheMoon 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    what's the difference between evo complete and evo complete crossover edition?

  • @DedgyVanced
    @DedgyVanced 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Grubby please play this more

  • @RiffandRoll.
    @RiffandRoll. 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    oh how I love thisss

  • @_Baleful
    @_Baleful 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    “As a casual RTS fan”
    -Grubby

  • @nohuart9854
    @nohuart9854 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i miss playing mass Vulture LOL

  • @junhyeonglee863
    @junhyeonglee863 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    God... my first PC game was Half-Life and Starcraft Broodwar...
    I still play Broodwar, this MOD look so nice...

  • @Delebriel
    @Delebriel 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So fun to see how broken some BW units are in modern SC2 environment and vica versa, how OP teleporting BCs that attack while moving can be for a BW toss, reavers etc.
    Also BW mech terran is just OP as F :D

  • @Lucius_Chiaraviglio
    @Lucius_Chiaraviglio 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What I really wanted for StarCraft 2 was StarCraft 1.5 . . . (Brood War counts as StarCraft 1.1).

  • @Flynnmaster
    @Flynnmaster 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Irradiate is BROKEN against SC2 bio comps

  • @NCGC-cu5oz
    @NCGC-cu5oz 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Valkyrie op

  • @hallo-mt5tx
    @hallo-mt5tx 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    supply depot just needs to be 5 times bigger and clog your base lol

  • @belicose9
    @belicose9 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would love to learn more about the meta around this mod. I LOVE BW but I don’t see how its factions could compete with the SC2 units. I’d love to be wrong though.

    • @Kuubudaraa
      @Kuubudaraa 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Honestly on the SC1 side Vultures still seem cracked and way stronger/versatile than Hellions/Hellbats, and Science Vessels vs. Ravens is a very interesting comparison with how different their utility is, but for the most part there are a lot of handicaps for SC1 terran like depots not burrowing, needing CC addons, no reactors, dropship being strictly worse than medivac, etc.

  • @TofuofLight
    @TofuofLight 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Need Ghosts to lockdown the Thors and valkeryies to absolutely destroy air (10 valk would have absolutely destroyed all his vikings and allow your BC to go to town)

  • @CashMoneyMoore
    @CashMoneyMoore 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think with multiple building select the BW units win every time

  • @vanselli5716
    @vanselli5716 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    뭐야 외국에서도 인기라니 재밌게 즐기죠!

  • @sihTdaeRtnaCuoY
    @sihTdaeRtnaCuoY 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Dragoons better than stalkers? Not even close. Stalker is probably the best unit in any RTS ever. But I generally prefer BW units.

  • @bjovers1
    @bjovers1 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This mod will kill all attempts at developing a new RTS. It will just die. SC2 with SC1 is just too strong. I hope they can make a ladder with all 6 races. That would just be totally bonkers.

  • @Cernunn0s90
    @Cernunn0s90 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    BW is just the better game than SC2 in nearly all aspects. Better art style, better sound design, better music, better campaign and story, better UMS maps, more entertaining as a spectator sport. I still play and watch it to this day, but I have lost all interest in SC2.

  • @MrValieri
    @MrValieri 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Not 36 possible match-ups, if my math is correct, 15. (Because Terran BW player A vs Terran BW player B would have to be different from Terran BW player B vs Terran BW player A for it to be 36 possible combinations, but both are Terran BW mirror-matches.)

    • @xetanth87
      @xetanth87 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      T1vX -> 6 matchups
      Z1vX -> 5 matchups (we exclude the races the first player had above)
      P1vX -> 4 matchups (final matchups with at least one BW player, so 15 if we have at least 1 BW player)
      T2vX -> 3 matchups
      Z2VX -> 2 matchups
      P2VX -> 1 matchup (final matchup, 6 matchups that only include SC2 races)
      So in total you have 15 matchups with at least 1 BW race and 21 matchups in total

    • @MyNameIsDecember
      @MyNameIsDecember 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ?
      3 bw races, 3 sc2 races. 6 total.
      Including mirror matches, that would be 36 possible combinations.

    • @playlists987
      @playlists987 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      For anyone looking at how many matchups, look at the choose function. 6 choose 2 is 15. This does NOT include mirror matchups, so we add those in, giving 15+6= 21 match ups.

    • @quetzacotls4555
      @quetzacotls4555 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Result is: 6+5+4+3+2+1
      The first has 6 possible match-up (the same race same edition included) next race/edit. Combo has 1 less, because we counted already the first possible match-up for the last one. The next has 4 and so on.

  • @markmuller7962
    @markmuller7962 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't get why a mirror match when pvt is so good in thia mod

  • @ernnovikov4296
    @ernnovikov4296 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ye really cool mod but I guess sc bw races are lacking behind macro wise when played on equal skill lvl

  • @yvolot7236
    @yvolot7236 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    just play like maru

  • @HUNAlexander
    @HUNAlexander 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sub to the Grub

  • @petar.m547
    @petar.m547 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yo

  • @GraveUypo
    @GraveUypo 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    it's not very accurate. sc1 scvs don't even deliver 8 minerals. theres a ton of other inaccuracies too, like the siege tanks having only the same AOE as the sc2 tanks, the supply depot being the incorrect size, goliath range being too low even with the upgrade

    • @ripedroxx
      @ripedroxx 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They are constantly balancing it around
      The goal is not to be a 100% recreation but to actually make both games races balanced while keeping their identity and playstyle options

  • @Sinekyre14
    @Sinekyre14 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The fact that someone would voluntarily pick Brood War terran over SC2 terran is comedy in itself.

    • @ripedroxx
      @ripedroxx 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Goliaths and vultures are just way too good, however pretty much everything else is laughably inferior like banshees being infinitely better at harrasing worker lines and defending marines vs wraith tickle damage
      Hell bw terran air is completely nullified by vikings range and speed

  • @goatlord51
    @goatlord51 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You know, it'd be pretty easy for blizzard to turn this into an actual expansion with some sort of time travel theme. All they'd need to do is balance all the races which shouldn't be too difficult nowadays. Just take thousands of AI bots and play them against each other until you reach equilibrium.

    • @zenith5180
      @zenith5180 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You'd need to ascertain that the AI bots are as "skilled" as each other to balance it like that, and that's not a very easy task.

  • @shanthagopian7559
    @shanthagopian7559 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why were you able to float your building? thats not SC1

    • @reishiki8682
      @reishiki8682 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      My guy, he's playing BW Terran where the E-Bay can be lifted unlike SC2's.