Comparing Toyota Lithium-Ion vs Nickel-Metal Hydride Batteries: "Ask the Toyota Expert"!
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- Our Master Diagnostic Technician, Ali, compares Toyota Hybrid Batteries: Nickel-Metal Hydride vs Lithium-Ion. Advantages, Models, Pros vs Cons, More!
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Actually it’s the Lithium battery that is affected by high temperatures. They become unstable and have been known to catch on fire and burn the vehicle down. Cold temperatures also affect the Lithium batteries and lessen the range of the vehicle. The NiMH(Nickel Metal-Hydride battery is unaffected by high or low temperatures. The Lithium batteries also cost a lot more than the NiMH batteries. No one knows how the Lithium battery will compare to the longevity of the NiMH battery because they haven’t been in service nearly as long. The NiMH batteries have been known to power a vehicle for 200,000 to 300,000 miles. FYI
Well actually the cold and extreme heat can definitely affect the nimh. But I like your enthusiasm
@@triple_gem_shining not to the point of becoming unstable… but I like your enthusiasm.
great insight! now I see why Lexus still chose to use NiMH batteries on the 2023 Lexus right now...
That's right. NiMH is last longer and is more proven
NiMH is not affected by high temperature? You must be kidding!
So Aili spends most of his day working on Toyota Hybrids.What does he do for the other 7 hrs and 45-min.
Thank you both. Very helpful Ali. Learning more and more about the Toyota Hybrid system. Much appreciated.
Here's an oddity: Prius e-AWD and Corolla Hybrid models for the U.S. Market do not have a spare tire--only a fix a flat kit. Non e-AWD Prius models for the U.S. do have the compact spare tire with it. Canadian model of the Prius e-AWD and Corolla Hybrid includes spare tire. With the U.S. model Corolla Hybrid, after you remove the styrofoam, there's actually enough room to put a full size spare tire. For many, not having a spare tire is a complete deal breaker so I think Toyota ought to rethink their cost cutting strategy.
Hi, I suppose the only question which is left to ponder is whether the Lithium-Ion batteries have the same impressive lifespan as the Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries. The Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries have been around since the first Prius made its debut over 20 years ago.
In very general term, Lithium-ion lasts longer than NiMH, so far there's no reasons to believe that this general fact doesn't apply to Toyota Hybrids.
Yup I have 330k on my original nickel pack. Just been reconditioned a few times. Not sure a lithium battery can handle that.
@@holmiumh a reason to believe this is lithium batts are negatively effected by cold and hot temps that can cause the batt to catch fire and burn the care as nimh don’t do that
@@cyclonicblade So it is not original lol...
very informational video, Thanks both of you.
Great explanation Ali!
Absolutely remarkable how little these cars have changed in the last 10-15 years.
Theyve just refined what's there. I love the prius
Thanks guys, a very informative video.
Good video.
Amazing Video! This is why Toyota is the best, thanks to individuals like you two! 👍🏽
Thanks to Ali I'm going to now be sure that I don't block my events and then I know their location
I recently purchased a 2021 camry le hybrid. I would like to know how to service the transmission and the hybrid battery because I use it to drive for uber. Thank you so much in advance for the recommendation 😊
You didn't say that ni-mh battery can be charged when temperature is lower than 0 C, lithium battery can be charged only when temperature >0 C
Very interesting!
I wonder if your could please elaborate on highlander hybrids. What batteries are used and if it is any different from RAV4
Thanks for your great information special thanks to Ali too I have Toyota Prius 2019
Just done 9000 miles since I bought it shall I book for first service ? I’m able to change oil and oil filter my self too , Toyota charge me a lot 😊 have a good day thanks.
Very good video. I have a Toyota Corolla hybrid with lithium battery.
And what’s up with those workshops that switch Priuses’ batteries to Lithium-ion? Is it safe or should we just stick to NiMH?
When you sell a certified used car do you replace the tires, oil, belts, or brake pads? Or is the car sold as is?
I have a 2015 CT200h that I plan on maintaining and keeping for a long time. I live in Austin Texas and do not have covered parking so my car gets heated up quite a bit in the hot months. Would you advise against upgrading to a Lithium battery while the technology is still dealing with the heat issue you mention? Much thanks for all of the great advice and videos.
I own a CT 200h 2019.. wich battery has it ? for how many years or kms (Belgium / Europe) are they usefull ?
Li-Ion in Camry 2018- 2021 comes only in the LE trim. If you buy XLE, SE XSE you'll get the old Nickel-Metal Hyd. I wanted the new battery so I had to buy LE and I got the plastic wheel covers on steel wheel, I'm not sad for not getting alloy wheel. I'm getting more than 53 MPG, better than my 2013 Prius.
i wonder how much weight you could remove from a l eco prius to make it the lightest possible to get the best mpg.
Can I replace my nickel metal battery by a new lithium’s
Thanks
Hi ,what are the performance and safety differences between hybrid vehicles with Li-Ion batteries and Ni-MH batteries, say, if I will probably use the car in a cold place, if I travel to Canada in the winter, will hybrid vehicle with Li-Ion batteries do better or not ?
Hi Ali and Fred ..what is the type of battery in 2020 HYBRID Rav4 xle AWD??
I would like to ask if it is possible to use a hybrid cars in the Philippines? We always get flooded during the rainy season and and the climate is always hot during summer time. Thank you very much...
i am interested to buy the Sienna 2021 hybrid. Does it come with Lithium battery?
What is the right temperature for hybrid battery
I have a 2020 AWD Prius and I thought I had a nickel-metal hydride battery, but this video says the AWD Prius have a Lithium-ion battery. What kind do I have? Appreciate it!
So I live in Illinois so I've been thinking about getting a hybrid vehicle should I get a regular Toyota Camry or a Toyota Camry Hybrid the only reason I'm asking you this question because the fact that I heard that hybrids vehicles don't work good in the winter time. And is that true or not true?
Hi,
I have Camry 2012 and I need to change its hybrid battery, here in my country, some engineers\technicians replace the Nickel battery with dry lithium battery extracted from ford fusion cars, my questions here is: is it that possible? is it safe? I hope I find the answer here!
Thanks in advance.
Which is better for north dakota winters?
Could someone answer the following question:
Does the AC have to be on when driving first generation or any generation Prius? Will the windows roll down do?
JEFF: do you know then Toyota Will Being Lithium batteries to the CAMRY XSE Hybrid? 🙏🏽
…not good in extreme heat. I live in the Phoenix Arizona area. So I should avoid getting any hybrid, just the nickel metal type, or ?
Hey
Off subject but I took 2012 Prius in for factory recall and they told me the file is corrupt so come back in a week. What does this mean?
I’m brand new to Prius just learning
What about the new battery tech Toyota came up with Philips? NiMh battery but stacked differently so the current can pass better between cathodes.
So is this lithium ion battery on hybrid car can handle weather like in Death Valley? Where it can goes up 100-120f I believe
I have 2010 toyota prius with nickel metal hydride battery. Can i change to lithium battery to improve mpg?
What about the Highlander Hybrid AWD Batteries? Nickel or Lithium?
Is 2021 highlander platinum hybrid lithium ion or nickel metal?
Great explanations, by the way. Thanks!
@@snake9058 NiMh ... I've not find one piece of evidence or Toyota official article to say otherwise ... the 2021-2022 Highlander has a 1.9kWh nimh battery.
Please review the 2023 Sienna
I'm reconsider my decision I ordered a rav4 hybrid and just noticed it's nickel metal hybrid. I'm considering lithium ion
What is the benefits of buying a certified Toyota car or truck?
then why does the 2022 rav4 still come with NiMH batteries?
Hi, I live in Mexico and I am on the list for a RAV4 Hybrid, unfortunately we just get one version here, which is the Limited AWD and it comes with the Niquel-Metal battery, do you think that is going to be a problem regarding general weight of the car and other considerations?
I am wondering the same. I'm also from México (northwest) and my biggest concern is the heat in this region during summer. Up to 45ºC or more. I am also confused with which of them is better for long term lasting.
The more I read the more I get confused. But I thought Lithium was better than Nickel. 😵💫
Can a nickel bat be replaced by lith ion bat?
Any insight into whether the 2020 Corolla hybrid nickel battery can be retro fitted with a replacement lithium ion hybrid battery in the future? The 2021 models came equipped with either a nickle metal hydride or a lithium ion battery. I would be much more inclined to purchase a 2020 if they are also capable of using either battery type. Does switching between battery types require changing out the cables and wiring?
I would think they can only stick to what the car came with because the computer is programmed to that certain battery.
Ali I hopefully plan to purchase a Toyota Highlander in Central Florida in 2022 would you recommend I purchase a Hybrid model or gasoline model since we have such high humidity
in Central Florida? I would appreciate your advice.
if you park it in the garage, it will last at least 15 years and unlimited miles. the problem is aging and heat, not so much about mileage. in \UK/ireland, they have unlimited miles 15 years warranty because it is always cloudy there. i lived in Florida for decades and my Prius 2nd gen battery gave up after 11 years 230k miles. Heat is the main problems for battery, your AC is part of the cooling and make sure it runs in summer all the time.
I own a 2016 Prius with about 155,000 miles. Being that's its 5 years old with higher mileage, would my battery require to be replaced sooner because of the higher mileage? Or can I expect age to be a better gauge for battery life expectancy.
dont go off of just age of the batteries, look at your MPG, if your city MPG has gone down significantly over the years it might be time to think about changing the battery. If not, dont touch it. Most of the time the battery wont totally go bad, it will just be a faulty cell in the battery that dings the code, you can get a cell to replace that one. (NIMH btw) there are lithium kits available for the prius to upgrade from NIMH but again you have to consider costs. I just got a 2010 prius with 207k miles and original battery. From what I have tested, It is giving me slightly less than the original city MPG when it was new. and with gas prices the way they are, it actually is still worth keeping around with the older battery. Using the AC in the summer will drain it quicker, same with heated seats in the winter. Use the cabin heater when on the highway, that is basically free heating. resistive heating will rely on the auxilary battery and will also require it to be recharged from the main hybrid battery, I'll be posting a video on making a custom auxilary battery if you're interested, i think I might actually be able to make the hybrid battery too based off of voltages and the way the system is set up. But again, this is really only going to affect city milage rather than hwy, At those speeds you would end up using the gas motor to power the vehicle rather than electric.
2:55 You got it the wrong. AWD Prius uses Nickel-Metal Hydride. Regular Gen 4 Prius uses lithium-ion
If anyone bought when this vid was made or just before, you are lucky. There was more stock and prices were much less inflated than today!!!
Not to mention that used car prices are 46% higher as of today. 11/21
Why not have an electric car with a small lithium ion for acceleration assistance and a large NiMh for cruising?
An NiMH battery is cheaper to replace than a lithium ion batter and a smaller lithium battery might reduce the risk of fire.
Ali is the best!
Have any of the Highlander models switched to lithium ion batteries?
No
He's not kidding about the better mileage. I had a 2019 Rav Hybrid (long story) and I was lucky to get 40 mpg and mostly was around 34-37 - it had a Nickel battery. I now have a 2021 XSE Rav with the Lithium and am getting 46-47 in town and 42-44 highway (65 mph) The 19 had the gas tank issue and would give 420 DTE, this one takes 13 gallons (click off) when the light goes on and gives 570-580 DTE. I love it !!!
I can't afford xse so I'm wondering if I just stick to gas
I reserved a xle hybrid but it's not lithium ion
@@mannycali334 I wouldn't worry about it. In retrospect, my error was that the only time I owned the 2019 (Nickel) was from Oct to Feb in Iowa which is the worst time. Hybrids take a big hit in the Winter. I always remember it being a nice warm day when I traded it 100 miles away. Near the dealership it was reading 45 mpg. I should have turned around, but now it's been rectified.
@@dj3114 i just want to keep it forever and I've never owned a hybrid car so it's all this question and concerns that keep popping up like coast of repairs since I just can't take in to any shop.
@@mannycali334 Understand - even though the hybrid changes oil and plugs like any, the hybrid system is indeed another matter. In hybrids, if it's orange, no touchy. The Rav gas is a good choice, but for me personally, if I was going gas only, I'd have probably opted for the Mazda CX5. Good looking, long lasting, 6 speed transmission, beautiful interior, however many cars are made because people like different things. Toyota or Mazda, can't go wrong. In the end, buy what makes you happy over the long term.
Is he right - he says at 2:50 that the AWD gets Li-ION battery? I thought it was the other way round.
Haha that’s what I thought too. This is confusing video
Here in Mexico the RAV4 Hybrid AWD comes with the Niquel-Metal battery.
I have a 2008 Prius 400800 on original batter! Had it checked at the dealership only 2 battery packs are 15.02? All the rest are 15.5 etc.. were can I get it fix, The dealership told me they only replace new battery not repair it??? Any help??? Ty. God Bless!🙏🙏🙏
Yes, it is aging, replacing one or two module is a waste of labor time. 15 years is a lot, many of us replace it in about 12 years in hot weather like TExas or Florida. Park your car in garage and it will last really long, and always use AC to cooldown the battery too.
Is the coolant in the gas engine the same as in the converter?
Same exact type of coolant. But the two systems (engine vs. inverter) are completely separate. The engine coolant gets a lot hotter vs. the inverter coolant. You need to change coolant in both systems. Inverter coolant change is incredibly easy = drain and fill. Engine coolant change is a little more complicated, making sure the heater is set to hot, draining completely from the block as well as radiator, and filling to ensure no bubbles are trapped. Still not rocket science.
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When I will change Transmission/gear oil for Prius 5 2016?
I think it's every 60k miles to change transmission fluid.. 30k miles for coolant and every 10k miles or every 6 months whatever comes first for engine oil change. Also, check or clean hybrid battery fan, cabin filter, air filter, etc. But I use Castrol high mileage motor oil that's guaranteed to be good for 20k miles but i don't go that far i always change it at 10k miles.
What type of battery in Highlander Hybrid Limited?
Hi that’s a sealed nickel-metal hydride
What type of battery does the 2021 Camry xse hybrid have in it?
All 2021 Camry Hybrids have Li-Ion batteries. (According to toyota.com)
How much would it cost to replace the batteries? Which is more expensive?
i just got the info from the store where i got my Corolla 1.8 hybrid
Here in Slovenia EU the price of the battery + Work is 2.800€ tax included.
my older Yaris 2017 with a nimh on the other hand is about 1.000€ for the battery and work including tax.
by my research on the web i think its similar every where, in the USA a lithium battery for a corolla goes for about 3.000$ so its pritty much the same.
Do you recommend to change nickel battery to lithium battery for prius 3d generation???
is that even poss?
How much gonna cost to replace in general?
Too much
Hello, is it possible to replace a Nickel Metal Hydride battery with a Lithium Ion battery and vise versa?
Yes! Please answer this question!
Very unlikely. The computer is tuned to the battery, and makes all adjustments constantly. It will be expecting a battery type according to the vehicle VIN.
If an owner has an older Prius originally configured with an Nimh battery, can it and should it be replaced with a suitable lion battery when replacement time arrives?
Go for the new lithium replacement battery from Dr. Prius. Same price as a new battery from the dealer. $2150.
Not if you're living in hot states.
Stick with NiMH
@@nostradamus7648
In Jordan the temperature reach from 30 to 40°c it's suitable and safe to replace NiMH with lithium?
@@khalidaqrabawi2271 NiMH lasts longer in hot climates.
That's its advantage over Lithium.
@@nostradamus7648 like California I assume?
I have a 2021 Toyota Corolla Hybrid LE. I trust that I have a Lithium battery pack??
Look at the sticker on the bottom of your hood
Weight is a very important factor in a car that is burdened with an engine, 1 or more electric motor/generator, batteries and fuel tank, in addition to a regular vehicle's load.
Hello expert. I have a Prius 2006 that requires some hybrid battery modules or cells. Do you know the part number for the hybrid battery modules that are within the hybrid battery pack? The hybrid battery module is NiMH, 7.2v, 6.5amps. Thanks for the information.
Good discourse, thank you both. My 2c worth is merely that NiMh in other guises, are pretty poor for shelf-life and self-discharging. The small NiMh batteries I use for replacing consumer batteries in torches, cameras, etc, they do very badly if left unused for more than 6 months, even the ‘long life/pre-charged’ type. My Li-ion or LiFe (Lithium-Iron, a similar set of characteristics), experience is from my small motorcycle replacement battery. Short version, bike off the road during winter, the lead acid antiquated batteries die after 6 weeks or 2 months non-use. You can;t even turn the bike over without recharging it. The Li-ion is about 2/3 charge, when the lead acid one is dead. Thus, it starts the bike, and runs fine and you may not need to charge it at all. I don’t have a NiMh battery for my bike, so I have to refer to the lead acid experience…but, crucially, the single thing NiMh and lead acid have in common, is ‘dying’ through non-use, and being unable to be revived. Li-ion or LiFe types, are fine, they tolerate remaining at low charge states, the same as deep-discharging. Critically then, the later year toyotas are the ones you want, they have moved with the Yaris hybrid, to Li-ion from NiMh.
There’s many, many Yaris hybrid owners have troubles with batteries. And famously of course, the 12V batteries are commonly a terrible issue on both EVs and hybrids! It’s astonishing, and should never happen now. Hybrids and EVs ought to have 12V batteries that are Li-ion, as of the 2020’s. There is a price difference of maybe $300 or so? If it averts even one single ‘breakdown’ or failure to start, or warning light episode, it’s paid for itself - and by the problem pages in various online discussions, it will definitely happen to a lot of owners. Take care all, and thanks for this video info.
I have a 2006 Prius I bought in 09 with 331k miles, original hybrid battery. I just upgraded this week with lithium iron phosphate batteries. Even though my original battery still showed in good shape, I wanted to try the lithium. Also have a 08 Prius with 313k, original miles, original battery. This car sits in Florida year round, 6 months parked in the brutal summer heat, and 6 months I drive it. Like one reviewer said, they changed very little, in fact my 06 and 08 are identical in every way except different colors. I love the 50+ mpg! I'm not the classiest guy on the block but I sure enjoy no car payments.....
Hi Ali and Fred,
Is it possible to replace Prius NiMh batteries with Li-On battery pack for better performance and better MPG?
Yes it is , many people do it
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What battery does the 2020 prius le battery have
Lithium
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ALI,Thank you for sharing your mechanical knowledge! Recently i purchased a used Toyota Lexus300. HAS ONLY 115K ON IT. So far just minor repairs. Vehicle runs good for a 21 year old. I just saw something on the internet that scares me about the Vehical, that i dident know. T here prone to having transmissions die! any time any where, usually between 100 to 130k.Out side of having newer trans fluid, and no leakes, would you suggest what else i can do to prevent a possiable catastrafy!!! I appreciate your advice! .Anetas husband.., DUMMY ME! never would have bought the suv if id known that about the trans probems.
Transmission is the last thing may fail in hybrid 3rd gen or newer. They may last millions of miles. The battery is the weakest point especially if you live in hot weather. They last typically 11-12 years just after the warranty is over. If you park it in garage or live i mild weather like Seatle, they last really long. At least 15 years, unlimited miles.
Change the ATF fluid. Don't use the OEM WS fluid. It's not synthetic. And don't use the phony "Synthetic" ATF at the auto parts store (Group 3) It has no synthetic base. Order from Amazon real synthetic ATF: REDLINE D6. It's Group 4/5.
doesnt awd have nioh
In extreme heat, NiMH can deteriorate faster... you mean lithium ion...
My 2016 Gen 4 Prius with touring 3 comes with lithium ion battery so he's wrong lol 😂 if you get higher package like type 3 or 4 you do get the better longer lasting batterys
For a video specifically about lithium-ion and nickel batteries, it's not so great on the facts about lithium-ion and nickel batteries. The lithium-ion batteries are the ones more affected by extreme temperatures, and the AWD prius is the one with the nickel battery, not the FWD prius which has lithium.
I appreciate the this wonderful information. Can you install a lithium battery in an older 2007 Prius. Also it would be great to know the difference in price Thank you for your knowledge. Mrs J
it not about the batteries it about the car weight
SUMMARY:
Jeff Teig from Fred Anderson Toyota introduces expert Ali, who discusses the differences between nickel-metal hydride and lithium-ion batteries in Toyota hybrids. Lithium-ion batteries are lighter, faster to charge, and provide better mileage. Toyota hybrids typically have nickel-metal hydride batteries, but some, like the Venza, have lithium-ion batteries. Hybrid battery packs are typically four to four and a half feet wide, one and a half to two feet deep, and one foot tall. They are located in the trunk or under the second back seat and must not be covered to ensure proper cooling. Other components include the coolant reservoir, washer jug, gasoline engine, air filter, inverter converter, and 12-volt battery.
Don’t listen to this dude guys. Two years ago I had to replace the hybrid battery for a 2011 Camry and 2013 Prius. He says it lasts for 15-20 years? They cost around 1000 USD
How many miles u did on your vehicles? Where did u change it for $1000 , mechanic asking me $2000
@@andyquentero9856 it’s second hand not brand new
@@baraatarawneh3135 I don't think he is putting brand new either
Because you don't live in mild enough weather. If you live in FL or Arizona, for sure it will die in less than 11 years. You should keep it in the garage or shade to make it last 15 years or more. Don't forget to turn the AC on all the time, it is part of the cooling too. It cost about $3000 not $1000 on Camry.
My 2016 prius gen 4 has 150k miles and it's still running very good but Toyota doesn't want you to know this also dealership won't tell you this simple thing you need to change your damn air filter for fan blower or else you will ens up replacing the fan witch is expensive in between$200 up to $400 or you will burn your battery when it does over heat so be aware replace your filter for $15 or less evey 60k up to 80k miles
It's part of the service schedule.
This is a confusing video. I thought all the awde are nickel.
Hybrid vehicles have so much equipment and electrical systems. So much to fail. Give me a small displacement gas engine with a turbo.
Simplicity is better and more reliable. I had a friend that drove a VW Rabbit that got 52mpg with her Diesel engine. And that was back in the 1970’s.
Yeah, turbo … like VAG or BMW turbo … they never fail ( or maybe it won’t have enough time to fail … the distribution will just break before ) 😂😂😂🤦♂️
Well my choice would be an unaspirated small block V8. But those have pretty much gone by the wayside. Engine options are limited nowadays. That’s why I have a 2007 Mustang GT that gets 25mpg on the highway and 17 in town. That mpg is not good enough for the government nowadays.
That has not been the history of Hybrids. Many Prius's have gone well over 200k without any issue and no battery replacement. The Hybrid transmission (ECTV) has been bullet proof for Toyota over 20 years.
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