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  • @jd190d
    @jd190d วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    The BTK killer was a lifelong Christian, worked at his church and was a family man. When the FBI contacted the church where the printer he printed letters on was located the pastor said there was no way he did what they said because he was a devout Christian who would never do that. BTW he was tried, convicted and even confessed.

  • @grantwing4942
    @grantwing4942 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    This guy has an amazing skill of not quite answering the question. He gives a reply that is somewhat related but not addressing the query. He doesnt even pause. Its amazing. Its like he is running on a different track or alternate dimension.

    • @wesmanpipes9430
      @wesmanpipes9430 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      He also goes by the name Rick and a few other names. I guess I always realized Christians were liars.

    • @anthonysmith8800
      @anthonysmith8800 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I think it's a tactic they teach in Apologetics classes.

    • @bazingaburg8264
      @bazingaburg8264 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Playing devil's advocate is rarely fun, but bare with me: Giving answers to tangential questions never asked may seem disingenuous, but people work off different demplates, differing datapools. Did my Mom love me? Well, she cared for me. Was that a direct answer or a dodge?

    • @brnfrmjts05
      @brnfrmjts05 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, imagine encountering this weirdo in real life. 😂

    • @jimster1577
      @jimster1577 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      He went to the Kelly Ann Conway school of lying in public.

  • @Kendahlarama
    @Kendahlarama 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

    Katie is always so good! I love her intuitive and intelligent approach!!

  • @davidszeremi1786
    @davidszeremi1786 วันที่ผ่านมา +103

    Nobody ever went to war and killed people in the name of "I don't know"

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      But they will if they have no reason not to.

    • @LunaBoo12
      @LunaBoo12 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      ​@@gregsanich5183 Are you implying that one needs a religion to tell them war is bad and we shouldn't do it?

    • @davidszeremi1786
      @davidszeremi1786 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@gregsanich5183 God literally ordered people to go to war in the Bible so ...

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@LunaBoo12
      ....does athiesm condem or prohibit war?

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @davidszeremi1786 did he?
      .....and you think that's a bad thing? Is war always bad?
      Should the allies have not gone to war with the axis?

  • @gatorboymike
    @gatorboymike วันที่ผ่านมา +40

    I've encountered screaming assloads of Christians who use "Well, I'm TRYING to not sin, but I'm a flawed, imperfect being" as an excuse to not actually try not to sin at all, or to knowingly and intentionally sin. It's nothing but a fake-ass load of shit and always has been.

    • @jd190d
      @jd190d วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have been an Atheist since I was 12 and I have never felt a desire to run out and kill, rob or hurt innocent people. If their religion is the only thing holding these people back then there is something fundamentally flawed about them.

    • @Kellie08
      @Kellie08 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      You are absolutely correct. I can’t count the number of Christians who use the “God knows I’m a sinner” bullshit. It’s so damn ridiculous.

  • @jonnowds
    @jonnowds วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    Just pick up them goal posts and RUUUUUUUNNNN, Thomas!!!! 🤣

  • @IamValak-j9e
    @IamValak-j9e วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    this guy called into the atheist experience and Matt ripped him a new one

    • @davidzeledon61
      @davidzeledon61 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I think this guy is starting to like it. He's called a number of times and everytime is the same outcome.

    • @LillyTheLonelySock
      @LillyTheLonelySock วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Do you know what episode it was? I'm trying to find it here on TH-cam so I can watched it next.

    • @samanthajayewardene4523
      @samanthajayewardene4523 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@davidzeledon61 He's a masochist like most theists.

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@IamValak-j9e weird, you mean the athiest Wilfred brimmley had another diabetic rage on one of his guests again, ... that's completely normal.

  • @simonkoster
    @simonkoster วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    "No True Scotsman" on steroids.

    • @LunaBoo12
      @LunaBoo12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Dude seems to not really know what Christian even means, since he said he doesn't know if he's a real Christian because he doesn't know for sure if he's going to heaven. Like...that's not how that works? A Christian is pretty much anyone who says they are a Christian.

  • @tiltingwindmill
    @tiltingwindmill วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    SR will always be one of my favorite hosts.

  • @Bailer86
    @Bailer86 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Caller doesn't know he's a Christian.
    Caller knows who is a Christian and who isn't a Christian

    • @tekbarrier
      @tekbarrier วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Exactly 😂

    • @LunaBoo12
      @LunaBoo12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Caller seems very confused about many things.

    • @markoshun
      @markoshun 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@LunaBoo12 Yes, and also very confident he's right about those same things..

  • @terrencelockett4072
    @terrencelockett4072 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    He just wanted to find a way to equate atheism with inherently bad people. Once he said you're closer to being an atheist if you murder someone, that's the ignorant bad faith on full display.

    • @LunaBoo12
      @LunaBoo12 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Yeah, he seems to think "Christian" means good person and "atheist" means bad person, which is not correct for either term.

    • @Kellie08
      @Kellie08 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      He’s obviously never looked into the percentage of theists that are in the US prison systems.

  • @michaelanderson18
    @michaelanderson18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I miss seeing Katy. She warms my heart ❤️

  • @kokos9652
    @kokos9652 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    what I really wonder about is why should I be afraid of going to hell as an atheist... Jesus died for ALL my sins; past, present or future. so I'm good, right?

    • @danielkeizer4174
      @danielkeizer4174 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Asked this same question w couple times. Usually the answer is there's some caveat in having to believe in it being true...so I said I did that, but still didn't want to go to church or read the bible and pray. And if that counts...the silence is deafening.

    • @benjaminmadrigalperez9010
      @benjaminmadrigalperez9010 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@danielkeizer4174 funny stuff. Jesus actually said that it's prefarable to do what You are doing than going to church everyday.

    • @yourenotspecial3735
      @yourenotspecial3735 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @danielkeizer4174 “But we kind of need your money…” - Priest Mr Krabs

    • @danielkeizer4174
      @danielkeizer4174 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@yourenotspecial3735 right on the nose. Whenever someone comes offering salvation. Wonder what they are trying to sell you. If they require anything in return, then they didn't give you anything. They merely came to take something from you.
      "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes"

  • @davidszeremi1786
    @davidszeremi1786 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    4:40 no true Scottsman. Ty Katy.

  • @stevewhite6861
    @stevewhite6861 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Thomas add a whole new meaning to doubting.

  • @Devious_Dave
    @Devious_Dave วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Have there ever been any Christians, Thomas? He seems to leave open the possibility that nobody's a 'true Christian'. 😀

    • @danielkeizer4174
      @danielkeizer4174 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      That's indeed a fair question. But if they had that capacity for reflection...

    • @terrencelockett4072
      @terrencelockett4072 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      The hosts did kind of bring up that point and he kind of just pushed past it repeating the repentance stuff.

  • @ToothbrushMan
    @ToothbrushMan วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    So if you become a believer, then all your sins are forgiven? But if you sin, then you were never a believer in the first place?

  • @1389Chopin
    @1389Chopin วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Great convo and discussion! Well done you guys are very calm and collected

  • @Soylent1981
    @Soylent1981 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    If you’re going to do some special pleading, you might as well go all in. Christianity seems like it is so amorphous that it’s entirely meaningless, even rejecting Katy’s definition.

  • @Leith_Crowther
    @Leith_Crowther วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Tell that to Andrea Yates’ kids when you get to Heaven.

    • @Kellie08
      @Kellie08 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That story haunts me to this day.

    • @Kellie08
      @Kellie08 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      A Christian would tell you it’s on that she killed her children because they went to heaven. That’s how they excuse the fact that their god is pathetic.

  • @defenestratefalsehoods
    @defenestratefalsehoods วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    We don't know what jesus said. He never wrote anything down and everything written about what he said came from some anonymous writers 30-60 years after his death.

  • @tallenpelegrin7026
    @tallenpelegrin7026 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Oh, yes, and belief in Christianity doesn't lead to murder. This makes no sense at all.

  • @terrencelockett4072
    @terrencelockett4072 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    So he just tried to address the argument by stating a premise of the argument technically. Then he thinks the hosts are the ones not listening. A part of the argument was about whether or not a person who's shown and displayed repent for a murder, is a "real" Christian. And he addresses that by saying "real" Christians can and do sin but have to try and change from their sinful ways and repent for any new sins. And they use this answer to show how a murderer or a person who murdered someone can be a "real" Christian . And still goes on to say they aren't listening when he repeats the same thing.

  • @wsconsn
    @wsconsn วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Jesus did go all Bronze Age active sh00ter in a temple with a whip, and whip wounds can get infected and cause death if untreated.

    • @ChrisM-zm4li
      @ChrisM-zm4li วันที่ผ่านมา

      Conservative Christians LOVE that one tiny story from the Bible more than any other. It allows the worst, most violent and oppressive jerks to attack and destroy and go, "I'm just like Jesus in the Temple!! Righteous anger and violence just like Jesus taught us!!" Yuck.

  • @Wix_Mitwirth
    @Wix_Mitwirth วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I cursed a source of figs once, but it was the store that sold figs in bulk and didn't tell me if I'm supposed to eat the outside or not. Are you?

    • @aaronmatzkin7966
      @aaronmatzkin7966 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I cursed a fig tree once, but it was in season and bore delicious fruit. It just looked at me the wrong way and I wasn't having it.

    • @LunaBoo12
      @LunaBoo12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@aaronmatzkin7966 You show that fig tree who's boss.

  • @aaronmatzkin7966
    @aaronmatzkin7966 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I'm a christian.
    A christian is someobe who believes in jesus.
    I believe in jesus.
    A christian doesn't sin.
    Well, a christian can sin but has a redemptive heart.
    Are you listening to me, a christian can not sin.
    I don't know if I'm a christian.
    I'm a christian and I don't sin.
    Everybody sins.
    Everybody sins except christians!
    Go back and listen to what I've said because I haven't said what you have me on record of having said!
    -Caller

    • @LunaBoo12
      @LunaBoo12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Extremely accurate summary.

    • @Kellie08
      @Kellie08 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      That’s what I heard too. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @jacquespoulemer
    @jacquespoulemer วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    how many mountains have they cast into the sea...let's see them get around that one hehehe

  • @TheSnoeedog
    @TheSnoeedog วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Definitely Rick, from Canada...fucking cartoon

    • @ARoll925
      @ARoll925 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's funny how he disregards that commandment "thou shalt not lie" while questioning the atheist's morality, it's amazing the hypocrisy

  • @markwoods4439
    @markwoods4439 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    This is what indoctrination does to you. But I bet the caller wants to pray for the hosts of the show, pathetic😡

  • @jon_r_gilbert
    @jon_r_gilbert วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    There are so many rules to being a Christian, and each Chritian follows a different set of rules to be a Christian. And sometimes they even make up their own rules or interpretation of the rules. So, tell us again what it takes to be a REAL Christian. OR... and go with me on this...go argue amongst yourselves FIRST and then come back and let us know the OBJECTIVE Christian rules.

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What are the objective rules for athiests,?

    • @jon_r_gilbert
      @jon_r_gilbert วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@gregsanich5183All atheists are different. There is nothing objective, same as Christianity.

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @jon_r_gilbert .....soooo,... how is that a critisism here then ?

    • @kaizokuo5850
      @kaizokuo5850 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@gregsanich5183 Because the hosts generally don't accuse atheists of "not being true atheists" , but callers on this show *very frequently* call other Christians "not real Christians". Get it?

    • @jon_r_gilbert
      @jon_r_gilbert 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@gregsanich5183 The caller is talking about his belief and how it's the real belief even though other Christians believe differently. There's no consensus. No hard set rules. If Christianity is different for everyone, the none have a floor to stand on.

  • @TheLevantin
    @TheLevantin 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I don't understand how people manage to believe contradictory things. “No Christian sins” and 'I am a Christian and I sin' are contradictory.

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That's OK, nobody believes or claims the former.

  • @grantmcraven
    @grantmcraven วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Interesting discussion. I guess neither Military nor Police can be 'true' Christians.

  • @TheRaven_200
    @TheRaven_200 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thomas/Rick/John/Whatever the fawq he's going by always calls in with complete and utter bull crap. 😂

  • @iitywybmad29
    @iitywybmad29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    moral arguement -
    The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest known law code surviving today. It is from Mesopotamia and is written on tablets, in the Sumerian language c. 2100-2050 BCE. Wikipedia
    The Code of Hammurabi is a Babylonian legal text composed during 1755-1750 BCE. It is the longest, best-organized, and best-preserved legal text from the ancient Near East. It is written in the Old Babylonian dialect of Akkadian, purportedly by Hammurabi, sixth king of the First Dynasty of Babylon. Wikipedia
    So, where are the ten commandments and the ark of the covenant? The best that you can do is to say that they were written about in a mid 5th century BCE book.

  • @graemerose1616
    @graemerose1616 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Sounds right for th person some Christians claims to be the son of a geno.cidal God...
    34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
    ‘a man against his father,
    a daughter against her mother,
    a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
    36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own
    household.’”

  • @Wheres_the_money_lebowski
    @Wheres_the_money_lebowski วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Im Doubting Thomas was being serious

  • @feedingravens
    @feedingravens วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Question: After God lost an 'o', is he still good?

  • @brandonevans2588
    @brandonevans2588 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dahmer repented his sin, became a born again Christian and he was killed by a Christian for it.

  • @Demonslayre
    @Demonslayre 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    "Works aren't miracles! Works are the things you did in life!"
    Like.... the miracle things jesus did during his life?

  • @brianharris7243
    @brianharris7243 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Book says something and we are supposed to take it as gospel...oh yeah...sorry it's a load of old tosh.

    • @MrCanis4
      @MrCanis4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      A book that 95% of humanity has never heard of.

    • @Ghalaghor_McAllistor
      @Ghalaghor_McAllistor วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      A book that was written, translated and edited by humans.

    • @MrCanis4
      @MrCanis4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@Ghalaghor_McAllistor And that largely by prejudices priests and monks. Already believers.

    • @terrencelockett4072
      @terrencelockett4072 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      And following my specific interpretation of the book makes you a "true" believer of what's in the book.

    • @benjaminmadrigalperez9010
      @benjaminmadrigalperez9010 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Except that many part contradict each other.

  • @sjhoneywell6235
    @sjhoneywell6235 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This is just No True Scotsman with extra steps.

  • @georgefear5564
    @georgefear5564 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    when someone starts a discussion asking you to define their terms its always a set up

  • @Skeptic236
    @Skeptic236 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Excellent discussion: Would it not be a belief in Jesus as the son of God"? I believe in Che Guevera, or Ghandi or....? They existed and there's proof from many sources. Only the Bible is there for Jesus. Sadly, you missed hitting him with slavery..Jesus never criticised slavery..so much for "love thy neighbour as yourself".. one of the basic tenets of Christianity.

  • @jeffc2630
    @jeffc2630 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    So, thomas is saying the crusaders are not christians then ?
    What a load of crap !

  • @grahamjones5400
    @grahamjones5400 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    SR has this mischievous look on his face 😏😌🥸🤓

  • @StevO2025
    @StevO2025 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Rick from Canada 🇨🇦 were in for some gish goshing !

  • @duanejohnson9798
    @duanejohnson9798 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Jesus was tried and found guilty of the hatred of all humanity. He organized a group of followers to burn the temples of the other gods.

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Sigh,....you theists and your unsubstantiated claims🙄

  • @ElizabethCox-z9o
    @ElizabethCox-z9o วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I could argue quite the opposite religion and politics have caused more harm to others when it comes to the extremist. Like the so-called Nazis who practiced Christianity that killed millions you can also say that about politics.

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @ElizabethCox-z9o
      ... ? ... 🤨 what are you trying to say here?
      Bc the nazis didn't practice christianity. While members of the party may certainly have been christian, the party was not a religious organization and was not affiliated with the faith in any capacity, nor did they have any religous criteria or requirements for membership.
      In fact, the policies and agenda of the nazi party were distinctly and definitionaly 'anti-christ', so any christian members that participated, did so in spite of the fundamental conflict with, and contradiction to christian doctrinal beliefs.

  • @jimster7277
    @jimster7277 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Please ask callers to explain Acts 5 in terms of Christ's teaching.

  • @loodlebop
    @loodlebop 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Witches are theists too remember. .... so mabey that's not so bad afterall when you think about it, eh?

  • @rationalist8805
    @rationalist8805 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    @15:40 secular isn't sure about which is worse, and neither am I.

  • @RealTimePogo
    @RealTimePogo 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Everyone is who they say they are, unless they really aren’t?

  • @IamValak-j9e
    @IamValak-j9e วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    christian always like to quote confucious and apply it to their boy,

  • @Chonoryokusha
    @Chonoryokusha วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Then explain Japan please, Thomas.

  • @johnatkins3017
    @johnatkins3017 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oy! What a caller.

  • @casper130rocks
    @casper130rocks วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Someone should tell him Jesus also said that his followers would be united in their beliefs to take that as fact means there is no true Christian follower of Jesus

  • @cesariglesias297
    @cesariglesias297 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Just how many unbelievers were mentioned in the Bible when the religious people where on the judging Jesus for blasphemy the religious people never notice the nailing part can hurt you ?

  • @mitchhaelann9215
    @mitchhaelann9215 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Literally all the available evidence suggests the exact opposite.

  • @makkukoo
    @makkukoo 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Um... This is clearly Rick from Canada, or whatever his pseudonym or location is on whatever call. If you search for his many calls on a variety of these shows, you will come across defences of biblical genocide and whatnot. This guy doesn't give up when he should have already.

  • @pretzelogic2689
    @pretzelogic2689 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I thought he murdered one of his teaches. I know it's not in the bible but it is in a writing that could have been included.
    P.S. Just did a little bit of research. Turns out he killed some children and blinded some of Joseph and Mary's neighbors! There is maybe more. Sounds like anger issues.

  • @eklektikTubb
    @eklektikTubb 2 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    It seems that his point was that atheists keep sinning equally during all of their life, while Christians are somehow moraly evolving, so the number and severity of their sins is gradually decreasing until they all become holy. But why mentioning murder? Is it, like, the highest severity sin and somehow easiest to avoid? Is murderer becoming a non-murderer a first step on a pathway to holiness? Maybe that is what he thinks, but he didnt make that claim, so ... i dont know.

  • @duanejohnson9798
    @duanejohnson9798 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What is the difference between sin and a crime?

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Legality

  • @amunek
    @amunek วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I doubt this guy is living the life he accuses of others not doing. A wasted call...

  • @kennyearthling7965
    @kennyearthling7965 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This guy needs to look up the "no true scotsman" fallacy

  • @loodlebop
    @loodlebop 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    You'll do what Jesus does and better. Everyone sins. Therefore Jesus sins or nobody believes or its not real. Take your pick

  • @ARoll925
    @ARoll925 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Ah Thomas is clearly a liar, as he has previously called in as Rick in Canada, why are you using a different name Rick?, I recognize your voice and condescending nonsense from previous calls

  • @MatsPhoto
    @MatsPhoto วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Does that maniac still call the show? Mr Right, right!

  • @DanTaurusAtheist56
    @DanTaurusAtheist56 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nah believers do that us atheists against it

    • @gregsanich5183
      @gregsanich5183 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Athiesm is against it?

  • @PaulaJonesyJones
    @PaulaJonesyJones วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    What is this made up word “repentive” he is using? Sorry to be nitpicky.

  • @MisterG2323
    @MisterG2323 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Thomas wants to have his cake and eat it, too. Typical theist.

  • @geoffday2
    @geoffday2 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thomas, why can’t you understand anything. Your argument is backward.

  • @deannekearns7074
    @deannekearns7074 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    SR, works and miracles absolutely are two separate things. Miracles are the supernatural feats supposedly wrought by jesus and his disciples. Works are things like feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, supporting the poor. James said "faith without works is dead," alluding to these very things. I don't know if you were trying to be cute or sarcastic, but you came across smug and ignorant.

    • @terrencelockett4072
      @terrencelockett4072 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      The miracles were also works though, like feeding the hungry and healing the sick and disabled. They literally brought up the miracle of feeding people as an example. You're giving examples of works that also came from miracles. Like yea they aren't exactly the same thing, but if you describe works and some of the miracles also are described by those things, wouldn't it be correct to say those miracles were also works?

    • @markoshun
      @markoshun 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@terrencelockett4072 All miracles are works, but not all works are miracles.. ?

    • @terrencelockett4072
      @terrencelockett4072 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@markoshun
      No, if miracles are works they're works. If works are feeding people in need and the miracle is feeding people in need, I would think that miracle is a form of "works".

    • @markoshun
      @markoshun 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@terrencelockett4072 Still sounds to me like we are agreeing. Do you agree that 'All miracles are works'?

    • @terrencelockett4072
      @terrencelockett4072 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@markoshun
      No not really. It also depends on what you think a miracle is. And in the context we're talking about works are in service to others, and if a miracle is really only self serving, I don't think it could truly be considered "works" in the context we're talking about. Like the miracle of walking on water, I wouldn't really consider that "works".

  • @Mark1615-zi4er
    @Mark1615-zi4er วันที่ผ่านมา

    Repent. Believe in Jesus for salvation and be born again, becoming a new person in this life. Luke 24:47, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV

    • @albaniahenry-franklin2829
      @albaniahenry-franklin2829 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Why do you ANGRILY deny the existence of your creator and the one objectively TRUE living God Begochiddy!??
      You are a willful child of the creator of the cosmos and one objectively TRUE living God Begochiddy that wants to live a life of debauched SIN!
      Your anger toward your divine creator and one objectively TRUE living God Begochiddy has blinded you to His spiritual perfection and lead you to believe in an evidently nonexistent FALSE "God" and it's demoniacal cult of idolatrous believers that revere and worship the cross that it's blasphemous equally fictional offspring supposedly died on!
      Release your anger and accept the warm embrace of your TRUE creator and only God worthy of worship Begochiddy.
      Merciful Begochiddy is the Way, the TRUTH, and the LIGHT!
      Omnipotent omniscient omnipresent omnibenevolent Begochiddy...all praises to His name....will save you from your sins before it is too late with His everlasting love and grant you unending life in His paradise illuminated by His light of perfection.
      Are you brave enough to accept the one TRUE living God Begochiddy's invitation to join Him in blessed paradise forever illuminated by his all encompassing light??
      REPENT!
      🤣

    • @ericmishima
      @ericmishima วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      😊 no, but thank you.

    • @gottfriedosterbach3907
      @gottfriedosterbach3907 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Jesus was just Odin taking a trip and messing with some desert people, prove me wrong.

    • @feedingravens
      @feedingravens วันที่ผ่านมา

      As you lost your own language and so your own independent thinking and turned into an automat spewing out Bible verses and that's it, I see no reason to follow your path.
      I want to develop, become better, and that means finding out new things. That is what life is about, change.
      You have reached your end point. There is ONLY the Bible (verses) that exist in your world. You cannot develop anymore. In a certain way, you are dead.

    • @willardstaton
      @willardstaton วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Oh wow, I just saw your message and all of a sudden I became a Christian. Really powerful thing this 'typing on a chat', definitely worth the time it takes to do it. Extremely effective especially on an Atheist chat.