@@Bobspineable no need to ask. In many variants of latest Russian equipment you can see a tendency to save costs. T-72b3 is an upgrade of T72B, t80bvm us an upgrade of t80bv. They can't just throw away hundreds if not thousands of su25, it's not economical
@@sydney4814good luck spotting shit without a thermal pod, which the SU24 doesn't get. Mavericks have a 23KM launch range, which is the edge of the map. And the A10C gets twice as many of them. Your point?
Such a shame that the premium a-10 is the best variant just because of its BR and then on top of that it gets guided bombs and the late version doesn't. What's going on?!
Gaijin have gone on record to say they do not provide political support to anyone anywhere. As a Brit main that's maxxed the entire tree on FTP I noticed Russia gets all the best toys first, even military leaks on the actual (and often better) specs of other nations weaponry doesn't always mean it'll be implemented, the recent spall liners controversy is just one of the more recent examples in a huge back catalogue of proven bias.
The A-10A late doesnt get GBU's, primarily becsuse it never used em. It was only a thing on the early hogs. Were never given to the lates becuase the AF didnt see a need for em due to how slow the A-10 is
The GBUs were always very difficult to use on A-10, because it's a slow POS, and now they're not releasable above mach anyways. GBU-8 is pretty useless nowadays.
"Best" version but it's still dogshit. It's also artificially limited just like the "Late" variant. It is nigh unusable in most circumstances unless the enemy team meets very specific aspects of "incompetent"
@@Frost_x_NB Would still be handy and enough for roof/side/rear armor, the 41mm pen on the SAP-HE is just a little low, as well as maybe some of the more medium armored vehicles (IFVs mostly) that exist.
@@Wotplaya4 Honestly I see these mainly as useful against AA with super weak armor. Come over a ridge after prefiring a couple, then guide them in as you pop over the ridge. If you time it right, you can hit AA as soon as you come over the ridge; kinda neat, but hard to do right.
where it SHOULD be... the fact that if you play 10.7 against Russia, you reliably go against Pantsirs ON TOP of facing Strela/Tunguska is so exhausting.
@@sydney4814 Should be even higher than that. It literally outranges every aircraft but it's own. Russia also is able to outrange everyone else's SPAA. All of their tanks need to be moved up.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 Favorite thing about how outranged it is is that it's made 90% of games "Russian CAS dominates everything because nobody spawns CAS as there's no way your weapons can work against Pantsir" (staring at even if you DO kill one, they just respawn with backup to revenge kill, and if you get that they then just hop into under-BR'd Strela as it being 10.3 means that at top tier it gets 1/3 spawncost reduction...)
@@sydney4814 Yup sounds about right, once had a bomb drop on a pantsir and he J'ed out before it could explode, it had a 0.5 fuse... And then he respawned in the pantsir, I did not even try and evade I flat out just gave up. Whats the point of spawning CAS to help your time when you have to worry about this thing just oppressing air, it makes it so hard to breath fighting against Russia. Its downright toxic at this point considering everyone else's SPAA can hardly do the same.
Knocking out both rudder and elevator because they're part of the same system is wild. Considering they use different control cables to actuate either, they should be seperate models
Three things that might help the A-10C. As well as all CAS planes. 1 the A-10 and other ground strike aircraft should have ground target belts with reduced sp cost ( 230 sp seems silly maybe 50 sp). 2 CAS should take off from their airfield or air spawn more than 50 km out just so they can’t shoot others or get shot down immediately. And three better damage modeling the A-10 shouldn’t die due to control loss from the tail when 1 of the two control systems are damaged.
Gaijin is doing a poll to let people decide what to do with the A-10C, one of which is to switch ground and air BR’s so that it has a br of 11.3 in ground battles so it would avoid the pantsir
11.3 wont avoid the pantsir The late variant is 10.7 and thats still enough to get uptiered to 11.7 nearly every match They need to decompress top tier this is just getting ridiculous now
It will be DOA; but people will still play it. The aircraft doesn't have the crowd of people that play it because it's a META aircraft. People play it because they love the plane.
Key thing to remember. The A-10’s design and intended usage in the real world. They weren’t meant to fly without air and ground superiority. So then the question is asked how do you balance this aircraft in a video game? Not sure.
A10's were designed yes to fly in a theater where you control the air but ground superiority not so much they designed it so it could go into contested areas on the Frontline and come out in one piece that's why the real thing is built like a brick shit house, and considered a tank. People tend to forget just because the abrams and other aircraft fought against insurgents does not mean they were designed for that kind of warfare, and only developed with that warfare in mind.
"Let them tank SABOT rounds." Sir, are you trolling? I get it "flying tank" and all, but it was always a meme. Aircraft getting hit with almost ANYTHING means it will limp back to base with every second pilot fighting against his better judgment to bail out, and You want them to eat AT rounds?
The A10 is an 8.7 plane with 10.7 missiles. They need to either dramatically lower the GRB rank and get rid of the 9L's or just accept that it gets to kill people that get near it
Most definitely DOA, like you said its a slow aircraft with a damage model of a cardboard box and subpar weapons compared to its soviet counterpart. Not to mention the pantsir which is blatantly over powerd and shouldnt have been added in the first place.
Honestly im to dodging pantsirs and fox 3s with my A10 already so tbh this makes no difference the laser rockets are gonna be a great tool for spaa murder too
Being an absolute fan of the A-10As in War Thunder and A-10C in DCS, I'm really excited for the C coming to War Thunder. I have been playing Air RB in it in the Dev Server in the A-10C, experimenting with different loadouts currently available to determine the best loadout for most effective on ground while still being maneuverable in case of the need to defend against an enemy. I have used the A Late more than the Early and I love the D mavs more because of the IR. With TV, 8/10 I end up locking the ground. Sure the zoom is not great on the D Mav, but it can lock a target more effectively and further away than a A or a B Mav on a sunny day. Now with the A-10C with the Targeting Pod and Laser Hydras and D Mavs, I can zoom so much further in the Pod and ripple off the Mavs more effectively. plus the the sheet says 5km range on the Hydras but I have been able to effectively hit targets with Laser Hydras from 7-8km away. BR wise I feel it's fine where it's at at 11.3(Air) and 12.0(Ground) and IF they ever introduce the ECM Pod in the future, I'm sure would get an all around increase in BR which I would not mind for at all which would probably be 11.7-12.0(Air) 12.3-12.7(Ground). With all the defense abilities it has with the HMD and AIM-9M combo as well as the 360 degree MAW system. I'm more confident in the A-10C than the A.
Sad part is that the new f111, would be better for cas in a way due to the higher speed, and a solid payload of gbu's, would rather have seen the u.s. finally get the fire and forget hellfires on the choppers, hope they come up with a way to make it a bit more lethal if they want a solid reception, I guess we will see
I shot an A10 down yesterday with dm53 from leopard 2a7 as he was coming straight at me, I hit him right through the pilot and both wings popped off as if they were ejected. Kinda silly the A 10 is shot down so easy.
People will use "amount of bombs/missles" as reasoning that it will be fine completely disregarding you kinda need to be alive in order to drop them, i cant wait to see the sp cost. The thing is so fkn slow if a pantsir sees you its over. No amount of bombs will help unless it has some wild ass pantsir counter measures. Cant do anything against a strela so your forced to stay long range when all of our long range ordinance which are mavs is countered by pantsir and itos . Maybe the missiles are gonna be good to use like you said? Quick rise up somehow find pantsir before it finds you which is almost impossible since its radar goes through trees and mountains somewhat, then fire the missiles and peel off somehow managing to dodge its light speed missile and or guns. Disregarding all other cas/cap spawned while you play hide and seek with 1 pantsir for 5 minutes. High hopes but im expecting it to be trash, well see
One of the issues with TV guided mavericks is they have terrible maneuverability and the moment someone pops smoke or gets behind something and breaks the lock, the maverick explodes. The C with be DOA unless BRs change.
@@Apex_warthunder yeeeeep.... trying to understand the justification for it when they make the Pantsir cost 70SP.... better in literally EVERY way, yet somehow is cheaper to spawn (and the respawn scales to SPAA respawn cost rather than MBT spawn cost)
A-10 is just not a plane for war thunder's GRB. It's biggest upside is it's missiles, and that's about it. I feel like launching AGM-65s with a targeting pod is the main thing this aircraft will be able to do.
Yeah, you use the missiles to deal with anti-air. And when the airspace is clear, you go in with guns. That's what I do with the A-10A Early. I'll usually drop 10 kills in it.
@@The_Gaming_Hamster because of the slow speed the most range you're gonna get with the JDAMs is 5 km in a perfect scenario. Again, only good thing A-10 has is the mavericks.
The maverick irl on a clear day at high altitude can launch and hit targets out to 22km away 12 miles. Or 13km away at medium altitude. The fact you can't even lock a target in game until your around 4km out is absurd. Should be as long range as the one on the su25. Litterally should be 16km in game the fact the warhead is either a 300 pound he delayed fuse penetration munition or a 125 pound shaped charge that does more damage than a hellfire.... maverick should still do more damage in game than it currently does. The 300 pound version should still be enough to kill most targets on a near miss like the su25 version. I understand they can't model it like it is in real life. It's a game but for freaks sake at least model it to be on par with its counterpart for balancing sakes. Games need balance and US tree is broken. Win rates prove there is room to improve balance. I mostly play Japan tree and I'm glad I don't have to deal with the US tree often. You know it's a problem when your paired with a us team and automatically assume your going to lose and your right 80% of the time.
thb A10C might be DOA however we'll see how it'll perform if it goes down into br to like even 11.3 (ye never) than it actually might be good but from the lack of speed and actually good long range missiles at 11.7 it will definitely suffer, and all the grinding ppl for all the equipment will be mostly free kills in ARB, if they want so much "balance" they better change top tier Ground BR,s again and put panstir's and tunguska's higher in br so overall there would be higher br like 12.7 than just everything stops on 11.7
They need to add that as an 8.7-9.0 premium heli and the RAH-66 Comanche as a 10.3-10.7 premium since USA is currently the only nation with no good heli premiums let alone any below 11.3 that aren't marketplace or limited time. Those would be excellent candidates and should be premiums anyway since they're unique prototypes too. Unfortunately the Cheyenne only got TOWs though which are pretty shit now. They missed the opportunity to make the Super Cobra a 10.7 premium.
Don't like the pantsir? Take a tank to counter it :) Planes are already broken in ground especially the F-16, no need to make them even better. Plane users be like: "jUsT pLaY sPaS bRo" Also plane users be like: "reeeeee pantsir to strong"
if you want a laugh, think of it like this; Pantsir is the SPAA that the Su-25 with 40km missiles *SHOULD* face, but because they're both Russian, it means Russia has the poison and the antidote together while the rest of the game just withers and dies from that overpowered 1-2 punch. (not including the whole "Ka-52/Mi-28MN having Vikhirs that are so OP there's borderline nothing you can do against them if you're flying slower than 1300kph)
@@JustinPlaysTV also pretty sure these are getting added to the harrier besides the a-10 just gajin hasnt updated alot of the aircraft weaponry in the dev server yet but yea the A-10c is DOA for GRB, would rather play the new f-111f/harrier/tomcat B for ground. Air it might be a bit of a meme with the ground radar/multipathing that you can go do the funni turn fight with some f4's and shove 4 9m's at them but other than that...
I'm not sure how this bus is supposed to fight against 2S6 not to mention Pantsir. 2S6 can lock me from 14km and has proper range of 11km or even 12km. And I was in F-16 or F-5 (Japanese) which are really nimble and had hard time. I had to fight from 15 kms where mavericks have no range. Idk russian bias is real
Everything USA is getting so far next patch is DOA. Not only is the normal A-10 shit, this one is a higher BR while having more equipment that is actually more unusable on that airframe. The only thing it will be able to use is Mavericks but itll still struggle to get real range out of them let alone even remotely survive a single SPAA or Plane. Itll be a little better if they end up having fixed Paveway and Skipper bombs this update but i doubt it. The only thing usable on the premium harrier will be 4 mavericks yet will cost the same as a supersonic with 4 of them which is insane. On top of that Russia is getting a bunch of broken OP shit they dont need.
2 things; 1. the gun is how it should be, irl it sucks ass vs any sort of soviet mbt, (and likely nato mbts) its just the facts of reality that cannon cas just isnt fantastic, i suppose what they could do is increase the post pen damage on the gun so a penning shot matters more? 2. the A-10 should not be able to tank a direct tank round, its more that the SU-25/7 should also not be able to do that aswell.
@@aldousfoxlyirl apkws is safer significantly cheaper than the amount of spent ammunition and can be placed on significantly cheaper platforms, op was completely correct cannon CAS is abysmal and dated.
honestly in my opinion this isn't a problem that can be fixed by buffing the a-10. The a-10 was never meant to face pure threats like a pantsir as a job like that would probably be carried out by a aircraft that is more capable of sead like an f-18 armed with anti radiation missiles. I think its also important to point out that the pantsir is extremely modern, way more modern than any American plane and thus its capabilities are as well. Realistically the best chance is a shit ton of br decompression, adding a 13.0 for ground rb maybe even 13.3-13.7 and having the pantsir at the max br and having other spaa like the it0 one br lower and having the a-10c at the lower end of this bracket or not in the bracket at all. Also the addition of anti radiation missiles and a big ass nerf to the kh-38ml.
if you know how to use the mavericks 65b from the A-10A you can launch them from 9km easily and get a lock on moving vehicles you dont need to get that close to your targets
Well... I hoped a10c would recieve better tgp than litening 2 (maybe even sniper pod) to compensate for its speed. Secondly idk how gps will work on live server but i have seen people do and heard that u can lob gps bombs trough hills in both DCS and irl (dont hurt me for dcs plz lmao) combine that with slow a10 i think it wont be that bad cuz its easier to do it slower rather than in supersonic aircraft. We will see how it will work on live server. After playing many matches on top tier with a10a late i dont think it will that DOA aircraft i m quite comfortable playing a10a on toptier its like fast helicopter with agms. The only thing that i miss the most is tgp. I have died many times cuz i was trying to see one enemy P.S. they could also add maybe l-jdam or ecm pods (im not sure if they would work) only for it so it would be like a worth playing aircraft atleast
I forgor about heat apkws. Its such dirty thing that gayjin the very realistic game they make didnt add heat apkws. They are like jdam kit but for EVERY hydra rocket so theres no excuse for not adding it other than their russian ego lmao
Since Gaijin be adding prototypes now I want to see the SU-47 Berkut even though I don’t fly planes or what about the YF-22? Or the actual F-22 it’s been around for like over a decade I’m sure they can find just enough information to implement it
Well i just wished my Tornado got its JDAMS too since they already aknowledge the lack of speed in it because otherwise it would break the game engine somehow....
When ever I use the harrier gr7 I will always launch agm's from around 9km. The only problem I have is that the maps aren't big enough for me to outrange pantsir's. In sim I can launch them max 16km but in GRB I can only go 10 km before I'm out of the map. Tornado gr1 at high altitude can launch PGM's up to 50km
in terms of durability and suvivability, the su25 is shifted closer to the actual real life counterpart performance. the a10 in game i do not think is shifted close to its IRL durability at all. Im a russian main, and i still get pissed when an a10 goes down as fast as it does. it deserves some more durability and survivability definitely. (just to note, the su25 has double the amount of armour that the a10 has. and dont forget that the a10 is older as an aircraft. flight performance obviously would vary between the two)
My suggestion to fix all of this is simple add new anti air to USA and Germany something equivalent to pantsir or better or give the modern ammo tht usa uses
They never fixed the redundant elevator controls that are modeled but do not work. When they updated the damage models for the su25 and a10a they continued to leave out the redundant tail controls for the a10. This is a huge killer for the a10, when the tail goes it’s over.
I think if the A10C got JDAM-ERs are SDB it would be able to take anit air from possibly 20km away were if a f16C got the JDAM-ER it could take out anti air from at least 72km away !!
Is it to much to ask for gamemodes for air rb ground pound. Something like air assault arcade. Air ground assault Realistic Vehicle requirements: 1.7-13.7 Mission: Operation broken arrow has been called, and a fob needs help. 20 waves of light-heavy vehicles and helicopters are trying to destroy it. Stop them at all cost.
There isn’t much of a point using the A-10C when you have the AV-8B+. US tree has a lot of good CAS options at the high tiers that are pretty easy to dunk on Pantsirs with. Making the A-10 tankier probably won’t make any difference. It’s better to not get hit in the first place. After the Stinger buff I consider the 10.0 Su-25 to be dogshit. You always have to be in range of SAMs to do any CAS.
Yep unfortunately I am in the same boat now I live my strike aircraft and I’m somewhat proficient In flying them but these later tier ones are for a struggle especially in air the likes of the A-10s l, Su-25s, super etendard and the A-7s are slow even clean compared to what they are facing amd fly alongside them you go load em up with weapons and you are always the last to get to bases compared to your phantoms, your A-5Cs, F-5s etc amd anyone who decides to load up their J-35 or AV-8s with rockets or bombs, so then all the bases get smoked then your team gets smoked and your sitting out the side of the map in your slow ass striker waiting for the bases to respawn with their stupid 5 minute timer, you could drop on the ground targets but that’ll get you chump change at best meanwhile you got a bunch of SuperSonics hunting your big booty
5:30 not true, Mavericks can lock onto from 18-20 km away, I had taken down Pantsirs with my F-16C by flying to 25 km and 5-6km altitude, turning back and burning to go mach 1 to 1.3 and fire them at 18km but the problem is that they're so slow, it takes 1 to 1.5 minutes for them to reach their target and any competent Pantsir player can easily take them down in this time if they're paying attention.
@@kavvy1188 Depends on which direction, the sides are usually smaller than the forward/back limits. Some are 15-18 km, others 25-30km. I did that on El Alamein.
@@thegodofyesses8722 I don't know about the G's but I see D variants on F-16C with Litening II targeting pod and do usually lock, sometimes they lock nearby dead tanks, just need to unlock and try locking again.
@@thegodofyesses8722 That shouldn't be the case, ar eyou sure it's the Gs you are using? D and Gs should have much improved tracking ranges over the earlier models, there are only 3 tiers essentially: AGM-65A ~3km track range, 65B/H ~6km track range, and 65D/G ~12km track range. Never had it not track really.
Honestly, I don’t see much of an upgrade from the A-10A Late (10.7) vs the A-10C in game. I think the A should be moved down to 10.3 and the C should be 10.7. Sure you can get powered against the crazy spaa but you won’t get them every game.
ive seen multiple su-25's slapped out the sky over ukraine with single stingers... this game 100% has a bias.. Also the pantsir in real life actually sucks... russia has lost 17 of them and it has not scored one air to air kill in this entire war
US ATGMs have always played second fiddle to soviet ones like the Vihkr and Kh-38s. No surprise that Mavericks continue to be dogshit. Balance only works one way.
Well, it's not exactly a surprise that the A-10 is what it IS in game. It's a Russian made game any way you slice it. Just sample the T-series tanks of the Russian tech trees and the SP SAMs for the same and then go try the other NATO countries. After being with this game about a decade now this is just what I'm finding.
D can lock from 8km away. And can't 10C carry a targeting pod, which should technically allow for acquisition at longer ranges? But yeah they're slow in comparison. Also I disagree about the D, thermal optics while low res, it allows you to spot targets so much easier, and fire from much farther way.
@@30LayersOfKevlar in theory, but that is like..... good luck getting a kill from 9km+ with that when by the time of impact they're traveling at 180m/s or less.... literally just driving 50 meters in the final stage of its approach will make the missile just slam into the ground.
Not really. It was made for very contested airspace and battlefields. The past 20 years were just counter insurgency so they grew in that role and how most of us know and love it. But IRL you won't have ADA threats just scanning their radars near the front since HARMs are a thing. Sure they are a large theat but they definitely are hunted down. Look at the air war during desert storm first things to go are radars and aa sites
@@mattmaurer2053it was made for contested battlefields - with the expectation that most if not all of them would be shot down within two weeks of a cold war gone hot
Su 25 is gaijin's favorite child and the A-10 is the middle child
Russian bias in action
@@ilyassakhanov6438perhaps ask Russia why they build so many damn variants of it then while A-10 doesn’t have as much
No, A-10 is the black sheep that get's nerfed/up BR'ed whenever Gaijin is mad
@@Bobspineable no need to ask. In many variants of latest Russian equipment you can see a tendency to save costs. T-72b3 is an upgrade of T72B, t80bvm us an upgrade of t80bv. They can't just throw away hundreds if not thousands of su25, it's not economical
no its not even the Middle child at this point... its an Adopted Child you get to get make extra Money.!
Now watch Gaijin add ANOTHER Su-25 variant after this, like the Su-25KM.
Don't give Gaijin any ideas!
They're waaay ahead of you... they're adding a supersonic with 40km launch range FoF missiles because apparently Su-25 with them wasn't OP enough.
@@sydney4814good luck spotting shit without a thermal pod, which the SU24 doesn't get.
Mavericks have a 23KM launch range, which is the edge of the map. And the A10C gets twice as many of them.
Your point?
Just to add to your cry, the su 25sm3 has the capacity to install a radar underneath like the su39 and install 2x R-77
@@michaels9739 you ever used a maverick in an actual match? Good luck with a 23km shot, you’re gonna need it
Such a shame that the premium a-10 is the best variant just because of its BR and then on top of that it gets guided bombs and the late version doesn't. What's going on?!
Gaijin have gone on record to say they do not provide political support to anyone anywhere. As a Brit main that's maxxed the entire tree on FTP I noticed Russia gets all the best toys first, even military leaks on the actual (and often better) specs of other nations weaponry doesn't always mean it'll be implemented, the recent spall liners controversy is just one of the more recent examples in a huge back catalogue of proven bias.
The A-10A late doesnt get GBU's, primarily becsuse it never used em. It was only a thing on the early hogs. Were never given to the lates becuase the AF didnt see a need for em due to how slow the A-10 is
The GBUs were always very difficult to use on A-10, because it's a slow POS, and now they're not releasable above mach anyways. GBU-8 is pretty useless nowadays.
"Best" version but it's still dogshit. It's also artificially limited just like the "Late" variant. It is nigh unusable in most circumstances unless the enemy team meets very specific aspects of "incompetent"
Still no laser guided hydra
The HEAT APKWS would be a welcome addition.
Not enough pen tho.
@@Frost_x_NB Would still be handy and enough for roof/side/rear armor, the 41mm pen on the SAP-HE is just a little low, as well as maybe some of the more medium armored vehicles (IFVs mostly) that exist.
AH-64A Peten for USA still missing APKWS IIs...
@@Wotplaya4 Honestly I see these mainly as useful against AA with super weak armor. Come over a ridge after prefiring a couple, then guide them in as you pop over the ridge. If you time it right, you can hit AA as soon as you come over the ridge; kinda neat, but hard to do right.
Ist that like 5km range only?
Tbh, all of those problems would all be solved if the pantsir gets send to 12.7
where it SHOULD be... the fact that if you play 10.7 against Russia, you reliably go against Pantsirs ON TOP of facing Strela/Tunguska is so exhausting.
@@sydney4814 Should be even higher than that. It literally outranges every aircraft but it's own. Russia also is able to outrange everyone else's SPAA. All of their tanks need to be moved up.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 Favorite thing about how outranged it is is that it's made 90% of games "Russian CAS dominates everything because nobody spawns CAS as there's no way your weapons can work against Pantsir" (staring at even if you DO kill one, they just respawn with backup to revenge kill, and if you get that they then just hop into under-BR'd Strela as it being 10.3 means that at top tier it gets 1/3 spawncost reduction...)
@@sydney4814 Yup sounds about right, once had a bomb drop on a pantsir and he J'ed out before it could explode, it had a 0.5 fuse...
And then he respawned in the pantsir, I did not even try and evade I flat out just gave up. Whats the point of spawning CAS to help your time when you have to worry about this thing just oppressing air, it makes it so hard to breath fighting against Russia. Its downright toxic at this point considering everyone else's SPAA can hardly do the same.
13.7
Irl br lol
The damage models for the A-10/Su-25 just need to be a lot closer than they currently are...
Gaijin NEEDS to implement redundant control surfaces for every aircraft that has them
Knocking out both rudder and elevator because they're part of the same system is wild. Considering they use different control cables to actuate either, they should be seperate models
Three things that might help the A-10C. As well as all CAS planes. 1 the A-10 and other ground strike aircraft should have ground target belts with reduced sp cost ( 230 sp seems silly maybe 50 sp). 2 CAS should take off from their airfield or air spawn more than 50 km out just so they can’t shoot others or get shot down immediately. And three better damage modeling the A-10 shouldn’t die due to control loss from the tail when 1 of the two control systems are damaged.
Gaijin is doing a poll to let people decide what to do with the A-10C, one of which is to switch ground and air BR’s so that it has a br of 11.3 in ground battles so it would avoid the pantsir
11.3 wont avoid the pantsir
The late variant is 10.7 and thats still enough to get uptiered to 11.7 nearly every match
They need to decompress top tier this is just getting ridiculous now
Hunter gonna destroy s1 with the a10c
It will be DOA; but people will still play it.
The aircraft doesn't have the crowd of people that play it because it's a META aircraft.
People play it because they love the plane.
Correct, we are just going to have to make work like we do always
Yee haww cowboy!
Key thing to remember. The A-10’s design and intended usage in the real world. They weren’t meant to fly without air and ground superiority. So then the question is asked how do you balance this aircraft in a video game? Not sure.
A10's were designed yes to fly in a theater where you control the air but ground superiority not so much they designed it so it could go into contested areas on the Frontline and come out in one piece that's why the real thing is built like a brick shit house, and considered a tank. People tend to forget just because the abrams and other aircraft fought against insurgents does not mean they were designed for that kind of warfare, and only developed with that warfare in mind.
There is no such thing as coming ''too late'' or ''too early'' to the game, it is the horrific BR compression that ruins the entire gameplay.
"Let them tank SABOT rounds." Sir, are you trolling? I get it "flying tank" and all, but it was always a meme. Aircraft getting hit with almost ANYTHING means it will limp back to base with every second pilot fighting against his better judgment to bail out, and You want them to eat AT rounds?
I’m really looking forward to this thing in sim.
Me too, hmd is gonna be so cool
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The IR mavericks have a 8-10 km reliable lock range. Speed is still an issue though
The A10 is an 8.7 plane with 10.7 missiles. They need to either dramatically lower the GRB rank and get rid of the 9L's or just accept that it gets to kill people that get near it
Most definitely DOA, like you said its a slow aircraft with a damage model of a cardboard box and subpar weapons compared to its soviet counterpart. Not to mention the pantsir which is blatantly over powerd and shouldnt have been added in the first place.
lmao imma love farming a10c's with my talisman pantsir
@@BinHandler12 for the first couple weeks maybe and then you'll never see them again most likely
Honestly im to dodging pantsirs and fox 3s with my A10 already so tbh this makes no difference the laser rockets are gonna be a great tool for spaa murder too
If it faces the pantsir, it's DOA. There is nothing else to be said.
I don’t care if the Hog is doa. It’s my beloved favorite plane since my childhood
toptier ground would be better if toptker tansk were at 13.7
Honestly we need like a 0.3 br decompression
Being an absolute fan of the A-10As in War Thunder and A-10C in DCS, I'm really excited for the C coming to War Thunder. I have been playing Air RB in it in the Dev Server in the A-10C, experimenting with different loadouts currently available to determine the best loadout for most effective on ground while still being maneuverable in case of the need to defend against an enemy. I have used the A Late more than the Early and I love the D mavs more because of the IR. With TV, 8/10 I end up locking the ground. Sure the zoom is not great on the D Mav, but it can lock a target more effectively and further away than a A or a B Mav on a sunny day. Now with the A-10C with the Targeting Pod and Laser Hydras and D Mavs, I can zoom so much further in the Pod and ripple off the Mavs more effectively. plus the the sheet says 5km range on the Hydras but I have been able to effectively hit targets with Laser Hydras from 7-8km away. BR wise I feel it's fine where it's at at 11.3(Air) and 12.0(Ground) and IF they ever introduce the ECM Pod in the future, I'm sure would get an all around increase in BR which I would not mind for at all which would probably be 11.7-12.0(Air) 12.3-12.7(Ground). With all the defense abilities it has with the HMD and AIM-9M combo as well as the 360 degree MAW system. I'm more confident in the A-10C than the A.
As someone that loves the A-10 and has played well over 1000 games in it I’m excited even though it will be bad
Don’t forget the 2S38s and Begleitpanzers
Sad part is that the new f111, would be better for cas in a way due to the higher speed, and a solid payload of gbu's, would rather have seen the u.s. finally get the fire and forget hellfires on the choppers, hope they come up with a way to make it a bit more lethal if they want a solid reception, I guess we will see
I shot an A10 down yesterday with dm53 from leopard 2a7 as he was coming straight at me, I hit him right through the pilot and both wings popped off as if they were ejected. Kinda silly the A 10 is shot down so easy.
me when the centermass 120mm cannon round destroys the plane
People will use "amount of bombs/missles" as reasoning that it will be fine completely disregarding you kinda need to be alive in order to drop them, i cant wait to see the sp cost. The thing is so fkn slow if a pantsir sees you its over. No amount of bombs will help unless it has some wild ass pantsir counter measures. Cant do anything against a strela so your forced to stay long range when all of our long range ordinance which are mavs is countered by pantsir and itos . Maybe the missiles are gonna be good to use like you said? Quick rise up somehow find pantsir before it finds you which is almost impossible since its radar goes through trees and mountains somewhat, then fire the missiles and peel off somehow managing to dodge its light speed missile and or guns. Disregarding all other cas/cap spawned while you play hide and seek with 1 pantsir for 5 minutes. High hopes but im expecting it to be trash, well see
Ytp strelas irl can easily be flared lmfao cringe
One of the issues with TV guided mavericks is they have terrible maneuverability and the moment someone pops smoke or gets behind something and breaks the lock, the maverick explodes. The C with be DOA unless BRs change.
Its pretty much doa
Also the adats is being classified as an AA BUTTTTT will retain its increased sp cost
What the hell
classic gaijin move, they really suck
@@Apex_warthunder yeeeeep.... trying to understand the justification for it when they make the Pantsir cost 70SP.... better in literally EVERY way, yet somehow is cheaper to spawn (and the respawn scales to SPAA respawn cost rather than MBT spawn cost)
@@sydney4814 yeah, its insane how we let them get away with it
A-10 is just not a plane for war thunder's GRB. It's biggest upside is it's missiles, and that's about it. I feel like launching AGM-65s with a targeting pod is the main thing this aircraft will be able to do.
Yeah, you use the missiles to deal with anti-air. And when the airspace is clear, you go in with guns. That's what I do with the A-10A Early. I'll usually drop 10 kills in it.
Hopefully it will get the JDAMs like it did IRL, that would make it a good option for cap points and SPAA hiding in spawn
@@The_Gaming_Hamster because of the slow speed the most range you're gonna get with the JDAMs is 5 km in a perfect scenario. Again, only good thing A-10 has is the mavericks.
With the F-111F being added at the same time, the A-10C is DOA.
im not entirely sure about this but im pretty sure in real life the A10 uses depleted uranium rounds belts which i dont think are in game
The maverick irl on a clear day at high altitude can launch and hit targets out to 22km away 12 miles. Or 13km away at medium altitude. The fact you can't even lock a target in game until your around 4km out is absurd. Should be as long range as the one on the su25. Litterally should be 16km in game the fact the warhead is either a 300 pound he delayed fuse penetration munition or a 125 pound shaped charge that does more damage than a hellfire.... maverick should still do more damage in game than it currently does. The 300 pound version should still be enough to kill most targets on a near miss like the su25 version. I understand they can't model it like it is in real life. It's a game but for freaks sake at least model it to be on par with its counterpart for balancing sakes. Games need balance and US tree is broken. Win rates prove there is room to improve balance. I mostly play Japan tree and I'm glad I don't have to deal with the US tree often. You know it's a problem when your paired with a us team and automatically assume your going to lose and your right 80% of the time.
This is going to be a gambler’s favorite plane. Either you kill 8 people or you die instantly, no in between..
All i want is a new top tier US SPAA to counter enemy CAS that way i could atleast protect my CAS from enemy jets and vice versa
Watch them take it way because of this video.
You think they will ever fix ATGMS for America? they either fall short or they miss completely
thb A10C might be DOA however we'll see how it'll perform if it goes down into br to like even 11.3 (ye never) than it actually might be good but from the lack of speed and actually good long range missiles at 11.7 it will definitely suffer, and all the grinding ppl for all the equipment will be mostly free kills in ARB, if they want so much "balance" they better change top tier Ground BR,s again and put panstir's and tunguska's higher in br so overall there would be higher br like 12.7 than just everything stops on 11.7
All I want is for Gaijin to just give us the AH-56 Cheyenne, and I'll be happy.
Same! That thing is so cool.
The RAH-66 Comanche would be a great event helicopter!
@@alvarovillatoro5187 a test bed for early stealth in-game would be nice
They need to add that as an 8.7-9.0 premium heli and the RAH-66 Comanche as a 10.3-10.7 premium since USA is currently the only nation with no good heli premiums let alone any below 11.3 that aren't marketplace or limited time. Those would be excellent candidates and should be premiums anyway since they're unique prototypes too.
Unfortunately the Cheyenne only got TOWs though which are pretty shit now.
They missed the opportunity to make the Super Cobra a 10.7 premium.
@@alvarovillatoro5187event vehicles are bad. It's better if it's a premium whether it be purchased or an event premium.
if it wasnt for the pantsir it would be a great AGM65 slinger
If a-10c is 12.0 ground br then the pantsir-s1 need to be moved to 13.7. That aa is destroy cas for every nation but Russia.
Yeah pantsir is the most unbalanced thing at top tier. I think people don’t realize how much of an advantage you have with them on your team
Don't like the pantsir? Take a tank to counter it :)
Planes are already broken in ground especially the F-16, no need to make them even better.
Plane users be like: "jUsT pLaY sPaS bRo"
Also plane users be like: "reeeeee pantsir to strong"
@@BlackWolf9988 bro is slow
if you want a laugh, think of it like this; Pantsir is the SPAA that the Su-25 with 40km missiles *SHOULD* face, but because they're both Russian, it means Russia has the poison and the antidote together while the rest of the game just withers and dies from that overpowered 1-2 punch. (not including the whole "Ka-52/Mi-28MN having Vikhirs that are so OP there's borderline nothing you can do against them if you're flying slower than 1300kph)
@@sydney4814 And people still dont think russian bias is real XD
a10c should've been out around/before the F15A
Dude, those rockets you mentioned (The AGR-20B) have been in the game for a while now.
With helicopters, and for a single fixed wing. Though I forget which one..
@JustinPlaysTV oh I see, they just added it to this and more, gotcha.
@@JustinPlaysTV also pretty sure these are getting added to the harrier besides the a-10 just gajin hasnt updated alot of the aircraft weaponry in the dev server yet but yea the A-10c is DOA for GRB, would rather play the new f-111f/harrier/tomcat B for ground. Air it might be a bit of a meme with the ground radar/multipathing that you can go do the funni turn fight with some f4's and shove 4 9m's at them but other than that...
In my opinion it has to be 11.3 for ground to even have the chance at being a good aircraft
I'm not sure how this bus is supposed to fight against 2S6 not to mention Pantsir. 2S6 can lock me from 14km and has proper range of 11km or even 12km. And I was in F-16 or F-5 (Japanese) which are really nimble and had hard time. I had to fight from 15 kms where mavericks have no range. Idk russian bias is real
Everything USA is getting so far next patch is DOA. Not only is the normal A-10 shit, this one is a higher BR while having more equipment that is actually more unusable on that airframe. The only thing it will be able to use is Mavericks but itll still struggle to get real range out of them let alone even remotely survive a single SPAA or Plane.
Itll be a little better if they end up having fixed Paveway and Skipper bombs this update but i doubt it.
The only thing usable on the premium harrier will be 4 mavericks yet will cost the same as a supersonic with 4 of them which is insane.
On top of that Russia is getting a bunch of broken OP shit they dont need.
Can we agree that its so ridiculous that a vehicle can even be added late in a game where vehicles should be fun years after their release...
2 things;
1. the gun is how it should be, irl it sucks ass vs any sort of soviet mbt, (and likely nato mbts) its just the facts of reality that cannon cas just isnt fantastic, i suppose what they could do is increase the post pen damage on the gun so a penning shot matters more?
2. the A-10 should not be able to tank a direct tank round, its more that the SU-25/7 should also not be able to do that aswell.
But in reality you can't destroy a tank with that gun you can break the tracks and the gun and the engine but it can't penetrate frontally
the only reason why the gun works better in WT compared to irl is because in WT you can get much closer and not have nearly as much spread.
IRL damaging the track & engine & frying all the optics would probably be a mission kill. Just one of those things that doesn't translate to a game
@@aldousfoxlyirl apkws is safer significantly cheaper than the amount of spent ammunition and can be placed on significantly cheaper platforms, op was completely correct cannon CAS is abysmal and dated.
Ytp irl its du rounds enter a vehicle and explode lmfao
No sir this things gonna smack I think
Gaijin is 100% a pro Russian company enforcing their beliefs in how they make their game.
I mean ED does the same...just the other way around
Needs a ECM pod an a lower BR
honestly in my opinion this isn't a problem that can be fixed by buffing the a-10. The a-10 was never meant to face pure threats like a pantsir as a job like that would probably be carried out by a aircraft that is more capable of sead like an f-18 armed with anti radiation missiles. I think its also important to point out that the pantsir is extremely modern, way more modern than any American plane and thus its capabilities are as well. Realistically the best chance is a shit ton of br decompression, adding a 13.0 for ground rb maybe even 13.3-13.7 and having the pantsir at the max br and having other spaa like the it0 one br lower and having the a-10c at the lower end of this bracket or not in the bracket at all. Also the addition of anti radiation missiles and a big ass nerf to the kh-38ml.
Idk about other mavericks, but the AGM-65Bs can hit a target 9 km away easily.
if you know how to use the mavericks 65b from the A-10A you can launch them from 9km easily and get a lock on moving vehicles you dont need to get that close to your targets
add the HEAT apkws and it might work
Ill gladly keep it going down to a APFSDS if it meant the controls couldn't be fully knocked out by a single round from a rooftop MG....
They also made it so if you want to bring 6 mavericks you can't have the thermal pod. Which I find to be very annoying they would do that.
If it was a Russian plane it wouldn’t have that problem, Gaijin is a pro Russian dev studio after all
It's just a bug
Well... I hoped a10c would recieve better tgp than litening 2 (maybe even sniper pod) to compensate for its speed. Secondly idk how gps will work on live server but i have seen people do and heard that u can lob gps bombs trough hills in both DCS and irl (dont hurt me for dcs plz lmao) combine that with slow a10 i think it wont be that bad cuz its easier to do it slower rather than in supersonic aircraft. We will see how it will work on live server.
After playing many matches on top tier with a10a late i dont think it will that DOA aircraft i m quite comfortable playing a10a on toptier its like fast helicopter with agms. The only thing that i miss the most is tgp. I have died many times cuz i was trying to see one enemy
P.S. they could also add maybe l-jdam or ecm pods (im not sure if they would work) only for it so it would be like a worth playing aircraft atleast
I forgor about heat apkws. Its such dirty thing that gayjin the very realistic game they make didnt add heat apkws. They are like jdam kit but for EVERY hydra rocket so theres no excuse for not adding it other than their russian ego lmao
@@Papadimitryi second this
They need to add the depleted uranium rounds for the A-10
i dont understand how the pantsir (an spaa from 2012) is equivalent to the ADATS an spaa from the mid 1980's
6:39 Well that never happens.
A10A should be at 10.0 and the C variant 10.7
fuck aim-9Ls at 10.0. GJN just needs to take off the all aspects so the a-10 can be balanced
@@thecrab2791skill issue detected
I used the PUMA to shoot down the mavericks that fired from a10 and I thought its was a spec then I locked onto to it and destroyed like 3-4 mavericks
Since Gaijin be adding prototypes now I want to see the SU-47 Berkut even though I don’t fly planes or what about the YF-22? Or the actual F-22 it’s been around for like over a decade I’m sure they can find just enough information to implement it
Well i just wished my Tornado got its JDAMS too since they already aknowledge the lack of speed in it because otherwise it would break the game engine somehow....
When ever I use the harrier gr7 I will always launch agm's from around 9km. The only problem I have is that the maps aren't big enough for me to outrange pantsir's. In sim I can launch them max 16km but in GRB I can only go 10 km before I'm out of the map. Tornado gr1 at high altitude can launch PGM's up to 50km
The fact that the A10 fights the pantsir every match and that the pantsir is crazy overpowered is sad
in terms of durability and suvivability, the su25 is shifted closer to the actual real life counterpart performance. the a10 in game i do not think is shifted close to its IRL durability at all. Im a russian main, and i still get pissed when an a10 goes down as fast as it does. it deserves some more durability and survivability definitely. (just to note, the su25 has double the amount of armour that the a10 has. and dont forget that the a10 is older as an aircraft. flight performance obviously would vary between the two)
Only good thing about Mavericks is that you can take them against as low as 8.3
Hmm.....DOA maybe....CAH definitely
My suggestion to fix all of this is simple add new anti air to USA and Germany something equivalent to pantsir or better or give the modern ammo tht usa uses
Yo Justin, I'm a China main. So how is the JF-17 looking?😏Need some top tier Cas. JH7 ain't cutting it
Jh7 is amazing, wat..
It's nice though, I'm looking forward to it!
@@JustinPlaysTV Yeah but feels a lot like a Tornado
They never fixed the redundant elevator controls that are modeled but do not work. When they updated the damage models for the su25 and a10a they continued to leave out the redundant tail controls for the a10. This is a huge killer for the a10, when the tail goes it’s over.
Are you going to make a video on the JDAMS?
It would be nice
Gaijin need to make it unkillable like 3 missiles just to balance it out cause now it’s a sitting duck (in the sky)
Want to know something the su25 is nothing but a copy of the YA-9
Wish we could get the 8 Mavs on the A10 and cluster munitions
(Correct me if im wrong about the A10C with mavs on dev)
I think if the A10C got JDAM-ERs are SDB it would be able to take anit air from possibly 20km away were if a f16C got the JDAM-ER it could take out anti air from at least 72km away !!
Should have come with the dev server, ngl, instead of p2p chinese jdam-ers lmfao
this is going to be a pain in the ass in sim with 4 aim9m
Xbox warthunder sales are on, might feed the snail by buying the tornado ids, would you recommend it?
Is it to much to ask for gamemodes for air rb ground pound. Something like air assault arcade.
Air ground assault Realistic
Vehicle requirements:
1.7-13.7
Mission:
Operation broken arrow has been called, and a fob needs help.
20 waves of light-heavy vehicles and helicopters are trying to destroy it. Stop them at all cost.
Only add after Russia got one of the best spaa systems in the game i font even play cas at top tier anymore
There isn’t much of a point using the A-10C when you have the AV-8B+.
US tree has a lot of good CAS options at the high tiers that are pretty easy to dunk on Pantsirs with.
Making the A-10 tankier probably won’t make any difference. It’s better to not get hit in the first place. After the Stinger buff I consider the 10.0 Su-25 to be dogshit. You always have to be in range of SAMs to do any CAS.
Yep unfortunately I am in the same boat now I live my strike aircraft and I’m somewhat proficient In flying them but these later tier ones are for a struggle especially in air the likes of the A-10s l, Su-25s, super etendard and the A-7s are slow even clean compared to what they are facing amd fly alongside them you go load em up with weapons and you are always the last to get to bases compared to your phantoms, your A-5Cs, F-5s etc amd anyone who decides to load up their J-35 or AV-8s with rockets or bombs, so then all the bases get smoked then your team gets smoked and your sitting out the side of the map in your slow ass striker waiting for the bases to respawn with their stupid 5 minute timer, you could drop on the ground targets but that’ll get you chump change at best meanwhile you got a bunch of SuperSonics hunting your big booty
5:30 not true, Mavericks can lock onto from 18-20 km away, I had taken down Pantsirs with my F-16C by flying to 25 km and 5-6km altitude, turning back and burning to go mach 1 to 1.3 and fire them at 18km but the problem is that they're so slow, it takes 1 to 1.5 minutes for them to reach their target and any competent Pantsir player can easily take them down in this time if they're paying attention.
which map is that big cause most map dont allow you to go past 15km
thats just downright not true, i struggle to get the AGM65 Gs to lock at 5km let alone 20
@@kavvy1188 Depends on which direction, the sides are usually smaller than the forward/back limits. Some are 15-18 km, others 25-30km. I did that on El Alamein.
@@thegodofyesses8722 I don't know about the G's but I see D variants on F-16C with Litening II targeting pod and do usually lock, sometimes they lock nearby dead tanks, just need to unlock and try locking again.
@@thegodofyesses8722 That shouldn't be the case, ar eyou sure it's the Gs you are using? D and Gs should have much improved tracking ranges over the earlier models, there are only 3 tiers essentially: AGM-65A ~3km track range, 65B/H ~6km track range, and 65D/G ~12km track range. Never had it not track really.
Honestly, I don’t see much of an upgrade from the A-10A Late (10.7) vs the A-10C in game. I think the A should be moved down to 10.3 and the C should be 10.7. Sure you can get powered against the crazy spaa but you won’t get them every game.
I somehow am able to take out the Su-25 with 1 or 2 stinger missiles and they usually hit 9/10 times
Dunna what im doing to yeet them easily.
What we need is SEAD.
Oooo that rhymes
No way to keep it from targeting friendly emitters.
@@DeadRabbit86 if RWR can tell you which RADAR is targeting you, doesn’t it make sense that anti-radiation missiles would carry similar equipment?
What kind of Mavericks are you using were you have to fire them from four in a half I usually fire at 10 or 8
ive seen multiple su-25's slapped out the sky over ukraine with single stingers... this game 100% has a bias.. Also the pantsir in real life actually sucks... russia has lost 17 of them and it has not scored one air to air kill in this entire war
US ATGMs have always played second fiddle to soviet ones like the Vihkr and Kh-38s. No surprise that Mavericks continue to be dogshit. Balance only works one way.
Well Kh38s aint soviet...
Well, it's not exactly a surprise that the A-10 is what it IS in game. It's a Russian made game any way you slice it. Just sample the T-series tanks of the Russian tech trees and the SP SAMs for the same and then go try the other NATO countries. After being with this game about a decade now this is just what I'm finding.
D can lock from 8km away. And can't 10C carry a targeting pod, which should technically allow for acquisition at longer ranges? But yeah they're slow in comparison. Also I disagree about the D, thermal optics while low res, it allows you to spot targets so much easier, and fire from much farther way.
if you get a targeting pod, as of now it locks you to only carrying between 1 and 3 Mavs as it takes up an entire Maverick hardpoint on Dev Server....
@@sydney4814 But can you use the pod with superior optics to lock and launch Mavericks?
@@30LayersOfKevlar in theory, but that is like..... good luck getting a kill from 9km+ with that when by the time of impact they're traveling at 180m/s or less.... literally just driving 50 meters in the final stage of its approach will make the missile just slam into the ground.
not to talk about how it is 12 br in grb and the su25 and su39 is 11.7
Its not early nor late… Gaijin have yet to add more gamemodes where it could thrive
Why use this when I can use the F111f and lob IR guided bombs from 10k+ out?
Yeah but the A-10 IRL only enters the warfare once America has air superiority soo it’s armaments are designed for that purpose
Not really. It was made for very contested airspace and battlefields. The past 20 years were just counter insurgency so they grew in that role and how most of us know and love it. But IRL you won't have ADA threats just scanning their radars near the front since HARMs are a thing. Sure they are a large theat but they definitely are hunted down. Look at the air war during desert storm first things to go are radars and aa sites
@@mattmaurer2053it was made for contested battlefields - with the expectation that most if not all of them would be shot down within two weeks of a cold war gone hot
Lower the BR simple
Mavericks can be thrown at 14miles
A10C should be at 11.0 any higher even if 11.3 its DOA. 11.3 basically is 11.7 GRB.