Spin Recovery| Cessna 172
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- I put an incorrect FAR number in the original edit of this video that I only noticed after uploading. The flight was operated in adherence to 91.155.
SPINS! Only CFI applicants have to do them in the US but I think everyone should be exposed to them at least once.
Key words from this video: 'Nice and easy'... haha
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Never forget the first time I nearly went into a spin with my instructor, his one-liner was perfect.
"You not a big fan of life today?"
Haha, heart rate went through the roof when I felt it going
35 Hours and counting now!
Yep that happened, got around 70-80 hours and we were practicing stalls and it started into a spin and my heart stopped for a second 😂 my instructor said “this isn’t spin trialing!” Sarcastically
Peter J. Carlson he’s saying that he almost stalled and his instructor made a joke to lighten the mood
My squirrely power on stall. Instructor "Gona need a little work on that"
@@Alexius1Komnenos translation "Do you want to die?"
What Peter is talking about is the wrong instructional technique. It is funny and can be used to someone who is equally understanding the joke, yet it should remain a joke. Rather than being scared, you should understand it. Have the best way to instantly avoid stall and spin, have that reaction, proper techniques and also have the skill to recover (it is easy) once it happens. Fear kills. Do not fear. Practice and understand then you can stay calm and collected in upset recoveries.
The first time I accidentally spun a plane as a student, I panicked, screamed, and let go of everything. The C152 self corrected. My instructor looked at me and said, completely deadpan, "You've never spun a plane before..." I looked at him: "IS THAT WHAT THAT WAS???" He smiled: "Get your ass back up there and do it again." And that's all we did for the rest of the lesson. It was fabulous. One of the best lessons I ever had.
Haha that’s so cool
My instructor (somewhat seriously) told me that the way to recover from any sort of a stall in a C152 is to throw your hands up in the air, scream for 3 seconds, then take the controls again.*
*Not recommended at low altitude!
My experience as well.
Where you even aware if you were in the utility category???
Max Leitschuh Yeh I occasionally flew a 150, that thing could really bite particularly with power on & flaps out.
I was trained on the Aristy method "Let go of the stick, because you holding the stick is what made this happen"... lol
I’ll never forget doing this. It changed my life. Every roller coaster since has been a joke. I don’t think I’ve been scared since.
They ended up replacing the interior in the plane I did my spin training in. I guess they weren't fans of the brown accenting I added.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"cause that's a lot of paperwork..." LMAO! Another masterpiece, Lewis.
Cheers mate!
Yeah! My instructor always told me if that there was any inflight emergency, with a spin, I had to chuck my logbook out the window -- so nobody could trace the signatures back to the CFI. LOL!
Why would you jump out of a perfectly good airplane!?
The 172 is actually hard to spin, and will usually recover itself with no input after 1 to 2 turns. 152 less so
Leaving some power helps. We used to do it at around 1500 rpm in the 172. With the power off it just starts picking up speed and the spin becomes a spiral dive.
Spin training was my favourite part of getting my PPL - love watching people's reactions!
???????? pretty sure thats not required....
@@RelativeWind In Canada it is, Spin and Spiral recovery
It should be a part of ppl every where
@@RelativeWind It is in many countries, just not the US I guess. Should be mandatory as far as I'm concerned.
@@gp8209 Believe it was at one point but ended up hurting as much as it helped. In the U.S. I've noticed that there is more stress on stall and spin prevention rather than spin recovery itself. The idea being that if you spin base to final, knowing spin recovery is not going to save you at that point. Spin prevention may have gotten you out of that situation in the first place. I understand both perspectives ( also spin training was pretty fun ).
This is outstanding! My Instructor was afraid of spins, so when I got my CFI, I’d done one, 1/4 turn spin and was terrified of them myself. Been teaching jets in simulators for almost two decades, and between what we do in those and this video, I want to go try some! Thanks for posting!
One of my club members recently passed away aged 96. He did 800 hrs in the RAF during the war. His log book is interesting because from day one of training in Tiger Moth they did spin recoveries. All written in red ink by his instructor.
“Alright so we are going to let the plane stall”
He said that so calmly 😂😂
This brings back memories as a young CFI student doing spins for the first time almost 50 years ago. Of course, there was no internet, smart phones, personal computers, small cam's, nice Bose headsets, but interestingly there were still Cessna 150's, 152's, and 172's. I don't remember doing them from a power on stall, that must be more of how it is done today. At the airline level, we teach extended envelope training on the 747 where we do full deep stall recoveries from high altitude along with upsets, bounced landing recovery, etc. Closest thing we have to having fun like the spins used to be...
In all honesty from student pilot to instructor thank you for instructing the way that you do, as a student pilot for the past couple years I have found that a more enthusiastic instructor makes things a hell of a lot more easier and fun at the same time. You remind me of my now instrument instructor, when it’s time to get serious we are serious and I am taught till I understand and then when everything is going good then it’s time to have a little fun and crack jokes. Even when I mess up my instructor just giggles and laughs because he knows that in order to learn you have to make mistakes sometimes. I’m 2 hours away from 100 hours and am still learning new stuff every day. Literally just last month I was coming in to do a circle to land from an RNAV GPS approach and had to go around 3 times, the wind was killer that night but all he did was sit back and give small pointers and let me learn. And then on the ground after landing we laughed and still talk about it today. That’s what makes training and being a student pilot fun. And you remind me of just that type of instructor. Don’t stop instructing the way you do. I’m telling you as a student pilot it makes us feel welcomed and comfortable and happy to get in the plane each and every time!
Thumbs up if you want Lewis to skydive!
Stop it
It's not "that" bad. Lol
@@LewDixAviation It would be fun they said!!!.....lol
@@LewDixAviation Are we still talking about jumping out of a plane?......lol
you know... statistically skydiving is safer than GA! I jumped for 20 years, 700 sport jumps, now I have my PL and it's more scary than jumping! :-) (PS.. I much prefer the Archer II over the Cessna 182, if only it had more power.... looking for a Cherokee 235 now.. Long live the low wings!) hee hee hee
I had the biggest grin on my face watching and listening to this, I'd have loveed to have been a back-seat passenger on this ride, fun times! 👌
cannot be utility category with a rear seat occupant.
@@beausmith6544 It's always nice when you can puke the pilots down their backs. :-))
In Canada spins are part of PPL training. It was a major thing for me: an airplane can do this, and *I* can make it do it! We did spins in Cherokees as specified by Piper: power-off stall, full up elevator, full rudder at the stall break.
Did my spin training in a C150 AeroBat in 79'. The rest in a mix of 150/152's. Just loved those big barn door flaps. A lot of time has past, but I could close my eyes now and reach for the controls. Oh, and I loved my spin training. It was more fun than going around and around in tight high turns holding it just off the stall with the sun in my eyes. I'm amazed in 2020 that day is still so clear in my mind.
Same here. I did spin training in an Aerobat in the late '70s.
After my last hours of general aviation I flew regional jet for 5 years and now B777 the last 4.... by far the best aviation is the general aviation, If I could get the same money I get now in my current job but flying a Cessna or so I would not doubt at all, give the Cessna... great video!!
Oh the squeal of that Cessna stall horn brings back some flight training memories.
When we did spin training in gliders, we wore parachutes...just in case. But spins aren't scary, they're FUN!
If you bailed out of the plane via parachute and the plane hit even 1 person on the ground and killed them you'd be going to prison.
Thank you for posting this. At first I nervous and scared at the same time. But, after watching it the entirely I begin to become not nervous anymore. This is going to be interesting when I learn this in flight training. "Always do something that scares you everyday"
I recall my first spin recovery flight in a 2-33 glider. Since we don't have a power plant, we really pull the stick back to put it into a stall. You've got to really get it to stall fast, otherwise it'll nose down and recover speed. Once the firm stall starts, then the hard rudder followed by firm opposite and slow but deliberate stick back so to not overspeed. The 2-33 is tough to stall, but when it did and the spin developed, all I recall is looking at the ground and hanging in the straps. Lots of fun and you've got to do it once in a while to keep in practice. Thermaling keeps us close to the edge of a spin, especially with tight bank and maintaining enough velocity to thermal.
I remember the first time I did that! I never did like practicing spins, especially once I started flying solo. It's a whole other game when the instructor isn't there to bail you out if you get into trouble! Biggest reason I'm not a pilot today -- I became thoroughly unnerved after only 5 hours of solo flying.
Are spins required? I’ve heard that FAA removed them because they’re dangerous and a lot of people crashed
@@sdb87149 I wouldn't know anything about nowadays. 40 years ago it was essential to practice spin recovery because spins happen and you have to know how to get out of them or you die.
But yes I would agree they're dangerous and I would especially say they're dangerous for any new student first going solo. I mean it was like one lesson on spin recovery and then soon after going solo you're out there practicing this. It might be better if you practice many spin recoveries with an instructor first but I don't remember doing that much.
@@sdb87149 Spin training is only required to get your Instructor License, but all pilots should know what can lead to them and how to recover from them, for all other licenses "spin awareness" is required
Okay, about 25 years ago, my buddy and I were flying a 172 Aerobat in the proper air space on an otherwise perfect cloudless day when we came upon a single beautiful little disolving cloud. After making absolute sure there was 0 traffic anywhere in the area, we entered horizontally and exited spinning vertically. It was totally cool and from a ground perspective, visually interesting- ya just don't see that every day.
Watching this because my Stepfather was an FAA Master Pilot and Flight Instructor, and he took me up and did this with me several years ago. He passed away on 11/11/2021 I miss him, and flying with him. This Instructor is very calm, and a great teacher. Reminds me of my Stepfather.
Sorry for your loss.. But I appreciate your kind words!
What's nuts is that my heart skipped a beat just watching it go over! lol
It’s a rush man!
looks like departure stalls to me. my spin training i had to do 2 full turns bf he let me recover. we also did static stability tests. just let go of the controls and wait for the parabolic s to level off, lotsa fun.
Well done for not throwing up. I recognised a developing barf after a number of spins in the Cherokee on a warm summer's evening. Assessing the options, the Instructor very-quickly agreed that I'd mastered it & so that was enough for the day.
RWY33 KISM is very special for me. My first solo and check ride were both from that runway. You can see my flight school very clearly during the takeoff.
Instructor showed spins and recovery. Scary stuff. Then while practicing solo before PPL I put myself accidentally into a spin. Recovery is so counter-intuitive and counter-instinctual that I don't think I would be here if I hadn't had that instruction.
It was around that time that I was getting instruction on Long Island on a cold February morning. Instructor is putting me through the paces and I am trying to catch up to the plane and the instruct or at the same time! He then if he could shut the open air vent since he was freezing. Told him OK but I was already sweating.
I can also recommend if you ever get the chance to do some spin training in a glider. The long wings really give a good feel for what is happening to the aircraft from normal flight to incipient stall, to start of autorotation into full rotation. The Cessna also seems rather "friendly" going into the stall. Slow to pick up rotation and really needs to be kicked into the spin. Some aircraft (especially high performance gliders and aircraft from the 80 and early 90s) can be rather violent going into a spin. One moment your flying pretty much normally, the next the world is revolving around you.
Love it, subscribed! Only suggestion might be to try having the instructor enter the spin (without indicating the direction) and the CFI candidate recover. I've heard (though never experienced) that one of the most challenging parts is figuring out the direction of rudder to apply through the vertigo.
I agree. I was taught that way in a glider. I don't see the point of doing it otherwise.
Scared the HELL out of me the 1st time I tried it with my Instructor!!
How does the G-Force feel? I'm scared about this part of training... I'm not a fan of rollercoasters either.
@@brightaviation407 its not so much the G force, and it doesn't feel that your on a roller coaster, because there is no Track!
Its the pure thought of the plane not Flying Normally, and all of sudden flipping straight down either to the right ,or to the left. Usually its to the Left, when you know in your mind that the plane shouldn't do that, and the plane doesn't want to do this, it wants to fly straight, but the instructor is MAKING it fly drastically uncoordinated.
This is perfectly safe at a high altitudes such as 7000 AGL. HOWEVER this can happen to you at a lower altitudes such as if you are sightseeing on a specific object or Animal, or on take off, and landings.
The only difference is that you are getting comfortable flying UNCOORDINATED, and YOU are unknowingly making this happen!
At a low altitudes this is very dangerous ,and what happens is that you pannick, and your 1st thoughts is to pull drastically back on the YOKE, and that's how you go into the "SPIN" except its to late to recover if you are very low!
your instructor is making you feel what this is like at a higher altitudes in order for you to be aware of this situation, and how to recover!
Remember that ALTITUDE= SAFETY!!
I Hope this helps.
My first lesson was doing stalls in a 172, and my instructor purpoisely (see what I did there?) let me go into one uncoordinated. He took controls after I put it into an incipient spin. It was fun, and a good lesson to stay coordinated while flying.
Yea man teaches you a lot
Interesting video, as we need to dispel the unknowns and fear of stalls and spins. A couple of comments; a C-172 was designed to be difficult to spin , thus the holding complete left or right rudder to maintain the rotation. Release/opposite rudder quickly stops rotation and the spin. A spin requires two simultaneous conditions; a stall and yaw (rotation). No stall equals a spiral. Not good as speed increases rapidly ! No yaw equals a simple stall. Also, for the C-172, spins are allowed, per flight manual, with front seat occupants only !! ( Utility Category). Any rear seat passengers, the C-172 is Normal Category ! Very important because of aft CG problems and difficult recovery!! A C150/C-152, on the other hand, was designed to be a training aircraft with a different wing that allowed much “easier” spin entry. Years of spin accident records show a much higher rate in a C-150/C-152 !
Upset recovery, unusual attitudes, spin training or whatever it may be named is always great to have. Find a competent instructor, see for yourself, “tame the beast” and be a better pilot ! Your passengers deserve it! 👍🏻😎
Spins were by far the best part of my training! Awesome video!
My instructor said you needed 5 revolutions to be in a full blown spin. He would only allow 2-3 due to the VNE limitations. Still though, better than any roller coaster ride I'd ever been on. :)
Spins are great fun, the problem is actually starting the spin in my 1939 cub, you have to kick in full rudder during a stall to even get a chance of going into a spin.
I’ll tell you buddy, I had no trouble sending my 71 inch model cub spinning into the ground. Maybe you should let me come over and give a crack at it😂
Best lesson ever.........when it goes wrong just blame the aeroplane.......especially a Cessna! Fantastic to watch full spins ooooooooooh there goes the stomach.
I feel doing spin training in aircraft that basically recover on their own isn't valuable. After getting my PPL in a Piper Warrior, and then getting my tailwheel in an aerobatic Citabria immediately afterward, I asked to do spins. My instructor didn't want to and was baffled why I wanted to, but I insisted. Was a great flight, and I learned stall recovery in an aircraft that would never recover on its own (and that would re-enter the spin in the opposite direction if you did it wrong).
Later on during my CFI training in a C-172 (different state, different airport, different instructors), we did spin training and it felt inadequate, as it took multiple tries to get the plane to even spin, and then the recovery was simply "stop forcing it to spin". We'd go through the motions, but having done proper spins/recovery before, the training didn't feel valuable to me. For those who've only ever spun in these aircraft, they may not be fully prepared to recover in a different less forgiving airplane.
"Crossing the border" is crossing Orlando Int Bravo airspace that lines up with I-17
It’s I-4
@@tomcorwine3091 it is definitely i-27 where it goes south north. 4 and 27 intersection was my visual check point from and into KISM
@@AbuAnas15 Oh, you’re talking about US Highway 27. That’s not the same as I-27-it’s not an Interstate.
@@tomcorwine3091 Yes. US 27 my bad
Look forward to practicing this maneuver when I go for my CFI
It’s more intense than it looks
Don't wait for your CFI, training, do it know. Spin training isn't reserved for CFI students, it's for all pilots who would like to learn how to enter an recover from a spin.
Hey LewDix, I'm a prospective SP.
Considering the disclaimer, I still get to pick 1 to few techniques. I think you do really well with tutoring.
I have my Cfi initial check ride this upcoming friday and just did my spin flight the other day. I noticed he is like me and still getting used to flying with his right hand haha. My instructor had to remind me to have my left hand ready to pull the throttle to idle bc I kept having it on the yoke. Haha great video and being I did my spin last week, it def was familiar with me 👍🏽
How did it go?
Very instructional video. Thanks for showing what it really is like.
Lmao those full developed spins look like something to make you dizzy 😂😂but I’m ready for em 🥴🔥‼️
I didnt know they called these spins, in my training we called them wing drop stalls
I agree the spin never develops, weak
@@martinhertz5986 That's what I was thinking. At least let it spin 2-3 times.
Was thinking the same thing, there was no spin here
They did spin it eventually.
I am not sure how it works in the states, but here in Europe (Switzerland) during a regular PPL training, we dont learn spin recovery. You only do it during training for flight-Instructor.
In my opinion EVERY pilot should learn to recover from a spin.
[Edit]...Oups...just saw that you mentioned it in your description also... :)
Haha you answered your own question lol
I wonder if the USAF sold any T-37s when they retired them. I did spin training for CFI students in a Cherokee and you had to work to keep it spinning. The T-37 spun like a top! Inverted spins, flat spins, it just spun. It was great training and lots of fun. It's a good thing they got it out of our systems before the T-38, it would kill you if you managed to spin it. Fortunately it was pretty resistant to spin but even harder to recover.
The reflection in visor made it look like he went full inverted. I panicked a little bit haha
I remember doing my spin training in a 172. Once I was comfortable with it we let the spin really develop with 4-5 full rotations before recovery. It was a lot of fun.
So cool!
Did you guys watch the whole thing?
Hey, that's Seminole Lake Gliderport he mentioned!
Just got my spin endorsement in a diamond a few weeks ago for my CFI! Was crazy!!
BananaPeal0 I had to do two incipient spins one with the instructor doing it and then I did one (one way) then we did two full spins again one with the instructor doing it then me doing one and recovering. As far as how many rotations probably 5-6 for both. And I have not done one since so far. Still new in my career haha!
In Canada we do Spins and Spirals at the 3ed lesson PPL
Student pilot here. Any difference in the feel of the recovery on a high wing versus low wing?
also a student pilot! just replied so I can see the answer
The only plane that I’ve flown that has been approved for spins is a Cessna 172, so I’ve never spun a low wing
@@LewDixAviation try a tomahawk and make a video !
It’s the same for High, mid and low wings
Only thing I’ve ever spun is a biplane, so it’s a high and a low wing 😂
Just started my PPL and loving your videos.
Thanks man!
I really enjoyed and learnt in this video every second thanks a lot..
Another really good video Lewis. Fun stuff reminded me of my early training when we were flying out of Ipswich (now a housing estate) one of my spinning sorties took me up to 10,000 and he made me hold it fully developed for 4 revolutions of Felixstowe pier! Would have been easier had he had a light hearted approach to teaching like yours! 🙂 👌 🇬🇧 Tim
Strange first lesson . Normally it's straight and level flight lol
4:15 - The Denali is coming out soon, I think. Cessna is sure to loan you one of those.
8:14 - This is awesome! I remember having to do those maneuvers, and recover, with the hood on. Had less fear because wasn't looking outside - LOL!
10:32 - Yeah, baby!!!
He's going to be a great CFI.
Good stuff. Enjoyed the camera view. Nice editing.
Thanks brother!
That was fun! Im looking forward to it. 🤩 Appreciate your efforts man, Thank you
Man!!!! This is one of the best videos for those trying to get their CFI Spin Training. Great video and Ice breaking!
Thanks brother!
Pilots : doing spin recovery practice .
Cessna : Bro ! I am feeling dizzy .
Extremely helpful video. How about doing one on a nose-up spin, too?
I appreciate you bleeping so my kids could watch this.
They were cursing like teenagers that just learned how before anything even happened in the video.
Used to do those at night, planes can spin in the dark also, worth being prepared....
Citations with their straight wing do float, come in above ref and float away....love the video, great job!
Parks Dive. I love it.
Nice. Try the falling leaf maneuver, full back elevator, spin one direction with rudder, kick opposite rudder and spin the other direction while holding full back elevator, good times.
When I was a student we recovered from undeveloped spins several times. The instructor never told me that's what we were doing.
My CFI had us induced the stall put it in a spin than we turned off the ignition for an added challenge
Sounds like a very stupid idea
Great video, as always! Looks like you guys had some fun, while also learning a very important skill!
Always learning, thanks to this wonderful channel.
Great to hear!
Having watched many aircraft disaster videos, I don't like seeing anything from the pilots but total seriousness in the cockpit.
My channel is not for you then
Last time I was this early the Boeing 787 wasn’t a thing
Man, I'd really like to do some spin training even though I only have my PPL. Lots of focus on the prevention aspect, stomping on that high wing and staying coordinated and all, but I think it looks really fun and is valuable experience.
My understanding is PPL is not required to undergo spin training. It's a damn good idea, though...
@@WatkinsFilmSchool Honestly it should be part of PPL training. As I would think a newer pilot would be a bit more at risk and doesn't have higher amount of flying experience where you would normally do the spin training at.
“Only lost a 1k feet”
Absolutely amazing. 🙌🏾💪🏽✈️
I literally loled at "You sayin' that cuz' I'm Spanish?"
i think that was a little rude
@@locotecagazon How was it rude? It was a fucking joke made by the dude who's Spanish. It was funny.
Reminds me of the first time I did spins in the B-747. A lot of fun. The Flight Attendants and passengers didn't think too much of it, however.
Buncha wussies, no doubt. It's like they expect safety or something.
still part of PPL training in CAN, always fun! You have to resist the urge to recover with aileron and only use rudder, oh well...
Rudder is required to stop the aircraft spinning as it sounds you were taught in Canada. It should be required training for all pilots.
I believe spin training should be given in primary training if the student is flying a Cessna. I got into a spin, flying a Cessna 150, as a student pilot. I had no idea how to recover from a spin, luckily I was with an instructor. When I became a flight instructor I made it a point to teach my students spins before allowing them to practice stalls while flying solo. I had one student, on a solo flight, get into a spin while practicing stalls. When he got back on the ground he thanked me for teaching him how to recover from a spin.
This is by far the funniest aviation channel on YT. LMAO! New sub here!
Mr. Martin Torres welcome to the channel! More laughter and flying to come, I’m glad you subbed!
Altitude is life
I really have to thank my instructors in SA..Proper training!
I switched from a C172 to a PA28-181 and feel the superiority in the air. Yea great, you can see the ground in a high wing... but Im not in the air to see the ground.
What a nice upgrade from the PA28
Did I miss it? Where was the fully developed spin? That was an incipient spin.
I never saw any forward input on the yoke to break the stall, which is straight from Cessna's POH.
Proper spin recovery procedure should be taught since not all airplanes are as docile and forgiving as a C-172.
1. Power to idle
2. Ailerons neutral.
3. Full opposite rudder and hold.
4. Brisk forward movement of the yoke/stick.
5. Recover from the ensuing dive.
"The aircraft is clean in aerodynamic design and will build up speed quickly with the nose down".
That dude almost shit his pants after the first fully developed spin. I don’t blame him tho
Bro flight sim 2020 looks so cool
Ahh the benine handling characteristics of a Cessna high wing on display :)
3 things a Cessna is good for: floating, spinning, and leaving in a hangar 😲
@@LewDixAviation Tell that to the countless Skyhawks dealing with all the crap a typical fledgling can throw at them. Still the only aircraft I've flown that will let you get away with being lazy and inattentive.
@@LewDixAviation
If you lose all power and have to "drop in", then the Cessnas are the only general plane that you can just "pick a paddock" (Aussie term).
I like watching your flight videos in the 172 better than the pa28
I usually add a bit of power (1500 rpm) right as its about to stall. It makes it spin properly ;)
My neighbour used to spin his biplane for kicks. The first time I saw it I thought it was all over haha I got used to seeing it though
You the best .
Like the clickbait thumbnail. ” Yeah we just dropped of some people on ISS Space station and thought we would treat ourself with a spot on spin training while reentering the atmosphere” 😂
Dont get your problem thats what you call spin recovery, it's not risky at all
@@Aki-xm7yl *woosh*
Back in the 80's, putting the airplane in a spin and learning recovery was standard in flight training.
Tyler Beevers it should still be standard today
LewDix Aviation I agree 100%
Awesome video thanks
Clearly shows if you get into a spin on takeoff, you aren't going to have time to recover. 26 years ago during one of my first few lessons, and before any of the book work, my instructor didn’t correct me on being uncoordinated during a power on stall and a full 2 turn spin developed. Scared the life from me and I nearly quit training. Ever since that day I am very guarded and reluctant to do power on stalls.
Spins were a lot of fun. Now I'm trying to teach my new students how to land....its rough 😂
There’s a fine art to stopping them from ruining planes