Cessna 172 Spin Recovery Training (Full HD w/ audio)
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- January 21, 2013 - Spin recovery training with instructor Glenn Barrett near the Rockton Aerodrome (CPT3). The plane is a Cessna 172R from Spectrum Airways. The audio is from a direct connect with the ICS, but for some reason only on one channel and a bit over-modulated causing noticeable clipping and distortion.
Clearing turns were done prior to doing the spins, but the clearing turns did not make it into the video.
General Spin Recovery Procedure (check your aircraft for specific instructions)
1. Power off
2. Apply and hold full opposite rudder to the spin
3. Apply forward pressure on the control column to break the stall
4. Hold rudder and nose down attitude until the rotation stops
5. Neutralize the rudder and level the wings
6. Climb back to recover lost altitude
Always practice spin recovery techniques with an experienced and licensed instructor in a plane that has been specifically certified for spin training.
This CFI is a great one. No barking, positive, knows his stuff and looks like he makes it fun.
Pretty cool guy. Cool video!
definetly agree
Totally agree, a very good instructor, giving confidence and positive explanation about what is about the exercise and corrections to be done...
When I started my flight training 40 years ago (J3 Cub) Loops, spins and hammerheads were the norm, along with wheel take offs and landings. My instructor had me land at every dirt road and farmers field she could find, I used to beg her to just let me fly the plane, it became normal to land uphill in some farmers field or some remote dirt road, in my 8th hour she had me take off and land then had me go to the fuel pumps, I was confused. then she said you're ready to solo. Years later I had to do an off field landing, which I did without any damage or injury, the FAA wasn't too happy about it, but if it weren't for the training my first instructor gave me I might not be writing this, Don't panic, remember to keep flying the airplane, follow procedure and you'll be fine. I'll never forget what the FAA said to me, I was naive about this but, she said "it very rare to talk to somebody like you" I said why is that? Because they're dead. I am not bragging to anyone here, my point is, don't panic, remember what you have been taught and you'll have a better chance at survival. This instructor has good qualities that will make good safe pilots and have fun in the process. In closing, I am so grateful to my instructor. She taught me safety without me even knowing it.
Agree. I had an instructor like that, but it still wasn't fun.
I agree, wish my instructor was as cool when we took off with only one magneto turned on..
Excellent instructor.. very cerebral...
Agreed. The communication is very clear concise and he helps to student understand what's happening. Excellent.
He seems like a nice guy, excellent indeed!
I think it's harder to get a 172 into a spin than it is to get it out of one.
i flew one that doesnt spin hahaha ,, just buffets,, u have to spin in your self
moeburn if you want to spin a 172 to the left leave 1500 rpm on and do what the instructor just showed you (make sure to go idle on the throttle when you recover)
+moeburn
They are designed so that you have to make them spin, that's why Cessna is such a great plane. Most spins occur because of Pilot inputs.
172s are one of the most stable aircraft. That's why they are the most popular training aircraft. For stalls, spins, and spirals the plane will mostly correct itself if you let go of everything
Can you explain about only bringing power to idle? In the 152/172s I flew, we always applied power (once the stall had been arrested with the rudder...)
that cfi made me feel as if I could rectify a spin, and I've got no flight experience. sounds like an awesome instructor.
that was one of the best instructor to student explanations i have heard
indeed The instructor is just excellent
you seemed scared but with courage to go through and make yourself learn it. that has been my emotions going into my stall training and I'm glad I'm not alone!
I think you call that "apprehensive" . I recently had the opportunity to do spins again but in a C152. The sensations were much more intense and I was startled by this to the point that I severely delayed the recovery and almost overspeed the plane. All I can say is that you need a lot of practice doing the recovery, not only to understand how the airplane behaves but how you behave as well. It is truly sensory overload and your brain simply pauses to process all the different inputs and sensations and that is the part that will kill you. You need to be accustomed to this and apply the recovery inputs early and promptly.
I've been doing spinning in the C152 recently and we let to go past 2 turns. It tightens substantially and starts to spin much faster. The recovery takes almost a full turn from the time it's effected. I'm doing it for my instructors rating. I was nervous at first, but once the first spin was done I discovered I love it and I went on to do many more.
I need to go do spins again...
Aviation101 hell yeah it’s my favorite youtuber
From the 172R POH - Section 4-40 "Intentional spins are approved when the airplane is operated in the utility category. Spins with baggage loadings or occupied rear seat(s) are not approved." The spins conducted in this video were done while operating the aircraft in the utility category in compliance with the POH for the specific aircraft flown.
So at how many hours can u start doing this
@@jackdorsey1384 During your very first hour, if you're not careful!
Glenn is definitely an example of an incredibly good flight instructor. Inter-communication between instructor and student (with me being a student) is one of the most integral parts of properly learning to fly. He sounds like an instructor I would pay double to have.
Every pilot need to learn spin recovery.
Agreed. It's better to have too much training than not enough.
it's actually part of our training program, it's mandatory for us to go through stalls and spins as part of our training
In my country it WAS mandatory to train to do 2 spins at least before recovery ... until a student and instructor ended up going nose-first into the ground. Sadly we'll never know exactly why or how. Some speculated the student applied too much forward pressure and flipped the bird over into a roof-first fall.... as said we'll never truly know. But it is now banned and only incipient spin recovery is taught. A CFI told me some stories at that point about how some students would panic and grab the sticks, kick their legs out and hold the rudder in position, etc.... said a few students had been punched by CFI's over the years to get them to let go. IMHO only: people who react that way don't belong in cockpits. No fault of theirs, but they prob don't have the constitution for it.
There is a video on TH-cam Somewhere where a guy goes into a spin and start screaming for help on the radio and I controller instructed him how to get control the plane. He was screaming like a man getting murdered
@@jarveysorensen5502 I want to see the video. I'm in flight school, and I won't be learning because the FAA removed it as a requirement.
Yes, this is in Canada. The location of this video is approx. 80km west of Toronto (as-the-crow-flies).
We're not too far from each other then unless you've moved since this video
Glenn is an excellent instructor. Why? Because he is immersed with his student and also very encouraging. We need more instructors like him. I've been flying since 17 and now 58 and would never do a spin. But with Glenn, I would.
Thank you for posting this video! When I was getting my license they did not include spin recovery. Fortunately, I had watched a video tape on how to do this, which probably saved my life. I was soloing and unintentionally entered a spin. Because I watched the tape, I knew how to recover. I strongly encourage any student pilot to get trained on how to do this! Your in-depth, multiple recovery instructions, along with the text in your explanation, could give someone enough details to save a life! Great instructor and a great example of your student’s ability to apply your procedures! Thank you both!
My dream instructor!
Seems like a great instructor. Very calm, authoritative, good demeanor and offered good feedback hand helpful tips.
Did my spin training last week on the 20th of March 2015. My instructor demonstrated to me the first one and i had to recover twice on the subsequent ones. My instructor again let us do spins this past monday and i recovered twice. i must confess that the first one is scary but u get used to the subsequent ones. And this video helped me a lot prior to my spin training because i was really scared of it.
I'm glad I found this video. I need to view it a few times. A long time ago, 1982 +/-, early in fight training and very few hours, we were practicing power on stalls in a 172. My instructor had me repeating them one right after another without any rest. Each time I did one, I could feel the tension building up in my body, a little higher up in my chest each time. Then on the last one, the plane snapped over and I was looking at a whole lot of ground spinning around in the windshield. I don't know if I was the one to step on the rudder or if it was the instructor, but we came out of it fairly quickly. I remember shrieking in a high voice saying "Was that a spin?". The instructor just said "No, that was a spiral dive. Let's do some more". My tension had not reduced by any means, I had had it and said that I was done for the day. He said "really?". Ever since then, I seem to have developed a keen since of impending stall, sooner than anyone else I'm with. Each time during a review when the instructor asks for a stall, I feel the stall coming on and return to normal flight. Every instructor always says "No, I want a complete stall". I always say "That was one". I always tell them "The point is stall avoidance isn't it? We just avoided a stall". Then we do another one and I take it to a clean break. I really keep an eye on the horizon and the ball centered after the "spiral dive" experience! My last biennial was the first time I've shared the 1982 experience with anyone. When I got to the "spiral dive" comment, this instructor just stared at me and simple said "Oh".
Very well done, Stephan! It's a horrible sensation the first time, but I did the same as you - asked my instructor to do a second one so I was the better able to appreciate what was happening. Speed builds up alarmingly once the rotation stops and before you commence the climb out of the dive, doesn't it? Superb instructor. Very good explanations and he just exudes confidence. Stick with him - he's exceptional! Cheers for now! Peter
Congratulations to the instructor. There is a world of difference between having the technical skills and knowledge to be a flight instructor and having the teaching vocation. Nice job guys.
your instructor is awesome! great video!
WOW ! Great job bud ! If I ever learn how to fly, I'll be looking for this Instructor ! Excellent!
Correction Great Instruction Glenn Barrett!! Awesome Video. Glenn You are so Patient and are Obviously a Fantastic CFI! You were very Thorough in Your explanations and this was a great review for Old Pilots like me!
Great instructor.
spin recovery mandatory in Canada, also spiral dive and 5 hours under the hood instrument training
Everyone should have igr training.
I fly a 172 frequently, and I have to say I've never done spins, but you sir have balls of steel!
Less balls of steel and more of a necessity. Here in Canada we are required to learn spins early on in our PPL training.
Stephan Awesome Video and Awesome Instruction! Excellent Job at explaining what was going on! Thank You so Much!!!
Excellent instructor. Not all good pilots make good instructors. It's a special skill. BTW, you didn't do too badly at all on your first spin recovery. That was my favorite part of primary training.
You're outta yer mind...sounds like an armchair pilot to me. Cloud avoidance looked just fine, and I think this is one of the better instructional videos I've seen on this aspect of flight instruction.
I didn't have any issues with spins, but practising steep turns was another story. After doing them repeatedly, it made me feel very nauseated. I made it through the lesson without becoming sick, but that couldn't be said of the car ride home. I now keep some ginger-based Gravol in my car. Works wonders.
I learned to fly in gliders at Lake Elsinore in CA. We were required to demonstrate left and right 3 turn spins in a Schwitzer 2-33 before we could solo, and I soloed in eight hours. Really messed up the SEL instructor because he couldn't freak me with spins and simulated engine failures. This is a very good instructor. No drama.
This is a skill I've wanted to learn for a long time: the ability to accurately judge relative distances in the face of perspective distortion as a result of using a wide angle camera (170°) containing only a 2D image. Well done.
I remember my first spin in a 152. I knew something was up when my instructor took left seat. First one was stomach wrenching, but then we started getting it more and more to my control. Most fun since my first hood flight instruction.
I wish I could go back through training all over again.. What a blast .. The excitement of the unknown was exhilarating .
a good instructor is a very valuable tool
Great video and great instruction. The first spin feels kind off like your first solo, you remember it vividly and don't forget it. Everyone should experience it at least once.
Excellent instruction! The instructor does the maneuvers and explains what he is doing as he does it.
I did this same lesson this morning - and my reactions were exactly the same as yours: "Holy crap". Your instructor was very good. I am more confident coming out of this lesson. Thanks for posting.
I just experienced this for the first time on my 3rd flight lesson. Scared the crap out of me initially but would like to do it again. Very informative video. However one have to experience it yourself to really understand the feeling.
Excellent tuition, seems like a very pleasant CFI, his instructions are plain and simple.
This is the instructor that all new pilots need, learn to get OUT of a bad situation
The other issue that should be mentioned is the G limits. Depending on how aggressive the recovery is, you may be exceeding the G limits if you are not in the utility category. Therefore, a lot of bad things can happen if you are not in the utility category while practicing spins. As far as I know, all C172 are rated for spins in the utility category, but as always, check your POH for the specific plane you're flying to make sure.
Just did spin training today. Not required in the US, but that was some of the most fun I've had in the plane to date. Actually it WAS the most fun.
this video made my stomach flip... I vividly remember my spin training on a Katana.
Just did this yesterday. holy hell it was scary but I managed to not die xD
what about that horrible sinking feeling in your stomach.. cant stand that
okkcomputer dude during my spin training (after 3rd spin), i threw up all over the cockpit 🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@okkcomputer ughhhhh if I cant handle stalls I could imagine spins
@@khaledj.9985 maybe make sure to do it on an empty stomach next time lol
@@ross4329 for me stalls were nothing... probably because I was expecting something so much worse and I was like oh this is nothing
Great video! Can't wait to get back in an airplane and do this! Always wanted to, and think that every pilot should know how to do this.
Great video - I fly out of CZBA myself. I ended up hating stalls more than spins as you just didn't know WHEN it was going to stall. I don't how those instructors do it - they're so calm.
A good reminder to get off the opposite rudder once the spin stops.
Instructor is well composed and confident. He doesn’t look like someone who would be shaken by much.... which is what you want in an instructor.
I had this happen over the weekend. Practicing power off stalls and it went right into a spin. I freaked. Well done on your 2nd try. That's impressive.
On my second lesson I was switched to another instructor since my guy was out sick.. He scared the crap out of me when we did a spin. He never mentioned what we were going to do, just did it.. that was 40 years ago. So glad I didn't drop out after that stunt. He was so sorry what he did not knowing it was my second lesson. He thought I had more hours and about to solo. I'm glad I stuck with flying and still flying at 68.
If it develops into a flat spin and the nose won't go down get your weight forward even if it takes cramming heads and shoulders to the windscreen. Night time spins feel for which rudder is sticking out and step on it. The wind from rotation will push the rudder over giving away the direction of rotation.
Great video!! Best spin video I have found yet! You had the same reaction I did my first spin. "holy crap!" haha. Then I had to do one on my own, my instructor sat on his hands and took his feet off the pedals and was like "recover"...then I realized it wasn't that bad, turned out to be a lot of fun!
WHat woudl I have given to have this intructor teach me. I found out after the fact when I was training to get my private that my instructor (although a super nice guy) who owneed the flight schol was a brand new instructor and he wasnt very good with stalls ans spins. When we did stall training he scared the hell out of me, very violent stall and recovery, after that i did not want to fly anymore and ever since I have a fear of "slow speeds" This kid instructor is just friggin phenomenal! great video!
I am not sure if your a student but me personally being a former flight instructor spins are great to learn specially for students. Who is to say the student s out in the practice area learning departure stalls by their self and accidently gave too much rudder to keep straight and bam your in a spin. To be honest I have never in my 3500 hours of flying or 27 years ever did a spin in a 172, all my spins have been in a 150 or 152. Great video and great instructing.....Glenn seems to be a great instructor.
Stephan Edelman
I was up for the first time in a 172 yesterday morning. It was fun. I'm not sure if I'll ever study spin recovery but who knows...
Part of the syllabus in Australia for even the entry level license.
Great instructor
About to do my discovery flight on Wednesday, so excited! I think I am going to ask my instructor to do this
I was practicing this today in a 172. It was the most beautiful morning for flying I have experienced in a long time.
Great video. I dropped it into our CASARA Facebook group.
When you watch it for a second time, turn english captions on. Awesome.
Right on, thanks for the clarification, I got my commercial helicopter license a few weeks ago and instrument rated, once I get done with CFI/CFII I am planning on getting my private fixed wing add on, spins look really fun to do!
This is an excellent video. Thanks Glenn Barrett for the well done lesson and Stephen for sharing it.
See the speedometer during the spin... almost got to zero IAS!
This is hands down the most important practice in flying. Unfortunately and amazingly this is getting out of fashion in Europe. If pilots are not totally familiar with spinning and its sensory sensation they're a liability in my humble opinion. During my instructors days I've had experienced private pilots lock up with stick full aft. Consequently I spent hours on end doing just this with new students in their phase of training.until they were totally familiar. Great video!
The Mueller/Beggs technique calls for (1) power off; (2) let go of the yoke; (3) apply full opposite rudder to the spin until rotation stops; (4) neutralize the rudder. This is essentially what is being taught here. I believe we don't let go of the yoke because we want to break the stall quickly and speed up the recovery, but as you saw in the video, you really don't even need to do this. What is essential is to cut the power, otherwise you keep feeding the spin.
Yes, power off right away. The power feeds the spin, so you want to cut the power while applying full opposite rudder. By the time the rotation stops, you'll be pointing straight down. You gently pull the noise up and climb as quickly as possible to recover the loss in altitude. You need to have a balanced recovery, not too hard so as to overstress the airframe (high G's) and not too slow that you would overspeed the plane.
My left ear approves!
I’m having this training tomorrow. Pretty excited. Thanks for this.
Vital part of training. Thanks for the video. The Canadian and Australian license requirements very similar.
I have just finished power on and power off stalls and began landing. I thought I had see it all until this video.
Cool video. Been there done that. When in a spin alerions are useless because the wings are stalled. Use the rudder to stop the spin. Then use the elevators to level out. When your in a spin your weightless until you level out. Cheers Bill
Guys, great video! My flying school won't do spin training in their 172s and I'm super keen to learn more about it. I know the drill but seeing it in action in a familiar aircraft is fantastic. Cheers from Brisbane Australia!
I remember when I did my first spin, it was done at full power years back. Seems to me older instructors teach with full power. If I am correct the airplane flying handbook says "poweoff". I like how you add little power. Full power like how I did it we were almost vertical before aircraft would spin. What always comes to mind students are told on the ground to push the yoke forward, when I have a student I explain "release back pressure ". I have only used 172 for spin training.
In a 172, or pretty much any cessna you can let go of the yoke and you'll come out of the spin. It's called the beggs mueller tecnique that is taught as a way to get out of a spin if you're too disoriented to remember all of the steps. Especially if you're spinning to the right, which most Cessnas can't really do.
Great job on those recoveries. Those were the most fun/intimidating part of my training. Your instructor was outstanding! I wish they were all that good.
Love doing these recoveries. Get's one ready for the real world of flight. Spins happen when you least expect it. So learn them at the hit and be the better pilot.
Very well done. The instructor is very professional in this lesson. This is a great training video.
Very good instructional video. Thank you
this was awesome to watch. hopefully one day i can go for flight training!
The CFI is awesome. Great explanations.
Great video. Awesome instructor.
Really like this CFI. Everyone should be well trained in stalls and spins.
Wow, what a great and calm instructor! Nice vid!
Great training video, thanks.
The issue is the CG. As the CG moves aft the centrifugal force that develops during the spin becomes greater and the effect of the rudder to counter the spin becomes less. If the CG moves far enough aft the spin can no longer be stopped by the rudder. The far aft CG also means that it becomes difficult or even impossible to lower the nose to break the stall. The combination of the two is a flat spin from which recovery is impossible. The utility category ensures the CG is within recovery limits.
Yes, it is a legitimate term that applies to fixed-wing aircraft also (although the mechanics are obviously completely different). A quick check on Wikipedia indicates "For fixed-wing aircraft, autorotation is the tendency of an aircraft in or near a stall to roll spontaneously to the right or left, leading to a spin (a state of continuous autorotation". Glenn, the instructor in this video, may want to add to this.
I used a Sony HDR-AS15 wearable camera mounted to my headset. The camera has a microphone jack, but it is located behind a cover and not accessible once the camera is enclosed in the protective housing. I removed the cover and drilled a hole in the housing to allow me to connect a regular 3.5mm microphone plug. I built a custom Y-cable to connect with the ICS. It's a really great camera, but if you don't want the hassle, go with a GoPro Hero3.
Man thank you for uploading this!
Great instructor, good student as well. Wish we had headsets with intercom back in the day I was learning. So glad I got spin training (and tailwheel), not that I get to fly anymore. :(
Oh my god. You got balls of steel mate. I keep hearing you say "lets do one more" Haha wow.
Nice. I think spin training has always been valuable in getting a confident sense of the phenomenon, the airplane, and its behaviors (assuming it is approved for spins). Quite a few seem to practice these for the first and last time in the traffic pattern. Personally, I prefer to see a clean, defined stall with more break and less mush as the entry point, exercising all available control to keep the wings level until that break happens. My mother was a student pilot in the 1940's and failed her checkride because she did not count three turns and exit her spin recovery flying the same heading as when she had entered the maneuver. This wasn't for aerobatics or a commercial ticket--just her private. When I started training, I used her standard given that the FAA had dropped theirs. Line up perpendicular to a railroad track, a straight road, etc., and count it rotating in the windshield when you go over, recovering in the same direction. Let's voluntarily raise the command and art in airmanship as well as safety protocols and give the accident-data-entry folks working the FAA ASIAS a lot less to do and aviation insurance companies less to charge us for. Go Dan Gryder!
I am a student pilot and I can tell you this is awesome ! 👏
Fantastic CFI!
Damn, this teacher is amazing.
Brilliant video, great instructor too.
I remember my spin training in the Cessna 152, I hated it at first but after a while, and proving you can tame it, it's a lot of fun!
Thanks for sharing :)
Man I hated the 152. Butt cheek to butt cheek with the instructor in 100 degree weather. Not very comfortable.
"I remember my first spin" Great video!
what a great instructor!
Glad you were in utility category to keep it legit!
Solid instruction. Nice work man.
Students start out hardly believing they can do it. Fifteen minutes later, it's "Hey, you did the last one. My turn!" "OK, but then I want to go again." They're incredibly easy, and all the anxiety about unusual attitude recovery just goes away.
beautiful! I really miss doing spins ... for me no roller coaster can match this as I'm the one in control ...
I hope to undertake my PPL in the UK sometime, but I already used what I learned in this video recovering from a spin in a home simulator, actually an A-10C! First time I forgot the forward pressure though and it didn't recover, and I decorated the countryside with my expensive military hardware. Maybe best to make the kind of mistake when its not real.
This student will be a excellent pilot, thanks to his instructor.