An Honest Conversation About Zion Williamson W/ Rajon Rondo & DeMarcus Cousins | Bully Ball
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2023
- On the latest episode of BULLY BALL, Demarcus Cousins and Rajon Rondo discuss the recent report about Zion Williamson and what the big man needs to get his career back on track.
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Rondo : "Can we cuss?"
YES!
Proceeds not to cuss a single time
I was also confused on why he asked that, if it wasn’t going to apply lol
😂😂
He got that message on the screen to not so it lol
Watching Boogie and AD with Jrue and Rondo was one of the most fun times I've ever had watching the NBA. He was a perfect fit for AD: better shot creator so he could take the #1 offensive role, and let AD be a monster on D and the incredible #2 option that he is. Cousins with the ball and AD as the screen man in a 5-4 pick and roll was so deadly and unique
Rondo needs to be a coach
💯
Ong
He gonna be coach for lebrons team
Rondo, is a PG. That is why it is so easy to help coaches after being a PG.
Rondo is part of the coaching staff at university of Kentucky isn't he? He was last year.
"Glass of wine Glass of Gas ⛽" 😂💯
ok i wanted to make sure lmao. so every nba player basically smokes
@@youngerudit2524from time just their time there was no cameras like that
People forget Rondo & Boogie played together for the Pelicans, & it was one of their most "what could've been" teams we ever had. Boogie & AD were twin towers, and that team had a shot but wasn't able to stay healthy. That's big of boogie to admit the offcourt challenges & I believe Rondo when he says K.G had that type of influence bc KG was a super passionate player. He's actually one of the guys I think would be a good mentor for Z because yeah he took winning seriously but you could tell he had fun doing it too.
It was the king's not the pelicans
@@anthonyjohnson-dq8ls He played for both teams
Bruh, it was the Kings and New Orleans
@@anthonyjohnson-dq8ls it was New Orleans & that was a playoff team that would've had a real shot with more "buy in" which is exactly what Cousins is talking about in this video. What he's saying is hard to admit but very true. That's why I know both these players mean well when they say they want to see Zion do well because they've both been there.
Pelicans made the playoffs because of Rondo.
Glass of gas! ⛽️ 😤
😂 you beat me to it
May Rondo expound on that lol 🤣🤣🤣
Can I cus? Then proceeds to not cus. 😂😂😂
Mad Props to Boogie. He's one of my favourite big men as a combination of size and talent. Everything i've criticised him for, he just said out loud. Hopefully Zion can hear this and respond.
I’d like to talk basketball with Rondo all day
Glass of ⛽️😂😂😂Rondo was blowing good 🌲
ok i wanted to make sure lmao. so every nba player basically smokes
Players always say "you aint play the game so you dont know" Then when ex players say the same thing they still get mad. Alot of players just sensitive these days
Just ordered me a Rondo jersey,....miss me boy Rondo in the game. 💪🏾 Told my homeboy earlier Rondo and Pat Bev are future coaches, watch.
I find it crazy how people can literally break the game down and tell you what you need to work on and how the player(s) receive the news and take it as hating or dismiss it altogether. Like bruh we all just wanna see you be great. You have the talent, the resources, the support, just put the work in. And thats where the disconnection lies. They dont wanna put the work in to be great. To be the best. Its a lack of competitiveness and desire. No amount of money can make a player competitive, its something that has to be inside of you.
It’s different when your doing badly but Zion is coasting off talent so he sees it as he’s still young it will change eventually
True, I still have hope for Zion cuz he had 36 the game after the IST so hopefully he’s taking seriously all the criticism he’s been receiving lately
But at the same token, no one is saying how Zion is scoring 22.9 ppg. Let alone congratulating Zion for playing games compared to that Ben Simmons dude. But that ONE game when he disappeared, oh boy people are calling Zion fat and out of shape. After seasons of injury, and another year of fat shamming, I can understand the frustration Zion is getting.
Zion never dismissed criticism as hating. He literally said thank you if it’s coming from a place of support and that if it’s coming from somewhere else like Stephen A he can’t do anything about it
Yes you make all the correct points, but that's why I think this problem is much deeper than what seems obvious on the surface.
A guy like Rondo I think would honestly be the perfect guy for someone like Zion or a Kevin Garnett, because these guys understand that some players choose to be lazy, but try to really get into understand why they think that way, and convince them that they are really missing out on something greater for themselves personally by choosing to not realise their full potential.
Zion needs to be a clean 265 he doesn't need to be 300. His Knees will feel alot better and he'll be alot more explosive.
Any weight loss that he takes on, he needs to balance out his game with a jumpshot and he needs to put in more defensive effort and same on the glass as well. I personally think his current skillset isn’t worth building around. He can’t spread the floor and is currently defensively inept (low motor and mobility)
*250
Also, he has to improve his shooting, especially in the free throw line
I bet rondo becomes the head coach for Lebrons Las Vegas team when he retire
Yo Glass of ⛽️ killed me. ☠️☠️☠️
Food conversation!
“Can we cuss on this show?”😂😂
A glass of gas 😂😂😂😂
On god😭🤣🤣
Glass of ⛽️
Rondo look so young still
well he is 37, not 47.
@@Kedvin7 ok the point I was making is that he has that Jamal Crawford type gene them dudes don’t age
@@ReddReigns08 Jamal Crawford doesn't look young. What are you even talking about.
@@DannyXXXXX huh 🤔… have you seen his rookie pics compared to today? Wtf are YOU talking about
i would love to see demarcus on the raptors right now
-- for minimum vet, he might be doable on any team. He can pass and shoot. BUT he can't move defensively so he's a liability on defense.
As a player's coach, ex-hot headed superstars don't fill that void as well as scrubs who rode the bench all 10-20 years.
Biggest mistake in Demarcus Cousins career was not accepting that contract offer from the Pelicans
Zion has the right pieces. Dude got damn near 2 all stars in his starting line up and big ass jonas at center. He has more than what lebron did with the cavs in 2007. He doesn't have a excuse in my opinion. And a good bench to add on to that. Put this team with a young lebron and watch what happens.
First thing that comes to my mine is it only 15 years then your retired. Buckle down man!
If Millions don't mke u want to get in shape and dominate your opponent nothing will. Pels need to just move on. Its time to stop babying this dude.
That’s so simplistic it’s unfortunate you can’t see that. If people were that simple the NBA would be a better product, Manziel would still be in the NFL & Shaq would have 6 rings.
Best ZION ADVICE I'VE HEARD. GEAUX PELICANS.
Like Chuck always talks about, they need vets in the locker rooms for the youngins. Just like Moses did for Chuck…
I would happily take either of those guys back. They can mentor Zion all they want while playing minimal rolls.
Cousins on point!
Ironically both them played on the Pels together not too long ago
Glass of gas 😂
Rondo should be the point guard of the Pelicans
Chris Paul could help that team a lot. Same way he did for OKC and PHX. Also the team he was drafted to and went to the finals with Willie Green as assistant coach
Rachel is a real one. Rondo is a basketball genius
Ain't nothing real about her...fake feminist got her ass fired from ESPN throwing shade on her co-worker behind her back
Rachel is a real one
How tf is she a real one? 🤨
If she was a real one, she would've known what they meant when they said he needs a vet he can relate to. Talkin bout some JJ Reddick😂😂😂
@@jabrilwebb5624she kept it real tho lmaoo
A glass of gas is hilarious!
He already had that voice, TSpoon. They fired her. 🤷🏾♂️
Jack Nicholson ahah had that look
Glass of gas is a new one…😅
He came out on game after
Boogie, should be a big man mentor for this era , Rondo should be a guard mentor
If they wanna pay me millions to diet shit I'm down.
Talking about accountability with Demarcus Cousins is wild
Stop hearing words and actually listen to what’s being said. The accountability on being able to get yourself in better shape, to be a better player
Who better to tell you not to smoke Crack than a crakhead?
Zion should be a 25-30 points 12 rebound player
Rondo is what's best for Zion. The Pelicans front office is dropping the ball every year they don't bring him in as coach
zion x haliburton make it happen in INDY
the irony of shaq saying bbq chicken while giving zion "advice"
Glass of gas? Is he talking bout what I’m thinking, I mean we grown here
Besides the center if this team isnt “built” for him no team can be. Cj bi & the 3 wings they have is enough.
Mannnnn Kobe even told shaq he needed to work out lose weight and eat right and then they started getting into it 😂😂.. Zion is ok man
Ok i had to watch the whole thing 😂😂😂 shaq right
A glass of wine and a glass of gas? What does a glass of gas mean?
rhymes with thong and starts with the letter “B”
Glass of gas 😂😂😂
My only problem with what Shaq said is once he played with the Lakers he was always out of shape he used the season to get in shape always came in training camp out of shape. He was pushing 450 at his prime in LA
-- Shaq coasted a lot in L.A. especially after he got that 1st chip w/ Phil Jackson.
Plus, he had Kobe who was MJ-lite riding his butt. Shaq didn't have the wisdom to put the work in and why the Lakers brought in Karl Malone and GP. Then they lost in the Finals and Kobe wanted his own team.
@@jlui21 and don't forget he had one year left on his deal and he wanted to be the highest paid player in the NBA Jerry buss didn't want to pay that much
Was he missing 3 seasons in a row ?
Shaq can say that anytime, any day in anyway. Shaq was the “best” player in the league while being out of shape. Zion isn’t close. Stop it
Jack Nicholson definitely got that look
Well Rondo I don’t think there are many of you around lol love Rondo!
Shaq: Tiger Woods had that look, Jack Nicholson had that look...
Jack Nicholson is an actor, Im pretty sure he means Jack Nicklaus lol
Zion has been in the league for a few years now and he has spent most of it injured because of his weight. I feel he lacks discipline because he doesn't wanna be in New Orleans. He expressed it when they secured the 1st pick.
New Orleans is his best option rn
@@Virtualcritic111 Once the chance opens up for him to leave, he'll take it!
New Orleans has a good, gritty team. Versatile, can play big or small, work inside or out. High character guys who play hard and want to win. Great staff. Fans have had his back since day 1. Pels are ascending & a good situation. He keeps saying publicly that he loves New Orleans & wants to be here so I don't know why people won't take his word for it.
@@jaymez316that chance will take years to open up
@@scoutwithoutclout The biggest issue as to why people don't trust Zion or take his word to be 💯 is his actions have spoken louder than anything he has ever said. I see an elite talent who doesn't take the game seriously enough to be reliable and stay consistent. The only thing keeping the Pelicans from being a contender is Zion!
Rondo should be a coach
Charles Barkley had Moses Malone. Imagine if Zion can really discipline himself and stay healthy? Damn that would be scary.
Why is Rachel Nichols so 🔥🔥🔥 To me 🤦🏾♂️
rachel? a new laminated version😳
glass of gas 🤣
I wonder 💭 how boogie feels seeing Zion with a max contract and he never got one 😮
-- of course he's annoyed that he didn't get the bag. But he had that one major injury so he missed the max contract.
Ppl thought PELS messed up by not giving him the MAX but soon enough the injuries kept coming. Pels made the right choice in retrospect.
@@jlui21 the kings also skipped on him and it wasn’t all because of injury, he might of just done it to himself! He’s a perfect example of what 😮 could of been! Zion just needs to keep it low and collect his cash 💰 before you know it his contract will be over and he’ll be set for life,maybe the same thing boogie should of done.
@@jlui21 i saw boogie playing in Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 this last summer while I was on vacation and I felt bad for him, he still got some fuel in the tank though!
Vets are important on teams, but they shouldn't have to be baby sitters for guys that make 10xs more than they do. I don't think there's anyone Zion could "relate" to if he doesn't respect authority or any advice being given to him about his weight and conditioning
I need Boogy on TnT commentating... Shaq will no longer be the bully at the table lol
They have been trying to change his body since he's been in the league, he's been hurt since he's been in the league. Maybe more weight TO LIMIT his explosiveness is the key to him staying healthy. Slim down for the home stretch, but do whatever you need to do to make it through the season.
There's no way you actually typed that and still sent it. His explosiveness is not why he's getting injured. His explosiveness is an asset. The problem is HE'S FAT AND LAZY! More weight is not going to help anything
@@ThomasTheTankEngine22 last yr when he got hurt he wasn't fat, he was in peak condition and he still got hurt.
Like dude, he's on the floor. Let enough be enough for the time being.
@@brandongaspard1738 if you think last season he was "in peak condition" then you're expectations are low... Clearly
@@ThomasTheTankEngine22no, I just want him on the floor. Let him accomplish one thing at a time. He's healthy, and playing, FINALLY, and now all he hears is stupid mfs like yourself talk about he's too big. He was getting hurt when he was slimmed down, so OBVIOUSLY that's not the key even though everyone thinks it is.
Zion going to make more money 💰 then both of these guys put together and chances are he’ll get another contract after this one it’s just modern day NBA 😊
Imagine give this guys time to play Zion, Ingram, Big C , Rondo and you add one pure shooter that can defend this team will go to playoff easy and can be the team to beat in west
There is a big difference in that Shaq grew into his size whereas Zion was born that way
Who can relate to Zion but maybe Boogie, Shaq, Chuck, Bron.
Accountability....zion has to want it.. u cannot want it for him.. he has to want it for his self...🤷🏾♂️...
These kids aren't listening to vets because they are 24 and already got the bag... they have no motivation...alot of these players dont love the game.. they love the glitz and glamor it brings
Seems like ppl care about his conditioning more than him. He’s a grown ass man, dude is in his 5th season. If he wants it bad enough, then he’ll figure it out.
Lebron said Rondo is one of the most intelligent basketball minds. It shows in this clip.
Zion need to watch this older generation didn’t have this vets giving you the blueprint listen
Players get guaranteed max contracts before they’ve been to the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Either you pay them or another team, maybe within the same conference, will
max deals should be 2 years and based on performance....
Zion is still maturing, he needs guidance and I feel the organization has let him down. Zion does need to walk more cause that’s easy cardio. But the organization should condition Zion better if he is running outta steam, diet can only help performance so much, if the stamina isn’t there.
The fuck you want them to do? You want them to spoon feed this motherfucker? He is a grown man. He needs to act like a grown man. He's been told what he needs to do since he got into the league. The only person that's failing him is him. And this mindset you got his reason why nothing has changed. Y'all keep babying grown ass men
Goofy comment. The org is doing everything to help. It’s a two way street.
Boogie, talking about discipline…..that’s rich .-.
I think he fully understands the concept since the lack of, may have hurt him in his early career
What Boogie said. Stop stretching the Ingram and Zion experiment. Zion is the franchise. Surround him with pieces that fit instead of just a bunch of talent. I like McCollum but they need a point guard. Ingram is talented but he's not a seamless fit next to Zion. Jonas can play but a defensive, stretch big would be ideal next to Zion. They have a bunch of assets they can trade for a complimentary star or to free up minutes for Hawkins and Murphy or something. It's as if they're holding on to the pieces that don't fit next to Zion to sabotage his career. His weight aside, he's producing at an all-time pace. Just surround him with pieces that compliment him.
THANK YOU. just because they are good players doesn't mean they're the right players to surround him with. Hawkins and Murphy, honestly can replace CJ and Ingram. That allows the Pels to bring in other key pieces that they actually need, such as, like you said, a stretch big, that can play D. New Orleans is so scared of losing talent that they're holding on to something they shouldn't.
Zion's physical limitations don't allow him to be effective in certain defensive situations. There is NO REASON for Ingram to be as poor of a defender as he is other than lack of effort.
How can Zion be the franchise when he’s missed 50% of his career? Lmao and has continuously been called out for being unprofessional like not taking his diet seriously and falling asleep during team film meetings. He doesn’t even have the same bounce as he did his Duke year either
Listen up, everybody: This isn’t about what’s best for Zion and his future. This is all about what value Zion can bring to the Pelicans, the NBA, the corporate sponsors, the leaches and the fans. At the end of the day, it’s his life. Personally, I love watching him play! He’s box office every single time he’s on the court. However, I think we’re all being a bit disingenuous when it comes to Zion’s personal health and welfare. Yes, he’s being paid millions to perform and that’s just part of the deal, I get it. Nevertheless, he’s a human being and maybe he just wants to do things “his way.” I wish he would get on a nutritional plan and report to work in great shape but it’s his life and I think we should just enjoy what he’s doing and allow this thing to play itself out. If by the time he’s 30 and he eats himself out the league, so be it. Life goes on.
Don't take the money, if you don't want the spotlight.
@@demondwilliams8542 , I totally agree. Don’t get me wrong, I’m just as frustrated about the situation as any other fan, however, he’s a 23 year old man that needs to be held in check! The organization is doing a poor job in doing that. If it were me running the organization I’d trade him; let him eat himself out of shape some place else. The Pelicans extended this guy so I don’t necessarily feel sorry for them for signing him. Zion and his weight has been an ongoing problem since his days at Duke. So, they knew what they were getting themselves into when they drafted him.
@@demondwilliams8542 , the problem is we think they can change people. We try to save people who don’t want to be saved. Zion doesn’t want to be saved so leave him right where he is.
@@jbissaintheExactly. If you've done everything you can to help that person out and still don't want it, it's out of your hands at that point. At the end of the day each one of us is still responsible for our own lives and actions.
Good point.
Zion got vets on that team cj Larry nance and jv he got vets and he said there helding him accountable
But those aren’t the guys that get on your ass. They are laid back type guys. I think they mean a Charles Oakley or Kobe type who are unafraid .
Espn did Rachel a favor. They are in the gutter and she’s still well respected.
Why isn't Boogie in the NBA
Because his knees and achilles are out of commission
rondo talking about leadership is rich....
Rondo sick
I get the Lakers game was awful. They were all awful and clearly hung over. The high scorer had 14 pts and wasn't even a starter. In the 9 games before the Kings win in the quarterfinals they were 7-2 in the games he played in and he averaged 25, 5 rebounds and 6 assists. He'll be alright but ultimately it's up to him whether he wants to be good or great.
Where is the heat on BI? I heard he had 9 points.
Maybe ZBo can help this man out.
Times Pic a Yune
Cousins looked like he's in prison.
Brotherhood is everything
Ummm Grant Hill, Shane Battier, Jay Williams, etc….
4 hours of film after a game is more than the coach
Zion needs a vet they right, really he needs bron
god damn i mean yeah but look who is talking. can we 1st get ''an honest conversation'' about Cousins, he was Zion but instead of food it was locker room cancer, and all we got from him later was something like Ben Simons on JJ podcast
This is one of the downsides to having a super young locker room. I think you need some old vets, preferably that were/are superstars. Some people need to be pushed. It's clear Zion isn't self motivated and clearly isn't being motivated from within. But he doesn't have an older statesmen around to push his ass. Charles Barkley for instance, he has that famous story about how Moses Malone told him he was fat and lazy and encouraged him to lose weight and it literally changed the trajectory of Barkley's career.
yup. Barkley had Moses Malone and Dr J
But other greats, they just got it. Bird. MJ. Magic had Kareem and Bird as motivation, lol.
I miss that about the NBA. Why I appreciated the Pacers signing James Johnson.
Zion already got the bag... what is his motivation at this point? He obviously doesn't care.
Pelicans should sign ibaka or jeff green or sumn… shiddd james johnson woukdve worked
Zion doesn't want to be in New Orleans that's the long and short of it, the pels have to move Zion you'll see a new Zion once he's in a situation he wants to go to.
Don’t push that narrative. He has arguably one of the deepest bench in the leagues with elite shooters, all NBA defender in Herb Jones, Ascending stars in BI and Trey Murphy, vet leadership in CJ. What more can a dude ask for.
Bring in Blake griffin
That’s actually not a bad idea .
At some point isn’t it fair to just say Zion is not that interested in being the best player he can be? Like maybe he just doesn’t care and there’s nothing you can do
Zion has veterans on his team