The Fan That Cost His Club Promotion
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For some fans, their club is the most important thing in their life, which would make it a nightmare to actually influence your clubs results in a negative way. But, that is exactly what happened to Bordeaux in the second division of France. A giant of the French leagues that was denied a chance a promotion because of fan actions.
I won’t repeat the video for you here but I’m sure you’re curious. The curiosity must be absolutely driving you crazy. Or maybe, you’re only mildly interested, in which case I may tell you that the guy who caused all of these problems was not actually from Bordeaux and ended up hurting his hometown club as well as his adopted club in the process. Call that a two-for-one!
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Sucks for the Annecy fans. A guy from your town that doesn’t even support your team messes up your chances. That’s gotta be a blow. I liked their story and kits too.
To add salt to the wound, Annecy was safe from relegation until Laval, another relegation candidate, scored a late winning goal during extra time.
Got hired by them in my current journeyman save in FM23 and got them promoted to Ligue 1 before leaving. Very cool kits and the stadium and the city of Annecy itself are very cool in the French Alps
Idk if this is legit, but I just looked and apparently, another team, Sochaux, who were mid-table last time I checked, just got relegated due to financial issues. So Annecy are still in Ligue 2 apparently?
Then again it is Wikipedia that said so.
@@epicdjyoshi648Sochaux was very badly managed since Peugeot sold it in 2014, they have spent much more money than the average for the second division just to try to get promoted this year, but the bad environment made them go down from battle for 2nd place to mid-table in a month... Now they have huge debts, are likely going to bankrupt and are so very likely confirmed to be at least relegated down one division, which means Annecy is very likely still in second division next year.
@@clashgoneofficial Sochaux's relegation to the National 1 has been confirmed, but Annecy might still get screwed regardless, as it seems they'll use the excuse of the Ligue 2's planned reduction to 18 teams to not reinstate them and play with 19 teams next season.
This has to be one of the craziest promotion denials ever
I know! For what its worth I think they did the right thing? Failing to control fans is Bordeaux's responsibility. Thats how I'd see it. Incredibly harsh on them but...?
I'm afraid I have to disagree. Brazilian Series B, 2006 season. Grêmio vs Náutico faced each other in the last round of a group of 4. Grêmio had 4 sent off, was close to losing by insufficient number of players because of a questionable penalty which led to a mess that literally lasted the entire second half, the Grêmio goalkeeper saved it and two shots later, Grêmio scored the goal that would give him access back to Série A.Magic made by a boy that Manchester United and Porto fans know as Anderson.
Interesting detail: The other game was on the same day, in the same city, at the same time, about 10 kilometers apart. All four involved (Grêmio, Náutico, Portuguesa and Santa Cruz) had a chance of being promoted. Only Portuguesa had no chance of being champion.
To be honest, we saw some crazy denials from the financial consultants of the LFP these last 20 years. Bordeaux 's denial is not the craziest. Find some english sources about Luzenac's promotion in Ligue 2. The lawsuit lasted 6 years...
@@arthurgeillon4853 you’ve piqued my curiosity lol
Nah, they would have had to win by 5 clear goals to be promoted. So unless they win 6-1 it wouldn’t have mattered for them.
I’m à Bordeaux fan and to be honest, this guy did not cost us promotion. In this situation we had to win 5-1 to be promoted lol
But he did manage to relegate his home town team xD
@@frochiI was at the stadium this day I know
hope your team gets their glory days back, i still remember how strong Bordeaux during the late 90, sylvian Wiltord and ali bernabia are their best players
@@gege3877 Why did you shove those players?
@@lilianehuggett1564 it wasn't him that shoved them, those ppl were taken into custody
funny thing is Annecy was saved from relegation as it seems Sochaux were relegated due to financial issues
Not yet actually. First Sochaux made appeal to the decision and are selling players to improve their finances so they are likely to remain in Ligue 2. Plus with the translation from 20 to 18 teams in Ligue 2 next year, if a club is relegated for administrive reasons, no club from below will be brought up but instead Ligue 2 will play with 19 teams and have 3 relegation places instead of 4. So it would take a miracle for Annecy to be in Ligue 2 next year.
@@cedricdepollier4095 That definitely does makes sense, thank you for enlightening me lmao
Wycombe Wanderers fans annoyed that teams with financial issues in France get their punishment given between season is applied to the season just gone where the issues took place, rather than the next season like what happens in England!
@@cedricdepollier4095 I am extremely worried about Annecy. Because the leaders seem to have gone mad! They are the ones who declared themselves "maintained in Ligue 2" after the decision against Sochaux of the Federation. The Federation ABSOLUTELY NOT said that Annecy was maintained.
I say to myself: is Annecy capable of refusing to play in National 1?
It already happened a few years ago, with Luzenac, who had been refused the promotion to Ligue 2 for administrative reasons, who had refused this and decided NOT to play the National 1 season, and who finished. .. In the seventh division, quite simply.
@@vincesalamander5980 My main concern is about the finances of the club if it prepares as if it was still in Ligue 2 while ending up being relegated to National 1. It will certainly cause huge deficit to a club who turned professional one year ago...
I don't think I've ever seen a clearer example of "actions have consequences" in my entire life.
Dude ran onto the field to be a jerk and shove a player, no big deal in his mind. Instead he sent someone to the hospital, kept the team he was shoving up, kept HIS OWN team down, and even relegated his hoke town team for good measure.
Jesus H Christ that's what I call karma
I would pay to see the reaction on his face while the police are telling him this whilst he's sitting in a jail cell. All the karma in his life built up to that moment
Thank you Zealand for the video. As a french L2 writer, i want to add something : the rules of both professionnal divisions in France says that the last 2 games of the season cannot be replayed if they are abandonned. If Bordeaux succeeded to replay, it would've been the first time in the history of both L2 and L1. Annecy also can't be saved because the rules added in 2021 says that any team can be saved until 2025, after the leagues reduction into 18 teams . So they soon have to prepare to play in the 3rd division again, one year after their promotion
Sorry for my poor english, i"m a oui oui baguette
Can you explain again the 2021 rule about a team not being able to be saved? I didn’t understand.
@@AlexRN Because of the new L1/L2 format (from 20 to 18 teams), the LFP decided to add a rule in the rulebook in 2021. It says that during the 2022/2023 and 2023/2024 seasons, no team can be saved from relegation if another one is expelled from professional leagues. So Annecy can't be saved if Sochaux is expelled from L2 next Tuesday. Only the Court of State or the CAS can overrule this
@@arthurgeillon4853 thanks for the clarification.
@@arthurgeillon4853did they go to court? Because they got saved and are still in L2.
Being French and listening Zealand repeat again and again French city names and "Ligue 1", "Ligue 2" makes this vid hillarious
I was gonna say the same thing, I'm dying rn
I’m English and speak a bit of French. I also found it hilarious.
It's even funnier that he corrected himself with the pronunciation of Rodez but not with Metz (which we say "mess", like this last season's day) xD
@@dreamelf666 OMG I didn't notice but it's hilarous xD
@@Warihoz Yeah, as french, it is :) That must be the same for americans when they hear french say "Nouille Ork" instead of New York X'D
you should check the story of fortaleza fc from brazil, that team stayed in the 3th division for 8 years while beforehand being a second division that every now and then promoted to the first, and now are for the second year in a roll at copa libertadores and looking to be at copa libertadores yet again this year with the most solid project in the country and a incredible manager, it is quite the story to cover
Well, that's my club!
If Zealand embarks that, I be pleased to help!
@@lucaspereiramartins1485 never beating the Ceará little brother allegations
Honestly, kudos to the French football association for reacting like this.
Simply waving your finger and telling them it's bad won't stop those idiotic """fans""" from treating the beautiful game like shit.
I do feel sorry for the Bordeaux players, staff and fans, but deeds like this cannot be ignored any longer.
Emotions, both positive and negative, are part of football. Violence isn't.
Well there are also doubts about the Rodez player faking the injury to avoid playing the 70 minutes left. But Bordeaux deserves to be penalized just for having failed to keep the players safe that's for sure.
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@@cedricdepollier4095 it doesn't matter if he faked it or not, the home club has to facilitate safe grounds for players, teams and fans.
@@juve9le4csdid you read the second half of his comment or just get upset over the first half?
@@YoungCoconuttt I'm not french nor supporting any of the teams.
imagine being that guy, you got so pissed that you pushed a player which cost BOTH your team to get RELEGATED and another team to not go up! absolutely wild, that guy got karma in the perfect form
its not even karma you can't prove that guy was a FCGB fan
@@furaxas6282 no I mean he was an Annecy fan (probably) and got them relegated and also got another team (which I'm not saying he's a fan of, but he was at their game tho) not promoted
@@furaxas6282 I am from Annecy and I can guarantee you this guy was truly a FCGB fan. Even the supporter's association he belonged to published an apology for the F up made by their member.
Thank you Zealand for yet another video. A pitch invasion cost Las Palmas a promotion to La Liga, you might wanna look into that. Also, since you love back-to-back promotions, try looking into Eldense's recent years. Best,
Updated title: The fan that cost his club its existence
I'll preface this by saying that I am a Bordeaux fan and ultra so I might be biased.
To me, the decision of the ligue is not good, but not for Bordeaux. What seems unfair to me is that the one getting punished is Annecy and not Bordeaux. Let's be honest, we were not going to ligue 1 because of that goal from Rodez, so we were not affected, but Bordeaux could have tried to win, and in the process, relegating Rodez.
What seems fair to me would have been to replay the game, because we can't continue a game from the moment it was stopped, it's a dumb rule but okay, and removing a ponit for Bordeaux so that they wouldn't be able to go to ligue 1, but not affecting Annecy in the process. What seems unfair also to a lot of fans is the fact that Bordeaux is made an exemple of despite the fact that other violent actions took place this year or the previous ones and the teams did not get hit as hard.
Lastly, the whole thing looks weird from a fan perspective. The guy from Rodez is said to have had a concussion, but certain sources during the game are saying that he went to the hospital, but other later sources state that the protocol concussion was not respected and the guy went back in the bus with his team and not to the hospital, so it reasly looks like a team trying to stay in ligue 2 without playing it on the field and a player "faking it". Then again, Bordeaux fan, might not be the most objective person out here, would be curious to here other people's opinion on it!
You could Talk about Osasuna, how they have been prevented from playing in Europe due to a 2013 case
I am a supporter from Rodez, such a small club even for french standards (I live in the small region of Aveyron in which Rodez is located)... The club fought so incredibly well for the second part of the season... I was so happy when Buades scored the goal. Then so scared when we learnt we could have been relegated while still winning the match at the time Buades scored.
I am so grateful that we maintained, even though it would have been better to earn it by doing a full match
Buades a fait semblant c’est une honte
@@gege3877 parle de honte si tu veux, je constate que la justice et la LFP ont pris leur décision, et que pour eux la honte se trouvait ce jour là du côté Bordelais... Je comprends que t'aies le seum mais on peut pas agresser un joueur de l'équipe adverse comme un gros rageux sans conséquences (c'est d'ailleurs un peu la morale promulguée par Zealand dans cette vidéo)
Mais bonne prochaine saison en L2, ça promet d'être intéressant ;)
Bro literally injured a man, broke the hopes and dreams of his hometown club and his favourite club with one single push.
Zealand, been following Rodez this year, think a save of them would be great, some of their younger players are ballers, Serge Philippe Raux, Killian Corredor, Younassa too
The guy pushed his hometown team of the cliffs, literally
In all fairness, Rodez needed 3 points to survive relegation so weren't going to make it easy for Bordeaux (after Sochaux entered administration, 17th place was reprieved from relegation, so this made it irrelevant but they didn't know it at the time), and Bordeaux needed to win by 5 goals so needed to score 6. Realistically, it wasn't happening, but the headline that a fan stopped their own team getting promoted or got their hometown team relegated will get way more clicks
No, the relegation of Sochaux did not make anything at all useless. The Federation had warned in 2021: with Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 going from 20 to 18 clubs, no draft will take place.
It was Annecy, all alone, who declared himself "maintained in Ligue 2"
This story is still not over!
How an athlete can be knocked out by a random 45yo is still incomprehensible to me. Was that guy was a feather or what?
This is easily one of craziest football stories I’ve ever heard. I genuinely burst out into laughter when you said the guy who invaded the pitch was originally from Annecy. Impeccable storytelling 👍🏾
In France, my country, this story continues to unleash.
And it is not Bordeaux, the club whose supporter has cost the rise that screams the most, but Annecy, the club that is relegated by the maintenance of Rodez.
But it's surreal: the club has decided to file a complaint for "corruption" believing that the decision to give victory on the green carpet to Rodez is a punishment for them, and the leaders of the club have self-declared "maintained in Ligue 2" after the administrative relegation of Sochaux to National 1, even though Sochaux appealed and anyway, the statutes of Ligue 2 provide that no team will be drafted, even if another is liquidated (since the Ligue 2 will soon go from 20 to 18 clubs anyway)
In short, business to follow!
I think these informative mini docs are honestly my favorite videos on TH-cam
Update: Annecy hasn't been relegated because another club (FCSM) has been financialy relegated from L2 to regional division
dam bro my uncle is a sochaux fan😂😂
They got saved
Pleasantly surprised to see you have hyderabad fc jersey . Really random . Is there any reason for that ?.asking because It is my hometown club
Reminds me of the Danish fan who stormed the pitch and attacked the ref in a Euro 2008 qualifier game against Sweden. Denmark had come back to 3-3 after being down 0-3. In the end, Sweden were awarded the win, leaving Denmark with no possibility of qualifying. The guy later said he had been drunk to the point of having no memories of the event
As a french, your pronounciations of the different clubs and cities are hilarious. But keep going, this is so funny.
That is some seriously convoluted karma! Did the fan get arrested who shoved Lucas Buades who got a concussion? That's assault, but I don't know anything about how French law works. You mentioned that there were four arrests made, but I don't know if it included that guy.
I know a lot of people might think that concussions are not a big deal, they happen every day, and athletes need to be prepared to deal with that kind of risk.
Even seemingly simple-looking concussions, that are the result of low speed and little force, can have life-altering consequences and can even be fatal. Look up Liam Neeson's wife Natasha Richardson's death, if you don't believe me.
I hope the concussed player Lucas Buades recovers fully. 🙏
Thank you very much for the video! I love your jersey idea to support smaller clubs in more obscure-to-people-in-Europe-and-N-America areas!
Zealand wearing Hyderabad FC Jersey was unexpected
Though 65 Usd for this 💀 its like 15-20 dollars on their store
Shipping not included i guess
best sponsor ever you make ad for a good company thanks for suporting small club !
i think my new greatest fear in life is ending up on a zealand thumbnail with words pointing to me
Wait.....is it only me or that guy snapped his head by just a slight push, he was even held by a teammates so the push should be vs 2 football players.... ? im i missing smth?
Annecy getting relegated in this fashion is especially remarkable given they made the Semifinal of the Coupe de France, losing by one goal, and beating Marseille along the way. In an alternate reality they could've played in the Europa League and the french 3rd tier next season.
Doing a wigan athletic like 2013 that would be funny I wanted Southampton to win the league Cup to play conference league football in the championship
I miss that Bordeaux with cavenaghi,gourcouff,chamakh ,it was a hell of team
This also has a possible repercussion for a few British teams.
A number of English teams and Rangers have been linked with Josh Maja who will be available on a free due to the non promotion of Bordeaux
👏👏👏 bravo, to Zealand, for the french prononciations... As a non-native fluent french speaker, I can tell you that you done well.
Well, if the game was ended prematurely the score should be 1-0 to Rodez, as it was when it was stopped
Looks like that's what happened. Correct decision
I don't think its a correct decision because anyone can go on the pitch and fuck whatever club on the last day and they still were 70 minutes to play
@@furaxas6282 I don't like it either, that's the rule
of course, if a team is winning 1-0 and purposely causes the game to be stopped they'll probably be given a loss by the FA
edit, to clarify:
all of this is regarding the referee's report. my bad on that
the rule I'm speaking of is that the ref must give the result at the time as final to the FA. from then on, it depends
This fan is gonna be remembered everywhere he goes for all the wrong reasons
Now hearing about this situation today, I'd like to bring up that Annecy did manage to survive and be spared from relegation due to Sochaux collapsing financially. FCSM were relegated instead of Annecy due to this.
Currently, after 19 Ligue 2 games, Rodez are actually *above* Bordeaux, Bordeaux are struggling in 13th, and Annecy are in the relegation zone in 17th.
Looks like that fan might still lose some more even after Annecy's sparing.
Bordeaux resident here, while I don’t support the club I’m satisfied with this decision.
It’s not the first time, nor will it be the last, that a club receives a penalty because of their fans.
This needs to be a possibility in football manager! … Hell, I’ve tried, that one of my players got cancer… only happened once, and I haven’t seen or heard anyone else getting that.
for anyone thinking this is crazy, please look at las palmas-cordoba 2014 playoff final to la liga… still haunts me 🥲
Enjoyed this content. More please
Here there are still debates on if Buades was really injured or not. And Annecy is on a crusade against Rodez, Buades, and the LFP. Even stating that Ligue 2 should be played Ith 21 teams next season. Or that Sochaux financial issues should get them relegated in third division and Annecy saved in second division
Just for an easy french pronunciation correction, Metz is actually pronounced "Mess" just like this last Ligue2 game day.
Other easy ones:
Pau = Po
Rodez = RRRodezz
Edit: pronunciation for Ligue1/Ligue2 *chef kiss
I've played FM since 2019, after promoting Wealdstone FC all the way to sky bet 2 in 5 years, Bordeaux took an interest in me and gave me a chance to be the hc.... I gave them a promotion and Europa league qualification in 4 years before I left for Lazio. The time I had in Bordeaux was amazing since this was my first ever fm save, I managed to brought old benzema to the club until he retired there. Remi Oudin, Yacine Adli, and Laurent K..... it saddened me to see Bordeaux fell like this.
Pau is pronounced 'Po'. French is not Spanish and so 'au' makes an indentical sound to the letter 'o'…
If it were in Spain it would be pronounced 'Pa-ou' though
Seeing this video right after i started my Bordeaux save is crazy.
This was really interesting. You would never hear about this on the major networks that’s for sure. Expect in France
The last matchday of Ligue 2 is the best football event of the whole year every year you should never miss it
Hi! In one of my saves i noticed that when the "team leader" of the players group was sold during the winter transfer window, even if he was not a regular starter, the team begun to underperform until a new team leader emerged! Can you try and verify it? The team was of an average dynamic.
Definitely Karma, I love your spin on these stories Zealand!
Great video 👏
Can you do a video on fernando diniz relationism style tactics at fluminense? Would love to see your take on it and how it could be used in FM. Also if its even possible to recreate in FM
Have anyone noticed he wore a HyderabadFC jersey 😊🇮🇳
He mentions it in the video
No...until he literally whipped out an entire ad read about it 😂
Annecy will actually remain in L2 after DNCG decision to relegate Sochaux despite their 9th position.
No, Sochaux appealed the decision and are selling players to improve their finances so they are likely to remain in Ligue 2 and Annecy to National.
The French Bartman 😂
Not sure about your title… I mean Bordeaux was so down in goal difference by that point even if they won. I’m slightly confused on why they stopped the game though. Like were they worried about a riot of what? What rule is there that if some guy pushes a player the game is over? And the ref implied that it was the players concussion that was the deciding factor? Like if he wasn’t concussed they would have kept playing?
To be fair Bordeaux would’ve need to win 5-1 in order to be promoted so in the grand scheme of things it wasn’t that important
I was actually kind sad about their new format when I found out about it, cause wanted Auxerre to stay up, To which they would have if the league wasn't changing lol.
True, I wish it had stayed the same too, but I'm so glad it was Auxerre who got relegated instead of my beloved Nantes. It would have been so hard to follow Nantes next season if they'd got relegated, since coverage of Ligue 2 in the UK isn't as good as coverage is of Ligue 1.
Football stadiums really need better security
But in a bigger twist, Sochaux, who finished 6th, were relegated due to administration, which means Annecy will not be relegated!
Pushed to the ground on grass and he goes to the hospital...... Bruh... Football players need milk
Haha I wonder if that guy is still enjoying his life in Annecy given that fans will have figured out where his house is. I wouldn't sell him any baguettes if I lived there!
Player shushes home crowd, gets mildly shoved and immediately flops to the ground and calls for an ambulance… what a pathetic excuse of a player.
he was concussed
@@thomasdoserandomstuff3795 yeah because he flopped to the ground not because the shove was actually strong. Entirely his fault.
Best decision they couldve made
I do not condone the action the fan took but damn that shove looked soft af XD And then we are hearing afterwards he got concussed and went to the hospital. That fan must be scared to walk the streets this summer!
its the fall, not the shove
Zealand explained it quite well in the video - getting shoved when you have no reason to expect getting shoved will throw you off balance. And when you got a team mate hugging you, bracing for impact is another issue.
But ultimately, it's not about the injury, nor about the fan. If a team can't guarantee safety on the field, they have no leg to stand on with any appeal.
@@DrZaius3141 I understand. It is the fact that the fan was able to get to him in the first place. However I think it is a harsh punishment for the club but should deter future actions by fans towards players.
Agreed, dont be that guy
Surely Annecy would have very strong grounds to push via legal means against this mess, it almost feels like the entire farce was made specifically to screw them
Should have been concluded behind closed doors, yet violence shouldn’t be tolerated either.
There is also Ligue 3 Starting from next Season
This is like the most obvious decision. Obviously you dont replay the game
Crazy timing. I just got FC Annecy promoted to Ligue 1 in my current journeyman save. Passionate fanbase in game and irl I see😂😂
No one:
Zealand: Ligue Uuh, Ligue Duuuh
Can you maybe make a video about the rise of ainfootball TH-camrs? I started to get so many recommendations of similar videos by generic named channels, with very AI sounding titles. And when I made a bit research in to things stated in one, it was completely false
yooooo zealand rocking the hyderabad fc kit
The player should be booked, simulation. It’s laughable
Im not surprised that both Annecy and Bordeaux fans are putting money on his head.
Get my hometown team relegated?
*laughs in MLS while shoving Messi*
Imagine if a Liverpool fan disguised himself as an Everton fan & got them relegated doing exactly the same thing what would go wrong?
But Bordeaux would need to win at least 6-1 to get promoted…. I would argue that this is a bit of click baiting by you Zealand
Yet Annecy could still stay in with the Sochaux administrative relegation? Just wild
From where did you buy Hyderabad fc Jersey...isl club from our India
There's something I'll never forget about all of this:
Ligue unghh and ligue dogh
This sucks man...what if I as a football team hire a bunch of people to shout racist slurs or pitch invade or something just to hurt the other team?
Sure it happened...make the team pay for damages,fines whatever...but not playing the game at all and giving them a loss is anti-football
I heard the fan whos' push took out two people and hospitalised one person was offered a contract by Dana White.
deserved for bordeaux tbh
as a French guy listens to Zealand pronounce French words is my passion (he is doing pretty good by the way)
It wouldn't have made a difference though?
Is FC Annecy also known as Evian Thonon Gaillard?
Glad he got arrested, hope he serves time for it, give him a lifetime ban as well
Is that the Hyderabad FC kit?
i have no connection to french football, but why wouldn't you say that the shoving was not enough for a man to get a concoction and there was no proper medical evaluation of him. it pretty well spoken about on a gab and jules podcast on espn
Go away comrade. “Concoction?”
More like: *The Guy That Costs His Hometown Club Relegation*
The guy who did this for his club wont be able to ever go into watch his home team play again 😂 mostly everyone will want to shove him around to make him realize how much of a fool he was
What happened to jack Whitehall!!?
Now I understand the riots, thanks Z.
I love Zealands attempt at french 😂
That man must have be the most hated person in bordeaux right now
Good Hyderabad FC jersey Zealand!