Oh man... These souped up Porsches are so much fun to drive in a city where 35 mph is the speed limit!! Its crazy!!! They are specially worth the price because they look exactly (but more douchy) than a regular GT3!!!! AWESOME!!!!
@Desmonddd2002 yes, I have heard that...the case: total cost of ownership is very reasonable given the whole cycle of ownership. There is something else, not often talked about: The German makers, (Porsche, BMW, Mercedes) were always brilliant at not undercutting their own designs. A 1968 Cadillac looks ancient today, but a 1968 Porsche 911 still looks very contemporary given that it is 43 years old! Likewise, BMW Baveria's. They develop a design, not outdate it out of existance.
@gurlsingerfan by saying "people keep buying them" it will also imply that it has an arguably larger second hand market which makes its depreciation livable. Therefore you don't actually pay that much compared to another country's car for the best quality. and they are really good.
@kagolko Dude it is not all about a fraction of a second quicker from 0-60, the main difference between the gt2 and the gt3 is that the gt2 is turboed and the gt3 is naturally aspirated, some people like this because it is a purer experience and it is also higher revving.
@irishgandalf757 the GT2 RS is twinturbocharged, where the GT3 RS is NA (Naturally Aspirated) from the reviews i've seen, the GT2 RS is like an unleashed beast, while the GT3 RS is more poise ... that's what i can tell you really, without bothering with mechanical stuff ..
@hondacar There are spy videos out on the new one already. The change is even more subtle than from the 996 to the 997, with a slightly wider track and some revised headlights. It's hard to tell exactly how it'll look because they've got a bit of camouflage but expect it to look like a 911. And dated or not, it's got the best aerodynamics in the supercar business (drag coefficient around 0.28 vs 0.31 from Ferrari's lowest-drag car) and I think they look great.
@gurlsingerfan finally someone agrees with me on Porsche; everyone blabs about how we get the same thing every year from Porsche, but if it is not broken, don't fix it!
@pfflyer15 Oddly enough, I was just watching a clip from Fellini's great film,,,"8 1/2"...in the film Marcello Mastroianni and Claudia Cardinale step out of a theatre, and there on the curb, her car...a Porsche 356. Even in black and white, the pure shape, the pure idea of the thing...so pretty, so perfectly right. In shades of black and white, Claudia Cardinale standing with a 356 in the background behind her, every fashion photographer since has wanted a shot that pretty, that timeless. :-)
@gurlsingerfan have you considered that because its over priced people will likely to buy it 2nd hand (if you have kept it in a good condition and it is the right model with the right specs), which means that the depreciation of German Cars are much less then other cars like Hyundais, Alfas, and even japanese cars. Therefore theoretically you only pay a little more to get the best quality in the world, because as you sed the first hand price is so high, the 2nd hand market will always be there?
@dragonforce28000 its all up to your personal taste the mclaren has more curb appeal and is a little bit more flamboyant. they're both magnificent cars, this is more a purist car.
I keep asking myself how Porsche can make a finer car than the 997 series. These cars have now been refined and perfected to such a point that it is hard to imagine a more perfect sportscar, a more perfect Porsche. But everytime I have assumed Porsche could not do better than they have already done I have been wrong. We'll see...The 4 liter seems to be just the perfection of an idea that goes back to 1948 and earlier: Take one great idea and refine it, refine it, refine it...to Perfection
And the thing is that in their M3 GTS vs the normal GT3 feature video,the GT3 pulled away easily,so this faster version of the already quick GT3 RS would instantly leave the BMW in centuries.
When he said $135,000, he was talking about pounds or something (though he had a right handed driving test car). The GT3 RS cost $250,000, and probably cost more now. The regular GT3 starts at $130-$135000 (Porsche's almost always ending costing a lot more), with the RS (3.8) starting over $150-$160,000
@igotnoideawhattoput I have heard that argument made many times. and it seems hard to overcome, but... History has not born out the argument that a mid engine Porsche has been better than the rear engine 911 (most folks still prefer the 911 over the Boxster or the Cayman), or that a front engine Porsche would be better (most folks still much prefer 911's to 924's, 944's or 928's. I love the Cayman, but the 911's still seem to be in a special place in comparison....
@gurlsingerfan yeah thats true like very very few american cars would be desirable today (i admit that there is like a mustang or something) but if you consider Alfas, old Mercedes, old Jaguars, ferraris, even old lancias they are still very much desirable today.....
@rafa281 What amuses me is that critics can explain why the rear engined 911 is a terrible technical idea but harder to explain how the car has been successful (even legendary) for decade after decade as a sports car, sports racing car, rally car, and all round art piece, desired by well informed racers, sportscar enthusiasts and connoisseurs around the globe. How does one explain it? Can this many people be wrong for this many decades? The design just FEELS RIGHT, LOOKS RIGHT, and WORKS.
@gurlsingerfan To be honest, the 4.0 is an example of Porsche continuously refining a bad idea until they reach perfection. Just wait until 2050 when the Cayman has had as much engineering as the current 911. That will be true perfection.
id like them to keep the 911 and replace the back seats with the engine. CAN U IMAGINE how awesome they would become? i know its famous for the RR but times have changed. If they keep the RR layour it will be still good. but it wont be able to handle those newer MR supercars that are coming up.
490 some odd naturally aspirated horses.... Most favorite Porsche ever and looks to stay that way if the 991's are any indication. Not that they aren't amazing but won't be as raw (and auto? Only)
@FenderUsa No double clutch transmission. Heavy steel chassis. Basic downforce implementation. Flawed weight distribution etc. A 458I is more advanced in every aspect.
I have heard of rumours of a Flat-8 engine but I imaginge that would make the car overall inefficient over the Flat-6 engines in terms of fuel economy and performance.
@gweflj dated? this is the best type of sports car, not driving aids or comfort, just pure lightweight performance, just you an the car and nothing else!..i dont see how its flawed in any way?
@MrDas275 - so it's same like with LFA. people like it because it's pure engine and gearbox. no turbos and shit. OK than. Thanks a lot for explaining!!!
@marshknute 2050 ya say? I would be 91 years old then,,,,if I make it that long I will give it a test drive! :-) By the way, I am not one of the 911 fans who will beat up on the Cayman, I think it is a wonderful bit of work, I thought they got the styling just right on it, a bit retro but not too much....it is just that the 911's are in a different realm realy, as much technological art pieces as cars.
@gurlsingerfan well they could finally admit the engine is in the wrong place. things have moved on the last 60 years, you don't see modern formule one cars with the engine in the front, and no downforce. don't get me wrong, porsche did a great job of perfecting an outdated idea.
To anyone touting a Ferrari 458 over this car. Do you actually own any Ferrari's or Porsche's? I actually own a 911 Turbo and an acquainted with owners of Ferrari's. I'm impressed with the excitement and thrills Ferrari offers, but Porsche has equal performance and better reliability, everyday driveability, and cost of ownership.
Well...the GT3 in Florida, USA, runs about 135,000 dollars, so i don't think is so expensive...in Germany, this car probably runs about 60k euros which is about 80k dollars and that is not that expensive in Germany and 135k here neither for a very nice car.
@Mclaren3054 You didnt get my sarcasm..... The Jag is "better" than the porsche coz its a british car and autocar are more lenient to british cars. The XFR got 5 stars whereas the Nissan GTR got 4.5 stars. They're doing it to help boost the british motor industry. I said the porsche isnt as good as the XFR coz its not a british car... It was a joke. Clearly it went right over your head
@gurlsingerfan Haha, was thinking the exact same thing after the second gen 996 GT3 RS, and then came the 997 GT3 RS and I said the same thing again, and then the gen 2 997 GT3 RS, and again... and now this. I don't know how Porsche does it but the important thing is that they do, and keep doing it. Go ahead Porsche, make the Cayenne, the Panamera, and even the 'Cajun' - it's all good if you keep making cars like this one.
@lived666 Agreed on the price, but I have learned the first 2 rules about German cars (I have owned 3). First rule, they are always, always, overpriced. Second rule, people keep buying them! So that is not exactly an incentive for the Germans to drop prices...:-)
Oh man... These souped up Porsches are so much fun to drive in a city where 35 mph is the speed limit!! Its crazy!!! They are specially worth the price because they look exactly (but more douchy) than a regular GT3!!!! AWESOME!!!!
I liked the explanation of the diff between boring and stroking and how that affected the torque curve.
Awesome review.
I love that you guys didnt succumb to the "Top Gear flashy camera" style like every other channel seems like. Kudos there.
@atami210 that they are, which means I don't want them to drastically change the look. Its that look and that chassis that's won over many.
I love this Porsche the best. No turbos, nice loud exhaust, and revs past 8000.
This has to be the purest driving experience available today!
@WhiteIceMan3 Yes, those straps are the "handles". It's a weight savings measure.
a great new channel to find
@Desmonddd2002 yes, I have heard that...the case: total cost of ownership is very reasonable given the whole cycle of ownership. There is something else, not often talked about: The German makers, (Porsche, BMW, Mercedes) were always brilliant at not undercutting their own designs. A 1968 Cadillac looks ancient today, but a 1968 Porsche 911 still looks very contemporary given that it is 43 years old! Likewise, BMW Baveria's. They develop a design, not outdate it out of existance.
way to tune out the wind noise guys! keep up the good work!
@AviTheBlader Cool your jets. I was saying that: "Finally, a car with a manual gearbox instead of some other form of changing gears."
Porsche does it again... What a gorgeous car.
@SaveNurburgring
There'll be quite a few ones on the used market, and if you have the money you can buy one now anyway!
@gurlsingerfan by saying "people keep buying them" it will also imply that it has an arguably larger second hand market which makes its depreciation livable. Therefore you don't actually pay that much compared to another country's car for the best quality. and they are really good.
@kagolko Dude it is not all about a fraction of a second quicker from 0-60, the main difference between the gt2 and the gt3 is that the gt2 is turboed and the gt3 is naturally aspirated, some people like this because it is a purer experience and it is also higher revving.
Porsche have added some extra cubes, love it!
@irishgandalf757 the GT2 RS is twinturbocharged, where the GT3 RS is NA (Naturally Aspirated)
from the reviews i've seen, the GT2 RS is like an unleashed beast, while the GT3 RS is more poise ...
that's what i can tell you really, without bothering with mechanical stuff ..
@hondacar There are spy videos out on the new one already. The change is even more subtle than from the 996 to the 997, with a slightly wider track and some revised headlights. It's hard to tell exactly how it'll look because they've got a bit of camouflage but expect it to look like a 911. And dated or not, it's got the best aerodynamics in the supercar business (drag coefficient around 0.28 vs 0.31 from Ferrari's lowest-drag car) and I think they look great.
@gurlsingerfan finally someone agrees with me on Porsche; everyone blabs about how we get the same thing every year from Porsche, but if it is not broken, don't fix it!
@Hostilenemy He said it was a 997, and that the next gen is due out next year. So, they are bringing out a bunch of special editions...
4 words...I JUST WANT ONE!! I just love the GT3,any GT3,it is the best car in the world.
@lived666 Do you feel that has been a major shortcoming in any real, or that it has hampered the cars performance?
@pfflyer15 Oddly enough, I was just watching a clip from Fellini's great film,,,"8 1/2"...in the film Marcello Mastroianni and Claudia Cardinale step out of a theatre, and there on the curb, her car...a Porsche 356. Even in black and white, the pure shape, the pure idea of the thing...so pretty, so perfectly right. In shades of black and white, Claudia Cardinale standing with a 356 in the background behind her, every fashion photographer since has wanted a shot that pretty, that timeless. :-)
Spectacularily good review.
It's a little less showy than the regular GT3 RS. I like that.
@gurlsingerfan have you considered that because its over priced people will likely to buy it 2nd hand (if you have kept it in a good condition and it is the right model with the right specs), which means that the depreciation of German Cars are much less then other cars like Hyundais, Alfas, and even japanese cars. Therefore theoretically you only pay a little more to get the best quality in the world, because as you sed the first hand price is so high, the 2nd hand market will always be there?
thumbs up if you would take on of these over a 458 Italia and Gallardo lp 570-4 superleggera
@Mclaren3054 ones a saloon car and the others a coupe.... look at the right hand side bar you'll see what im talking about
@dragonforce28000 its all up to your personal taste the mclaren has more curb appeal and is a little bit more flamboyant. they're both magnificent cars, this is more a purist car.
I keep asking myself how Porsche can make a finer car than the 997 series. These cars have now been refined and perfected to such a point that it is hard to imagine a more perfect sportscar, a more perfect Porsche. But everytime I have assumed Porsche could not do better than they have already done I have been wrong. We'll see...The 4 liter seems to be just the perfection of an idea that goes back to 1948 and earlier: Take one great idea and refine it, refine it, refine it...to Perfection
Would like to know your opinion on newer 991 and 992 generations
And the thing is that in their M3 GTS vs the normal GT3 feature video,the GT3 pulled away easily,so this faster version of the already quick GT3 RS would instantly leave the BMW in centuries.
sorry if this is a n00b question, but what are the differences between the GT2 RS and the GT3 RS is one more track orientated and the other more road?
@ilikenarutoalot The GT-R has 530hp not 550 and its turbocharged but this Porsche is naturally-aspirated.
When he said $135,000, he was talking about pounds or something (though he had a right handed driving test car). The GT3 RS cost $250,000, and probably cost more now.
The regular GT3 starts at $130-$135000 (Porsche's almost always ending costing a lot more), with the RS (3.8) starting over $150-$160,000
@Nightbird No it's not. He was driving a 997 415hp GT3.
@igotnoideawhattoput I have heard that argument made many times. and it seems hard to overcome, but... History has not born out the argument that a mid engine Porsche has been better than the rear engine 911 (most folks still prefer the 911 over the Boxster or the Cayman), or that a front engine Porsche would be better (most folks still much prefer 911's to 924's, 944's or 928's. I love the Cayman, but the 911's still seem to be in a special place in comparison....
"They are all sold" ... so how come I can configure a new one on the Porsche website??
@atami210 They all look great, don't fix a problem that doesn't exist
I wonder if it can be had without any stickers.
@NJB670 That has been used about as many times as saying first has. It is no longer clever.
@gurlsingerfan yeah thats true like very very few american cars would be desirable today (i admit that there is like a mustang or something) but if you consider Alfas, old Mercedes, old Jaguars, ferraris, even old lancias they are still very much desirable today.....
Just the simple fact that it could handle that much power already makes me want that car so bad. lol
Not to sound cliche, but both brands are terrific cars!
so... its got some new stripes?
@AviTheBlader Seriously he can put his beer down and smoke while traveling at speeds where a seat belt won't make a difference
@rafa281 What amuses me is that critics can explain why the rear engined 911 is a terrible technical idea but harder to explain how the car has been successful (even legendary) for decade after decade as a sports car, sports racing car, rally car, and all round art piece, desired by well informed racers, sportscar enthusiasts and connoisseurs around the globe. How does one explain it? Can this many people be wrong for this many decades? The design just FEELS RIGHT, LOOKS RIGHT, and WORKS.
@gurlsingerfan To be honest, the 4.0 is an example of Porsche continuously refining a bad idea until they reach perfection. Just wait until 2050 when the Cayman has had as much engineering as the current 911. That will be true perfection.
what a brilliant car.
@sarokas12 thank you for that clarification
@lordoftheriffs79 what about aston martin ? Pure quality
id like them to keep the 911 and replace the back seats with the engine. CAN U IMAGINE how awesome they would become? i know its famous for the RR but times have changed. If they keep the RR layour it will be still good. but it wont be able to handle those newer MR supercars that are coming up.
490 some odd naturally aspirated horses.... Most favorite Porsche ever and looks to stay that way if the 991's are any indication. Not that they aren't amazing but won't be as raw (and auto? Only)
@FenderUsa No double clutch transmission. Heavy steel chassis. Basic downforce implementation. Flawed weight distribution etc. A 458I is more advanced in every aspect.
i know i'll never own one of these 600 cars but i thank god now i own a porsche 911(996) carrera
@ilikenarutoalot Nissan GT-r has 530 Hp and its TwinTurbo, Porsche is NA...
@atami210 And by most you mean you. Way to speak for everyone.
@Mclaren3054 nope, XFR, they both exist
One of the best street legal ones ever,it is one of those ,oh ..
a embreagem desse carro é muito dura já pilotei.
how many horsepower is this?
I have heard of rumours of a Flat-8 engine but I imaginge that would make the car overall inefficient over the Flat-6 engines in terms of fuel economy and performance.
@gurlsingerfan yeah i know, what a beautiful car!
@BuSha6zZ u can't...there are only 600 and they're sold out
but does it blend?
@gweflj dated? this is the best type of sports car, not driving aids or comfort, just pure lightweight performance, just you an the car and nothing else!..i dont see how its flawed in any way?
@MrDas275 - so it's same like with LFA. people like it because it's pure engine and gearbox. no turbos and shit. OK than. Thanks a lot for explaining!!!
The gtr is turbo charged this Porsche is all natural baby!!!
Wish dunn was here to drive it!
@atami210 Why are you watching it then? I don't tend to want to look at things I think are ugly. Maybe just so you can comment
This is one of the easiest cars to get "stupid" in. Nicknamed the "Widowmaker" GT3's should only be sold to professionals. RIP Ryann Dunn
OH MY GOD AWESOME! I am so glad they didn't do a 90 second review for a car like this, wouldnt that be something? lolol
The Ryan Dunn edition has extra cup holders, ashtrays and no seatbelts
@Mclaren3054
for one the looks the engine freaking revs to 9k porsches r good fo da track but ferraris r good for ur soul c da differences
@The70srockfan Personaly, I'd take a Mclaren MP4-12C...... In my dreams though.
What a car.
@LetJimiT8keOver True, but keep in mind that a 911 with a revolutionized design isn't really a 911.
Love it.
~ Hadoken
The line down the middle makes it look like a V W beetle.
Shame there only are 600 of these
Haha. The GT3 4.0 retailed for 180K euros, which then was about 230k Dollars
Porsche - There is no substitute!
@oOoironhideoOo Thank you that's all I was looking for, i'm no engineer so the mechanics may be lost on me anyway.
@marshknute 2050 ya say? I would be 91 years old then,,,,if I make it that long I will give it a test drive! :-) By the way, I am not one of the 911 fans who will beat up on the Cayman, I think it is a wonderful bit of work, I thought they got the styling just right on it, a bit retro but not too much....it is just that the 911's are in a different realm realy, as much technological art pieces as cars.
@gurlsingerfan well they could finally admit the engine is in the wrong place. things have moved on the last 60 years, you don't see modern formule one cars with the engine in the front, and no downforce. don't get me wrong, porsche did a great job of perfecting an outdated idea.
@Mrjorrekke Why?
He was drunk driving and wrecked one. Why would Porsche ever want to associate with that?
@Technoboy1000 why...
To anyone touting a Ferrari 458 over this car. Do you actually own any Ferrari's or Porsche's? I actually own a 911 Turbo and an acquainted with owners of Ferrari's. I'm impressed with the excitement and thrills Ferrari offers, but Porsche has equal performance and better reliability, everyday driveability, and cost of ownership.
Well...the GT3 in Florida, USA, runs about 135,000 dollars, so i don't think is so expensive...in Germany, this car probably runs about 60k euros which is about 80k dollars and that is not that expensive in Germany and 135k here neither for a very nice car.
@Mclaren3054 You didnt get my sarcasm..... The Jag is "better" than the porsche coz its a british car and autocar are more lenient to british cars. The XFR got 5 stars whereas the Nissan GTR got 4.5 stars. They're doing it to help boost the british motor industry. I said the porsche isnt as good as the XFR coz its not a british car... It was a joke. Clearly it went right over your head
great, but how does the stereo sound?.....hahahah
@The70srockfan I would sure take one because I can grab my own gears :)
WRX Owner
@gurlsingerfan Haha, was thinking the exact same thing after the second gen 996 GT3 RS, and then came the 997 GT3 RS and I said the same thing again, and then the gen 2 997 GT3 RS, and again... and now this. I don't know how Porsche does it but the important thing is that they do, and keep doing it.
Go ahead Porsche, make the Cayenne, the Panamera, and even the 'Cajun' - it's all good if you keep making cars like this one.
@porsche86ify Good for you
Who knows maybe i don't need it, probably cos i love the 2 i have already have.
j'en veux une !!!!
its like CARTOWN in facebook..limited ang highed price...
almost 500 bhp from a 4 liter flat 6 is pretty damn good. other cars around 500 bhp are all v8's v10's or forced induction.
COUGHNISSANGTRCOUGH
This is a 5 star car!
@iMysteryTube Also it's spelled PorSche! And if you think that a GT3 RS4.0 looks like any other Porsche you might need some glasses! ;)
@lived666 Agreed on the price, but I have learned the first 2 rules about German cars (I have owned 3). First rule, they are always, always, overpriced. Second rule, people keep buying them! So that is not exactly an incentive for the Germans to drop prices...:-)