@@Niru_Goatin both statment and feats: -in the supers files(official),it is said that mr incredible as a danger sens. And in the 1v1 with elastigirl,he sensed something wrong and some attacks
@@Niru_Goat mr incredible can react to lasers from jack jack and homelanders lasers cant even melt regular metal like Soldier boys shield mean while the incredables suits can take missels which explode at tempetures that could melt through any metal so mr incredable slams low-mid diff
Just one correction, the Omni Droid that Mr. Incredible beats while he's out of shape is actually the Mk. 8. The Mk. 9 is the one that restrains him in the Syndrome intro scene, and the Mk. 10 is the one in the climax. Yes, even though Syndrome said it was ready, he still upgraded it to the Mk. 10 despite the Mk. 9 beating Mr. Incredible with no damage. I think the Mk. 9 is even smaller in that scene Vs. the Mk. 10's size.
This is old but i find it funny that Syndrome, instead of just making the MK 9 bigger, he decided to upgrade it still, at that point it was just overkill ngl, no wonder he lost to hus own creation.
Bob has an statement about him having a type of "spidersense" which is very consistent with the films, specially with the omnidroid. 17:52 Btw,that super is a girl, I didn't knew that so that's why I'm writing this, to see if I wasn't the only one.
@@MiguelTheAnomaly85 the statement is found on the lore, if I remember correctly you can see it on the archives like the other super Goji shown to be capable of generating earthquakes. I had the scan but looks like I deleted it :MyHonestFrogReaction:
Mr Incredible was able to lift the mark 9 Omni Droid which was made of something similar to tungsten like tank armor. It would have weighed in the neighborhood of 2500 tons. I haven't seen homelander left anywhere near that much.
Tanks aren’t made of tungsten, and their armor is made of composite which is hollow has many layers ^^, but I’d imagine they’d be much more heavily armored.
@@SpaceGodzilla-xb7vk many tanks like the Abrams use depleted uranium and tungsten rods for their inner armor. Not all countries have access to depleted uranium.
@@140theguy depleted uranium isn’t used anymore, it’s too expensive and too hard to maintain for long periods, and it’s mainly used in tank rounds now, the m1a2 sep V3 uses Chobham now instead of depleted uranium I think,
Lets see… Jack Jack can, A: travel between dimensions at will, B: shapeshift and change his molecular structure temporarily, and C: turn into a LITERAL DEMON. Yeah, I can see Jack Jack scaling to that when he’s fully grown.
Real reason Jack Jack wasn’t included is because he’d wallop the 7 and it’d be embarassing. Keep in mind that even without a super suit Jack Jack survived the plane exploding when he killed Syndrome. It wasn’t point blank but he’s 1: a baby and 2: not wearing a super suit. Combine that with the fact that Jack Jack seems to be able to do just about anything and even has AP that already scales to his fathers level albeit dependent on whether or not he wants to, Jack Jack is an absolute menace. All the 7 has to do is make the mistake of thinking that targeting the baby is the easiest opponent, take him away from his mom or even just try to attack him and he’ll go ballistic with lasers and electricity and fire, turning into a giant metal demon who’s rampage could probably only be stopped when his parents calm him down. If you think Frozone freezing people is the insta-win button, try taking Jack Jack more than 10 feet away from his mama.
The incredible's team work for sure is the difference maker. Even if you low ball the daughter's shield to simply Amp her punches to the strength of A grown adult, she could do that to Mr.Incredibles punches for an untold impact. Their power set is far more balanced too. The homelander squad is 99% just feats of strength. Dash Dash being able to perceive time like metroman gives him unparalleled information collection capabilities. Just going by the fact he was able to move from his school chair to the front of the class and back in less than 1/60th of a second is insane. I'd argue he easily out speeds the speedster of the 7 if not all of them entirely. Honestly, if Jack Jack was in the fight, he could probably solo both sides at once. I am not joking. He's clearly inspired by Franklin Richard's making him a walking mcguffin. Jack Jack is only limited by his imagination. He can mix powers all at once too. So he could make himself an incorporeal light speed giant who can form stars to slam people into. I wouldn't even be surprised if he could form black holes.
plus, the adult incredibles have significant experience fighting super powered foes as they were career superheroes, i think they'd have the experience advantage
Honestly it’s really rare to see anyone scale The Creeper from Jeepers Creepers but I’d like to see him get pinned up against Jason or even The Predator
I think early Jason, Creeper wins but part 6 and after, it's a tough battle. Uber Jason just takes it no contest. Honestly the Predator could probably win because of its future tech being able to wipe out the Creeper
Seeing him going up against pumkpin head sounds cool. But putting *two* more obscure characters in one vid might not be the most eye catching unfortunately
I mean I didn't really know about the FTL speeds for incredible and I didn't know that the other heroes had powers and that they had detailed descriptions of them and their abilities, but on a low end being faster than all of the boys just because of a baby shooting lasers is honestly funny
Goes to show that laser dodging feats are stupid and inconsistent. Just because you can react to a telegraphed laser charging up and moving out of the way before it fires doesn't mean that you have "lightspeed reaction time". By that logic, all humans have supersonic reaction time, because some people have dodged bullets.
@@brunitop4753 I mean I wouldn't really call what Mr incredible dodged inconsistent considering it just happened and he had no idea but if we're talking about a homelander then definitely because those were never stated to be lasers at best those are heat
@@brunitop4753 About telegraphed and moving before it fires is called aim dodging and yeah idk when did some people have dodged bullets? Even in a football court side by side you cant really move faster than the bullet if it already fire and in this case jack jack laser was already fired and was unpredictable due to his nature
The frozone add on was just unfair if anybody in the seven is slower then him their instantly stuck in a block of ice which he can SPAM low tiers get cooked so fast
I mean, the higher tiers should too, to be honest. Pretty sure getting encased in a block of ice inhibits muscle movement and freezes your blood, and though it's dumb to think of it that way, supes would still need blood flow for their brains to function etc, and since Frozone just shits out massive amounts of ice almost instantly, he could probably just freeze and keep freezing everybody - including Homelander - until they eventually just lose consciousness.
In short, the Seven may technically have the AP advantage thanks to Homelander, but the Incredibles have them beat in experience, teamwork and speed, on top of more useful hax. Also, here is my suggestion for another Match Up: Garfield vs Tom.
tom actually throws hands and garfield doesn’t, cat in the hat vs tom is more reasonable unless you’re talking about talking tom as opposed to tom from tom&jerry
@@Jamlord2061 Garfield ate the Blasteroid in ep65 of the Garfield Show, which was stated to destroy earth if it hit, dont know how Talking Tom compared to that
Ik you said that Mr Incredible is the slowest, but he has had a speed feat too of outrunning a very fast rolling Omnidroid 8 and he was doing so at what seems to be Dash’s speed for 10 seconds quite a distance as he went from a jungle to a volcano. Btw he was out of shape, not having used those muscles in 15 years and he was very obese.
Dang, it's you! I'm a big fan of your work. I know all about you and your incredible edits and debates. Your Conquestor edit is so powerful, and the aura you create is amazing. I'm also tired of people downplaying Mr. Incredible reaction speed and saying he doesn't scale to Hypershock. Your insights and edits have been really inspiring, and I appreciate the effort you put into your work. Keep it up!
amazing video. i actually made the omnidroid v.X4 art at 12:10. really glad that ive been able to contribute to the incredibles online ethos lol. keep up the great videos!
Goji: “The seven have rolled with being the Greek Gods.” Meanwhile Homelander vs Thor and Kratos “I can do whatever the fuck I wan…” *is turned into red mist before he can finish the sentence”
You're quite the boys fanatic and I can't lie to myself and tell this isn't entertaining😂 Nice work and keep bringing more of this for the power scaling community and strengthen our image
Real talk, a fight like this where its a actual Super Hero team vs a group of Corrupt Supes is literally the sort of thing that they would make a movie about for the Incredibles tbh Also Kronos
Rip Gazerbeam, Kronos. I feel like Homelander would be faster than Bob but that Bob would be able to shake off his blows relatively easily and knock him out. I think the problem would be if Homelander used his flight considering none of the Incredibles are really equipped to deal with that. Violet would have to shield them from his laser and dive attacks while they come up with a way to take him out. It'd be a very interesting fight for sure, but yeah the Incredibles come out on top.
Flying isn't really that op against the Incredibles though, Mr. Incredible could throw things at him to hurt or entangle him... like his wife, and Frozone has a ranged attack that could at the very least stun him for a sec.
@@markusnixon3156 Hmm, I don't think it'd be OP, I just think it'd be harder for them to win. With him on the ground, I think Bob could take him low to mid dif. I'm not sure how effective those would be. I've only seen S1 so I'm not sure how effective the envirement is against Homelander. Like if Bob threw a car at him, would his strength boost it or would it just be like if a car hit him. Cause that wouldn't do any damage. As for throwing Elastigirl, I don't know, wouldn't his lasers hurt her? I feel like they probably would. But yeah if she could grab him and hold him in a way he couldn't laser her that'd work. But it'd be tricky with how fast he is. With Frozone, yeah that'd trip him up. He can freeze stuff really fast since he froze the bullet in the movie, I don't think it'd hurt him much, but I think it'd cause him to fall or create an opening for the others.
@@Jacob-WD40 Bob could definitely hurt him with the strength he's displayed, Homelander has been hurt by "heroes" weaker them him in the show, and Bob has stronger feats then Homelander already, and how fast an object is going affects how much it will hurt you, even if the material itself is not enough to pierce skin, because of the momentum causing concussive damage.
@@markusnixon3156 Gotcha, I was thinking in terms of no matter how hard you throw a balloon it won't hurt cause it lacks the density. But I think your right, it's more like a gun. Throwing a bullet won't do much damage cause it doesn't have much weight, but at the speeds a bullet goes it does a lot of damage. Basically, Bob would be throwing the car so hard it'd be like Homelander got shot with a bullet the size of a car. Nice X)
@@Jacob-WD40 Yeah, and Bob can literally knock around an Omnidroid weighing an estimated *thousands* of tons, he might be able to even hurt Homelander by throwing a regular football, at the expense of the football obviously! XP
Yeah, pretty weird statement. Powerscalers tend to make extreme conclusions from very broad statements like that without actually understading the science (or rather, scifi). It's especially weird because everything else in show gives the idea of Homelander being around Mach 3-10. "Seeing Vought Tower from space" could mean any number of things. Could mean from the stratosphere, the exosphere, anything in between, or even from the moon. It doesn't even denote a speed of any kind.
@@brunitop4753 In a deleted scene, replaced by the wanking one, he flew to space. Assuming they didn't cut away this probably means he reached space between anywhere from 1 minute to 30 seconds. I agree it shouldn't be taken at face value, given that he is self propelling, but it is not by any means ridiculous. Given what Stan Edgar said in the rest of that scene, it's pretty certain that he went to space as he didn't call Homelander out on it. Assuming it took him about a minute to get to the exosphere, that puts him at about mach 25. Not arguing he doesn't lose to a lot of people, I just feel like people lowball him arbitrarily. Glad you brought up this point.
I honestly didn't like the newer season of Invincible all that much, and Amber sucked all of s1. I have less complaints about The Boys, tbh. Although, I would actually personally prefer not having the weird, graphic sexual stuff. I skip those scenes. And to be clear, like I watch XXX and play AVNs, but The Boys basically does some kink bs I'm not into lmao
@Paradox-es3bl I hated the treatment of Huey. He got sexually assaulted and raped right after killing his dad. He didn't know it was a shape-shifter and wanted to but it was still rape. I feel like if they did that to Starlight people would be in an uproar about it
I'd argue the Incredibles can get even higher than their current scaling, since Hypershock has his earthquale max at 6.0 with his fists, yet he has hammers to boost up his powers to an unknown degree, which brings the idea of a hypothetical 10.0 richter Mr Incredible and honestly that's so damn funny to me, just imagining Homelander flying and punching Bob just for Bob to punch him hard enough to destroy the landscape in the vicinity
would mr incredible blind homelander once he realises that psycho has laser vision because i personally do not believe homelander would have his eyes before the end of the fight
@@Jamlord2061 In theory, yes, since we've seen how a bloodlusted Mr Incredible is with Evelyn's goggles and he's rather brutal with his strength, plus as seen in the first movie he gets "amped" with his emotions, since he couldn't lift the Omnidroid until he saw Violet about to die stomped by it And of course we know he has some experience with laser vision since Jack Jack exists and Gazer Beam was one of his partners in his hero team, being Bob himself the one that recruited him
Honestly agree with all the scaling here and the points of why not scale em that high Might have disagreed last time but seeing more explanation of his reasoning I have changed my mind
I have no idea the context of your comment, but good on you for being open to changing your mind with more data, there's a fair few commenter here that aren't so respectable! 😄
Prime Mr. Incredible alone could wipe the floor with the seven. On his trophy wall in the first movie, there's a newspaper clipping of him swimming through a typhoon and pulling a cruise ship to safety, saving thousands. He is also bullet resistant, having a jar full of bullets that bounced off of him.
I'm surprised you did not mention something in the Incredibles lore. The basics is, similar to how Homelander scales above all other heroes in his verse, same could be said for Mr. Incredible. In fact, Bob's strength is high enough that the NSA labelled his tier as "Mega-Strength", which is exclusive to him. So any of the old heroes (in the Incredibles) with superhuman strength would, by proxy, scale under him by definition.
Imagine the horror The Boys would be feeling. They were just attacked by The Seven or Homelander, and then Mr Incredible, a character who's twice the size of most of the seven members shows up.
Bruh, first Captain Murica vs Soulja Boi? Now this? I’m eatin. I’d honestly love to have a scaling video on Jotaro or a matchup like Gojo vs Jotaro now
Don't forget that in some official comic book Mr Incredible lifts a massive submarine (a large submarine can weigh from thousands to tens of thousands of tons). Though it should be noted that he was in his prime. Still, none of characters in The Boys verse have a strength feat even close to that.
Jack Jack is an actual god. As in, higher dimensional being who has every power the Seven have and more to an infinitely higher scale. He solos the verse.
I don't recall any good feats from the Thundermans, unless there's like a one-off quote about how Mr. Thunderman shook a mountain, then they're probably losing this
I'd agree with the video so far when it comes to homelanders scaling, as even with the little H-bomb stuff that's almost entirely town level range, and is broad within itself. Along with the fact the other statement comes from a more then likely lying stillwell based on the fact homelander is still hurt by city-town level attacks pretty consistently. So anything above large town is a big stretch especially mountain. But now I'm curious to see the incredibles end.
That Island Fight in the first Incredibles, when the whole family comes together, is a vastly underrated scene. Sure it only lasts about 30 seconds before Syndrome breaks it up. Still, the teamwork the family displays on thwir very first outing is absolutely insane. They know instinctively how their powers compliment each other. Imo, the Incredibles have the best team dynamic in all of superhero lore, including the Fantastic Four. (To be clear, i don't know that they would beat FF, but their teamwork specifically is off the charts).
I forgot to mention that there's like for ends for the verse is town level,mountain level,country level and, multi continental level. With 2 and 3 being the most charitable ones.
I did not expect that, but you proved it well so Ig my prior assumptions were wrong. Also personally I think due to the fact that regular people have FTL reaction time, it would be a good idea to rule that out as not applicable, but you could also argue that the Incredibles simply have strength from the fact that they are in a cartoon, which is reasonable, but personally I don't think the writer intended on giving regular people FTL reaction time and it is just an oversight bc it's a cartoon. It wouldn't change the final result I'm aware.
Do Jack's lazer eyes actually fire at light speed? Looked like in the freeze frame Jack Jack had to charge it up, and the fact that there is more than one frame for the laser to travel is evidence that it isn't actually light-speed.
Kronos Also extremely glad to see my favorite superheroes (I’m an Incredibles fanboy. What can I say?) win a confrontation like this! Excellent work, as always, Goji-Chronic.
starlight had just gotten out of confinement when noir ambushed her, then she got distracted by lamplighter's corpse. she was also trying to run away, not fight, but noir's travel speed is better. plus, he wasn't reveling in kicking her ass like the deep was, so she had fewer chances to land any hits. but once starlight kicked the deep in the balls he got serious and ragdolled her to the point she couldn't even crawl away from his overdramatic ahh foot. AND the deep beat her by landing fewer hits (seriously go count them) while arguably holding back for most of the fight. so yeah, noir ain't beating a-train
This is an interesting matchup that I could see being 50/50 either way. One one side: 3 kids who're still maturing and not as combat experienced. Two parents and a friend who are very experienced with opponents of their level. Those 3 worked on numerous government sanctioned missions with a high rate of success, mastering multiple disciplines along the way. The Seven have more members with combat experience, but fail as a team. They have no cohesiveness, so no effective strategy. Homelander, Stormfront, and speedy, could overwhelm the Parrs and Frozone. Queen Maeve and Starlight turncoat and help the Parrs. Game over for Homelander.
14:52, ever stop to think that this was done purely for comedic effect? I really dislike power scaling because of how they take *EVERYTHING* literally, this is a perfect example.
I mean, i get what you mean, but later he showed other feats to back that scaling up he even brought up that everyone can do it, to me it means that he knows that it was for comedic effect but they do scale to that level regardless
For general scaling, I think it’s safe to say that Bob is somewhere between Soldier Boy and Homelander in terms of strength. So he can certainly hurt Homelander but he won’t be winning a prolonged grapple. However, if they grapple and Homelander gets clipped by an attack from any of the others, Bob should get the edge and decisively win that grapple and follow up with some critical hits
You've misunderstood the concept of escape velocity in a couple of major ways. 1. Escape velocity is not the speed required to reach space; it's the speed required to leave Earth's gravity well entirely and escape off to infinity, without falling back down or entering an orbit. Getting into space only requires passing the Karman line, not infinite distance. 2. Escape velocity only applies to ballistic trajectories, in which no force except gravity is applied to an object after launch; it wouldn't apply to a super capable of in-air propulsion. In other words, it's the speed one would need to achieve in order to _jump_ off the planet, ignoring air resistance.
In the short, I think her reacting to the Lazer eyes is more so just a gag than a feat, but I feel like the incredibles should still have that general range of speed
To add to my previous comment, someone might have the idea to take a family member hostage. Each of those kids have proven to be capable of escaping people with similar powers as The Seven. Except for maybe a Homelander type figure. He's the only one who might break Violet's shield. Dash is quick to escape. Jack-jack is too young to understand what's going on, but will be an absolute terror to anybody in his way. When scared, he goes through a whole menu of powers at random 🤣, most of which counter all of The Seven's abilities.
The 7 are all the weakest archetype of their power / character there based off of except soldier boy. Thats not just compared to dc and marvel but most if not all the other comics and publishers as well
9:11 I’d like to point out that it’s possible that Syndrome utilized his weaknesses to defeat him. The Omni might not scale to, y’know, Town or city range durability.
The Omnidroid model 04 defeated Hypershock, showing a high level of durability and AP. Even with weaknesses exploited, the Omnidroid had to counter Hypershock’s earthquake abilities. Mr. Incredible defeating the more advanced model 08 suggests he's at least on par with Hypershock in strength and durability. With a threat rating of 9.1, Mr. Incredible is rated higher than Hypershock (7.5) and Gamma Jack (7.9). in the training sessions with Omnidroids were direct combat, not just sneak attacks. The Kronos database shows Omnidroids were made to push heroes to their limits, proving their durability and power. Universal Man, with max indestructibility, was killed by Omnidroid model 01, showing even the strongest heroes can be defeated. This supports that both Omnidroids and the heroes who defeat them can have town level ap.
Jack jack is the strongest in the entire incredible universe the only thing that really stops him is that he’s a kid, but he’s most likely gonna be old in the next film so he’s probably gonna be like Franklin Richards and Marvel
7:49 that's a hax ability. It's not like she can put the full power of that storm into a punch; it's just a bonus ability unrelated to physical strength.
Starlight in the final season was shown to have flown off pretty fast with her light powers. Could be her light powers improved a lot. She should be above the deep and maybe around black noir. But yeah, it wouldn't help matters too much
Syndrome with prep solos the boys
Honestly, that’s a more fair matchup for the 7 than the entire Par family and Frozone. I agree that he squad wipes, though.
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omg i wanna see that so badly lol
TERMINATED.
lol unless he gets caught monologuing
Frozone wouldn't be able to find his supersuit.
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Come on man 😂
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I loved that part where goji chronic said "Its chronicing time" and chroniced all over the place!
I also loved that part!
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I loved the part where godzilla Guy Said It's Powerscalling suckszin time and started biased scalling all over the place.
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These teams do have one thing in common… Both of them failed to stop a plane from going down
💀💀💀💀💀atleast one of them took the people out of the plane 😭😭😭😭
Osama bin landen scales higher than homelander
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Adding Frozone was overkill 💀
It's not like he could have included the baby
overkill for the deep but gets blits by noir
@@barackdwaynecenajohson3289 Did u not watch the video ?💀
@@curiousgeorgeatewrongjuice2856 no. But I think he could still freeze him before any harm.
I just realized Frozone froze freaking LAVA
You're forgetting that Mr. Incredible has a spidey sense in a way according to the skill thing. So homelander probably won't be catching him off guard
Homelander is way faster, and Mr incredible's "spidey sense" won't work. And where has that been shown?
@@Niru_Goatin both statment and feats:
-in the supers files(official),it is said that mr incredible as a danger sens.
And in the 1v1 with elastigirl,he sensed something wrong and some attacks
@@Darkgubz But can he react to someone flying at him whose almost Mach 50? Will he survive getting lasered in the face? The answer's no
@@Niru_GoatIf Homelander can do all that, the show wouldn’t last a season
@@Niru_Goat mr incredible can react to lasers from jack jack and homelanders lasers cant even melt regular metal like Soldier boys shield mean while the incredables suits can take missels which explode at tempetures that could melt through any metal so mr incredable slams low-mid diff
Just one correction, the Omni Droid that Mr. Incredible beats while he's out of shape is actually the Mk. 8. The Mk. 9 is the one that restrains him in the Syndrome intro scene, and the Mk. 10 is the one in the climax. Yes, even though Syndrome said it was ready, he still upgraded it to the Mk. 10 despite the Mk. 9 beating Mr. Incredible with no damage. I think the Mk. 9 is even smaller in that scene Vs. the Mk. 10's size.
Omnidroid 10 was as tall as a building it was much bigger than the previous omnidroids
This is old but i find it funny that Syndrome, instead of just making the MK 9 bigger, he decided to upgrade it still, at that point it was just overkill ngl, no wonder he lost to hus own creation.
For my entire life I never knew that it wasn't the same robot. Damn.
When homelander said "You may be incredible, But im-" and then it cut to a title card. i started touching myself
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If the seven win I’ll feel disappointed
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@@jonkler677 yes
Bob has an statement about him having a type of "spidersense" which is very consistent with the films, specially with the omnidroid.
17:52
Btw,that super is a girl, I didn't knew that so that's why I'm writing this, to see if I wasn't the only one.
Can you show the scan for Bob having a spider sense ability
@@MiguelTheAnomaly85 the statement is found on the lore, if I remember correctly you can see it on the archives like the other super Goji shown to be capable of generating earthquakes.
I had the scan but looks like I deleted it :MyHonestFrogReaction:
@@lycantubeves5992 ok when you get it back please show it
No I totally thought it was a dude with the jaw and hairstyle
Mr Incredible was able to lift the mark 9 Omni Droid which was made of something similar to tungsten like tank armor. It would have weighed in the neighborhood of 2500 tons. I haven't seen homelander left anywhere near that much.
Tanks aren’t made of tungsten, and their armor is made of composite which is hollow has many layers ^^, but I’d imagine they’d be much more heavily armored.
@@SpaceGodzilla-xb7vk many tanks like the Abrams use depleted uranium and tungsten rods for their inner armor. Not all countries have access to depleted uranium.
@@140theguy depleted uranium isn’t used anymore, it’s too expensive and too hard to maintain for long periods, and it’s mainly used in tank rounds now, the m1a2 sep V3 uses Chobham now instead of depleted uranium I think,
@@140theguy tungsten is also mainly used in tank rounds, such as tungsten rounds..
Leave it to Goji Chronic to find out that Jack Jack scales to Multi-Continental or something
Power scalers when the when
Lets see… Jack Jack can,
A: travel between dimensions at will,
B: shapeshift and change his molecular structure temporarily, and
C: turn into a LITERAL DEMON.
Yeah, I can see Jack Jack scaling to that when he’s fully grown.
EXCELLENT WORK. GOJI CHRONIC PIXAR VS THE BOYS INCREDIBLE VS THE SEVEN AWESOME!
Grown up Jack Jack with full potential probably is tbh 😂
what stops jack jack from aging tagging in his future self
Plot twist, the babysitter is just that fast
Maybe she was Dash's babysitter too? 😆
I mean, yeah. That's pretty blatantly the case lol
Real reason Jack Jack wasn’t included is because he’d wallop the 7 and it’d be embarassing.
Keep in mind that even without a super suit Jack Jack survived the plane exploding when he killed Syndrome. It wasn’t point blank but he’s 1: a baby and 2: not wearing a super suit.
Combine that with the fact that Jack Jack seems to be able to do just about anything and even has AP that already scales to his fathers level albeit dependent on whether or not he wants to, Jack Jack is an absolute menace.
All the 7 has to do is make the mistake of thinking that targeting the baby is the easiest opponent, take him away from his mom or even just try to attack him and he’ll go ballistic with lasers and electricity and fire, turning into a giant metal demon who’s rampage could probably only be stopped when his parents calm him down.
If you think Frozone freezing people is the insta-win button, try taking Jack Jack more than 10 feet away from his mama.
Also he can teleport and literally enter alternate dimensions if I got the facts right
And duplication
Pretty much. 👊👊✊✊👏👏👌👌
Pixar characters are so cracked lol
normal character being able to both see, react to and physically dodge/block light speed attacks
Didn't Bob literally survive like, 100,000 volts of electricity? That goes WAY beyond Homelander's highest scalings even with wanks
The incredible's team work for sure is the difference maker. Even if you low ball the daughter's shield to simply Amp her punches to the strength of A grown adult, she could do that to Mr.Incredibles punches for an untold impact.
Their power set is far more balanced too. The homelander squad is 99% just feats of strength. Dash Dash being able to perceive time like metroman gives him unparalleled information collection capabilities. Just going by the fact he was able to move from his school chair to the front of the class and back in less than 1/60th of a second is insane. I'd argue he easily out speeds the speedster of the 7 if not all of them entirely.
Honestly, if Jack Jack was in the fight, he could probably solo both sides at once. I am not joking. He's clearly inspired by Franklin Richard's making him a walking mcguffin. Jack Jack is only limited by his imagination. He can mix powers all at once too. So he could make himself an incorporeal light speed giant who can form stars to slam people into. I wouldn't even be surprised if he could form black holes.
jack jack: levitates; become ethereal; t-poses; and begins to beyblade while firing a laser beam
plus, the adult incredibles have significant experience fighting super powered foes as they were career superheroes, i think they'd have the experience advantage
Exactly. 👊👊👌👌
Honestly it’s really rare to see anyone scale The Creeper from Jeepers Creepers but I’d like to see him get pinned up against Jason or even The Predator
I think early Jason, Creeper wins but part 6 and after, it's a tough battle. Uber Jason just takes it no contest.
Honestly the Predator could probably win because of its future tech being able to wipe out the Creeper
Seeing him going up against pumkpin head sounds cool. But putting *two* more obscure characters in one vid might not be the most eye catching unfortunately
@@mandalorianhunter1But the creator of the Creeper IS a predator so that’s checkmate for him.
@@offbrandfiji6487 We know that and checkmate for who?
@@mandalorianhunter1 Predator
I mean I didn't really know about the FTL speeds for incredible and I didn't know that the other heroes had powers and that they had detailed descriptions of them and their abilities, but on a low end being faster than all of the boys just because of a baby shooting lasers is honestly funny
Goes to show that laser dodging feats are stupid and inconsistent.
Just because you can react to a telegraphed laser charging up and moving out of the way before it fires doesn't mean that you have "lightspeed reaction time".
By that logic, all humans have supersonic reaction time, because some people have dodged bullets.
@@brunitop4753 I mean I wouldn't really call what Mr incredible dodged inconsistent considering it just happened and he had no idea but if we're talking about a homelander then definitely because those were never stated to be lasers at best those are heat
@@brunitop4753 About telegraphed and moving before it fires is called aim dodging and yeah idk when did some people have dodged bullets? Even in a football court side by side you cant really move faster than the bullet if it already fire and in this case jack jack laser was already fired and was unpredictable due to his nature
If you can see the laser traveling in different frames that shit is not FTL, is that easy
@@estebanmedinad8370people have moved as someone aims at them and the bullet misses due to that movement it's not impossible
I once had the thought that Syndrome would be the good guy if he was in The Boys
Syndrome and Butcher team up is killing every supe
The frozone add on was just unfair if anybody in the seven is slower then him their instantly stuck in a block of ice which he can SPAM low tiers get cooked so fast
I mean, the higher tiers should too, to be honest. Pretty sure getting encased in a block of ice inhibits muscle movement and freezes your blood, and though it's dumb to think of it that way, supes would still need blood flow for their brains to function etc, and since Frozone just shits out massive amounts of ice almost instantly, he could probably just freeze and keep freezing everybody - including Homelander - until they eventually just lose consciousness.
another point against the seven is the incredible's family has no low tiers..
Goji spoiling us with two videos in just two days
Indeed he is
In short, the Seven may technically have the AP advantage thanks to Homelander, but the Incredibles have them beat in experience, teamwork and speed, on top of more useful hax.
Also, here is my suggestion for another Match Up: Garfield vs Tom.
tom actually throws hands and garfield doesn’t, cat in the hat vs tom is more reasonable unless you’re talking about talking tom as opposed to tom from tom&jerry
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Garfield ate the Blasteroid in ep65 of the Garfield Show, which was stated to destroy earth if it hit, dont know how Talking Tom compared to that
@@cafecreme6395
This is tom from tom and jerry, not talking tom.
@@FishFactInc. He specifically said that it would be better if talking tom would face Garfield
Ik you said that Mr Incredible is the slowest, but he has had a speed feat too of outrunning a very fast rolling Omnidroid 8 and he was doing so at what seems to be Dash’s speed for 10 seconds quite a distance as he went from a jungle to a volcano. Btw he was out of shape, not having used those muscles in 15 years and he was very obese.
13:14 This makes so much sense because Bob’s powers I always assumed were more like Hulks were he will gain the strength he needs when he needs it.
Thank you Goji for making this!
Factual take bro
@@MULTIVERSAL_MASHUPS There my 🐐 is
Goat
THE MVP RESPONDED 🗣🗣🗣
Dang, it's you! I'm a big fan of your work. I know all about you and your incredible edits and debates. Your Conquestor edit is so powerful, and the aura you create is amazing.
I'm also tired of people downplaying Mr. Incredible reaction speed and saying he doesn't scale to Hypershock. Your insights and edits have been really inspiring, and I appreciate the effort you put into your work. Keep it up!
@@darylyee7776 thanks man! I appreciate the kind words
amazing video. i actually made the omnidroid v.X4 art at 12:10. really glad that ive been able to contribute to the incredibles online ethos lol. keep up the great videos!
Goji: “The seven have rolled with being the Greek Gods.”
Meanwhile Homelander vs Thor and Kratos “I can do whatever the fuck I wan…”
*is turned into red mist before he can finish the sentence”
Thor ain't greek he's norse
@@GhøstÉclipšë01ik but it’s the joke
@@ZCommander "but its the joke"
@@ZCommander yh I know
Goji-Chronic: Incredibles vs The Seven| NOT EVEN CLOSE
Starlight's face honest reaction: 🗿
"unscathed from factory explosion." shows homelander coughing blood
That was from the hostages he had just murdered
*Coughed and was covered in other people's blood
Starlighter propaganda smh
You're quite the boys fanatic and I can't lie to myself and tell this isn't entertaining😂
Nice work and keep bringing more of this for the power scaling community and strengthen our image
Kronos what a wonderful password.
17:46 Bro the babysitter is faster than everyone in the Boys lmao. She needs her own show or something.
Remember NO CAPES
Real talk, a fight like this where its a actual Super Hero team vs a group of Corrupt Supes is literally the sort of thing that they would make a movie about for the Incredibles tbh
Also
Kronos
0:46 those jokes made me laugh.
Syndrome's files did list a hero that lost to an older Omni-Droid as being able to cause earthquakes. So that's some further upscale.
Rip Gazerbeam, Kronos.
I feel like Homelander would be faster than Bob but that Bob would be able to shake off his blows relatively easily and knock him out. I think the problem would be if Homelander used his flight considering none of the Incredibles are really equipped to deal with that. Violet would have to shield them from his laser and dive attacks while they come up with a way to take him out.
It'd be a very interesting fight for sure, but yeah the Incredibles come out on top.
Flying isn't really that op against the Incredibles though, Mr. Incredible could throw things at him to hurt or entangle him... like his wife, and Frozone has a ranged attack that could at the very least stun him for a sec.
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Hmm, I don't think it'd be OP, I just think it'd be harder for them to win. With him on the ground, I think Bob could take him low to mid dif.
I'm not sure how effective those would be.
I've only seen S1 so I'm not sure how effective the envirement is against Homelander. Like if Bob threw a car at him, would his strength boost it or would it just be like if a car hit him. Cause that wouldn't do any damage.
As for throwing Elastigirl, I don't know, wouldn't his lasers hurt her? I feel like they probably would. But yeah if she could grab him and hold him in a way he couldn't laser her that'd work. But it'd be tricky with how fast he is.
With Frozone, yeah that'd trip him up. He can freeze stuff really fast since he froze the bullet in the movie, I don't think it'd hurt him much, but I think it'd cause him to fall or create an opening for the others.
@@Jacob-WD40 Bob could definitely hurt him with the strength he's displayed, Homelander has been hurt by "heroes" weaker them him in the show, and Bob has stronger feats then Homelander already, and how fast an object is going affects how much it will hurt you, even if the material itself is not enough to pierce skin, because of the momentum causing concussive damage.
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Gotcha, I was thinking in terms of no matter how hard you throw a balloon it won't hurt cause it lacks the density.
But I think your right, it's more like a gun. Throwing a bullet won't do much damage cause it doesn't have much weight, but at the speeds a bullet goes it does a lot of damage.
Basically, Bob would be throwing the car so hard it'd be like Homelander got shot with a bullet the size of a car. Nice X)
@@Jacob-WD40 Yeah, and Bob can literally knock around an Omnidroid weighing an estimated *thousands* of tons, he might be able to even hurt Homelander by throwing a regular football, at the expense of the football obviously! XP
One thing I always take issue with for Homelander scaling is the escape velocity thing. He can fly. He could reach space going a meter a minute.
Yeah, pretty weird statement. Powerscalers tend to make extreme conclusions from very broad statements like that without actually understading the science (or rather, scifi).
It's especially weird because everything else in show gives the idea of Homelander being around Mach 3-10. "Seeing Vought Tower from space" could mean any number of things. Could mean from the stratosphere, the exosphere, anything in between, or even from the moon. It doesn't even denote a speed of any kind.
@@brunitop4753 I saw a comment say in season one Homelander's speed feats put him at mach 50. 🤦♂️
@@brunitop4753 In a deleted scene, replaced by the wanking one, he flew to space. Assuming they didn't cut away this probably means he reached space between anywhere from 1 minute to 30 seconds. I agree it shouldn't be taken at face value, given that he is self propelling, but it is not by any means ridiculous. Given what Stan Edgar said in the rest of that scene, it's pretty certain that he went to space as he didn't call Homelander out on it. Assuming it took him about a minute to get to the exosphere, that puts him at about mach 25. Not arguing he doesn't lose to a lot of people, I just feel like people lowball him arbitrarily. Glad you brought up this point.
Bro is not getting tired of throwing bangers
Invincible > The Boys but great powersacle!
I honestly didn't like the newer season of Invincible all that much, and Amber sucked all of s1. I have less complaints about The Boys, tbh. Although, I would actually personally prefer not having the weird, graphic sexual stuff. I skip those scenes. And to be clear, like I watch XXX and play AVNs, but The Boys basically does some kink bs I'm not into lmao
@Paradox-es3bl I hated the treatment of Huey. He got sexually assaulted and raped right after killing his dad. He didn't know it was a shape-shifter and wanted to but it was still rape. I feel like if they did that to Starlight people would be in an uproar about it
I'd argue the Incredibles can get even higher than their current scaling, since Hypershock has his earthquale max at 6.0 with his fists, yet he has hammers to boost up his powers to an unknown degree, which brings the idea of a hypothetical 10.0 richter Mr Incredible and honestly that's so damn funny to me, just imagining Homelander flying and punching Bob just for Bob to punch him hard enough to destroy the landscape in the vicinity
would mr incredible blind homelander once he realises that psycho has laser vision because i personally do not believe homelander would have his eyes before the end of the fight
@@Jamlord2061 In theory, yes, since we've seen how a bloodlusted Mr Incredible is with Evelyn's goggles and he's rather brutal with his strength, plus as seen in the first movie he gets "amped" with his emotions, since he couldn't lift the Omnidroid until he saw Violet about to die stomped by it
And of course we know he has some experience with laser vision since Jack Jack exists and Gazer Beam was one of his partners in his hero team, being Bob himself the one that recruited him
Kronos
Agree, and if Jack Jack matures then he can probably solo the 7 which is hilarious
To be fair, starlight couldn't use her powers in the fight against deep. So unfair statment, but nothing bad, nice video
Also tbf, deep hardly ever has access to the ocean
@@broggy52Deep doesn’t gain strength from the sea unless I’m mistaken. All he can do is talk to fish.
@@EdmundiumHitting indeed, but it is his terrain or whatever. Also enhance ocean life
@@broggy52 But he would have had an advantege in the wather, fair enough
@@Hakersmith ye, exactly, neither of em are in their element
Truly amazing to have 2 videos this week
Yo new video so quick massive w
I don’t know why but I find the idea HILARIOUS that the deep just gets one tapped by dash
Honestly agree with all the scaling here and the points of why not scale em that high
Might have disagreed last time but seeing more explanation of his reasoning I have changed my mind
I have no idea the context of your comment, but good on you for being open to changing your mind with more data, there's a fair few commenter here that aren't so respectable! 😄
Prime Mr. Incredible alone could wipe the floor with the seven. On his trophy wall in the first movie, there's a newspaper clipping of him swimming through a typhoon and pulling a cruise ship to safety, saving thousands. He is also bullet resistant, having a jar full of bullets that bounced off of him.
They faced that big robot, The Seven wouldn't face anything like Syndrome's bot that kills supers
Kronos. A real incredibles fan here and i am glad you gave them the credit the deserve in this man
that was a lame password also how did gazarbeam find out the password
This would make one HELL of a fight scene, that's for sure.
Speaking of Kronos, Syndrome vs Homelander would be an interesting matchup. And also how much could Homelander match up to either Omni-droid version?
I'm surprised you did not mention something in the Incredibles lore. The basics is, similar to how Homelander scales above all other heroes in his verse, same could be said for Mr. Incredible. In fact, Bob's strength is high enough that the NSA labelled his tier as "Mega-Strength", which is exclusive to him. So any of the old heroes (in the Incredibles) with superhuman strength would, by proxy, scale under him by definition.
Absolute Fire video dude
And thank you for including me🙏
Also one of bob's abillites is being able to sense incoming danger aka Precognition.
Also they are literal children. Aged up and they could probably handle the 7 on their own, especially violet. Crush them in her force field.
Imagine the horror The Boys would be feeling. They were just attacked by The Seven or Homelander, and then Mr Incredible, a character who's twice the size of most of the seven members shows up.
Bruh, first Captain Murica vs Soulja Boi? Now this? I’m eatin. I’d honestly love to have a scaling video on Jotaro or a matchup like Gojo vs Jotaro now
one other thing to bring up, is that i'm pretty sure that Mr and Mrs incredible have WAY more experience fighting superpowered foes
The one big difference is that the incredibles work as a team, the seven work as a photo shoot
And two of them are seasoned heroes with experience under their belts and actual team work
Don't forget that in some official comic book Mr Incredible lifts a massive submarine (a large submarine can weigh from thousands to tens of thousands of tons). Though it should be noted that he was in his prime. Still, none of characters in The Boys verse have a strength feat even close to that.
You deserve 100k subs
We will get there by next year for sure!
@@Goji-C 70% away I think
Jack Jack is an actual god. As in, higher dimensional being who has every power the Seven have and more to an infinitely higher scale. He solos the verse.
Every video gets better than the last, always.
I haven't watched it but that child solos all of them, case closed
The Thundermans vs the Incredibles ??🧐
Thats a good fight
@@BullerPersonincredibles solo
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I don't recall any good feats from the Thundermans, unless there's like a one-off quote about how Mr. Thunderman shook a mountain, then they're probably losing this
@@callmefleet noras lazers can reach the moon but thats basically it
I'd agree with the video so far when it comes to homelanders scaling, as even with the little H-bomb stuff that's almost entirely town level range, and is broad within itself. Along with the fact the other statement comes from a more then likely lying stillwell based on the fact homelander is still hurt by city-town level attacks pretty consistently. So anything above large town is a big stretch especially mountain. But now I'm curious to see the incredibles end.
That Island Fight in the first Incredibles, when the whole family comes together, is a vastly underrated scene. Sure it only lasts about 30 seconds before Syndrome breaks it up. Still, the teamwork the family displays on thwir very first outing is absolutely insane. They know instinctively how their powers compliment each other.
Imo, the Incredibles have the best team dynamic in all of superhero lore, including the Fantastic Four. (To be clear, i don't know that they would beat FF, but their teamwork specifically is off the charts).
I forgot to mention that there's like for ends for the verse is town level,mountain level,country level and, multi continental level. With 2 and 3 being the most charitable ones.
I did not expect that, but you proved it well so Ig my prior assumptions were wrong. Also personally I think due to the fact that regular people have FTL reaction time, it would be a good idea to rule that out as not applicable, but you could also argue that the Incredibles simply have strength from the fact that they are in a cartoon, which is reasonable, but personally I don't think the writer intended on giving regular people FTL reaction time and it is just an oversight bc it's a cartoon. It wouldn't change the final result I'm aware.
Video Idea: Yuji Itadori (Jujutsu Kaisen) vs Denji (Chainsaw Man)
Also KRONOS
Do Jack's lazer eyes actually fire at light speed? Looked like in the freeze frame Jack Jack had to charge it up, and the fact that there is more than one frame for the laser to travel is evidence that it isn't actually light-speed.
YOO... it's been so long since I've seen that game. Damn childhood memories be getting me.
Kronos
Also extremely glad to see my favorite superheroes (I’m an Incredibles fanboy. What can I say?) win a confrontation like this! Excellent work, as always, Goji-Chronic.
starlight had just gotten out of confinement when noir ambushed her, then she got distracted by lamplighter's corpse. she was also trying to run away, not fight, but noir's travel speed is better. plus, he wasn't reveling in kicking her ass like the deep was, so she had fewer chances to land any hits.
but once starlight kicked the deep in the balls he got serious and ragdolled her to the point she couldn't even crawl away from his overdramatic ahh foot.
AND the deep beat her by landing fewer hits (seriously go count them) while arguably holding back for most of the fight.
so yeah, noir ain't beating a-train
This is an interesting matchup that I could see being 50/50 either way. One one side: 3 kids who're still maturing and not as combat experienced. Two parents and a friend who are very experienced with opponents of their level. Those 3 worked on numerous government sanctioned missions with a high rate of success, mastering multiple disciplines along the way.
The Seven have more members with combat experience, but fail as a team. They have no cohesiveness, so no effective strategy. Homelander, Stormfront, and speedy, could overwhelm the Parrs and Frozone. Queen Maeve and Starlight turncoat and help the Parrs. Game over for Homelander.
Can't believe I wasn't subbed up until now
Also, when I heard the Incredibles speed meta, I knew it was over for the seven
I had the Incredibles before the Vid. They're like the Fantastic Four. They're Mad slept on as a group. This is why Teams matter so much.
14:52, ever stop to think that this was done purely for comedic effect? I really dislike power scaling because of how they take *EVERYTHING* literally, this is a perfect example.
I mean, i get what you mean, but later he showed other feats to back that scaling up
he even brought up that everyone can do it, to me it means that he knows that it was for comedic effect but they do scale to that level regardless
We meed the Fortnite Seven vs The Boys Seven. It would truly be a kronotic video
For general scaling, I think it’s safe to say that Bob is somewhere between Soldier Boy and Homelander in terms of strength. So he can certainly hurt Homelander but he won’t be winning a prolonged grapple. However, if they grapple and Homelander gets clipped by an attack from any of the others, Bob should get the edge and decisively win that grapple and follow up with some critical hits
Cronos. Also i was pleasantly surprised by the incredibles scaling great vid overall.
2 vids in 2 days goji is a 10/10 youtuber
You've misunderstood the concept of escape velocity in a couple of major ways.
1. Escape velocity is not the speed required to reach space; it's the speed required to leave Earth's gravity well entirely and escape off to infinity, without falling back down or entering an orbit. Getting into space only requires passing the Karman line, not infinite distance.
2. Escape velocity only applies to ballistic trajectories, in which no force except gravity is applied to an object after launch; it wouldn't apply to a super capable of in-air propulsion. In other words, it's the speed one would need to achieve in order to _jump_ off the planet, ignoring air resistance.
with the final episode of the boys, apparently starlight is somehow now closer at light speed in terms of travel speed
In the short, I think her reacting to the Lazer eyes is more so just a gag than a feat, but I feel like the incredibles should still have that general range of speed
jack jack alone solos with such little difficulty its actually insane
Imagine Butcher and Syndrome team up
To add to my previous comment, someone might have the idea to take a family member hostage. Each of those kids have proven to be capable of escaping people with similar powers as The Seven. Except for maybe a Homelander type figure. He's the only one who might break Violet's shield. Dash is quick to escape. Jack-jack is too young to understand what's going on, but will be an absolute terror to anybody in his way. When scared, he goes through a whole menu of powers at random 🤣, most of which counter all of The Seven's abilities.
The 7 are all the weakest archetype of their power / character there based off of except soldier boy. Thats not just compared to dc and marvel but most if not all the other comics and publishers as well
Isn't black noir based off of Batman and more openly superhuman?
@@nikodeherrera8274 Well you can scale Batman around or even above him and the skill difference is insane.
@@nikodeherrera8274 While Batman definitely wins, I think you are still right, they made Noir strangely strong for what archetype he plays.
Noir is Deadpool/snakeyes
@@internettraveler8666 I may be just misunderstanding what your comment means, but Noir is nowhere near as powerful as Deadpool?
9:11 I’d like to point out that it’s possible that Syndrome utilized his weaknesses to defeat him. The Omni might not scale to, y’know, Town or city range durability.
The Omnidroid model 04 defeated Hypershock, showing a high level of durability and AP. Even with weaknesses exploited, the Omnidroid had to counter Hypershock’s earthquake abilities. Mr. Incredible defeating the more advanced model 08 suggests he's at least on par with Hypershock in strength and durability. With a threat rating of 9.1, Mr. Incredible is rated higher than Hypershock (7.5) and Gamma Jack (7.9). in the training sessions with Omnidroids were direct combat, not just sneak attacks. The Kronos database shows Omnidroids were made to push heroes to their limits, proving their durability and power. Universal Man, with max indestructibility, was killed by Omnidroid model 01, showing even the strongest heroes can be defeated.
This supports that both Omnidroids and the heroes who defeat them can have town level ap.
Magnitude 6 is actually mountain level since it requires 264 megatons of tnt to replicate the force needed
Jack jack is the strongest in the entire incredible universe the only thing that really stops him is that he’s a kid, but he’s most likely gonna be old in the next film so he’s probably gonna be like Franklin Richards and Marvel
Catching the omindroid Mk 10 is equivalent to 840 elephants…
Can you do the Thundermans Vs the Seven (or one of them versus Homelander) next?
Dropping already
7:49 that's a hax ability. It's not like she can put the full power of that storm into a punch; it's just a bonus ability unrelated to physical strength.
Only one minute since the video was made
Starlight in the final season was shown to have flown off pretty fast with her light powers. Could be her light powers improved a lot. She should be above the deep and maybe around black noir. But yeah, it wouldn't help matters too much