Brilliant insights to help our understanding of the rotation of the arms & relationship to the body rotation. A key takeaway for me was the fact that you can’t simply use your arms in the downswing, especially not given the trail arm function & the way it has folded in the backswing. Yes you lead with the trail elbow but by pivoting back down to the ball.
Great video Chris, i've always been fine when practicing lead arm only, most of my issues come when i add my trail arm into the swing and i don't get my elbow in front enough causing a scope. Looking forward to giving this a go!
That makes a lot of sense. Recently I finally managed to figure out why pulls occasionally happen. In my case it's the body that is too slow in relation to the arms. Or the arms being too fast, whichever way you put it. Rhythm is the key for proper impact (given the technique is ok)
Chris super helpful amplifying what has got to happen with the trail arm (supination) blending the body rotation and adding some bowing of the lead wrist. Thus helping to achieve the hands forward position at impact. Big favour to ask please can you do a follow on video where you explore the release post impact for both hands? I start to see exciting Korean players use a tennis forehand release in the right hand. I see those same players then add in lots of lead arm pronation and naturally adding lead arm fold in the through swing. In particular please can you then relate these hand / wrist & arm movements to the golf club / actual release and emphasise when you reach crossover (trail hand overtakes lead hand). That’s a lot I know. Myles
Good video, Chris. Its interesting regards to how some talks about pulling and pushing the club. I have some what of a speed issue. I´m 15 hcp and I´m extremely right hand/arm dominat and have no feeling of my left/lead arm what so ever during my swing. I get a feeling that my right/trail arm/side dominance causese issues during the downswing since thats where I feel Ill get all my power from, with my shoulder movment that moves upp to early and gets me out of posture and that I never realy get that "flick" at the ball (beacause my trail arm is more focused on pushing and infact slowing me down) Does your lead arm "lead"? Are you aware of your lead side driving your swing?
Nice explanation and video but unfortunately it's incorrect. The engineering and design of the golf club actually produce this action because it's not center/face balanced like a tennis racket. Yes, they can make a center balanced golf club and the reason we don't use them today is because it wouldn't work. It's the fact that the golf club is NOT balanced that is the reason it DOES work. Therefore, teaching active control of the face is a bad idea because then the player is manipulating the club rather than the other way around, which is how the club is designed to work.
The engineering of the golf club produces this action? Can you explain that a little more, which part do the club produces the closing action of the face?
@@ChrisRyanGolf I just did. It's the unbalanced face that is the unseen genius of the golf club. The reason the golf club's general design hasn't changed in ~1000 years is because it works so well. If it didn't we'd design something else that does, but there literally is no design that works better than the current golf club. The key is it must be swung properly or it won't work and almost no one is swinging it properly.
@ sorry I’m not understanding your view point, you said the club is designed to create this action, but it’s a lump of metal, it doesn’t do anything unless we input some forces through the handle, which is what my vidoe was about. Lead arm supinates as I demonstrated wit the tennis racket, that’s fact, it’s measurable and proven. In fact, with the club head being off centre to the club shaft the club during the downswing naturally wants to fall open, so we have to work pretty hard to close the face, nothing automatic is happening in the club, all down to the golfer
Chris is explaining fundamental elements of what David Leadbetter tried to get across in the late 90’s in his fantastic video “The Golf Swing”. The one piece move away being all body rotation to 8 o’clock . followed by this forearm rotation and setting / hinging of the wrists ( a natural rotation of the arms, ) with the trail arm folding as the lead arm pronates and trail arm supinates. In a normal golf swing, which Chris simulates by first starting in a normal address position. Then Chris retains these arm and wrist address conditions and extends / removes his forward bend to allow him to swing on a horizontal swing plane. The main purpose of this video is to is to explain the main movement of the body (rotation) in relation to blending in forearm rotation. There is a little extra in his explanation of the benefits of being in flexion / bowed lead wrist as you approach impact (helps achieve hands forward/ shaft lean to compress the golf ball). You will also notice Chris has further opened his hips and his chest to partly face the target by the time of impact. Having pronated the lead arm post 8 o’clock, you must at some point reverse this to bring the club back into the ball with a square club face. This is clearly explained by Chris. This is plainly and simply a fact. What you add into your backswing you must take out by impact. Chris also explains how the trail arm also must fold and supinate in the backswing. So once again Chris explains the need to re-rotate the trail forearm as you move into impact. These re-rotation arm moves generally take plane from the “Delivery Position” / Last Parallel. Remember this is only intended to be a short video covering these key aspects of arm rotation with body rotation. Chris can’t cover every last item. If Chris were to do this demo with a real golf club it would be more difficult to see & understand the face orientation. But it would include additional elements relative to the fact that the hands would then be visibly lower at address than the club head and ball. In the post 8 o’clock lead arm rotation the hands move would move further away / move up to join the plane of the golf ball. But you can’t see this aspect as the tennis racket is more of a table tennis racket with a short shaft. Try and get your head around what Chris is teaching. I think it will really benefit your game.
@@ChrisRyanGolf I'm surprised that you, as a golf professional, have no idea how the golf club actually works. I know that sounds crazy and I mean no offense. You view it as a stupid stick that must be manipulated in order for it to work - the same as most everyone does. If that were true every engineer and R&D person at every golf club company for the past 500 years has been doing nothing and should be fired. If they haven't been making it work automatically, what the hell have they been doing? Also, the force that you view as causing it to "fall open" is actually the force that causes it to close - but again, only when used properly and almost no one does. The interesting part of this is that you know how to use it without actually knowing what it is that you're doing when you do. Again, I know that sounds crazy but it's true. You've learned to perform an action you're unaware of. This is why it's so hard for most people to learn golf - because the instructor can't teach the move or action that he doesn't know he's doing. One more thing, if the golf club didn't work on it's own a 5 year old child would not be able to pick up a club and be hitting shots within 15 minutes, but we've all seen them do it. And everyone always says the same thing, "I've been playing for 40 years and his swing is better than mine and he just started 15 minutes ago." How can that be if the child has no idea of how to actively manipulate the club? Are these children geniuses? No, the fact that they don't have a preconceived superficial knowledge of how the golf club works is what allows them to swing it so that IT teaches them how it works.
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That was a great way of communicating this phenomenon in the golf swing show your brilliant as a professional golf teacher. Thanks
Brilliant insights to help our understanding of the rotation of the arms & relationship to the body rotation. A key takeaway for me was the fact that you can’t simply use your arms in the downswing, especially not given the trail arm function & the way it has folded in the backswing. Yes you lead with the trail elbow but by pivoting back down to the ball.
Great video Chris, i've always been fine when practicing lead arm only, most of my issues come when i add my trail arm into the swing and i don't get my elbow in front enough causing a scope. Looking forward to giving this a go!
Fantastic simple explination.
That makes a lot of sense. Recently I finally managed to figure out why pulls occasionally happen. In my case it's the body that is too slow in relation to the arms. Or the arms being too fast, whichever way you put it. Rhythm is the key for proper impact (given the technique is ok)
Chris super helpful amplifying what has got to happen with the trail arm (supination) blending the body rotation and adding some bowing of the lead wrist. Thus helping to achieve the hands forward position at impact. Big favour to ask please can you do a follow on video where you explore the release post impact for both hands? I start to see exciting Korean players use a tennis forehand release in the right hand. I see those same players then add in lots of lead arm pronation and naturally adding lead arm fold in the through swing. In particular please can you then relate these hand / wrist & arm movements to the golf club / actual release and emphasise when you reach crossover (trail hand overtakes lead hand). That’s a lot I know. Myles
Brilliant Chris, just brilliant demonstration and explanation. Well done and thank you.
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Great video, Chris. Thanks
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Good video, Chris. Its interesting regards to how some talks about pulling and pushing the club. I have some what of a speed issue.
I´m 15 hcp and I´m extremely right hand/arm dominat and have no feeling of my left/lead arm what so ever during my swing. I get a feeling that my right/trail arm/side dominance causese issues during the downswing since thats where I feel Ill get all my power from, with my shoulder movment that moves upp to early and gets me out of posture and that I never realy get that "flick" at the ball (beacause my trail arm is more focused on pushing and infact slowing me down) Does your lead arm "lead"? Are you aware of your lead side driving your swing?
Sorry lead arm supination…..
Confirmation why even with strong grip my driver still pushing right!😂..poor released
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Nice explanation and video but unfortunately it's incorrect. The engineering and design of the golf club actually produce this action because it's not center/face balanced like a tennis racket. Yes, they can make a center balanced golf club and the reason we don't use them today is because it wouldn't work. It's the fact that the golf club is NOT balanced that is the reason it DOES work. Therefore, teaching active control of the face is a bad idea because then the player is manipulating the club rather than the other way around, which is how the club is designed to work.
The engineering of the golf club produces this action? Can you explain that a little more, which part do the club produces the closing action of the face?
@@ChrisRyanGolf I just did. It's the unbalanced face that is the unseen genius of the golf club. The reason the golf club's general design hasn't changed in ~1000 years is because it works so well. If it didn't we'd design something else that does, but there literally is no design that works better than the current golf club. The key is it must be swung properly or it won't work and almost no one is swinging it properly.
@ sorry I’m not understanding your view point, you said the club is designed to create this action, but it’s a lump of metal, it doesn’t do anything unless we input some forces through the handle, which is what my vidoe was about. Lead arm supinates as I demonstrated wit the tennis racket, that’s fact, it’s measurable and proven. In fact, with the club head being off centre to the club shaft the club during the downswing naturally wants to fall open, so we have to work pretty hard to close the face, nothing automatic is happening in the club, all down to the golfer
Chris is explaining fundamental elements of what David Leadbetter tried to get across in the late 90’s in his fantastic video “The Golf Swing”.
The one piece move away being all body rotation to 8 o’clock . followed by this forearm rotation and setting / hinging of the wrists ( a natural rotation of the arms, ) with the trail arm folding as the lead arm pronates and trail arm supinates. In a normal golf swing, which Chris simulates by first starting in a normal address position.
Then Chris retains these arm and wrist address conditions and extends / removes his forward bend to allow him to swing on a horizontal swing plane. The main purpose of this video is to is to explain the main movement of the body (rotation) in relation to blending in forearm rotation. There is a little extra in his explanation of the benefits of being in flexion / bowed lead wrist as you approach impact (helps achieve hands forward/ shaft lean to compress the golf ball). You will also notice Chris has further opened his hips and his chest to partly face the target by the time of impact. Having pronated the lead arm post 8 o’clock, you must at some point reverse this to bring the club back into the ball with a square club face. This is clearly explained by Chris. This is plainly and simply a fact. What you add into your backswing you must take out by impact. Chris also explains how the trail arm also must fold and supinate in the backswing. So once again Chris explains the need to re-rotate the trail forearm as you move into impact. These re-rotation arm moves generally take plane from the “Delivery Position” / Last Parallel. Remember this is only intended to be a short video covering these key aspects of arm rotation with body rotation. Chris can’t cover every last item. If Chris were to do this demo with a real golf club it would be more difficult to see & understand the face orientation. But it would include additional elements relative to the fact that the hands would then be visibly lower at address than the club head and ball. In the post 8 o’clock lead arm rotation the hands move would move further away / move up to join the plane of the golf ball. But you can’t see this aspect as the tennis racket is more of a table tennis racket with a short shaft. Try and get your head around what Chris is teaching. I think it will really benefit your game.
@@ChrisRyanGolf I'm surprised that you, as a golf professional, have no idea how the golf club actually works. I know that sounds crazy and I mean no offense. You view it as a stupid stick that must be manipulated in order for it to work - the same as most everyone does. If that were true every engineer and R&D person at every golf club company for the past 500 years has been doing nothing and should be fired. If they haven't been making it work automatically, what the hell have they been doing? Also, the force that you view as causing it to "fall open" is actually the force that causes it to close - but again, only when used properly and almost no one does.
The interesting part of this is that you know how to use it without actually knowing what it is that you're doing when you do. Again, I know that sounds crazy but it's true. You've learned to perform an action you're unaware of. This is why it's so hard for most people to learn golf - because the instructor can't teach the move or action that he doesn't know he's doing.
One more thing, if the golf club didn't work on it's own a 5 year old child would not be able to pick up a club and be hitting shots within 15 minutes, but we've all seen them do it. And everyone always says the same thing, "I've been playing for 40 years and his swing is better than mine and he just started 15 minutes ago." How can that be if the child has no idea of how to actively manipulate the club? Are these children geniuses? No, the fact that they don't have a preconceived superficial knowledge of how the golf club works is what allows them to swing it so that IT teaches them how it works.