I might be enjoying Remix more than Next
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I don't think Remix will ruin everything when they get round to using server components. The people behind Remix are so much more interested in keeping aligned with web standards and I can't see them introducing RSC until they're totally happy that it will be a positive experience for everyone - users and developers. This means making everything predictable and introducing instinctive abstractions.
Started a project in Next.js and it quickly felt bloated and inconvenient. After 15 days, I gave Remix a try, loved it, and recoded the project in Remix. It's been 3 months of uninterrupted coding now, best decision ever. Now I'm moving away from Vercel as well...
Remix seems to be a little bit more stable than nextjs app router
I've been using Remix for close to a year now. It does have a learning curve to it but it's pretty great. I am excited to see the community growing.
Remix is a great asset for production-ready projects
Wow Cody, finally great to see you joining the Remix gang now :) We've been waiting for you..
Those features of loaders, actions, and the Form component in Remix are things that I have used with just react router dom. Looks like I'm going to learn Remix since I'm already used to using those things.
yeah Remix is built on top of react router, so the transition is easy
I've been a longtime user of Next.js in my projects, but after giving Remix a try, I find it remarkably easy to use and is super intuitively. Transitioning from react-router was even smoother, making the switch quite seamless. I totally agree with this review
Unfortunately, the developer experience does not always correlate with market demands. And from what I see, the market share for react and next is still strong comapred to these lesser-known frameworks.
But why?
@@wongtungtung7456 Because its backed by Vercel and Vercel is massive.
naturally. still developer experience is the key though. but yeah, it's javascript world 😂. and it's good to see, like web dev cody with remix, james q quick with astro, etc. even bun vs deno, let's see.
🥳 Remix is simply great! The developer experience is unmatched!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.... it will be great if you post more videos related to Remix.
When hosting remix on vercel you can set the s-maxage cache control headers in the loader function to get the CDN SWR cache behaviour (which is similar to ISR)
oh, very nice
@@WebDevCody a good article to read is nextjs Vs remix on remix's blog which discusses several cache strategies
I've used remix for a project before and it was really cool. If you've used react router then you'll find it much easier to understand the routing in remix since remix also created react router lol.
Another nice little thing about remix is they even recreated the error boundary as a functional component so we don't have to touch the default class component like in next js.
The Dev Experience is smoothier with Remix. While coding you know Remix is there but it still feels like a pure create-react-app experience.
Oh, I felt I was the only one who had that crash! Also, I found that components often got messed up CSS\SCSS when rendered on a server. Classes hierarchy breaks, and highest classes attributes might be overridden by base classes. Server-to-Client mismatch errors are quite a pain in the ass as well. It's really hard to debug when it's only happening on production...
In the end, you need to enforce\simulate common components behavior quite a lot. Almost any tension to state management, handled navigation, or user behavioral tracking with experimentation will hit a sell of SSG\ISG capabilities, and you need to fallback to SSR\CSR.
And Remix's approach really seems like something I'm trying to milk from Next.
The routing is based on React Router 6, and that's really handy and well-supported by libs.
While updating to every next NEXT(sorry) version takes much longer time for a considerations..
Same experience where I kept having to restart the npm run dev and it takes so long to compile the page
Thanks for all your content, what do you think of astro?
Astro is nice as well, I personally just don’t like the difference between coding in an Astro specific syntax vs dropping down into react / vue. Astro feels like I’m using two different libraries just to build a dynamic application. But for a static multi page app I’d pick astro due to how small the output files are
What is your opinion on svelte/sveltekit? I've seen some code a few days ago and I've been diving into it and loving it so far. I would personally love to see a video of you bringing your thoughts of svelte, either as a newcomer or an experienced dev
I've used it once before, I like it but the idea of single file components turns me away
I'm trying to get into react from using jquery for like 5 years with Laravel SSR. I'm building an SPA for a RESTAPI backend on Laravel. I need dynamic routing, should I use react and react router or something like Remix or Nextjs?
How do you feel about it now? I'm thinking about changing after 3 years of solid nextjs.
Atta boy!!
Hey man this is yet another video. What helped me with the Next dev server crashes was to use node lts. I was running on Node 20+ and I my server kept crashing. Node 18.17.1 seems to work fine. But dev server is still slow
I'm currently on node 18x. Someone mentioned it's related to react-icons causes next to run out of memory... but I'm not sure at this point and I don't have the time to debug
For me it start crashing when moved from 16 to 18
Can you upload a video of using any ui framework like react bootstrap in remix
I highly recommend that u give sveltekit a shot
remix has server components now as well
what is this amazing font in vscode?
These are the same reasons why I've been using qwik more than react(next) recently
The thing that I really don't like about nextjs is the cache system. It works until it doesn't. Things that I just don't want to worry until I really need to.
Exactly, caching should always be opt in.
How do i add loading on server side in remix? , in next js, i can create a file call loading.tsx
Outside of your work and saas, how do you improve as a dev? Do you play around with these different frameworks? Is that how?
Yeah just play around with various things, watch other TH-camrs report stuff they’ve been learning or playing around with, experiment on things at work sometimes
I'm having so many issues with everything related to caching in next 13, it's soooo frustrating. Non intuitive behavior regarding the useRouter API, client cache not having any optout at all. I find myself having to reach for useEffect and window.location API, which completely defeats the purpose of using next 13 at all. How did we end up in a situation in which the mainstream react framework is a mess? 😫😫
"they will ruin everything with server components" haha that's how it feels with Next a lot of the time, just a lot of extra complexity on top of something that was already working like a charm !
I used to have that dev server memory crash on next all the time, it was super annoying and then I set some config option in next config, (I'll have to look at which one) and it totally disappeared, and so did the problem with (literally) 30 second page loads on the dev server.
It was this, drop this in your next config object (root) and love life again:
experimental: {
esmExternals: false,
},
I think u r saviour
What is the vscode theme you’re using? Thank you!
I wonder the same
Im literally getting the same errors as you, i freaked out the first time that i ran out of memory. Im getting issues with redirecting too, and the cache is giving me headaches
I’ll check back in a few months when maybe they fix their framework
Remix is simple and awesome
Is Next 13 really that bad? Ive been building my saas for the last 6 weeks with the app router and overall its great, yea the slow dev server and the experimental stuff can be annoying, but overall its 100x better than using plain react and figuring out how to do the same complex stuff with Express and then claw my brains out trying to figure out how to deploy it
Thanks.
I mean, I’ve never had a Ui framework constantly crash on me saying out of memory and take seconds to reload simple changes at times. Are you using server actions, or do you just use RSC and revalidatePath & refresh when data updates?
@@WebDevCody I use server actions and router.refresh when data updates yes. In development my site is slow, but the deployed version is blazing fast.
It fells bad when your static-vs-dynamic data vision is different from Vercel's vision. And for sure it's better than pure react. So thins transition from React to Next and then to something more suitable for your domain - seems natural.
Do you recommend devs that are newer to react but not to web dev learn next’s page router rather than app router?
I think the app router is ok, but I wouldn't use any experimental / beta features unless you're just playing around.
@@WebDevCody What do you mean expirmental/beta features? Do you mean not have the final production level app with the App router?
@@eshw23 I mean server actions are experimental
React-query is not needed in remix, due to the way it handles revalidation
I’m using a backend as a service which updates data live as it changes via websockets
Hi, which vscode the you are using?
bearded theme
that "use client" stuff is a total breaker. a framework that keep changing unreasonably, is no good framework. i'd been using next for more than 3 years and kept up with its changes. i loved it, i build an ecosystem of stacks with it. and now, it totally breaks it.
because application is built not just by a framework. but with the ecosystem of technologies working together.
and next14 just breaks it and we have to rethink again.
i'd been keeping up with its changes but i think not this time. as of my research, I'm hyped about qwik city, solid start and astro.
You dont need loader to get the params
App Router was a mistake. This is at least how me and some of my colleagues think. We'll be sticking to the pages dir for a while now. It's been working like a charm.
Except the app router is better in every way
If that’s your experience, more power to you. I like my code without layers of abstraction.
Remix seems more stable, but for my brain very confusing. I will just contuine with next.js 😅
Probably the docs fault but seems like your example where you had a button on click using useNavigate should probably just use the Link component?
I’d need to check my code, but I think I create a database record first then I navigate to the room
@@WebDevCody sounds like might be a good place to experiment with an action potentially.
We recently did a Hackathon day learning remix at work and getting lost in the docs was a common issue feel the pain!
The more I get into trouble with Next.js the more I want to try Remix. I hope it is not worse... These meta-frameworks are not mature enough
what is this amazing theme?
bearded theme
what is that vscode theme ?
Bearded theme stained blue
thanks a lot@@WebDevCody
what are the docs like? react router docs are pretty... uh, 'messy'. it's definitely put me off remix a little
Try Nuxt3
I have, I like nuxt
How did you grow a beard so fast lol
I eat my mini wheats
so you have completely abandoned Next/React for Remix, right?
nope, I decided to stick to next
@@WebDevCody why so?
Why?
I heard that salary of web-developers will decline by 70% because of AI is that true ? And what we should about it?
maybe one day, but AI keeps giving me bad answers, so the AI should be paying me more to fix their issues
I call cap on that one
The docs used to be better, then they switched to the "re export of react router"
yeah I'm not very impressed with the docs, they seem very all over the place
Im pretty sure the only reason Remix still exists is because of shopify
I agree Next is never stable, you have something working and a little upgrade and then boom a lot of functionality doesn't work
Looking great, though "V2_MetaFunction" is ugly as all hell
Yeah Remix docs sucks