2018 GMC YUKON DENALI - Is The Luxury SUV Really Worth $80K?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2018
- The answer is yes. With other luxury SUVs approaching or exceeding $100K (Escalade, Lexus LX 570, INFINITI QX80, etc.) the 2018 GMC Yukon Denali (www.gmc.com/suvs/yukon-denali-...) delivers a lot for its price tag.
UPDATE - All the interior seats are leather-appointed.
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Here's a full look and review of the luxurious, full-size SUV.
The 2018 GMC Yukon is $69,165. The Denali Ultimate Package is $7,930. The press vehicle I drove also had Iridium Metallic paint, a $395 option. With GMC's $1,295 destination charge, the total was $77,785 (there was a $1,000 Denali package savings incentive). So with tax, it's more than $80,000.
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I just purchased my new 2019 GMD Denali Black edition. I love it. Thanks for the great video. You were specific and good info.
Thanks for watching and enjoy the Denali, great choice!
Awesome trucks I would never pay full price brand new. Just buy them used
That's the smart way to do it!
I guess Im kinda randomly asking but does anyone know of a good site to stream new series online ?
How does a Denali trim NOT have leather seats ... that makes no sense ... they have all leather seats
My mistake, the front seats are "leather appointed." I think it's the main reason it's not quite as nice as an Escalade.
Luxury Fred well it goes Tahoe then Yukon then Escalade
this review sucks
Luxury Fred they are leather 🙄
Maybe Fred is driving a none leather seats one. lol... My Denali is loaded with Leather seats and shining.
Definitely has full leather. I just bought one and it has leather on every seat. Other than that review is as I would have said it. Monster torque and power and very quiet. Every bell and whistle I could ever imagine needing.
Thanks for watching and for your comment. Enjoy it!!!
We just bought a used 2018 Denali that looks exactly like this one. I never thought I would say this but I like my 2020 Ram Laramie a lot more. Granted it's not an apples to apples comparison because the technology in the Denali is now 7 years old. My back up camera on the Ram looks like a high def TV where the Denali looks like fisher price.
As you said, it's not a fair comparison as the tech is two years newer. May I ask if you got a warranty with it? Thanks for watching the video. Make sure you check out my video for the Yukon Graphite Performance edition, their seriously hardcore SUV: th-cam.com/video/GtMmLV8Axis/w-d-xo.html
I love the SUV and the leather, I love the looks and it’s my dream car. My aunt has one and I enjoy riding it it.
Me too, I was impressed.
I want this to. Its my dream truck to
Thinking of getting 2018 denali xl in the 50k range . I hope I am making the right decision! I was think 2021 tahoe but hearing of all kind of recalls/issues.
Can you get it as a certified pre-owned? I would always get something with a warranty. You would save a lot of money with a 2018 vs. a brand new one, I always suggested going with something used, not new. Thanks for watching and let me know what you end up doing!
@@FreddySherman yes I am looking at CPO. keep you posted. Thanks.
Good presentation and good job, Fred.
Thanks for watching. I'm driving a Mercedes GLS 450 this week, which is kind of similar.
I just looked at a Denali all the seats were leather😞
On this one, I'm pretty sure only the front ones were. I checked the window sticker and it says "Perforated, leather-appointed heated and vented front seats." It refers to the rear seats and third row, butdoesn't say they're leather-appointed. Thanks for watching!
@@FreddySherman All the seats are leather. The front ones are perforated because they are also ventilated (cooled)
@@FranciscoLopez-vm9dd Thanks for watching and for your comment. It's just weird they reference leather for the front seats but when they mention the other seats, it doesn't say leather (on the window sticker).
@KTv Thank you for watching and for your comment. Yes, this one was a convertible as it didn't say it had a roof. Seriously though, it's not about relying on the window sticker, the seats felt different, not like the front ones. Also, GMC hypes all the details on the window sticker, so it seemed glaring to not say it. Other GM cars, like the Escalade, do say rear or third row seats with leather appointed seating surfaces, but this one didn't. I am still not 100 percent sure about it.
Fred, That's what I thought. 80K without a leather seats will not get my money period. lol
I'm thinking of switching over from European cars to GMC. Don't know much about them but I love the Denali. How reliable are they ? I love this 2018 one on the video.
Very reliable if properly maintained. The big difference is these have three rows of seats and the second row people don't need to move to access the third row. No Euro SUV offers that size. Get a used, certified pre-owned with the lowest mileage you can find.
Thanks for the info. I am looking at a pre-owned one. I’ll let you know what my experience has been after. Thanks for the info
@@alexrobles6734 Please do!! Check out this one, Graphite Performance Edition: th-cam.com/video/GtMmLV8Axis/w-d-xo.html
Trust me, Fred. Every bit of the seats in the Denali are leather. Also, you can get a basic Escalade for 74k, and a Yukon Denali for 72k with just the Open Road package. The Yukon is a better deal because it's loaded and comes with most options, where as a Escalade is base at 74k. A loaded Escalade is upwards of 98k for the same packages. But they both have leather in all 3 rows
Hey, thanks for watching and for your comments. I do trust you, it's just the window sticker for the one I drove says "front leather-appointed, heated and cooled seats" and then mentions the other seats without saying leather.
Strange, yes. It's that way on the specs as well (online). But if you build one, it clearly states leather. I just got myself a Acadia Denali and it is a lot more clear that ALL seats are leather on the Specs. Not sure who wrote the specs for the Yukon lol but they did a terrible job.
Well I've asked my PR contact at GMC, about the specific vehicle I drove. Here's what the window sticker says:
Perforated leather-appointed heated and vented front seats
2nd row heated bucket seats power release (no mention of leather)
3rd row 60/40 split bench power fold seat (no mention of leather)
2018 Yukon Denali Iridium Metallic with Cocoa / Dark Atmosphere
It just didn't feel like leather on those seats to me and I think GMC would use every opportunity possible on there to write the word leather or leather-appointed.
Maybe they cheaped out because the price was getting way up there and they needed to stay below the Cadillac version, since they share most components and ride the same platform. My sticker on my Acadia Denali clearly makes mention of all seats being leather. Would be interested in finding out for sure. Maybe I'll do some digging.
The active noise cancelation is for the exhaust drone. Not for road or wind noise.
Really? That makes sense, but you still need to eliminate or reduce the road and wind noise. The new Buicks do it very well with acoustically laminated glass and special insulation around the wheel wells.
Luxury Fred triple door seals, double laminated glass, plus its body on frame. The 6.2 always had the issue with drone. And the cylinder deactivation makes it worse. It's the nature of the beast. So gm got Bose involved to help with the problem.
Good info, thank you.
Luxury Fred You Rock! Thank you for the video!
Thank you for watching it!
Nice video
He may be thinking about the Yukon SLE. It has cloth seats.
Wow, so many people are focused on this. To me, the second and third row seats in the Denali didn't feel like leather. I'm driving an INFINITI QX80 this week and those seats all feel like (and are) leather. Also on the Yukon, the window sticker I received from GMC only said the front seats had leather seating surfaces. It mentioned the folding rear seats and the third row seats separately, but didn't say they were leather. Car companies usually take every opportunity to say leather, so when I didn't see it listed there, and they didn't feel like leather to me, that's why I said that.
Were the aerial shots filmed using AirDog?
No they were filmed with Yuneec Typhoon H drone.
Thanks for watching and I checked out the AirDog website, never heard of it before, thanks for the heads up. Looks very cool. The Typhoon H has a follow me mode, it tracks the controller and I was using that mode.
But wait.. Is it quiet?
When the video reviewer gets the basics wrong its time to move on. Save your time.
Why so mad? You need to get yourself to a GMC dealer. In the Yukon Denali I tested, only the front seats are "leather appointed" not the rear or the third row. Thanks for watching!
Dude Looks like steven Spielberg!
Never heard that one before, but thank you. I wish I had his bank account.
He is sitting on a leather seat 😂😂 and all the seats are too
You need to read the comments. The window sticker said only the front seats were leather. And they aren't full leather seats, only leather seating surfaces. But thank you for watching!
@@FreddySherman no vehicles ever have done only the front that makes no sense that tag was clearly typoed or you made that up
@@christianstylezinc9224 Nope, there are many vehicles that offer only leather on the front seats. This doesn't have leather seats, it has "leather appointed seating surfaces". This was weird because the window sticker says only the front seats. If all the seats were leather, I think it would say that, as a sales point. Thanks for watching!
The interior is full leather, with real wood and aluminum accents. Honestly the fact you said it doesn’t come with leather, which is obvious it does since all you have to do is look, completely ruined your credibility for this review.
I didn't say that. I said the front seats were leather and the rear ones didn't feel like it to me. It's not full leather, it's leather appointed, which means only the faces of the seats are leather, not the whole seat. Also the window sticker only says the front seats are "leather appointed" and doesn't say the rear seats are leather too. But hey, at least you watched it.
@@FreddySherman you did say it didnt have leather exterior so just because it dont got leather back seats it's not a good vehicle? By your logic?
Thanks for watching. I think if you're selling a premium SUV with a luxury package, like a Denali, all the seats should be leather, including the 2nd and 3rd rows. If you were paying $100K for an SUV, wouldn't you expect them all to be leather? None of them are full leather, they have "leather appointed seating surfaces.:
Nice truck i can't wait to get one used after it devalues 60% in about a couple of years.
Now that's the smart way to buy a car! Thank you for watching.
I have a whole Fleet of GM's but i would never pay full sticker for one.
@@Cityoftrees1911 Smart man!
Just buy me a used at 60K miles. Loves it. Denali fully loaded.
Smart man to buy used. They are great vehicles, congrats and enjoy it!! Thanks for watching.
Luxury Fred I was watching and you mentioned this Denali is a none leather seats? That’s weird that at this price they still make a none leather seats! 😂😂😂 I wouldn’t even look at one if that’s the case. ✅✅✅
@@denvernuggets007 Here is the situation. On the specific press Yukon Denali I had, the window sticker only said the front seats were leather. And not full leather, only "leather appointed seating surfaces". It was weird to me the window sticker would only say front seats have leather, not all seats. To me, the back and third row seat did not feel like leather like the front seat. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.
Enjoy it while you can. These are the last generation of great American V8 engine cars. In the future people will only have 4 cylinder cars and not really understand how nice V8 actually was.
I agree. Although some of those twin-turbo V6s are really nice. I just had one in the LS 500 Lexus with 420 hp.
+Luxury Fred
There is a quality and smoothness in V8 that is not in V6 engines even though some of the twin turbo or super charger combinations do offer smooth drive I still do not think they have the all round ability of a V8.
My F150 with its V6 engine does not seem to have as much grunt when being pushed as my older V8 GMC even though on paper the F150 has more horsepower.
You get this same feeling when driving older American cars with their super smooth V8 engines.
I tend to agree but not in all cases. I just had the Lexus GX 460 SUV with their 4.6L V8 and it was a slow dog. Only 301 hp and 329 ft-lb of torque, which was disappointing. Also horrible gas mileage, I averaged only 16 mpg on a road trip from LA to San Francisco.
The seats are leather!
Leather-appointed!! Sorry for my error, if you looked at the window sticker, it only says the front seats are leather-appointed. But I did verify it with GMC and you're right, they're all leather (appointed).
Mine has heated and cooled leather seats, leather on dash, doors etc etc. if it isn’t leather then no car has leather
Sounds beautiful. But you may have "leather-appointed seating surfaces" like this one, which means only the front of the seat, which touches your back and butt, is leather, the rest is not. On this SUV, the window sticker listed the front seats and the second row seats as having those leather seating surfaces but did not mention the third row. You know car companies always hype their options, so they would have said third row too, right?
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Yea, you lost your credibility, All Denali models have at least leather seats. Hell my 2007 Tahoe had an optional leather seats.
Why pay $80K for a brand new Yukon if you can get a gently used Escalade for $80K?
First, I agree with you. But, you can lease a new Yukon for a lower monthly payment than what you would pay the used Escalade and that's what many people use as a gauge. Also sometimes there may be greater tax benefits to the lease.
you've got to get your information straight dear, you said it doesn't have a leather interior while you were sitting on them. so either get ur facts straight or get ur eye sight checked
Dear, it doesn't have a leather interior, it has "leather appointed seating surfaces." Only the part that touches your butt and your back is leather. The third row seat does not have leather, only from the front and second row. My facts are straight and my eyes are reasonably good and thank you for watching.
No leather? Are we sure we talking about the Denali lol
LOL to GMC as the seats are not full leather, they only have "leather appointed seating surfaces" which just means the parts your back and butt touch are leather, the rest of the seat is not. And to me, the third row seats felt like they were not the same leather (or not leather at all) as the other two rows.
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@@FreddySherman you sure you're not talking about the SLE? Because I have the SLT and mine is full leather sir
Check your window sticker or build sheet, does it say "full leather" or does it say "leather appointed seating surfaces"?@@zimunda3252
$80,000 no thanks. Buy 3 or 4 year used and save yourself about $30-$35k, depending on mileage.
I agree 100 percent, that's the smart way to do it. Especially with a certified pre owned warranty.
I bought a 2015 LTZ Tahoe 3 years used with low mileage and save a lot of $$$.
@@svongsa Smart man. Which engine does the LTZ have?
They look like leather seats my mom has a 2017 and it has leather seats.
They are leather, I was wrong. The window sticker said the front seats were leather but didn't say the other ones were. But they are. Leather-appointed seating surfaces, not full leather seats. Thanks for watching!
Why are you driving it like a sports car?
Why not? I don't need to haul anything or anyone around.
If you say so
I try to drive it in all conditions and circumstances. Some people race around in them, I wanted to see what that was like and how performed when you really jumped on it.
Denali is the top of the line why would they only put leather in the front seat😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
You have to ask GMC! I'm still trying to confirm the situation. The window sticker says only the front seats are "leather-appointed" and the back and third row did not feel like leather to me.
Your not paying over 40k for a car or truck and not get real leather .. you do know its over 200 different types of leather. .. from touch to color and more
As I have replied before, it doesn't have leather seats, it has "leather appointed seating surfaces". The window sticker lists only the front and second row seats as having those "leather appointed seating surfaces" and they would list the third row too if it had them! And yes, you can get a few Lexus or MBZ models without leather. MBZ calls it MB Tex and Lexus calls it some other name.
@@FreddySherman 🤯
@@vikingsquadnation5704 I do agree with your original idea, you should not be paying over $40K and not get leather!!
@@FreddySherman but for real. They are leather. If you want to be picky 😉 then say 70% leather.. why? The part you feel and see is real. But because the sides and under is not is the reason they have to say - leather seating surfaces... because its not all 100% leather ... some of their truck lines have man made leather as well. But if you get the top of the line truck or denali your setting on leather on the front side. Thats all that counts ..
@@FreddySherman it would be good is they have 100% nappa leather for the 2021 tho ...
This dude smokes weed like no tomorrow that it dries up his brain and forgot what is leather..
Working in law enforcement, it's hard to smoke weed, but thanks for watching. The third row seats are not labeled as leather on the window sticker. In the Escalade, the third row seats are not leather. I hope you get to ride in an Escalade someday, they are great vehicles!
I have 2018 Ford Expedition Max Platinum..and love it..
Very cool. It's like a luxury car with a big bed!
GM/GMC loses big SUV battle to Ford/Lincoln IF u are putting anyone older than 12 in 3rd row. Seating angles HURT back there, in GM's. Hips below knees. Girls in dresses are not happy! Also, Lincoln/Ford's newer interiors win!
THanks for watching and for your comments. I need to check out the Ford / Lincoln vehicles to compare them. You know the 3rd row gets a bit more leg room in the XL / Suburban / Caddy EXT models, but the seating angle may be the same.
I rather get an Cadillac Escalade for that price
That's the thing, you can't. The Escalade will cost you at least $20K more.
I’ve had both, and it depends. They are very much alike but the Escalade has just to much BS and I hate the taillights and all the lines when I compared them. Since 2003 I’ve owned 2 New Escalades and 3 new Denali’s all Loaded to the Max. Before I made my choice on the new at the time I 2016 Denali Completely Loaded Black Onyx with the 22’ Black Wheels (3999.00 option at the time) as well as the equivalent 2016 Escalade Black Onyx with 22’ Black Cadillac Wheels the with every option available which is the Platinum Edition. I preferred the Denali over the Escalade simply because if you see them side by side I like the cleaner lines on the Denali, and it’s got a lot less badging in Chrome etc. I didn’t care about the 40,990 price difference. I think I paid 83k and the Escalade was like 124k with what I wanted as far as options. I just traded my 2016 4 days before Christmas for the newest 2018 Denali Ultimate Package and had the dealer take my black wheels off of my old one and put the new tires on them and put the 2018’ wheels on the 16. I didn’t get the Ultimate Black Edition because I didn’t like the chrome on the Black wheels. I like the solid black. But it’s all in what a guy likes. The only difference truly in the Ultimate Black and Ultimate is the color and Wheels. The Ultimate comes in all colors but Black and the Black Ultimate is the reason why when looking at the top shelf of SUVs. I don’t like all the Suede in the Escalade Platinums onnthe seats, although the headliner is sweet. It’s just “Too Much” on something that’s already “a lot”. My 2016 has the Light Tan Interior and light wood, it popped when you opened the door. But this new Dark Atmosphere in the Ultimate is the way to go. It’s sweet how they mix Dark Grey seats with Rich Brown Carpeting, the lower and Upper Dash are Dark Rich Brown, and the aluminum accents are a light cooper color. And the technology differences are absolutely so noticeable. One of the Denali’s with this being my 3rd in less than 4 years was when the 1500 Truck Came out with the 6.2. I’ve always drove Diamond White Escalades and Denali’s until I saw that 16’ SUV and built mine online with the Black Wheels. So now I’m on my 2nd which this one is harder loaded than the 16’ and the apps you can get like the WSJ and several others are awesome. I have the performance upgrade on this one to, the cold air filter etc, and the new performance upgrade they can install. So with a factory vehicle that’s got 420 HP I’m getting a about 464 @ 5,500 RPMs in Auto mode (AWD) its 0-60 in like 4.6 seconds. They are all so sweet. I’ve driven the X6 M and The Mercedes. GMC gives you so much more bang for your money. Whether you like the Escalade or Denali. Take it from someone whose owned both. Go drive the highest end of both and you will feel what I’m saying. The Escalade doesn’t feel like a Performance Luxury SUV. It’s a little soft. Some like that. I’m like into Lambos and Ferrari 458s as well. Go drive a 2018 Denali Ultimate Black Package and see what I mean and tell them to have the Escalade ready when you get back. All in on this one I think with all upgrades taxes and all I was around 87,500. It’s all about what suits your fancy even looking at vehicles in the 100k range and up. Good Luck!!
So much great information, thank you! I am getting a 2018 Escalade next week to review, not sure which version.
The 2018 is 4 on the Denalis for me. I’ve had 04 Escalade new and then I got the newer body style and that’s when I switched to Denalis. Actually I traded a 2010 Escalade Diamond White for a Denali Diamond White. They are so similar when you get them loaded out other then the suede in the Platinums. The 2nd Denali was the 2015 4x4 truck, the 1500 with the 6.2. I’m a SUV and a sports car guy, but I also like luxury sedans. After owning some BMW amd MB thru the years from M5. - SL500 I’ve stuck with a Lexus LS460L Mark Levison Edition with the reclining heat and cooled rear seats. It’s only about 400 HP and kinda slow 0-30. It from 30-140 mph I love how quiet the Lexus IS compared to BMW and MB. It’s “soft” kinda like the Escalade is to me compared to the Denali. And trust me, I would have bought the Escalade esp here this 2nd time from going to the 16 to the 18 Denali Ultimate Package. My solid black 22’ GMC wheels look way better to me than the black and chrome and I don’t like the Chrome on the mirrors. I had it painted black lol on the new one. I think I’ve got 1,800 miles and that’s mainly a trip from Texas back home to Ms. get what you like. They are both sweet. I like to be different and my vehicles to have my own personal touch. Oh, also of you go with the Platinum get the new Ceramic brake upgrade. It’s 2500.00. Man it’s crazy with a little work how quiet, luxurious, and powerful they stop with the brakes but they will launch to in Auto mode but if you want to spin put it in 2 wd. Lol. But I can hold my brake and launch and it’s doing 0-60 in about 4.6 secs and that’s just with a couple of upgrades. My old 2013 Zo6 Vette would do 0-60 in 3.8 and it feels faster because of the sound but I think the SUV is more appropriate and better for me doing business in. But I’m mailing my old Lexus out lol it’s a 2013 and I have like 90k on it now. I’m going to buy a certified PreOwned LS500 in probably 2020. Get like a 18’ or something because the new LS with the Executive Pkg is running about 150k.
Either way you will be pleased and now they pretty much drive themselves on the highway and in traffic. They correct when you cross or touch the lines and hit the brakes when cars cut in front of you and are great for city commutes if you need to do some emails or something on your IPad. Oath the Escalade and Denali have the same systems and there are no differences and after driving one for almost 2 years and getting into the latest and greatest I didn’t see a difference with the Intelli-Drive systems. Happy Trails. Also this guy saying they don’t have leather is obviously not the guy that should be doing reviews on these vehicles. No pun intended.
The Denali I reviewed only had front "leather appointed" seats. The rear and third row seats were not leather. Thanks for watching and for most of your comments, head to a dealer to check out the 2018s.
I think youre leaning back a bit much lil man.
malski826 If the seat's too low, I just sit on my fat wallet.
Sadly it is still a GM product so the answer to your question is....no it is not worth $80,000
I wonder about that. It's competitively priced with other full-size SUVs, the big ones from INFINITI and Lexus are smaller and now are more than $100K. I would like to have it for six months and really see how it holds up. If I was buying one, I would go certified pre-owned. Thank you for watching.
dude doesn't know what half of the features do....how can you review a car you don't know. c'mon man do your research
First, thank you for watching. I was pretty clear that I don't normally drive SUVs, I'm just a regular guy giving my opinion. I'm a travel writer telling people what the vehicle is like to drive and showing them around, I'm not a car expert. Also, I can bet more than half the people who buy a Yukon, will never use it to tow anything and also don't know what a lot of those features are.
Yep I think you're probably right. But I also think that's why a lot of people watch reviews like this on TH-cam, so they can find answers to their questions. But hey, I think you've got a good brand and if you're able to support your lifestyle this way then I give you credit. Cheers.
There are hundreds of reviews here on TH-cam by car experts and channels that focus on cars and car reviews. This channel is called Luxury Fred because it's all about my take on things. My videos are supplements for my written coverage. More than a lifestyle, this is my job, I'm a featured luxury travel writer for several magazines and websites.
Isn't that what any review is, a personal "take" on things? Hey keep up the great work kid!
When you take the time to write a comment like "dude doesn't know what half of the features do....how can you review a car you don't know. c'mon man do your research" it seems you seek more than a personal take on things. That's why there are hundreds of expert reviews out there for you to watch.
Nope not worth $80k. Especially now a days. Interior is dated. Need a refreshed look/ redesign with all technology (autonomous driving, active cruise control, auto parking etc etc) AND 3rd row more plush, and elevated so adult can sit in without their knees to their chest.... then maybe price can be justified!
Thanks for watching and I think I agree with you. I think the main selling point is the size and that you can access that third row while people are sitting in the second row.
sheikh711 no
Is this a joke ? Way to do a $5k walk around on a $80k vehicle. Maybe you should do a Dodge dart walk around seems like the Denali is a bit much for you .
Not sure what you mean, but thank you for watching and commenting. I had the Yukon for a week and this is an-almost 20 minute review and road test of it. As someone who focuses on luxury cars and luxury travel, my minimum car value is $50K for a review so the Dart wouldn't work for me. I'm sure it's a great car and I'm glad you enjoy driving it.
@@FreddySherman I'm a GMC guy , we have a 2019 Sierra and 2019 Yukon Denali . You weren't even sure if it had leather lol .
@@stephencataldo2574 I'm still not sure. To me, the rear and third row seats feel differently. On the window sticker, it only says front leather-appointed seating surfaces, it doesn't mention the second or third row. The window sticker has every detail, as they want to promote features, so it seems like they left it off intentionally (because they're not leather).
And if you're a GMC guy, be sure to watch my review of the Yukon Graphite Performance Edition th-cam.com/video/GtMmLV8Axis/w-d-xo.html
Nope
Sadly, I think it is, when they're charging $100K for Lexus LX, Escalade, Lincoln Navigator, etc.!
Luxury Fred I have the old 2013 Denali and my look beautiful it just don't have the new model look that all everything else is the same lol
They are great trucks! And if I was buying one, I would get a nice used one like a 2013.
I would rather buy a Porsche panamera
Me too. But you can't fit eight people and a dog in a Panamera!