Just for a sense of scale, an Imperial class Star Destroyer is just about the size of a escort vessel of the God-Emperor's Navy. At 5 kilometers long on average, the Luna class Cruiser is more than triple the length and of much greater tonnage.
Star Destroyer or Luna class Cruiser, i gladly choose to use both. it is a thing of beauty when these ships are on duty. they also make great firework shows of those you use them on. suffer not the traitor or heretic to live.
Yeah. Pity the GW designers have no sense of scale, so IoM ships have ridiculous proportions and aspects. 500meter high windows, guns that are literally, physically impossible to fit inside the hull, rivets the size of the high-rise buildings.
@@Miestwin they have no sense of distance or logistics either. For example some Imperial guard tanks and artillery plattform have a performance (range and such) worse than WW2 era weapons going by their offical numbers. If I remember correctly. And 1000 space marines are apperantly significant in numbers for interstellar campaigns. If a couple of hundred being able to conquer planets. PLANETS! If you still have to walk/drive and can shoot your gun only so far, you ain't conquer planets with such few dudes. On the matter of planets, Earth is supposedly covered in its entirety by buildings,including the former ocean floor. And its one of the most densly populated worlds in the galaxy. But it only has hundreths of billions of people living there. Which would mean roughly 400-1400 people per square kilometre. Not that many given the space earth offers without oceans. For comparison Paris has 20.000 people per square kilometre. One could go on and on. 40k is purley rule of cool. As soon as one takes a look at the numbers it falls appart.
"If the Adeptus Astartes are the Emperor's wrath, and the Imperial Guard His hammer, then His Holy Navy is His mighty shield." - Cardinal Kregory Hestor
Mechanicus Explorator: "They built this *slaps down Lunar class* with sticks and rocks with a workforce that still thinks their planet is flat and you are telling me my flagship won't be repaired within three decades?!"
Imperial Star Destroyer: Look at us, we're the big boy on the block! Cobra-Class Destroyer: Oh, look, another one like us. ISD: Ooh, are you another type of main line warship? Cobra: Main line ship? We're a destroyer. The main battleline is coming up behind us Emperor-Class Battleship: Gangway!
Fun fact those cool broadside fights are actually extremely rare most of the time ships are exchanging shots over thousands of KM but no one wants to see a ship shelling a speck so 90% of the art is broadsides
That' scale is true even for the original tabletop game! Games Workshop mentioned at some point (probably even in the core rule book), that the ship models are only representations. The actual ship isn't bigger than the tip of the base the model is placed on!
I mean this is a fact to use an even modern movies when they show Jets dog fighting or in World War II movies where they show battleships firing even during World War II battleship fights we're not that common because it was just cheaper to bomb ships as planes were far cheaper to replace and it was easier to lose a few dozen Pilots then hundreds of sailors
And this is why the lunar (and many other ships) is packing lances. Light travels very quickly making that range insignificant. The macros are for when the fighting does get closer and planetary bombardment.
@@00yiggdrasill00 Ok, so I'm basing this on the original game and it's logic, not sure if newer stuff has different rationale. Macro batteries are there to take down the void shields. The void shields in 40k work by shunting offending material or energy into the warp. So macro batteries would shoot exploding shells or rapid fire energy blasts to overwhelm the shields ability to open portals, shield goes down and lance batteries fire continuous beams or streams of projectiles to take the ship apart.
@@Ashwulf yes and no. Macro Batteries are more effective against shields because of their higher volume of fire but they aren't "meant" to be used against shields primarily. Te difference is really about long range vs. Short range, but not nessessarely about shield or hull.
Minor mistake - it's not confirmed (nor disproven in fairness) that the Dominator and Gothic are based upon the Lunar. The Lunar style hull is shared with the Mars Class, which is implied to predate it by thousands of years.
A few lines in the video make me think that they pulled some information from the Rouge Trader RPG. In that book they are stated to be Lunar variants. Specifically the Battlefleet Koronus Sourcebook.
Pretty much all "modern" imperial cruisers and battlecruisers share the same basic hull type and only differ in the installed weapons loadouts, with the battlecruisers packing more powerful reactor systems to allow for their increased weaponry.
If there ever was a ship of the line class of the Imperium, this would be the best example of such a vessel. The Lunar class is the Imperial Navy, and she and her sisters all stand watch over the Imperial controlled void.
Well... no. The _line of battle_ was made of the ships that could give, and more importantly, take the most damage, and the _Lunar_ is simply too small for that role in the Imperial Navy. It's closest age of sail equivalent would be a frigate, like _Serapis,_ or _Constitution._ Big frigates, but no match for a ship of the line.
@@boobah5643 Incorrect. Cruisers in the Imperial and Chaos navies are most certainly ships of the line. Just because a random French 72 couldn't go broadside to broadside with HMS Victory didn't make the 72 not a ship of the line. Battleships are closer to 1st rates in age of sail navies while cruisers make up the bottom of the 3rd and 4th rates.
@@inductivegrunt94 That isn't what "ship of the line" means. You are trying to make an equivalent with army terminology, where a "front line" tank or rifle is the most common tool used by a unit in combat, but in naval terms a "ship of the line" already has a specific definition. It is a vessel capable of being part of a pitched battle against an enemy battle fleet. A Luna class might (barely) qualify as a ship of the line, because can sort of hold its own in the line of battle, but it is primarily designed to be a patrolling and picketing workhorse. It was definitely not the "best example" of a ship of the line.
Damn, 5km in Halo is Infinity class and its their pride of the fleet Meanwhile 5km in Warhammer 40k is the most common ship you'll find, literally their mainstay among Imperial Fleet
No kidding, Descent Freespace Orion class Destroyer? 3Km and it's among the largest vessels in that universe. Babylon 5's Nova class, the largest vessel Earth Alliance deployed? Yeah 1,5 Km... 40K is crazy, all be it, weaker than some other universes. For instance, in Star Wars, a Victory I can perform base-delta-zero, which is essentially exterminatus, performed with conventional turbolaser batteries.
@@looseycanon A Lunar-class can casually fire a cyclonic torpedo or any number of other nasty WMDs to achieve the same effect on target, and its broadsides could probably get the job done as well. It'd just take awhile. Generally, the biggest obstacle to planet-killing in the Imperial war machine in 40k is not capability, it is authorization from the Inquisition.
@@looseycanon that part about Star Wars never made sense to me. If the Victory I's weapons were really that strong, a single turbolaser shot could engulf a ship of the same size. And that just never happens. Star Wars EU can be just as guilty of having no sense of scale as 40k, but 40k makes it just a tiny bit more believable imo
If you think about it the basic Imperium Destroyer likely has a horrific attrition rate, that cruisers like the Lunar Class likely represent the standard ship that is likely to survive most skirmishes or battles with comfortable numbers. .
@@shadowlord1418 no you definitely have destroyers (like the Cobra, Viper and Stalward classes) they just fall under the wider umbrella of escort ships.
it's always important to remember that by the time we see battles on the ground, the battle in the void has been won or lost. even the tyranids are primarily fought in the void
The Tyrant class cruiser trades is heavy lances for more versatile macro cannons. The plasma macro cannons can be fired at targets from long range, or they can pack a wallop at point blank range. The Adeptus Mechanics is known to modify the design of the Lunar class cruiser and its variants. Notably, they tend to drop the prow mounted spur and torpedo launcher in favor of the mighty nova cannon, plus they mount a very long range lance turret on the top of the ship.
In the grim darkness of the far future, at least the major naval power still knows how to build a cruiser. (Looking angrily at you, U.S. Navy of 2022.)
A world war 2 Atlanta class cruiser had a displacement of 6,718 tons, a length of 530 feet. An Arleigh Burke class Destroyer has a displacement of 9,500 tons and a length of 510 feet. There are 7 being built right now. I don't think the Navy forgot how to build cruisers, they just forgot how to name them.
The Imperial Navy is my favorite faction in all of 40k, and Lunars do make for a fantastic backbone. A little bit of everything, and just enough crew to face tank most catastrophic weapons malfunctions, or to just drown boarding parties.
One of the most reliable ship in BFG2, the armor is good, the firepower is good and the speed is good. It's a perfect ship to be deployed when you are guarding a system. 2 Lunar class and a single grand cruiser is already enough as a defense fleet.
I'm a huge fan of practicality. Cheap and easy to make, quick to repair, versatile in its role, packs enough of a punch, and yet still expendable. Easily my favorite ship in the God-Emperor's glorious navy.
I have a soft-spot for the Lunar: you can slap one or two in basically any fleet, and while it won't swing a battle, it's also rarely hard countered by anything either. The Lunar charges in like the knights of old, firing torpedoes at a scattering enemy as its broadsides dish out reliable, if unremarkable, damage.
In Battlefleet Gothic Armada and Armada II, I always like pairing a Dominator with a Gothic. I'd have the Gothic class stay at longer range with her lances while the Dominator moved in to close range with her macro cannons.
Similar but I prefer the Tyrant. The slight damage reduction on the plasma macros is much made up for the ship being able to engage on the way in, and with the ramming spur and torpedoes you can deliver the Imperial Navy Handshake
See I'm not a fan of battlecrusiers. Having one as a flagship early isnt bad but they are expensive in fleet cap for a few dorsal turrets and they are just a standard crusier hull in terms of durability. If you want to nova spam your better off with AdMec Lunas to get as many hulls out as possible. Plus Admec admiral abilities are WAY stronger. (looking at you Radiation Tempest)
According to older Battlefleet Gothic lore, that from the actual tabletop game, cruisers like the Lunar class are actually closer to three kilometers... But either way, they are amazing. And it's worth remembering that the '600 ships' is the number in active service in the Segmentum Obscurus at the time of the Gothic War, and Imperial ships are not mass produced (except in the Sol system). Each is more like a skyscraper, sharing fundamental similarities but ultimately unique and distinct from one another.
Endurerence. The one word I would use to describe the Imperium. Forever bound by its traditions, stagnent. Attacked by all fronts, always on the defence. Torn internely by civil war and conflict of interest. But the Imperium endures.
Ahh the glorious lunar. Imperial navy's Swiss knife ( considering all the different armament it can house. ) hope to more videos of Imperial navy ships.
People should try out the game Battle Fleet Gothic Armada 2 that lets you play with these powerfull ships - and more specifically (my mod) Skalgrim mod which adds over a 100 new ships to the game among thousands of other changes.
@@702Jamy Thank you. I am still working on the mod, the pace has slowed since I became a dad, but the next version will include a new faction, the Dark Mechanicum.
Don't forget that even smallest warship loss also means loss of a valuable experienced crew. They can replace the crew but it would be green and most importantly far more susceptible to morale losses and Chaos corruption.
I have 4 in my Battlefleet Gothic Tabletop fleet, I swear by them. 2 lunar class cruisers can easily match a battle-ship. Although the Dauntless class light cruiser has to be my absolute favorite.
Every branch of the Imperim war machine has its workhorse, a piece of relaiable equipment, not particularly great, but quite handy. The guardsmen have their lasgun, while rugged IG commanders trust their movements in the armored fist of Leman Russ and the firepower of basilisk batteries. There is no single space marine chapter that do no put their faith in the mighty bolter, while the mighty machine gods of the Warlord Class titans can crush basically every foe planetside. The Imperial Navy is no difference, and there is no Battlegroup, bigger or small, that do not put their trust in the Lunar Class or some of their variants, either as a ship of the line, or the flagship of escort squadrons. A truly reliable machine.
It‘s a bit insane: Just think about how much food 95‘000 crewmen would consume every day. Thank god - I mean the GOD EMPEROR - that it‘s only fiction... 😂
Dont forget pressed gang indebtured worker,Imperial Guard Transport or whanever people dweller that entire life and generation family from pressed forced population numbering Milions existed
Eh not really. These ships are actually doing what they were intended for. The Leman Russ was never designed to be an MBT and is, for all intends and purposes, a tractor retooled into a tank.
1:00 Nitpick, but the Imperium wished it had Dark Age of Technology vessels. The Imperium has a few relics of which the Mechanicus simply doesn't understand their systems. The most famous one would be the Phalanx, but arguably the closest to an actual DAoT warship would be the Speranza. The best the Imperium can make is Great Crusade levels of technology. It doesn't help that the average level of technology throughout the Imperium has declined. The premier systems and sectors like Ryza, Realm of Ultramar, Cypra Mundi or of course Terra with its massive orbital facilities around Luna, Mars and the Jovian moons. Those yards are far more capable than lets say a backwater forge world. The latter will arguably struggle to build something better than Lunar where as the former are much more capable. The latter are also capable of actual improvements for their ships like better lance batteries or plasma macro cannons. I mean, such ships might even load their utterly massive shells without using massive amounts of very expendable slaves.
In the emperor's name, why would you use a broad side armed, ram prow ship in interstellar combat?!? *Looks at approaching Ork Waaagh*. Oh. That's why.
Maybe the Templin Institute should do a video about the Chaos Styx Class Carrier. A formidable Battle cruiser sized warship, armed with macro and lance turrets, its true strength lies in it's large hangar capacity, swarming the enemy with strike craft from 4 launch bays.
A lot of people complain that the Imperial Navy's crew numbers are ridiculous but a U.S. Navy supercarrier is 300m long and has a crew of about 6k, so 95k for the Lunar-class might even be generously small. Who has no sense of scale now? GW. GW is definitely much worse.
The Armageddon Class is truly glorious. In Battlefleet Gothic 2, I tend to find it's actually dramatically more effective as a frontline brawler than even larger ships like the Retribution Battleship.
Can you imagine trying to manage a crew of 95,000 sailors officers and rattlings. That would be probably the most astounding part to me you're managing a small City in 5 km of space. No wonder imperial captains have to be so damn harsh in their punishment.
I never understood the speed thing on space ships since there's no gravety every ship. Could be able to archive the same speed and in fact ships having larger mortors should have faster speeds regardless of size. So in a way a Luna class star destroyer should be several times faster than a small fighter or a pirate ship. In space bigger means faster.
It's common mistake of sci-fi writers to assume that space is an ocean and you need to fire the engines to move. Still, acceleration is an important factor. In battle it doesn't matter if you can reach 0,99 c if it takes two years. Here the limiting factor is thrust to weight ratio, which doesn't scale well with size. I can believe that Lunar is able to accelerate faster than other ships in its weightclass, which means it could catch up or overtake those ships. So, in essence, it is faster.
Mass and inertia are still a thing. Applying 1N to a frigate achieves greater acceleration than a cruiser. What you're talking about is friction. So there is no slowdown once force is applied unless the ship needs to change direction.
in 40k the speed of ships is considered irrelevant, all that matters is their acceleration rating. For example the Lunar class has an acceleration of 2.5 gravities max sustainable acceleration. The same as a Dauntless class Light Cruiser, the only difference is that the LC is able to do faster bursts of speed an maneuverability.
Even as wee as the Lunar-class is, it's still a gunbrick the size of a freeway, and probably has a name like the Litany of Litany's Litany. Use it to ram.
When building spacefaring vessels which have ftl capabilities, forst thing that comes to mind is UNSKILLED LABOUR! Perfecto for the dischevelled pauper I am
Especially when your FTL drive involves taking a side trip through hell, and if the drive or the shielding fails for even a moment you're basically dead.
4:10 Can someone explain to me what the round things are sticking out if the ship? Are they a design choice or do they fulfil a purpose? They look like you use then to fire comically large bombs.
@@Kerestin1 Thanks, I should probably have deleted this comment a while ago because I’ve since learnt a lot more about ships in 40k. But this is still helpful so thank you.
@@Kerestin1 I know, I audibly laughed when I figured out what they were. I mean never-mind the ridiculousness of a broadside in space (which I love) but we’re would you even store ammunition that large?! Some of those shells are the size of literal skyscrapers and it’s hilarious.
@@ethatsgoodwine5888 The most ridiculous/awesome thing is probably the fact that all that interstellar vessels are created for going RAMMING SPEED... in space!
A lot of an Imperial Navy ship isnt automated. All the massive cannon shells are loaded manually for example. There are always more men to serve, but equipment is expensive
@@felipefspb From my understanding, shipboard food has 2 main sources. 1. Off ship procurement. Typically the products of Agriculture worlds. The physical output of an entire garden planet dedicated to producing astronomical amounts of raw food, which is then converted into nutrient bars or pastes. Any planet or navy port will have depots to resupply, as well as supply lines for ships on long postings. 2. On board conversion. This is a combination of waste processing, hydroponic farms, and the recycling of the bodies of expired crew into corpse starch. Remember that the Imperium has a LOT of manpower. Any crew dead are just more food for the rest, and press gangs can easily make up the balance. Also while Imperial Navy ships have large crews, this is very much following the old age of sail doctrine in terms of crew size. Casualties are expected, boarding action and massive structural damage are expected. Imperial ships can be sailed on an actually very small skeleton crew, but the stresses of living in space, warp travel, combat, harsh conditions and a general lack of expensive automation means that crews can at times potentially balloon much larger then what is reasonable. Crew is like fuel or ammunition, it's meant to be spent.
Every like on this video is one extra Luna class cruiser, so like in the name of the emperor.
I will never leave a like for the Corpse-Emperor!
Does that mean if we get he likes to over 50k, he'll have enough Lunar Class vessels to finally kick the Eldar to the curb? Or kill a Tyranid Fleet?
@@dragonoidsix yes
Seems like the Priglinger Shipyards are open for business.
leave a dislike for a free bowl of Khorne flakes!
Just for a sense of scale, an Imperial class Star Destroyer is just about the size of a escort vessel of the God-Emperor's Navy. At 5 kilometers long on average, the Luna class Cruiser is more than triple the length and of much greater tonnage.
Star Destroyer or Luna class Cruiser, i gladly choose to use both. it is a thing of beauty when these ships are on duty. they also make great firework shows of those you use them on.
suffer not the traitor or heretic to live.
Yeah. Pity the GW designers have no sense of scale, so IoM ships have ridiculous proportions and aspects. 500meter high windows, guns that are literally, physically impossible to fit inside the hull, rivets the size of the high-rise buildings.
Yes, ridiculous and glorious in equal measure. Such is Warhammer 40k!
@@davecrupel2817 yeah they they ran the dial up to 10 and then they Twisted it two more times
@@Miestwin they have no sense of distance or logistics either. For example some Imperial guard tanks and artillery plattform have a performance (range and such) worse than WW2 era weapons going by their offical numbers. If I remember correctly.
And 1000 space marines are apperantly significant in numbers for interstellar campaigns. If a couple of hundred being able to conquer planets. PLANETS! If you still have to walk/drive and can shoot your gun only so far, you ain't conquer planets with such few dudes.
On the matter of planets, Earth is supposedly covered in its entirety by buildings,including the former ocean floor. And its one of the most densly populated worlds in the galaxy. But it only has hundreths of billions of people living there. Which would mean roughly 400-1400 people per square kilometre. Not that many given the space earth offers without oceans. For comparison Paris has 20.000 people per square kilometre.
One could go on and on. 40k is purley rule of cool. As soon as one takes a look at the numbers it falls appart.
How ship combat usually goes: long range Bombardement
How it goes when I am in command: FULL SPEED AHEAD, BRACE FOR IMPACT
Fire up the power ram!
“Get me closer so I can it them with my lance!”
“But sir, our lance batteries are well within optimal-“
_Pulls out metal stick_ “CLOSER I SAY!!”
Because it is the Emperors will, and really fun
Dont forget the point blank torpedo launch
I'll bet the insurance company just *loves* you!
"If the Adeptus Astartes are the Emperor's wrath, and the Imperial Guard His hammer, then His Holy Navy is His mighty shield." - Cardinal Kregory Hestor
Mechanicus Explorator: "They built this *slaps down Lunar class* with sticks and rocks with a workforce that still thinks their planet is flat and you are telling me my flagship won't be repaired within three decades?!"
The paperwork takes ages. No one needs a licence to whack some metal with a stick. 3 decades minimum. 2 if you bribe the right people
TONY STARK BUILT HIS IN A CAVE WITH SCRAPS
4:50 For reference, "point blank range" in 40K space combat is about 10,000km. Dangerously close range when your weapons can melt continents.
please more warhammer 40k. This stuff is glorious.
What was the population of mankind before this massive war broke out?
@@princeofpokemon2934 which massive war?
I think the only solid number is "untold trillions"
Glorious indeed brother!
Yessss. The flying golden cathedrals of 40k are just something else, and definetly worth covering
Speaking of which, video on the 'Gloriana' class battleship would be a good one.
5 kilometers for a "mid-sized" ship, Jesus that's insane
Space is big... :D
Welcome to Warhammer 40K.
Search up Gloriana class battleship and it’s 26km long
Imperial Star Destroyer: Look at us, we're the big boy on the block!
Cobra-Class Destroyer: Oh, look, another one like us.
ISD: Ooh, are you another type of main line warship?
Cobra: Main line ship? We're a destroyer. The main battleline is coming up behind us
Emperor-Class Battleship: Gangway!
@@DanielWW2 pretty much. wished they'd bring it back to the tabletop
Fun fact those cool broadside fights are actually extremely rare most of the time ships are exchanging shots over thousands of KM but no one wants to see a ship shelling a speck so 90% of the art is broadsides
That' scale is true even for the original tabletop game!
Games Workshop mentioned at some point (probably even in the core rule book), that the ship models are only representations.
The actual ship isn't bigger than the tip of the base the model is placed on!
I mean this is a fact to use an even modern movies when they show Jets dog fighting or in World War II movies where they show battleships firing even during World War II battleship fights we're not that common because it was just cheaper to bomb ships as planes were far cheaper to replace and it was easier to lose a few dozen Pilots then hundreds of sailors
And this is why the lunar (and many other ships) is packing lances. Light travels very quickly making that range insignificant. The macros are for when the fighting does get closer and planetary bombardment.
@@00yiggdrasill00 Ok, so I'm basing this on the original game and it's logic, not sure if newer stuff has different rationale. Macro batteries are there to take down the void shields. The void shields in 40k work by shunting offending material or energy into the warp. So macro batteries would shoot exploding shells or rapid fire energy blasts to overwhelm the shields ability to open portals, shield goes down and lance batteries fire continuous beams or streams of projectiles to take the ship apart.
@@Ashwulf yes and no. Macro Batteries are more effective against shields because of their higher volume of fire but they aren't "meant" to be used against shields primarily.
Te difference is really about long range vs. Short range, but not nessessarely about shield or hull.
Minor mistake - it's not confirmed (nor disproven in fairness) that the Dominator and Gothic are based upon the Lunar. The Lunar style hull is shared with the Mars Class, which is implied to predate it by thousands of years.
A few lines in the video make me think that they pulled some information from the Rouge Trader RPG. In that book they are stated to be Lunar variants. Specifically the Battlefleet Koronus Sourcebook.
Pretty much all "modern" imperial cruisers and battlecruisers share the same basic hull type and only differ in the installed weapons loadouts, with the battlecruisers packing more powerful reactor systems to allow for their increased weaponry.
Alright,you convinced me. It is time to play the Battlefleed Gothic again. For the Emperor and the Imperial navy!
Battlefield Gothic freezes when I try to play it. What graphics card does your computer have?
If there ever was a ship of the line class of the Imperium, this would be the best example of such a vessel. The Lunar class is the Imperial Navy, and she and her sisters all stand watch over the Imperial controlled void.
Well... no. The _line of battle_ was made of the ships that could give, and more importantly, take the most damage, and the _Lunar_ is simply too small for that role in the Imperial Navy. It's closest age of sail equivalent would be a frigate, like _Serapis,_ or _Constitution._ Big frigates, but no match for a ship of the line.
@@boobah5643 I said "ship of the line" as the most common "line ship" featured in fleets.
@@boobah5643 Incorrect. Cruisers in the Imperial and Chaos navies are most certainly ships of the line. Just because a random French 72 couldn't go broadside to broadside with HMS Victory didn't make the 72 not a ship of the line. Battleships are closer to 1st rates in age of sail navies while cruisers make up the bottom of the 3rd and 4th rates.
@@inductivegrunt94 That isn't what "ship of the line" means.
You are trying to make an equivalent with army terminology, where a "front line" tank or rifle is the most common tool used by a unit in combat, but in naval terms a "ship of the line" already has a specific definition. It is a vessel capable of being part of a pitched battle against an enemy battle fleet. A Luna class might (barely) qualify as a ship of the line, because can sort of hold its own in the line of battle, but it is primarily designed to be a patrolling and picketing workhorse. It was definitely not the "best example" of a ship of the line.
Damn, 5km in Halo is Infinity class and its their pride of the fleet
Meanwhile 5km in Warhammer 40k is the most common ship you'll find, literally their mainstay among Imperial Fleet
Depending on the source can be more powerful as well (though 40K is a bit iffy on how strong things are).
No kidding, Descent Freespace Orion class Destroyer? 3Km and it's among the largest vessels in that universe. Babylon 5's Nova class, the largest vessel Earth Alliance deployed? Yeah 1,5 Km... 40K is crazy, all be it, weaker than some other universes. For instance, in Star Wars, a Victory I can perform base-delta-zero, which is essentially exterminatus, performed with conventional turbolaser batteries.
@@looseycanon A Lunar-class can casually fire a cyclonic torpedo or any number of other nasty WMDs to achieve the same effect on target, and its broadsides could probably get the job done as well. It'd just take awhile. Generally, the biggest obstacle to planet-killing in the Imperial war machine in 40k is not capability, it is authorization from the Inquisition.
@@looseycanon that part about Star Wars never made sense to me. If the Victory I's weapons were really that strong, a single turbolaser shot could engulf a ship of the same size. And that just never happens. Star Wars EU can be just as guilty of having no sense of scale as 40k, but 40k makes it just a tiny bit more believable imo
40k is always so OP, it’s what makes it 40k 😂
A slight technical detail: the most numerous warships would be destroyers, but in terms of ships of similar tonnage, yes, Lunar is the most numerous.
If you think about it the basic Imperium Destroyer likely has a horrific attrition rate, that cruisers like the Lunar Class likely represent the standard ship that is likely to survive most skirmishes or battles with comfortable numbers. .
There are no destroyers in the imperial navy you have escorts, light cruisers, cruisers, battecrusers, grand cruisers and battleships
@@shadowlord1418 no you definitely have destroyers (like the Cobra, Viper and Stalward classes) they just fall under the wider umbrella of escort ships.
As a ship type destroyers are more common, but the Lunar-Class is more common then any given class of destroyer.
Cobra class Destroyers are the most common Imperial Escort.
' Each of our ships is a vengeful sword that can cut off the Despoiler's head'.
And they did. Glory to the Imperium
Long live the Templin Institute. The knowledge its brave exploration teams bring back through the portals is a treasure on a national level
it's always important to remember that by the time we see battles on the ground, the battle in the void has been won or lost.
even the tyranids are primarily fought in the void
The Tyrant class cruiser trades is heavy lances for more versatile macro cannons. The plasma macro cannons can be fired at targets from long range, or they can pack a wallop at point blank range.
The Adeptus Mechanics is known to modify the design of the Lunar class cruiser and its variants. Notably, they tend to drop the prow mounted spur and torpedo launcher in favor of the mighty nova cannon, plus they mount a very long range lance turret on the top of the ship.
In the grim darkness of the far future, at least the major naval power still knows how to build a cruiser.
(Looking angrily at you, U.S. Navy of 2022.)
A world war 2 Atlanta class cruiser had a displacement of 6,718 tons, a length of 530 feet. An Arleigh Burke class Destroyer has a displacement of 9,500 tons and a length of 510 feet. There are 7 being built right now. I don't think the Navy forgot how to build cruisers, they just forgot how to name them.
probly not gonna see cruisers for a while after Moskva ate shit sadly
@@isimiel3405 Watch Lazer Pig's video on it the thing was run-down engines were nearing their life and the bulkheads leaked.
Other spacecraft I'd like to see:
Red Dwarf (Red Dwarf)
Space Marine Strike Cruiser (40k)
Phalanx (40k)
Pillar of Autumn (Halo)
Heighliner (Dune)
Check the channel to see if theres info on those.
Or go to Spacedock, they might have info on that too
what about House Frigates (Dune)
The Lunar Class, best paired with it's sister, the Gothic class. Gotta love them.
Or dominator class. The 3 are a family and should always be together.
The Imperial Navy is my favorite faction in all of 40k, and Lunars do make for a fantastic backbone. A little bit of everything, and just enough crew to face tank most catastrophic weapons malfunctions, or to just drown boarding parties.
One of the most reliable ship in BFG2, the armor is good, the firepower is good and the speed is good. It's a perfect ship to be deployed when you are guarding a system. 2 Lunar class and a single grand cruiser is already enough as a defense fleet.
I'm a huge fan of practicality. Cheap and easy to make, quick to repair, versatile in its role, packs enough of a punch, and yet still expendable. Easily my favorite ship in the God-Emperor's glorious navy.
More 40k please. They have the coolest lore and vehicles
I have a soft-spot for the Lunar: you can slap one or two in basically any fleet, and while it won't swing a battle, it's also rarely hard countered by anything either.
The Lunar charges in like the knights of old, firing torpedoes at a scattering enemy as its broadsides dish out reliable, if unremarkable, damage.
I won many a tabletop game with a twin torpedo launch from a pair of lunar class.
The are exceptional at short range.
"Meduim size vessel" --> 5 kms. This is why I love 40k
I do love the space church look of Imperium ships nothing like praising the Emperor and passing the ammunition
In Battlefleet Gothic Armada and Armada II, I always like pairing a Dominator with a Gothic. I'd have the Gothic class stay at longer range with her lances while the Dominator moved in to close range with her macro cannons.
Similar but I prefer the Tyrant. The slight damage reduction on the plasma macros is much made up for the ship being able to engage on the way in, and with the ramming spur and torpedoes you can deliver the Imperial Navy Handshake
*Rolls up with a bunch of Mars class ships, ready to spam Nova Cannons until everyone is dead
"S'up b*tches"
See I'm not a fan of battlecrusiers. Having one as a flagship early isnt bad but they are expensive in fleet cap for a few dorsal turrets and they are just a standard crusier hull in terms of durability.
If you want to nova spam your better off with AdMec Lunas to get as many hulls out as possible. Plus Admec admiral abilities are WAY stronger. (looking at you Radiation Tempest)
According to older Battlefleet Gothic lore, that from the actual tabletop game, cruisers like the Lunar class are actually closer to three kilometers... But either way, they are amazing.
And it's worth remembering that the '600 ships' is the number in active service in the Segmentum Obscurus at the time of the Gothic War, and Imperial ships are not mass produced (except in the Sol system). Each is more like a skyscraper, sharing fundamental similarities but ultimately unique and distinct from one another.
Need more 40k ship overviews like this
Endurerence. The one word I would use to describe the Imperium.
Forever bound by its traditions, stagnent. Attacked by all fronts, always on the defence. Torn internely by civil war and conflict of interest. But the Imperium endures.
As much as i miss Larissa's voice sometimes, but this one fits so perfectly for any narration on the Warhammer franchise
Ahh the glorious lunar. Imperial navy's Swiss knife ( considering all the different armament it can house. ) hope to more videos of Imperial navy ships.
People should try out the game Battle Fleet Gothic Armada 2 that lets you play with these powerfull ships - and more specifically (my mod) Skalgrim mod which adds over a 100 new ships to the game among thousands of other changes.
Absolute great mod btw mate, keep up the amazing work and keep doing the Emperors holy work!!
@@702Jamy Thank you. I am still working on the mod, the pace has slowed since I became a dad, but the next version will include a new faction, the Dark Mechanicum.
Fuckin NICE
A new Templin video on my birthday. The Emperor's Light shines on me today!
Don't forget that even smallest warship loss also means loss of a valuable experienced crew. They can replace the crew but it would be green and most importantly far more susceptible to morale losses and Chaos corruption.
I have 4 in my Battlefleet Gothic Tabletop fleet, I swear by them.
2 lunar class cruisers can easily match a battle-ship.
Although the Dauntless class light cruiser has to be my absolute favorite.
Thanks!
Thank you very much!
Every branch of the Imperim war machine has its workhorse, a piece of relaiable equipment, not particularly great, but quite handy. The guardsmen have their lasgun, while rugged IG commanders trust their movements in the armored fist of Leman Russ and the firepower of basilisk batteries. There is no single space marine chapter that do no put their faith in the mighty bolter, while the mighty machine gods of the Warlord Class titans can crush basically every foe planetside. The Imperial Navy is no difference, and there is no Battlegroup, bigger or small, that do not put their trust in the Lunar Class or some of their variants, either as a ship of the line, or the flagship of escort squadrons. A truly reliable machine.
Always a good day with more 40k!
Those ships are practically floating cities. A work of marvel from the imperium.
Sometime I forget how large everything in 40K is. "Mid-size" of 5 km, with a crew of 95,000! What's small?
It‘s a bit insane: Just think about how much food 95‘000 crewmen would consume every day. Thank god - I mean the GOD EMPEROR - that it‘s only fiction... 😂
Dont forget pressed gang indebtured worker,Imperial Guard Transport or whanever people dweller that entire life and generation family from pressed forced population numbering Milions existed
About the size of a star destroyer, which is 1 or 2 km long.
We need more entries on the ships from Warhammer 40k, like Gloriana class battleship or Emperor class battleship.
*Takes Templin video and boils it to simplicity* "So it's the Leman Russ of ships?"
Eh not really. These ships are actually doing what they were intended for. The Leman Russ was never designed to be an MBT and is, for all intends and purposes, a tractor retooled into a tank.
I’ve been waiting for this for two years now
Praise the Omnissiah and his glorious creations!
Woo! More Battlefleet Gothic Ships!
They should discuss the entire Imperial fleet.
Love that you're covering Warhammer lore!
For a second I couldn't tell if I was watching a Templin video or Spacedock. Nice new intro.
I really liked this content. I wish you did a lot more of this, it was great.
1:00 Nitpick, but the Imperium wished it had Dark Age of Technology vessels. The Imperium has a few relics of which the Mechanicus simply doesn't understand their systems. The most famous one would be the Phalanx, but arguably the closest to an actual DAoT warship would be the Speranza.
The best the Imperium can make is Great Crusade levels of technology. It doesn't help that the average level of technology throughout the Imperium has declined. The premier systems and sectors like Ryza, Realm of Ultramar, Cypra Mundi or of course Terra with its massive orbital facilities around Luna, Mars and the Jovian moons. Those yards are far more capable than lets say a backwater forge world. The latter will arguably struggle to build something better than Lunar where as the former are much more capable. The latter are also capable of actual improvements for their ships like better lance batteries or plasma macro cannons. I mean, such ships might even load their utterly massive shells without using massive amounts of very expendable slaves.
In the emperor's name, why would you use a broad side armed, ram prow ship in interstellar combat?!? *Looks at approaching Ork Waaagh*. Oh. That's why.
Great high quality video! Please do more 40K stuff!
Please cover the Exosquad
Ah yes, the backbone of my gothic armada fleet
Maybe the Templin Institute should do a video about the Chaos Styx Class Carrier. A formidable Battle cruiser sized warship, armed with macro and lance turrets, its true strength lies in it's large hangar capacity, swarming the enemy with strike craft from 4 launch bays.
A lot of people complain that the Imperial Navy's crew numbers are ridiculous but a U.S. Navy supercarrier is 300m long and has a crew of about 6k, so 95k for the Lunar-class might even be generously small. Who has no sense of scale now?
GW. GW is definitely much worse.
When can we get a video featuring the Dark Angels chapter? They have so much awesome lore!
Now you gotta cover the Ironclads!
Well done!
3:05 of what class are these three "little" ships in the front?
Thank you the video and the English subtitle.
The Armageddon Class is truly glorious. In Battlefleet Gothic 2, I tend to find it's actually dramatically more effective as a frontline brawler than even larger ships like the Retribution Battleship.
This is going to be INSANE in the new upcoming 40k MMO!!!!!!
Every Luna Class is a blazing sword that can cut off the Despoiler's head.
Is the gaint spear on the prow just for ramming ships?
Now we just need a video on the Koronus Expanse, you know why :)
Love the BattleFleet Gothic Armada 2 scenes! So thematic!
Can you imagine trying to manage a crew of 95,000 sailors officers and rattlings. That would be probably the most astounding part to me you're managing a small City in 5 km of space. No wonder imperial captains have to be so damn harsh in their punishment.
That moment when you realise the Templin Institute is spying on the imperium - very heretical
This ship goes well with Stalin’s old saying; quantity is a quality on its own
The important Job of Pilot/Captain is sooo often overlooked in the grimdark Future!
But all these Guardsmen & Astartes need "a ride", right?!
Hundreds of thousands of man-hours is a huge understatement.
Really interesting video!
Hopefully this will be the start of a Warhammer 40k ships of the line series...Dominator, Gothic, Mars, etc. That would be awesome lol
Please more of imperial navy ships lore, Abit Tau as well if you can 😁
Characteristics on an Imperial ship Broadcasted to all cogitators in the Galaxy, Heresy!
Yay! More warhammer from templin!!!
I never understood the speed thing on space ships since there's no gravety every ship. Could be able to archive the same speed and in fact ships having larger mortors should have faster speeds regardless of size.
So in a way a Luna class star destroyer should be several times faster than a small fighter or a pirate ship.
In space bigger means faster.
It's common mistake of sci-fi writers to assume that space is an ocean and you need to fire the engines to move. Still, acceleration is an important factor. In battle it doesn't matter if you can reach 0,99 c if it takes two years. Here the limiting factor is thrust to weight ratio, which doesn't scale well with size. I can believe that Lunar is able to accelerate faster than other ships in its weightclass, which means it could catch up or overtake those ships. So, in essence, it is faster.
Mass and inertia are still a thing. Applying 1N to a frigate achieves greater acceleration than a cruiser.
What you're talking about is friction. So there is no slowdown once force is applied unless the ship needs to change direction.
in 40k the speed of ships is considered irrelevant, all that matters is their acceleration rating. For example the Lunar class has an acceleration of 2.5 gravities max sustainable acceleration. The same as a Dauntless class Light Cruiser, the only difference is that the LC is able to do faster bursts of speed an maneuverability.
Even as wee as the Lunar-class is, it's still a gunbrick the size of a freeway, and probably has a name like the Litany of Litany's Litany. Use it to ram.
praise the battle fleet Gothic games for letting us control these beautys
Indeed. :)
„what they believed were sky temples”
Those were literally temples.
When building spacefaring vessels which have ftl capabilities, forst thing that comes to mind is UNSKILLED LABOUR!
Perfecto for the dischevelled pauper I am
Especially when your FTL drive involves taking a side trip through hell, and if the drive or the shielding fails for even a moment you're basically dead.
@@boobah5643 just put it down as experience in your CV
@@boobah5643 Dead if you're lucky
Unskilled Labour is always the worst thing.
4:10 Can someone explain to me what the round things are sticking out if the ship? Are they a design choice or do they fulfil a purpose? They look like you use then to fire comically large bombs.
They are Macrocannons
@@Kerestin1 Thanks, I should probably have deleted this comment a while ago because I’ve since learnt a lot more about ships in 40k. But this is still helpful so thank you.
@@ethatsgoodwine5888 Well, the "fire comically large bombs" definition was not much out of the mark. ;-)
@@Kerestin1 I know, I audibly laughed when I figured out what they were. I mean never-mind the ridiculousness of a broadside in space (which I love) but we’re would you even store ammunition that large?! Some of those shells are the size of literal skyscrapers and it’s hilarious.
@@ethatsgoodwine5888 The most ridiculous/awesome thing is probably the fact that all that interstellar vessels are created for going RAMMING SPEED... in space!
*Laughs in Xeelee Nightfighter from the Xeelee Sequence novels.*
Still loving the narrator - keep it up!
95 thousand crew members??? That's ludicrous!! Jeez
A lot of an Imperial Navy ship isnt automated. All the massive cannon shells are loaded manually for example. There are always more men to serve, but equipment is expensive
@@lachlanv.b.7783 I wonder how they feed so many people within that vessel. How do they grow food? 95k people is insane!!!
@@felipefspb From my understanding, shipboard food has 2 main sources.
1. Off ship procurement. Typically the products of Agriculture worlds. The physical output of an entire garden planet dedicated to producing astronomical amounts of raw food, which is then converted into nutrient bars or pastes. Any planet or navy port will have depots to resupply, as well as supply lines for ships on long postings.
2. On board conversion. This is a combination of waste processing, hydroponic farms, and the recycling of the bodies of expired crew into corpse starch.
Remember that the Imperium has a LOT of manpower. Any crew dead are just more food for the rest, and press gangs can easily make up the balance.
Also while Imperial Navy ships have large crews, this is very much following the old age of sail doctrine in terms of crew size. Casualties are expected, boarding action and massive structural damage are expected. Imperial ships can be sailed on an actually very small skeleton crew, but the stresses of living in space, warp travel, combat, harsh conditions and a general lack of expensive automation means that crews can at times potentially balloon much larger then what is reasonable.
Crew is like fuel or ammunition, it's meant to be spent.
Forgot to move the mouse at 4:00 smh
I am going to agonize over this for the rest of my life
40K is certainly not a universe I would want to be assigned to studying in person...
Oh hell yes! Please emperor do more WH40K ships. Perhaps next should be the absolute big boy for the Imperium, specifically the Macragge's Honour?
My Rogue Trader RPG group made our names using the Luna Class.
Just an amazing vessel.
The way you say it it reminds me of wolf pack tactics during ww2
Loving the 40k Warhammer lore
Remember Cadia!
Warhammer 40K battle ships look amazing.
Heck Yeah more videos like this!
3:59 mouse cursor 👀
40k ships are the villains of fairy tales told to ships in other universes
What game is being used for footage in the background
Battlefleet Gothic Armada. It's a 40k rts.