Don't sagas enter with an automatic trigger of the first chapter effect? They say to add a lore counter when saga enters the battlefield, so toms effect still triggers the chapter one effect, right?
Didn’t think we would notice that you weren’t in character did you Mr Benjamin. Just tie a bed sheet around you like a cape and presto. Seriously tho I bet that treefolk costume got a little warm.
I got two of the Precons, but regret nto getting the humans one. Anything based on that jeskai humans shell is SWEET. Also I love the flash speed monowhite Gandalf concept. I want that deck! Looks so fun
Gandalf is such a strong commander, but Aragorn as a human's tribal commander is GOOD. I might need to change my human deck to him! Also, the outro song reminds me of the intro song to the show How It's Made.
The turn that she played the Falkenrath Aristocrat, if Shea did a full send on the Black Market Connections she would have had the second Shapeshifter to sac to Aristocrat for the last point of damage to kill Blake. Understandable tho that she didn't want to leave herself at 4 life (would lose 6 life for full send.)
I really hate to be that guy but once you place counters on the saga, it can not be respond to. It is triggered without using the stack then the effect goes on the stack. The saga is then sacrifice as part of the lore being placed when reached the last chapter. 505.4: Second, if the active player controls one or more Saga enchantments and it's the active player's precombat main phase, the active player puts a lore counter on each Saga they control. (See rule 714, "Saga Cards.") This turn-based action doesn't use the stack. 714.4: If the number of lore counters on a Saga permanent is greater than or equal to its final chapter number, and it isn't the source of a chapter ability that has triggered but not yet left the stack, that Saga's controller sacrifices it. This state-based action doesn't use the stack.
I am fairly certain that this interaction does work. Putting a lore counter on a saga doesn't use the stack but the ability that triggers when a lore counter is added does. 714.4 states "and it isn't the source of a chapter ability that has triggered but not yet left the stack'" as a condition for sacrificing the saga in addition to placing the last lore counter. In the case of this game the trigger was still on the stack so the second statement wouldn't be true. As a result I believe this interaction should work as it was played.
@@Kestral287well it does mean in other words that as long as the saga gets it last or more lore counter and the last chapter ability doesn't put anything on the stack, the player who controls it sacrifices it. Like ECD when there is no creature to target, the saga puts nothing on the stack and it gets sacrificed with no response possible. So yeah it explains why it works. If the last chapter ability is something that gets on the stack, the players can respond to it.
Is he playing the leave the battlefield correctly? The card doesn’t say when it dies Gandalf says when it leaves. Dying and leaving are different aren’t they?
They're different in the sense that leaves is broader; a card can leave the battlefield and not die. But dying is intrinsically leaving the battlefield.
@@Kestral287 All i know is gandalf works with dying. In arena, when shelob creates a solemn simulacrum token, the token will still draw when sac'd, even though it specifies dying, but is not a creature.
hahaha why Blake?! why?! hahahhaa you underestimated Lauren so much! I mean, if you think about it, you have in two consecutive turns the options to exile her, it would be so beneficial to you, cause she destroys enchantments on ETB and with Gandalf was so powerful against you hahaha, I know that the ring is dangerous and also Gandalf, but at the same time, I think your priority should have been different hahahaha. Anyways, GG, it was so fun the whole game.
All about threat assessment. They had to or just lose. Thats what makes a good game, knowing what the threats are. The pieces that just end or take over games. If they wanted to play a 20 minute game.. yeah let cgb go off on that value train.
I already know Ben's decks because hes not good at magic. All his decks are just good stuff in their respective colors with boring tired ass unoriginal combos. Please stop putting him on the show. Why don't more people notice this?
Sorry, Ben is the best player on the show. He never complains, plays fun decks, and usually is a problem for the table. He would make any playgroup better
Shay's Shapeshifter is a Snake and an Army. They missed that.
I love how as this LotRs arc has progressed, Ben has worn less and less of his Ent outfit until he's the only one not dressed up.
If you watch it in reverse order it's the sad story of a man that slowly turns into a tree.
@@Suhrvivor you could, but then you have to deal with the dark, intrusive thoughts about a tree playing a game, printed on his people.
People not realizing CGBs Sesame Street reference is hilarious and terrifying.
@20:11 does he know the Archeomancer map puts the land untapped? 🤔. He kept putting them tapped.
good game, Blake was so dirty holding up the 55 dollar counter magic untill the very end, well played sir.
That bath salt slip made me cackle 🤣🤣
"You're going to regret that"
'OK, Show me'
20:51
Ice from Ben so cold it burns
At 21:30, CGB made a quote from LOR about the great battle. It is on the dawn of the fifth day, look to the east. He misquoted 3 days instead.
Don't sagas enter with an automatic trigger of the first chapter effect? They say to add a lore counter when saga enters the battlefield, so toms effect still triggers the chapter one effect, right?
Didn’t think we would notice that you weren’t in character did you Mr Benjamin. Just tie a bed sheet around you like a cape and presto. Seriously tho I bet that treefolk costume got a little warm.
White guy in a bedsheet? That won’t end well 😂
@@skykur 🤣🤣
Great game! Was fun to see all the Aragorn synergies
Also CGB's pronunciation of golem to sound like Gollum is more fitting/confusing than ever with this theme.
44:00 Doesn't "this ability triggers only once per turn" trump "triggers an additional time"?
Small suggestion, could the decklists links in the description also include what deck each person are playing?
38:53. Why did they skip Ben's turn? What did I miss?
Ben had his turn ( 38:00 ), Shea just started doing shenanigans on his end step which looked like she had a turn and then skipped to Blake.
What an amazing game, I literally found myself rooting for different people this entire game ❤️
don't you also draw a card with Yawgmoth when you apply the -1/-1 counters?
Yes
I got two of the Precons, but regret nto getting the humans one. Anything based on that jeskai humans shell is SWEET. Also I love the flash speed monowhite Gandalf concept. I want that deck! Looks so fun
Gandalf the White was a card I was excited about in the previews, loved CGB’s take on it!
Did it say CoverGoGlue? in the opening?
A win with only 1 life! Now that’s a story.
did not expect the result!...good game!!
Loran + Liquimetal Torque means CGB could've been nuking more things by turning said things into artifacts!
Blake missed a 4/4 angel trigger from historians boom when his saga got it’s final lore counter
I feel like after the third Loren trigger I would have just scooped. Like maybe I could come back but it would be a hollow soulless victory
shame Blake didn't add Birgi to the deck, Tom might've liked company
I'd like to make a public apology for this lack of forethought.
Gandalf is such a strong commander, but Aragorn as a human's tribal commander is GOOD. I might need to change my human deck to him!
Also, the outro song reminds me of the intro song to the show How It's Made.
Today's title card had CovertGoGlue...
The turn that she played the Falkenrath Aristocrat, if Shea did a full send on the Black Market Connections she would have had the second Shapeshifter to sac to Aristocrat for the last point of damage to kill Blake. Understandable tho that she didn't want to leave herself at 4 life (would lose 6 life for full send.)
I love how CBG is CovertGoGLUE
Came here for this comment
This match was such fun to watch guys!
Don't think I didn't notice that CovertGoGlue in the intro.
This series of LOTR decks has been awesome 👏🏻
The way been way playing Aragorn in this game makes want to build an Aragorn deck now!
Archaeomancers map really putting on some work here (did I say this right? Not sure about the English ;) )
another great episode. Love this weekly show
Is there an episode where CGB is not the archenemy? 🤣
10:43 Thank you for assuming I know how to read italian
That Is spanish...
Blake was really on edge this game😂
cgb should be drawing 4 cards per ichor wellspring flicker becuase gandalf specifically says enters or leaves
And Ichor wellspring specifically says or is put into a graveyard from the battlefield. Exile and graveyard are different
only 2 cards with gandalf. ichor only triggers on enter or going to graveyard from battlefield. not put into exile.
I really hate to be that guy but once you place counters on the saga, it can not be respond to. It is triggered without using the stack then the effect goes on the stack. The saga is then sacrifice as part of the lore being placed when reached the last chapter.
505.4: Second, if the active player controls one or more Saga enchantments and it's the active player's precombat main phase, the active player puts a lore counter on each Saga they control. (See rule 714, "Saga Cards.") This turn-based action doesn't use the stack.
714.4: If the number of lore counters on a Saga permanent is greater than or equal to its final chapter number, and it isn't the source of a chapter ability that has triggered but not yet left the stack, that Saga's controller sacrifices it. This state-based action doesn't use the stack.
I was thinking on that, but I wasn't sure, thanks a lot.
I am fairly certain that this interaction does work. Putting a lore counter on a saga doesn't use the stack but the ability that triggers when a lore counter is added does. 714.4 states "and it isn't the source of a chapter ability that has triggered but not yet left the stack'" as a condition for sacrificing the saga in addition to placing the last lore counter. In the case of this game the trigger was still on the stack so the second statement wouldn't be true. As a result I believe this interaction should work as it was played.
OP is wrong. They played this correctly. This interaction is what lets you tap Urza’s Saga for mana before it’s sacrificed to the 3rd ability.
Quoting the rule that explains why it works to say that it doesn't work is certainly a choice.
@@Kestral287well it does mean in other words that as long as the saga gets it last or more lore counter and the last chapter ability doesn't put anything on the stack, the player who controls it sacrifices it. Like ECD when there is no creature to target, the saga puts nothing on the stack and it gets sacrificed with no response possible.
So yeah it explains why it works. If the last chapter ability is something that gets on the stack, the players can respond to it.
Is he playing the leave the battlefield correctly? The card doesn’t say when it dies Gandalf says when it leaves. Dying and leaving are different aren’t they?
dying is just shorthand for creatures going from BF to GY. They still leave the battlefield.
They're different in the sense that leaves is broader; a card can leave the battlefield and not die. But dying is intrinsically leaving the battlefield.
@@Kestral287 All i know is gandalf works with dying. In arena, when shelob creates a solemn simulacrum token, the token will still draw when sac'd, even though it specifies dying, but is not a creature.
@@protein5207 Correct. As noted, dying just means moving to from battlefield to graveyars
I love how ben has slowly done away with the custom..
Blake should have had another angel from the boon no?
Unlike Cody Rhodes, Blake was able to Finish the Story. Congrats Blake!
I got excited when Shea dropped Ayara, it's my favorite commander to use right now on Arena.....hint hint @cgb
Gandalf loves them KCI combos.
I understand *why* Ben would want to lose the costume. But I'm still disappointed.
hahaha why Blake?! why?! hahahhaa you underestimated Lauren so much! I mean, if you think about it, you have in two consecutive turns the options to exile her, it would be so beneficial to you, cause she destroys enchantments on ETB and with Gandalf was so powerful against you hahaha, I know that the ring is dangerous and also Gandalf, but at the same time, I think your priority should have been different hahahaha. Anyways, GG, it was so fun the whole game.
aaa or the Teleportation circle :P
“Look to the weast….”
lets fkng goooo A TOAST FOR THE SAGA GANG MA HOBBERS 😈
Cgb stealing sesame street bar I see you
I was just rooting for cgb the entire way it’s so hard to fight 3 people at the same time it was that way the entire game till he lost 😢
This why you play Dash hope JK
CGB loves to flash 😂
CGB's got bars lol
that dude looks like jonesy fortnite
And another one???
Nice!!
CovertGoGlue?
That was sweet.
CGB has seen Veggie Tales?
Vanilla Shea Ice
When is Blake going to stop trusting the editor?
This is a crappier version of a show that exists.... Cgb is as off as Joe bonamassa... Talented but probably has seen one up close
😀
unfun to see
3 players mob against one player...
It was 2 but ok
He has "the curse of the one in the best of one"
To be fair he was the problem at least at the end. If he untapped again he would have won the mob rule saved the gsme
All about threat assessment. They had to or just lose. Thats what makes a good game, knowing what the threats are. The pieces that just end or take over games. If they wanted to play a 20 minute game.. yeah let cgb go off on that value train.
I already know Ben's decks because hes not good at magic. All his decks are just good stuff in their respective colors with boring tired ass unoriginal combos. Please stop putting him on the show. Why don't more people notice this?
This comment is wrong on several levels.
But why does it really matter ?
LOL I built that deck
Go to hell
Sorry, Ben is the best player on the show. He never complains, plays fun decks, and usually is a problem for the table. He would make any playgroup better
Cgb stealing sesame street bar I see you
CovertGoGlue?