I forgot to put a score graphic in :( Here's the score: Plentiful Minions 10/10 Useful Minions 10/10 Permanent Minions 10/10 Minion Diversity 5/10 Total Score 8.75/10 Squishy Caster: Yes Craftable Minions: No Requires Corpses: Yes Immersive: Maybe
Aaron with ActionRPG did a corpse explosion focused Necro build that also had minions in it. And the minions were also useful. the golum and reapers would generate corpses when they fight.
@@Endgunner That's because I was only able to have initially 3, then it increased to 4 at level 5 or something, and then finally with the book of the dead thing I was able to have 5.
I'm just wondering why they so heavily favor skeletons. Why not some ghosts? The skeleton mages could have been ghosts instead, and the only change needed is to make them transparent and ghostly white, and there you go. Now it's not just skeletons this, and skeletons that anymore. That said, this does look nice. I kinda like the skeletons having this ghostly glow to them, though they could maybe tone it down a bit. I'm guessing they wanted them to be easy to tell from enemy skeletons, which does sound like a good idea, it's just a matter of execution.
@@chebgonaz a ability to use corpse of monster and make them ally for a time ressurection I think it's the name. edit: revive is the name of the ability
Wolves and Ravens, I saw recently that you can upgrade the Wolves into bipedal version, not sure if there "Werewolves". Some summons are upgraded by special legendries, sadly I haven't seen all of them.
Totally agree on the skeletons lightning, they really feel out of place. The game did so good on the dark atmosphere part so maybe we get lucky on a design change by full launch. I also completely hate the way corpses look on the ground, it is such a Diablo 3 reminder or Immortal, which makes the game have an arcade look. The druid is indeed really nice on the shape-shifting part and he does summon wolves later on. So many possibilities with a new game like D4 yet they kind of limited summoning, so I'm glad i bought D2R to scratch the necromancy itch. As for other options, Grim Dawn or Last Epoch as you said do their job so well when it comes for us gamers that enjoy minion play 💀👿😁
Nice look in to the minion mechanics, i alwayis enjoy your outlook in sumooners since it fits mine as well, Also if you're able to, can you take a look at the game " boneraiser minions" it recently had a full release and i think this game matches most of your needs in minion mechanics, also the game itself is really easy to get into and chill/relax with, I reccomend it if you need to scrach that necromancy itch but don't want to get bothered with too much time investment or stress of time investment. Bonus: the game is really cheap for what it offeres...
We had the exact same thoughts on the minions. The whole "blue shiny" thing......just looks kinda stupid. It's not just reserved to the minions though, other objects such as the dropped health orbs/flasks look drastically oversized and almost visually offensive. I doesn't kill the class, but it also doesn't do it any favours. I strongly agree about the lack of customization or ability to build uniquely though. I personally have no desire for ranged minions, and usually prefer to have as few minions as possible, but to make the individual minion(s) as strong as possible. That's simply not an option here. You are very much forced to build in a certain way with only a small bit of room for preferences. I always find it sucks when you feel like you are playing a template, that everyone else also has to play. Allow some diversity in build types, forget about excessive balancing.
I agree, yeah. I think you should look into Last Epoch if you haven't already. That game lets you really play with the abilities in ways I've never seen before. You can reduce minion quantity for less minions but bigger and stronger minions, and vice versa, as well as do things like choose to sacrifice all warriors for more mages, or all mages for more warriors, that kind of thing. Very interesting game. Disclaimer: it is changing all the time, so specifics may change slightly
@@chebgonaz Yer it's been on my radar for a while. I'm very tempted to pick it up at some point, but just letting it continue with it's development for now. Looks promising.
I forgot to put a score graphic in :( Here's the score:
Plentiful Minions 10/10
Useful Minions 10/10
Permanent Minions 10/10
Minion Diversity 5/10
Total Score 8.75/10
Squishy Caster: Yes
Craftable Minions: No
Requires Corpses: Yes
Immersive: Maybe
You can have more then 5 of each skeleton if you get certain legendary items.
Good to know, thanks
Nice video as always! I do wish they kept the animate dead ability in though
Thank you
Aaron with ActionRPG did a corpse explosion focused Necro build that also had minions in it. And the minions were also useful. the golum and reapers would generate corpses when they fight.
Yeah the reapers seem specially designed for a corpse explosion build with how they provide extra corpses
I very much agree about the shapeshifting. I wish they’d carry over that fluid shifting with abilities in WoW druids.
Yeah, WoW is the opposite of this. It had some pros too
what game are you saying at 3:07 I played it back 10 times and all I can get is last deepok which is not a thing
Last Epoch
@@chebgonaz thank you! You keep me informed on all games necro so thanks for fighting the good fight
@@kamrenwood6793 You're welcome. I have some videos on Last Epoch too
0:44 You are able to have 4 skirmishers.
I had 5 during my playthrough with the book of the dead perk.
@@chebgonaz Yes, but you said at the start (Timestamp.) that you have 3.
@@Endgunner That's because I was only able to have initially 3, then it increased to 4 at level 5 or something, and then finally with the book of the dead thing I was able to have 5.
@@chebgonaz you start with 4, I promise. I know is a used the corpses I got from killing wargs to get 4 in the starting location.
@@Endgunner alright, guess I misremembered
I'm just wondering why they so heavily favor skeletons. Why not some ghosts? The skeleton mages could have been ghosts instead, and the only change needed is to make them transparent and ghostly white, and there you go. Now it's not just skeletons this, and skeletons that anymore.
That said, this does look nice. I kinda like the skeletons having this ghostly glow to them, though they could maybe tone it down a bit. I'm guessing they wanted them to be easy to tell from enemy skeletons, which does sound like a good idea, it's just a matter of execution.
Yeah also a matter of taste
For example, I only like skeletons because they look more like golems than a living corpse.
Kinda dislike the fact that Rez (monster ally) didn't make a return from 2 and 3
I don't remember Rez. Who was that?
@@chebgonaz a ability to use corpse of monster and make them ally for a time ressurection I think it's the name. edit: revive is the name of the ability
@@deranemira7230 ah right gotcha. I thought you were talking about some kind of creature called Rez or a Rez.
Druid can have wolves as summons.
Really? Damn that's nice. I looked but couldn't see it. It must be later on right?
@@chebgonaz I assume, didn't play druid. Just saw a lot of them with wolves. I think you start out only able to have 2 though.
@@Endgunner I started out with none :(
@@chebgonaz Well not form the start, whenever you unlock them.
Wolves and Ravens, I saw recently that you can upgrade the Wolves into bipedal version, not sure if there "Werewolves". Some summons are upgraded by special legendries, sadly I haven't seen all of them.
Totally agree on the skeletons lightning, they really feel out of place. The game did so good on the dark atmosphere part so maybe we get lucky on a design change by full launch. I also completely hate the way corpses look on the ground, it is such a Diablo 3 reminder or Immortal, which makes the game have an arcade look.
The druid is indeed really nice on the shape-shifting part and he does summon wolves later on.
So many possibilities with a new game like D4 yet they kind of limited summoning, so I'm glad i bought D2R to scratch the necromancy itch.
As for other options, Grim Dawn or Last Epoch as you said do their job so well when it comes for us gamers that enjoy minion play 💀👿😁
Definitely. I'm currently playing some Grim Dawn again at the moment and I kinda forgot how good that game is.
Nice look in to the minion mechanics, i alwayis enjoy your outlook in sumooners since it fits mine as well,
Also if you're able to, can you take a look at the game " boneraiser minions" it recently had a full release and i think this game matches most of your needs in minion mechanics, also the game itself is really easy to get into and chill/relax with,
I reccomend it if you need to scrach that necromancy itch but don't want to get bothered with too much time investment or stress of time investment.
Bonus: the game is really cheap for what it offeres...
Thank you, yeah I hope to check that one out sometime
We had the exact same thoughts on the minions. The whole "blue shiny" thing......just looks kinda stupid. It's not just reserved to the minions though, other objects such as the dropped health orbs/flasks look drastically oversized and almost visually offensive. I doesn't kill the class, but it also doesn't do it any favours.
I strongly agree about the lack of customization or ability to build uniquely though. I personally have no desire for ranged minions, and usually prefer to have as few minions as possible, but to make the individual minion(s) as strong as possible. That's simply not an option here. You are very much forced to build in a certain way with only a small bit of room for preferences.
I always find it sucks when you feel like you are playing a template, that everyone else also has to play. Allow some diversity in build types, forget about excessive balancing.
I agree, yeah. I think you should look into Last Epoch if you haven't already. That game lets you really play with the abilities in ways I've never seen before. You can reduce minion quantity for less minions but bigger and stronger minions, and vice versa, as well as do things like choose to sacrifice all warriors for more mages, or all mages for more warriors, that kind of thing. Very interesting game. Disclaimer: it is changing all the time, so specifics may change slightly
@@chebgonaz Yer it's been on my radar for a while. I'm very tempted to pick it up at some point, but just letting it continue with it's development for now. Looks promising.
You can choose to sacrifice your mages to get a permanent buff instead. This will not get you more warriors though.
Diablo 3 had skeleton archers
I couldn't stomach Diablo 3
There are actually skeletal archers in Diablo 3, as a Rune for the Mages. Its actually a pretty good rune too.
Damn, I didn't know. Ty for the info