OMG I HAVE BEEN SO UPSET AS TO WHY MY F NATURAL ON THE A STRING WAS DOING THIS. DRIVING ME CRAZY!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS INFORMATION. Sorry for all caps, but you have no idea how frustrated I've been. I haven't even been wanting to play music with an F natural in them because of that sound. I'm so happy I found this information.
My two cellos have similar wolf tones. One cello fixed wolf tone with 11g New Harmony model, but my other cello couldn’t fix its wolf, even with 13g NH which was killing my beautiful cello’s tone. Ended up buying two Krentz Modulators which eliminated the wolf tones and didn’t muffle either cellos’ tones. Krentz modulators are expensive, but they work great and are fine-tunable.
I'd still say the lupus ex is best wolf eliminator, but sadly it needs to be glued to cello of cello, Which is why krentz always steals my number one place because it's so user friendly and can be moved... What's sad is how few cellist know of the krentz or Lupus ex options My cello is an antique student cello which sounded nicer than the 100k ,cellos ive tried, it was an amazing cello, with best wood sound ever, but with its age, and unique shape, a mighty wolf that muffled the f natural on C, and only rumbled on G string 4th position, Nothing worked. Until the krentz. It fixed all wolves, and enhanced my cello Cant praise it enough.
I recommend the Krentz wolf eliminator which is priced at $150 US. Yes, it’s a little expensive for much cheaper options but this wolf eliminator improves the sound of your cello dramatically, in my opinion. Just thought I’d mention it for people who don’t already have or know about it
Agreed I made that comment an hour before yours ...I'd also suggest the lupus ex ... but most violin shops won't have them on hand or know how to glue them into the belly of the cello. Lupus ex wolf eliminator I think works better than any but downside is its glued to belly of cello, Krentz is superior do to it's easy movement and that can't be beat. Lupus ex is 100-115, plus cost shop might charge you So I agree 150 is worth it . Antique cellos or freshly made cellos the brass wont help, it steals your sound even if you're unaware. I like krentz because it enhances tone and again. Moving it, since many wolf's can change depending on strings or weather .
I had bought a master series eastman and the wolf note on that was horrible.. After speaking to my local Luthier I was going to get one of the E-harmony wolf elimators like yourself but they convinced me to try one of the internal ones.. I took them the cello and just like the Krentz one they adjusted it and found the exact spot on the front which was causing the wolf.. Once they knew the exact spot they then inserted this 'thing' through the F hole and then glued it into place.. I much prefered this as for a 'looks' point of view I don't have anything on the strings nor visible on the body and I'm pleased to say my Wolf has been tamed...
Hey Jonathan this is a bit random but, how tall are you? I am trying to figure out how much endpin is sufficient for me and I don't seem comfortable when sitting.
Be careful when placing your wolf eliminator. The quality of the D string is going to be affected negatively, causing it to sound nasal or choked. You should demonstrate what your D string sounds like now that you've put that huge wolfee on the G. A 9gram wolfee is usually sufficient for most full size instruments. Start with it close to the bridge. on your G string. Bow your OPEN D string, and slowly move the wolfee down, bit by bit. Your D will go from nasal to LOUD, then it will sound good again. This will be somewhere south of the bridge, maybe an inch or so, but depends on the cello. Once your D sounds ok, go back to your F/F# range on your G and see if the wolf is better. Then try the F/F# on the D; it should be either gone or very manageable. If your wolf is near G, G# or even A (very typical of fractional instruments) how it will manifest is as a VERY loud open A. Like you are playing a scale, c, d, e, f, g AAAAAAA. You will have a tougher time taming it if it is close to A, and it really needs the sound post to be pulled outboard of the typical location to help control it. Also, do not obsess over your wolf, constantly trying to find it and play it. It's there. If your instrument is decent, it will have a wolf. Tame it best you can, then work on your technique to work around it. If your instrument just has a gnarly wolf that the wolfee wont tame, an internal, magnetic wolf resonator usually does that trick, but you really need someone who knows how to find the sweet spot to place them. Taming a wolf can be a very frustrating experience for a beginning cellist.
Id say if ao doesnt have a wolf, is a bad sign, a well set up, good quality cello will have a wolf, luthier told me they sometimes disappear after a hundred years lol, no joke, he says theres recorded document's of certain cellos losing their wolves, not moving, losing, sadly this takes a stupid amount of time to wood to stop it
Mine is the same , right at F#. My luthier put a tiny piece of brass on the G string, and it’s still there. Perhaps if I go bigger like yours , it may go then ? Thanks again for great lessons.
You have to move the Wolf Eliminator (Dampener) up and down the g string, only sightly, If you put it too close to the bridge, the Open D String will have a very muted puffy-like sound. If the wolf is not gone, move the Dampener a little (just a tiny push)
OMG I HAVE BEEN SO UPSET AS TO WHY MY F NATURAL ON THE A STRING WAS DOING THIS. DRIVING ME CRAZY!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS INFORMATION. Sorry for all caps, but you have no idea how frustrated I've been. I haven't even been wanting to play music with an F natural in them because of that sound. I'm so happy I found this information.
Now I know it's not me making horrible sound when I play the E note on the D string, its the damn wolf.
My two cellos have similar wolf tones. One cello fixed wolf tone with 11g New Harmony model, but my other cello couldn’t fix its wolf, even with 13g NH which was killing my beautiful cello’s tone. Ended up buying two Krentz Modulators which eliminated the wolf tones and didn’t muffle either cellos’ tones. Krentz modulators are expensive, but they work great and are fine-tunable.
I'd still say the lupus ex is best wolf eliminator, but sadly it needs to be glued to cello of cello,
Which is why krentz always steals my number one place because it's so user friendly and can be moved...
What's sad is how few cellist know of the krentz or Lupus ex options
My cello is an antique student cello which sounded nicer than the 100k ,cellos ive tried, it was an amazing cello, with best wood sound ever, but with its age, and unique shape, a mighty wolf that muffled the f natural on C, and only rumbled on G string 4th position,
Nothing worked. Until the krentz. It fixed all wolves, and enhanced my cello
Cant praise it enough.
Hi Jonathan! I've just bought a wolf tone eliminator and it's quite useful! Thank you again for your videos!
Omg! Thank you! I was wondering what that was. I just assumed that happened because I was bowing badly.
I recommend the Krentz wolf eliminator which is priced at $150 US. Yes, it’s a little expensive for much cheaper options but this wolf eliminator improves the sound of your cello dramatically, in my opinion. Just thought I’d mention it for people who don’t already have or know about it
Agreed I made that comment an hour before yours ...I'd also suggest the lupus ex ... but most violin shops won't have them on hand or know how to glue them into the belly of the cello.
Lupus ex wolf eliminator I think works better than any but downside is its glued to belly of cello,
Krentz is superior do to it's easy movement and that can't be beat.
Lupus ex is 100-115, plus cost shop might charge you
So I agree 150 is worth it .
Antique cellos or freshly made cellos the brass wont help, it steals your sound even if you're unaware.
I like krentz because it enhances tone and again. Moving it, since many wolf's can change depending on strings or weather .
I had bought a master series eastman and the wolf note on that was horrible.. After speaking to my local Luthier I was going to get one of the E-harmony wolf elimators like yourself but they convinced me to try one of the internal ones.. I took them the cello and just like the Krentz one they adjusted it and found the exact spot on the front which was causing the wolf.. Once they knew the exact spot they then inserted this 'thing' through the F hole and then glued it into place.. I much prefered this as for a 'looks' point of view I don't have anything on the strings nor visible on the body and I'm pleased to say my Wolf has been tamed...
Thank you for explaining! Seems i have it on F. Not dissonant like yours but resonant
Do you have a link to recommended product?
I don’t really notice the wolf tone on my G string, but more on my D string. Would I put the eliminator on my D string then?
Try it on the G first, then if your dampener works more effective on your D, then go ahead.
Wow! I can’t believe how huge a difference that made!
Hey Jonathan this is a bit random but, how tall are you? I am trying to figure out how much endpin is sufficient for me and I don't seem comfortable when sitting.
Thanks so much, I'll do the same on my cello which has the same problem.
glad to help
My wolf tone is also f sharp,I bought a 9 grams😄
Be careful when placing your wolf eliminator. The quality of the D string is going to be affected negatively, causing it to sound nasal or choked. You should demonstrate what your D string sounds like now that you've put that huge wolfee on the G. A 9gram wolfee is usually sufficient for most full size instruments. Start with it close to the bridge. on your G string. Bow your OPEN D string, and slowly move the wolfee down, bit by bit. Your D will go from nasal to LOUD, then it will sound good again. This will be somewhere south of the bridge, maybe an inch or so, but depends on the cello. Once your D sounds ok, go back to your F/F# range on your G and see if the wolf is better. Then try the F/F# on the D; it should be either gone or very manageable.
If your wolf is near G, G# or even A (very typical of fractional instruments) how it will manifest is as a VERY loud open A. Like you are playing a scale, c, d, e, f, g AAAAAAA. You will have a tougher time taming it if it is close to A, and it really needs the sound post to be pulled outboard of the typical location to help control it.
Also, do not obsess over your wolf, constantly trying to find it and play it. It's there. If your instrument is decent, it will have a wolf. Tame it best you can, then work on your technique to work around it. If your instrument just has a gnarly wolf that the wolfee wont tame, an internal, magnetic wolf resonator usually does that trick, but you really need someone who knows how to find the sweet spot to place them. Taming a wolf can be a very frustrating experience for a beginning cellist.
Id say if ao doesnt have a wolf, is a bad sign, a well set up, good quality cello will have a wolf, luthier told me they sometimes disappear after a hundred years lol, no joke, he says theres recorded document's of certain cellos losing their wolves, not moving, losing, sadly this takes a stupid amount of time to wood to stop it
The B1 on my 7 strings with baritone scale lengths do this too. And it’s terrible. Only solution appears to be heavier strings
Mine is the same , right at F#. My luthier put a tiny piece of brass on the G string, and it’s still there. Perhaps if I go bigger like yours , it may go then ?
Thanks again for great lessons.
You have to move the Wolf Eliminator (Dampener) up and down the g string, only sightly, If you put it too close to the bridge, the Open D String will have a very muted puffy-like sound. If the wolf is not gone, move the Dampener a little (just a tiny push)
I heard a wolf tone eliminator slightly decreases the volume of the string it’s applied to. Is that true?
Oi estou gostando muito de seus vídeos , e estou estudando por eles estão me ajudando muito
Thank you so much !
Mine is C# on the G string. For the moment I play around it...
TY
I need one of those.. where can I get them?
Talk to your luthier
the wolf tone on my cello is on the c string - e and f notes, AND on the D string E note, do I need two dampeners?
yes
MY B FLAT IS DOING THIS ON MY C STRING AND IT IS SO ANNOYING
With the change in weather, your Wolf tone can also change
That’s what happened to mine on the G string.
este é seu novo cello?
which is the brand of the wolf tone eliminator??
Either Krentz or André Theunis
Every cello is unqiue, i know one where a krentz doesnt work but a new harmony does
What weight for my 3/4 size ? The 9g you mentioned.
Ooo I just rubber banded some bits of brass I have. Much better ty.
Meu Violoncelo esta com um lobo , interessante chegar seu vídeo. Tudo tem tempo certo para mexer.
this bruddas waaved
How can you not say that you just moved it?
probably did a little
hate those brass ones, waste, get a lupus ex, or a krentz magnet.
Come out ye black and tans, come and fight me like a man
hehe